In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, Russell Brand is joined by his good friend Kit Clarenberg to talk about how US and UK intelligence agencies carry out spying and sabotage the activities of the MIC, the military-industrial complex, and big tech companies. They also discuss the evolving narrative around coronavirus and the potential for centralised solutions, and where there are problems and potential blockages in the evolving story. And, of course, there's a Man of Mystery, where Russell talks about why Joe Biden spends so much time in African-American churches and why he doesn't seem particularly worried about the environmental impact of climate change. Stay free with Russell Brand wherever you get your news and gossip, and don't forget to leave us a five star rating and review on Apple Podcasts, too! Subscribe to stayfree.co.uk/StayFree with Russell and tweet us if you like what you heard. with the hashtag and tag to be featured on the next episode. tag=289421& tag=%20StayFree%20with%20Russell%20Brand%20and%20the%20brand%20s We are working on a new show called Stay Free with Russell%20 Brand, coming soon, so stay free with us! Timestamps: 0:00 - 5:30 - What are you waiting for? 6:15 - What do you want from the future? 7:00- 8:00 9: What s your favourite part of the show? 11:00 | What szn=3? 13: 14:40 - What's your favorite part? 15: Is it a good idea? 16:00 +16:00s - What s a good day? 17:00+17:00? 18:30-20s - How do you feel about it? 19:30s - Is it possible to be a better than that? 21:00 & 22:00Solo? 22:40s - Who do you think it s a better? 25:00 ? 27: Is there a better way to make it better than a good thing? 26:00 // 27:00/30s? 29:00 / 30s & 30s? +33? 35:00&36? 36:00 Or do you have a problem with it ?
00:02:42.000We're talking about, well, today we've got it all.
00:02:47.000We'll be talking about the evolving narrative around coronavirus and the proposed potentially centralised solutions and who they benefited and where there are problems and potential blockages around the evolving narrative.
00:03:01.000Of course, we have to be somewhat cautious in the manner we talk about this while we are on several platforms.
00:03:07.000Once on Rumble, oh, the gloves come off!
00:03:10.000Once we're on Rumble, then we use the freedom of speech to bring people together, to convey love and truth.
00:03:15.000Certainly not to turn people against one another.
00:03:18.000We're talking about the Ukraine war a little bit with our guest.
00:03:22.000We're going to be talking about how the media cope with the evolution of this story.
00:03:27.000In a sense, the problem is if you politicise information, you have a problem when you need to de-politicise that information.
00:03:37.000Once you have to extricate the information, for example if the story changes around certain medications and the success of certain measures, you find yourself in a position where you have to de-politicise something that was politicised.
00:03:48.000A fascinating phenomenon for anyone that's interested in observing media techniques and the difference between information and propaganda.
00:03:55.000We've got a fantastic guest on that note.
00:03:57.000Kit Clarenberg is joining us to talk to us about how US and UK intelligence agencies carry out spying and sabotage the amount of MIC, that's Military Industrial Complex for the uninitiated.
00:04:09.000Oh yeah, I've got all sorts of acronyms.
00:04:10.000how they invested in early big tech enterprises and perhaps how the
00:04:15.000relationship between the state, the military-industrial complex and big tech
00:04:18.000organizations continues to this day. And of course the Twitter files
00:04:22.000hello Elon, give us a wave, how the Twitter files how they made it pretty clear that there was a revolving
00:04:30.000door and a somewhat porous relationship between deep state agencies
00:04:34.000and Twitter with obviously explicitly the FBI paying millions of dollars to
00:04:39.000Twitter for some control Pfizer having the ability to censor tweets, lots of
00:07:10.000If you go to a disco for example, your first maybe school disco or something, you're a bit embarrassed because you didn't really know how to dance and you just stand there and watch everyone else.
00:07:32.000Certainly Joe Biden doesn't know what to do with his body language with these ongoing revelations.
00:07:37.000I do want to hear a little bit more about that.
00:07:38.000Oh yeah, I do want to hear because of course this is all predicated on the idea that Joe Biden is never out of evangelical churches.
00:07:45.000Apparently long-time congregants of the church that he's talking about told the Washington Free Breakin' at the time that they didn't recall Biden attending the church.
00:07:54.000The revelation came about the same time Biden was forced to admit he repeated claims about being arrested in an apartheid era South Africa were also untrue.
00:08:02.000So the person who was with us said, I was never arrested, and I don't think Biden was.
00:08:04.000And then Biden had to say, I guess I wasn't arrested, I was stopped.
00:08:15.000Because people might have known, because you've been a senator for like 40 years, so you'd probably be recognised as the only white person in a center.
00:08:21.000I know, probably I was over in South Africa, sticking up for Nelson Mandela.
00:08:24.000That's what I was doing most of the time.
00:08:26.000Well, no one remembers that happening.
00:08:29.000Yeah, well, Joe, you don't remember much, darling.
00:08:31.000Where the hell do you keep your documents?
00:08:34.000To be honest, he may have put these documents there thinking that they were a filing cabinet, but they're strewn.
00:08:40.000About six more classified documents were found during a 13-hour search of Joe Biden's Delaware home, a lawyer said.
00:08:47.000If you're watching us on Twitter or YouTube, stay with us because we're going to be talking in a little bit about the ongoing distinction in the way these stories are reported.
00:08:57.000For example, The reporting on the revelation that Biden had classified documents in his homes versus the Trump revelations.
00:09:05.000And again, we got no skin in the game.
00:09:06.000We believe in systems that are transcendent of establishment interests and true democracy for you, freedom for the individual, democracy for the community.
