Rudy Giuliani joins Russell Brand at the Republican National Convention to discuss his life as a public figure and how he s managed to navigate the scrutiny and criticism that comes with being at the heart of a culture that values and reveres a certain kind of person. He also discusses his family life and how his father helped shape him into the man he is today, and the lessons he s learned from his father, a man who served time in prison for crimes such as robbery, burglary and theft. Russell Brand is a comedian, actor, writer, and podcaster. He is the host of the podcast Stay Free With Russell Brand and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS and NPR. He s also the author of the book Leadership: A Guide to a Leader s Life in the 21st Century, a memoir about his experience as a lawyer and prosecutor, and a keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2016, where he spoke on the importance of a balanced life and a balanced mind, as well as his advice to young men and women on how to deal with the pressures of public scrutiny and the pressure to be a leader in a world where everyone wants to be noticed. and everyone wants you to be good at it all, even if you re not great at it yet you don t have all the things you think you need to have it all. in order to be great at everything you want to do it to be the best you can do it all at the same time, and in the best way possible in this episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand. Stay Free, Stay Free in the Realest way possible, Russell Brand on Stay Free In The Realest Way, by Russell Brand, . and much more! Thank you for tuning in, and Good Morning America, and God bless you, God Bless You, God bless You, Blessings, and Happy New Year, and See Ya, Good Luck, and Keep Ya, Bless You All, Love Ya, Bye Bye, Bye, See You Soon, Love, Mr. & Good Morning, - Russell - Eternally, Eternally Thank You, Eternally - - P.S. -Isaac, DADDY - Ollie, EJ, Isaac, Dan Bongino, R.A. and Isaac, E.J., R.J. & K. B.
00:06:20.000Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand, and indeed what a special day it is at the RNC.
00:06:25.000Before I tell you who my guest is, you're watching me now streaming live on Rumble from what I'm sort of increasingly forced to accept as the Bongino Suite.
00:07:56.000So, how have you adjusted as being a public figure that's experienced so much admiration to the... I'm aware of the condemnation, the criticism, the attacks, and as you mentioned, in Democrat America, the songs are songs of mocking and condemnation.
00:08:10.000How does that feel just as a human and as a man?
00:08:13.000I guess, Russell, I'm very fortunate that my parents brought me up in the circumstances in which I was raised.
00:08:25.000I expect great achievement for myself because my mother told me, well, like when I would come home from school and I had an A, my mother said, did other kids get A plus?
00:08:35.000I said, yeah, next time it better be an A plus.
00:08:38.000So my mother used to say, I'm doing that because I know how much talent you have.
00:08:43.000And then she also taught me, just because you're smart or just because you're better at something than someone else, it doesn't make you any better as a person because they have other talents and always remain balanced.
00:08:56.000And sure, when you have great success, there are times, for me, I think there are times, sometimes you make more mistakes because you think you're infallible.
00:10:03.000In the United States for, you know, for a robbery.
00:10:06.000And it was maybe 15 years before I was born.
00:10:09.000So you're like a working class Italian... My family, you would describe very much as lower middle class.
00:10:17.000We were, I wouldn't say we were poor, but we were pretty close, we were closer to poor than rich, that's for sure.
00:10:22.000I want to ask this while it's... But hard working and never without.
00:10:25.000While I recognize that that kind of your father's pugilism and potentially his ability to withstand whatever horrors the incarcerated must always know has clearly afforded you a certain robustness.
00:10:39.000I wonder how you feel when, for example, if we take the issue of 9-11.
00:10:44.000At that time, there was a kind of a simple available idea.
00:10:47.000America was under attack, there were assailants, and there was a requirement for war.
00:10:52.000You must be aware of the media space that you're in, Rudy.
00:10:55.000I know you have your own YouTube channel that's very successful, and I know that you're infatuated with the kit.
00:11:00.000Now, in this world, people are extremely discerning when it comes to accepting narratives.
00:11:06.000Now, since 9-11, of course, you know, relatively contemporaneously, someone like Michael Moore, who I know will be detested by the viewers, made the film Fahrenheit 9-11.
00:11:16.000It's been sort of demonstrated that there were connections between the Bush family and the Saudi Arabian royal family, but now the world, this space, is completely alive with the idea that there were some kind of awareness and deep state involvement.
