Stay Free - Russel Brand - LIVE DEBATE WATCH PARTY: TRUMP VS. HARRIS

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00:06:58.000 ... approach toward immigration and that is because usually the Democrats promised

00:07:05.000 immigration reform and Latinos were attracted to that promise but that

00:07:08.000 promise never materialized Now they feel that the recent arrivals hurts not only their image, but they feel that it is unfair that they are getting paroled.

00:07:17.000 Many of them are getting work permits while there are still millions of undocumented People here living in this country that are either married to U.S.

00:07:26.000 citizens or have children that are U.S.

00:07:28.000 born, that have been waiting for decades, also the dreamers.

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00:07:36.000 One thing that might hurt President Trump is the mass deportations.

00:07:40.000 Latinos are not in favor of mass deportations.

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00:07:49.000 All right, we are less than 30 minutes away from the first debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

00:07:57.000 When we come back, the global stakes in this most extraordinary moment.

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00:12:04.000 Back now in Philadelphia about 28 minutes until the election.

00:12:19.000 The conflict in the Middle East and Matt I know this debate is being watched very closely

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00:12:35.000 Very closely, Martha, and a former longtime advisor for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu told me that he's going to be watching very closely for what former President Trump has to say about Iran.

00:12:45.000 He said, for Netanyahu, both Harris and Trump are known quantities, but the advisor telling me that for Netanyahu, a Trump presidency would be a dream come true, especially because of the mounting scrutiny that Netanyahu has been under Increasing allegations that he's been dragging his feet on this hostage deal and ceasefire, mounting even further after the release of that video, showing the tunnel in which those six hostages were executed, including American Hirsch Goldberg Pollen.

00:13:14.000 That's just a couple of hours ago.

00:13:15.000 And if you ask Israelis and Palestinians what they're looking for from Vice President Harris, they're likely to say they want to know what she has to offer that is different from what the Biden administration has been doing the past several months.

00:13:26.000 Despite massive efforts, they've promised that a deal is around the corner, but it remains elusive.

00:13:32.000 And it's going to be a lot easier of a sell for the former president who's ever faced a crisis like this, but he's likely going to say and repeat what he said in the past that if he were president, October 7th would never have happened.

00:13:44.000 If he were president, he would have been able to have strong-armed Hamas and Netanyahu into a ceasefire in a hostage deal that would have saved the lives of many Palestinians and, of course, those hostages, Martha.

00:13:55.000 A lot of challenges about that tonight for sure, Matt.

00:13:57.000 Thanks so much.

00:13:59.000 Ukraine also at the center of this.

00:14:00.000 Let's bring in Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Ian Pannell, who is in Ukraine.

00:14:05.000 Closely watch there as well, Ian.

00:14:09.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:14:10.000 I mean, I spoke to an advisor to the President's office today and he used one simple word, critical.

00:14:15.000 It's critical what happens tonight.

00:14:17.000 It's critical what happens in November.

00:14:19.000 Not just to Ukraine, but I think this sends strong signals to other critical areas in terms of foreign policy for the United States.

00:14:25.000 For example, China.

00:14:27.000 And this war is just grinding on.

00:14:28.000 I mean, overnight Ukraine launching one of its biggest drone attacks on Russia since the start of this war.

00:14:34.000 drones were shot down the Moscow region over a hundred and forty fired into

00:14:38.000 Russia an apartment block here to woman killed and one of Moscow's airports was

00:14:42.000 also struck what we've seen is Ukraine repeatedly trying to target Russia in

00:14:47.000 attempt to try and bring the war home to the Kremlin and to the Russian people

00:14:50.000 this is partly because they've been given restrictions on the weapons have

00:14:54.000 been supplied by the United States and others and what Ukraine is hoping is

00:14:58.000 that those restrictions are going to be lifted US Secretary of State Antony

00:15:01.000 Blinken is going to come here to Kiev this week speaking London he confirmed

00:15:05.000 that Iran has now transferred ballistic missiles to Russia He's expecting that those are going to be used in the coming weeks.

00:15:12.000 He describes this also as a critical moment for Ukraine.

00:15:15.000 So all eyes are going to be on tonight's presidential debate.

00:15:17.000 Even, apparently, President Zelensky expected to tune in.

00:15:20.000 And the outcome, I think, of this presidential debate is going to be critical to the outcome of Ukraine's defense against Russia's invasion.

00:15:27.000 Martha?

00:15:28.000 Thanks so much, Ian.

00:15:29.000 And Ian and I have both spent a great deal of time in Afghanistan, John, as you know, and that will be a key issue tonight.

00:15:37.000 Former President Trump has been slamming the Biden-Harris administration for that disastrous withdrawal, the way it was done.

00:15:46.000 Hey, look, let's say it bluntly.

00:15:48.000 It was a dark moment for the Biden campaign, for the Biden presidency.

00:15:51.000 It might be the darkest moment of his presidency.

00:15:53.000 In fact, the Republicans have now given the Congressional Medal of Honor.

00:16:00.000 Not the Medal of Honor.

00:16:01.000 They announced... Medal of Freedom.

00:16:03.000 Congressional Medal of Freedom, yes.

00:16:06.000 You know, to the 13 service members who died at Abbey Gate in Afghanistan.

00:16:11.000 And one thing, if you look at that moment, so that withdrawal from Afghanistan happened in August of 2021.

00:16:19.000 The other thing that happened in August of 2021 was that Joe Biden became an unpopular president.

00:16:25.000 His popularity, his favorability ratings went below 50%.

00:16:28.000 They never came back.

00:16:30.000 But Joe Biden was also at the time saying, this would not be like Saigon.

00:16:34.000 We also saw those images of that.

00:16:37.000 It's hard to play that down.

00:16:39.000 If you're the president, it's hard to call that a success.

00:16:41.000 And Mary, let's go back to Israel and Gaza. 0.99

00:16:44.000 A key issue also for Kamala Harris. 0.90

00:16:47.000 And a very, very fine line she has to walk.

00:16:50.000 A very fine line.

00:16:51.000 And this is one of those rare issues where she is taking a notably different tone.

00:16:54.000 from the president.

00:16:55.000 She has been much more forceful in speaking out about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, stressing, yes, of course, Israel has a right to defend itself, but saying Palestinians also have the right to dignity, security, and freedom.

00:17:06.000 Now, policy-wise, she is largely vowing to continue the policies of the Biden administration, but there is no question, on this issue, she is facing the most pressure from Democratic voters.

00:17:15.000 I've been at nearly every Harris rally so far, and at almost every one, she is interrupted by protesters.

00:17:21.000 Eager to make their voices heard on it.

00:17:22.000 They will be listening closely.

00:17:24.000 Very strong voting bloc there too, Rachel.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, they're gonna be listening to that message.

00:17:27.000 Alright, so coming up, Senator Tom Cotton and Governor Josh Shapiro are standing by with just about 20 minutes until the debate.

00:17:34.000 Stay with us.

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00:23:22.000 Hello guys, so thank you very much for joining me.

00:23:25.000 Sorry I was late, I wasn't awake yet.

00:23:29.000 And let's watch the stream on ABC.

00:23:32.000 Let's have the audio on the floor This is bear

00:23:47.000 Look, I'm not sure what world's...

00:23:50.000 How you doing on Rumble?

00:23:51.000 This is the actual live news coverage.

00:23:52.000 In charge the only thing we have more of in this country was more chaos

00:23:56.000 I think under Kamala Harris You're gonna see someone who's compassionate who cares

00:24:01.000 deeply about the welfare of all Americans no matter what they look like where they come from 0.99

00:24:06.000 Who they love who they pray to and he can this is the actual?

00:24:10.000 live news coverage Somewhat biased

00:24:18.000 Strong vision for the nation and prosecute the case effectively against Donald Trump tonight

00:24:23.000 You mentioned the case against Trump. What about Joe Biden?

00:24:26.000 How does she go about building off of their record but making clear to voters who are concerned that she won't 0.93

00:24:32.000 just be back to point?

00:24:33.000 so like my assumption was that

00:24:37.000 What we'd watch on here would be so broadly unbiased but straight away if you don't watch a lot of mainstream

00:24:44.000 Kamala Harris.

00:24:45.000 News.

00:24:46.000 It's staggering isn't it?

00:24:47.000 Yes.

00:24:48.000 What she wants to do for this nation.

00:24:50.000 Elections are about the future and Kamala Harris's vision for the future is a stark

00:24:55.000 contrast to the dangerous vision of the future that Donald Trump had.

00:25:00.000 One of less freedom and more chaos under Donald Trump.

00:25:03.000 I would like a little bit more chaos and a bit less freedom.

00:25:07.000 Right, so we've talked to surrogates from both campaigns.

00:25:10.000 So, um, thank you very much for joining me, Anbeer, and Gareth Roy, off-camera, who's assisting me with some insights.

00:25:15.000 prepare for big debates with tonight's showdown less than 14 minutes away.

00:25:36.000 I've mainly been watching X, and the various feeds from that.

00:25:39.000 It's interesting what just happened then, was... Cool, the, um, audio outcome just while I'm listening to Gareth, guys.

00:25:44.000 Trump's been saying how ABC are gonna be really biased against him, and they've said, no, of course not, and then just watched that.

00:25:51.000 That coverage was sort of unbelievable.

00:25:53.000 It's... just in the most ordinary way, normalising the idea that a future under Trump is dangerous, as they just explicitly said.

00:26:04.000 And Kamala Harris has a positive vision.

00:26:09.000 Just so you guys know this, this is not sort of a, by any means, an excuse.

00:26:14.000 We're so excited to be here with you.

00:26:17.000 Like, when I woke up at one o'clock in the morning, went to sleep, and woke up at one o'clock in the morning, it's so beautiful.

00:26:25.000 Such beautiful stars.

00:26:27.000 I'm completely delirious, singing.

00:26:30.000 I'm gonna go and watch this debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

00:26:35.000 The whole thing just doesn't actually quite seem real, so you'll have to bear that in mind when listening to some of my insights.

00:26:43.000 And bear is a German shepherd.

00:26:46.000 That's responding to a comment.

00:26:47.000 That last bit wasn't mental illness.

00:26:52.000 Sup, Quantum Nova?

00:26:53.000 What's up?

00:26:54.000 Tay Kimble Brooks, Freaky Monday.

00:26:55.000 How's it going?

00:26:56.000 Lapa Nick.

00:26:57.000 So what we're going to do is we're going to watch the debate together, sometimes in bafflement, sometimes in awe, and let us know what you lot think.

00:27:05.000 While you're watching along with us, I would like to say exclusively on Rumble, but of course the debate itself will be being widely streamed, I imagine, on ABC with what amounts to astonishing amounts of casual, easy propaganda.

00:27:23.000 A few things that you have to kind of check yourself around.

00:27:29.000 No one's talking about Covid and what happened in the pandemic and how extraordinary it was.

00:27:34.000 No one is talking about the various terrifying conflicts that are taking place around the world.

00:27:40.000 I'm saying no one, I mean no one in media.

00:27:43.000 And if you watched, I don't know if you've seen any of Eric Weinstein's performances, appearances lately, it's like he's just saying like, you know, we're Edging towards thermonuclear war as if it's ain't no thing.

00:27:58.000 So there's a few things to consider.

00:28:00.000 Thank you, Luke the dog.

00:28:02.000 Thank you so much.

00:28:03.000 What a beautiful compliment.

00:28:04.000 Thank you very much.

00:28:05.000 Um, is the, uh, can we put the, well, let's have, uh, ABC's content in this small in, in pip in the small screen, please guys for the output and this, or let's have it on at all times.

00:28:17.000 And actually this, and let's go to it now with audio.

00:28:23.000 Whose coverage is that?

00:28:25.000 Do you want to look?

00:28:32.000 The latest news is that Kamala Harris is going to have a mini podium compared to Trump's.

00:28:37.000 She's going to go for a little podium? 1.00

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:39.000 Right, this just in.

00:28:40.000 Kamala Harris's podium is regarded to be a mini podium.

00:28:44.000 We can confirm that now.

00:28:45.000 It's a podium, a diminutive one.

00:28:50.000 Elegant, is the way I'm going to describe it.

00:28:52.000 Can we have audio on the law please?

00:29:01.000 We'll do that.

00:29:04.000 That's just... That's what the news is, really.

00:29:06.000 really. Yeah, let's leave that now with audio. What's the output that we're watching on there

00:29:18.000 that's calling itself ABC Live?

00:29:21.000 And I'm Jonathan Carlton, Mary Bruce and Rachel Scott.

00:29:24.000 The candidates are just off the stage.

00:29:26.000 Well it's different from what we're watching.

00:29:28.000 They're in their hold rooms just minutes from making.

00:29:31.000 You get right in that zone.

00:29:32.000 So what's the disparity?

00:29:34.000 What's it like?

00:29:36.000 Well, it's stressful, but it's also that time you just say, "This is go time."

00:29:40.000 You get in your zone.

00:29:41.000 You get right in that zone.

00:29:42.000 The nominees, the candidates right now are thinking the same thing.

00:29:45.000 They've studied. They're going to go out. Open the grid.

00:29:48.000 Alright, well then let's bring somebody in who has been there both debating Donald Trump

00:29:53.000 and helping him prepare for General Election Day.

00:29:55.000 It's Chris Christie.

00:29:56.000 Former Governor of New York.

00:29:57.000 Listen, I can tell you now, this guy will not do any rehearsals.

00:30:01.000 Look, at this point, he's in the worst hour of his prep.

00:30:06.000 That's a minute quicker.

00:30:06.000 actually does. Bring us into that moment right now. What's going on with Donald Trump?

00:30:13.000 Look at this point. He's he's in the worst hour of his prep.

00:30:18.000 But that's a minute quicker. They're like a minute ahead there.

00:30:24.000 That's what ABC is putting out on their website.

00:30:27.000 And this is freezing sometimes, huh?

00:30:30.000 This one's freezing less.

00:30:37.000 You know what I mean.