00:09:14.000That's what we believe in, just in case you're interested.
00:09:16.000Later, we're going to be talking as well about some of the profits, the reporting and misinformation around the coronavirus pandemic and the lockdown.
00:09:23.000And again, the struggle that the media are having adapting to this narrative.
00:09:28.000Here's a mainstream media outlet reporting on Biden's documents.
00:09:32.000Now pay attention to the rather anodyne bureaucratic language that's used to describe this problem in this instance.
00:09:39.000Our most recent ABC News Ipsos poll says 64% of those in the latest poll, and that was before this latest discovery, believed he acted inappropriately.
00:09:53.000Having those classified documents, was it appropriate or inappropriate?
00:09:58.000That's the language you would use for if someone farted at a meal, like a silent fart.
00:10:03.000I remember when you did that and I thought it was inappropriate.
00:11:07.000Let me know in the comments if you're on Twitter watching this.
00:11:09.000Tweet about how you feel the mainstream media presents these stories in ways that create like almost a cataclysmic difference, whereas there simply isn't an objective difference.
00:11:21.000Now, we've got a lot of examples of how around the pandemic, reporting got a little bit out of hand because of the politicization of information.
00:11:29.000If you're watching this on YouTube, you know what kind of censorship goes on there, you beautiful awakening wonder.
00:11:34.000If you're watching this on Twitter, you'll know how deeply state organisations infiltrated and indeed paid for a degree of control over what's supposed to be a private public forum.
00:11:44.000A private forum, at least it's privately owned, available to the public.
00:11:47.000Now, when we're talking about the pandemic, all we want is objectivity, transparency and clarity.
00:11:54.000I don't believe that anyone should take advice from someone who's not qualified, and I don't believe that we should be hectored or bullied into taking a certain course of action unless it's legitimate science, not corporatized science.
00:12:05.000Do you remember, though, when Don Lemon said this?
00:12:10.000I think we have to stop coddling people when it comes to this and the vaccine, saying, oh, you can't shame them.
00:12:51.000Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments, generate the content for yourself.
00:12:54.000Do you think that Rachel Maddow, who I've, you know, I've got nothing against Rachel,
00:12:57.000I think she's a lovely human being as a matter of fact, but do you think that Rachel Maddow
00:13:01.000would have said this if the information we have now is accessible?
00:13:05.000And do you think that this warrants a kind of an apology or redress?
00:13:09.000It means that instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person to person, spreading and spreading, sickening some of them, but not all of them, and the ones that it doesn't sicken don't know they have it, and then they give it to even more people because they didn't recognize they were...
00:13:25.000instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person.
00:13:28.000There's a pretty enthusiastic endorsement.
00:13:29.000And again, this is not criticism of Rachel Maddow.
00:13:32.000It's saying that, oughtn't there be a more transparent
00:13:36.000and clear conversation now, given some of the certainty and piety
00:13:40.000that accompanied the onset of this pandemic, which however you regard it,
00:13:44.000certainly created a good many financial opportunities and the opportunity for centralized authorities
00:13:49.000to regulate and assert control, which is their de facto mentality, I would argue.
00:13:54.000Have we got the Biden one or are we going to move on to this sort of sanction news story?
00:13:58.000And Gareth, I can see that you're chomping at the bit to make one of your brilliant points.
00:14:01.000I mean, just to go along with what you were saying there, it's interesting that use of the word shame, isn't it, from Don Lemon there.
00:14:06.000And yet you've got a situation now where we've literally found out that Covid-19 drug makers Pressure Twitter to censor activists pushing for a generic vaccine.
00:14:14.000This wasn't about whether or not to have a vaccine or no vaccine.
00:14:19.000one that wouldn't be profitable or as profitable for these big companies like Pfizer, etc.
00:14:24.000When we talk about shame and shaming people...
00:14:27.000Don Lemon should maybe not think about shaming unvaccinated people who are thinking for various reasons that they don't want to take some medicine.
00:14:33.000But where's the shame for these companies?
00:14:36.000We don't need to get drawn on matters of vaccine efficacy, which is still subject to a good degree of censorship on certain platforms.
00:14:43.000You can simply make the case But when we now know these organisations, whether it's the CDC or indeed in this case Pfizer, were removing unfavourable information like the promotion of generic vaccines, that's not anti-vax at all.
00:15:03.000And in fact, there is a lot of examples now of reporting that's not remotely anti-vaccine.
00:15:15.000It's about the politicisation of information.
00:15:19.000It's about making information overly incendiary, overly hyperbolic.
00:15:23.000When even though we're accused sometimes of being conspiratorial, what we want is transparency, clarity, balance, individual freedom, community democracy.
00:15:31.000We're not arguing for you to do anything in particular.
00:15:36.000Look at this card again, for God's sake.
00:15:37.000They won't obviously shame Pfizer or any of these companies because they contribute quite a lot in advertising revenue.
00:15:43.000It seems that continuing to condemn the individual, whether it's with regard to this story or other stories, is always favourable to making centralised and powerful organisations culpable for the influence and power that they assert over our social system.
00:16:01.000I'm sure all of us can remember Joe Biden saying things that are pretty crazy.
00:16:04.000There's a story now about this guy that bought a mansion on one of the quantitative easings for COVID payments.
00:16:13.000You know they made all those payments in the States and he misspent the money on a bunch of mansions and stuff like that.
00:16:19.000Now look at how they focus on an individual misusing an emergency funding package Presumably because it's exploiting, exploitative and profiteering for him to have taken advantage of such a program.
