In this episode, Russell Brand is joined by Dr. Asim Malhotra, a cardiologist, to talk about the dangers of over-the-top conspiracy theories and the dark side of the mainstream media. Also on the show is Whitney Webb, author of One Nation: A Nation Under Blackmail, who talks about the deep state control of the media, and Jeffrey Epstein, the infamous American sex slave. And, of course, there's a bit about the Ukraine war and NATO and all that kind of stuff! Enjoy, and spread the word to your friends about this one! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and tell a friend about it! You can also join the Remember to Hit RUMBLE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and we'll read out your comments and chat about it on the next episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand. Thank you so much for all your support, it means a lot to us. - see you next Tuesday for another brand new episode. Stay free, you're not alone. - Russell Brand xoxo - P.S. - The Dark Side Of by Pravda and . by . . . is a production of The Dark Lord , & by The Deep State Control? by Deep State Media in association with Deep State Press, to promote their new book, One Nation by Whitney Webb which is out now! by One Nation, a new podcast on the Deep state controls. by the Deep State by Black Rock Media, Inc. and is available on all major podcast directories. Also check out their website here. , and listen to the podcast One Nation under Blackmail on the One Nation Podcasts here. Also, check out One Nation on the podcast on One Nation by Blackmail here. And if you're a fan of Deep State controls, click here! and also check out the podcast here: One Nation Blackmail and One Nation Whitemail on Insta: on insta-tweet us out! , Insta-lyc, and check us out on Instacademy. on Instafeed or if you'd like to become a supporter of the podcast, we'll be giving you a discount code for a discount of $5 or more?
00:01:49.000I don't know how you benefit from that.
00:01:51.000But do it, because I understand from people who know more than me, and God knows there's enough of them, that it's of incredible value to us.
00:01:57.000We're talking about disinformation and WEF.
00:02:09.000We'll be talking about the Ukraine war and NATO and all that kind of stuff.
00:02:13.000And frankly, it's come to our attention that in spite of consistent promises that NATO aren't involved in this conflict and that there isn't an agenda to make Ukraine a member of NATO, that actually the Ukraine defence minister said We're a de facto member of NATO and what that kind of does is suggest that there is a proxy war between America and Russia.
00:02:35.000Let me know what you think about this in the comments and chat.
00:02:37.000And Joe Biden himself said we couldn't have a proxy war between America and Russia because that might lead us to the precipice of global Armageddon.
00:03:53.000We're conveying necessary truth to you because we believe that the relationship between the media and you, our audience, ought to be one of trust, openness, and transparency.
00:04:03.000And I believe that parentalism, paternalism, and even downright propaganda has taken over.
00:04:09.000Also, as well as Dr. Asim Malhotra, who's a cardiologist who talks about the potential link between certain medications and myocarditis and strokes and stuff.
00:04:22.000As well as him, you're going to love him being on the show.
00:04:25.000I've actually got this at the ready because when he starts talking, he don't stop.
00:04:29.000This is my, this is how I'm going to stop him talking.
00:04:31.000Like, if he starts being too, like, chatting too much, or even if he says stuff I don't agree with, what if he starts, like, just talking about, like, if he strays too far away from wacky conspiracy theories.
00:04:42.000Why have you got that in the first place?
00:04:43.000I always keep one of these for, I'm not prepared to talk to you about my private relationship.
00:05:06.000about Jeffrey Epstein and how the deep state controls it.
00:05:08.000I mean, I've watched some of Whitney Webb's other interviews.
00:05:11.000It's a bit frightening to see how deeply involved Jeffrey Epstein is, according to her, with some pretty entrenched, powerful interests.
00:05:20.000I can't Actually, believe it, this bit, we will not be talking about that on YouTube, and I'm scared about talking about it at all, because it seems mad stuff happens to people that talk about this, but hey, we've got to take the risks, haven't we?
00:05:32.000And also, we will be sharing with you, before all of that, before we get into the war in Ukraine, before we get into the medications and the adverse reactions, before we... and excess deaths, before we get into... What are you tiptoeing around?
00:05:55.000Before we get to Jeffrey Epstein and his pals and his wacky old hobbies on Naughty Boy Island, we're going to give you our item, The System Is Fine So Don't Collapse Into Existential Despair.
00:06:13.000Because an Amazon driver has fallen into raw sewage.
00:06:16.000And as you know, Amazon treat their workers incredibly well, allowing them to unionize, paying them well and offering toilet breaks whenever is necessary.
00:08:26.000Even though he realizes, he's getting into the inner life now of the Amazon Jack.
00:08:31.000You don't know what's going on in his mind.
00:08:32.000He's paused briefly to reflect on his wife and his children at home before thinking, oh look at me, up to the knees, and poo-poo-pee-doo baby.
00:09:15.000Why don't they cover, actually, the fact that most of the time Amazon workers are living in... They're not saying anything about Amazon, yeah.
00:09:21.000Also, yeah, this is the most rest, recuperation and joy that Amazon drivers add all day, is to take advantage of the situation while he can.
00:09:28.000...going down to him, and he actually self-extricated.
00:10:03.000It's a good way of getting into the rights of ordinary workers across the world, the inability of the Amazon worker class to form unions, the way that they bought in union busters, the appalling conditions, the record profits and how big tech generally benefit from situations that normally send other ordinary people spiralling into decline.
00:11:20.000Look at this, the World Economic Forum tweeted earlier today, don't miss Tony Blair's masterclass on regional destabilisation and national destruction.
00:11:28.000Are they taking the actual piss there?
00:11:30.000For example, what you could do is say a country's got weapons of mass destruction, then bomb them back into the Stone Age and then move in Halliburton and take it over.
