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00:06:45.000 And I feel like there's a need to address those issues.

00:06:49.000 Young people right away.

00:06:55.000 And those things need to be addressed.

00:06:57.000 I feel like they should be addressed from a biblical perspective and also from an empathetic perspective.

00:07:02.000 And so that's pretty much what I charge the young people with is saying, look, don't rush into it.

00:07:07.000 Make sure you're ready and willing to make the sacrifice that's necessary to be married.

00:07:11.000 Don't you reckon that a lot of the hesitance and waiting around in the culture is where you sort of fall into them traps.

00:07:17.000 I can see why in Christian cultures, people get married at a younger age.

00:07:21.000 Firstly, because, you know, the sacrament of marriage is the only place where they're meant to be having sex. 0.62

00:07:27.000 And I recognize there's some urgency for young people once them hormones kick in.

00:07:32.000 Also, though, do you think that living in a cultural context that tells you that you can get what you want and that you should be pursuing ultimately your own desires acts as a kind of, I don't know, spur, Brandon?

00:07:44.000 Like that it's hard for people to be patient, to just be in rest and respite, particularly with the urgency of youth and particularly with a culture that's prompting them into continual action.

00:07:56.000 No, I think that in part what you said is 100% right because there is a desire from young people, especially.

00:08:04.000 You know, once upon a time, I was young and I hadn't been saved my whole life.

00:08:08.000 And there's this pursuit that people do want intimacy from the things you see on social media, from television shows, sex sales.

00:08:15.000 So all the time that we're being entertained, sex is being pushed.

00:08:20.000 And younger and younger and younger young people desire that level of intimacy, which in my opinion, pushes people to saying, look, I'd rather get married than to be at odds with God by fornicating and doing things like that.

00:08:32.000 So I think there is social pressure to pursue that.

00:08:36.000 But that's why I want to give young people a different perspective and say, you know, not avoid the social pressure, but diagnose the social pressure in a way that helps you make the right decision for your future and not be, I guess, compulsive about marriage and relationships.

00:08:53.000 Brandon, just yesterday, I heard someone say, you can't be intimate without being still, without being still, you know, like be still and know that I am God.

00:09:03.000 How do you think that people will achieve the kind of intimacy that you're describing without the peace and stillness that only comes in a relationship with our loving creator?

00:09:12.000 And also, mate, do you really, hand on heart, believe it's possible to replicate the kind of intimacy that people are chasing on the OnlyFans or with the pornography and the masturbation and with the endless hookups and the hookup acts?

00:09:25.000 Do you think that kind of intimacy can be achieved outside of sexual contact?

00:09:30.000 A thousand percent.

00:09:31.000 I mean, if everybody, here we go.

00:09:34.000 Hear me out.

00:09:35.000 If people are genuine about their experiences with being sexually active before marriage, hooking up in culture, the hookup culture, if you're honest about it, it leaves you feeling empty.

00:09:47.000 It leaves you feeling broken.

00:09:49.000 All of these broken relationships and people arguing and bickering.

00:09:53.000 All of those things are a result of not doing things the right way.

00:09:58.000 Ask me how I know.

00:09:59.000 How do you know?

00:10:00.000 It's not because I read it in a book.

00:10:01.000 It's because I know from personal experience.

00:10:03.000 When, how?

00:10:05.000 How what?

00:10:06.000 How do you know it?

00:10:07.000 How did you, when was your experience of it?

00:10:09.000 Oh, from the age of, and I hope my wife got to cover her ears. 1.00

00:10:12.000 From the age of about 16.

00:10:14.000 No, she's like that woman in there bleeding things being amplified all over the building. 1.00

00:10:18.000 From the age of about 16 to when I got saved, and I still wasn't perfect, but I had experienced what it's like to be without, you know, the direction from God, being without having some type of restriction on how I decided to be intimate with other people, you know, outside of the way God had ordained it.

00:10:38.000 Because you can do it.

00:10:39.000 It's fun for people to do it, but it does not leave you feeling as fulfilled as if you do it in a marriage and you do it the way God has called us to do it.

00:10:48.000 That requires some either discipline or faith or both.

00:10:53.000 And we live in a kind of faithless culture that's lacking in discipline.

00:10:57.000 Given that this turning point event focusing on young people is now no longer an activist group geared towards getting young people to vote because you got Trump in office now for next few years at least.

00:11:11.000 How do you think the focus of a group like Turning Point should shift to meet the new cultural, social and political goals?

00:11:19.000 And if I might ask, what role do you think you have it?