00:16:32.000Have a look at how this is reported and then we've got some information about elsewhere.
00:16:36.000Profits being made, power being consumed.
00:16:55.000State Attorney says Don Sisternino was finally extradited from Croatia to Central Florida.
00:17:01.000It's here where he'll be facing charges.
00:17:02.000Those charges include wire fraud and aggravated identity theft from over a year ago.
00:17:07.000Investigators say he went on a spending spree here in Seminole County.
00:17:12.000Once he got his hands on over $7 million in loans from the Paycheck Protection Program, Investigators say he didn't spend a dime on qualifying expenses.
00:17:21.000They say instead he brought a Lincoln Navigator, a Maserati, a Mercedes-Benz.
00:17:26.000This is a story that's designed to direct our ire at somebody who's exploiting a program that's meant to benefit people.
00:17:34.000Those of you with memories might recall that at the beginning of the pandemic, Albert Ball, a CEO of Pfizer, said it would be unconscionable to glean profits from a situation that was ultimately a health emergency, where it is our social collective duty to aid one another in a difficult time.
00:17:52.000Well, Pfizer CEO Albert Baller received 24.3 million in total compensation for 2021.
00:17:58.000Let's have a look at Moderna and what they received.
00:18:01.000Oh, this is about, listen, Moderna considers pricing COVID vaccine at $110, 4,000% markup.
00:18:08.000And I suppose this is as it transitions from being a government purchase product to a consumer product.
00:18:14.000It shows, I suppose, that the drive for profits certainly had an impact on the way that this
00:18:40.000And we use that freedom not to drive people apart from one another, but to bring people together.
00:18:45.000Those of us on the boundaries, those of us on the peripheries, we have more in common with one another than all of the centralized authorities that benefit again and again from various crises and benefit from keeping us in the dark.
00:18:57.000Rishi Sunak, a former WEF stooge, is my understanding, whose wife's family have strong ties with Davos and the WEF through their tech corporation.
00:19:07.000Who was one of the founders of the hedge fund that invested heavily in Moderna, refuses to say if he will profit from the Moderna COVID vaccine.
00:19:16.000He was a founding partner of the sort of hedge fund that started it.
00:19:20.000Stock market filings show that that one, I think they called Faleem, I can't say that right.
00:19:25.000There's $500 million investment in the US-based company Moderna, which accounts for around 20% of the money it manages at about $2.5 billion.
00:19:32.000And Gareth, didn't we do a story and haven't we got a presentation later this week about the Moderna booster shots and its lack of efficacy Again, we're going to dive deeper into the politicisation of this information because we have no view on what is right for you, for your family, for your health.
00:19:49.000We do have a view on how the media and how powerful central institutions have handled this story.
00:19:55.000Oh my God, and what's this now in Forbes?
00:19:57.00040 new billionaires who got rich fighting COVID.
00:20:00.000I think the point with the media, again it's a bit shown in the last clip that we showed there, a way of sensationalizing something that an individual is at fault for.
00:20:08.000And yeah, of course what that guy did is abhorrent and terrible and that's like public money that, you know, should have been spent like that.
00:20:15.000But when they're reporting on that and spending 10 minutes talking about it, they're also not reporting on how Big Pharma is fighting for tight control over COVID-19 vaccine production, limiting availability worldwide while reaping billions.
00:20:26.000So this is the pushing when people have been pushing for low cost vaccines, that again is a pro-vaccine story.
00:20:33.000But Big Pharma are pushing against it.
00:20:35.000In the same way with like Biden and Trump, it's not matched, the reporting.
00:20:39.000One person does this, the other does that.
00:20:41.000And it's reported in a sensational way for Trump and a non sensational way for Biden.
00:20:45.000Pushing for low-cost vaccines is not an anti-vax stance.
00:20:49.000That is a pro-vaccine stance, but anti-profiteering.
00:21:53.000Do you think, if you agree with this, they could have just said, listen, we're not sure how effective these vaccines are yet, they might be helpful for certain people, particularly the vulnerable people, it seems the lockdowns are ineffective, it's good for you to do exercise, you should probably take some vitamin D, we're not sure about masks, natural immunity, Appears to be effective.
00:22:10.000They've done no tests on transmission, so we don't know whether or not the vaccines prevent transmission.
00:22:44.000It was a kind of dividing people, creating a two-tier society that the media played a huge part in, obviously driven a lot by pharmaceutical companies and the sponsorship of these media companies.
00:22:57.000But a lot of the issues that now the media will talk about, oh, why do we have this society in which everything's so fractured?
00:23:02.000Well, you played a huge part in it during the pandemic.
00:23:09.000Look at the mainstream media grappling with the problems that they have created through their undue politicisation of what always have been a medical issue.
00:23:19.00033 states are showing increases of up to 50% or more deaths this week compared to last week.
00:23:25.000In a Washington Post op-ed, Senate Medical Analyst and former Baltimore Health Commissioner Dr. Lena Nguyen asks, are some of these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID dying?
00:23:36.000From COVID with COVID is almost like the catchphrase of people that quite early on, and let me know in the chat if this was you, was suspecting that something was not right, that we weren't being told the truth, that figures were being managed and manipulated.
00:23:52.000Like the Don Lemon that was saying people should be shamed, That dude wouldn't be going, oh there's probably some management of figures that's going on to make it favourable so they can justify extreme measures, which in retrospect looks like what happened.
00:24:04.000There was an advantage inflating the nature of the problem in order to get people to be compliant.
