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00:00:06.000Interior Secretary Deb Haaland is speaking right now for a portion of the convention focused on climate change.
00:00:14.000In my Keres language, greetings friends and family.
00:00:19.000My name is Kresh Turquoise and I'm from the Turquoise clan.
00:00:27.000Thirty-five generations ago, my ancestors built lives in the high desert of New Mexico.
00:00:34.000I am on this stage tonight because of them.
00:00:40.000While fishing with my dad and running through the desert with my cousins, I learned that we have a responsibility to take care of our planet.
00:00:56.000Donald Trump never learned that lesson.
00:02:59.000She's a first-time delegate for Wisconsin and a registered nurse.
00:03:02.000Terri, just tell me what you're thinking about right now as you're here in this moment and it's your first time being a delegate.
00:03:09.000I'm thinking about the impact that this election is going to have on a lot of the issues that have meant a lot to me in my lifetime.
00:03:16.000I've lived with a good portion of my life having choice about health care decisions.
00:03:22.000And now I have two daughters, and I'm concerned about their future.
00:03:26.000And I'm also very concerned about the expansion of health care for all.
00:03:31.000I've been a nurse, like you said, for almost 20 years.
00:03:35.000And I've seen a lot of people with a lot of health issues and having to make decisions just solely based on what coverage they have and what treatment they can get or have access to.
00:03:45.000And those are huge issues, I think, on the ballot that we've got to work on and get Kamala
00:04:12.000So Paul Wellstone's always been kind of a huge inspiration to me.
00:04:16.000And I would say that I have done a lot of volunteer work.
00:04:21.000And the biggest piece for me, it's not necessarily politically, but I have been on our school board in my small rural town in Jefferson for about 10 years now.
00:04:31.000So public education, I've always been a strong advocate for keeping our public education system strong and equal for all.
00:04:37.000And you're from a pretty red county in Wisconsin, correct?
00:04:45.000We look at the data, a group of me and some other women in the city of Jefferson.
00:04:50.000We look at data every single election, whether it's small, large, a primary, a major election.
00:04:57.000And we do feel like we're moving a little bit more in the purple direction.
00:05:01.000We've got a little bit of blue adding in.
00:05:04.000I do think that this is also more consequential.
00:05:08.000I am meeting a lot more people who in 2020 voted for, you know, voted and they were Republicans and have been pretty strong Republicans and over the course of, you know, the last four years are realizing the impact that Donald Trump had in 16 to 20.
00:05:29.000And they're kind of like, I'm ready to jump ship, and I'm ready to not do that again.
00:05:35.000So, I do think although they are lifetime Christians and conservatives, and they will call themselves Republicans, I'm finding more and more people that think this is too consequential to allow this particular Republican to get into office.
00:05:52.000Amna and Jeff, she's sensing somewhat of a change in her red county in Wisconsin.
00:05:58.000Laura Barone Lopez, thank you so much.
00:05:59.000Thank you to Terry as well for taking the time to speak with you.
00:06:03.000Amy Walter, back up here, there's another person I've been meaning to ask you about.
00:06:06.000We spoke a lot about earlier Trump campaign being out counter-programming.
00:06:10.000We haven't heard a lot from the campaign of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the independent candidate who we know was pulling votes largely from Trump more recently.
00:06:18.000It's now reported he could be considering ending his campaign this week, possibly endorsing Donald Trump.
00:06:23.000What kind of impact could all of that have on the shape of the race?
00:06:26.000I'm so glad you asked, because I have been communicating with the folks who do polling for us at that very question.
00:06:35.000What would happen based on the polling that they conducted for us?
00:08:26.000Let's head back to the convention stage because Congressman Maxwell Frost, he's the first member of Gen Z to serve in Congress, represents Florida in the House, here he is.
00:08:36.000I'm Maxwell Alejandro Frost and I'm proud to be the first member of my generation in Congress.
00:08:43.000I'm also proud to represent Central Florida!
00:08:48.000You might expect me to talk about how climate change will impact our future, but as a Floridian, as a Florida man, I'm here I'll tell you that the climate crisis isn't some far-off threat.
00:11:16.000Up here in our anchor booth with us now, we want to welcome in California's other senator, Alex Padilla, who was appointed to the Senate after Kamala Harris was elected vice president.
00:11:27.000Can you imagine how special it feels, not just to speak tonight on her big night, but as I mentioned from the stage, I was appointed with big Chuck Taylors to fill.
00:11:38.000The work continues, but she's been a dear friend for many years.
00:11:41.000Well, that goes to how long you have known her and how closely you have worked with her in the past.
00:11:46.000So tell us a little bit about what you are going to be watching for specifically in terms of what she says and what she doesn't say from the stage tonight.
00:11:54.000So I think throughout the convention, especially tonight directly from her and for the next 75 days, The country will get to know the Kamala Harris that we in California know and love.
00:12:07.000But she's got a big heart for helping people.
00:12:10.000That's what it should be about for all of us in this business of public service.
00:12:15.000And I've just seen it time and time again from her days as District Attorney.
00:12:18.000attorney from her days as attorney general, certainly as my predecessor in the United
00:12:22.000States Senate, as vice president these last three, almost four years, and certainly for
00:12:27.000the next four when she becomes the President of the United States.
00:12:30.000I'm getting chills on my goosebumps here.
00:12:34.000Well, look, we're told that she spent the last couple of weeks going back and forth to her alma mater, Howard University, where she's been practicing this speech, writing, rewriting this speech.
00:12:43.000When you talk to her, how is she feeling about this moment?
00:12:45.000And how is she feeling about the message that she hopes to convey?
00:12:48.000I think, I mean, starting on the day that President Biden We love Joe, we thank Joe, but she came out of the box immediately after his announcement and was able to shore up the support necessary to become the presumptive nominee within a matter of hours, not weeks.
00:13:08.000It just says a lot about her preparations, her relationships, and the goodwill and respect that she has.
00:13:16.000She's a great person, and she's a great mom.
00:13:35.000It's why she's determined to lower healthcare costs and make housing more affordable.
00:13:40.000Donald Trump has no plan to help the middle class.
00:16:18.000I know you all know I'm grateful to go to the State Warriors,
00:16:21.000and man, what a great honor it was to represent Team USA and go out there
00:16:26.000and win that gold medal at the Olympics this summer.
00:16:28.000And that unity on and off the court reminded us all that together, we can do all things and continue to inspire the world.
00:16:35.000That's why I believe that Kamala, as president, could bring that unity back and continue to move our country forward.