00:11:21.000 Because you seem somewhat unique in this space, just glancing around.

00:11:25.000 You're young, you're not white, you're pretty well put together and everything. 0.99

00:11:30.000 Do you feel like that you have a personal obligation that's connected to your identity or do you think it's a broad and general mission that's not connected to your previous as a police officer, as a footballer, and as a man of color?

00:11:44.000 Well, Russell, you asked a whole bunch of different questions.

00:11:46.000 I'm going to try to get to them.

00:11:48.000 So we'll start.

00:11:49.000 Play by play.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, we'll start with Turner Point USA.

00:11:52.000 I think that Turner Point USA's mission and objective is not necessarily just for voting specifically.

00:11:58.000 I think it's to get young people to understand what conservative values are, what freedom is, love for country, and getting themselves to a higher, I would say, mindset, not necessarily, let me put it like this.

00:12:14.000 As we grow and develop by listening to things that we hear from speakers, from our peers, from understanding the values of America, how it was founded, I think that creates a different mentality in young people that will cause them to vote the correct way.

00:12:29.000 I don't think TurningPoint is trying to tell you, you got to vote for this president or this one.

00:12:33.000 It's learning about America, the history of America, valuing capitalism that will necessitate how you choose who you want to vote for.

00:12:42.000 So I think that TurningPoint does an incredible job at raising up generations of people that are more intelligent.

00:12:47.000 And when you're intelligent, you make intelligent decisions.

00:12:50.000 As far as me and I'm concerned, I think that every American has the, should have the obligation to uphold American values and try to pass that information forward.

00:13:01.000 As a black man, there's not a lot of black people here, obviously.

00:13:05.000 And one reason is because, you know, a lot of young black people are too afraid to speak out.

00:13:10.000 There's some black people there. 0.94

00:13:11.000 This learn to ladies. 1.00

00:13:14.000 I got three.

00:13:14.000 That ladies of Asia.

00:13:16.000 We're going to need a genetic test from everyone in the building.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:21.000 So, but I think that it's more young black people like myself and others, and it's not exclusive to black, but young black people like myself and others need to speak out, need to be bold about our convictions and not be afraid of being alienated from family members or being alienated on social media at Sellouts and Uncle Tom's.

00:13:37.000 And the more that we do this, the more young black people can see, well, there are black people in the movement that look like me, that come from the same background that I come from.

00:13:46.000 Maybe, just maybe I can think outside the box and have a difference of opinion or at least hear a different side.

00:13:52.000 Presumably, then, you think that a Democrat appeal to young black people and the appeal that the Democrats make fundamentally to be the party of non-white people, i.e. 0.55

00:14:04.000 just one example, Joe Biden, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black.

00:14:08.000 Do you think that is a bogus and disingenuous claim?

00:14:12.000 Well, I keep saying a thousand percent, but just for emphasis.

00:14:15.000 And if you do think it, then why do you think it?

00:14:18.000 Yeah, I think that the Democrat Party, not necessarily just the Democrat Party, but the leftist ideology itself is weaponizing empathy and victimizing people that then lead them to feel as if they're being rescued by that same party or that same political ideology.

00:14:36.000 There has been nothing that the left has done in history, in my opinion, that have benefited minorities.

00:14:44.000 It has only been them, I guess, creating conflict and situations that they then have to try to rescue people from.

00:14:52.000 And the reason I say that is because you look at any violent area or the most violent cities in the United States of America are run by who?

00:14:59.000 Democrats.

00:15:00.000 If you look at all of, go back to the KKK, go back to the Civil Rights Movement, go back to the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment, the Democrat Party wasn't in support of those things.

00:15:12.000 It always had been the Republican Party.

00:15:14.000 The first black politicians were Republicans.

00:15:16.000 The Republicans fought against the Democrats to end slavery.

00:15:20.000 The KKK, the Klukas Klan that they tout today were the political arm of the Democrat Party. 0.81

00:15:26.000 So when you look at the history of the Democrat Party all the way up until this point and the leftist ideology have never been fruitful for black people.

00:15:33.000 And getting that message out to as many people as we can will cause a change.

00:15:37.000 And I think Donald Trump and his administration and his campaigning have, we have seen an incredible difference.

00:15:43.000 He's got more of the black male vote than just about any other Republican in history.

00:15:48.000 And we see it in the Latino community, in minority communities.

00:15:52.000 And I think that he's done a good job because of those principles.

00:15:55.000 That's interesting because it seems like there's a lot of unquestioned myths there.