00:11:51.000Also, I want to be thanked for it and paid and have a foundation and everyone say what a great guy I am and then grow up minosphero here.
00:11:58.000Also at WEF, our friend from this channel, Brian Stelter, he is there doing A bloody, what's he doing, a talk on misinformation, disinformation?
00:12:07.000The need to never ever tell untruths in public and particularly not to do it deliberately.
00:13:19.000Every day we're trying to keep track of the drip, drip, drip of the Russia investigation.
00:13:21.000Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, Now in the chat or the comments, if you think what they mean by misinformation and disinformation is information that may or may not be true, but it's certainly inconvenient to the agenda of the establishment and their mainstream media partners, this is from the Garden newspaper.
00:13:47.000The Mueller report did not find Trump campaign conspired with Russia, Attorney General says.
00:13:52.000So like all of that, all of that, the amount of time that was spent on that.
00:13:55.000And again, with the story we're seeing now about Joe Biden's confidential docs, when compared to the reporting and coverage of the Trump docs, you know me, I don't care about either.
00:14:05.000I think that we need systemic change at a profound level, but it just demonstrates the way that the media relays this information is in accordance with their own agenda, not simple conveying of facts.
00:14:17.000Yeah, also, you know, coming back to the situation in Ukraine, there's a piece here, I think it's from The Intercept, as documented in a Pulitzer Prize winning series in 2008, so probably a conspiracy theorist now.
00:14:29.000Pulitzer Prize in 2008, banned from the telly in 2020.
00:14:33.000The Pentagon orchestrated the commentary of 75 former officers who served as radio and TV analysts, turning them into message force multipliers for the administration's point of view.
00:14:42.000Many of the retired officers who appeared on TV, i.e.
00:14:44.000the mainstream media that Brian Stetler used to work for, worked for the companies that counted on military contracts, creating a building conflict that news organizations don't mention when introducing the analysts.
00:14:55.000So when we're talking about misinformation especially, With regard, we've mentioned Trump, but with regard to Ukraine at the moment, they literally never mention that.
00:15:03.000They never mention that the people they get on, mainstream media, to talk about foreign policy are being paid for or have connections to the Middle East industrial complex.
00:15:11.000We've been aware of that for a while and we've talked about it a lot on this channel.
00:15:14.000It seems to me to be an irresponsible way to report news, particularly with regard to such contentious and potentially globally cataclysmic matter as the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, which is consistently It's been consistently denied that it's a proxy war, that it hasn't been caused by NATO infringement on former Soviet territories, and increasingly it seems like these are major contributory factors to the current condition and that it could get a little bit out of hand.
00:15:42.000Listen, if you're watching us on YouTube, thank you!
00:15:46.000We're about to switch off the YouTube stream and broadcast only on Rumble for reasons that will become clear when I tell you the fantastic guests that we've got coming up.
00:15:54.000We've got Dr Asim Malhotra, Who inadvertently got onto the mainstream media and started talking about connections between certain medication and adverse effects.
00:16:03.000So you're going to want to stay with us for that conversation.
00:16:05.000Also we're talking to Whitney Webb, who I've seen talking about Epstein and Epstein's relationship with the deep state and senior, significant, notorious, globally famous establishment figures and it's Just astonishing and unbelievable.
00:16:20.000So it's all stuff that can't be broadcast on YouTube.
00:16:23.000That's the reason that we do this show on Rumble, is because we're allowed to speak freely.
00:16:28.000And I believe that freedom of speech ought be used to bring people together.
00:16:32.000We have guests from left, right, people from the edges, people from the extremes, yes, but also people from the centre.
00:16:37.000What we're interested in is bringing people together.
00:16:40.000Because I believe we have more in common with one another than the centralized elites that dominate our culture and our system.
00:16:46.000So please, switch over to Rumble right now for more of our fantastic content and these beautiful conversations.
00:17:22.000But we're going to be talking about this, the Ukrainian defence minister's revelation that Ukraine operably, I think that's what this phrase they used, are NATO members in terms of the military equipment they're using, the communications that they're using.
00:17:36.000And it could be We have a lot of modern NATO standard weaponry.
00:17:40.000going to have a look at that clip or are we going to read this out? Are we able to see
00:17:45.000him? This is him just saying it, just so you know this isn't propaganda, check it.
00:17:48.000We have a lot of modern NATO standard weaponry. It means that Ukraine as country and the armed
00:17:57.000forces of Ukraine or our sector of security and defence became the member of NATO de facto.
00:18:34.000Essentially, the erroneous claim that this war is simply a matter of a brutal invasion by Russia, and it is brutal, and sure, it's criminal, and of course it's wrong that Ukrainian people are suffering, and their humanitarian effort is an important one, and Ukrainian people ought to be treasured, cherished, protected.
00:18:51.000But it's becoming clear that whether it's the military industrial complex, Black Rock, or now the ability to test weapons, and not to mention a broader unipolar agenda to drain Russia of their resources in an attempt to create a sort of a singular global narrative.
00:19:08.000There are clearly other stories at play that we're simply not being told for obvious reasons.
00:19:14.000We'll be diving into that in depth, but now it's time for me to do what the BBC, the mainstream media outlet, should nary have done and introduce friend of the show, man who requires a finger to control him, Dr. Asim Malhotra, cardiologist, public health campaigner.
00:19:53.000And did you know ahead of time, just to catch our audience up to speed, you were booked on the BBC to talk about statins being ubiquitously and universally prescribed to people of a certain age, which is of course a heart medication, but you pivoted to excess deaths and the potential effects of COVID vaccines.
