Russell Brand, Lara Logan and Neil Oliver join me live from Mar-a-Lago to discuss the most significant and defining stories of the week, including Germany's hate speech laws, the Ukraine crisis and Trump's new deal with Russia.
00:03:30.000I guess I'm responsible for hosting duties and I believe there's going to be an attempt to put us in different boxes by Massey at some point.
00:03:39.000But I like it when you're watching a TV show and someone's elbow comes into the shot like that.
00:03:45.000If you're watching us now on X or on YouTube or on Rumble, wherever you're watching us, we will be with you for about 20-30 minutes and we're going to be discussing the most significant and defining stories of the week.
00:04:14.000We'll also be talking about our country, the United Kingdom, me and Neil's country, sending troops to Ukraine and the fissure that's emerged between the United States of America and Europe when it comes to the Ukraine-Russia conflict and also Trump's audacious big...
00:04:32.000To cut military spending by 50% in a kind of trilateral superpower pact with China and Russia.
00:04:59.000Lara is dressed for Mar-a-Lago, so I think you'll get an ultra Mar-a-Lago Lara Logan, and that's the most powerful form of Lara Logan that there is.
00:05:07.000Thank you for explaining why I'm sitting here in this dress.
00:05:53.000I'm going to play a clip in for us so that we can discuss these Germany hate speech and censorship laws.
00:05:57.000And maybe we can even consider how USAID was being used to bolster the censorship efforts in the United States of America.
00:06:04.000Let's look first, though, at 60 Minutes' investigation into Germany's hate speech laws, which led to people being jailed in Germany, as they have been in the UK, for the crime of typing stuff on the internet.
00:07:56.000And we know, why do we have the First Amendment?
00:07:59.000Because we know that when you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have accountability.
00:08:04.000So censorship, by your reckoning, Lara, is an attempt to impede dissent.
00:08:10.000Neil, is that largely how you view censorship?
00:08:14.000I know it's something that you've been impacted indirectly.
00:08:16.000I know the kind of accusations that have been levelled at you since you became more of an outspoken critic of centralised power and a sort of progressivist attempt to curtail free speech.
00:08:33.000Censorship is ultimately about power and is kind of a last and desperate bid to control a collapsing narrative.
00:08:42.000It's absolutely absurd and ridiculous now.
00:08:45.000It's laughable, which I think is, I mean, in many respects, I think when you push these things in this way, it is actually dangerous at some level because we all operate instinctively, I think, really, because we have lived in relatively civilised, relatively peaceable societies.
00:09:02.000And everybody knows the parameters within which polite society happens, what you can say, what you can't say, what you shouldn't say.
00:09:11.000You know, it's all about respecting the other person.
00:09:13.000You know, my rights and freedoms end where your rights and freedoms begin.
00:09:18.000And, you know, if everybody kind of instinctively knows that, and I think it's absolutely absurd.
00:09:25.000J.D. Vance, that much-covered speech that he gave, You know, he actually singled out Scotland for special attention because he pointed out that, you know, that letters were being sent out to people living within a certain distance of, you know, abortion clinics.
00:09:45.000And they were being warned that if they were praying in there, praying in their homes, they could be breaking the law, even though they were in their homes and, you know, behind closed doors and doing their own thing.
00:09:57.000And when it comes to that point, it's utterly, utterly absurd.
00:10:01.000And I think it becomes beholden upon people to throw off the shackles of all of it.
00:10:07.000I mean, I've been saying for a long time now that if I was offered, which is coming down to a binary choice between tolerating everyone saying absolutely anything and everything without consequence, or every morning being handed some sort of laminated card.
00:10:26.000Or the electronic equivalent thereof, and being told, you have to say this, and if you stray from this, you're going to jail.
00:10:34.000If that was the binary choice, I would have to go with anyone can say absolutely anything to anyone without fear of consequences.
00:10:42.000And this ridiculousness that we're seeing unfold in Germany, there's something, it's almost like a parable.
00:10:53.000Some bizarre comedy unfolding because, as you said in your introductory remarks, Russell, that you're deploying the tactics of Nazism in order to stop Nazism, so to speak.
00:11:09.000And that that would be happening in Germany, where there are still plenty of people alive who remember what happened in Germany in the 1930s and the 1940s.