00:11:30.000Now I just heard how sensitively Dan Bongino handled the idea that the SS failure was somehow an inside job.
00:11:39.000You know, her as a professional and devoted former member of those services.
00:11:44.000As a former mayor of New York and a man who has so much power, has had at different points such power within government, how do you feel about these kind of peripheral ideas about conspiracy, government corruption, deep state involvement and collaboration?
00:11:59.000How does that feel and how do you It's a fascinating question because slight change in my outlook on it.
00:12:09.000So if you were to question me about these things, I don't know, maybe five, six years ago, I was the biggest rejector of conspiracy theory, either on the right or left.
00:12:25.000I always wanted... Like, when I put out the story of Biden's criminality, and I was the first to do it, I interviewed all the Ukrainian witnesses.
00:12:38.000And so, the short answer is, normally I would have rejected all of these theories.
00:12:46.000I think we were all crazy to engage in conspiracy theories.
00:12:50.000I think both Donald Trump and I together, learned together, that the government is far worse than we thought.
00:12:56.000The deep state is deeper than you can see down, right?
00:13:02.000I probably was more aware of it than he was when he came into office, but it's way beyond what I thought.
00:13:09.000So there is probably no conspiracy now that I would reject out of hand.
00:13:14.000There's also none that I would accept without I think of the conspiracies as I did when I investigated crime, which is what I did for more of my life than anything else, as hypotheticals.
00:13:30.000You look at the hypotheticals on the Kennedy assassination.
00:13:35.000O'Reilly wrote a really nice book about this, pretty much the way I look at it.
00:13:39.000Here are the four or five people with a motive.
00:14:01.000You can call them circumstantial, you can call them coincidences, that point to an incredible breakdown.
00:14:08.000And people search for a reason for a breakdown like that.
00:14:12.000So, unless this is investigated really thoroughly, people are going to be doing conspiracy theories on this 40 years from now.
00:14:19.000But you might notice that I'm wearing the Secret Service pin right here.
00:14:24.000I put it on this morning, not for the upper level of the Secret Service, because I know those poor men and women of the Secret Service are walking around with their heads down.
00:14:56.000I did the after-action report on what the Secret Service did wrong.
00:15:00.000And then I guarded For eight years, two presidents when they came to New York.
00:15:06.000In New York, I think Dan would tell you this, the New York City Police Department plays as big a role as the Secret Service.
00:15:13.000You were missing the New York City Police Department in Butler County.
00:15:19.000When I was mayor, we were 41,000 and the Secret Service is about 12,000.
00:15:24.000So, we have the luxury of covering everything, and we do.
00:15:29.000I've got quite a lot of questions, Rudy.
00:15:32.000Now, there's a few things I want to cover.
00:15:35.000You've already mentioned that you have a particular tenacity, an ability to, when you know, you said that your mother endowed you with this quality, if you know you are right, you hold on to it.
00:15:45.000There's a sort of a complexity, though, because we know that dealing with law, whilst on one level it's about objectivity, it's also about narrative.
00:15:55.000It's about creating a compelling story with available evidence.
00:16:01.000And in inducing inquiry and doubt into counter-narratives.
00:16:04.000One of the challenges I think we have now is the way that media functions so quickly is with, for example, the recent events in Butler, the immersion and availability of Why was the ladder up there?
00:16:16.000Why was the periphery, the roof slanted?
00:16:19.000How do you imagine there can ever be, again, a kind of rigid control of information?
00:16:26.000And I wonder how you, while deploying the skills and experience of a lawyer, counterbalance the tenacity, the will to impose a desired outcome, if you're in the service of a client, for example.
00:16:38.000With the likelihood that truth is diverse and diffuse in some instances.
00:16:44.000I'm not saying that there's no such thing as right or wrong or God.
00:16:48.000But I'm saying that when it comes to something like 9-11 or the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, there are numerous narratives that might be rendered and the most skilled narrators will likely win.
00:17:00.000Indeed, we are in the middle of a war of narration.
00:17:02.000The old gatekeepers and the old authorities are dying.
00:17:06.000They are unable to cope with the new ability to create narratives.
00:17:09.000How do we ensure that strong narratives are marshaled correctly by the right minds?