00:20:11.000I mean, you explicitly said that COVID vaccines are causing myocarditis, strokes.
00:20:16.000I mean, tell us, how did you feel when you did that?
00:20:29.000So, you know, for me, I've done a lot of work over the years as a public health activist.
00:20:33.000And I know that if you get an issue major media attention, that often is much more effective than private advocacy if you want to introduce important policy changes.
00:20:43.000And of course, The big elephant in the room that we've been discussing on the show before and many people are talking about, you know, through alternative media, is the fact that why is there not a big discussion going on through the mainstream around the links between vaccine harms and potential links with excess deaths and excess cardiovascular deaths.
00:21:02.000So, for me, when the opportunity came to talk about statins, of something which I have expertise in, I've written a book called Statin Free Life, it was the last book I wrote, In 2021, the BBC contacted me as an expert to talk about that.
00:21:16.000And actually, I felt it was relevant to bring in the issue of the vaccine because only a few weeks earlier, Russell, Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Officer, had suggested that the reason that we are having this so-called unexplained excess cardiovascular deaths could well be because people weren't taking their statin pills during the pandemic.
00:21:35.000And in fact, as an expert in statins, I knew that didn't make sense because statins don't really have that much of an impact over such a short period of time.
00:21:43.000And then Carl Hennigan, The director of the Center for Evidence-Based Medicine in Oxford, his own analysis only a few days earlier revealed that there wasn't a reduction in static prescriptions.
00:21:52.000So it's very unlikely that to be the case.
00:21:56.000And that was really my opportunity to bring in my view, say, well, hold on a minute.
00:22:01.000We've got something where there's very clear data on the best available evidence of harms
00:22:05.000pointing to the mRNA vaccines likely causing increased heart attacks and cardiac arrests,
00:22:11.000and therefore is likely to be a contributory factor in this discussion.
00:22:17.000Dr. Haseem, why is there such unwillingness to acknowledge the possibility, let alone the likelihood,
00:22:23.000that these medications are contributing to excess deaths?
00:22:27.000And further to that, have you found that your credibility garnered over years of study, practice and research has been attacked as a result of your unwillingness to toe what appears to be a mainstream line on this subject?
00:22:41.000Well, if you'll allow me to answer your second question first, Russell.
00:22:46.000You know, over the years I've advocated and come out with statements in mainstream media based upon things I've published, mainly in medical journals.
00:22:55.000Whether it's been sugar and it's linked to heart disease, whether it's been busting the myth of saturated fat, i.e.
00:23:00.000you can eat butter again, whether statins are over-prescribed, whether low-carb diets are the best way forward to improve our metabolic health.
00:23:08.000And every time I've done that, I've been attacked.
00:23:13.000And the reason I say that, one of the lessons from public health advocacy is as soon as your work threatens an industry or an ideological cabal, you will be attacked, sometimes unrelentingly and viciously.
00:23:27.000So you have to grow a rhinoceros hide, Russell.
00:25:04.000After it seemed cynically, one might imagine that these kind of studies only took place when enough profit had been extracted from the situation.
00:25:13.000And it seems that from your experience in other areas that these are financially motivated arguments.
00:25:49.000capture of the knowledge environment, funding of medical research, medical education,
00:25:53.000in the case of drugs, for example, the legal environment and the extra legal environment.
00:25:57.000And the extra legal environment often means opposition fragmentation.
00:26:00.000So what they do is they will attack or smear or use people to undermine the credibility of those
00:26:07.000that basically call out their manipulations and excesses.
00:26:11.000And what they wanna do is they wanna keep the conflict latent, Russell.
00:26:15.000So conflict between the interests of the powerful and those over whom power is exerted.
00:26:20.000So one of the reasons why mainstream media has been captured through them as well
00:26:24.000is that they know that if this issue gets public media attention,
00:26:27.000then of course the conflict becomes a public health issue Disseminated through, you know, through to millions of people.
00:26:35.000And then the truth ultimately will come out.
00:26:37.000And, you know, for me, sunlight is a very potent disinfectant for malodorous health policy.
00:26:42.000So I knew from a very long time that if we were going to make progress on this whole issue about the vaccine harms, which I've known about for quite some time, it had to get mainstream media attention.
00:26:51.000And I'll tell you something else interesting, which I've not shared anywhere so far, Russell.
00:26:54.000When I published my papers in the Journal of Incidence and Historically, as an activist, when I write something, I write for the purpose of sharing knowledge that I feel everyone needs to know about.
00:27:05.000When I published this, I planned to try and get this in the mainstream media.
00:27:08.000I won't name this particular newspaper in this instance, but one journalist I've worked with for a very long time, I gave him the exclusive.
00:27:14.000He had the paper, certainly the raw paper, before it was finally accepted for publication, a couple of months in advance.
00:27:20.000He was all ready to go, and he pulled out last minute.
00:27:23.000Despite that, three journalists contacted me, mainstream media journalists, and did interviews on my paper.
00:27:29.000One of them was a BBC broadcast journalist who he felt he had been vaccine injured.
00:27:35.000I won't name him to protect his confidentiality.
00:27:37.000He did a 20-minute pre-recorded interview with me And it never aired on his radio station.
00:27:42.000The Times newspaper did a long interview with me, never got published.
00:27:46.000The Daily Mail, again, and it was a very, you know, it was a very pleasant conversation based upon my findings, never got published.
00:27:54.000So I think the journal, a lot of people, we can't really blame journalists here.
00:27:58.000Something's happening at a higher level.
00:28:00.000And I think certainly with the BBC, I think we have to ask the Director General of the BBC what's going on.