00:16:44.000This is about preserving hope and belief in our country, making sure families can be taken care of during the most precious times, I got to visit Kamala with my team in the White House last year, and I can tell you one thing I knew then and definitely know now.
00:17:36.000Look, this has been a good week for Democrats, and there have been a lot of great speeches, and they've positioned the party, and they've positioned her in the mainstream, in the middle class, and in ways that I think are very helpful.
00:17:56.000There's so much Americans still want to learn about her and they want to hear her tell it and they want to hear her tell it in the framework of her own experience and from the depths of her own experience.
00:18:07.000I think that's what we're going to hear tonight.
00:18:11.000I think how she delivers this speech and how it's received will ultimately put a coda on this convention or it'll put a damper on it.
00:18:20.000I think she's going to do pretty well.
00:18:21.000It's so interesting, you know, you look at the Republican convention, there was so much lead up to Donald Trump's speech, and then when he actually spoke, it sort of deflated a lot of what they had tried to do all week.
00:20:19.000I can't really understand why that could possibly be.
00:20:22.000I must admit, when you invited me to this, I thought the DNC would be a very slick, well-oiled operation, and it would be like that, and that you would know when the next thing was going to happen, and you would be trailing it.
00:20:33.000Well, the possibility that we just have no idea where she is or what she's going to do or when is...
00:20:38.000We've got no power over this, is essentially what's happening.
00:20:41.000We're at the moment watching the CNN output and we are so grateful you're watching along with us.
00:20:47.000I'm talking to you, Corey Witness and Trish McLeod and Arad Dalton and Cryptic Eye Steel Toad.
00:22:33.000This is actually a very complex idea that is being conveyed now, because it's a pro-choice piece with a family and an infant, so that's a complex bit of live I would say... I don't want to use the word propaganda when there's something so sensitive at its core.
00:22:59.000But it's such a... What I've been struck by, Neil, watching this convention so far is the extraordinary amount of strategy that goes into managing our perception of, say, Joe Biden's eventual dismissal and extraction, how that's being framed, how we've been invited to review legacy figures like Bill Clinton and the Obamas.
00:23:25.000This is the first time I've seen anything where members of the public have been deployed like that.
00:23:32.000It strikes me as the kind of thing that plays very much to what I would expect from We've always talked at home about how practiced everyone in America seems to be in front of.
00:23:48.000It's difficult to imagine if the same idea was playing out in the UK.
00:23:56.000That they would offer up people, see, in as sensitive and heartbroken a situation as that.
00:24:04.000I was working as a post office master and then they accused me of nicking all the money and it turned out it was a bleeding computer that had done it.
00:24:12.000Eventually this was proven over time but it was too late.
00:24:15.000By then my reputation had been besmirched and I still haven't had my letters.
00:26:11.000It's like a real sorbet, a spiritual sorbet in a barn.
00:26:15.000Like, oh wow, they're not well-practiced politicians, they're Human beings.
00:26:19.000In effect, it's extraordinary to bring them out in this highly synthetic environment that it seems so far to be doing such a wonderful job of ignoring their needs.
00:26:30.000The moment I keep sort of sighting is Billionaires Are Bad by Bernie Sanders and then a billionaire being brought out that was like a good billionaire.
00:28:52.000Well, before you remark on that, do bear in mind that it's possible that these are blind drummers and that We could, uh... I'm just... I'm just... It's possible, innit?
00:29:04.000Because when they did, like, the lady with a baby, who describes her rather tragic miscarriage story, you might think, oh, let's do a joke about it, they've got headbands around their eyes, and it's like, and that's the blind drummers of Chicago.
00:29:15.000Or no, that's the blind Chicago drummers!
00:29:18.000They might actually be, I mean, even this could be a mistake.
00:30:26.000We can, commercials by the way, we should stay with them.
00:30:30.000Someone mentioned, I saw earlier, when I mentioned that I might have worn Paddington Bear pyjamas, which I said in jest only, and someone said it wouldn't be as good as leopard print.
00:31:33.000Yes, at a human level, but like, you know, I was thinking about the point you made earlier today, that there was that recent hearing that appeared to determine that he actually had received illicit funding and, you know, what amounts to bribery, forgive the word if it's not appropriate.
00:31:55.000I find, even though I find it all despicable and Fraudulent and fake and all of that.
00:32:03.000And still, against my expectations, I actually do feel I have to acknowledge that I feel slightly sorry for him.
00:32:13.000Because you look at him and you think, that is a man who needs help.
00:32:41.000I find that distressing to watch, even though I find the collective entity very questionable.
00:32:48.000On the most, like, human level, it's difficult.
00:32:51.000That's, by the way, look at what's on screen.
00:32:53.000A minute ago, there was just two men on the sofa.
00:32:55.000I was thinking, what kind of Sartre is in camera.
00:33:01.000It's two men on the sofa watching two men on a sofa.
00:33:05.000On the most human level you can't help but be moved by the entire spectacle of a man with dementia decaying before you.
00:33:14.000But I suppose because as you say it's a symbol for so many other things.
00:33:20.000Corruption and also because you have continual access to Joe Biden's more potent former life in sepia color, sort of bombastically condemning drug addicts, advocating for war.
00:33:39.000I like the bit where he says if you have some controlled substances this big, you're going to jail.
00:33:56.000Yeah, this is CNN's output and I'll just take a moment to talk to our friends in the stream like Jess Rock, hello there, and Joey Odo, Kyle Rhino and Elijah Fire, Pixel Dunn, all of you guys, thank you for joining us for this Watch Along with Neil and I. Remember, whilst you might be watching this on the East Coast or the West Coast or Anywhere in between, above or below.
00:34:21.000Neil and I are actually the only people in Britain that are watching this right now, including the people that we work with, so please forgive us if we err, and join us with your comments, your talking points, and what you anticipate encountering this evening.
00:34:49.000I've done enough award shows to know when I'm watching filler, or in those cases, providing it, for six minute interludes while a stage was reset for Amy Winehouse to come out, which could take a considerable amount of time given that she was Amy Winehouse.
00:35:05.000Linda said I sounded like Paul McCartney and that you don't.
00:35:09.000I feel like that's part of a conversation that started somewhere else and is going in another direction.
00:35:13.000Yeah, I would say with streaming there is a require for a near-permanent personal editorial.
00:35:23.000Let's have a look at the upsync on this moment of presumed hyperbole.