00:11:38.000Like I say, I would far rather live in a world...
00:11:42.000Between the two extremes, I would let anybody say anything and, you know, whatever.
00:11:47.000And society would sort that out for itself.
00:11:50.000And if we're moving into this ridiculous situation where people are just being told what they can say and they jolly well better say that or they can go to jail well, the game's a bogey at that point.
00:12:02.000I discovered this plucky upstart, Neil Oliver, a fresh-faced kid from Stirling, Scotland.
00:12:07.000No, no, he's had a brilliant career for years and years and years.
00:12:10.000But I like Neil's suggestion that given a binary choice between absolute free speech that would, of course, include some incendiary language and certainly insults or increasingly prescriptive measures, which seems to be what's being proposed and almost like we're being lubricated for that, the normalization of absolute censorship, of absolute control.
00:12:36.000You know, don't you sort of sense, Lara, that in sort of since COVID, people have been and kind of in a sense the failure of many of what appeared to be attempted subversive coups during COVID.
00:12:48.000Like we're going to lock you in your home.
00:12:52.000We're going to normalize the censorship of criticism of these medicines, medicines, vaccines, experimental treatments, whatever you want to call them.
00:12:59.000Do you think, largely speaking, that failed?
00:13:03.000Now we have, we're coming to you now from Mar-a-Lago, where you get the strong sense that America, in so many ways, and we'll be covering some of this later, has broken away from that kind of bureaucratic totalitarianism that had...
00:13:20.000Trump not won the last election would have reached surely some kind of dreadful apex.
00:13:26.000And we're seeing that play out in a variety of stories, all of which we're going to discuss today in different ways, i.e.
00:13:31.000the UK are sending, want to send troops to support Ukraine when Trump is looking for a different solution.
00:13:38.000And indeed, when it comes to matters like censorship, where USAID is now being curtailed, controlled, cut down, slash shut down elsewhere, in particular in Europe and in the UK, people are still trying.
00:13:50.000We want to legitimize and bolster those kind of controls.
00:13:53.000Would you accept Neil's binary choice?
00:13:55.000And do you think that, as Neil says, this is a floundering and desperate last-minute attempt to control something that's left alone would sort of die?
00:14:05.000Their form of imperialism is kind of dying out.
00:14:07.000Well, when I listen to you, I feel like we're right at the dark heart of human existence, that this is not a frivolous conversation.
00:14:15.000This is not just something that's nice for the moment.
00:14:18.000I should probably drink this drink then.
00:14:20.000I mean, if we're at the dark heart of existence and I'm drinking orange juice for a straw, it's just...
00:14:40.000Because you're talking about a world where what we're heading towards, it begins with speech, but we're heading to a world where every single thing we do is controlled.
00:14:49.000So whether it's the chip that they put under your skin, you know, or whether it's what they're allowing you, the geofence they put around you.
00:14:57.000I mean, they're literally talking about, we're heading into a world where it begins with giving up.
00:15:10.000I mean, once you, you know, once you put a chip in your brain to Neuralink, to link you to the world's computer without having a phone or anything else, right?
00:15:19.000Where do you begin and where does all that...
00:15:28.000So what you're talking about, yes, of course, when you're presented with those two extremes, I'm somebody who grew up in apartheid South Africa.
00:15:35.000And I was a devoted follower of the movement for equality and justice and human rights for all, Nelson Mandela.
00:15:44.000I mean, we believed in very noble things.
00:15:47.000And so how in the world, how in the world could...
00:16:45.000Black person who's ever been subjected to racism, who's told someone to get knotted and kept on trucking and made a success of their life, of course they have.
00:16:53.000It's just like me being told to medicate my son because he's dyslexic and he supposedly has ADHD. Don't let him learn how to cope.
00:17:01.000Don't let him learn how to be powerful within himself.
00:17:04.000Create these little robotic humans that are just going to do what they're told.
00:17:07.000Don't they love it when they give all your kids, you know, Ritalin and Adderall and they're all good little soldiers at school and nobody wants to be...
00:17:14.000Go outside at the wrong moment and no one wants to speak out of turn.