00:28:05.000Why is he not allowing the vaccine discussion to take place on their platforms?
00:28:10.000It's certainly interesting that a publicly funded organisation which requires taxpayers' money to stay in the game isn't willing to be impartial and balanced in such an important issue.
00:28:23.000We all know that there are what are commonly regarded as conspiracy theories that accrue
00:28:29.000around this issue, but the demonstrable truth is cause enough for concern.
00:28:34.000The information has been maligned, dissenters have been smeared, the conversation has been
00:28:40.000controlled, meanwhile huge profits have been garnered.
00:28:43.000That to me seems a significant enough set of facts to constitute an argument.
00:28:49.000Our audience have sent some questions for you, Doc.
00:28:54.000Hussey says, tell Dr. Asim Malhotra thank you for standing up against the globalists, world governments, mainstream media and corporations.
00:29:00.000He's an outstanding man and his father would be proud of him.
00:29:28.000And then he came out on a video that I then shared on Twitter as well for his rumble.
00:29:33.000Basically saying the evidence is quite clear, now we need to suspend the vaccine.
00:29:36.000There have been other people, other cardiologists have come out.
00:29:38.000A chap called Dean Patterson is a consultant cardiologist in Jersey.
00:29:41.000He's come out and called for a suspension of the vaccine.
00:29:44.000So I think that more and more people are coming out, and certainly conversations I've had with many doctors, certainly, and I won't name them, and some of these are kind of the very senior NHS leadership roles, they've read my paper, they think it has legitimacy, and they've said to me, I'm going to tell you something.
00:30:00.000I'm not having any further boosters, and I'm going to make sure no other members of my family are doing it.
00:30:04.000The only problem is they're afraid to speak out.
00:30:07.000And I think that they fear that they're going to be, you know, labeled anti-vaxxer.
00:30:11.000They're going to have their license threatened.
00:30:16.000Many people, though, Russell, even I was in America recently, spoke to many doctors there.
00:30:21.000They, you know, in California, if you go against the dominant narrative now coming from the medical establishment, You automatically could get your license revoked but what I said was if the situation has got to that level as doctors if we can't speak up for our patients when we think harm is being committed
00:30:37.000The word doctor, the meaning of doctor disappears.
00:30:40.000And for me, as a way I was brought up and the way I behave, and my duty and responsibility is always to patients, my conscience wouldn't allow me to stay quiet.
00:30:51.000So, you know, I'm just trying to get the information out there in the best way possible.
00:31:20.000The information is getting more and more disseminated to the public.
00:31:23.000And I think we're reaching a tipping point, Russell, soon.
00:31:25.000And these vaccines will be suspended pending an investigation to investigate the true rate of adverse effects, especially to the cardiovascular system.
00:31:34.000The corporatizing and co-opting of the medical profession by the pharmaceutical industry is terrifying, and the idea that such an important social role as the doctor, as you've outlined, could become yet another node in the net of globalist corporate power is cause for great concern.
00:31:52.000I hope that one day, Aseem, we will see the reckoning that is required here, that the truth will come out
00:32:00.000and the truth will perhaps be nuanced, perhaps something akin to these vaccines
00:32:05.000ought to have been recommended to people that are vulnerable, it ought never have been shared
00:32:11.000that it was somehow a social responsibility for all of us to take it because otherwise
00:32:15.000there was a risk that we would infect other people.
00:32:18.000It seems that there needs to be a massive amendment and an apology and sort of the creation of the class and the term anti-vaxxer seemed to me to be kind of a PR spin to create a class and caste of people that could be condemned to sort of other and damn so that the light never shone on those that were really culpable.
00:32:39.000I've just got a little question as well, actually moving away from vaccines slightly and talking about lockdowns, because the things that you've talked about and Russell has in terms of the relationships between pharmaceutical companies and the government and the ways in which A lot of this messaging won't be able to be released.
00:33:00.000But when it comes to lockdowns, it also seems like there's an inability for anyone to talk about not even the vaccines, but the harms that the lockdowns have done.
00:33:08.000You know, we're in a situation at the moment where we're seeing the largest excess deaths outside the pandemic in 50 years.
00:33:13.000You even when you were on the BBC were talking about healthy lifestyles.
00:33:17.000That's something that during lockdowns we weren't able to have.
00:33:25.000We're now seeing skyrocketing cancer rates and all sorts of dreadful consequences from lockdowns.
00:33:30.000And yet this doesn't really have anything to do with Big Pharma but what it does have to do with is governments not even getting to the point where they'll admit we made a mistake in these lockdowns and I wondered what you thought and if that's a way of them clinging on to the idea of lockdowns for the future.
00:33:47.000So I think, looking at the evidence now, you know, lockdowns ultimately seem to have caused a net harm, for sure.
00:33:54.000Interestingly, just before I became privy to looking at data properly, or certainly data being published that suggested a link between the vaccine and heart problems, I was interviewed by the Times, who asked me, there's been an increase in heart attacks, Dr. March, and what do you think's going on?
00:34:08.000And I said, actually, I predicted to some degree there would be an increase because, you know, and the headline of The Times from my interview was poor diets and stress, you know, chronic psychological stress, certainly from lockdowns, as a risk factor for heart disease is massive.
00:34:21.000So I think all of those factors played in.
00:34:23.000That's one of the reasons the lockdowns ultimately resulted in a net harm, because it didn't really ultimately, you know, stop the spread of COVID.
00:34:31.000And we didn't protect the vulnerable and we caused unnecessary harm to people who are much, much healthier.
00:34:37.000It was a complete public health disaster.
00:34:39.000I think one of the reasons, you know, I spoke about the link between COVID and obesity very early on.