00:24:09.000Now my personal opinion is that's a type of tyranny and a relationship with the state and the media that I don't want.
00:24:15.000I don't want my role to be that of a child who has to be startled and spooked into compliance.
00:24:22.000I want a kind of plain, transactional relationship with these agencies.
00:24:51.000Why do you think Don Lemon's saying something like that?
00:24:53.000They benefit from this in much the same way that, for example, politics in America benefits from having They applied a pro-Trump, anti-Trump mentality to a story that never deserved to have that inflection, that was always going to be a medical matter.
00:25:06.000on the right because it benefits them. They're trying to create this society.
00:25:11.000They applied a pro-Trump, anti-Trump mentality to a story that never deserved
00:25:15.000to have that inflection, that was always going to be a medical matter. That's how
00:25:19.000suddenly you get the liberal establishment fighting the interests of
00:25:23.000Big Pharma and making Big Pharma into heroes. When was that, the
00:25:27.000situation that Big Pharma were people that should be, institutions that should
00:25:31.000be prized? It's only a couple of years ago that Pfizer were doing great big payouts.
00:25:35.000It's not that long ago since the opioid crisis and suddenly it was
00:25:39.000foreboding to question the Their intentions and their incentives.
00:25:44.000Oh man, we've got to throw now to our presentation.
00:25:47.000We're going to be taking an in-depth look at this story on our channel later this week.
00:25:53.000You're going to love it, particularly when we combine it with the way that Moderna held back information about the lack of efficacy of their booster shot, presumably because if your booster shot ain't effective, you can't ask the government to give you five billion.
00:26:18.000Now the FDA are, I believe, lobbying to bring in laws to restrict what doctors can advise their patients.
00:26:24.000Once again breaking down relationships that While secular, have come to feel kind of sacred between us and physicians.
00:26:32.000And once again, it's a place where you're starting to feel the creep of power into areas where it simply doesn't belong.
00:26:38.000This is what we've got against centralized power and the WEF and all that stuff.
00:26:42.000It's not like crazy conspiracy theory stuff.
00:26:44.000It's like they're looking to create digital infrastructure.
00:26:46.000We've got a fantastic story later this week about Tony Blair lobbying on behalf of these big tech platforms to ensure that all of us, you, me, everyone has to carry Digital ID, an agenda they had before the pandemic, an agenda they pushed during the pandemic, an agenda that they have now, even though much of the data suggests that people being tracked on the basis of whether or not they were vaxxed wouldn't have made any difference.
00:27:10.000But now, let's have a look at this story about the FDA lobbying to be able to influence laws that will affect your relationship with your doctor.
00:27:31.000Whether it's delivering babies or healing loved ones or being a friendly ear that you can rely on.
00:27:36.000Thank God the FDA are pushing for a new bill whereby they'll be able to prevent doctors prescribing what they want.
00:27:42.000I wonder if that will lead to more profits for Big Pharma because they've had a tough couple of years.
00:27:48.000The FDA are pushing for a new bill which will prohibit your family doctor, if you're lucky enough to still have one, prescribing what they think's best for you in case it's at odds what benefits the profiteering big pharmaceutical industry.
00:28:02.000Let's see how they're going to pull this one off those geniuses.
00:28:05.000All of this seems a bit strange when Joe Biden claims we beat big pharma!
00:28:12.000How did you beat Big Pharma this year?
00:28:14.000What kind of victory is it where they're profiting more than ever?
00:28:17.000A little noticed provision of the omnibus spending bill could give the FDA power to ban off-label use of approved therapies.
00:28:25.000Secreted within the 2023 Omnibus Appropriations Bill, 4,155 pages, oh god how boring, spending 1.7 trillion dollars that includes a record 858 billion dollars in military spending, oh god, oh it's so so boring I can't even focus on the corruption, the numbers are so big, is a 19 line section that could change the way medicine is practiced.
00:28:47.000What I like when a seismic piece of legislation is being passed is to find it Created in a little-noticed piece of bureaucracy.
00:28:55.000Literally, this will mean that your doctor will not be able to do what's best for you because they'll work for Big Pharma now.
00:29:02.000And it's not like we saw during the opioid crisis the terrible negative effects of Big Pharma's influence on physicians, is it?
00:29:11.000Physicians routinely prescribe drugs and employ medical devices that are approved and labeled by the Food and Drug Administration for a particular use, yet sometimes physicians discern other beneficial uses for these technologies, which they prescribe for their patients without specific official sanction.
00:29:27.000The new legislation amends the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, or FDCA, to give the FDA the authority to ban some of these off-label uses of otherwise approved products.
00:29:37.000This unwarranted intrusion into the physician-patient relationship threatens to undermine medical innovation and patient care.
00:29:44.000The new provision was enacted at the FDA's urging in response to a decision by the U.S.
00:29:48.000Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.
00:29:51.000The case, Judge Rotenberg Education Center v. FDA, involved a 2020 final rule in which the FDA banned the use of an electrical stimulation device only in the treatment of self-injurious behaviors such as headbanging and self-biting.
00:30:07.000The court held that the FDA had the power to ban a medical device altogether under section 360F of the FDCA if it poses an unreasonable and substantial risk of illness or injury.
00:30:18.000But barring a practitioner from prescribing or using an otherwise approved device for a specific off-label indication would violate another FDCA section which bars the FDA from regulating the practice of medicine.
00:30:29.000So what they're looking for is a crafty, sly, insidious way to be able to intercede in your relationship with your physician.
00:30:38.000And as usual, it's for your safety and for your benefit.