00:30:38.000 so let me ask you the question yeah let me ask you the question I tried to ask Tom Cotton

00:30:43.000 he didn't exactly give me an answer but you will which Trump is going to show up tonight?

00:30:48.000 you know what I mean by that you know what I mean

00:30:50.000 who exactly are we going to be dealing with?

00:30:52.000 I think at the beginning of the debate the Trump who will show up will be the commer Donald Trump

00:30:58.000 (laughter)

00:31:00.000 inherently in the 2020 first thing as Joe Biden that the other Donald Trump is not the one that's a winning

00:31:08.000 formula don't bring him out

00:31:09.000 the question is going to be will he be able to continue to maintain that approach

00:31:14.000 through questioning by David and Lindsey and through

00:31:20.000 (no audio)

00:31:23.000 Center in We're on YouTube as well, but we'll be on YouTube maybe for the first 15 minutes.

00:31:33.000 Totally angelic.

00:31:34.000 I'm here to see your dog.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, here's my dog.

00:31:36.000 We're gonna pray together.

00:31:38.000 I can't do partisan prayer, Dixie Homestead. 0.90

00:31:43.000 Well, don't do that.

00:31:44.000 instilling her as a young lady. Look, she is steady on her feet, still in her resolve, and tonight she should talk to

00:31:51.000 the American people. Sit in their living rooms. Sit at their kitchen table. Look, look, look, look. That'd be unnerving. 0.91

00:31:58.000 Ideas that I want to share with you. There's so much that we have done together over the last four years. But here's

00:32:03.000 what I think we can do together over the next four years.

00:32:06.000 Be positive in our approach and really remind the American people that we don't want to go back to the chaos and the confusion, the disaster that made, of course, the American people go out in droves in 2020 to fire the former president.

00:32:20.000 Say, I want to be a president that lead all Americans.

00:32:23.000 I want to keep us strong and secure.

00:32:25.000 She's good, that woman.

00:32:26.000 That was a good condensation of cliche and without ever touching upon any of the things that might actually concern us.

00:32:35.000 We want a good pandemic reckoning.

00:32:38.000 We want an end to all wars.

00:32:41.000 We don't want Kamala Harris in your kitchen reminding us of her childhood. 0.97

00:32:48.000 Remember, don't worry about the global wars.

00:32:49.000 You get yourself some capped insulin.

00:32:50.000 Lauren, I don't have a cutter for this.

00:32:53.000 The people who can buy their insulin without paying over a thousand dollars...

00:32:57.000 Remember, don't worry about the global wars.

00:33:00.000 You get yourself some capped insulin.

00:33:03.000 Um, Lauren, um, I don't have a cutter for this.

00:33:07.000 Have you seen one anywhere?

00:33:09.000 ...not dragged back to another era.

00:33:12.000 And, and, Lawrence, I want your thoughts on...

00:33:15.000 prepped Donald Trump for debates back in 2016.

00:33:19.000 I believe...

00:33:20.000 What will he be doing right now with three minutes and 27 seconds to go?

00:33:24.000 What will Donald Trump do?

00:33:25.000 ...about talking about policies and what kind of president he will be.

00:33:31.000 Well he certainly can be.

00:33:32.000 I mean, the reality is Donald Trump doesn't have a lot to lose tonight.

00:33:36.000 I mean, his support has always been almost unmovable.

00:33:40.000 So, the second piece is the honeymoon, I think, is over for Kamala Harris.

00:33:45.000 And you all kind of touched on it with Donna.

00:33:48.000 Kamala Harris has to answer for the state of the economy that she took a role in, in the Biden administration. 0.95

00:33:54.000 the border, you know, her past positions on decriminalizing the border, decriminalizing 0.99

00:34:00.000 certain drugs, what her role was in Afghanistan. So really the spotlight is on Kamala Harris

00:34:07.000 tonight because she played a role in the Biden administration, she wants to act like she's not

00:34:11.000 an incumbent. So this is where the focus... That's the first time that there's been anything other

00:34:16.000 than unbridled condemnation.

00:34:19.000 That sounded somewhat balanced.

00:34:22.000 She's in the spotlight, Donald Trump doesn't have a lot to lose.

00:34:27.000 Everything else is like, we don't want more chaos and danger and madness.

00:34:31.000 And the other thing I enjoyed about watching Eric Weinstein was when he said, like, where's Joe Biden gone?

00:34:38.000 Like, has he just been sort of extracted from office?

00:34:41.000 When you take a step back, you recognize that what's being normalized is staggering.

00:34:47.000 But I also think that, just like he did in the first debate against Joe Biden, I think the formula here... Previous is a Republican, right?

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:55.000 Like, so, sort of, partisanship sounds like neutrality.

00:34:59.000 So normalised has, um, the, sort of, ongoing democratic bias been on legacy media.

00:35:06.000 For those of you joining us live on Rumble, we'll be accompanying you for the debate.

00:35:17.000 Let us know your comments, like you.

00:35:24.000 We'll be doing this from a British perspective, but also I'm explaining American politics to my dog.

00:35:30.000 Now what happens in American politics, Bear, Unlike British or canine politics, is the legacy media roots for one side.

00:35:38.000 And because that party once had better values in, say, I don't know, the 1960s, we all pretend it's not been captured by the military-industrial complex and pharmaceutical industry.

00:35:49.000 Does that make sense to you?

00:35:50.000 Or if it does, we'll be streaming throughout the debate.

00:35:53.000 Remember, in my country, well not my country, I just live in it, It's quite late at night now and I'm delirious.

00:36:00.000 I'm so delirious I can't even set fire to this in all good faith.

00:36:04.000 Hey, Miss Vale.

00:36:05.000 Hey, called the sun.

00:36:07.000 Hey, Earthlight Promotions.

00:36:09.000 Let me know if anything unusual happens on X-Gal.

00:36:14.000 Not unusual, informative.

00:36:17.000 So I've got Joy Reid talking about how Trump is the oldest person to ever run for president, which is hilarious, really.

00:36:27.000 Oldest person?

00:36:28.000 She's criticizing Trump.

00:36:29.000 She's like, he's the oldest person to ever run for president.

00:36:31.000 They keep forgetting about Biden, don't they?

00:36:34.000 It's like he literally is just deleted from history now.

00:36:36.000 Because I remember Joy Reid, oh wicked, nice one mate. 0.96

00:36:40.000 Joy Reid in particular was one of those people that said like, you know, I will vote for a dead Joe Biden over, over Donald Trump.

00:36:47.000 And like the issue of age, oh that's so brilliant, I'm so glad that you found that and surprised actually.

00:36:52.000 Thanks Lauren.

00:36:53.000 Like it was like it was verbodent.

00:36:54.000 Uh oh, it is sideways head man.

00:36:56.000 Oh no, what's his name again?

00:36:58.000 Eric Weir.

00:36:59.000 Alan Weir.

00:37:00.000 David Muir.

00:37:01.000 David Muir.

00:37:02.000 I had a rhyme of it.

00:37:04.000 David Muir.

00:37:05.000 Look, put your head forward.

00:37:07.000 Now he's got someone next to him to the side.

00:37:09.000 He's more sideways than ever.

00:37:12.000 David, face the front.

00:37:13.000 Imagine being David Muir's fourth grade teacher all day long.

00:37:18.000 Face the front, David.

00:37:20.000 For me, this is as front as I go.

00:37:22.000 I will not face the front and I will not face the facts on ABC News.

00:37:29.000 Oh dear, right.

00:37:30.000 Another clip on X. You can see why they want to delete Biden.

00:37:33.000 Biden's been interviewed about the debate and he said, oh Kamala's gonna do great and tomorrow I'll be doing 9-11.

00:37:40.000 Oh no!

00:37:43.000 Don't do another 9-11!

00:37:45.000 That was a catastrophe!

00:37:47.000 We all remember that.

00:37:50.000 Totally angelic.

00:37:52.000 A long time fan of you, Russell.

00:37:53.000 First time ever interacting in a chat.

00:37:54.000 I'm so grateful for your content.

00:37:55.000 Thank you for coming in here.

00:37:57.000 You're very welcome.

00:37:58.000 We're doing the news on ABC.

00:38:00.000 We're taking a sideways look at the news, quite literally, because I've crooked my neck and I always face... Is it his nose, in fact?

00:38:06.000 If I was that anchor lady, I'd get him by the chin and I'd rotate him 10-15 degrees to the front. 0.68

00:38:11.000 This is what they're saying now.

00:38:12.000 I do love propaganda.

00:38:15.000 For Vice President Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st.

00:38:21.000 Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June.

00:38:25.000 Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic.

00:38:29.000 And that brings us to the rules of tonight's debate.

00:38:31.000 90 minutes with two commercial breaks.

00:38:33.000 No topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns.

00:38:36.000 The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions, and this is the clock.

00:38:39.000 That's what they'll be seeing.

00:38:40.000 Two minutes for rebuttals, and one minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses.

00:38:45.000 Their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak.

00:38:48.000 No pre-written notes allowed.

00:38:50.000 There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Centre.

00:38:53.000 This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met.

00:38:57.000 President Trump won the coin toss, he chose to deliver the final...

00:39:00.000 Everyone gets so absolutely excited about this stuff, like sideways head man David Muir.

00:39:05.000 This is a debate in an intimate setting.

00:39:08.000 You think this is an intimate debate?

00:39:09.000 Look at this debate.

00:39:10.000 Me, a blanket, bear, in England, in the middle of the night, live watch along.

00:39:14.000 Join us.

00:39:15.000 Come on over to Rumble.

00:39:16.000 Join this giddy, giddy chat for this glorious debate.

00:39:20.000 Oh my god, I can't wait.

00:39:21.000 It's like they're really shaking hands.

00:39:22.000 Let's go.

00:39:24.000 Good luck.

00:39:24.000 War?

00:39:24.000 to have you it's an honor to have you both here tonight good evening we are

00:39:27.000 looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate so let's get started

00:39:31.000 good luck is their number one issue and that is the economy and the

00:39:37.000 cost of living in this country vice president Harris you and more four years

00:39:41.000 ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his

00:39:45.000 supporters are you better off than you were four years ago when it comes to the economy I

00:39:50.000 believe Americans are better off that they were four years ago so I 0.96

00:39:55.000 was raised as a middle-class kid

00:39:57.000 And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people.

00:40:04.000 Gotta raise them up!

00:40:05.000 I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people.

00:40:10.000 And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy.

00:40:16.000 Because here's the thing.

00:40:17.000 We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing.

00:40:22.000 And the cost of housing is too expensive for our... You might observe at this point the 2019...

00:40:29.000 Policies.

00:40:29.000 The 2019 policies are so distinct from the rhetoric in 2024 that one wonders if there is a clear vision or any consistency.

00:40:38.000 I'm speaking specifically about Kamala.

00:40:40.000 Now watch Donald Trump's face.

00:40:42.000 What's he coming for?

00:40:44.000 for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually, my

00:40:50.000 mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us, we call

00:40:54.000 her our second mother, she was a small business owner. She was a small business 1.00

00:40:58.000 owner, she was a mouse, it was a mouse business, she was selling cheese from a 1.00

00:41:01.000 mouse hole. I care about mouses. To start up small businesses, knowing they are part of the 1.00

00:41:06.000 backbone of America's economy. A lot of people in the chat saying Kamala's dodging the

00:41:10.000 question. His plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for

00:41:15.000 billionaires and big corporations, which will result in five trillion dollars to

00:41:20.000 America's deficit. I will say, her hair looks great. I call the Trump sales tax,

00:41:25.000 which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through

00:41:31.000 the month.

00:41:32.000 Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 a year.

00:41:40.000 He don't like this Trump sales tax being criticised, gal. 0.94

00:41:44.000 He's got comebacks.

00:41:45.000 If that mic weren't muted... ...the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

00:41:52.000 President Trump, I'll give you two minutes.

00:41:54.000 First of all, I have no sales tax.

00:41:56.000 That's an incorrect statement.

00:41:57.000 She knows that.

00:41:58.000 We're doing tariffs on other countries.

00:42:00.000 Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done

00:42:05.000 for the world.

00:42:07.000 And the tariff will be substantial in some cases.

00:42:10.000 I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China.

00:42:13.000 In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't.

00:42:17.000 It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do.

00:42:20.000 They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places they've left the tariffs on.

00:42:25.000 When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation.

00:42:28.000 Look, we've had a terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a Inflation.

00:42:34.000 Now he's got inflation plus he's hitting the word tariff very hard.

00:42:39.000 You know, them tariffs, that's the bloodbath statement.

00:42:43.000 I think already she's done a bit of scratchy face nervousness.

00:42:46.000 They've gone on to the single on Trump.

00:42:48.000 I think because Kamala looks nervous.

00:42:51.000 been a disaster for people for the middle class but for every class on top 0.94

00:42:55.000 of that we have millions of people pouring into our country from all

00:42:59.000 straightened with immigration institutions and insane asylum and

00:43:03.000 they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now in a

00:43:08.000 way if they can go straight from a mental institution into a steady job

00:43:11.000 you've got to say they're doing good work at the institution and you see

00:43:14.000 what's happening you see what's happening with towns throughout the

00:43:17.000 United States you look at Springfield Ohio you look at Aurora in Colorado they

00:43:23.000 are taking over the towns they're taking over buildings they're going in violently

00:43:27.000 these are the people that she and I'll just say, this is my first impression, that Kamala attempts to evoke a folksy, homey, homespun feel from her own childhood.

00:43:38.000 We had this friend who ran a small business and I'm gonna support ordinary people.

00:43:43.000 This is sort of like an optimistic but vague offering.

00:43:47.000 Trump is able to offer you a sort of this depiction of the dystopia that we feel like we're experiencing.

00:43:53.000 Mass immigration, towns falling apart. 1.00

00:43:57.000 Donald Trump left us.

00:43:59.000 Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.

00:44:05.000 Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century.

00:44:11.000 Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.

00:44:19.000 And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess.

00:44:22.000 What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people.

00:44:29.000 But I'm going to tell you on this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook.

00:44:35.000 A bunch of lies, grievances, and name-calling.