00:15:59.000 Sometimes when I think about the civil rights leaders in your country of half a century ago, I note that they are often pretty spiritually grounded people, like, you know, Christian pastors or devout Muslims, that it's more likely that a spiritual perspective will change America for the better rather than a particular political perspective, because you can't have politics without a firm ideology, and you can't have a firm ideology without God.

00:16:28.000 How do your own spiritual values inform your own broadcasting, streaming, and activism, and your own content creation?

00:16:37.000 And if you find, and this is question two, you know, I'm doing these questions with layers.

00:16:40.000 The second part of the question is, if you do agree that spirituality and particularly in your case, Christianity are the primary ideological drives, what do you do if any political party, including the Republicans, appears to renege on them values?

00:16:57.000 A wonderful, wonderful question.

00:16:58.000 Everything that I am, everything that I will be comes down to my faith and belief in God.

00:17:05.000 If I did not believe in God, I would not be here today.

00:17:08.000 And I believe that if somehow I had a level of success, it would be undeserved if I did not give God the credit.

00:17:14.000 My character, integrity, vision, purpose, everything comes from God.

00:17:20.000 If there were a political party that decided to renege on the promises to uphold religious freedom and allow us to, as Christians, to be able to pray, worship, acknowledge Christ, then Christians have to abandon that party, have to abandon that political ideology.

00:17:40.000 Because the first and most important thing for every Christian in America is putting Christ first.

00:17:45.000 Not a political ideology, not a political party, not being cool with your friends, not being liked, not being accepted by the masses.

00:17:53.000 It's to put Christ first.

00:17:55.000 Because if you deny Christ before man, when it comes to you being judged by the Father, Christ will deny you.

00:18:01.000 And I want every Christian to understand that.

00:18:04.000 You have to put your faith first.

00:18:08.000 Do you think sometimes faith in God gets parasited or hijacked by cultural ideas?

00:18:17.000 Yes, evidently on the left, but maybe beyond that.

00:18:21.000 Say, you know, when we think about them Paris Olympics, that weird chaotic bewilderment of that ceremony that seemed designed solely to blaspheme.

00:18:29.000 That's like an obvious, evident example of desecration and blaspheming to destroy the values at the core of our culture in order to create a chaos from which other, I believe, satanic interests can benefit.

00:18:41.000 Do you see it elsewhere in a more casual way?

00:18:43.000 The worship of products, the worship of sex, the worship of wealth, all false idols.

00:18:48.000 And don't you feel that in worshiping any political figure, you are ultimately worshiping a fallible, transient being who really is just at the same level as any of us, even if they are great?

00:19:00.000 I agree.

00:19:01.000 We should not uphold or worship or give honor to any man that is old to God. 1.00

00:19:07.000 One of the things that I think is incredibly important is that some of our biggest issues come from within the church.

00:19:13.000 It's not outside of the church.

00:19:15.000 The biggest issues is that we have people that stand in the pulpit and will not preach the truth of God.

00:19:22.000 We have people that will stand in the pulpit and then allow a society to fall off the map and they'll only worry about your tithe and offering.

00:19:29.000 They're only worried about the size of their ministry than telling the truth, even if it hurts.

00:19:34.000 Loving people truly is not lying to them.

00:19:38.000 If a person is in sin, you tell them that they're in sin, but you love them to Christ.

00:19:44.000 You don't lie to them about their sin and tell them that everything is acceptable in God's sight.

00:19:49.000 And I think that's the biggest sin, not necessarily what the world is doing.

00:19:53.000 What the world is doing is what the world is going to always do.

00:19:56.000 What the church does is going to be the determining factor of how well do Christians function in a society like this.

00:20:05.000 There's never going to be a society without sin.

00:20:07.000 The only difference is how are the Christians going to respond in that society?

00:20:12.000 Yeah, I suppose the same way there won't be a society without sin because there's not a human being without sin.

00:20:19.000 Maybe there's a difference between that and a culture that seems to celebrate sin.

00:20:24.000 Hey, recently, Brandon, I was in Rome and when I was there, I see some works of art that were about the devotion of early Christians.

00:20:31.000 The one I'm thinking of is Caravaggio's paintings of Saint Matthew.

00:20:36.000 And like, you see Matthew like getting pointed at and like, you, you're in the crew.

00:20:42.000 Then you see him writing out the gospel with Gabriel over him.

00:20:46.000 Then you see him getting flayed alive for his beliefs and faith.

00:20:49.000 Now, given this was in the city of Rome, we ain't that far from the Vatican.