00:30:41.000Oh my God, people are going to use this stimulating device for all sorts of ways.
00:30:44.000And I suppose if we introduce new regulation, we'd be able to insist that you use our preferred medication however we wanted.
00:30:51.000Therefore, Big Pharma, who who pay for the FDA by the way in a significant portion,
00:30:55.000will be able to tell their shareholders that we're likely to get this amount of profit over the next quarter
00:30:59.000because we're controlling what doctors are prescribing to their patient.
00:31:03.000But that's just a side benefit, your safety first, eh?
00:31:05.000The Omnibus Bill amends section 360F to allow a finding that a device can pose an unreasonable risk
00:31:11.000for one or more intended uses and ban those uses while leaving it approved for other uses.
00:31:16.000Since the new provisions lets the FDA skirt the ban on interfering with the practice of medicine
00:31:20.000by banning devices for particular uses, the agency will likely claim this is a precedent, allowing
00:31:26.000it to ban off-label uses of drugs as well.
00:31:28.000Are you saying that the FDA may not be transparent and clear and keep patient care at the heart of all its policies, putting pharmaceutical profits ahead of the well-being of ordinary people?
00:31:41.000The statute gives the FDA the power without any public input to prevent patients access to off-label therapies even though their physicians and their patients have found the treatments to be beneficial or even essential.
00:31:53.000Why would you want Big Pharma and a regulatory body that they fund interfering in your relationship with your doctor about your health?
00:32:00.000Have they not found enough ways to extract revenue from you to To put your health second?
00:32:05.000To put your well-being way, way behind their profits in their list of priorities?
00:32:09.000Why is the bias moving even further in that direction while the President of America claims that Big Pharma has been beaten this year?
00:32:16.000Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
00:32:18.000Yet, one in five prescriptions written are for an off-label use.
00:32:21.000This indicates a degree of freedom that physicians currently have that will be foreclosed.
00:32:25.000And also it just shows this is a licensing law.
00:32:45.000In some fields, off-label use is the rule, not the exception.
00:32:48.000In oncology, the standard treatment for specific types or stages of cancer often includes the off-label use of one or more drugs.
00:32:55.000And off-label uses are routine in pediatrics, where scientific, ethical, and logistical concerns preclude conducting large trials for approval in children.
00:33:03.000Because a lot of people don't want clinical trials done on their children.
00:33:07.000Allowing the FDA to ban certain off-label uses will impair clinical progress.
00:33:11.000Off-label use enables physicians to assess their patients' unique circumstances and use their own evolving scientific knowledge in deciding to try approved products for new indications.
00:33:19.000Substituting regulators' wisdom for the cost-benefit judgment of physicians and their patients will discourage attempts to use approved products in new and beneficial ways and deprive patients of valuable treatment.
00:33:30.000The FDA has moved from an entirely taxpayer-funded entity to one increasingly funded by user fees paid by manufacturers that are being regulated.
00:33:38.000The pharmaceutical industry funding alone has become so dominant that last year it accounted for three quarters, or 1.1 billion, of the agency's drug division budget.
00:33:46.000And obviously that's going to impact the type of medications that are approved, the type of therapies that come to the forefront, and now with this new piece of legislation, the inability for your physician to prescribe to you what they think is best for your health.
00:33:59.000Outrage of this nature first came to our attention when last year California Governor Gavin Newsom sought to intercede in what your doctor could tell you regarding your old friend coronavirus.
00:34:08.000California lawmakers are looking to tackle medical misinformation head-on.
00:34:13.000The state legislature approved a bill that could punish doctors for spreading false claims about COVID-19.
00:34:18.000It's interesting to watch the creep from misinformation and disinformation being the domain of conspiracy theorists to the domain of doctors and physicians.
00:34:28.000It's very easy to begin popularizing the term misinformation and disinformation when the image you have of the purveyors of this type of data is outlaws on the internet coming up with unsubstantiated theories.
00:34:40.000But when it's like your doctor who you know and have a relationship with, if you have that Do you remember that we used to be invited to prize and cherish doctors and nurses and care workers as devoted people, dedicated to helping you and serving you?
00:35:05.000But now that their advice and recommendations and medical expertise might be at odds with the pursuit of profit and the will and agenda of pharmaceutical giants, They have to be recast as villains and conspiracy theorists.
00:35:23.000But of course when they say scientific data they mean approved scientific data and scientific data is more likely to have been approved if it leads to profit and we can see Now, how legislation is creating the conditions for only certain pieces of information to be prized.
00:35:39.000That's why in an age where all of us have access to information in new ways, they have to create terms like misinformation and disinformation and pretend that there's such a thing as objective science that's simple and devoid of conflict.
00:35:51.000What we're seeing over the course of the pandemic is new narratives that were suspected early on becoming more and more popularized because There were experts at the very beginning that said, whoa, whoa, whoa, this type of vaccine could be complicated.
00:36:02.000But what was happening during that environment?
00:36:04.000Lobbying, corporate interests, all those things rose to the forefront because of established relationships and patterns, because of the revolving doors, because of the conflicts of interest, and more importantly, the convergence of interest.
00:36:16.000Now what they're trying to do is instantiate in law endless profiteering and trying to create conditions where dissent and opposing voices are automatically nullified.
00:36:26.000Get that law coming down on those health officials.
