Stay Free - Russel Brand - Matthew Connelly (America’s Top Secrets)

00:00:00.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:02.000 Just to let you know that what happened was Donald Trump was collaborating with the Russians.

00:00:10.000 That's right.

00:00:10.000 And that's the only reason he won that election.

00:00:12.000 Otherwise, how could Donald Trump win an election?

00:00:15.000 It's not like people are so disillusioned with democracy and career politicians.

00:00:20.000 And the obvious financial corruption that's rife in Washington, that someone that used populist rhetoric and had charisma would overcome a plain-as-day career politician and out-and-out cynic like Hillary Clinton, must have been that the Russians were involved.

00:00:36.000 So finally we've got proof that it was because of Russian cyber hacking that Donald Trump even won the election.

00:00:44.000 So I guess he shouldn't have... Oh no, sorry, it's the opposite.

00:00:47.000 Russia weren't involved at all and the mainstream media and the Democrat Party and the FBI conspired to ensure that a theory, a story that never had legs from the get-go was spread everywhere.

00:01:03.000 Let us know in the chat and the comments right now how you feel about what you gotta call deep state duplicity.

00:01:11.000 Real life conspiracy!

00:01:12.000 However you feel about Donald Trump, how do you feel about the systems that generate the possibility for new types of populist leaders to emerge?

00:01:23.000 I know a lot of you love Donald Trump and I know a lot of you don't like Donald Trump and we believe that it's the system itself that needs to change and that's the kind of conversation we want to have with you and guess what?

00:01:33.000 We can't have that conversation with you on YouTube because YouTube censors the kind of information that we'll be talking about on Rumble, so there's a link in the description.

00:01:41.000 You click on that, after our 15-20 minutes, we'll be available exclusively on Rumble.

00:01:45.000 And thank God we are, because I'll be talking to Matthew Colony, who's going to talk to us about how the Deep State has been running things for time!

00:01:55.000 That's how long it's been going on!

00:01:56.000 The Deep State are running things, whether it's the CIA murdering JFK... Allegedly!

00:02:05.000 That's what was alleged by RFK on this channel recently.

00:02:08.000 You've got to watch that interview.

00:02:09.000 It's up in full.

00:02:10.000 You can watch it.

00:02:11.000 He says that Lee Harvey Oswald was undoubtedly a CIA operative.

00:02:14.000 Allegedly.

00:02:15.000 I don't think that.

00:02:16.000 Is that controversial still?

00:02:17.000 He said it.

00:02:18.000 He said it.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, he said it.

00:02:19.000 Allegedly.

00:02:20.000 So look, we're going to be talking about that.

00:02:22.000 We're going to be talking about the FBI running with this steel dossier funded by the Clinton campaign.

00:02:28.000 Hillary Clinton personally signing that off.

00:02:31.000 We're going to be talking about how 1.3 million people have access to your most private data and the government spent $18 billion a year preventing you from seeing any of it.

00:02:42.000 So if you want to learn about that, Hate speech?

00:02:44.000 We call it hate speech?

00:02:45.000 Hate speech!

00:02:47.000 Attacking the deep state and global corporatism and the total hollowing out of American democracy in order to create a globalist new order where none but the most powerful have any sway over process at all, where simple things like asking water companies to stop polluting the water that they use, where things like making energy companies responsible and ending their subsidies We're things like asking big tech to stop bundling and selling your data.

00:03:12.000 We're getting the mainstream media to be honest with you.

00:03:15.000 Where all of these things seem impossible now.

00:03:17.000 Where the impossibility of ordinary people reaching out in love to one another is daily doubled down on by a hate-generating mainstream media.

00:03:25.000 But if you want to change all that stuff, join us.

00:03:27.000 That's what we're interested in doing.

00:03:28.000 But first, Elon Musk went out the other night.

00:03:30.000 Look, he ain't even had a shave.

00:03:32.000 Did you see that guy boogieing?

00:03:34.000 Have a look at that.

00:03:35.000 Have a look at him enjoying himself.

00:03:37.000 Look at him go.

00:03:38.000 Have a look.

00:03:39.000 Put it.

00:03:40.000 [Music]

00:03:41.000 Okay.

00:03:42.000 Go on.

00:03:43.000 What are you saying?

00:03:53.000 Yeah, I just, well first of all that's exactly how I dance, and secondly I'm amazed that there aren't like loads of bodyguards.

00:03:59.000 You see, I mean unless... They might be off.

00:04:01.000 I would say... It's the hands in the air moment, isn't it?

00:04:03.000 Yeah, he's not losing himself there, is he, Elon?

00:04:05.000 No, he's not.

00:04:06.000 I would say that, would you estimate that Elon is on the level, you're speaking euphemistically, in terms of chemical enhanced states?

00:04:15.000 Who knows?

00:04:16.000 Who knows?