00:17:35.000I mean, even the Fourth Amendment in the United States, which was really based around the fact that the British would come to your home and they would quarter their soldiers in your home, right?
00:17:42.000And so the Fourth Amendment, which is your right to privacy, is really about the fact that where did they organize against the British, against authoritarianism inside their homes and in their churches?
00:18:24.000This kind of godless encroachment on the intimacy even of thought is terrifying.
00:18:30.000And I suppose, as Lara indicated, Neil, becomes increasingly plausible with the type of technological advances that are discussed on a daily basis.
00:18:40.000But now we have totalitarianism Potentially to a degree where it's not just your home that can be invaded or your free speech that can be controlled or limited but thought itself and it does seem that that you know You offered us a kind of binary choice earlier between absolute free speech and prescriptive speech and Now it seems to me that there's another binary choice and The growing...
00:19:07.000Somewhat nationalistic, indeed, nativist, America first, France first, Germany first, UK first type of populism that's plainly on the rise, that's often decried, criticised, accused of being racist and a bunch of other slurs.
00:19:25.000The reason, if you ask me, that these movements have become popular and even necessary is because globalism and the kind of totalitarianism that Lara's describing was being augured, not openly and honestly, but through sort of kind of very insidious forms of bureaucracy, always masked in care.
00:20:36.000It just turned out that the things that I was thinking and my honest answers to questions were, well, they made me be perceived as some sort of conspiracy theorist contrarian.
00:20:50.000And at first it was shocking when I realised that that was how it was being perceived, and I was being cancelled, and there were attempts made to shut me down, and I lost all sorts of positions and work and all of the rest of it.
00:21:03.000But by now, I absolutely do not care, and I am not afraid of any of it.
00:21:10.000And I think that more and more people are feeling and responding in the same way.
00:21:33.000And I keep on finding myself, well, recently, you know, people come at me on social media, and I've started noticing if they use their names or not, or if it's just some made-up thing.
00:21:47.000And if it's just some made-up thing, You know, dusty cowboy one, two, three.
00:21:54.000I just think if you're so paranoid that you won't even address, you won't come after me as you, then I'm not going to bother about that at all.
00:22:04.000And the solution to all of this is if everybody just as themselves, without running things through...
00:22:12.000The filter of will this get me into trouble?
00:22:40.000And I think the Frankenstein's monsters, the artifice, the nonsense of censorship and all of the rest of it is falling apart.
00:22:51.000Now, that's not to say that there aren't other parts of this edifice of opposition that we face that aren't more intractable and harder to deal with.
00:22:58.000But this whole censorship thing, this whole editing yourself, self-censorship, just shrug it off and tell the truth.
00:23:15.000Neil Oliver, giving you the benefit of his incredible insights there.
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00:24:59.000Over the course of the next hour, we're going to be discussing UK troops being sent to Ukraine and the Starmer-Macron pact that attempts to set up France and the UK as some kind of viable alternative to US support of Ukraine in the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict.
00:25:15.000Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
00:25:19.000Here we've been talking about censorship and Neil has made a...
00:25:21.000Bold stand, but as acknowledged, Lara, that within this boldness, there still are other edifices, if that's the correct word, of power that are somewhat more intractable.
00:25:33.000Let's have a look at this story that the UK and France are considering sending troops to support Ukraine, just as Trump is talking about bringing about peace, and Russia and the United States are meeting, indeed, to have peace talks, which I kind of consider to be sort of an end of the bullshit, shit pretending it's not a proxy war and that this war could continue without u.s support let's have a quick look at um a british news media organization's coverage of this story for three years
00:26:01.000the war in ukraine has pitched russia against the west Now, for the first time, the British Prime Minister has explicitly said that he's prepared to deploy British peacekeepers in Ukraine.
00:26:15.000And he's expected to put pressure on European leaders to do the same at today's emergency summit in Paris.
00:26:23.000The Prime Minister said the UK has already committed £3 billion a year until at least 2030. But it also means being ready and willing to contribute to security guarantees in Ukraine by putting our own troops on the ground if necessary.
00:26:52.000As the great Tony Benn once said, if there's money available to kill people, then there's money available to save lives.
00:26:58.000Lara, what do you think about this emerging distance between the United States and European powers, or former powers, one might say, when it comes to this conflict?