00:20:52.000 And I thought, you know, if we were worshiping the Lord on the back of what you were just saying there, you were saying that from the pulpit, people ain't backing it up enough with the proper minerals of a holy man with a holy faith.

00:21:04.000 If like even with like the institution of the Vatican and well-established churches in your country, America, Christians aren't behaving like a radical revolutionary movement whose sole duty is to prepare and make straight the way for the return of our Savior, Jesus Christ, how can Christianity flourish? 0.54

00:21:24.000 And wouldn't that look pretty radical?

00:21:27.000 And on the back of that question, part two, don't you feel in a personal obligation to strive for a kind of sainthood, knowing what that might cost you?

00:21:36.000 Or are you happy just to sort of like roll along as a merry little Christian? 0.97

00:21:40.000 I love that question.

00:21:42.000 You know, it's very difficult for us, even myself, because if you look at the story of Christianity, you look at the story of the apostles, it wasn't a pretty story.

00:21:52.000 It wasn't a story of uploading quotes, biblical quotes on Instagram and looking holier than thou.

00:21:58.000 It was a story of a struggle and a people who believed so much, they believed all the way to death.

00:22:03.000 I'm really concerned, and I have to look at myself in the mirror first, that if we face persecution like those who served in the Bible, would we be able to stand up?

00:22:16.000 How many people are willing to get rid of their luxuries, to face imprisonment, potentially death by torture in order to uphold Jesus Christ?

00:22:26.000 Some people won't even say the name of Jesus or be a Christian in front of their friends.

00:22:31.000 So it's concerning that we have been in a society where people are being too comfortable.

00:22:38.000 It's this casual Christianity that's a problem. 1.00

00:22:41.000 But what I will say, this is not an indictment to everybody that's sitting here because we're all imperfect.

00:22:47.000 And if you strive, God is willing to forgive you and willing to restore you if you pursue the truth.

00:22:53.000 But I think that we're in trouble.

00:22:55.000 It's almost as if when you go to Africa and you go to some of these other developing countries, they have more of a zeal and a connection to the true faith in God than a lot of people here in America.

00:23:08.000 Because today, being a Christian means I go to church every Sunday.

00:23:12.000 Being a Christian means I'm a part of this religious group and I do this every day.

00:23:17.000 Instead of saying I have a relationship because I have knowledge of what the gospel of Jesus Christ really is.

00:23:23.000 Brandon, thank you very much for joining us.

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00:31:09.000 Hello, everyone.

00:31:38.000 Welcome back to Stay Free with Russell Brandon with Jack Pacific.

00:31:41.000 please give us a round of applause.

00:31:42.000 Hey, Jack, we were just talking about how to organize a political movement.

00:31:49.000 Now, I wonder, Jack, how significant the change is from when you are campaigning to get elected to when you are an advocate for a party that's already in government when it comes to shaping policy, whether that's the Maha aspect of this movement or what Charlie Kirk is so devoted to here at Turning Point.

00:32:10.000 How does the objectives change and how do you remain clear?

00:32:13.000 Because wouldn't you take the, you know, and I don't know if we have far into it you want to get, wouldn't you take the non-disclosure of the Epstein files as an indication of things get different once you get in government, that the sword of Damocles appears above your head and suddenly you have different challenges.

00:32:28.000 That means people in government have a set of challenges that we don't fully understand and aren't fully clear to us.

00:32:34.000 How do people that are on the periphery of power, whether that's like you, a significant influencer, or every one of us here at Turning Point participate in how do we ensure the government remains accountable to the ideals that God has?

00:32:45.000 him elected?

00:32:45.000 Well, Russell, thank you so much for the opportunity to answer that question because I was, and I think there's a few others that are here this weekend.

00:32:52.000 I was one of those people who was brought in with Pam Bondi and received the binder.

00:32:58.000 Remember the binder now?

00:32:59.000 I call it the baloney binder because as I opened it, it turned out that's all it was full of was just baloney.

00:33:05.000 There were no actual new documents in here at all.

00:33:07.000 And yet we were told, hey, this is phase one.

00:33:10.000 Well, phase one would intuit phase two, phase three, phase four, et cetera.

00:33:16.000 We didn't get any of it.

00:33:17.000 In fact, we get this memo that says nothing.

00:33:18.000 So to your point, you're right.

00:33:20.000 It's very easy, in a sense, to be in the opposition because all you can do, you can point and you can complain and you can whine and you can criticize.

00:33:28.000 It's simple.

00:33:29.000 It's easy.

00:33:30.000 When you're in, you must govern.