00:34:44.000I started talking about it in March, you know, April 2020.
00:34:47.000I was on Sky News and writing articles about it saying we need a public health message right now because we know that the immune system is better if people's diets are healthier, people are taking vitamin D, etc.
00:34:57.000Why was that not repeated throughout the pandemic?
00:35:00.000And I think we probably would have had we probably would have less deaths if if people were told to change their diets because actually dietary change has a big impact within a few weeks.
00:35:08.000So that's something I think that missed opportunity.
00:35:12.000But very quickly on that point you know I think one of the reasons why there wasn't a dedicated effort to say to the public It's time to quit ultra-processed foods.
00:35:22.000This is what ultra-processed foods are.
00:35:26.000Your best protection, you know, right now from COVID is because that hits another industry very hard that have been manipulating the masses and engineering products to get them addicted.
00:35:37.000Doctor Asim Malhotra, you are a mighty David, standing against the Titans and Goliaths everywhere, merely with the sling of truth and a very nice complexion.
00:35:49.000We got through the entire conversation.
00:35:50.000There was no requirement for the wooden finger because of your moderated and brilliant abilities to convey and articulate these points so beautifully.
00:36:53.000Moving radically away from how the mainstream media in the establishment repress important information, our guest Whitney Webb.
00:37:03.000Author of One Nation Under Blackmail and writer for Unlimited Hangout is here to talk to us about deep state collusion, the hobbies of the powerful, and in particular, Jeffrey Epstein.
00:37:34.000I just have like a wall hanging because it's, you know, a It's a perfect environment.
00:37:47.000Whitney, I've been watching some of your interviews and I've got to say, like, it's one of those, the area of your research and expertise is one of those areas that's actually almost scary to talk about because we on this show are continually talking about hypocrisy, corruption, the deep state, Democracy being a kind of hollow and theatrical affair where real power is beyond the reach of ordinary people.
00:38:10.000We sort of infer sometimes that people may get assassinated because their interests and the stories that they tell are at odds with the agenda of powerful people.
00:38:23.000How much proof you appear to have and your willingness to talk about it is somewhat staggering.
00:38:28.000So I guess there's to start with Jeffrey Epstein and his ties to incredibly powerful global figures, former President Bill Clinton and one of the world's most powerful tycoons, Bill Gates.
00:38:40.000Can you just sort of unpack for us the nature of these relationships, which sort of like, while people are peripherally aware of it, it seems to be something that's somehow been submerged and lost.
00:38:52.000Sure, so if you look at the mainstream narrative about Epstein, no one in mainstream media wants to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and what he was doing before the year 2000.
00:39:00.000So if you look at the timeline with Epstein and Bill Clinton, for example, what you see is that from 1987 till roughly 1993, Jeffrey Epstein was one of the masterminds of one of the biggest Ponzi schemes in U.S.
00:39:13.000And, you know, financial criminality is consistent throughout his career.
00:39:18.000When that was being prosecuted, Jeffrey Epstein's name was dropped from the case in 1993.
00:39:22.000And that same year, he appears at Clinton fundraisers, some of the most controversial fundraisers of the entire Clinton administration.
00:39:30.000For example, in 1993, it was a fundraiser associated with the White House Historical Association being nominally run by the office of Hillary Clinton.
00:39:38.000It makes an appearance in Vince Foster's alleged suicide note.
00:39:41.000And who was the White House counsel that died under very suspicious circumstances.
00:39:45.000And then Epstein was involved in roughly after that, 15 visits to the White House in less than a two year span
00:39:52.000with a man named Mark Middleton, who, well, most of them were with Mark Middleton,
00:39:58.000who was a central figure in the 1996 campaign finance scandal
00:40:02.000also known as Chinagate in some circles.
00:40:04.000And essentially there you have Epstein being involved in a massive way with those financial tricks,
00:40:11.000I guess you could say for lack of a better word.
00:40:13.000And at the same time, he's involved in relocating Southern Air Transport, the CIA linked airline
00:40:19.000involved in Iran-Contra from its headquarters in Miami, Florida to Ohio to ostensibly run cargo
00:40:27.000for Leslie Wexner's Enterprises, where they'll be going from Columbus to Hong Kong,
00:40:31.000which interestingly enough was a major hub for a lot of this corruption in 1996
00:40:36.000involving Mark Middleton, who Epstein's meeting with at the same time.
00:40:40.000Subsequently after this, which is the only time where mainstream media starts to talk about the Clinton-Epstein relationship, Clinton is out of office and setting up the Clinton Foundation, and a lot of the setup for the Clinton Foundation he is doing while flying on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, specifically the Africa trip, but also the Asia trip, and things that come out of this are things like the Clinton Health Access Initiative, which later partners with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in very significant ways.
00:41:06.000So, essentially what you have there is, considering that the Clinton Foundation's sort of been treated as a political slush fund of the Clinton family, you have Jeffrey Epstein over a period of decades being involved in essentially guiding the most suspect financial activity of the Clinton family from the early 90s onward, and including their rebranding of their, you know, political cronyism as philanthropy.
00:41:32.000And I'll pause before getting into Bill Gates, because that's a totally different story.
00:41:37.000I mean, yeah, this is before we've got to Bill Gates.
00:41:40.000I mean, I didn't know that Epstein's skullduggery went all the way back to Iran-Contra.
00:41:46.000It seems like wherever there's corruption, Jeffrey Epstein was there, like a kind of Forrest Gump of global corruption.
00:41:54.000So is it then that even before you get To the salacious, sexual, underage, sex trafficking, abuse side of the Jeffrey Epstein story.