00:27:08.000And what do you think about this pledge by Keir Starmer to give billions of dollars of British, billions of pounds, excuse me, of British taxpayers' money to a conflict that most people would consider to be unwinnable in the broadest sense?
00:27:20.000Well, it's very interesting because it's exposed something quite extraordinary, which is that why is Europe, why is the UK and France, why are they so committed to prolonging this war?
00:27:31.000I mean, with all the money that has gone there to date, with all the support from Europe and the US, the Ukrainians still haven't been able to prevail.
00:27:38.000So it's reasonable to look at this situation and say that's going to continue.
00:27:43.000I mean, Russia has its allies, Ukraine has its allies.
00:27:46.000So this kind of stalemate, I mean, I've seen some of the images.
00:27:50.000I'm well known as a war correspondent, but I've never wanted to go to the war in Ukraine because it was just so obvious that they were pulling the strings and there was so much fake news coming out.
00:28:01.000And when you've got the Ukrainian government going and taking people at gunpoint and beating them and dragging them to the front lines without any training to just go and be cannon fodder, this is unconscionable.
00:28:11.000What is it that you're really trying to achieve here?
00:28:14.000Why is it that the east of Ukraine, where people are Russian speakers, By nature, who have already in Crimea voted to want to be part of Russia, why is it so important to stand as a bulwark?
00:29:09.000And so to me, it's just what's interesting is that Trump has come in and said, you know, I'm a peacemaker and I'm going to make peace between Russia and Ukraine.
00:29:17.000Zelensky, who, as far as I'm concerned, should put back his high heels and his leathers and go make a few more music videos because he'd be more successful at doing that than he is actually running a country.
00:31:23.000Neil, I wonder how you felt when you saw Keir Starmer making that pledge to not only provide further financial aid, but also potentially to provide troops.
00:31:32.000I think he literally used the phrase on the ground.
00:31:34.000And what do you think about what Lara said there?
00:31:36.000There's an indication that there really is a global agenda that's separate from this kind of diversifying path offered by the populist nativism of Trump and the MAGA movement.
00:31:47.000This has been an ongoing, entrenched and sort of peculiar conflict, but this does seem like a...
00:31:52.000A pivotal moment, would you agree, mate?
00:31:55.000On the face of it, I find these comments obscene.
00:32:01.000That after three years and a million dead and hundreds of billions of pounds and dollars and euros squandered or laundered through Ukraine, a time when...
00:32:21.000Putin and Trump are talking about a peace deal that sounds like it will be more or less what was proposed three years ago before a million people were dead.
00:32:35.000The hubris, the callousness, the cruelty, the greed, the stupidity that has been evidenced by...
00:32:46.000The behaviours that have unfolded over the last three years, that Starmer in that context would talk about putting, I don't know, it would have to be 30,000, meaningfully it would have to be 30,000 servicemen and women on the ground to take part in some kind of peacekeeping force that would annoy Russia, by definition, if British troops are on the ground in Ukraine serving that role.
00:33:15.000Which means that he would be notionally exposing them to the possibility of being ground up in that charnel house that has already claimed a million dead.
00:33:28.000That he's sabre-rattling and talking about defending a front line against Russian aggression, which is to say, to perpetuate the lying myth that...
00:33:41.000This was an unprovoked response by Russia three years ago.
00:33:46.000When history makes plain that at least since 2014 and the Maidan coup and the ethnic cleansing that then started against ethnically Russian people in the east of Ukraine.
00:34:00.000And if it didn't begin in 2014, then it began in the 50s or it began in the 90s.
00:34:06.000You know, when Jim Baker made his promises about not an inch into the east would NATO expand, you know, as long as Gorbachev would accept the unification of Germany.
00:34:17.000And Gorbachev did accept the unification of Germany on those terms.
00:34:21.000And now NATO is a thousand miles closer to Russia.
00:34:25.000The whole thing, the whole thing is the consequence of lies and...
00:34:29.000Dishonesty and a lack of honour and not being trustworthy and all of the rest of it.
00:34:35.000And in that context, for Starmer to talk about adding more troops as though he's taking part in this mythical defence of democracy, which it never was, I find his willingness to stand up and say that absolutely sickening, absolutely obscene.