00:18:48.000The problem that we have is if you switch the facts and you set up all the same facts and we shot Somebody shot and almost killed Biden and there were a whole bunch of Trump administration people around at the time guarding him We'd be at We'd probably be in an arrest already Certainly searches Because they don't they don't operate honestly and the country is really in
00:19:24.000Very fortunate that it happened the other way because we're not like that.
00:19:28.000So what I'll do with this is I'll keep gathering facts and see if I can come to a conclusion about it.
00:19:37.000I always use the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
00:19:40.000And if I can't, then I'll give both sides and let people decide.
00:19:45.000Like, I've been doing that with the Kennedy assassination since the beginning.
00:19:49.000I still don't have a one theory that I Could definitively buy, but I can give you the evidence for all of them.
00:20:00.000Secretly, I have one that I like better than others.
00:20:23.000The way I didn't accept, although of course the left doesn't, Biden's criminality.
00:20:29.000Now I have Biden's criminality with so much evidence that it's beyond absurd.
00:20:36.000And it could be proven in any court, anywhere, if we had a fair court system.
00:20:41.000We're running three tracks simultaneously.
00:20:44.000On one hand, I'm still interested in the shifting perspective of 9-11, and I would contest that PSYOPs have been around for a lot longer than five years, and you yourself said they're in the hands of the communists 150 years, but of course many people believe that 9-11 was to a degree an engineered event.
00:21:01.000It's difficult to corroborate, and I know that in a conversation with a man such as you, with your pedigree and experience, It's not helpful to engage too fully in conjecture, but there are a huge number of people that have questions about Building 7 and controlled demolition and the various complex aspects of that event.
00:21:21.000And what it has done, like the Kennedy assassination, and even like the recent assassination attempt, is widened the fissure between the people of America and also the people of the world, if I may say as an English person.
00:21:33.000And the systems of authority and the systems of institutions that used to widely be referred to as democracy, and now we see that these have become somewhat intransigent institutions governed by deep state and permanent interests that have a relationship beyond the bureaucratic and national, it seems to me as an outsider, they also have a corporate and commercial component that is global, it appears to me.
00:21:57.000Do you think, though, as you just implied, that there is an obvious line, you said, like, you said, they, like, that the Democrats are sort of fundamentally and essentially distinct from the Republicans?
00:22:08.000Because, of course, when it was, you know, during the Iraq war, when your country and mine went under the terms of a falsehood, It was under a Republican administration.
00:22:18.000It was under that neocon incarnation of the Republican Party.
00:22:22.000And it seems to me that the potential for this level of corruption goes way beyond the sort of partisan divide of Republican and Democrat and seems to be what many people in this space call the uniparty.
00:22:34.000That most people, when they get sucked into this system, become corrupted by it.
00:22:38.000That the system almost demands it of you.
00:22:41.000First of all, that's a very good correction and a very good thing to remind people of because although you could very, very quickly divide this into Republican and Democrat, you have exceptions on both sides.
00:22:55.000So you are right that my side, also Republican side, has people that are corrupted.
00:23:07.000By the massive pressures toward corruption that happen to government officials the higher they go.
00:23:18.000It just so happens, and it may be a time in history, that the Democrat Party is the party in which it has spread much further.
00:23:27.000I mean, they've rotted from the top pretty deep.
00:23:32.000We have, you could say in their party, not their whole party, the upper level of their party is pretty close to systemically corrupt.
00:23:41.000The upper level of our party, I would say is mostly not, with exceptions.
00:25:40.000And I thought it was like a strange... I'm not sure they ever got that arrangement solid.
00:25:46.000You know, Bush selected him, probably on the recommendation of his father, to have an experienced hand with him because he had never run... He had run Texas, but he had never run the federal government.
00:25:59.000And I think Cheney thought and believed he had more power, well, either that he should have or that he had.
00:27:12.000Oh I'll never forget them hanging chads.
00:27:14.000Now it's much more about faulty voting machines and dominion.
00:27:18.000Tell me about, do you believe that election interference took place in the most recent election in 2020 and do you think that election interference and indeed election fraud is a possibility Particularly given the seemingly unassailable position of this party, the Republican Party movement, do you think that election interference is a genuine fear and a reality?
00:27:38.000And given your commitment to evidence-based inquiry, is there significant evidence for us to assert that it's a real problem?
00:27:48.000The answer to your questions are yes and yes.
00:27:57.000There was, without question, election interference in 2020.