00:44:38.000 What you're going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again.

00:44:50.000 I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together, knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us, And I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.

00:45:04.000 President Trump will give you a minute here to respond.

00:45:06.000 Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025.

00:45:12.000 That's out there.

00:45:13.000 I haven't read it.

00:45:14.000 I don't want to read it, purposely.

00:45:16.000 I'm not going to read it.

00:45:17.000 This was a group of people that got together.

00:45:19.000 They came up with some ideas.

00:45:20.000 I guess some good, some bad.

00:45:22.000 But it makes no difference.

00:45:23.000 I have nothing to do.

00:45:24.000 Everybody knows I'm an open book.

00:45:25.000 Everybody knows what I'm going to do.

00:45:27.000 Taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before.

00:45:32.000 We had the greatest economy.

00:45:33.000 We got hit with a pandemic and the pandemic was not since 1917 where 100 million people died.

00:45:40.000 Has there been anything like it?

00:45:41.000 We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.

00:45:44.000 We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in.

00:45:52.000 Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

00:45:54.000 We made ventilators for the entire world.

00:45:56.000 We got gowns.

00:45:57.000 We got masks.

00:45:58.000 We did things that nobody thought possible.

00:46:00.000 And people give me credit for rebuilding the military.

00:46:03.000 They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic.

00:46:08.000 But the only jobs they got were bounce-back jobs.

00:46:10.000 These were jobs bounce-back, and it bounced back and went to their benefit, but I was the one that created them.

00:46:17.000 They know it, and so does everybody else.

00:46:22.000 Donald Trump has no plan for you.

00:46:25.000 And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people.

00:46:30.000 I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America.

00:46:43.000 What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse, mine would strengthen the economy.

00:46:50.000 What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan Would actually explode the deficit.

00:46:58.000 16 Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession.

00:47:08.000 You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues.

00:47:12.000 And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is

00:47:17.000 more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

00:47:21.000 It's just a soundbite.

00:47:23.000 Thank you for that to say.

00:47:24.000 Look, I went to the Wharton School of Finance and many of those professors, the top professors,

00:47:30.000 think my plan is a brilliant plan.

00:47:31.000 It's a great plan.

00:47:32.000 It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country.

00:47:36.000 It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create

00:47:41.000 a lot of good, solid money for our country.

00:47:45.000 And just to finish off, she doesn't have a plan.

00:47:49.000 She copied Biden's plan, and it's like four sentences, like run, spot, run.

00:47:56.000 Four sentences that are just, oh, we'll try and lower taxes.

00:48:00.000 She doesn't have a plan. 0.63

00:48:01.000 Take a look at her plan.

00:48:02.000 She doesn't have a plan. 0.63

00:48:03.000 Mr. President, I do want to drill down on something you both brought up.

00:48:06.000 The Vice President brought up your tariffs.

00:48:09.000 You responded, and let's drill down on this, because your plan is what she calls essentially a national sales tax. 1.00

00:48:15.000 Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board.

00:48:19.000 You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20% on goods coming into this country.

00:48:25.000 As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer.

00:48:30.000 Vice President Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year.

00:48:39.000 Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?

00:48:42.000 They're not going to have higher prices.

00:48:44.000 What's going to happen, who's going to have higher prices, is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years.

00:48:51.000 I charge, I was the only president ever China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so were other countries and you know if she doesn't like him they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs but those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration.

00:49:07.000 We are going to take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:49:13.000 I had no inflation, virtually no inflation.

00:49:16.000 They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never

00:49:20.000 seen a worse period of time.

00:49:21.000 People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else.

00:49:26.000 The people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done.

00:49:31.000 They've destroyed the economy and all you have to do is look at a poll.

00:49:34.000 The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 percent that the Trump economy was great that their economy was terrible.

00:49:42.000 Vice President Harris I do want to ask for your response and you heard what the president said there because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place so how do you respond?

00:49:51.000 Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America.

00:49:59.000 He invited trade wars.

00:50:01.000 You want to talk about his deal with China, what he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China.

00:50:12.000 To help them improve and modernize their military basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century.

00:50:26.000 Which means focusing on the details of what that requires.

00:50:30.000 Focusing on relationships with our allies.

00:50:32.000 Focusing on investing in American-based technology so that we win the race on AI, on quantum computing.

00:50:40.000 Focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we don't end up having, on the short end of the stick, in terms of workers' rights.

00:50:50.000 But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi for what he did during COVID.

00:50:59.000 Look at his tweet.

00:51:00.000 Thank you President Xi!

00:51:04.000 When we know that she was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.

00:51:11.000 President Trump, I'll let you respond.

00:51:12.000 First of all, they bought the chips from Taiwan.

00:51:15.000 We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like they have.

00:51:22.000 I don't say her because she has no policy.

00:51:24.000 Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.

00:51:29.000 She's going to my philosophy now.

00:51:31.000 In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat.

00:51:33.000 She's gone to my philosophy.

00:51:34.000 But if she ever got elected, she'd change it.

00:51:37.000 And it will be the end of our country.

00:51:40.000 She's a Marxist.

00:51:41.000 Everybody knows she's a Marxist.

00:51:43.000 Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well.

00:51:48.000 But when you look at what she's done to our country, and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it's a lot higher than the 21, that's bigger than New York State pouring in.

00:52:05.000 And just look at what they're doing to our country.

00:52:07.000 They're criminals. 0.99

00:52:08.000 Many of these people coming in are criminals. 0.98

00:52:10.000 And that's bad for our economy, too.

00:52:12.000 You know, you mentioned before, we'll talk about immigration later.

00:52:15.000 Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy. 1.00

00:52:19.000 They have, and she has, destroyed our country with policy that's insane. 0.81

00:52:26.000 Almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country.

00:52:31.000 I want to turn to the issue of abortion.

00:52:33.000 President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v. Wade last year.

00:52:38.000 You said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history.

00:52:43.000 Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights.

00:52:48.000 In your home state of Florida, you surprised many with regard to your six-week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short.

00:52:55.000 And you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that we need More than six weeks.

00:52:59.000 But then, the very next day, you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six-week ban.

00:53:05.000 Vice President Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion because you've changed your position so many times.

00:53:12.000 Therefore, why should they trust you?

00:53:14.000 Well, the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know the vote is,

00:53:19.000 they have abortion in the ninth month.

00:53:22.000 They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of

00:53:26.000 West Virginia, not the current governor, is doing an excellent job, but the governor before,

00:53:31.000 he said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. 0.90

00:53:36.000 In other words, we'll execute the baby.

00:53:38.000 And that's why I did that, because that predominates. 0.99

00:53:41.000 Because they're radical.

00:53:42.000 The Democrats are radical in that.

00:53:44.000 And her vice-presidential pick, which I think is a horrible pick, by the way, for our country, because he is really out of it.

00:53:51.000 But her vice-presidential pick... 1.00

00:53:55.000 It's absolutely fine.

00:53:57.000 He also says execution after birth.

00:54:00.000 It's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born is okay.

00:54:04.000 And that's not okay with me, hence the vote.

00:54:07.000 But what I did is something for 52 years they've been trying to get Roe v. Wade into the states.

00:54:14.000 And through the genius and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that.

00:54:24.000 Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. 0.64

00:54:29.000 I believe strongly in it.

00:54:30.000 Ronald Reagan did also.

00:54:31.000 Eighty-five percent of Republicans do.

00:54:33.000 Exceptions.

00:54:34.000 Very important.

00:54:35.000 But we were able to get it, and now states are voting on it.

00:54:39.000 And for the first time, you're going to see—look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years.

00:54:47.000 Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote.

00:54:57.000 And that's what happened.

00:54:58.000 Happened.

00:54:58.000 Now, Ohio?

00:55:00.000 The vote was somewhat liberal.

00:55:02.000 Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal.

00:55:04.000 Much more liberal than people would have thought.

00:55:06.000 But each individual state is voting.

00:55:09.000 It's the vote of the people now.

00:55:11.000 It's not tied up in the federal government.

00:55:13.000 I did a great service in doing it.

00:55:14.000 It took courage to do it.

00:55:16.000 And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it.

00:55:18.000 And I give tremendous credit to those six justices.

00:55:22.000 There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.

00:55:26.000 Madam Vice President, I want to get your response to President Trump.

00:55:29.000 Well, as I said, you're going to hear a bunch of lies, and that's not actually a surprising fact.

00:55:34.000 Let's understand how we got here.

00:55:37.000 Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade.

00:55:46.000 And they did exactly as he intended.

00:55:48.000 And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide healthcare.

00:55:59.000 In one state, it provides prison for life.

00:56:03.000 Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means.

00:56:08.000 A survivor of a crime, a violation to their body, does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next.

00:56:17.000 That is immoral.

00:56:19.000 And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree.

00:56:25.000 The government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. 0.63

00:56:32.000 I have talked with women around our country.

00:56:35.000 You want to talk about this is what people wanted?

00:56:38.000 Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail, and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot.

00:56:53.000 She didn't want that. 0.50

00:56:54.000 Her husband didn't want that.

00:56:55.000 A 12 or 13 year old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term.

00:57:03.000 They don't want that.

00:57:05.000 And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v. Wade as President of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law.

00:57:18.000 But understand, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected, He will sign a national abortion ban.

00:57:24.000 Understand in his project 2025, there would be a national abortion, a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.

00:57:33.000 I think the American people believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government.

00:57:43.000 Thank you Vice President Harris.

00:57:45.000 Well there she goes again.

00:57:46.000 It's a lie.

00:57:48.000 I'm not signing a ban and there's no reason to sign a ban because we've gotten what everybody wanted.

00:57:54.000 Democrats, Republicans and everybody else and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states and the states are voting and it may take a little time But for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart.

00:58:10.000 And they wanted it back in the states.

00:58:12.000 And I did something that nobody thought was possible.

00:58:15.000 The states are now voting.

00:58:17.000 What she says is an absolute lie.

00:58:20.000 And as far as the abortion ban, no, I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states.

00:58:28.000 Would you veto a national abortion ban if it came to your desk?

00:58:31.000 Well, I won't have to because, again, two things.

00:58:34.000 Number one, she said she'll go back to Congress. 0.95

00:58:35.000 She'll never get the vote.

00:58:36.000 It's impossible for her to get the vote, especially now with 50-50, essentially 50-50 in both Senate and the House. 0.98

00:58:44.000 She's not going to get the vote.

00:58:46.000 She can't get the vote.

00:58:46.000 She won't even come close to it.

00:58:48.000 So it's just talk.

00:58:49.000 You know what it reminds me of?

00:58:50.000 When they said they're going to get student loans terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe.

00:58:56.000 The student loans.

00:58:56.000 And then her, I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach.

00:59:03.000 But look, Her boss went out and said, we'll do it again, we'll do it a different way.

00:59:07.000 And he went out, got rejected again by the Supreme Court.

00:59:10.000 So all these students got taunted with this whole thing about, this whole idea.

00:59:15.000 And how unfair that would have been, part of the reason they lost, to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans.

00:59:23.000 They didn't get it for free.

00:59:24.000 But they were saying, it's the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion.

00:59:29.000 But if I could just get a yes or no, because you're running me, J.D.

00:59:32.000 Vance has said that you would veto if it did come to your desk.

00:59:36.000 Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D.

00:59:38.000 In all fairness, J.D., and I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't.

00:59:46.000 We don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it, just like she couldn't get student loans.

00:59:51.000 They couldn't get student loans.

00:59:52.000 They didn't even come close to getting student loans.

00:59:54.000 They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans.

00:59:59.000 They can never get this approved.

01:00:00.000 So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress.

01:00:03.000 Oh, wonderful.

01:00:03.000 Let's go to Congress.

01:00:04.000 Do it.

01:00:05.000 But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government.

01:00:09.000 And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done.

01:00:12.000 And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.

01:00:15.000 Vice President Harris, I want to give you your time to respond, but I do want to ask, would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion?

01:00:22.000 I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v. Wade, and as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America Is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion. 0.83

01:00:38.000 That is not happening.

01:00:39.000 It's insulting to the women of America. 1.00

01:00:42.000 And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans.

01:00:46.000 Couples who pray and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments.

01:00:54.000 What is happening in our country?

01:00:57.000 Working people, working women, who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford child care as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the health care she needs. 0.99

01:01:15.000 Barely can afford to do it, and what you are putting her through is unconscionable.

01:01:21.000 And the people of America have not—the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, the people of America have voted for freedom.

01:01:41.000 I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization.

01:01:47.000 I have been a leader.

01:01:49.000 In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts, I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in.

01:02:00.000 I've been a leader on it.

01:02:01.000 They know that and everybody else knows it.

01:02:04.000 I have been a leader on fertilization IVF.

01:02:07.000 And the other thing, they, you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month? 0.89

01:02:15.000 Come on.

01:02:16.000 Okay, would you do that?

01:02:18.000 Why don't you ask her that question?

01:02:20.000 That's the problem.

01:02:21.000 Because under Roe v. Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. 0.88

01:02:30.000 Just look at the former governor of Virginia.

01:02:33.000 The governor of Virginia said, we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby.

01:02:38.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:02:39.000 We're going to turn now to immigration and border security.

01:02:42.000 We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country.

01:02:47.000 Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America.

01:02:53.000 We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration.

01:02:57.000 This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions.

01:03:01.000 We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly.

01:03:04.000 But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act?

01:03:10.000 And would you have done anything differently for President Biden on this?

01:03:13.000 So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings.

01:03:23.000 And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill which I supported.

01:03:34.000 And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job. 0.92

01:03:44.000 It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States.

01:03:49.000 I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected.

01:03:53.000 By the surge of fentanyl in our country.

01:03:56.000 That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings.

01:04:04.000 But you know what happened to that bill?

01:04:07.000 Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress, and said, kill the bill.

01:04:12.000 And you know why?

01:04:13.000 Because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.

01:04:18.000 And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand.

01:04:32.000 But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.

01:04:37.000 And I'll tell you something, he's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised.