00:33:31.000 When you're in, now you have the responsibility, but, but I always say that that responsibility must be mitigated by, number one, the promises that were made before you went in.

00:33:43.000 If you remember the things that you said, the commitments that you made, if you're not making the commitments and staying true to those commitments, then how are you any better?

00:33:51.000 How are you any better than the people that you were previously criticizing and opposing that aren't you just becoming the thing that which you opposed?

00:34:00.000 And so what I do believe is when it comes to something like Epstein, when it comes to something like Maha, you have to have those clear objectives.

00:34:08.000 And the objective doesn't just mean we're going to get through today's news cycle.

00:34:12.000 The objective means that we're meeting our commitments and we're making good on that as we proceed through time to the next election, to the midterms, to the next presidential.

00:34:22.000 And I'll say this on Epstein.

00:34:24.000 We need full disclosure and wherever the truth goes, we must follow it.

00:34:29.000 I've heard a number of things on that subject from Bill O'Reilly saying that it's simply an attempt to ensure that people that may have been affiliated with Epstein aren't tarred by the more nefarious aspects of what Epstein was doing to people claiming that Epstein did not die in that cell and is still alive and at large.

00:34:52.000 And my own sort of deep and entrenched biases as a conspiracy theorist lead me to not intuit, just feel, and sometimes I have to be careful, Jack, because I start to want certain things to be true.

00:35:05.000 Like I kind of want Bill Clinton to be implicated and I want Obama to be, I'd be disappointed if I found out that Bill Clinton's a really nice guy and he's never done anything wrong.

00:35:15.000 I'd be like, well, I was looking forward to reading about him being involved in satanic rituals on Epstein Island. 0.92

00:35:22.000 So I have to be careful of those biases.

00:35:24.000 But my sense is that contained within those files is information that is so deep and damaging that it goes beyond the reach of any individual party, but the entire system itself.

00:35:38.000 How are we who are sitting on the outside of politics, of government, of world affairs, how are we to understand how the American government, the British government, Prince Andrew, all right, Ehud Barak, the prime minister of Israel, how are we to understand how all of these governments and world affairs operate and the decisions that are made?

00:35:59.000 Now, can you go to the news media?

00:36:00.000 Of course you can.

00:36:01.000 Can you go to social media?

00:36:03.000 Sometimes.

00:36:04.000 But if there are things going on behind the scenes, if there are blackmail operations, we can't possibly understand the true nature of that blackmail.

00:36:14.000 Who's blackmailing who?

00:36:16.000 Who's got the goods, the receipts on another?

00:36:20.000 Why is it that some action is taking place?

00:36:22.000 Well, the politician will tell you, well, this is taking place to achieve this, this, and this, when in reality, it's because someone's got pictures, information, or, and by the way, one of the biggest pieces that people miss on Epstein that I think is so crucial is what was Epstein?

00:36:38.000 A money manager, a money manager.

00:36:41.000 He was receiving money from these highly wealthy individuals, and he was pushing the money out into different locations, different accounts, talking about, I'm managing your wealth.

00:36:51.000 I'm managing your wealth.

00:36:52.000 If you need someone, needed someone to run, and I say this as a prior intelligence officer, if you needed someone to send out black funds to be able to fund a black operation, what would you need?

00:37:06.000 You'd need a money manager.

00:37:08.000 You'd need someone who understood the art of making money travel throughout the world and go into different pockets without the wider government or without the wider financial agencies seeing this.

00:37:22.000 That's exactly the service that Jeffrey Epstein could provide.

00:37:25.000 Now you attach that to whatever went on on this island, whatever went on on these airplanes.

00:37:31.000 Suddenly, you've got the makings of an operation that is not just potentially valuable to an intelligence agency.

00:37:39.000 It would be valuable to every intelligence agency.

00:37:42.000 Julian Assange said the reason that the information has not been made explicit is because if it were, it would lose its inherent valuable leverage against the powerful individuals contained.

00:37:52.000 If that is the case, and I sort of just generally trust Julian Assange because of everything he's been through, how do you feel as someone that's openly advocated and campaigned for this administration, that's pretty closely connected to this administration, that's publicly backed senior members of the government?

00:38:10.000 Do you feel compromised?

00:38:13.000 Do you feel like, oh, well, at least it's better than the Democrats?

00:38:16.000 Do you feel that there needs to be significant evolution in the way this country is run?

00:38:19.000 Do you think it's an indication that there's a requirement for systemic and institutional change, without which you're going to get some form or rendering of this centralized corruption, regardless of who populates the roles within power?