00:28:00.000That I can base on about the solidest evidence that you can, and that is hundreds and hundreds of affidavits, interviews, video recordings, forensic tests, that if we had had a fair and open judiciary, Would have been allowed in court.
00:28:23.000Most of it I was able to put before state legislatures to make it a matter of history.
00:28:28.000When we were rejected to have a hearing in the Pennsylvania court, the president, I was his lawyer, his group of lawyers and the president decided that, yeah, they'll pursue the cases.
00:28:43.000But we're going to go before the state legislatures because I wanted and President Trump wanted To make sure, win or lose, we had a historic record of what happened, so it never happened again.
00:28:54.000Now I had probably, at that point, eight, nine hundred potential witnesses that were pressuring me to testify.
00:29:06.000So, I wanted to do something with all of this.
00:29:10.000So what I did was I convinced the legislature, the Republicans in Pennsylvania, the Republicans in Michigan, the Republicans in Arizona, and the Republicans in Georgia to hold hearings.
00:29:21.000And we presented our witnesses to them, and there's a record of all of that.
00:29:26.000So now when people go back and argue about it, we have actual testimony from people who say, for example, in Detroit, a very nice 68-year-old Indian American woman Who says she was taken out of her job as an engineer.
00:29:43.000She's brought in for training by the Democrat Party and she was taught how to take ballots that didn't appear to be real mail-in ballots because they weren't folded.
00:29:53.000And there was a whole group of registrations they had available and to pick a registration and put it next to the ballot.
00:30:02.000The registrations turned out to be people that had moved out of Detroit, preferably to another state, sometimes 20 years ago, but they kept the names in the file.
00:30:19.000Now, this didn't happen in Detroit, but it happened in states where 17-year-olds and 16-year-olds can get driver's licenses.
00:30:31.000So they would take driver's licenses, they'd turn it into a registration, and they'd register a person who was under the age of 18 because they'd never show up to vote.
00:30:43.000Because the real fear is you vote that person, the person shows up.
00:30:47.000So now you want the end result of it is the worst was in Pennsylvania.
00:30:51.000On election day, 17,000 people showed up in the city of Pittsburgh who had already voted.
00:30:59.000And I have a complete record of that, and all the evidence of that.
00:31:03.000And the chief witness who obtained that was a former CIA operative, a very professional person.
00:31:09.000I also have evidence from an exceptional lawyer, who when he was thrown out of the... When you were talking about the CHADs, I think if we remember that image, we remember they're poking the CHADs, and there's usually a person here and a person here.
00:33:27.000Every time they did a recount, if we were right, and there were 100,000 phony ballots in there, they were recounting the same 100,000 phony ballots that were put together like that woman said.
00:33:41.000And the fact that they would never let me see it, Prove to me that there was something wrong with it, because if you're accusing me of doing that, and my ballots are pristine, I say, Russell, look at them forever!
00:34:13.000Do you think I have any doubt that those 375,000 paper ballots are gone because they're incriminating?
00:34:19.000Because some of them were probably done by machines.
00:34:24.000We have evidence from witnesses, but not what you would call solid proof, like three witnesses, who say three blocks away from the arena in Fulton County, Georgia, where the big vote takes place, there's a small little factory And they were producing ballots there, because they didn't know how many they needed.
00:34:45.000And in some cases, they would actually use a machine, because they had to get it done quickly.
00:34:50.000So the machine put the X or cross on the name Biden, did not vote the rest of the ballot.
00:35:16.000I've never known detail like it, but I've got to tell you.
00:35:18.000When you're in New York, I'll take you to my little music room.
00:35:23.000I have it all filled I want to ask you this though.
00:35:26.000Rudy, if deception of that magnitude can be practiced, doesn't it in a sense undermine the entire process that we're currently undertaking?
00:35:35.000All of the giddy euphoria that surrounds this event and the presumed dissent of Donald Trump, it would appear according to your analysis could easily be undone by institutional electoral corruption.
00:35:47.000So what is going to prevent that according to your argument and definition?
00:35:53.000Since then and now, we have put together as many things as we could think of to stop it.
00:36:00.000The law in Georgia has been changed so that the absentee ballots, when they come in, are going to be examined already.
00:36:09.000And that's because we have a Republican legislature.
00:36:12.000And we have an enormous number of people now, volunteers, trained.