01:04:43.000 And I'm going to actually do something really unusual, and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies, because it's a really interesting thing to watch.

01:04:51.000 You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.

01:04:57.000 He will talk about when mills cause cancer.

01:05:00.000 And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early, out of exhaustion and boredom.

01:05:06.000 And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you.

01:05:10.000 You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires.

01:05:15.000 And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first.

01:05:20.000 And I pledge to you that I will.

01:05:22.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:05:23.000 President Trump, on that point, I want to get your response.

01:05:25.000 Well, I would like to respond.

01:05:25.000 Let me just ask though, why did you try to kill that bill, and successfully so, that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the board?

01:05:32.000 First let me respond is to the rallies.

01:05:34.000 She said people start leaving.

01:05:36.000 People don't go to her rallies.

01:05:37.000 There's no reason to go.

01:05:39.000 He's offended by the rally thing.

01:05:40.000 He doesn't like that.

01:05:43.000 And then showing them in a different light.

01:05:46.000 So she can't talk about that.

01:05:47.000 People don't leave my rallies.

01:05:49.000 The biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics.

01:05:52.000 That's because people want to take their country back.

01:05:55.000 Our country is being lost.

01:05:57.000 We're a failing nation.

01:05:59.000 And it happened three and a half years ago.

01:06:01.000 And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War III, just to go into another subject.

01:06:07.000 What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. 0.97

01:06:17.000 And a lot of towns don't want to talk.

01:06:18.000 It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.

01:06:20.000 A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.

01:06:24.000 In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.

01:06:29.000 They're eating the cats.

01:06:30.000 They're eating They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

01:06:36.000 And this is what's happening in our country.

01:06:38.000 And it's a shame.

01:06:40.000 As far as rallies are concerned, as far as... The reason they go is they like what I say.

01:06:46.000 They want to bring our country back.

01:06:48.000 They want to make America great again.

01:06:49.000 It's a very simple phrase.

01:06:51.000 Make America great again.

01:06:53.000 She's destroying this country.

01:06:55.000 And if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. 0.99

01:06:59.000 Not only success, We'll end up being Venezuela on steroids.

01:07:04.000 I just want to clarify here.

01:07:05.000 You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there.

01:07:10.000 He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.

01:07:18.000 Well, I've seen people on television!

01:07:19.000 Let me just say here...

01:07:21.000 My dog was taken and used for food, so maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.

01:07:28.000 I'm not taking this from television.

01:07:29.000 I'm taking it from the city manager.

01:07:31.000 I don't trust television.

01:07:32.000 You can't rely on those guys.

01:07:33.000 They don't even face the front.

01:07:35.000 You talk about extreme.

01:07:44.000 You know, this is I think one of the reasons why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, as well as numerous cats and dogs.

01:08:01.000 Former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congressmember Liz Cheney.

01:08:06.000 And if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him.

01:08:16.000 His former Chief of Staff, a four-star general, has said he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States.

01:08:23.000 His former National Security Advisor has said he is dangerous and unfit.

01:08:27.000 I think reveling in the Bush-Cheney endorsements, former Bush staffers and the Cheney family is where you see how the Democratic Party is repoed as a party of war.

01:08:43.000 And I wonder if the subject of war will come up.

01:08:48.000 you a quick minute to respond. Thank you because when I hear that, see I'm a

01:08:53.000 different kind of a person. I fired most of those people, not so graciously. They

01:08:58.000 did bad things or a bad job. I fired them. They never fired one person. They didn't

01:09:04.000 fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 1.00

01:09:07.000 people who were just killed, viciously and violently killed.

01:09:13.000 And I got to know the parents and the family.

01:09:15.000 They didn't fire—they should have fired all those generals, all those top people, because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen.

01:09:25.000 So, when somebody does a bad job, I fire them.

01:09:28.000 And you take a guy like Esper. 0.88

01:09:30.000 He was no good.

01:09:31.000 I fired him.

01:09:31.000 So he writes a book.

01:09:32.000 Another one writes a book, because with me they can write books.

01:09:35.000 With nobody else can they.

01:09:36.000 But they have done such a poor job, and they never fire anybody.

01:09:41.000 Look at the economy.

01:09:42.000 Look at the inflation.

01:09:44.000 They didn't fire any of their economists.

01:09:46.000 They have the same people.

01:09:47.000 That's a good way not to have books written about you.

01:09:51.000 But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far.

01:09:57.000 In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president, in history by far.

01:10:04.000 Let me continue on immigration.

01:10:05.000 It was what you wanted to talk about earlier, so let's get back to your deportation proposal that the Vice President has reacted to as well.

01:10:13.000 President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country.

01:10:18.000 You say you would use the National Guard.

01:10:19.000 You say if things get out of control, you'd have no problem using the U.S.

01:10:22.000 military.

01:10:23.000 You also said you would use local police.

01:10:26.000 How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants?

01:10:29.000 I know you believe that number is much higher.

01:10:32.000 Well, take us through this.

01:10:33.000 What does this look like?

01:10:34.000 Will authorities be going door-to-door in this country?

01:10:37.000 It is much higher because of them.

01:10:40.000 They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals.

01:10:43.000 They allowed terrorists.

01:10:45.000 They allowed common street criminals. 0.98

01:10:47.000 They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country, and they're now in the United States and told by their countries, like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you. 0.98

01:10:59.000 Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down?

01:11:05.000 You know why?

01:11:06.000 Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to

01:11:10.000 put into our country. 0.98

01:11:11.000 And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow, and I think

01:11:17.000 they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes, but it's not worth it

01:11:21.000 because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done.

01:11:25.000 There's never been anything done like this at all.

01:11:28.000 They've destroyed the fabric of our country.

01:11:31.000 Millions of people let in.

01:11:33.000 And all over the world, crime is down all over the world except here.

01:11:37.000 Crime here is up and through the roof, despite their fraudulent statements that they made.

01:11:42.000 Crime in this country is through the roof.

01:11:44.000 And we have a new form of crime, it's called migrant crime. 1.00

01:11:47.000 And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.

01:11:50.000 President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down on this country.

01:11:55.000 Excuse me, the FBI defrauded.

01:11:56.000 They were defrauding statements.

01:11:58.000 They didn't include the worst cities.

01:12:00.000 They didn't include the cities with the worst crime.

01:12:03.000 It was a fraud, just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud.

01:12:10.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:12:11.000 I'll let you respond, Vice President Harris.

01:12:12.000 Well, I think this is so rich, coming from someone who has been prosecuted.

01:12:18.000 for national security crimes, economic crimes, election interference, has been found liable for sexual assault, and his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing.

01:12:35.000 And let's be clear, where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement.

01:12:45.000 The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents, get this, on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts.

01:12:57.000 So let's talk about what is important in this race.

01:13:00.000 It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people.

01:13:11.000 Address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for.

01:13:16.000 Address what we must do to support our small businesses.

01:13:20.000 Address bringing down the price of groceries. 0.98

01:13:23.000 Frankly, the American people are exhausted with this same old tired playbook.

01:13:28.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:13:29.000 Excuse me.

01:13:31.000 Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent.

01:13:35.000 And I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest of the appeal.

01:13:39.000 And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court.

01:13:43.000 I'm winning most of them.

01:13:44.000 But those are cases, it's called weaponization.

01:13:47.000 Never happened in this country.

01:13:49.000 They weaponized the Justice Department.

01:13:51.000 Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ, from Atlanta and Fawny Willis to the Attorney General of New York and the D.A.

01:14:00.000 of New York, every one of those cases.

01:14:03.000 And then they say, oh, he was — he's a criminal.

01:14:07.000 They're the ones that made them go after me.

01:14:10.000 By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case.

01:14:14.000 And what happened in my documents case?

01:14:16.000 They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all.

01:14:18.000 A complete and total victory.

01:14:21.000 Two months ago, it was thrown out.

01:14:23.000 It's weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened in this country.

01:14:27.000 They used it to try and win an election.

01:14:30.000 They're fake cases.

01:14:31.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:14:32.000 A really quick response here, Vice President Harris, on this notion of weaponization of the Justice Department.

01:14:37.000 Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place.

01:14:43.000 The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again.

01:14:54.000 Understand, this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the Constitution of the United States.

01:15:02.000 That he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies.

01:15:07.000 Someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military.

01:15:13.000 Understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House

01:15:17.000 with no guardrails.

01:15:19.000 Because certainly we know now the court won't stop him.

01:15:22.000 We know J.D. Vance is not going to stop him.

01:15:24.000 It's up to the American people to stop him.

01:15:27.000 Vice President Harris, in your last run for president...

01:15:31.000 Can you weaponize, please?

01:15:32.000 This is the one that weaponized, not me.

01:15:35.000 She weaponized. 0.77

01:15:36.000 I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me.

01:15:42.000 They talk about democracy. 0.88

01:15:44.000 I'm a threat to democracy.

01:15:45.000 They're the threat to democracy.

01:15:47.000 With the fake Russia, Russia, Russia investigation, that went nowhere.

01:15:51.000 We have a lot to get to.

01:15:52.000 Lindsey?

01:15:53.000 Vice President Harris, in your last run for president, you said you wanted to ban fracking.

01:15:57.000 Now you don't.

01:15:58.000 You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons.

01:16:01.000 Now your campaign says you don't.

01:16:03.000 You supported decriminalizing border crossings.

01:16:06.000 Now you're taking a harder line.

01:16:07.000 I know you say that your values have not changed.

01:16:10.000 So then why have so many of your policy positions changed?

01:16:14.000 So my values have not changed, and I'm going to discuss at least every point that you've made.

01:16:20.000 But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania.

01:16:22.000 I made that very clear in 2020.

01:16:25.000 I will not ban fracking.

01:16:26.000 I have not banned fracking as Vice President of the United States.

01:16:29.000 And in fact, I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.

01:16:37.000 My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil.

01:16:46.000 We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over rely on foreign oil.

01:16:59.000 As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle class kid raised by a hardworking mother.

01:17:05.000 Who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager.

01:17:11.000 The values I bring to the importance of home ownership knowing not everybody got handed 400 million dollars on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times.

01:17:21.000 It's a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes, increase by 3 million homes by the end of my first term.

01:17:32.000 My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather.

01:17:39.000 And my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable.

01:17:50.000 My work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long-standing work that I have done protecting seniors from scams.

01:18:00.000 Didn't protect poor Joe Biden from scams!

01:18:04.000 That's one senior who's damned to have his job.

01:18:08.000 I'm going to be that president.

01:18:29.000 Well, first of all, I wasn't given $400 million.

01:18:31.000 I wish I was.

01:18:32.000 My father was a Brooklyn builder, Brooklyn-Queens, and a great father, and I learned a lot from him.

01:18:36.000 But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction, and I built it into many, many billions of dollars.

01:18:42.000 Many, many billions.

01:18:43.000 And when people see it, they are even surprised.

01:18:46.000 So we don't have to talk about that.

01:18:48.000 Fracking?

01:18:48.000 She's been against it for 12 years.

01:18:51.000 Defund the police?

01:18:52.000 She's been against that forever.

01:18:54.000 She gave all that stuff up very wrongly very horribly and everybody's laughing at it okay they're all laughing at it she gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies like she was big on defund the police in minnesota she went out wait a minute i'm talking now if you don't mind please does that sound familiar she went out

01:19:22.000 ...in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis, she went out and raised money to get them out of jail.

01:19:31.000 She did things that nobody would ever think of.

01:19:34.000 Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison. 1.00

01:19:39.000 This is a radical left liberal.

01:19:43.000 She wants to confiscate your guns, and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania. 1.00

01:19:48.000 If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one. 0.99

01:19:53.000 Just to finish, one thing, so important in my opinion.

01:19:56.000 So, I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before.

01:20:00.000 They took, when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up the roof.

01:20:08.000 They immediately let these guys go to where they were.

01:20:12.000 I would have been five times, four times, five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago.

01:20:19.000 They got it up to where I was because they had no choice because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling.

01:20:26.000 You saw what happened to gasoline.

01:20:28.000 So they said, let's go back to Trump.

01:20:29.000 But if she won the election the day after that election, They'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead, fossil fuel will be dead. 1.00

01:20:37.000 We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar, where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out of.

01:20:43.000 You ever see a solar plant?

01:20:44.000 By the way, I'm a big fan of solar.

01:20:46.000 But they take...

01:20:49.000 400, 500 acres of desert soil.

01:20:51.000 President Trump, we have a lot of issues that we have to get to.

01:20:54.000 We're out of time.

01:20:55.000 Thank you.

01:20:56.000 Lindsey, thank you.

01:20:57.000 We have an election in just 56 days and I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which of course we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis.

01:21:08.000 Mr. President, on January 6th you told your supporters to march to the Capitol.

01:21:11.000 You said you would be right there with them.

01:21:13.000 The country and the world saw what played out at the Capitol that that day, the officers coming under attack. Aides in the

01:21:19.000 West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office. You did send out

01:21:23.000 tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message telling

01:21:27.000 your supporters to go home. Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

01:21:33.000 You just said a thing that isn't covered.

01:21:36.000 Peacefully and patriotically.

01:21:38.000 I said during my speech, not later on.

01:21:41.000 Peacefully and patriotically.

01:21:44.000 And nobody on the other side was killed.

01:21:47.000 Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out-of-control police officer that should have never, ever shot her.

01:21:54.000 It's a disgrace.

01:21:55.000 But we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly.

01:22:00.000 I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in? 1.00

01:22:05.000 She was the Bordezar.

01:22:06.000 Remember that.

01:22:07.000 She was the Bordezar.

01:22:09.000 She doesn't want to be called the Bordezar because she's embarrassed by the Bordezar.

01:22:12.000 In fact, she said at the beginning, oh, I'm surprised you're not talking about the Bordezar yet.

01:22:15.000 That's because she knows what a bad job they've done.

01:22:19.000 What about those people?

01:22:20.000 When are they going to be prosecuted?

01:22:22.000 When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America, they're coming in from all over the world, David.

01:22:30.000 All over the world.