00:04:16.000 He's very relaxed.

00:04:17.000 He's not like sort of sweating, but he pays a price for it.

00:04:20.000 Because even though he was keeping it together on the night itself, have a look at the next day when he's meeting Macron.

00:04:26.000 I don't know how at ease I would be meeting Macron.

00:04:28.000 Macron anyway, especially after a big night out.

00:04:31.000 Get all mashed up.

00:04:32.000 Well, I'm not suggesting that Elon Musk was anything other than on the level.

00:04:36.000 So the main news that we're talking about on the show today is the Durham report.

00:04:42.000 The whole Russiagate thing was just basically made up.

00:04:45.000 Now we can deal with that because we've been telling you for a long time, and you've been telling us, let us know in the comments in the chat if you were surprised by this stuff, that the deep state and global corporations are involved in managing narratives, manipulating power.

00:04:59.000 So when stuff like this happens, it doesn't bother me, of course, naturally.

00:05:03.000 But how is it for people that are invested in the mainstream media?

00:05:08.000 That believe that by voting for this party over that party you're doing something meaningful.

00:05:13.000 That it actually represents something to them.

00:05:15.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:05:17.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:05:19.000 They want absolute control.

00:05:20.000 That's why there's new legislation being passed in all of the Five Eyes countries.

00:05:24.000 Those are the anglophonic nation who Edward Snowden revealed share the data of their partners with one another to get round domestic spying laws. 0.84

00:05:33.000 You're not supposed to spy on your own domestic population.

00:05:35.000 As Snowden revealed, your government does spy on you and one of the techniques is stockpiling that data and then like New Zealand will spy on the English people, the English people will spy on the Australian people and it's like a little circle jerk wife swap of espionage and it sickens me and it's gotta stop and that's why I'm talking to Matthew Connolly later about deep state power, but we can only do that exclusively on Rumble.

00:06:00.000 And because free speech is so important to us, why would we deny it to you?

00:06:04.000 If you're not with us on Locals already, join us there now.

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00:06:11.000 Look at this, Cypher2000 saying, "Temp needs to clean house, drain the swamp."

00:06:15.000 Circle of Mistrust says, "Clawn, true Chimera."

00:06:18.000 I sort of like the dude.

00:06:19.000 I think, are you talking about RFK?

00:06:22.000 Who you guys talking about?

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00:06:31.000 Time now to celebrate your free speech in an item that we call Freech.

00:06:36.000 Now the title sequence has been created by an intern here, although I do believe we pay Young Jack, don't we?

00:06:42.000 That doesn't seem like a good investment.

00:06:44.000 I think legally we have to.

00:06:45.000 We have to pay him because of the law.

00:06:46.000 If it was not the law, we simply wouldn't do it.

00:06:50.000 Let's have a look at what he's created.

00:06:51.000 So it's time for your comments and your views, your free speech, because this is a free speech platform, in an item we call Freech.

00:06:57.000 Let's see what he's done with it.

00:06:59.000 Have the word free and the word speech going together like this.

00:07:02.000 Free speech.

00:07:04.000 And then all the fireworks come off it.

00:07:05.000 Free, free, like that.

00:07:08.000 And then that's it.

00:07:10.000 Right, well what he's done there, that's sarcastic isn't it?

00:07:12.000 It is sarcastic.

00:07:13.000 Because what he's done there is he's simply got, I described how to do it in a recent episode because in the last one, the last title sequence, I mean show the last title sequence.

00:07:21.000 That's actually very clever what he's done there because there's literally not, there's nothing you can say about it.

00:07:25.000 There is, I can say that that was a starting point, that was a starting point.

00:07:29.000 Now employ your expertise, pull up the previous thing that you had before, show us what you had last time.

00:07:35.000 Your comments?

00:07:36.000 Yeah, like when it was called your comments or whatever.

00:07:39.000 Free.

00:07:40.000 Also, look how offensive that font is that he's used.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, it's as basic as they come, isn't it?

00:07:44.000 It's blocky and awful.

00:07:45.000 Well, the first one is from Woollyhead, a member of our Locals community, that you can join.

00:07:49.000 There's a red button on your screen.

00:07:50.000 Click on that now.

00:07:51.000 Woollyhead says, leave Jack alone.

00:07:52.000 He has a big future, not in graphic design, but somewhere less creative.

00:07:56.000 Let's have a look at Jack, how he's responding to all this.

00:07:58.000 There he is now.

00:08:02.000 What a sweet lad trying his best.

00:08:04.000 And then, Gareth's title should be Good Shirt Guy.

00:08:08.000 Okay, let's try that.

00:08:09.000 Could you create us a garish and awful graphic for that, Jack?

00:08:13.000 Watching the show while doing extreme sports.

00:08:15.000 This is Sakrin.

00:08:16.000 This episode was so funny, I sprained my ankle while skateboarding.