00:36:27.000the medical licenses of these health individuals if they are caught spreading that misinformation
00:36:33.000and being proponents of that disinformation. And that's where the law really comes down
00:36:38.000on health officials. Get that law coming down on those health officials. That's what the law's
00:36:42.000there for, isn't it? Right now you've seen of course like Twitter discourse and other social
00:36:45.000media discourse where these health officials or experts, you know, are able to freely tout
00:36:50.000their opinion or speak about what the information they feel is the best.
00:36:56.000Can't have experts touting their opinions just because they've dedicated their lives to learning what that opinion is formed on.
00:37:02.000Do you remember it used to be like the war against drugs and the war against terror?
00:37:05.000Now it's the war against doctors and experts.
00:37:08.000Who are we gonna have wars against now?
00:37:10.000And so this really would help put an end to that, especially if we're going into an era of more focus on public health outbreaks and messaging.
00:37:21.000AB2098, signed into law by California Governor Gavin Newsom, qualifies spreading COVID-19 misinformation as unprofessional conduct and makes it punishable as such.
00:37:31.000It declares that physicians and surgeons who disseminate or promote misinformation or disinformation related to COVID-19, including false or misleading information regarding the nature and risks of the virus, its prevention and treatment, and the development, safety, and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines should be subject to disciplinary action, which could result in the loss of the doctor's medical license.
00:37:51.000Looking at some of the tests that the CDC are now undertaking for themselves, looking at some of the information that's available from Pfizer and Moderna's own clinical trials, it seems that these physicians who are being prevented from advising their patients according to their conscience or their own understanding were in fact in the right, at odds with this legislation.
00:38:09.000Do you imagine that this new FDA-backed legislation might take us to a similar place, where centralized corporate power yield the stick over genuine expertise and real-life experience?
00:38:19.000Doctors fearing loss of their livelihoods will need to hew closely to the government line on COVID science and policy, even if that line does not track scientific evidence.
00:38:29.000If the evidence contradicts the required outcome of the pharmaceutical corporate elite, then they will simply punish physicians financially for going with their own consciences.
00:38:39.000After all, until recently, top government science bureaucrats like Dr. Fauci claimed that the idea that COVID came from a Wuhan laboratory was a conspiracy theory rather than a valid hypothesis that should be open to discussion.
00:38:50.000A loss of license would be career-ending for doctors who spend their lives caring for patients, but since examples cited in the bill are themselves misleading, even physicians who practice medicine responsibly or give public presentations grounded in solid scientific research on the evolving COVID science may face unjust license suspensions.
00:39:07.000The ultimate effect of the bill will be to chill public criticism by California doctors of mistaken government public health diktats since few will want to put their licenses in the hands of the very public health officials with whom they disagree over the interpretation of science.
00:39:21.000Even legitimate dissent from public health orthodoxy by licensed doctors may be excised from the public square as a consequence.
00:39:27.000Worse, the widespread distrust Americans now have in public health institutions will only deteriorate further.
00:39:33.000So we can see that as evidence emerges that what we were told with such certainty and confidence in the early days of the pandemic is demonstrably false, legislation and regulation emanating from the centre from corporate interests and agencies that are meant to regulate them will prohibit legitimate debate, prohibit dissenting voices and grant yet further opportunities to make profit and prevent doctors acting on their consciences in your benefit.
00:39:59.000But the good news is, we beat Big Pharma this year!
00:40:02.000Can you see how the system cooperates and corroborate one another's lies in order to maintain ongoing systemic abuse?
00:40:10.000It seems to me that the system is willing to cooperate and corroborate one another's lies, whether it's the FDA, the pharmaceutical industry, or government bodies, or judicial bodies, in order to maintain a profitable situation in which dissent is impossible.
00:40:37.000Hopefully now you feel a little better equipped to deal with the complexity of the modern world.
00:40:43.000The contradictions, the hypocrisy, the corruption, the inability of the mainstream media to responsibly report complex stories.
00:40:52.000Because there's obvious evidence of a convergence of interest in so many cases, whether it's the presentation we just gave you, Or many of the areas of the obvious expertise of our next guest, Kit Clarenberg.
00:41:06.000He's a British investigative journalist writing for Greyzone, and we're going to be speaking to him now about potential deep state and big tech involvement in the Ukrainian conflict.
00:41:42.000Sooner or later, someone will provoke them or some resource will be discovered or some strategic reason will be uncovered why they need NATO's protection.
00:41:51.000Be a shame if something happened to it.
00:41:54.000Mate, can you tell us a little bit about Anomaly 6 and how Anomaly 6's tech has been used by British intelligence agencies and even potential UK involvement in that sort of rather seismic, symbolic and brutal bridge bombing in Crimea?
00:42:15.000private spying firm called Anomaly 6, which is rather shadowy.
00:42:19.000There's been virtually no acknowledgement of its existence in the media.
00:42:25.000Its unique selling point is that it can track individual smartphone data signals, and then by carving through layers of allegedly anonymous data, it can pinpoint precisely a device's owner's identity, Where they live, their marital status, where they work, you know, in some cases, photos of their children and where these people go to school and university, which is deeply disturbing.
00:42:50.000This is being deployed in the Ukraine proxy war by Britain's Defense Intelligence Agency.
00:42:56.000It's being used to help the Ukrainians plan offensives, target shelling strikes, potentially even plan assassinations.
00:43:07.000So, yeah, I mean, this is being done in typically British fashion, entirely secretly, without the public's knowledge or consent.
00:43:16.000And, yes, the company delivering it is called Prevail Partners.
00:43:20.000They're a private military company staffed by elite U.K.