01:22:32.000 And crime rates are down all over the world because of it.

01:22:36.000 When are those people going to be prosecuted?

01:22:38.000 When are the people that burned down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted?

01:22:41.000 Or in Seattle?

01:22:42.000 They went into Seattle.

01:22:43.000 They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle.

01:22:46.000 When are those people going to be prosecuted?

01:22:49.000 But let me just ask you.

01:22:50.000 You might ask her that question.

01:22:51.000 You were the president.

01:22:52.000 You were watching it unfold on television.

01:22:53.000 It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election.

01:22:57.000 Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

01:23:01.000 I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech.

01:23:04.000 I showed up for a speech.

01:23:05.000 I said, I think it's going to be big.

01:23:07.000 I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C.

01:23:11.000 and the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.

01:23:14.000 I said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it.

01:23:19.000 And again, it wasn't done by me.

01:23:21.000 It was done by others.

01:23:22.000 I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers They rejected me.

01:23:27.000 Nancy Pelosi rejected me. 0.99

01:23:29.000 It was just two weeks ago.

01:23:31.000 Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened.

01:23:35.000 They want to get rid of that tape.

01:23:37.000 It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs.

01:23:42.000 I wasn't responsible for security.

01:23:44.000 Nancy Pelosi was responsible.

01:23:47.000 She didn't do her job.

01:23:48.000 The question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi, but I do want Vice President Harris to respond here.

01:23:55.000 I was at the Capitol on January 6th.

01:23:57.000 I was the vice president-elect.

01:24:00.000 I was also an acting senator.

01:24:02.000 I was there.

01:24:03.000 And on that day, the President of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's Capitol.

01:24:13.000 To desecrate our nation's Capitol.

01:24:16.000 On that day, 140 law enforcement officers were injured.

01:24:20.000 And some died.

01:24:22.000 And understand, the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason.

01:24:30.000 But this is not an isolated situation.

01:24:33.000 Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing anti-Semitic hate.

01:24:44.000 And what did the president then at the time say?

01:24:47.000 There were fine people on each side.

01:24:50.000 Let's remember.

01:24:52.000 That when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said, the former president said, stand back and stand by.

01:25:01.000 So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say we don't have to go back.

01:25:09.000 Let's not go back.

01:25:10.000 We're not going back.

01:25:12.000 It's time to turn the page.

01:25:14.000 And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand.

01:25:22.000 For country to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law, and to end the chaos, and to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome.

01:25:39.000 And be clear, on that point, Donald Trump, the candidate, had said in this election there will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking.

01:25:52.000 Let's turn the page on this.

01:25:54.000 Let's not go back.

01:25:55.000 Let's chart a course for the future, and not go backwards to the past.

01:26:01.000 Let me just follow up here.

01:26:03.000 It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business.

01:26:09.000 That was where Bloodbath was.

01:26:11.000 Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked.

01:26:15.000 Laura Ingram, Sean Hannity, Jesse, all of these people, they covered it.

01:26:21.000 If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect.

01:26:24.000 It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up, just like they bring 2025 up.

01:26:30.000 They bring all of this stuff up.

01:26:32.000 I ask you this, you talk about the Capitol.

01:26:35.000 Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border?

01:26:40.000 How come she's not doing anything?

01:26:41.000 And I'll tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it.

01:26:45.000 I would say we would both leave this debate right now.

01:26:48.000 I'd like to see her go down To Washington D.C. 0.75

01:26:52.000 during this debate, because we're wasting a lot of time, go down to—because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous—go down to Washington D.C.

01:26:59.000 and let her sign a bill to close up the border, because they have the right to do it. 1.00

01:27:04.000 They don't need bills.

01:27:05.000 They have the right to do it.

01:27:06.000 The president of the United States, you'll get him out of bed, you'll wake him up at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you'll say, come on, come on down to the office, let's sign a bill.

01:27:14.000 If he signs a bill that the The border is closed.

01:27:17.000 All he has to do is say it to the border patrol, who are phenomenal.

01:27:21.000 If they do that, the border is closed.

01:27:23.000 Those people are killing many people, unlike J6. 1.00

01:27:26.000 We talked immigration here tonight.

01:27:28.000 I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you, because it really brings us this into focus.

01:27:32.000 Truth in these times that we're living in.

01:27:35.000 Mr. President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide.

01:27:44.000 In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.

01:27:52.000 I said that?

01:27:53.000 Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020?

01:27:55.000 No, I don't acknowledge it at all.

01:27:57.000 I said that sarcastically, you know that.

01:27:59.000 We said, oh, we lost by a whisker.

01:28:01.000 That was said sarcastically.

01:28:03.000 Look, There's so much proof.

01:28:05.000 All you have to do is look at it.

01:28:06.000 And they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval.

01:28:10.000 I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten.

01:28:14.000 I was told if I got 63, which was what I got in 2016, you can't be beaten.

01:28:20.000 The election, people should never be thinking about it.

01:28:23.000 Election is fraudulent.

01:28:24.000 We need two things.

01:28:25.000 We need walls.

01:28:26.000 We need, and we have to have it, we have to have borders, and we have to have good elections.

01:28:31.000 Our elections are bad.

01:28:33.000 And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. 0.96

01:28:37.000 They can't even speak English, they don't even know what country they're in practically, and these people are trying to get them to vote.

01:28:43.000 And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country. 1.00

01:28:46.000 I did watch all of these pieces of video.

01:28:49.000 I didn't detect the sarcasm, lost by a whisker, we didn't quite make it.

01:28:52.000 And we should just point out here as clarification, and you know this, you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican.

01:28:58.000 No judge looked at it.

01:28:59.000 They said we didn't have standing.

01:29:01.000 That's the other thing.

01:29:02.000 They said we didn't have standing, a technicality.

01:29:05.000 Can you imagine a system Where a person in an election doesn't have standing, the President of the United States doesn't have standing.

01:29:13.000 That's how we lost.

01:29:14.000 If you look at the facts, and I'd love to have you do a special on it.

01:29:18.000 I'll show you Georgia, and I'll show you Wisconsin, and I'll show you Pennsylvania, and I'll show you... We have so many facts and statistics.

01:29:26.000 But you know what?

01:29:27.000 That doesn't matter.

01:29:28.000 Because we have to solve the problem that we have right now.

01:29:31.000 That's old news.

01:29:32.000 And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline, and they have put it into decline.

01:29:39.000 We have a nation that is dying, David.

01:29:42.000 Mr. President, thank you.

01:29:44.000 Vice President Harris, you heard the President there tonight.

01:29:46.000 He said he didn't say that, that he lost by a whisker.

01:29:48.000 So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself.

01:29:55.000 But I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days.

01:29:58.000 This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away.

01:30:03.000 He said, "When I win, those people who cheated"—and then he lists donors, voters, election officials—"will

01:30:08.000 be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences." 0.62

01:30:14.000 One of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying, "We won't let Donald Trump intimidate

01:30:18.000 We won't let him suppress the vote.

01:30:20.000 Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?

01:30:23.000 Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people.

01:30:27.000 So let's be clear about that.

01:30:29.000 And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that.

01:30:33.000 But we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the

01:30:43.000 voters in a free and fair election.

01:30:46.000 And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as Vice President of the United

01:30:50.000 States, and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump.

01:30:55.000 I have talked with military leaders, some of whom work with you, and they say you're 0.99

01:31:00.000 a disgrace. 0.91

01:31:01.000 [BLANK_AUDIO]

01:31:02.000 And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did in fact lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament Or the ability to not be confused about fact.

01:31:28.000 That's deeply troubling and the American people deserve better.

01:31:33.000 I'll give you one minute to respond, Mr. President.

01:31:34.000 Let me just tell you about world leaders.

01:31:36.000 Viktor Orban, one of the most respected men.

01:31:38.000 They call him a strong man.

01:31:40.000 He's a tough person.

01:31:42.000 Smart.

01:31:43.000 Prime Minister of Hungary.

01:31:44.000 They said, why is the whole world blowing up?

01:31:47.000 Three years ago it wasn't.

01:31:48.000 Why is it blowing up?

01:31:50.000 He said, because you need Trump back as president.

01:31:54.000 They were afraid of him.

01:31:55.000 China was afraid, and I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him. 0.93

01:31:59.000 China was afraid of him.

01:32:01.000 North Korea was afraid of him.

01:32:03.000 Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way.

01:32:05.000 He said Russia was afraid of him.

01:32:07.000 I ended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and Biden put it back on day one, but he ended the XL pipeline.

01:32:14.000 The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that.

01:32:18.000 But he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany.

01:32:22.000 The biggest pipeline in the world.

01:32:24.000 Look.

01:32:26.000 Victor Orban said it.

01:32:28.000 He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump.

01:32:33.000 We had no problems when Trump was president. 0.98

01:32:36.000 But when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her. 0.99

01:32:44.000 She got no votes. 0.99

01:32:45.000 He got 14 million votes.

01:32:46.000 When you did, you talk about a threat to democracy.

01:32:49.000 He got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office.

01:32:53.000 And you know what?

01:32:53.000 I'll give you a little secret.

01:32:54.000 He hates her. 0.78

01:32:55.000 He can't stand her.

01:32:57.000 But he got 14 million votes.

01:32:59.000 They threw him out.

01:33:00.000 She got zero votes.

01:33:02.000 And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed.

01:33:07.000 And now she's running.

01:33:08.000 I don't understand it, but I'm okay with it because I think we're going to do very well.

01:33:13.000 Turning now to the Israel-Hamas war and the hostages who are still being held, Americans among them.

01:33:19.000 Vice President Harris, in December you said, quote, Israel has a right to defend itself.

01:33:23.000 But you added, quote, it matters how, saying international humanitarian law must be respected.

01:33:29.000 Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.

01:33:32.000 You said that nine months ago.

01:33:33.000 Now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead.

01:33:37.000 Nearly 100 hostages remain.

01:33:39.000 Just last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making.

01:33:44.000 President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate.

01:33:47.000 How would you do it?

01:33:49.000 Well, let's understand how we got here.

01:33:52.000 On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis.

01:34:01.000 Many of them young people who were simply attending a concert. 0.94

01:34:05.000 Women were horribly raped.

01:34:08.000 And so absolutely, I said then, I say now, Israel has a right to defend itself. 0.58

01:34:13.000 We would.

01:34:14.000 And how it does so matters.

01:34:17.000 Because it is also true, far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed.

01:34:23.000 Children, mothers.

01:34:25.000 What we know is that this war must end.

01:34:29.000 It must end immediately and the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out.

01:34:37.000 And so we will continue to work around the clock on that.

01:34:41.000 Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution.

01:34:48.000 And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel, and an equal measure for the Palestinians.

01:34:56.000 But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it relates to Iran, and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel.

01:35:10.000 But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve.

01:35:21.000 President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza?

01:35:31.000 If I were president, it would have never started.

01:35:34.000 If I were president, Russia would have never, ever—I know Putin very well—it would have never—and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years—have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you added up.

01:35:48.000 Far worse than people understand what's going on over there.

01:35:51.000 But when she mentions about Israel, all of a sudden, she hates Israel.

01:35:56.000 She wouldn't even meet With Netanyahu, when he went to Congress to make a very important speech, she refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers.

01:36:05.000 She wanted to go to the sorority party. 0.97

01:36:07.000 She hates Israel.

01:36:09.000 If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now.

01:36:14.000 And I've been pretty good at predictions, and I hope I'm wrong about that one.

01:36:17.000 She hates Israel. 0.93

01:36:19.000 At the same time, in her own way, She hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up. 0.99

01:36:28.000 Arabs, Jewish people, Israel. 0.99

01:36:31.000 Israel will be gone. 0.98

01:36:33.000 It would have never happened.

01:36:35.000 Iran was broke under Donald Trump.

01:36:37.000 Now Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had.

01:36:42.000 Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different Uh, spheres of terror.

01:36:50.000 And they are spheres of terror.

01:36:51.000 Horrible terror.

01:36:53.000 They had no money.

01:36:54.000 It was a big story, and you know it.

01:36:55.000 You covered it very well, actually.

01:36:57.000 They had no money for terror.

01:37:00.000 They were broke.

01:37:01.000 Now they're a rich nation, and now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.

01:37:07.000 Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen.

01:37:10.000 Look at what's going on in the Middle East.

01:37:13.000 This would have never happened.

01:37:14.000 I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended.

01:37:20.000 If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president.

01:37:25.000 Vice President Harris, he says you hate Israel.

01:37:28.000 That's absolutely not true.

01:37:30.000 I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people.

01:37:36.000 He knows that.

01:37:37.000 He's trying to, again, divide and distract from the reality, which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy.

01:37:49.000 It is well known that he admires dictators He wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself.

01:37:57.000 It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.

01:38:06.000 It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant. 1.00

01:38:12.000 It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un.

01:38:17.000 And it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear they can manipulate you with flattery and favors. 0.98

01:38:32.000 And that is why So many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace.

01:38:40.000 That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security, including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military.

01:38:54.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:38:57.000 And she's the one that caused it.

01:38:59.000 That's weak on national security by allowing every nation, last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country. 1.00

01:39:09.000 Their crime rates are way down.

01:39:11.000 Putin endorsed her last week, said, I hope she wins.

01:39:14.000 And I think he meant it.

01:39:16.000 Because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible.

01:39:19.000 It wouldn't have happened with me.

01:39:21.000 The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent, and they are. 0.99

01:39:26.000 They're grossly incompetent. 0.98

01:39:28.000 And I just ask one question. 0.81

01:39:30.000 Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream 2, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe?

01:39:42.000 Because they're weak and they're ineffective.

01:39:44.000 And Biden, by the way, gets paid a lot of money.

01:39:46.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:39:47.000 We have a lot of issues to get to.

01:39:48.000 We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from

01:39:52.000 the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia.

01:39:55.000 Back in a moment.

01:39:57.000 Okay, it's our first commercial break.