00:38:33.000 Does it make you feel disheartened?

00:38:36.000 Well, I'll put it this way.

00:38:38.000 I know what it looks like when the government wants to investigate something.

00:38:42.000 I saw the way that, and I mentioned this on stage, that the January 6 participants were treated.

00:38:50.000 We saw what the government can do when the full force and full scope of the power of the federal government is brought to bear.

00:38:56.000 And when they went after the Gen 6ers, people, little old ladies who were waving a flag or praying on the steps of the Capitol. 0.84

00:39:03.000 It didn't matter where you were in the country.

00:39:05.000 It didn't matter where you were in the world.

00:39:07.000 You were getting a knock on the door.

00:39:08.000 You were getting a raid in the middle of the night.

00:39:10.000 You were getting your finances frozen.

00:39:12.000 You were getting your communications sucked up.

00:39:14.000 You were getting all the rest of it.

00:39:15.000 And, Russell, I haven't seen any of that with this Jeffrey Epstein client list, the Jeffrey Epstein network.

00:39:21.000 I haven't seen any public hearings or public trials.

00:39:24.000 I don't even have the number off up.

00:39:26.000 It was thousands of people.

00:39:27.000 Thousands of people were rolled up over January 6th.

00:39:30.000 They've all been pardoned now, every single one of them.

00:39:32.000 And yet the only two people who were ever arrested for Jeffrey Epstein were Epstein himself and now Ghelane Maxwell.

00:39:40.000 Even Prince Andrew is now free to travel again on the basis of this report.

00:39:44.000 And I say, it's not good enough.

00:39:46.000 Oh, mate, I'm a little bit freaked out by that.

00:39:49.000 There's two things you've said.

00:39:50.000 One is out how easily infatuated we are and distracted we are by the news cycle, the ever-churning news cycle.

00:39:57.000 And I'd not considered that, that when a government is seriously undertaking to resolve a matter, doors get kicked down and people get arrested.

00:40:08.000 You remember COVID?

00:40:10.000 Right.

00:40:10.000 Yeah, they can enforce power.

00:40:13.000 Immersive messaging, total control, arrests, changing laws when not changing laws, regulating through near mandate.

00:40:22.000 All right, that's pretty interesting.

00:40:23.000 Okay, so that sort of suggests to me that you, like I do, believe that there is some degree of suppression and distraction taking place with this matter.

00:40:32.000 How do you reckon the role of people that are not within government but have been supportive of government changes now that we're in this position and this condition?

00:40:41.000 Take, for example, Maha.

00:40:43.000 The Maha, I suppose, is the movement that's generally affiliated with health and food of Americans and perhaps you might say in particular, young people, as it pertains to big food and big pharma and big agriculture.

00:40:54.000 What type of direction do you think the activism has to take with regard to those issues?

00:41:01.000 Because I think in the instance of Maha and the HHS, I think Dr. Oz is fantastic.

00:41:07.000 I love Robert Kennedy.

00:41:08.000 I love Jay Bhattacharya, Mai Makari, Callie and Casey Mean.

00:41:13.000 Seems like there's really good people there.

00:41:14.000 So what is it that they face that's perhaps a less glamorous and incandescent version of Epstein, but nonetheless represents a nexus of interest?

00:41:25.000 What you're talking about, great.

00:41:26.000 It's the interests, in this case, hopefully not any blackmail, but corporate interests.

00:41:32.000 And at the end of the day, billions upon billions of dollars that have been made off of the backs of the health of the people.

00:41:38.000 They say, well, the food is cheaper.

00:41:40.000 The food is cheaper.

00:41:41.000 The food is cheaper.

00:41:42.000 But guess what?

00:41:42.000 It's cheaper and the companies are able to sell more of it.

00:41:45.000 They're getting more of a profit because of this, but it is not healthier.

00:41:50.000 It is, in fact, unhealthier.

00:41:52.000 And by putting this unhealthy food into our bodies, my wife, who's just sitting over here, she's from Eastern Europe. 1.00

00:41:58.000 And when she came to the United States, he was filling out her health insurance forms.

00:42:04.000 And they asked her, they say, oh, what allergies do you have?

00:42:07.000 Okay, what food allergies do you have?

00:42:09.000 You know what she said?

00:42:10.000 She said, what's a food allergy?

00:42:12.000 What is that?

00:42:13.000 I've never heard of such a thing.

00:42:15.000 I said, how could you be allergic to food?

00:42:19.000 How?

00:42:19.000 How is it possible?

00:42:20.000 Except, because in other parts of the world, it's not even something that enters into your consciousness that food is the source of life.