00:36:17.000Turning Point, Charlie Kirk's organization, has taken on this mission.
00:36:22.000They're going to focus just on Michigan.
00:36:25.000The good part is, it isn't the whole country.
00:37:41.000The New York court system is completely corrupted by the fact that it's dominated by the political clubs.
00:37:51.000Rudy, how can the... And those are the cities.
00:37:55.000When I heard the names of the cities where they stopped the counting, I was with Newt Gingrich, I went crazy.
00:38:02.000I said, damn it, they picked the most corrupt cities in America, because they're going to go before courts that say the present means you can be a potted plant, you don't have to say anything.
00:38:12.000They picked Philadelphia, an incredibly corrupt democratic city.
00:38:19.000Atlanta, Georgia, every other mayor goes to jail.
00:39:42.000But this, you believe, cannot be practiced again because of regulatory measures, including those induced by a turning point, have been put in place.
00:39:49.000Mr. Giuliani... Could I just say... Of course.
00:40:06.000Second election, I spent a million dollars on election integrity.
00:40:09.000And the people who did it said, we cut it in half.
00:40:12.000If you overcome 30,000 votes, you win.
00:40:14.000But I can show you 30,000 votes that were stolen.
00:40:17.000You know, the other side, though, think that the evil dwells solely in the domains of the Republicans, and they will point to recordings of Donald Trump saying, you've got to find me 10,000 votes.
00:40:29.000Would you say that that's just Yeah, yeah.
00:40:31.000vernacular rhetoric, Donald Trump, just find 10,000 votes.
00:40:34.000Do you know this tendency to regard the errors of your opponents in the most
00:40:40.000negative light and potentially the errors of your tribal allies in the best
00:40:44.000possible light, does that not contribute to this general sense of decay and
00:40:50.000decline that you must have experienced over the course of your time in various
00:40:56.000It does seem like a fully immersive corrupt system when I hear you describe it right down to the sort of smallest roles and the smallest courts everywhere, electoral interference, can't trust 9-11, can't trust the JFK assassination, can't trust the recent assassination attempt.
00:41:12.000Do you sometimes feel that That when you think of the simplicity of the messaging of your own mother that there might be sort of a spiritual pathway that is being neglected and negated throughout government because we've been caught up in this kind of vile partisanship.
00:41:39.000In all of that misattribution of motive and exaggeration, in that world, very, very crooked, very dishonest, very evil people operate.
00:41:53.000And therefore you have to have the ability to separate one from the other.
00:41:58.000Which means you have to be a person who's willing to sit back like we are with the Secret Service, listen to all the evidence, and don't get persuaded until it's just beyond any doubt.
00:42:10.000I'll give you an example of what that 50,000 votes that saying to Rosenberger, find me 50,000 votes.
00:42:17.000Donald Trump knew there were 200,000 Questionable votes in Georgia.
00:42:27.000Dead people who had voted, people from out of town who had voted, the ballots that I told you about that were printed after the election was over.
00:42:39.000He had a whole list of them, not just from me, from Peter Navarro, other sources as well.
00:42:46.000So when he said that, he was saying, You know there are two to three hundred thousand phony ballots.
00:42:56.000The guy on the other side knew it too.
00:42:59.000He had a report in his desk of all the irregularities in the election that wasn't discovered until a year and a half later with an FOIA request, which he hid.
00:43:09.000He had a report from his own people telling him how bad the election was and he never disclosed it.
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00:47:07.000Thank you, Jack, for being with us today.
00:47:09.000And thank you for your... You're so kind the way that you inquired about my wellness immediately.
00:47:15.000Thank you for being so human in this extraordinary overstimulating environment at this very, very heightened time when there's a sort of a lot of sense that we're...
00:47:24.000There's euphoria and excitement because it seems like the electoral victory is a foregone conclusion due to the extraordinary events of recent days.
00:47:33.000I don't know that I would agree with that.
00:49:32.000However, the other side, the regime, the establishment, they have a lot of institutional power.
00:49:39.000And that institutional power will still be a challenge to overcome, even with the wind behind your sails and even with the momentum and even with the power of story.
00:49:49.000And you're a storyteller, so you know that.
00:49:51.000But it's still going to be, you know, this this this this rock and a hard place kind of situation.