00:35:54.000There's one thing we have learned from this Democratic National Convention.
00:36:01.000It is that people feel incredibly energized, and they are all telling me, one after the other.
00:36:08.000So there's a rumour, Gareth says, that George Bush is going to come.
00:36:12.000Now, they all see that, I suppose, as an incredible scout, but I would personally see that as further evidence of the Uniparty's amalgamated power.
00:36:24.000George Bush's presence doesn't send the message of Unity, it sends the message that I often see when they talk about aisle-crossing alliances, of this is a one-directional locomotive that's entirely captured.
00:36:39.000Yeah, don't you think that's just Uniparty underlined, isn't it?
00:36:43.000You know, I see these ghouls when they all get together in that cross-the-aisle way, you know, sharing sweets and jokes together, and I watch it happen here as well, you know, when you see footage of You know, Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer glad-handing each other off-camera, as it were.
00:37:05.000And likewise, when you see something like all of these, you know, ageing ex-presidents get together as though none of the things that we were invited to think they cared about divided them.
00:37:18.000They were all able to get together on it and be together on it and... Right, they're Covid parties.
00:37:23.000I get the sense that they were all at each other's Covid parties.
00:37:26.000There's also a strong sense of staged fun taking place here and Tim... Tim Waltz is really, really... Is that Tim Waltz leaning into it?
00:38:12.000What would be good to watch, I think, with something like this, with any potential three-hour broadcast, Neil, is how we, over the course of the evening, you'll be able to see us kind of collapse and implode.
00:38:24.000There won't be this much verbiage two hours in.
00:38:46.000I mean, the Gareth list says that it might be George Bush.
00:38:49.000It's swinging to different sides of a spectrum, isn't it?
00:38:52.000It's vacillating wildly between Bush and Swift.
00:38:58.000But, in a way, everyone's performing a kind of function here.
00:39:01.000In fact, that's one of the things, like, from the last couple of days, because we consume it, obviously, I guess like most people watching, on X or elsewhere on social media, so you just see kind of clips.
00:39:13.000So what you begin to identify is how certain characters are deployed in order to perform certain roles, whether it's their real-life miscarriage, the drummers, Taylor Swift, Pink!
00:40:30.000Should I indicate visually about this with audio and stuff?
00:40:34.000So now it would be good to have it up, if that's all right.
00:40:38.000The RNC was an electrifying environment for many of those nights, but this is different tonight, I think.
00:40:45.000It feels to me like there is an enormous amount of energy and happiness in this room, which is a bit of a contrast from what we saw about four minutes ago at the RNC.
00:47:24.000That gave me a real... I felt, with that staged moment, the feeling I often feel with engineered moments of fun or joy, like a real sort of... In fact, this is a reference only for the British that are awake right now, Neil Kinnock's We're Alright moment, which he's said to have lost in that election against Thatcher.
00:47:46.000I didn't find it much like Neil Kinnock.
00:47:47.000I know the meaning you're referring to, but...
00:52:19.000It's interesting, isn't it, to watch, like, a requiem of sincerity, and as I said before, like, when it is actual real people, like, it's difficult to sustain the level of cynicism, but I still feel a kind of sadness because people are trotting out real emotions in a very synthetic situation.
00:53:23.000It has a sort of an unusual atmosphere.
00:53:27.000Maybe it's sort of like so easy to be cynical and in a way necessary to be cynical because like at its heart I think it's a propagandist endeavor.
00:53:34.000I saw Chris Cuomo was there and said like all these seats up here are like half a million.
00:53:41.000Bucks or boxes, you know, I figure they probably were.
00:53:45.000And all of the rhetoric is about social justice and progress, but an event like this is an extraordinarily expensive thing, and it's about the maintenance of power, it's about change.
00:54:00.000I don't feel... it's not exactly... it's not cynicism that I feel, it's a sort of disbelief.
00:56:18.000That's a lifetime of the modern world.
00:56:20.000You know, what I feel like is, forgive me saying stuff like this, I don't want to rip down the curtain too much, but I really think we've cracked the production.
00:59:04.000that yeah Wow the thing that obviously one of the things I felt while they are
00:59:17.000in scene is like that it's difficult to escape the image of Hulk Hogan tearing
00:59:23.000And as a person that's been sort of part of the Hollywood liberal elite, you know, me myself, part of me thinks like, wow, gosh, this is sort of rather gauche.
01:01:39.000You know, it's drummers, and then it's, you know, and then it's without a breath, it segues into school shooting.
01:01:47.000You don't know what you're going to get next.
01:01:50.000Don't you feel that in a general way when consuming culture, whether online or even on radio?
01:01:57.000It was remarked, I heard, that Bowie was one of the first artists that was able to create a kind of mosaics where, you know, there's kind of an incoherent group of ideas bundled together.
01:02:11.000And now we're just, yeah, used to one minute watching an advert for Screwfix.
01:02:17.000And the next being confronted with a school shooting.
01:02:21.000It's confronting because you don't know what's real.
01:02:24.000You're questioning are they real people or not all the time?
01:02:31.000Is this going to be somebody speaking from the heart about a tragedy or is this someone who's going to play the flute?
01:03:46.000Now, Neil, this is our best of moment.
01:03:48.000You can pip us up to... Let's switch the ratios, guys, if you don't mind.
01:03:53.000Like, make me and Neil that, and then there's footage of that.
01:03:56.000Hello and thank you for joining us for Watch Along with Russell and Neil, while two British men grapple with the complexity of American politics at the DNC.
01:04:07.000While we wait for Kamala Harris's speech, which could be on at any moment, but it could also be preceded by Taylor Swift, George W. Bush or even Beyonce herself.
01:04:15.000Let's look at some of our favourite moments from the DNC so far.
01:04:21.000We're going to start with what the media are saying is the best speech in human history.
01:05:40.000But yeah, this is what we want from a convention, isn't it?
01:05:43.000The actual hysteria beyond, to the point of overdose there.
01:05:50.000I reckon, don't worry about the ratios, Julian, because we'll go in and out, and maybe I'll use hand gestures to signal, well, I can just tell you when.
01:07:04.000Do you know what I feel when I watch that comp?
01:07:06.000Is that the appetite for something meaningful to happen is so ravenous, Neil, that people will just create it.
01:07:15.000I've sensed that a lot in our culture at the moment, and sometimes negatively.
01:07:18.000The shadow side of it being that the conflagrations in our country recently generated such an appetite for blame and condemnation that people almost couldn't wait for who perpetrated those terrible crimes in Southport.