00:43:29.000There are a number of documents and emails that the Grey Zone has reported on which show
00:43:33.000that Prevail Partners and this incredibly sinister individual called Chris Donnelly,
00:43:37.000a longtime NATO and British defense advisor, were intimately involved in the planning of
00:43:42.000Kirkbridge and were very, very, very keen to go far further than what actually transpired,
00:43:49.000which was a fairly low-level truck bombing which caused minor structural damage to the
00:43:54.000kind of civilian portions of that structure.
00:43:59.000Initially they planned to use underwater drones and missiles to destroy its foundations.
00:44:06.000There was talk of sailing a boat laden with ammonium nitrate underneath it and blowing it up.
00:44:13.000It was the Beirut blast in 2020, which killed hundreds, injured thousands and caused untold amounts of damage to the local area in every way.
00:44:23.000It was approvingly cited as a model to follow, which I would suggest that raises obvious questions about who or what lit the blue touch paper, so to speak, in that case.
00:44:33.000But yes, so, I mean, it seems fairly clear that Britain has been heavily involved in, quote-unquote, pressuring the Biden administration.
00:44:41.000Biden is perceived as very cautious, cowardly, if anything, for fearing this could escalate
00:44:48.000into a nuclear war, which is a very obvious, if not inevitable, outcome of endlessly provoking
00:44:53.000and escalating against a very well-armed nuclear power.
00:44:57.000But these lunatics seem to subscribe to the idea that if Russia is suitably provoked,
00:45:02.000it'll actually back down, and therefore it's necessary to engage in all sorts of incendiary
00:45:08.000acts which are going to result in massive retaliations against the poor Ukrainian people.
00:45:18.000As you grapple with this staggering information and also presumably observe the mainstream media's inability and unwillingness to report on this type of complexity, Do you sometimes feel sort of startled and terrifying?
00:45:37.000One of the things we're talking about in today's show is the mainstream media's inability to recalibrate as data around vaccine efficacy in the inefficiency of lockdowns and changing information around the last couple of years and what we ought to do now as well as the huge profits made by pharmaceutical companies.
00:45:59.000And it seems to me that almost everything has become imbued with an ideological perspective that prevents
00:46:35.000Because it doesn't seem like it's something that's going to get any better, although with the access to information that we have, aside from this You know, push for censorship built around this misinformation and disinformation stuff.
00:46:48.000It seems that, you know, there are ways to get this information out there.
00:46:51.000I guess what I'm asking you is, whether it's the pandemic, this conflict in Ukraine, there seems to be a sort of a template that's being applied of making everything ideological and simplifying the stories.
00:47:06.000And what do you think we can do to oppose it?
00:47:09.000Well, I mean, I think it's better to have tried and been right and failed than to have not tried at all.
00:47:15.000And I think on issue after issue after issue, we've demonstrated at The Grey Zone that we've not only been far ahead of the curve in terms of getting to the actual truth of matters in the mainstream, but also we've been consistently on the right side of history.
00:47:29.000We were, you know, from the very outbreak of the Covid-19 pandemic, warning that this was going to be weaponised for the purposes of social control and surveillance.
00:47:38.000We were pilloried as COVID-denying anti-vaxxers and lunatics, and we lost a lot of allies as a result.
00:47:45.000And now the mainstream media is slowly but surely acknowledging that, yes, this is precisely
00:47:49.000what's happened all over the world, and it has created vast reservoirs of new illicit
00:47:55.000sensitive data on private citizens, which, you know, spying agencies and security services
00:48:01.000can exploit and draw upon at will without a warrant or without any oversight or without
00:48:42.000It's got an enormous amount of attention the world over.
00:48:44.000It was picked up in media as far afield as Croatia and Singapore and Belgium.
00:48:50.000Of course, you know, the English-language media is silent, but that doesn't mean that we aren't seen as a threat and, indeed, a large number of people Don't read us and find our work invaluable and influential.
00:49:03.000That's precisely why we're considered so dangerous and why there are ongoing efforts to malign
00:49:07.000us as tools of the Kremlin or the Chinese Communist Party.
00:49:12.000We aren't, although I would say that, wouldn't I?
00:49:16.000I think that what this proxy war has demonstrated is a yes that any dissenting opinion is going
00:49:26.000And in some cases, you know, in parts of Europe, people are ending up in jail for breaking with their government's line on what's happening in Ukraine, even if what they're saying is near factual.
00:49:38.000But I think that this narrative seems to be running adrift now, like increasingly.
00:49:44.000It is being acknowledged in the Western media slowly but surely that this is actually an unwinnable quagmire.
00:49:50.000And I think even Ukrainian officials have admitted that, well, our job here is to fight NATO's war for them and bleed on behalf of, you know, Berlin and Paris and Washington and London.
00:50:02.000I mean, the extent to which the Ukrainians themselves, let alone their proxy state supporters,
00:50:08.000sorry, their proxy war supporters, are going to tolerate the state of affairs remains to
00:50:40.000Can you tell us a little bit about the relationship between big tech and in particular the US and UK governments, historically what that relationship has been, what the financial aspects of that relationship are in terms of current contracts, but also At the point of inception of many of these big tech organisations, if there is a financial relationship.
00:51:02.000And after that, we have a very special moment where Gareth, the co-host of the show, will ask you what I'm calling Gareth's special question, where you will be sort of somehow spiritually obliged to say what a great question it is and how it's changed you as a journalist.
00:51:18.000But first, could you do with my humble and boring question about the relationship between big tech and Western governments, please?
00:51:27.000Well, I mean, I think, you know, on a very basic level, you know, the Internet itself was conceived as a weapon, was intended to operate as a weapon, and indeed has, for, you know, the course of its existence, operated as a weapon.