00:49:56.000Yeah, I recognize that, of course, the power of narrative.
00:49:58.000And of course, it would be naive now not to be alert to the potential of even the most extraordinary obstacles, because In the immediate aftermath of an event, because we consume so much news and information, sometimes it can sound hyperbolic to imagine that you are actually in the midst of real history.
00:50:19.000But I'm now just getting the sense of the deep significance of what has just happened and what might be about to happen.
00:50:27.000Now, I obviously come from a very different political and cultural, I imagine, perspective from you, other than I'm virulently Anti-establishment, extremely pro-freedom, deeply cynical and suspicious about the nature of power and its ability to coalesce around corrupt forces and institutions.
00:50:46.000So I have, you know, my own cynicism about all forms of party politics just accrued from a lifetime of witnessing corruption after corruption, lie after lie, deception after deception.
00:50:58.000Corruption in politics and lies and deception?
00:51:03.000Did you know, for example, number one, the good guys have won every war, every politician has been great, and every time the CIA has investigated itself, it has not found any wrongdoing?
00:51:17.000It's very difficult, isn't it, for me at least, to kind of forgive the term, get it up.
00:51:22.000Or what amounts to an institution that's got such long entrenched ties to power and to corporatism, if not the kind of nefarious globalism and bureaucratic power that terrifies me more than any other form of tyranny.
00:51:37.000The kind of tyranny that I think is being augured in the name of compassion.
00:51:42.000The kind of citizen management that we're being confronted with is terrifying and unprecedented due to the nature of the technological revolution today.
00:52:09.000But when you say that the Democrat Party might be manoeuvring in order to put in a more appealing set of candidates... I don't know that they have one.
00:52:18.000But they certainly... I'm not quite sure that they have any because, you know, I look at their bench and I don't see a lot to like.
00:52:26.000But I do see a lot of formidable opponents out there, I do.
00:52:30.000Who would make you... Who would give you consternation?
00:52:33.000Well, so... It's the... It's not so much the candidates themselves.
00:52:39.000So Kamala Harris, I don't think she's formidable.
00:52:41.000But she will have an establishment behind her.
00:52:45.000And the same way that you've seen... So...
00:52:47.000There's been this sense, unity has been, you know, kind of the watchword of this convention.
00:52:52.000We are uniting, reuniting around, reuniting around the people.
00:52:55.000And as you just said, by the way, the Republican ticket now is an anti-war ticket for the first time, I think, in American history, that you've got two anti-war candidates, the president and vice president, one of whom, by the way, served in the war, and came out of it saying, I have questions.
00:53:14.000Like myself, I came out of the military and I said, you know, I don't think that the things that we're doing line up with the goals that we espouse.
00:53:21.000And so, to see that repudiation of the corporatism and the globalism and the entrenched bureaucracy when Donald Trump made that pick of J.D.
00:53:44.000But when you say, like, anti-war candidates, you know, Trump and Vance, one of the hardest recalibrations for me is to look at the Republican Party as an anti-war party.
00:53:59.000And one of the things experientially that I've had is like that, you know, when I spend more time, I spend a lot of time in your beautiful country, and I spend a lot of time around service personnel.
00:54:07.000And one of the things that really started to shift my perspective was that people that are in the military have become anti-government and not necessarily anti-authoritarian.
00:54:16.000They come from hierarchies and chains of command and all that.
00:54:18.000But I'm talking about pretty high up people in the military.
00:54:24.000When I was a kid, if I'd criticised America or criticised the American wars, when I was in my 20s, when I'm like a drug addict and I'm crazy, I'm dressing up as Osama bin Laden, I'm anti-American corporate power.
00:54:35.000I would have assumed that Americans would say, don't disrespect the troops, don't disrespect the military.
00:54:40.000Now, I would never be disrespectful of anybody that is willing to sacrifice and serve.
00:54:44.000These are the highest goals and the highest values.
00:54:46.000But what I see is the people that are in those positions detest their government, detest authority, and are deeply suspicious.
00:54:51.000How have we found ourselves in this position, where people like you, a veteran, and people like J.D.
00:54:55.000Vance, and powerful figures like Donald Trump, with all of his former ties to Corporatism and commerce and power have become anti-war voices, and what does that tell us about the type of power that is ultimately controlling the current establishment?