01:07:33.000became irrelevant what the nature of the crime was because the sort of the there was such a
01:07:38.000febrile appetite for the you know the outcomes um and like here yeah it's like there's such a
01:07:46.000craven desire for some meaning for some purpose for someone to take to the stage and do all the
01:07:52.000things they've described that i mean i watched a bit of michelle obama's vision was like that's a
01:07:56.000good speech that would be my you know that was nice but but don't don't you think it's what you
01:08:00.000get when when they have to when it has to be hyperbolic all the time yeah that this is where
01:08:07.000you end up that they just run out of any adjectives that they can possibly use to make this not just a
01:08:14.000good speech not just a great speech not just the best speech of all time not just the best speech
01:08:19.000there could ever be but better on all of that You're right, because we live in a social media space that requires continual overstimulation, further and further defibrillation.
01:08:30.000When you're doing a three-day live event, you have to somehow sustain those levels.
01:08:35.000But what Michelle Obama said, it's gone so far beyond anything that's credible.
01:08:45.000You know, I mean, when she actually was able to stand there and say, you know, that her parents were suspicious of people that took too much.
01:08:55.000How could she stand in front of a mirror rehearsing that and not, for example, and not think, I can't possibly say that because I'm worth hundreds of millions in my own right and I own several beachfront properties.
01:09:08.000And yet I'm going to suggest to the American people that I'm descended from and I still extol the values of people who are suspicious of those who take too much.
01:09:16.000Because I think, this is how I think, because America still believes in the defining American dream notion that people are self-made and secondly the anecdote is being ascribed not to her but to her parents who are a generation away and thirdly and perhaps most importantly because We have become completely uprooted from meaning at all.
01:09:37.000Once you've untethered an event like that from reality, you can say anything.
01:09:42.000There are so many continuing examples of hypocrisy.
01:09:46.000There's no requirement... Do you really believe, Neil, that there's an... that there'll be someone that goes, don't say that, because watching this, you'll go, hold on, you guys have just done a Netflix deal for 50 million quid.
01:09:56.000People are going to think it's hypocritical.
01:09:57.000No, they'll say, well, no, we would counter that by saying it's your parents that said it.
01:10:50.000What follows now is endless eulogising and hagiography immediately afterwards.
01:10:57.000No one on CNN or anywhere other than us, a couple of poor British fellas spilled on the couch are going to point out the hypocrisy of that.
01:11:17.000The function of Michelle Obama in that context is the authenticity and integrity.
01:11:23.000Gareth called it the other day when he said what the DNC is this year is a rebrand.
01:11:28.000That brand had been badly damaged by Biden, reaching its nadir in the debates.
01:11:35.000Now, through strategy, because certainly a lot of people were predicting that Biden wouldn't run in 2024, they've got this opportunity for an incredible reboot.
01:11:43.000So I say, before the event takes place, they're almost right.
01:12:11.000The machine, I think, is watertight, and I don't think it cares for the kind of hypocrisy that you're sort of outlining.
01:12:18.000I care, the people here care, but it's too much to account for.
01:12:23.000But do you think the vast majority of people who are watching this, who aren't us, are
01:12:29.000just able to set aside everything they know, everything they've heard, and just consume
01:12:34.000this in the present with no reference to anything they know, anything they've heard.
01:12:39.000Anything from the recent past distant past are they just watching as a as a spectacle and just enjoying That you let they say oh, we've just watched the greatest speech of all time even though a moment's reflection would say well It wasn't it was bollocks.
01:12:54.000Yeah I've got a book called The Greatest Speeches of All Time, and one of the speeches it has in there is one of the leaders of the ghettos in Poland, whose job it is to go in to appeal to the parents that they have to yield their children to the concentration camps, and the speech that that person has to give.
01:13:16.000Elsewhere in it, it's Martin Luther King, and it's Churchill, and it's all the best speeches of the 20th century.
01:13:22.000And it's full of, like, dialogue, or in that case, I suppose, monologues, that are evoking such incredible spirit.
01:13:32.000And I think in the absence of it, we just sort of pretend it's there.
01:13:35.000Because obviously, you know, what you talk about all the time on your show, Neil, is, ultimately, it's only, like, two years ago that all this stuff happened, and we're just pretending that it didn't.
01:13:49.000Because, you know, if you watch the chat on Rumble, what most people are thinking is this thing is total bollocks.
01:13:55.000But also what that shows, I think, is they're not appealing to people like, you know, whether it's libertarians or anarchists or MAGA people or Trump voters.
01:14:08.000They're appealing to this is who we want.
01:14:12.000Well, I don't know, man, because it's odd, isn't it?
01:14:15.000Because it's like the party of academia.
01:14:26.000Did anyone see it coming, though, that now that we've got all the means to record and keep everything... I mean, all these people are filming this.
01:14:35.000They're not even necessarily watching it now.
01:14:37.000They're making sure that they've recorded it for posterity.
01:14:42.000And so there's like infinite ability to remember it, but memory itself, being able to relate what you're watching now to what you've previously learned and what you already know, seems to have been utterly destroyed by this ability to record.
01:14:57.000I don't need to pay attention to this now.
01:18:16.000Why do you think, genuinely I ask, why would someone like, does Taylor Swift attend a thing like this out of any kind of sincerity?
01:18:30.000Or does she, in some way that we're not quite able to understand, does she have no option but to attend a thing like this?
01:18:36.000Because, you know, you can't imagine that it's good for a brand really.
01:18:45.000There was a point, there was a point where Taylor Swift had to be extremely careful about the... that she wasn't divisive in the choices that she made.
01:18:54.000And the same with some... like Sandler.
01:23:44.000Trump didn't... Isn't it true, not that that matters, to say that the world laughed more at America when it was Trump than it's laughed at America with Joe Biden?
01:23:59.000I mean, hasn't Biden been much more value in that regard?
01:24:14.000I did feel, like we used to discuss, why is this never coming up on late night talk shows?
01:24:20.000Why are they never saying, that's a bit mad that he's done that, you know?
01:24:25.000That it was never regarded as fodder except for in peripheral media spaces or online media spaces which could no longer really be called peripheral due to the changing dynamics.
01:25:01.000The chief of staff, CIA director, Secretary of Defense.
01:25:07.000This is actually what you expect at a convention, isn't it?
01:25:13.000It's like, old guy, look, I've been doing this a while, but, like, not, like, pink, and a bunch of children, and the drummers have headbands on their eyes, and then, like, you just sort of get into how ridiculous it is, and someone, like, starts talking about an abortion, and he's like, I don't know what to feel anymore!