00:42:06.000There's mammoth financial corruption and the involvement of significant political and corporate figures.
00:42:12.000Yeah, the financial criminality aspect of Epstein's career spans essentially from the late 70s all the way up until his second arrest in 2019.
00:42:21.000Whereas the sex crimes, as far as we know, span sometime between 1991 and up until his first arrest around 2006, 2007 or so, at least the bulk of those sex crimes that we know about.
00:42:34.000And what is the nature of the connection with Bill Gates?
00:42:37.000Now that you've done the first Bill, let's move on to the second.
00:42:42.000Right, so if you believe mainstream media, Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein didn't meet until 2011, but that is unfortunately for Bill Gates, contradicted by evidence that's actually in mainstream media.
00:42:52.000So for example, the Evening Standard, a pretty mainstream outlet in the United Kingdom, has an article from, I believe, January 2001, where it's talking about Ghislaine Maxwell and her relationship with Prince Andrew, and discusses Jeffrey Epstein introducing him to a UK Audience there introduces him as a property developer and says that he made most of his millions through his business links to three individuals, Leslie Wexner, Donald Trump, and the third one is Bill Gates.
00:43:19.000So why would the Evening Standard name Bill Gates as one of the main business partners of Jeffrey Epstein during the 1990s if they didn't meet until roughly a decade later?
00:43:27.000No one in mainstream media has been interested in following that up.
00:43:31.000With me, even though I've been contacted by outlets such as the BBC for that information, and then, you know, never goes anywhere.
00:43:37.000And even beyond that, if you're looking at some other aspects of the Epstein-Gates relationship, you have a woman named Melanie Walker come along, who was allegedly recruited by Jeffrey Epstein to be a Victoria's Secret model in 1992.
00:43:49.000There's no evidence she ever modeled, but she became Epstein's science advisor.
00:43:53.000In the late 90s and shortly thereafter became science advisor to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
00:43:59.000If you're Bill Gates and you're hiring a science advisor for your relatively new foundation and you're looking at her CV and all it really has is a science advisor to Jeffrey Epstein, you would have to know who Jeffrey Epstein is and what kind of science he was into.
00:44:15.000And this again is well before the 2011 date we're alleged to You know, believe is when they first met.
00:44:22.000And I would argue that this isn't so much to protect Bill Gates.
00:44:26.000Because Epstein in the 1990s, as well as the Maxwell family, extensively involved in the activities of Microsoft to a very significant, it's just very extreme.
00:44:35.000And Ghislaine Maxwell herself was involved in some of those business connections, as well at a time when she was involved with Epstein.
00:44:41.000Epstein was also involved in a very suspicious trip, really a A delegation Microsoft sent to Russia in 1998 where he's touring local high schools in Russia with Microsoft executives.
00:44:55.000Some of those executives, like Nathan Myrvold, later are allegedly tied to his sex trafficking operations and named by prominent Epstein victims as their abusers.
00:45:05.000And you also have Microsoft executives like Linda Stone also being in the mix there as well.
00:45:18.000The sexual aspect of these crimes is of course independently heinous enough and exploitative in a manner that's almost difficult to conceive of in terms of its scale and scope and geographical reach and the number of people involved.
00:45:36.000But it appears that this is also merely one component, and in fact, an aspect of this is the use of this criminal sexual activity in order to create ties that are connected to power.
00:45:52.000And where is it, Whitney, that all of this is going?
00:45:54.000Because it seems to me that you're handling a great deal of information and a great deal of energy, and that you have a sense yourself that you're very close to how global power really Well, you know, that was my whole effort of the book.
00:46:11.000The second volume focuses on Epstein, and the first volume focuses on how this happened and how this network that enabled Epstein essentially came into existence.
00:46:20.000And, you know, what I'm trying to do there is really just interrogate the power structures that are essentially running most of the Western world, and of course the Western world Particularly U.S.
00:46:29.000Empire has client states around the world.
00:46:31.000You know, in other words, this would be the power structure of most of the world today.
00:46:36.000And essentially what you have are major elements of organized crime and intelligence agencies, mainly in the U.S., U.K.
00:46:42.000and Israel, that essentially fused during, you know, the World War II and the immediate post-World War era.
00:46:50.000And a lot of really crazy things have gone on.
00:46:52.000And essentially, what I found is that history is littered with figures just like Jeffrey Epstein.
00:46:56.000He was not an anomaly at all, like we've been told by mainstream media.
00:46:59.000And thus, it's probably likely that people swimming in these elite circles for several decades, you know, found this type of activity in which Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were engaged to be perfectly normal.
00:47:10.000And actually there's reports in 2003 and I think the Evening Standard and other UK outlets that openly talk about Delaine Maxwell training young blonde girls and sex techniques and brandishing whips at parties.
00:47:21.000People knew about this well before Epstein was arrested the first time and nothing was done.
00:47:25.000And you even have the wife of the deceased Senator John McCain in the United States, Cindy McCain, saying in early January 2020, we all knew what he was doing, talking about Epstein.
00:47:37.000So this was known and nothing was done.
00:48:10.000I think he was really sort of a middle management figure who was sort of linking top tiers of this power structure and with people on the ground actually enacting a lot of these operations, policies and corrupt acts, and of course him himself being intimately involved.
00:48:27.000Uh, several acts of corruption, uh, as well.
00:48:30.000And ultimately, I think, uh, the reason the financial crimes are not discussed is because, uh, that's getting to the bottom of a lot of things that are still ongoing to this very day.
00:48:41.000Um, and, uh, there's a lot of powerful interests that definitely don't want that coming out.