00:55:09.000And, if I can just add one more thing to that great pile of language, how could we be sure that in power the Republican Party will be able to resist those forces?
00:55:17.000Because, you know, what would commonly be referred to as the military-industrial complex?
00:55:21.000This is the big fight that we find ourselves in, and Look, you had one key point that we just saw was that Donald Trump just stood up to them.
00:55:31.000This past weekend, all of the forces that you were talking about through the vessels of people like Senator Lindsey Graham was...
00:55:40.000Sitting on the plane next to Donald Trump, you can't choose J.D.
00:55:51.000He's going to turn America into the wrong place.
00:55:53.000And Donald Trump, as he flew here to Milwaukee, was listening to this person, powerful senator, direct ties to the military-industrial complex, J.D.
00:56:01.000Vance, with all of the industrial base of South Carolina behind him.
00:56:17.000Oh, it's entirely geographical because there's so much industry based in South Carolina there.
00:56:21.000And so, Virginia as well is another one.
00:56:24.000And so, they will then support the candidates through donations that represent their interests,
00:56:33.000not necessarily the interests of their state.
00:56:35.000And of course, Rupert Murdoch comes in, the entire Murdoch empire, which, by the way, is sort of emblematic of, in many ways, the old media.
00:56:45.000So, you know, you have your Fox News, you have your Wall Street Journal, you have New York Post, you have The Sun, you have Sky, et cetera, et cetera.
00:57:09.000You know, I can tell you though, how that's interpreted on the outside is like, this dude, Donald Trump, is so now certain of his power and ascendancy that he was empowered to pick a, inverted commas, MAGA candidate because he didn't have nobody to acquiesce or no requirement for alliances.
00:57:26.000Now you know that the GM, these kind of conferences, these kind of conventions, I've never been to one before, man.
00:57:41.000One thing is, is that it's like a... I don't mean this in a condemnatory way, because I've also met really, really lovely people, but I would say this.
00:57:47.000This is not to do with party political persuasions, because actually you could say the same thing about Hollywood or the Oscars or anything.
00:57:53.000These kind of institutions are like insidious vipers' nests of power plays.
00:58:03.000It's these types of institutions, they attract the sort of people who their greatest contribution is loyalty to the party, their greatest contribution, and this is on both sides, and so their greatest contribution is that.
00:58:15.000It's not something in their personal life, it's not something where they, you know, successful this, successful that, no, it's contributions to the party, and then the climbing, the climbing, the climbing, the back-dabbing, and all of that, and you can feel it, and you can see it.
00:59:28.000It was that JD was the favorite going into the weekend.
00:59:32.000Saturday happens, the assassination attempt, this very suspicious assassination attempt.
00:59:37.000Then The question comes up again on Sunday, Monday, because the forcing function is that the party must nominate formally a vice presidential candidate on the first day of the convention.
00:59:51.000So even in the midst of all of this going on, the rules are the rules.
00:59:57.000Now, you could have postponed, but that would, of course, cost how much money and everyone's flying in, etc.
01:00:03.000I believe the RFK play was a slight misdirection, on one hand, to say that because Trump, eternal showman that he is, knew that throwing more names into the mix would create these headlines, would create the buzz, would create the success.
01:00:21.000The Apprentice, he did it for 12 years.
01:00:24.000But I think the goal really is, and you're right, the leaked footage It dented but not as much the RFK relationship
01:00:32.000because Trump came across great, I think, in the footage itself.
01:01:32.000Um, excuse me, my next question, hold on, this is an important one.
01:01:35.000Oh yeah, you talked about the assassination sort of being suspicious.
01:01:37.000Of course at this point now, there's so many peculiar anomalies that seem like at points ineptitude.
01:01:45.000I think it's important to mention that there are rank and file members of the Secret Service, like any people in positions of that kind of authority.
01:01:51.000Dan Bongino was pointing out a little earlier, people are doing their best and people deserve respect.
01:01:55.000So when you say suspicious, do you mean suspicious in a JFK assassination type way?
01:02:00.000Do you mean suspicious as in, oh, this would be incredibly convenient to some of the most powerful interests in the world?
01:02:06.000Because when you were just saying that about vaccines, for a minute I allowed myself this gentle shudder that you could have someone in a position of presidential power and authority that is anti-Big Pharma and anti-military industrial complex, anti-some of the most powerful forces, and God knows what awful occultist forces ultimately operate them.