01:30:04.000We've got... The fact, actually, that Taylor Swift's arrived, I don't find that encouraging, because what I see is we're not going to bed till the milk floats are out.
01:30:14.000And there's a reference from the British among you.
01:30:16.000Is there an intention to keep the world hanging on, not knowing if Campbell is coming on or not?
01:30:23.000Because they must have known when Taylor Swift's plane was landing.
01:30:28.000If you'd invited her, you'd have factored that in, wouldn't you?
01:30:30.000You'd know that she was either going to be on before Kamala or after Kamala.
01:30:34.000I would say Taylor Swift has got to immediately proceed.
01:30:39.000Be unburdened by Taylor Swift and enjoy what might be the Kamala Harris presidency.
01:30:45.000I reckon, mate, that... Yeah, that's how it's going to roll out.
01:30:50.000Do you think Taylor's going to do the last big crescendo?
01:34:28.000I think they're both important false claims because both were on a central subject of Democrats' attacks, and that is Project 2025, a conservative think tank's proposals for a next Republican administration.
01:34:39.000Listen to this claim from Congresswoman Lisa Blunt Rochester of Delaware about Project 2025 and former President Trump.
01:34:48.000He has, with his friends, said the quiet parts out loud.
01:34:54.000But not only said them out loud, he wrote a book about it.
01:35:06.000The project's big policy document, published by the Heritage Foundation think tank, lists dozens of people as authors, editors, contributors.
01:35:16.000A Project 2025 spokesman told me tonight no candidate was involved with the drafting of the document.
01:35:21.000Now, it is fair to say Trump has extensive ties to Project 2025, and CNN has reported that more than half of those authors, editors, and contributors worked at some point in his administration.
01:35:33.000But that's different than saying Trump actually wrote it.
01:35:36.000Now, let's also play something that Colorado's governor, Jared Polis, said about what's in that Project 2025 document.
01:35:44.000Page 451 says the only legitimate family is a married mother and father where only the father works.
01:35:55.000Project 2025 does not say there is only one kind of legitimate family, let alone say that families in which a mother works outside the home is illegitimate.
01:36:04.000A Heritage Foundation spokeswoman, who's a working mom herself, told me tonight the governor's claim is a lie.
01:36:10.000Now, if you read the page the governor mentioned, you'll see it does express a preference for a certain kind of family.
01:36:16.000It says, quote, families comprised of a married mother, father, and their children are the foundation of a healthy society.
01:36:22.000It then goes on to criticize Biden policies that supposedly subsidize single motherhood and focus on LGBT equity.
01:36:29.000You can obviously debate all of that, but nowhere does Project 2025 say a family is not legitimate if the mom has a job.
01:36:37.000Some of the facts were so egregious that even CNN had to fact check them.
01:36:42.000And we did that, of course, because some claims were made about veterans right there.
01:36:47.000And I think one of the things you have to be alert to when you get sucked into, it seems odd to call it minutiae when it's so obviously grand, but when you get pulled into the tropes of American politics, is that while all of this is happening, There are American service personnel right now engaged in wars that are unnecessary and certainly on the brink of being further inveigled.
01:37:14.000Certainly, you know, we know about the bases in Ukraine.
01:37:17.000Certainly, it seems that there's an appetite for further conflict, for further involvement in various conflicts.
01:37:21.000The botched Afghanistan campaign and withdrawal still kind of seems pretty recent.
01:42:55.000Also, there's no bombing, but that doesn't matter.
01:42:57.000You know, did you see, we saw it first on Rogan, then we did it on our show, A Common Pathway, where Joe Rogan pulled up Trump on the view prior to the announcement of his candidacy.
01:44:14.000If there had been a Democrat president that during their tenure hadn't bombed anyone, like, you know, we know that Barack Obama droned more kids than George W. Bush, so we shouldn't be surprised that George W. Bush might be brought out along with Taylor Swift and maybe some drones as a sort of coronation of Kamala.
01:45:23.000I've actually forgotten why they hate Trump so much.
01:45:25.000into action between now and November 10th.
01:45:29.000I've actually forgotten why they hate Trump so much.
01:45:31.000I mean apart from some ill-advised things said, what's at the root of the absolute loathing?
01:45:41.000Look, I can remember, when he first announced that he was running, the world being what it is, everything a matter of record, there's loads of videos of me going, you can't have Donald Trump as president, it's ridiculous, he's insane!
01:45:55.000And when he said those things like, you can't have the drug dealers coming across the border, sex criminals...
01:46:01.000I was like, fucking hell, this guy's out of control, man.
01:46:04.000But like, you know, since Biden began to emulate his border policies anyway, the much-mooted cages were there prior to his tenure, it sort of just started over time to recognise it was a kind of a hatchet job.
01:46:16.000It's a hatchet job. It didn't hurt any of it.
01:46:19.000To defend truth, defend democracy and decency.
01:46:29.000Did you hear Mike Benz's analysis that democracy now doesn't mean electoral ballot or mandate.
01:46:37.000It means a set of institutions that have to be protected.
01:46:40.000It means The judiciary, the CIA, the deep state.
01:46:44.000So when there's a war to defend democracy in Ukraine where there is no elections and only one TV channel, you still call it a war for democracy?
01:46:52.000Ironically, it's not about the demos at all.
01:50:29.000But shouldn't you have been like, you know, running me?
01:50:32.000Well there was talk of it at the time, but of course isn't like again to house the sort of vertiginous and ludicrous g-force of the current news cycle.
01:50:44.000What I heard is that they were discussing it and that he was even in Milwaukee at the time.
01:50:52.000But that was like the Republican movement were riding high.
01:50:57.000Trump's off the back of an assassination attempt.
01:50:59.000You know, it's like he's still running against Biden.
01:51:04.000My instinctive reaction to that is just, I think no matter whether you approve of him or like him or what you want to
01:51:16.000see him as Prez, he could really do it.
01:51:20.000Do you know, when he spoke, when he speaks, he's brilliant.
01:53:47.000But the only times I've ever done this boxing, or when sort of computers were like, when I was little, and like, oh, I'll play on a computer all night with my cousin.
01:54:07.000I always remember, not that I have any real... Or World Cups in their own country.
01:54:11.000Personal experience, but it started with Withnell and I, when Withnell's in the bar, and he's talking about... As soon as you stop, whatever it is you're taking, all the frozen moments... Oh my God, that is so beautiful.