00:08:19.000 I don't think you should be- Watching the show while skateboarding?

00:08:23.000 Skateboarding, that seems dangerous.

00:08:24.000 Although you can listen to it as a podcast, wherever you get your podcasts, you can- Maybe that's what they're in.

00:08:28.000 Listen to this show.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, it seems, that seems More plausible and less lethal.

00:08:34.000 And let me see what else.

00:08:37.000 Thanks for bringing me the news.

00:08:38.000 I stopped watching the news in 2021.

00:08:39.000 It made me feel sick, said Izzy Bean.

00:08:41.000 Feech, baby.

00:08:42.000 Feech.

00:08:43.000 We could make such great merch out of the word feech. 0.88

00:08:46.000 It's such a...

00:08:46.000 Potentially fantastic assets some people pointing out that our item about this week in history showed in the photo We showed the first ever McDonald's advert and it showcased a man called Willard Scott who if you're American you care about There's some stuff here about Pfizer vaccines and all sorts of stuff.

00:09:05.000 Allegedly!

00:09:05.000 As soon as I just say that name, I'm not saying anything.

00:09:08.000 Have a look at the art.

00:09:09.000 Before we leave the item for each, which is brilliant, and Gareth, please pick a few comments of your own.

00:09:14.000 Have a look at what Jack did previously that led me to give him the opportunity to create that meta ironic and sarcastic piece of graphics that you've just seen.

00:09:23.000 It's the very sort of thing we've come to expect from Gen Z, but this is his previous effort. 0.99

00:09:27.000 Have a look.

00:09:28.000 It's your comments!

00:09:32.000 It's your comments!

00:09:34.000 You've got mail!

00:09:36.000 That's so bad, you know, it's like offensively bad on sort of every single level.

00:09:39.000 Because it's like, the sort of like slightly folky jokey vocal, the terrible "you've got mail",

00:09:45.000 I don't know what they're... I actually would like...

00:09:47.000 Makes you angry, doesn't it?

00:09:48.000 Yeah, I want to interview them and say "what do you think you're doing?"

00:09:50.000 Right.

00:09:51.000 Like, like, I don't know...

00:09:52.000 I can see what you are doing.

00:09:53.000 Yeah.

00:09:54.000 Listen, in a minute we're going to... Oh, do you have any content?

00:09:56.000 No, well, Bexy Bex says, when's RFK coming back on the show?

00:10:00.000 Amazing interview.

00:10:01.000 So when are you ready for that?

00:10:03.000 We will get RFK back on because we have made this decision.

00:10:06.000 We are going to showcase and platform RFK because I think that he will alter the debate.

00:10:13.000 I'm sure that a democratic party that Stymies and ultimately negates the popularity of Bernie Sanders through the internal party mechanics.

00:10:22.000 He's going to give pretty short shrift to a guy that's saying he's going to disband the CIA.

00:10:27.000 That JFK was a CIA asset that they then went on to murder.

00:10:34.000 The pandemic, I'm not going to say what he said about the pandemic.

00:10:38.000 Antony Fauci, I'm not going to say what he said about Antony Fauci.

00:10:41.000 They are going to shut that guy down hard.

00:10:43.000 But the fact is, is with independent media, he is going to have a voice.

00:10:47.000 And because the stuff he's talking about, it's the very things that we care about.

00:10:50.000 So he will be coming back soon.

00:10:52.000 I got his number and I've been communicating.

00:10:55.000 We'll get Marian Williamson again, will we?

00:10:56.000 We'll get Marianne Williamson.

00:10:58.000 Like, because Marianne believes that as, like, you know, we always talk about the necessity for significant systemic change.

00:11:05.000 That's why later in the week when we talk to former MI5 operative Ami Mashon, I raise with her the possibility of disbanding MI5, FBI, CIA.

00:11:14.000 She, of course, will say that there's good people in those organizations, such as there are great people in the police force, teaching professions, national health or medical professions.

00:11:23.000 But they, within their institutions, it's difficult to succeed because the institutions all become corralled either to minimising expenditure or servicing the needs of powerful establishment elites.

00:11:35.000 Either that or they just don't do the work, as is the case with this Trump case that Dimes found out.

00:11:41.000 Did you do even the rudimentary checks?

00:11:43.000 Yes, not rudimentary ones, no, we didn't do those.

00:11:46.000 We just went on and just sort of promulgated this story throughout the mainstream media with our allies over at CNN, without checking if it was remotely true.

00:11:54.000 Willful negligence.

00:11:55.000 Also, from the mainstream media, we're going to be talking to our friend Charlie Langton, who you might remember from his, is it May the 4th or May 20th?

00:12:04.000 The one where you're allowed to smoke marijuana and stuff in America.

00:12:08.000 Yeah, I think it's April 20th, I think.