01:40:04.000 I've sensed so far that this is one of those debates where if you're watching this and you've got a pro-democratic feed on your X timeline, for example, you'll be seeing pro-Kamala commentary, endorsements of her stance and style, and the opposite is true, of course, if you're in a Republican and Trump-oriented feed.

01:40:29.000 It's very difficult, isn't it, to not notice that you're held within a framework.

01:40:34.000 The screen of the television perfectly operates as a kind of live, real-time, over-teen window.

01:40:40.000 These are the questions that get asked.

01:40:41.000 These are the questions that don't get asked. 0.87

01:40:44.000 And I feel that Gareth, my sort of sense is that we've not seen like the kind of vintage 2016 Trump like hitting out zingers and neither have we seen the kind of risible, ridiculous Kamala. 0.97

01:40:59.000 But I'm left with the idea that what you get with Kamala Harris is someone that stays within very prescriptive lines and Trump sort of Trust his intuitive sense of what makes people angry.

01:41:13.000 What doesn't get bought in or what doesn't seem enough of the forefront to me is that Kamala Harris is in office, has been in office for the last four years, so presenting herself as a change candidate doesn't make sense.

01:41:26.000 On that basis, and when it comes to something like her transition and change in policies, it's very difficult to hold that.

01:41:33.000 And I think that's why she returns continually to kind of folksy, when I was a kid I did this, I believe in that.

01:41:40.000 When you sort of touch upon the sort of terrifying issues of global war and massacre and death, that's where the sort of homilies start to sound a little weak.

01:41:51.000 What's your sense?

01:41:51.000 Yeah, I mean I think She's obviously used scaremongering against Trump when actually I really think Trump has had the opportunity to go for her in ways that he hasn't.

01:42:03.000 As you say when you talk about The global wars that are going on at the moment that, you know, the Biden administration has had a huge hand in.

01:42:12.000 And Trump hasn't really gone for that at all.

01:42:14.000 There was other two immigration and Kamala's flip-flopped policies. 1.00

01:42:21.000 Trump didn't really get her on those.

01:42:24.000 There's been a lot of talk on X about how the moderators are helping Kamala a lot.

01:42:30.000 And it is noticeable that I think Glenn Greenwald pointed out that they're kind of They're attacking Trump more than she is in a way.

01:42:38.000 So I think that will be discussed a lot.

01:42:41.000 Sagar and Jetty from BreakingPoint wrote this as well.

01:42:44.000 He said this was so obvious.

01:42:45.000 Immigration is Kamala's worst issue.

01:42:47.000 So she baits him on the rallies and then he gets derailed and scrambled.

01:42:51.000 And that is what happened as well.

01:42:55.000 I think you kind of have to hand it to her that she is handling it pretty well.

01:43:02.000 I mean, compare this to the Biden debate.

01:43:05.000 I mean, there is no comparison whatsoever.

01:43:08.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:43:09.000 Because I suppose, like, in that we were watching the visible and evident decline of a person whose atrophy and inability perfectly reveals what people in our spaces believe.

01:43:22.000 Oh, these kind of puppets, these figures.

01:43:25.000 I suppose in Kamala Harris you have a puppet that is better at rendering the statements and positions of what we would broadly describe as a static globalist set of institutions.

01:43:40.000 She doesn't waver visibly on camera.

01:43:46.000 Some of us wonder what the emotional essence that's driving both candidates is.

01:43:53.000 With Kamala Harris, when she's on the subject of abortion, she's able to appeal to femininity and the sadness and difficulties that are wrapped up in that issue.

01:44:04.000 and with Trump you get the essence of the anger and desperation that people feel in

01:44:10.000 a country in decline and a set of institutions that are in decline.

01:44:16.000 What I wonder is, do you lot in the chat feel that you're getting the Trump that's so beautifully

01:44:22.000 represented angry?

01:44:24.000 Anger.

01:44:25.000 Anger at institutions.

01:44:26.000 Anger at corruption.

01:44:28.000 At this point, it's difficult to sort of say which of these, like, who is offering you policy and change?

01:44:34.000 Like, when it comes to sort of a clear answer on how are you going to resolve Israel-Palestine?

01:44:39.000 How are you going to resolve Russia-Ukraine?

01:44:41.000 Trump, like, offers you his kind of, like, his, um...

01:44:45.000 strength almost in essence rather than policy in a kind of a specific way.

01:44:52.000 The debate's starting again now so we'll rejoin him but certainly it's clear that

01:44:56.000 the way that the moderators pick up on particular points is designed to

01:45:01.000 favour Kamala.

01:45:04.000 ...defend Ukraine from Russia from Vladimir Putin to defend their sovereignty their

01:45:08.000 democracy that it's in America's best interest to do so arguing that if Putin

01:45:12.000 wins he may be emboldened to move even further into other countries.

01:45:16.000 You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours.

01:45:19.000 You said so just before the break tonight.

01:45:21.000 How exactly would you do that?

01:45:23.000 And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight.

01:45:25.000 Do you want Ukraine to win this war?

01:45:28.000 I want the war to stop.

01:45:29.000 I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions.

01:45:35.000 It's the millions.

01:45:36.000 It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers.

01:45:40.000 Look, We're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are.

01:45:52.000 They're in for 150 billion dollars less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO.

01:46:01.000 They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore.

01:46:08.000 So that's maybe one of the reasons that are Like me as much as they like weak people.

01:46:12.000 But you take a look at what's happening.

01:46:15.000 We're in for $250 to $275 billion.

01:46:19.000 They're into $100 to $150.

01:46:22.000 They should be forced to equalize.

01:46:25.000 With that being said, I want to get the war settled. 0.67

01:46:28.000 I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well.

01:46:30.000 I have a good relationship and they respect.

01:46:33.000 Your president, okay?

01:46:35.000 They respect me.

01:46:36.000 They don't respect Biden.

01:46:37.000 How would you respect him?

01:46:38.000 Why?

01:46:39.000 For what reason?

01:46:40.000 He hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin.

01:46:42.000 Hasn't spoken to anybody.

01:46:44.000 They don't even try to get it.

01:46:45.000 That is a war that's dying to be settled.

01:46:48.000 I will get it settled before I even become president.

01:46:51.000 If I win, when I'm president-elect, and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together.

01:46:58.000 That war would have never happened.

01:47:00.000 And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, Unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell.

01:47:07.000 But after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left.

01:47:12.000 I said, oh, he must be negotiating.

01:47:14.000 It must be a good strong point of negotiation.

01:47:17.000 Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him.

01:47:21.000 He had no idea how to stop it.

01:47:23.000 And now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse and it could lead to World War Three.

01:47:28.000 Don't kid yourself, David.

01:47:30.000 We're playing with World War III and we have a president that we don't even know if he's... Where is our president?

01:47:36.000 We don't even know if he's a president.

01:47:37.000 And just to clarify here... They threw him out of a campaign like a dog.

01:47:40.000 We don't even know.

01:47:42.000 Is he a president?

01:47:44.000 We have a president that doesn't know he's alive.

01:47:46.000 Your time is up.

01:47:47.000 He doesn't know he's alive.

01:47:49.000 I believe it's in the U.S.

01:47:51.000 best interest for Ukraine.

01:47:55.000 He doesn't know that.

01:48:02.000 I want to take this to Vice President Harris.

01:48:05.000 I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment, but also as commander in chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin?

01:48:14.000 And would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden?

01:48:17.000 Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden, you're running against me.

01:48:25.000 I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up.

01:48:32.000 And that's not who we are as Americans.

01:48:34.000 Let's understand what happened here.

01:48:36.000 I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded, tried through force to change 0.84

01:48:44.000 territorial boundaries, to define one of the most important international rules and norms,

01:48:50.000 which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity.

01:48:54.000 And I met with President Zelensky.

01:48:55.000 I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself.

01:49:00.000 Days later, I went to NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania.

01:49:05.000 And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support

01:49:10.000 Ukraine in its righteous defense.

01:49:13.000 And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the Javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.

01:49:26.000 If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now.

01:49:31.000 And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine.

01:49:37.000 Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president, and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO.

01:49:52.000 And what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence.

01:49:59.000 Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland.

01:50:05.000 And why don't you tell the 800,000 Polish-Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. 0.64

01:50:22.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:50:23.000 We've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight.

01:50:25.000 Afghanistan came up in the last hour.

01:50:27.000 I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier.

01:50:30.000 Please, I'll give you a minute here.

01:50:33.000 Putin would be sitting in Moscow, and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow.

01:50:41.000 Quiet, please.

01:50:42.000 He would have been sitting in Moscow, much happier than he is right now.

01:50:47.000 But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have.

01:50:51.000 He's got nuclear weapons.

01:50:52.000 They don't ever talk about that.

01:50:53.000 He's got nuclear weapons.

01:50:54.000 Nobody ever thinks about that.

01:50:56.000 And eventually, maybe he'll use them, and maybe he hasn't been that threatening.

01:51:01.000 But he does have that.

01:51:03.000 Something we don't even like to talk about.

01:51:05.000 Nobody likes to talk about it.

01:51:07.000 But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started.

01:51:12.000 Three days later, he went in and he started the war. 1.00

01:51:15.000 Because everything they said was weak and stupid. 1.00

01:51:19.000 They said the wrong things. 1.00

01:51:20.000 That war should have never started.

01:51:22.000 She was the emissary.

01:51:24.000 They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin.

01:51:28.000 And she did.

01:51:29.000 And the war started three days later.

01:51:31.000 And that's the kind of talent we have with her. 0.99

01:51:34.000 She's worse than Biden, in my opinion.

01:51:36.000 I think he's the worst president in the history of our country.

01:51:39.000 She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country. 1.00

01:51:42.000 But let me tell you something. 0.90

01:51:44.000 She is a horrible negotiator. 1.00

01:51:47.000 They sent her in to negotiate. 0.52

01:51:49.000 As soon as they left, Putin did the invasion.

01:51:52.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:51:52.000 You did bring up something.

01:51:53.000 You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin.

01:51:55.000 Vice President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?

01:51:57.000 Can you clarify tonight?

01:51:59.000 Yet again, I said at the beginning of this debate, you're going to hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.

01:52:03.000 And that is another one.

01:52:05.000 When I went to meet with President Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times.

01:52:10.000 The reality is it has been about standing as America always should.

01:52:15.000 As a leader upholding international rules and norms.

01:52:20.000 As a leader who shows strength understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy.

01:52:39.000 And that is very much what is at stake here.

01:52:42.000 The President of the United States is Commander-in-Chief and the American people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.

01:53:07.000 We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin.

01:53:10.000 I do want to talk about Afghanistan.

01:53:11.000 It came up in the first hour of this debate.

01:53:14.000 I want to move on to Afghanistan. 1.00

01:53:16.000 Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

01:53:19.000 He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, to pay up.

01:53:23.000 He said, I've never seen.

01:53:25.000 He's the head of NATO.

01:53:26.000 He said, I've never seen.

01:53:27.000 For years, we were paying almost all of NATO.

01:53:30.000 We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO.

01:53:35.000 I got them to pay up by saying, one of the statements you made before, if you don't pay, we're not going to protect you, otherwise we would have never gotten it.

01:53:43.000 He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.

01:53:47.000 Thank you.

01:53:47.000 I want to turn to Afghanistan.

01:53:49.000 It came up in the first hour of the debate, and we witnessed a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill, honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

01:53:57.000 I do want to ask the Vice President, Do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?

01:54:04.000 Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.

01:54:09.000 Four presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did.

01:54:13.000 And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day we were paying for that endless war.

01:54:21.000 And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century.

01:54:33.000 But let's understand how we got to where we are.

01:54:36.000 Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.

01:54:43.000 He calls himself a dealmaker.

01:54:45.000 Even his national security advisor said it was a weak, terrible deal.

01:54:49.000 And here's how it went down.

01:54:51.000 He bypassed the Afghan government.

01:54:54.000 He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban.

01:54:58.000 The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists, Taliban terrorists, released.

01:55:05.000 And get this, no get this, and the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David, a place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders.

01:55:27.000 And this Former President, as President, invited them.

01:55:34.000 To Camp David because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of the President of the United States to be Commander-in-Chief with a level of respect.

01:55:48.000 And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world.

01:56:04.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

01:56:05.000 President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the Taliban?

01:56:09.000 So, if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers.

01:56:19.000 And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.

01:56:23.000 That's the fighting force within Afghanistan.

01:56:25.000 They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time.

01:56:29.000 But I got involved and Abdul is the head of the Taliban.

01:56:34.000 He is still the head of the Taliban.

01:56:36.000 And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore.

01:56:38.000 You do it anymore.

01:56:39.000 You're going to have problems.

01:56:40.000 We're in Shangela's territory now, aren't we? 0.93

01:56:46.000 18 months.

01:56:47.000 We had nobody killed.

01:56:48.000 We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo.

01:56:51.000 It was a very good agreement.

01:56:53.000 The reason it was good, it was we were getting out.

01:56:56.000 We would have been out faster than that, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers.

01:56:59.000 We wouldn't have left many Americans behind and we wouldn't have left, we wouldn't have left 85 billion dollars worth of brand new beautiful military equipment behind.

01:57:09.000 And just to finish, They blew it.

01:57:12.000 The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this.

01:57:16.000 And they didn't do it.

01:57:17.000 They didn't do it.

01:57:19.000 The agreement was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.

01:57:26.000 And these people did the worst withdrawal and, in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.

01:57:33.000 And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine, because they saw how incompetent she Enter Borser. 0.99

01:57:41.000 President Trump, thank you.

01:57:42.000 I want to move on now to race and politics in this country.

01:57:45.000 Mr. President, you recently said of Vice President Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago, when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.

01:57:55.000 I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.

01:57:57.000 Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?

01:58:02.000 I don't, and I don't care.

01:58:03.000 I don't care what she is.

01:58:05.000 I don't care.

01:58:07.000 You make a big deal out of something, I couldn't care less.

01:58:10.000 Whatever she wants to be is okay with me.

01:58:12.000 But those were your words.

01:58:13.000 So I don't know.