01:54:25.000All the frozen moments come back, or something, and I thought, even though I hadn't... I couldn't exactly empathise, I thought, I bet that's right.
01:54:32.000She raised us to believe that we could be and do anything.
01:57:41.000I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare.
01:57:47.000And I have spent many years now as a private citizen, as First Lady and now as Senator, Trying to make it rare.
01:57:58.000Trying to create the conditions where women had other choices.
01:58:04.000I have supported adoption, foster care.
01:58:07.000I helped to create the campaign against teenage pregnancy, which fulfilled our original goal ten years ago of reducing teenage pregnancies by about a third.
01:58:21.000You know, when I think about this issue, I think about the whole range of concerns and challenges associated with it, and I will continue to do what I can to reduce the number and to improve and increase the care for women, and particularly the adoption system and the other opportunities that women would have to make I do not view abortion as a choice in a right.
01:58:52.000And I think that it should be rare and safe.
01:58:56.000And I think we should be focusing on how to limit the number of abortions.
01:59:00.000So I guess what the clip is there to demonstrate is how their position has evolved and how, as that point of difference has become more significant, as the parties have kind of merged, the emphasis on that point of difference has become, forgive the word, you will surely notice this, hysterical.
01:59:18.000Because that's one of the few areas, because I can't say we're going to end war, or we're pro free speech, or end inequality, but we're going to really lean into reproduction.
01:59:31.000Whoever scripted that, for either of those people, that's a reasonable thing to be heard saying about a very emotive topic.
02:01:51.000Actually, I see why the drummer's now, because when they get out the sort of people you normally see, like, old white fellas, you do sort of think, hmm, this is boring, actually.
02:04:36.000Well, like, if there were no other considerations other than would it be good to have a woman of colour be president who fought her way to the top through a tough legal system, if that was the only reality, and it is a reality, then I'd go that's really great, yes, if everything else was equal.
02:04:56.000But the problem is, as I regard it, that these, ultimately the figures that appear before us
02:05:04.000are the end point of institutional corruption. It's just a casting.
02:05:08.000That whole colour element of the way in which people are pitched, she is pitched, hand on
02:05:17.000heart, not only but partly because I wasn't paying particularly close attention, when
02:05:24.000I was aware of Kamala Harris to begin with, I didn't notice what...
02:05:29.000Her ethnicity didn't register with me at all.
02:05:34.000I mean, I'm not saying love me, love me, I'm pure of heart or anything, but I just didn't, it never occurred to me that she was what she was at all.
02:05:42.000I didn't think about it in that respect.
02:05:44.000It was only when some other people made it an issue that I thought, oh, right, right.
02:07:48.000Yeah, and that's sort of where I came in some years ago in British politics.
02:07:51.000I was like, well, what's the bloody difference?
02:07:53.000You know, when it was like, you know, when we were sort of squabbling over, you know, David Cameron or Ed Miliband, you know, like, it was like, well, what are we getting all worked up about?
02:08:03.000Or even something more superficially meaningful, like, you know, Blair versus one of his many electoral devourings.
02:08:13.000Please welcome the Democratic nominee for President, Vice President of the United States of America, Kamala Harris.
02:08:21.000Wait a minute, where the fuck is Taylor Swift?
02:11:27.000Let's start by thanking my most incredible husband, Doug, for being an incredible partner to me, an incredible father to Colin, Ella, and happy anniversary, Dougie.
02:13:21.000So my mother was 19 when she crossed the world alone, traveling from India to California with an unshakable dream to be the scientist who would cure breast cancer.
02:13:39.000When she finished school, she was supposed to return home to a traditional arranged marriage.
02:13:46.000But as fate would have it, she met my father, Donald Harris, a student from Jamaica.
02:13:54.000They fell in love and got married and that act of self-determination made my sister Maya and me.
02:14:10.000I will always remember that big Mayflower truck, packed with all our belongings, ready to go to Illinois, to Wisconsin, and wherever our parents' jobs took us.
02:14:27.000My early memories of our parents together are very joyful ones.
02:14:32.000A home filled with laughter and music.
02:14:46.000It feels like an acceptance speech at the Oscars.
02:14:53.000This thanking people just for being... Or it's like a wedding speech.
02:14:58.000Thanks for coming such a long way, you know, to see me here today.
02:15:05.000I can't imagine that this is what like Jimmy Carter would have been doing or even Clinton but it's a pretty unique situation in so much as she's the sitting VP.
02:15:17.000Biden's been extracted under really extraordinary circumstances so in a sense I suppose the elevation of sentiment is kind of required to obfuscate how odd the entire ceremony is.
02:15:34.000Walking death rattles beneath Captain Custer's sails.
02:18:08.000I grew up immersed in the ideals of the civil rights movement.
02:18:12.000My parents had met at a civil rights gathering, and they made sure that we learned about civil rights leaders, including the lawyers like Thurgood Marshall and Constance Baker Motley.
02:18:27.000Those who battled in the courtroom to make real the promise of America.
02:18:33.000So at a young age, I decided I wanted to do that work.
02:20:53.000And so, on behalf of the people, on behalf of every American, regardless of party, race, gender, or the language your grandmother speaks, on behalf of my mother and everyone who has ever set out on their own unlikely journey, On behalf of Americans like the people I grew up with, people who work hard, chase their dreams, and look out for one another.
02:21:32.000On behalf of everyone whose story could only be written in the greatest nation on earth, I accept your nomination to be President of the United
02:23:24.000I will be a president who unites us around our highest aspirations.
02:23:38.000A president who leads and listens, who is realistic, practical, and has common sense, and always fights for the American people.
02:23:55.000From the courthouse to the White House, that has been my life's work.
02:24:03.000As a young courtroom prosecutor in Oakland, California, I stood up for women and children against predators who abused them.
02:24:15.000As Attorney General of California, I took on the big banks.
02:24:21.000I delivered $20 billion for middle-class families who faced foreclosure and helped pass a homeowner bill of rights, one of the first of its kind in the nation.
02:24:37.000I stood up for veterans and students being scammed by big for-profit colleges.
02:24:46.000For workers who are being cheated out of their wages, the wages they were due.
02:29:09.000And we know what a second Trump term would look like.
02:29:13.000It's all laid out in Project 2025, written by his closest... Another reference is, he was president for four years, and it was relatively peaceful.
02:29:38.000We are not going back to when Donald Trump tried to cut Social Security and Medicare.