01:02:27.000I wonder, do you think that that is a reality, and what lengths would people go to to prevent that reality, and do you think the anomalies in the events in Butler point to it being in some way coordinated?
01:02:39.000Well, you know, and I've been thinking about this a lot, and I don't know if, and you know, as an investigator you have to say, okay, what's the evidence that we have?
01:02:49.000And I don't know that we have enough evidence yet.
01:02:55.000And this is someone... I have a military background.
01:02:58.000If someone's suspicious, you don't let them walk around with their rangefinder for three hours, scaling buildings directly adjacent to where the president's going to be speaking.
01:03:09.000Who's the man up there with the rangefinder?
01:03:51.000And we know, by the way, when you hold an outdoor event or an outdoor rally, something like that, the first question always comes up, where are all the high buildings?
01:04:20.000So, people might think that, okay, that's just an accoutrement, that's a decoration, that's, okay, it's an American rally, the president, it's Trump, he wants the American flag.
01:04:28.000And he's showing a tie with, you know, with farmers, so you throw some farm equipment there.
01:04:33.000But if you notice, those are strategically positioned for the potential ability to create what we call cover and concealment of a potential sniper.
01:04:43.000Now, there was some blockage of him, but from this specific building to Trump, There was no blockage.
01:04:51.000So he had the time to go and check, okay, this building, no, that's not going to work.
01:04:55.000There's a, there's, you know, there's a tractor in the way.
01:05:30.000Free speech platform on a free speech day at the RNC.
01:05:33.000So hypothetically, let's say you were one of these nefarious forces that wanted to do anything you could to stop Donald Trump's rise.
01:05:45.000Well, at first you think, okay, you know, we've got enough structural power, we've got enough ability through the mainstream media, we've got enough ability on the ground through our ballot processing machines to, you know, the printers are running, he'll be fine.
01:06:01.000And you lose your avatar of Joe Biden, the one man holding the Democrats precariously together.
01:06:08.000And then you think, okay, well, we'll get our guy, we'll get our man in as vice president, and we'll get our man in, or our woman in as vice president, and that'll be our way to derail it.
01:06:19.000And then you hear that that's not working either.
01:06:21.000And then you hear that he's shifting in another direction, and all of this happens within a 10-day period.
01:07:03.000Problems is now I like because I didn't go on X for a bunch of time, right?
01:07:09.000And so I still follow people from a long long while ago, so I'm still accessing all of the information Oh, yeah, you're like you're peeking behind the veil.
01:07:16.000Yeah, I can see the other side of it I exist in this space now free speech and Like anti-establishment spaces that are very much born out of the right or explicitly right-wing and conservative.
01:07:29.000But on the other side, and I must say, I don't know why I'm telling you this, vanity really, I preempted that you would see coming out of liberal establishment places vernacular around conspiracy, false flag events, this is staged, this couldn't happen.
01:07:45.000Because of the type of information age we live in, there is such an appetite to find ways of repurposing this event.
01:07:53.000You know, like you've seen people say inappropriate things, and then you've seen people that are usually free speech saying, hey, you shouldn't say inappropriate things.
01:07:59.000Do you see that sometimes there seems to be an odd moral void in our culture?
01:08:03.000No certainty when it comes to truth and authenticity.
01:09:12.000And that's what you're tapping into, because when you lose your moral core, and your moral core becomes, those people are standing in the way of my utopia.
01:09:27.000And it's unfortunate that if there is not a divine principle somehow guiding that you place a human being as the apex and then you are in a position to do God's work of determining this is why and killing like a God.
01:09:39.000This is why communism is always... And who do the communists come for first?
01:12:00.000It's a personalized supply of life-saving medications that all Americans, and I'm afraid it's only for Americans, Should have, including Amoxicillin, Z-Pak, you call it Z-Pak I guess, and Ivermectin, the old baddy Ivermectin, old Mr. Horse Paste himself.
01:12:16.000The medical emergency kit includes eight prescriptions and a guidebook for treating over 30 conditions like tick bites, oh I'm always getting those, I've got a dog.
01:12:25.000Infections, respiratory illness, emergencies are unpredictable, that's the point of them.
01:12:30.000Whether they're bird flu, monkeypox, come on, COVID again, or drugstore shortages.