01:58:14.000 I don't know.

01:58:14.000 I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out.

01:58:20.000 And I'll say that. 0.75

01:58:22.000 And then I read that she was black. 0.98

01:58:24.000 And that's OK. 0.74

01:58:25.000 Either one was OK with me.

01:58:27.000 That's up to her.

01:58:28.000 That's up to her.

01:58:29.000 Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this?

01:58:32.000 I think it's I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people.

01:58:48.000 You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.

01:58:59.000 And let's remember how Donald Trump started.

01:59:02.000 He was a He owned land, he owned buildings, and he was investigated because he refused to rent property to black families.

01:59:17.000 Let's remember, this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent, the Central Park Five. 0.54

01:59:34.000 Took out a full page ad calling for their execution.

01:59:38.000 This is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the United States.

01:59:46.000 And I think the American people want better than that.

01:59:50.000 Want better than this.

01:59:53.000 Want someone who understands, as I do, I travel our country.

01:59:57.000 We see in each other a friend.

02:00:00.000 We see in each other a neighbor.

02:00:03.000 We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other.

02:00:09.000 I meet with people all the time who tell me, can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people?

02:00:23.000 Knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those, not in hate and division.

02:00:39.000 This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country.

02:00:46.000 There's never been anything like it.

02:00:48.000 They're destroying our country and they come up with things like What she just said, going back many, many years, when a lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park fight, they admitted, they said, they pled guilty.

02:01:04.000 And I said, well, if they pled guilty, they badly hurt a person, killed a person, ultimately.

02:01:09.000 And if they pled guilty, then they pled—we're not guilty.

02:01:13.000 But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago, because there's nothing now.

02:01:20.000 I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm going to build it again.

02:01:25.000 It's going to be bigger, better and stronger.

02:01:28.000 But they're destroying our economy.

02:01:30.000 They have no idea what a good economy is.

02:01:32.000 Their oil policies.

02:01:34.000 Every single policy.

02:01:35.000 And remember this.

02:01:37.000 She is Biden.

02:01:38.000 You know, she's trying to get away from Biden. 1.00

02:01:40.000 I don't know the gentleman, she says.

02:01:42.000 She is Biden.

02:01:43.000 The worst inflation we've ever had.

02:01:46.000 A horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad that she can't get away with that. 0.50

02:01:52.000 I want to respond to that, though.

02:01:54.000 I want to just respond briefly.

02:01:57.000 Clearly I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly not Donald Trump.

02:02:02.000 And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country.

02:02:07.000 One who believes in what is possible.

02:02:10.000 One who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people.

02:02:18.000 I believe in what we can do to to strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a

02:02:25.000 plan.

02:02:26.000 Let's talk about our plans and let's compare the plans.

02:02:31.000 I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction

02:02:37.000 to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work.

02:02:43.000 I have a plan, $6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life

02:02:49.000 to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development.

02:02:53.000 I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting

02:02:59.000 in terms of the American dream by offering a help with down payment of $25,000 down payment

02:03:06.000 assistance for first time home buyers.

02:03:09.000 That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name-calling.

02:03:20.000 Let's turn the page and move forward.

02:03:26.000 President Trump, we have to move on.

02:03:28.000 She has a plan to defund the police.

02:03:31.000 She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun. 1.00

02:03:34.000 President Trump will do have to move on to other issues.

02:03:36.000 She has a plan to not allow fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else.

02:03:39.000 That's what her plan is until just recently.

02:03:42.000 I just need to respond to this.

02:03:44.000 The President has said something twice that I need to respond to.

02:03:47.000 I just need to respond one time to what he has said multiple times.

02:03:50.000 President Trump, this is now your third time running for President.

02:03:53.000 You have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

02:03:58.000 You have failed to accomplish that.

02:04:00.000 You now say you're going to keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better.

02:04:05.000 Last month you said, quote, we're working on it.

02:04:07.000 So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan and can you tell us what it is?

02:04:13.000 Obamacare was lousy healthcare.

02:04:15.000 Always was.

02:04:16.000 It's not very good today.

02:04:18.000 And what I said, that if we come up with something, and we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it.

02:04:24.000 But, remember this, I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it.

02:04:30.000 They wouldn't vote for it.

02:04:31.000 They were unanimous.

02:04:32.000 They wouldn't vote to change it.

02:04:33.000 If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare.

02:04:37.000 But the Democrats came up, they wouldn't vote for it.

02:04:41.000 I had a choice to make when I was president.

02:04:43.000 Do I save it and make it as good as it can be?

02:04:46.000 Never going to be great.

02:04:47.000 Or do I let it rot?

02:04:49.000 And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away.

02:04:55.000 I decided, and I told my people, the top people, and they're very good people.

02:04:59.000 I have a lot of good people in this, that administration.

02:05:02.000 We read about the bad ones.

02:05:03.000 We had some real bad ones too, and so do they.

02:05:06.000 They have really bad ones.

02:05:07.000 The difference is they don't get rid of them.

02:05:08.000 But let me just explain.

02:05:10.000 I had a choice to make.

02:05:11.000 Do I save it and make it as good as it can be, or do I let it rot?

02:05:16.000 And I saved it.

02:05:17.000 I did the right thing.

02:05:18.000 But it's still never going to be great, and it's too expensive for people.

02:05:23.000 And what we will do is we're looking at different plans.

02:05:27.000 If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population, less money and be better healthcare than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it.

02:05:37.000 But until then, I'd run it as good as it can be run.

02:05:40.000 So, just so you guys know, you still do not have a plan.

02:05:43.000 I have concepts of a plan.

02:05:44.000 I'm not president right now.

02:05:47.000 But if...

02:05:48.000 We come up with something.

02:05:50.000 I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive.

02:05:54.000 And there are concepts and options we have to do that.

02:05:58.000 And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future.

02:06:01.000 Vice President Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run healthcare system.

02:06:09.000 Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option.

02:06:13.000 What is your plan today?

02:06:15.000 Well, first of all, I absolutely support, and over the last four years as vice president, private health care options.

02:06:21.000 But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act.

02:06:24.000 But I'll get to that, Lindsay.

02:06:25.000 I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made.

02:06:29.000 I've made very clear my position on fracking.

02:06:32.000 And then this business about taking everyone's guns away.

02:06:35.000 Tim Walz and I are both gun owners.

02:06:36.000 We're not taking anybody's guns away.

02:06:38.000 So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff.

02:06:41.000 As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand.

02:06:47.000 When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

02:06:53.000 60 times.

02:06:54.000 I was a senator at the time.

02:06:57.000 I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate.

02:07:04.000 And the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged.

02:07:09.000 As being, you don't like him, you said, at the time because he got caught.

02:07:15.000 He was an American hero.

02:07:16.000 The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the Senate floor and said, no you don't.

02:07:24.000 No you don't.

02:07:25.000 No you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

02:07:27.000 You have no plan.

02:07:29.000 And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions.

02:07:37.000 I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like?

02:07:40.000 Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes?

02:07:51.000 And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the American people.

02:08:04.000 Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate prices.

02:08:07.000 He never did.

02:08:08.000 We did.

02:08:09.000 And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month.

02:08:12.000 Since I've been vice president, we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year.

02:08:18.000 And when I am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that the value I bring to this Is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it.

02:08:31.000 And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it.

02:08:37.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:08:38.000 That's just prologue in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.

02:08:40.000 I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of people.

02:08:43.000 You made a mistake.

02:08:44.000 Number one, John McCain fought Obamacare for 10 years.

02:08:49.000 But it wasn't only him.

02:08:50.000 It was all of the Democrats that kept it going.

02:08:54.000 And you know what?

02:08:56.000 We can do much better than Obamacare.

02:08:57.000 Much less money.

02:08:59.000 But she won't improve private insurance for people. 0.79

02:09:03.000 Private medical insurance.

02:09:05.000 That's another thing she doesn't want to do. 0.77

02:09:06.000 People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private.

02:09:12.000 She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait Six months for an operation that you need to be- President Trump, thank you.

02:09:20.000 We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, and that's climate change.

02:09:26.000 President Trump, with regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water.

02:09:31.000 Vice President Harris, you call climate change an existential threat.

02:09:35.000 The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change?

02:09:40.000 And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you.

02:09:42.000 One minute for you each.

02:09:43.000 Well, the former president has said that climate change is a hoax.

02:09:47.000 And what we know is that it is very real.

02:09:50.000 You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or is being jacked up.

02:09:59.000 You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go.

02:10:07.000 We know that we can actually deal with this issue.

02:10:10.000 The young people of America care deeply about this issue.

02:10:13.000 And I am proud that as Vice President over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also Increase domestic gas production to historic levels.

02:10:26.000 We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president.

02:10:31.000 We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world.

02:10:37.000 Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs.

02:10:40.000 He lost manufacturing jobs.

02:10:42.000 And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fain, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American-made products, American automobiles, it includes Growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump.

02:11:06.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:11:07.000 It didn't happen under Donald Trump.

02:11:09.000 Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month.

02:11:14.000 It's going, they're all leaving.

02:11:16.000 They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases owned by China.

02:11:21.000 They're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people.

02:11:28.000 What they have given to China is unbelievable, but we're not going to let that. 0.58

02:11:33.000 We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Auto Workers and any auto worker, whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place. 0.85

02:11:44.000 What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country Is horrible.

02:11:50.000 We have nothing because they refuse.

02:11:53.000 You know, Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars.

02:11:57.000 He's afraid to do it between him and his son.

02:12:00.000 They get all this money from Ukraine.

02:12:02.000 They get all this money from all of these different countries.

02:12:05.000 And then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China? 0.70

02:12:09.000 Why is he?

02:12:10.000 Why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's wife?

02:12:15.000 Why did he get?

02:12:16.000 Why did she pay him? 0.98

02:12:17.000 Three and a half million dollars.

02:12:19.000 This is a crooked administration and they're selling our country down the tubes.

02:12:24.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:12:25.000 Thank you.

02:12:26.000 We'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates.

02:12:29.000 An historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia.

02:12:33.000 Back in a moment.

02:12:34.000 It's historic what we're doing here.

02:12:35.000 I'm going to glance even further to the side.

02:12:38.000 One of the things I feel when you watch it is when you talk about healthcare, you stay in the bureaucratic quagmire of we put Obamacare forward, it was struggling, Congress, it was a great bill, do you have a better idea?

02:12:52.000 Do I have a concept of a plan?

02:12:54.000 And actually, you don't talk about Big Food's stranglehold on policymaking, you don't talk about big farmers profiting from sickness and ill health across America.

02:13:06.000 And I feel like the general optimism that I felt when Bobby Kennedy endorsed Trump meant that what you have an opportunity for is to bring to the forefront the Big issues of look, it's whether or not Obamacare succeeds or doesn't succeed You've got massive health crisis in America and across the world and that's brought about by putting the interests of corporations ahead of the interests of people and it sort of what seems absurd is you kind of think I want them to move away from talking about from just demonstrating emotion whether it's the emotion that Trump has typified since he entered the political scene or

02:13:45.000 Or the emotions that Kamala is demonstrating, I think, sort of rather well when it comes to... We'll deal with that little noise.

02:13:54.000 We'll deal with that.

02:13:54.000 That's the noise that we have from time to time.

02:13:59.000 When you get into the policy, it seems sort of like ridiculous minutia.

02:14:03.000 So like it seems sometimes very general and emotional and sometimes absurdly specific without sort of landing on the point of what's going to happen with this Ukraine-Russia war?

02:14:14.000 What's going to happen in the Middle East?

02:14:16.000 What are we going to do about healthcare?

02:14:18.000 It's an odd blend of generalities and then such specificity that it negates you having a clear vision of what might happen under their terms.

02:14:30.000 So you're sort of, in a way, left with your biases.

02:14:34.000 That's what you're left with, is just a general sense of, well, You know I like Donald Trump because he represents anti-establishment interest or he represents anger or I like Kamala Harris because even though she is a person that's still in government in particular we understand with some control over the border or some responsibility at least for the border she's being pushed this change.

02:14:56.000 I think they are managing that job well of saying she's sort of like somehow a progression of Biden.

02:15:02.000 She's able to say well I'm not Joe Biden you forget I'm not Joe Biden.

02:15:05.000 And I think that what we'll come away from this saying, I wonder if you agree Gavin, I wonder what you guys think in the chat, is that the context of this debate is defining this debate.

02:15:17.000 The fact that sort of every incremental question, enquiry or follow-up is gently biasing you towards Kamala Harris, that it's broadly favourable.

02:15:27.000 The conditions are so sort of generally beneficial to her that it's, I would say, sort of somewhat unfair Yeah, I think so.

02:15:37.000 The main talking points are the moderators.

02:15:39.000 I think that's going to be the headline out of this, is the fact-checking that they're doing on behalf of Kamala Harris towards Trump, whereas not the reversal.

02:15:51.000 That is going to still, well, certainly within our space, the headlines.

02:15:55.000 I mean, I think you're absolutely right.

02:15:57.000 I don't see this debate in changing anyone's minds whatsoever.

02:16:01.000 I think this is In a way you see why with the last debate the headlines were all about Biden's errors you know with this one I think some of the talking points will be probably that moment where Trump said I'm speaking now which was obviously a reference to Kamala with Mike Pence from 2020 so yeah I mean it's a it's a TV show I mean that's what I guess that's what we come back to is

02:16:27.000 This is ultimately a spectacle.

02:16:29.000 No one's really learning anything from it.

02:16:31.000 It's either too general or too biographical when it's massive stories that we should be focusing on like war, which I actually think Trump easily won that round if you want to look at it as winning rounds.

02:16:43.000 I mean, you want to talk about why Kamala Harris has got the Cheney vote. 0.97

02:16:47.000 I mean, you couldn't have seen something more Pro-NATO, pro-war, you know, pro-funding of Ukraine. 0.79

02:16:55.000 But, you know, and no-one's, again, to your point, no-one's fact-checking that, are they?

02:17:00.000 No-one's going... No, no-one's saying... Yeah, exactly, was that the right thing to do?