00:42:28.000 It's something that you could have some sort of adverse reaction to.

00:42:33.000 And that goes to speak to you that the food in this country is the thing that has the problem.

00:42:37.000 It's not our bodies.

00:42:38.000 It's the food that has this problem.

00:42:40.000 So when it comes to, and I'll get back to your question, and this is why she's so passionate about it, Tanya, that clearly defined goals and clearly defined objectives are so important.

00:42:53.000 And, you know, there's so much that the government is doing on a regular basis.

00:42:57.000 But because it is, you know, it could be a bit boring.

00:43:00.000 You're having a meeting, you're releasing some new talking points.

00:43:04.000 You need more.

00:43:05.000 You need optics.

00:43:06.000 You need to go to these factory farms. 0.99

00:43:08.000 You need to go to Big Ag.

00:43:10.000 You need to go to, and by the way, we see ICE is going.

00:43:13.000 Again, that's Big Ag again.

00:43:15.000 So you're going to Monsanto.

00:43:17.000 You're going to the GMOs.

00:43:19.000 And, you know, maybe you put the police tape up.

00:43:21.000 Maybe you do something.

00:43:22.000 You've got to bring people on board.

00:43:24.000 Show them the story as you would in any narrative storytelling.

00:43:29.000 Show, don't tell.

00:43:31.000 Jack, if something is as significantly warped as the food that an entire population eats in order to fulfill corporate and commercial edicts, don't the sundry and less significant issues of tribal politics pale into insignificance?

00:43:51.000 The example of your wife, food has become toxic and poisonous. 0.99

00:43:55.000 Yes, we have the example of allergies, but beyond that, we know that we're en masse eating food that's essentially bad for us.

00:44:02.000 Aren't we being invited to reframe our entire perspective on politics and become sort of somewhat more radical and dare I venture somewhat more Christian and approach these institutions as if they are kind of corrupt behemoths that have taken control of the spiritual life of our country? 0.84

00:44:18.000 Well, that's precisely how I view these behemoths.

00:44:21.000 That's precisely how they view these institutions that for far long, and perhaps they were set up with the best of intentions, but they say the road to hell is paved with the best intentions.

00:44:32.000 That these institutions, which were supposed to be set up to protect people, have actually become, the FDA is a perfect example of this, that have become the ones that actually prey upon people, have become the ones that turn into a revolving door of industry interests coming in with the power now of the federal government to put a stamp on anything and say, yes, this is healthy, or yes, this uses natural products, or yes, this is totally approved.

00:45:00.000 In fact, when you start digging through the labels, when you start digging through it.

00:45:04.000 So I will say this.

00:45:05.000 If you go back 10 years ago to now, and I always give people this rubric to use, you should use a rubric of where were we 10 years ago to now.

00:45:14.000 10 years ago, these conversations were not being had in public.

00:45:17.000 10 years ago, a man like Bobby Kennedy was laughed off the stage, was prevented from speaking publicly on so many of these issues by his own party.

00:45:28.000 I would have you remember.

00:45:29.000 And It was his ability to cross the aisle when he did that with Donald Trump and Donald Trump's openness to bring a scion of the Democrat Party with the most powerful name in Democrat politics, a Kennedy, to put him on stage with the MAGA-Maha alliance that was formed.

00:45:49.000 And now, what they need to see going forward is the tangible objective interests, making sure that those goals are met.

00:45:58.000 I come from a military background.

00:46:00.000 And with my military background, I say, look, I agree, I'm a Christian.

00:46:04.000 I agree.

00:46:04.000 These institutions are problematic.

00:46:06.000 But with my military mind, I say, what is what we would call the desired end state?

00:46:12.000 What is the commander's desired end state?

00:46:14.000 And so once that's laid out, then you work backwards from that end state and figure out what your mild markers are, your milestones, your objectives, your accomplishments along the way.

00:46:25.000 And then you make a plan to accomplish them.

00:46:27.000 Do you think that's how the deep states operate in continually, like the desired end state?

00:46:32.000 The Epstein list goes away.

00:46:33.000 Okay, well, say we're going to do these files, then release something, then distract people, then it goes on for a while, then the social pressures increase so much.

00:46:42.000 Or COVID.

00:46:42.000 COVID was like a military operation, wasn't it, in this country and in mine?

00:46:47.000 Yeah, you can see that military expertise is necessarily deployed in social management and social organization.

00:46:53.000 There's sort of military, there's military as we understand it at the level of warfare.