00:48:45.000And if you look at, for example, when efforts have been made to investigate the tie of Epstein and Wall Street banks, most recently with this situation in the Virgin Islands, The Attorney General was fired after trying to file suit against Deutsche Bank, I believe, for their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:49:03.000And the previous attempt to prosecute that in a U.S.
00:49:06.000court saw the judge's son assassinated, essentially.
00:49:11.000By someone that had previously worked for an intelligence linked outfit called Kroll Associates.
00:49:16.000So there's a whole lot of crazy stuff there and so why was the, you know, I think it's pretty clear why the mainstream media won't touch this one if that's how it happened, you know, that's how it's played out on the legal side.
00:49:26.000have a sense that there are elite and inaccessible organizations that primarily are connected
00:49:34.000around the administration of power, the acquisition of profit, the manipulation of the media agenda,
00:49:43.000the top American political figures, significant corporate figures across the globe, some of
00:49:48.000the world's most powerful billionaires have connections and relationships that are illicit.
00:49:54.000And of course the nature of this story suggests that there is a sexual component that's a
00:50:08.000And then, of course, Jeffrey Epstein's death in custody doesn't seem to be entirely straightforward.
00:50:15.000What's your impression there, Whitney?
00:50:18.000Uh, of Epstein's death, I definitely think the official story is, uh, totally insane and very difficult to believe.
00:50:24.000Uh, and essentially, it's very hard to know what happened that day, because the guards were asleep, the cameras didn't work, and all these different things, you know, went wrong, and it's just a very difficult story to believe, especially if you believe the official, uh, story of how he allegedly hung himself after being on suicide watch with paper-thin sheets, and he's a tall guy.
00:50:43.000I mean, a lot of it doesn't really add up.
00:50:46.000And ultimately, if you look at other people in the Epstein case, for example, Mark Middleton,
00:50:51.000who I mentioned earlier, who was frequently meeting with Epstein at the White House around 94 and 1995,
00:50:58.000early, or in May of last year, he was found hanging by the neck by an extension cord
00:51:05.000A couple months after the Daily Mail published the visitor logs between him and Epstein
00:51:10.000and revealed that what was thought to be five visits really closer to 17.
00:51:15.000And the local Arkansas court blocked all media and all files related to Middleton's death from being released and it was ruled a suicide.
00:51:22.000So you tell me how likely it is that someone hung themselves at the same time they shot themselves in the chest with a shotgun, you know, and how likely that was actually a suicide as authorities maintain.
00:51:34.000Occasionally these stories occur that reveal the true nature of power and it makes me a bit scared to tell you the truth, Whitney.
00:51:40.000Do you sometimes feel like, hold on a minute, if I keep talking about this stuff on the internet and write books about it, it's pretty clear that I'm in some risks.
00:51:51.000So there's the network I trace in the book has been reported by previous journalists who had things happen to them like Gary Webb and Danny Casolaro.
00:51:59.000But I think today, the media, you know, the powers that be are more likely to paint me as just a conspiracy theorist and ignore me than, you know, go to all the effort of coming all the way to South America and executing some sort of hit or something like that. And ultimately I feel that if
00:52:15.000you live in fear of these people you're giving them power over you and
00:52:18.000power over your life and if your goal is to free yourself and your family and
00:52:23.000ultimately the world from this type of corrupt power establishment we
00:52:27.000should not be giving them power over us. So that's how I feel personally about
00:52:33.000Also, they'd have to get into the grandma handbag, sneak in there, hang you, shoot you.
00:52:38.000It's a complicated murder to carry out.
00:52:40.000We've been talking about the WF and Davos this week, Wendy.
00:52:45.000This similarly seems like, this similar, Whitney, excuse me, This similarly seems like an organization where powerful people come together.
00:52:56.000Now at least in this instance it is overt.
00:52:59.000Opinions seem to range from thinking that it's a pretty banal event and it's just a sort of a trade fair and a conference to people thinking that it is a demonstration that there is collusion that takes place between heads of state and powerful corporate figures.
00:53:13.000Where do you stand and does the Jeffrey Epstein story and the Davos WF story ever intersect?
00:53:21.000Yeah, there are intersections with the World Economic Forum and the Epstein story.
00:53:24.000I can talk about that a little bit later.
00:53:26.000but in general, the World Economic Forum, they describe themselves as the premier organization
00:53:30.000promoting public private partnerships, which is essentially furthering the vision of Mussolini
00:53:35.000when he defined fascism as corporatism, the merging of the public and private sectors.
00:53:40.000And if you look, if you actually analyze a lot of the public private partnerships
00:53:44.000that the WEF produces, they're very alarming.
00:53:46.000And I don't think enough people actually spend the time to analyze those partnerships.
00:53:51.000So one that I've done a lot of reporting on in the past is called the Partnership Against Cybercrime
00:53:57.000It's led by the current head of strategy for the WEF, who is a top Israeli military intelligence figure, who was responsible for basically turning Black Cube, for example, into a Mossad cutout and advising Netanyahu.
00:54:13.000On a whole lot of really damaging policies.
00:54:16.000And essentially what that partnership against cybercrime involves are Wall Street banks, tech companies with ties to intelligence, and the U.S.
00:54:26.000Department of Justice, the FBI, the U.K.
00:54:29.000Crime Agency, I believe, and then the Israelis, one of their cyberintelligence directorates.
00:54:34.000And what they argue for is the end of online anonymity completely, linking all your Internet activity to a government-issued ID.
00:54:42.000Allegedly to fight against cybercrime and also the emerging of Wall Street banks, their regulators and intelligence agencies, allegedly as a means of hedging against what they believe is an imminent cyber attack that will collapse the existing financial system and then require that people essentially have a government issued ID to access the Internet.