02:17:03.000 What were the conditions?

02:17:03.000 What led us into that?

02:17:04.000 What was his funding expedient?

02:17:06.000 Well, where Kamala Harris is talking about invading Poland.

02:17:09.000 I mean, there's literally no evidence that Putin wants to invade Poland.

02:17:13.000 Yeah, you can't just say... But that doesn't get fact-checked, does it?

02:17:15.000 Well, did you, have you ever met Putin?

02:17:17.000 So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our country.

02:17:19.000 that Russia want to invade Poland. I believe they're back for their closing

02:17:24.000 statement. Stay with us for this and then afterwards we'll learn to our own little

02:17:28.000 Pricey. So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our

02:17:36.000 country. One that is focused on the future and the other that is focused on

02:17:42.000 the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we're not going back.

02:17:48.000 And I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

02:17:54.000 And we can chart a new way forward.

02:17:58.000 And a vision of that includes having a plan.

02:18:02.000 Understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create An opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living.

02:18:26.000 I believe in what we can do together.

02:18:29.000 That is about sustaining America's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.

02:18:44.000 I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. 0.96

02:18:55.000 I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor.

02:18:57.000 I was a DA, I was an Attorney General, a United States Senator, and now Vice President.

02:19:02.000 I've only had one client, the people.

02:19:05.000 And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat?

02:19:12.000 The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?

02:19:16.000 And that's the kind of president we need right now.

02:19:19.000 Someone who cares about you.

02:19:21.000 Are you okay?

02:19:24.000 I'm not okay.

02:19:24.000 ...to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.

02:19:37.000 Vice President Harris, thank you.

02:19:39.000 President Trump?

02:19:41.000 So she just started by saying she's going to do this, she's going to do that, she's going to do all these wonderful things.

02:19:47.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:19:49.000 She's been there for three and a half years.

02:19:52.000 They've had three and a half years to fix the border.

02:19:55.000 They've had three and a half years to Create jobs and all the things we talked about.

02:20:00.000 Why hasn't she done it?

02:20:02.000 She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do. 0.89

02:20:10.000 But you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in.

02:20:16.000 You believe in Things like, we're not going to frack, we're not going to take fossil fuel, we're not going to do—things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not.

02:20:26.000 Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants.

02:20:32.000 We're not ready for it.

02:20:33.000 We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.

02:20:38.000 But I just ask one simple question.

02:20:40.000 Why didn't she do it? 0.83

02:20:42.000 We're a failing nation.

02:20:45.000 We're a nation that's in serious decline.

02:20:47.000 We're being laughed at all over the world.

02:20:50.000 All over the world they laugh.

02:20:51.000 I know the leaders very well.

02:20:52.000 They're coming to see me.

02:20:54.000 They call me.

02:20:55.000 We're laughed at all over the world.

02:20:57.000 They don't understand what happened to us as a nation.

02:20:59.000 We're not a leader.

02:21:01.000 We don't have any idea what's going on.

02:21:03.000 We have wars going on in the Middle East.

02:21:05.000 We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.

02:21:10.000 We're going to end up in a third world war, and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.

02:21:17.000 I rebuilt our entire military.

02:21:20.000 She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.

02:21:23.000 She gave it to Afghanistan.

02:21:25.000 What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. 1.00

02:21:33.000 Many of them are criminals, and they're destroying our country. 0.81

02:21:36.000 The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country. 0.99

02:21:42.000 President Trump, thank you.

02:21:44.000 And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.

02:21:50.000 I'm Lindsay Davis.

02:21:51.000 And I'm David Muir.

02:21:52.000 Thank you for watching here in the U.S.

02:21:53.000 and all over the world and from all of us here at ABC News.

02:21:59.000 I remember in earlier iterations of presidential debates, the Clinton-Trump one, the Clinton-Biden one, the constitution that forms the backdrop was more vivid and clear.

02:22:12.000 You could make out the language and the words and you could see in those documents the original vision for the United States of America.

02:22:19.000 Now they've blurred that vision and it might be a perfect metaphor for what's happening.

02:22:26.000 Because what is actually happening in a broader global sense is some quite terrifying issues.

02:22:33.000 The escalating war, the general tendency towards mass citizen management and control, and the use of crisis to legitimise further authority.

02:22:43.000 And other than Trump's recognisable rhetoric, those issues weren't brought to the forefront.

02:22:49.000 Kamala Harris, as you said Gareth, is good at presenting generalities and biographical facts and sort of oddly being able to present herself as a progression or an advance or even a change when, as Trump pointed out, she's in the White House right now. 0.90

02:23:08.000 What I feel that this spectacle does overall, a spectacle facilitated somewhat by moderators whose favour was plain and visible, an ongoing democratic centralised government, is that there is no sort of There's an appetite to bring to the absolute forefront the nature of the crisis, both domestic and global, that many people feel like they're dealing with.

02:23:36.000 You sort of glimpse occasionally the outline of, like, you know, economic crisis, inflation, global war, the horror of the Middle East, but you don't feel that you ever drop down into that space where people are sort of seriously going, listen, we're going to actually deal with this and this is how we're going to deal with it.

02:23:53.000 It's so performative actually.

02:23:58.000 Other than the fact that we're kind of used to it, that it's become normal to us, when you check it, it's kind of disturbing and uncanny.

02:24:09.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:24:10.000 I think if anything what this shows, other than the headline of the moderators as we

02:24:16.000 have spoken about, is the parameters that these kind of things exist within.

02:24:21.000 And ultimately, I guess, from a kind of macro position, this does reinforce the idea that

02:24:28.000 one of these two parties should be governing the United States of America and that anything

02:24:34.000 that's outside of the remit of the parameters discussed in this debate are not worth talking

02:24:41.000 about.

02:24:42.000 I mean, all the things that you highlighted before, that, for example, an RFK has been

02:24:46.000 highlighting about and why so many people were so excited about him.

02:24:49.000 being a presidential candidate.

02:24:53.000 Most of those things are just not discussed because they're not deemed relevant or they're not deemed the talking points that ABC or these moderators or whoever it is... Do you think as well, Gareth, that those points are somehow deliberately excluded?

02:25:08.000 Because, for example, can Trump talk like Bobby Kennedy with regard to, say, the power of

02:25:16.000 Big Pharma.

02:25:17.000 Notice when they talked about Covid briefly, he sort of was like, you know, I handled that fantastic.

02:25:22.000 You know, you'd imagine that a lot of Trump's sort of natural base would want something along the lines of

02:25:26.000 "Under the circumstances that were presented, I did the best that I could."

02:25:31.000 Did we overly empower the pharmaceutical companies?

02:25:35.000 Did we facilitate their profit?

02:25:37.000 Did these lead to the conditions of censorship and big tech overreach and the relationship between big tech and government?

02:25:43.000 I wish we could have done something different.

02:25:45.000 It's sort of Like, I suppose there's not enough sense of that easy anti-establishment rhetoric, even if it is only rhetoric, because it's almost harder, isn't it, don't you find, to not judge the debate on its own terms, the terms it presents to you, which are, it's a spectacle and you want to see people say funny stuff, you want to see Trump land zingers, and

02:26:12.000 Really, actually, we should be rejecting its terms.

02:26:16.000 We should be saying, actually, we're in a real moment of potential crisis.

02:26:20.000 Whoever's side you're on, if you're sort of a democratic person and democratic media inclined, your concerns are likely climate change and social justice issues.

02:26:30.000 If you're a Trump MAGA person and you're inclined towards that type of media, you're likely

02:26:35.000 concerned by the incredible and insidious power of the state and advancing globalism.

02:26:42.000 But what can't be brought to the forefront are the mechanics and architecture of those

02:26:47.000 problems because in a sense both sides are gridlocked.

02:26:50.000 Remember we said even with RFK, as his campaign advanced and became more significant and successful

02:26:56.000 as he went from a very marginal figure to a significant and influential figure, we know

02:27:00.000 noted that, oh look, he's restricted somewhat.

02:27:04.000 And now that he's endorsed Trump, many people, when I was doing that thing with Tucker, were saying, oh Bobby Kennedy feels like he's freed up again.

02:27:12.000 It's like the institutions themselves whether it's the institutions of media or the institutions of government by their nature present restrictions that present restrictions that prevent change and so it's difficult like that debate you could watch it like it's a football match and it's difficult actually to watch it beyond that because when they do get into policy you think what 25 grand Yeah.

02:27:35.000 for business that's what we're talking about aren't we like in a really

02:27:38.000 terrifying position and so sort of Trump's stuff about Putin's got nuclear

02:27:41.000 weapons lands or or if you're more inclined Kamala's stuff about look we're

02:27:45.000 not gonna go backwards on women's rights and and like but even there like you 1.00

02:27:49.000 said your point about fact-checking earlier mate it's like that no one said

02:27:53.000 well that doesn't if you are totally pro body autonomy for the individual how

02:27:59.000 does that tally with your stance on vaccine mandate vaccine Yeah, exactly.

02:28:03.000 Yeah.

02:28:03.000 mandated for government workers and we're not mandated, you were shamed if you do not

02:28:09.000 comply. Would that be your position today? If there was another pandemic, would you mandate

02:28:14.000 government workers? Would you mandate the military that you claim to respect so much?

02:28:18.000 Yeah, and I'm surprised Trump didn't bring that up. But then again, as you say, the point

02:28:21.000 that he made around his only point around the pandemic was what a great job he did.

02:28:26.000 And that's kind of the point with all this, isn't it? It almost becomes the debate around

02:28:31.000 of what's omitted from the debate.

02:28:34.000 Ultimately, that is what we're focused on.

02:28:37.000 I mean, hence why this debate is shown on ABC, you know, and Trump's criticized ABC a lot.

02:28:42.000 But imagine if you had a debate like this that was on Rumble, for example, you know, what would that look like?

02:28:48.000 Moderators like Bongino, Glenn Greenwald, you could have a, you know, you could have

02:28:54.000 a, it doesn't have to be partisan, you know, it can be a fair debate but they obviously

02:29:01.000 would never go for something like that.

02:29:02.000 And I guess maybe the bigger takeaway is that, how relevant are these debates anyway?

02:29:08.000 I mean, you know, we all know, we all kind of come away from this and being like, well, this is more about what wasn't said rather than what was said.

02:29:17.000 And so therefore, probably a lot of the audience on Rumble are thinking, well, actually, a lot of these things I kind of care a bit about, but maybe 20% I care about, but there's so much that I do care about that wasn't covered.

02:29:29.000 I suppose the bad debates must be relevant because the debates happen.

02:29:33.000 And that means, I suppose, they must overall, and in a general way, service the status quo.

02:29:39.000 They must service continuity.

02:29:42.000 Because if there were, imagine in a real democracy for a moment, you would say, Let's have a debate where these candidates are exposed to genuine interrogation, genuine opposition, and what the Kamala campaign has been notably defined by up till now is her unwillingness to deal with open interviews. 0.98

02:30:03.000 She's been very controlled when it comes to PR, but Biden was like that in campaigning in 2020.

02:30:08.000 He was out of the way.

02:30:10.000 They sort of realized then that Trump generates such polarizing feelings that you're probably tactically better off to let him do his thing, and the people that he don't reach and that don't like him will be greater galvanized by anything they can offer.

02:30:29.000 Clearly, Kamala Harris is an upgrade on Biden.

02:30:33.000 No question about it.

02:30:35.000 JD Vance is appearing on something now.

02:30:37.000 Should we check that for a moment so we'll see what J.D. is saying?

02:30:40.000 ...crystal clear and not on the fact that people can't afford groceries and housing

02:30:46.000 because of Kamala Harris's policies. 1.00

02:30:48.000 This election is actually quite simple and Kamala Harris and apparently the media would

02:30:52.000 like to distract Americans on issues, by the way, that Donald Trump's been crystal clear

02:30:57.000 about, but they're not talking nearly enough.

02:30:59.000 This debate didn't talk nearly enough about the fact that Americans are struggling because

02:31:04.000 they can't afford groceries, they can't afford housing, and a lot of their kids are dying

02:31:08.000 of fentanyl overdoses because Kamala Harris has let the Mexican drug cartels take over 1.00

02:31:13.000 the southern border.

02:31:14.000 This is a disgrace to what's going on in our country, John, and we could do so much better

02:31:18.000 if we just had better leadership.

02:31:19.000 We've got the best workers, the most beautiful country, the best natural resources, but Kamala

02:31:24.000 Harris's leadership is squandering the great benefits of this country.

02:31:28.000 It's why we've got to get back to Donald Trump's leadership.

02:31:31.000 Senator, by the way, I asked because he hadn't been crystal clear and he said something different than what you said.

02:31:35.000 That's why I was seeking clarification.

02:31:37.000 Hey guys, I tell you what, what we'll do is we'll take a moment.

02:31:42.000 We're gonna leave it here.

02:31:43.000 Remember, our show will be on as usual.

02:31:46.000 We'll see you then, guys.

02:31:48.000 I hope you've enjoyed joining us for this.

02:31:50.000 five BST, it's 12 ET. 12 ET will be on the normal time with our post-debate special.

02:32:02.000 We'll see you then, guys. I hope you've enjoyed this, joining us for this. Joey Yodo, JimmyKee55,

02:32:09.000 GorillaWagon. Thanks for your lovely comments about Gareth being back and this beautiful

02:32:14.000 dog and JC.

02:32:16.000 Beautiful dogs, beautiful dogs.

02:32:19.000 Thanks very much for joining us.

02:32:22.000 I think you can see what our conclusions are, that in a sense the framing and what is excluded is how you can determine what is important And yeah, probably we'd come away from this thinking it was a three against one debate.

02:32:38.000 Thanks for joining us.

02:32:39.000 It's very late here and we've still got a few things to fix up.

02:32:42.000 So we'll see you tomorrow at the usual time.

02:32:45.000 Thank you for joining us for this and stay free guys.

02:32:49.000 Nighty night.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 10, 2024

LIVE DEBATE WATCH PARTY: TRUMP VS. HARRIS

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