02:29:45.000We are not going back to when he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, when insurance companies could deny people with pre-existing conditions.
02:29:56.000We are not going to let him eliminate the Department of Education that funds our public schools.
02:30:05.000We are not going to let him end programs like Head Start that provide preschool and childcare for our children.
02:30:30.000A new way of sentiment forward to a future with a strong and growing middle class because we know a strong middle class has always been critical to America's success and building that middle class will be a defining goal of my presidency.
02:30:55.000But what have they done for that middle class for the last four years?
02:31:22.000Because, as she taught us, opportunity is not available to everyone.
02:31:29.000That's why we will create what I call an opportunity economy.
02:31:33.000An opportunity economy where everyone has the chance to compete and a chance to succeed.
02:31:46.000You live in a rural area, small town, or big city.
02:31:52.000And as president, I will bring together labor, and workers, and small business owners, and entrepreneurs, and American companies to create jobs, to grow our economy, and to lower the cost of everyday needs like health care, and housing, and groceries.
02:32:13.000We will provide Access to capital for small business owners and entrepreneurs and founders.
02:32:20.000And we will end America's housing shortage.
02:32:24.000And protect Social Security and Medicare.
02:32:38.000Because I think everyone here knows he doesn't actually fight for the middle class.
02:32:43.000He doesn't actually fight for the middle class.
02:32:45.000Instead, he fights for himself and his billionaire friends.
02:32:49.000And he will give them another round of tax breaks that will add up to $5 trillion to the national debt.
02:33:00.000And all the while, he intends to enact what, in effect, is a national sales tax—call it a Trump tax—that would raise prices on middle-class families by almost $4,000 a year.
02:33:17.000Well, instead of a Trump tax hike, we will pass a middle-class tax cut that will benefit
02:34:28.000Over the past two years, I've traveled across our country, and women have told me their stories.
02:34:36.000Husbands and fathers have shared theirs.
02:34:40.000Stories of women miscarrying in a parking lot, developing sepsis, losing the ability to ever again have children, all because doctors are afraid they may go to jail for caring for their patients.
02:34:58.000Couples just trying to grow their family, cut off in the middle of IVF treatments.
02:35:05.000Children who have survived sexual assault, potentially being forced to carry a pregnancy to term.
02:35:15.000This is what's happening in our country because of Donald Trump.
02:35:24.000As a part of his agenda, He and his allies would limit access to birth control, ban medication abortion, and enact a nationwide abortion ban with or without Congress.
02:39:01.000But that's obstructed at the moment because the Democrats tried to fold in funding for Ukraine into the same oil.
02:39:17.000If they were serious about, let's deal with one thing at a time, all they had to do was take the I don't understand why people don't just pick that up all the time.
02:39:24.000That's what the Republicans were halting on...
02:40:11.000In the numerous forthcoming global conflicts that we are being ushered into.
02:40:20.000It's tonal, I suppose, because it's interesting, isn't it, that what's preceded this are like homilies from ordinary folk, drummers, celebrities, so the sort of somber, serious tone in itself Passes for substance, unless you observe that this is a person who is already in office, that has had four years in office.
02:40:45.000It's, I suppose, reminiscent of Biden's We Beat Big Pharma this year, which seems like an odd dynamic for a sitting president to evoke when sitting as commander-in-chief.
02:40:57.000But as you pointed out Neil, the sort of presumed dynamic is we're outside of this and if you allow us to access the
02:41:08.000levers of power, these are the things we'll do.
02:41:09.000But these levers are already accessible.
02:41:24.000The message is that they were powerless because they already are the presidency now.
02:41:32.000And if they haven't done any of these things, which she says are doable, then it begs the question, does the executive not have the necessary authority?
02:41:47.000What's missing from your toolbox of getting these things done?
02:41:53.000I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself.
02:41:59.000And I will always ensure that Israel has the ability to defend itself.
02:42:05.000Because the people of Israel must never again face the horror that a terrorist organization called Hamas caused on October 7.
02:42:18.000Including unspeakable sexual violence and the massacre of young people at a music festival.
02:42:28.000At the same time, what has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating.
02:42:41.000Desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again.
02:42:48.000The scale of suffering is heartbreaking.
02:42:53.000President Biden and I are working to end this war such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, So that's the kind of key brinkmanship required to simultaneously support those two opposing ideas.
02:43:22.000I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.
02:43:35.000I will not cozy up to tyrants and dictators like Kim Jong-un, who are rooting for Trump!
02:45:32.000An America where we care for one another, look out for one another, and recognize that we have so much more in common than what separates us.
02:45:49.000That none of us, none of us has to fail for all of us to succeed.
02:46:33.000America, let us show each other and the world who we are and what we stand for.
02:46:47.000freedom, opportunity, compassion, dignity, fairness, and endless possibilities.
02:46:56.000We are the heirs to the greatest democracy in the history of the world.
02:47:12.000And on behalf of our children and our grandchildren and all those who sacrificed so dearly for our freedom and liberty, we must be worthy of this moment.
02:47:30.000It is now our turn to do what generations before us have done, guided by optimism and faith to fight for this country we love, to fight for the ideals we cherish, and to uphold the awesome responsibility That comes with the greatest privilege on earth.
02:48:05.000The privilege and pride of being an American!
02:48:16.000Yeah, but if you extracted this from any other understanding or appreciation of what's been happening for the last four years, and this is a person who's been in the office to some degree for the last four years, as rhetoric, it's like, oh, I understand tonally what we're doing, but it's easy to...
02:48:37.000When all you are is a commentator, you know, then all you have are words, you know, because you don't have any... that's all you have.
02:48:48.000And if her words don't ever have to... if she just says things that don't matter, that don't have to be enacted, that don't have to be made manifest, Writing stuff like that's the easiest gig in town.
02:49:02.000You just say, you just say, I'm gonna make this the bestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestestest Less than none of it done.
02:49:21.000It moves between platitudes and superlatives, and you have to, I suppose, decode where there's a kind of inference that there would be a policy, whether it's we're going to reduce these tax cuts, we're going to perpetuate that war, we're going to honour service people because we're continuing down this road with NATO, the border's going to be fine, and the sort of odd brinkmanship required around, of course, what's happening in the Middle East.
02:49:48.000Somehow, simultaneously, honour Joe Biden while saying that this is going to be a new start.
02:49:55.000And also, we've got to recognise that this is a person that's not been nominated in any kind of ordinary or precedented capacity.