00:55:03.000And a lot of these policies are being developed by these public-private partnerships under the I guess umbrella of the WEF and then they're handed to governments and a lot of these governments end up enacting that.
00:55:15.000And if you look at things, of course, like the Young Global Leaders Program, how certain governments around the world have a very high number of WEF affiliated individuals in their government, they receive a policy from the WEF, they're likely to enact it.
00:55:27.000So, you know, well, ultimately, what is that?
00:55:54.000And this is the type of policies the WEF sign off on.
00:55:57.000And so a lot of people do rightly point out that they're unaccountable and all of this stuff.
00:56:02.000But you know, sometimes it's low on facts and very much large on hype, some of those narratives.
00:56:09.000And I think people need to look a lot deeper into what's actually going on and what's actually being developed in terms of policy and how those policies are making their way to governments.
00:56:18.000And also, I think the relationship between the WEF and the UN needs to be interrogated.
00:56:23.000because it was actually Kofi Annan when he was director general of the UN
00:56:26.000speaking at the WEF in the late 90s, he said, thanks to the WEF, the UN has undergone,
00:56:31.000I think he called it a silent or quiet revolution where now the businesses of the UN
00:56:37.000are the businesses of the world, showing a pivot of the UN to champion the interests
00:56:45.000That's a very significant influence exerted there by the WEF over a series of decades.
00:56:50.000And if you look at the history of Klaus Schwab, you know, his family history,
00:56:54.000his relationship to Henry Kissinger, how he was recruited by Henry Kissinger
00:56:58.000via a CIA funded program at Harvard and all of this stuff, it's very alarming.
00:57:03.000And then, you know, if you look at, you know, intelligence connections,
00:57:06.000as I mentioned a few, the WEF head of strategies and intelligence agent
00:57:10.000At this year's Davos, they've invited several prominent intelligence figures in the U.S.
00:57:15.000and from other countries around the world to meet in secret with top leaders.
00:57:19.000You know, people may consider me a conspiracy theorist for thinking that's bad, but I personally think that this is something that needs to be interrogated because these people have historical track records where they've engaged in corruption and criminality.
00:57:32.000There are some terrifying connections and schemes being proposed there, in particular the idea that Wall Street and the CIA might merge and then self-regulate in order to... We'll take the honesty of Wall Street and the kindness of the CIA and to make sure nothing goes wrong it can regulate itself.
00:57:54.000We'll take this bat coronavirus What ideas are these people going to come up with next?
00:58:02.000Whitney, it's extraordinary to speak with you.
00:58:05.000Also, you speak really, really quickly.
00:58:07.000I feel like there can't be that many people, and I count myself as one of the potential ones, that can speak that quickly and listen that quickly.
00:58:21.000Probably, but people tend to say I do speak quickly, my brain moves kind of quickly, sorry about that.
00:58:29.000It's good, it's nice, it's a wonderful trait.
00:58:32.000Whitney, I think you're doing incredibly well bearing the freight of all of this incredible information, so much of which is ...continually condemned and criticized and presented as conspiratorial but your research suggests that there's a significant cause for in-depth investigation and the only reason these investigations aren't taking place is so much of this stuff is just flat-out true and to present it to a significant number of people to a wide audience would mean that there would be considerable opposition to many of these ideas.
00:59:07.000We've often said on our show that the whole The cast of data that is considered censored information, the FISA files being booted off into the future, the inability to release the JFK files, the fact that there is this degree of classification suggests that a great deal of information has to be kept from most people in order to prevent a significant uprising and a demand for a total reorganization of the system.
00:59:33.000There has to be this degree of censorship, misinformation, disinformation, smearing, In order to preserve the cartels that you describe, it's sort of bloody really, really frightening.
00:59:44.000I don't know why this in particular is frightening, because I suppose it shows people get really killed and some of the more smiley, happy, sort of Disney-fied political figures are in fact involved in weird sex stuff and murder.
00:59:58.000Going back to Bill Gates, the other kind of slightly terrifying thing for me is that you've got a figure like Bill Gates and a lot of the things that Witness just revealed to us, who's now essentially in charge of our global health policy.
01:00:09.000You know, you get someone who we know how much money that Bill Gates donates to the media and you can see that that must give him a certain amount of, I guess, protection through the media.
01:00:21.000But he's also been elevated to a position where he's incredibly influential.
01:00:25.000So it's not just that people in power are getting away with all sorts of pretty dreadful things.
01:00:31.000It's that those people are continually elevated to places where they can literally set the agenda for most of the rest of us in the world.
01:00:39.000As we saw in the pandemic, and as we still see with the regulation that takes place on YouTube, the WHO policy with regard to certain medical matters is the one that determines what can be said and not said on YouTube.
01:00:51.000I wonder sometimes, Whitney, what the counter-narrative could even be.
01:00:56.000Oh no, Jeffrey Epstein was just this kind of guy, and Bill Clinton was only hanging with him for this reason, and Bill Gates was only... Oh, and that's just... I mean, oh, this suicide is... I mean, it's just such a sort of...
01:01:08.000A tsunami of malign data that it's sort of, you can't ignore it really, can you?
01:01:31.000Will you come on our show again and terrify us with an inch of our lives with more information about how the global powerful can have us executed at will and can make it look like suicide?
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01:02:52.000He's one of the Twitterphile journalists.
01:03:03.000Yeah, Alex Berenson, he's the person that that dude from Pfizer wanted booted off Twitter because he was talking about natural immunity and all sorts of other stuff that turned out to be true.
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