00:46:57.000 There's military at the level of intelligence.

00:46:59.000 And then there's military at the level of social control.

00:47:02.000 I'd never thought about it before, Jack.

00:47:04.000 This is a bit of a tangential question.

00:47:06.000 From your talking voice, it sounds like you've got a good singing voice.

00:47:09.000 Have you got a good singing voice?

00:47:11.000 Do you sound a bit like Michael Booglay?

00:47:13.000 And people like that.

00:47:14.000 I'm no Russell Brand, I'll say that.

00:47:16.000 Well, I think I can detect.

00:47:18.000 I bet you can do like sort of schmoozy barroom songs.

00:47:22.000 I could do a little of that.

00:47:23.000 A little bit.

00:47:24.000 A lounge act, perhaps.

00:47:28.000 I reckon you're right about this.

00:47:29.000 In somehow, like a fusion of the military planning, commitment, duty, willingness to sacrifice.

00:47:38.000 By the way, I suppose many of those values are Christian values anyway.

00:47:41.000 Willingness to sacrifice ultimate Christian values if Christ is the ultimate Christian values. 0.64

00:47:47.000 If we are to be Christian soldiers. 0.70

00:47:50.000 Yeah, then we have to be willing to sacrifice.

00:47:53.000 Man, do you hope that people ain't gone too soft for what might be a radical and revolutionary moment?

00:47:59.000 What I tell people is always remind them that our king is Jesus Christ.

00:48:03.000 Keep him at the center.

00:48:04.000 If you keep God and Christ as your center, you will be able to face any social pressures because at the end of the day, at the end of all of our days, the final test is what we're all leading forward to.

00:48:17.000 My little boys that are sitting down right over there, and I'm getting them ready for their final test as we go through this universe that we go through.

00:48:24.000 We will eventually be presented before those gates and we will be brought before the throne and God will say, he'll say to Russell, he'll say to Jack, he'll say to all of us, I gave you these gifts.

00:48:36.000 I gave you these abilities.

00:48:38.000 What did you use them for?

00:48:40.000 Did you use them to bring people to me?

00:48:43.000 And so, Russell, by the way, speaking of which, symbols, I think, are important.

00:48:48.000 And there was a symbol that I gave you about almost one year ago exactly.

00:48:52.000 I know.

00:48:52.000 There's a bit of a backstory to you passed that on.

00:48:55.000 So I realized that there is a symbol that I needed to get you again.

00:49:00.000 I'm so grateful for this rosary because I gave this my rosary.

00:49:04.000 Tell us the story.

00:49:06.000 And so I gave you a rosary one year ago when we were on this Rumble Couch before in Milwaukee.

00:49:11.000 We're back again.

00:49:12.000 You gave it on.

00:49:13.000 All right.

00:49:13.000 So I said, you know something?

00:49:15.000 Russell needs another rosary.

00:49:16.000 This one, if you look at the center, by the way, that's St. Michael the Archangel right there.

00:49:20.000 Oh, I need him.

00:49:21.000 I need him when going into battle.

00:49:23.000 The sword and shield of St. Michael the Archangel.

00:49:26.000 When God needed to go into battle, to send his angels into the battle against the forces of hell, the forces of Satan, the angels that turned, one-third of the angelic hosts turned against him.

00:49:35.000 He sent St. Michael into battle to the fore.

00:49:37.000 I'm so grateful because I gave this to my friend Joe because that man's mind is a battlefield and his life is a battlefield.

00:49:43.000 And I thought like that he would need it more than me.

00:49:45.000 But you know, when you give someone something, you think, I don't really want to give this away.

00:49:50.000 I had that feeling.

00:49:51.000 Sometimes I had that.

00:49:53.000 I love it.

00:49:54.000 Thank you so much.

00:49:55.000 That's such a beautiful gift.

00:49:56.000 And I could also, I can feel the gentle lyricism and crooning continually in your voice.

00:50:02.000 Even as you're talking about those tests and the heavenly gates, I could sort of feel like it could become at any moment a Sinatra-esque song.

00:50:11.000 God bless you for giving me this beautiful gift.

00:50:13.000 I love you, Jack.

00:50:13.000 Thanks, man.

00:50:14.000 Back out to Russell.

00:50:15.000 Thank you, man.

00:50:16.000 A round of applause for Jack Mercedes.

00:50:18.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:50:19.000 We're going to have a quick commercial break now and we might be back in a minute.

00:50:22.000 I don't know.

00:50:22.000 I can't tell.

00:50:23.000 Who knows?

00:50:23.000 See you later.

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