02:51:00.000Signifier says a masterclass in a platitudinous oratory.
02:51:06.000And now there's sort of recognisable descending balloons filled with air, going nowhere, much like what's preceded it.
02:51:14.000And the message I got as well, is it deliberate that Michelle Obama did her thing about my mama you know taught us to be frugal and not to not to take more than you need which is you know fair enough but i myself decided to get as many hundreds of millions as i could possibly get and damn the consequences and kamala harris did more or less the same thing she invoked the spirit of her mother who was a you know who she described as a hard-working diligent responsible parent you know firm but fair
02:51:45.000You know, taught our daughters to be proud and so on and so on.
02:51:48.000But, yeah, but I didn't do any of that.
02:51:51.000I've taken a different path entirely again.
02:51:54.000Why did they both invoke a parent whose message they have set aside in the lives that they manifest?
02:52:02.000Well, what a lot of people are calling this in the chat is Kamala Geddon to partner our British version Starmageddon.
02:52:11.000I would imagine that the CNN pundits that lauded Michelle Obama will be Deeply satisfied with that as a speech.
02:52:21.000She didn't consider what it's being compared to.
02:52:24.000She didn't blunder or slip up or meander.
02:52:29.000Because in a way, I reckon as a rebranding exercise, it's going to be considered a success.
02:52:36.000Because in a way, unburdened of what might have been, i.e.
02:52:40.000Joe Biden, it does seem like, oh well this is a coherent political machine.
02:52:46.000But as you pointed out, Neil, and as the chat is throbbing with, this is a person that's already in office.
02:52:54.000These things could be delivered immediately.
02:52:57.000There's some complexity and contradiction in it.
02:53:36.000And we'll get to work on packaging this.
02:53:40.000Thank you so much for joining us, all of you.
02:53:42.000We'll stay with you for another few minutes.
02:53:44.000Neil and I, I would say, because you're invited to watch the whole thing as a kind of performance and spectacle, whether it's the drummers, the omelettes from, inverted commas, ordinary people or the
02:53:57.000various warm-up exercises, the encouraging chants. In its own terms, it's a success. Like
02:54:03.000any political speech can be regarded as a success if a person comes out and says things
02:54:08.000that would be nice were they to happen or were they to be possible.
02:54:11.000If all that matters is promising everybody a pet unicorn, then yeah, it was terrific.
02:54:15.000Do you remember, like, you know, it's only recently that it's become clear that there's
02:54:19.000a full resumption of selling arms to Saudi Arabia. When Joe Biden was at a comparable
02:54:25.000moment in his own campaign, that was a pledge, there was a pledge that that would never happen,
02:54:30.000that Saudi Arabia would remain a pariah, because that was a pledge.
02:54:33.000That was the kind of thing that sounded nice at that time.
02:54:37.000And now what sounds nice are the set of sometimes contradictory platitudes that we've been offered there.
02:54:44.000Some of the things I guess we've got to follow up on is what does this mean about Ukraine-NATO?
02:54:47.000What does this mean of the likelihood of escalating tensions with Russia?
02:54:52.000What does it mean like many of the sort of allusions to tax cuts?
02:54:57.000And what about the realities of the shifting polarities in the world?
02:55:02.000What about the emergence of the BRICS nations?
02:55:07.000What about the North-South trade corridor?
02:55:11.000What about the demise of the petrol dollar?
02:55:15.000You know, you need to stir some reality into that otherwise vanilla custard of nothing.
02:55:23.000Yeah, the yielding of national sovereign power to global organisations, whether that's the WHO or the WF, there's so much has been obfuscated, but coming as it did in the midst of a festival of obfuscation, it kind of fitted in.
02:55:41.000But if empty, vacuous bollocks is your bag, then that was a cracker.
02:55:47.000She is interested in not just doing what the left or the right says you should be on, in terms of the ideological side.
02:55:58.000She did a workmanlike job of delivering it.
02:56:01.000I'll tell you so, in terms of delivery.
02:56:03.000Yeah, that's sort of well-focused, I reckon.
02:57:01.000Another of the, I thought, problems was the immediate following of calls for unity and a pledge to govern for everyone with further incendiary rhetoric and amplification of the events of January 6th and Donald Trump's participation and involvement in them.
02:57:19.000You've got to come to it with a lot of assumed knowledge.
02:57:22.000I saw in one moment she said, like, she sent an armed mob.
02:57:26.000to the Capitol. There was a lot of talk there in the chat from you guys about like armed,
02:57:32.000what do you mean by that? And mob and right there's so there's in a way I suppose we've all
02:57:39.000been pre-bunked so successfully if this is the type of media that you consume but I don't I don't
02:57:45.000suppose that anyone's going to watch that that's inclined towards a centrist authoritarian sugar
02:57:53.000coated form of government that's going to sort of startle them.
02:57:58.000This is what you would anticipate, it's what you would expect.
02:58:02.000What we were talking about earlier today, we were suggesting and talking about the opportunity to be statesman-like and it involves going further than, as you say, just continuing at every opportunity after promising unity to just shake the jar of ants again.
02:58:23.000Am I just hopelessly naive in thinking that there's a further step to be taken that actually begins to do the job that they talk about, which is creating unity, by acknowledging that half of the country is terribly upset and hurt by the way it has been portrayed and the way someone that they absolutely idolise in the form of Donald Trump is vilified and threatened with jail time?
02:58:53.000It doesn't seem to me to be a great leap of thinking.
02:58:57.000I would step across that and say, we're done with that.
02:59:02.000We've had years of it now, of division.
02:59:05.000People could throw it back in your face, but then that's not your fault.
02:59:09.000You could offer it, you could say we have to get beyond this and we have to treat each other with respect.
02:59:14.000But at the first opportunity you're right back in basket of deplorables territory in the people that were at the Capitol building.
02:59:25.000Well, it will indeed be an interesting 70 days.
02:59:28.000Some of the things that we'll be looking at on tomorrow's show is the seeming likely cessation of Bobby Kennedy's campaign and a potential alliance with Donald Trump.
02:59:40.000We'll of course be looking at the media analysis and presumed celebration of that speech that
03:00:53.000What an unexpected spectacle to have been a witness to.
03:00:58.000There was a point eerie, there was a point disturbing.
03:01:01.000I think we could just fetch us a couple of blankets, tinfoil ones if they're available.
03:01:07.000We'll use some for our hats that we usually wear and we'll settle ourselves down for a lovely sleep together and we'll begin again tomorrow.