00:53:58.000Now, recently, I believe it was last year, there was something of a scandal where an Amazon Fire – I mean, it's their Internet of Things device, you know, that thing that constantly listens to you and you can give it orders to play certain songs or find things for you on Internet search engines – yeah, they downloaded their data related to their use of this device.
00:54:18.000And it was a number of itemized and extremely well-archived recordings of them talking to
00:54:23.000their device with the nature of their request and the time and date that they made it.
00:54:29.000Now, one of the few rays of sunshine to arise from the Edwin Snowden revelations was the
00:54:35.000NSA and CIA could not successfully or effectively categorize or order private data that they
00:54:44.000And, you know, Amazon's consumer platform tends to suggest that they now can.
00:54:50.000It's good, mate, because you speak so quickly, so rapidly, with such a beautiful vocabulary, that when you stop, I feel like if you were in the room, I might kiss you.
00:55:00.000Now, it's time now for Gareth's special question.
00:55:16.000Yeah, about the relationship, I guess, with big tech and the war on terror, and how, at the moment, obviously, we're hearing a lot about ways in which we didn't know that agencies like the CIA and FBI have been involved in censorship of, you know, all sorts of things, including, you know, Facebook and Twitter.
00:55:33.000But I think people, as you kind of spoke before, people don't really necessarily know how big the relationship between these companies and, you know, the Department of Defense and all these and military industrial complex are.
00:55:46.000And I wondered, in line of the way that people are talking about Ukraine being used as a kind of weapons lab now for You know, missiles and all sorts of rockets.
00:55:56.000Is there a way in which, and obviously you spoke about Anomaly 6, is there a way in which big tech is being used in the war in Ukraine in a way that kind of corresponds to what's happening with the weapons?
00:56:08.000That's a kind of, in future we can look forward to, you know, more, even kind of worse uses for big tech and its alignment with these kind of companies like the Department of Defense, etc.
00:57:01.000You know, they always see, they always keep a very close eye on these conflicts, because
00:57:08.000then they're planning for the next one.
00:57:10.000And, you know, a core component of this is how the war is sold at home.
00:57:15.000I mean, you know, I think, as I mentioned, there is a huge sea change afoot at the moment in the way that the media is framing the war.
00:57:22.000I mean, there was a remarkable incident last year when Nord Stream 2 was attacked and blown up, and the entire media, despite the fact there was no evidence indicating it was Russia, despite the fact it would make no sense for Russia to blow up its own pipeline, which it constructed at great expense and was a key source of government revenue—yeah, Moscow was blamed for this.
00:57:49.000There was all sorts of frenzied speculation about, you know, why the dastardly Putin would want to do—you know, engage in an act of self-harm like this.
00:57:57.000And, you know, now the media is slowly but surely admitting that, oh, actually, yeah,
00:58:03.000we don't know who did it, and governments probably do know, but they're not saying.
00:58:07.000You know, I mean, that's a very marked shift, because at the start of this conflict it seemed
00:58:12.000that no matter how ridiculous a pronouncement made by the Ukrainian government or the U.S.
00:58:17.000government about what, you know, the reality of the front line, of, you know, all of these
00:58:22.000stories of, you know, unbridled Ukrainian heroism, you know, grandmas taking down Russian
00:58:28.000jets with jars of pickles, you know, that was, you know, universally reported on as
00:59:55.000It was a fantastic conversation there with Kit, another brilliant guest committed to bringing complex truths to you through us, and occasionally with Gareth's special question.
01:00:06.000We've got some of your comments from the chat.
01:00:14.000Yeah, you should have let that spirit move in.
01:00:15.000And then, Don, Lemon, Justin, Valentine, the corporate media is holding up the boo cards for us now.
01:00:20.000It's good to hear Kit exemplarise and unpack some of the things that we're experiencing when it comes to media reporting.
01:00:28.000Well, he seems to think, in response to my big question, he seems to think the next issue that we're going to have to face is things like digital ID.
01:00:37.000That's what I kind of took from that, what he was saying.
01:00:39.000That's what they're pushing for, the way in which... Can we resist it?
01:01:05.000If I made two billion from a scam, says Craig Rock Sayers, and then paid a billion in compensation, how many sausages should I have with my breakfast?
01:01:55.000On Friday, Martin Goury, author of The Revolt of the Public, is joining us.
01:02:00.000He's a former CIA agent who is outlined in a beautiful way that even I can understand how what we're experiencing now is centralized establishment powers inability to deal with the communication and information revolution that they have to create bifurcated fractured communities in order to assert control.
01:02:21.000How both the reporting around the pandemic and the attempts to introduce mechanisms of control that Kit just spoke about during the pandemic are examples of this new dynamic that now we have the machinery Excuse me.
01:02:35.000And the technology to resist and organize, and they can't allow that to happen.
01:02:40.000He talks about how the revolts in Tunisia and Egypt were a demonstration of this new power, but as Adam Curtis pointed out, there is not yet an ideology to replace this, you know, I guess, progressivism in countries like ours, assuming you're in a sort of a Western-type nation.
01:02:57.000And therefore it creates a vacuum into which groups like the Muslim Brotherhood can step in the case of Egypt.
01:03:02.000Not that I'm suggesting that that ain't the answer.
01:03:05.000But we reckon decentralisation, true democracy, localisation and new confederacies might be the way forward for us.
01:03:14.000And we're determined to come up with new ideas, mostly by listening to you and getting great guests on the show.
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