00:35:05.000Lord Danith, the former head of the British Army, has already said more than once that the British Army is in no condition to do anything like what Keir Starmer is proposing that it do.
00:35:20.000In thought and in philosophy, I find it obscene and sickening and disrespectful.
00:35:26.000You know, to put British servicemen into a situation where they would effectively, de facto, be standing alongside Nazis, the Azov battalion.
00:36:41.000You are watching Stay Free Oracles with me, Russell Brand, and Lara Logan and Neil Oliver.
00:36:46.000We're live at Mar-a-Lago, and of course Neil Oliver is in Stirling.
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00:37:47.000Let's have a look at that story, and we'll be discussing this with Lara Logan and Neil Oliver.
00:40:30.000You can fundamentally and profoundly shift the weight and emphasis of governments in defense spending by creating a safer world and removing things where your adversaries.
00:40:43.000Now, do I really believe that they can just, Donald Trump can just do that with a stroke of a pen?
00:41:10.000They think that their approach to life and to philosophy and all of that is really profoundly superior to anything American.
00:41:18.000So you've got these monstrous upstarts who live in the moment and they're brash and they don't get anything and they don't play the long game and they have no patience and they mess up everywhere, but they just can't understand why they're still around.
00:41:31.000You know, I mean, it really bothers the ruling party.
00:43:05.000So for me, I know, sorry, but as you stray...
00:43:09.000From creation and the ability that God gave us to create as part of His creation, I think you stray into that territory.
00:43:18.000And people don't want to accept that there's a different way of doing things because it's, you know, even when I was in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, you know, people would say to me, we used to have one Saddam, now we have a thousand.
00:43:30.000Some people get comfort out of knowing where the lines are drawn.
00:43:33.000And so they don't want you to upend the whole system.
00:43:36.000But if you're a disruptor, you really have to know at your core who you are, right?
00:43:40.000Because then you can withstand the shocks.
00:44:32.000An incredibly wide-ranging answer from Lara Logan, Neil, covering Chinese imperialism, the consequences of the incursion into Iraq.
00:44:43.000Sometimes, when I consider Donald Trump and this notion of the disruptor that Lara Logan has raised, and it's very easy for me to say this, in earshot of Donald Trump here at Mar-a-Lago, and when I say earshot, I mean in range that he could hear me, not shoot him in the ear, because that is the kind of thing that actually happens in this crazy...
00:45:03.000That Trump is like this mystic yogic avatar of no bullshit.
00:45:10.000Say, for example, with his new position on Ukraine, saying, well, they're going to have to back us up with minerals and stuff, and we're going to somewhat vassalise them, which is what kind of NATO we're doing and what Putin is being accused of doing, that you kind of get a type of clarity from Trump that sort of seems like it...
00:45:29.000It's like you've had the bends or something, like popping your ears.
00:45:33.000Like, oh yeah, surely what you need is someone to say, like, you know, we're going to all cut our military expenditure by 50%.
00:45:39.000Let's face it, but what geopolitics is undergirded by are free superpowers, Russia.
00:45:46.000The United States and China, if we come to some kind of consensus, even if it's temporary appeasement of one another, the internal economies of them nations is going to change.
00:45:56.000Like, do you see him in those kind of terms?
00:45:59.000And when he says stuff like this, it's like outlandish.
00:46:01.000Or remember when a few weeks ago on our show, we were talking about, like, you know, I'm going to turn Gaza into a Riviera.
00:46:07.000When he says these things, I notice that second, like, you know, subsequent to that, like Egypt, sort of...
00:46:40.000Do you think that this can map onto geopolitical issues with this emboldened 2025 version of Trump, mate?
00:46:49.000I think when Lara said she doesn't want to be lied to and she doesn't want to be enslaved, you know, those are basics to which I absolutely subscribe.
00:48:27.000I mean, it has to be said, where America is everywhere with its hundreds of military bases all around the world, it's been, you know, it's been imperialist and expansionist and interfering and a coup here and a regime change there and a colour revolution provoked here, there and everywhere and the amount of damage that's been done.
00:48:46.000You can't really accuse Russia and China of doing anything like it.
00:49:23.000And build shitty roads that get people killed.
00:49:27.000But if they would all just back, if all of them would just back off, if they would just, if the three of them would just back off from one another and just do it, you know, it's a subprime, suboptimal option.
00:49:44.000But given what we've been threatened with, what we undoubtedly are threatened with.
00:49:49.000If somebody with something approaching a position to make things happen was able to create an atmosphere of relative peace as opposed to total war and Armageddon, then I'll go with the guy that's talking about peace.
00:50:08.000And if Donald Trump is somewhere in his DNA motivated just by the desire to do business and strike deals and all of the rest of it, well, I would tend to find that the least worst option.
00:50:19.000Rather than some latter-day warlord that wants to dominate the entire planet.
00:50:27.000If he's the least worst option, well, for want of anything, better.
00:50:37.000Caveated at all times by the thought that I know that looming out there is the determination by the undefeated globalists at the moment and the oligarchic types to put...
00:52:11.000Is it something that could genuinely be to the benefit of a planet when it comes to this sort of superpower standoff?
00:52:18.000I think when you understand the depth of the military-industrial complex in the United States, then you understand it's much more than just something frivolous he's throwing out there to be disruptive, because that is absolutely critical.
00:52:34.000It's absolutely critical to the deep state in the United States.
00:52:38.000This is what Eisenhower warned against all the way back in the 50s.
00:52:42.000And so when Donald Trump says that internationally, the one thing that I think is helpful to remember is that he's speaking to the military industrial complex in the United States.
00:52:56.000And this gravy train that you've been on for far too long, this isn't going to continue.
00:53:01.000There are a lot of people who think that Pat...
00:53:02.000General Patton was murdered by the military-industrial complex at the end of the Second World War when he died in that car accident, you know, because Patton was a hero.
00:53:14.000And if you start to look at, you know, Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense, where did he come from?
00:53:18.000You know, this great military-industrial complex.
00:53:20.000And it's a revolving door throughout the government, and not just in the secretary positions, but all throughout these agencies.
00:53:26.000So when Donald Trump talks about draining the swamp and going after the deep state, When he makes a statement like that about cutting defense spending in half, you were talking about trillions of dollars.
00:53:56.000A bit liverish about the things that seem to be happening.
00:54:01.000It's because unless and until Trump or someone else confronts the real problem, which is the money, the debt, everything else is just theatre.
00:54:17.000You know, it was so blatantly obvious, you know, or it's obvious to me now that there was a perception amongst the globalists or whatever that they were on the brink of something disastrous.
00:54:34.000And to buy themselves time, they launched the thing they called COVID. They pulled the hoax that was the pandemic that bought them the breathing space.
00:54:44.000And they brought in all the restrictions on our freedoms and the lockdowns and all of the rest of it.
00:54:49.000And to buy more time when that started to run out of steam, we went war in Ukraine.
00:55:02.000It's all been about distraction all the way up to the Middle East.
00:55:07.000Everything that's happening is a distraction from the main event, which is that the world is bankrupt.
00:55:14.000And the people with the most to lose are the globalists and the bankers or the cabal or however you want to perceive of them.
00:55:22.000And they have to buy time to reset the system.
00:55:27.000They have to run down the broken system and bring the new system into place and get it up and running.
00:55:33.000They're obviously not quite ready to do it yet.
00:55:37.000You know, America's sitting on 30, 40 trillion dollars of national debt, and that's before you get to the 200 trillion dollars of derivatives and all of the rest of it.
00:55:46.000It's like I saw the Damocles over everything.
00:55:51.000And everything else that's distracting people and making people angry and getting people frothing at the gills and all of the rest of it, unless and until somebody takes on the fact that we are bankrupt.
00:56:05.000And the fiat currencies are about to collapse.
00:56:08.000Goodness only knows what the truth is of the Bank of England and maybe Fort Knox not having any gold.
00:56:13.000Goodness only knows what's happening there.
00:56:16.000But it's not the kind of salacious, exciting, sexy stuff that properly attracts people's attention because it's economics, it's arithmetic, it's numbers.
00:58:24.000Nicole Shanahan was the running mate of Bobby Kennedy, and she's got some extraordinary insights into the pharmaceutical industry, health more generally, and the collapse of the Democratic Party.