00:12:09.000 He did a very amusing report for Fox News.

00:12:14.000 And sometimes we like to talk to mainstream reporters to see what sort of stuff they do and say, hey, listen, we're going to leave.

00:12:20.000 If you're on YouTube, remember in a minute, we're going to be talking to Matthew Connolly about the deep state, about the 1.3 million Americans who have access to your top secret information.

00:12:30.000 They can spy on you, but they spend billions preventing you knowing what they're doing.

00:12:34.000 So click on the link.

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00:12:43.000 Over there.

00:12:44.000 Right, let's have a look at our item about mainstream media reports and see what the graphics team have come up with for this.

00:12:50.000 God bless them.

00:13:00.000 And why isn't Ron Burgundy animated?

00:13:02.000 So little effort.

00:13:03.000 Why that colour?

00:13:05.000 Why that graphic?

00:13:05.000 Why those colours?

00:13:08.000 He might be a genius.

00:13:09.000 Like, that's the only... Yeah.

00:13:11.000 You mean, after we're all dead, people look back and they'll be like, God, he's amazing, isn't he?

00:13:15.000 Actually, these were good.

00:13:17.000 Okay, so in case you don't remember who Charlie Langton is, can we show this?

00:13:21.000 Yeah, because it's actually casual drug use in this, which also you can't show on YouTube, which is an odd thing, isn't it?

00:13:26.000 You can't show people just smoking weed.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, we got this video that we did last week, demonetised.

00:13:31.000 Demonetised?

00:13:32.000 Yeah, there they go.

00:13:33.000 What did you do?

00:13:34.000 Well, then we... Because I'm blaming you.

00:13:35.000 No, I mean, it's just, it wasn't showing this, it was just talking about marijuana and just like, you know, some of the legal stuff that's going on with marijuana at the moment.

00:13:44.000 They took Rachel Maddow saying you can get a vaccine, you won't spread it.

00:13:47.000 That's there, that's there.

00:13:48.000 That's still up.

00:13:49.000 Okay, good.

00:13:49.000 As long as it's fair.

00:13:50.000 All right, let's have a look at old Charlie Langton hanging out and smoking doobies.

00:13:57.000 Smoking on the news!

00:13:58.000 Smoke it, man!

00:13:59.000 Hit it, Charlie! 0.99

00:14:00.000 Yeah, hit it, man! 0.96

00:14:01.000 Hit it, Charlie! 0.92

00:14:04.000 That holiday, 4-20, April 20th, celebrating everything pot.

00:14:08.000 How are you celebrating it today?

00:14:10.000 Like this, you know what I'm saying?

00:14:11.000 Smoking weed, you know what I'm saying?

00:14:18.000 Charlie, are you there from Fox News?

00:14:21.000 Are you with us?

00:14:22.000 Have you joined us?

00:14:23.000 Yes, I am.

00:14:25.000 And I haven't had anything.

00:14:26.000 I'm totally sober.

00:14:27.000 Are you?

00:14:28.000 Charlie, you were taking recreational drugs or medical drugs, depends on how you frame it.

00:14:35.000 What was the impact of that on you, mate?

00:14:38.000 Uh, nothing.

00:14:38.000 I'm good.

00:14:39.000 Me was good.

00:14:40.000 But the people on 4-20, the day that they, apparently they smoked marijuana out in the open, we went to the west side of Detroit, which is kind of an area of Detroit that's a, you know, it's a little poverty area, that type of thing.

00:14:51.000 But people were celebrating.

00:14:53.000 They were having a great time.

00:14:55.000 It is legal in Michigan, and in particular Detroit, to smoke marijuana out in the open.

00:15:01.000 I think you have to be 21.

00:15:02.000 There may be a couple little things, a couple little rules.

00:15:04.000 But pretty much that's it.

00:15:05.000 And 420 is a day that really has been adopted by pretty much all over the United States.

00:15:11.000 Maybe not as much as the people I found.

00:15:13.000 I admit they may be a little extreme, but they were having fun.

00:15:17.000 It's kind of like the St.

00:15:18.000 Patrick's Day celebration, the drinking of the green beer, for those that like that, with pot, marijuana, joints, blunts.

00:15:27.000 And they were having a great time.

00:15:28.000 They really were.

00:15:29.000 Charlie, I get the sense from speaking with you that you've worked in the media for a long time.

00:15:35.000 How do you feel that the modern media landscape has become sort of cleaved into these various tributaries of opposition and hate?

00:15:45.000 What do you think about the revelation that the FBI pushed that story about Russiagate?

00:15:52.000 How do you feel about the sort of lack of trust in media organizations and if you can tie in the sort of payoff from

00:15:59.000 your lot for the Dominion machines into this and the sort of stuff that's

00:16:02.000 going on into Tucker into just a broad sketch about how the media mainstream

00:16:06.000 media landscape has changed in the time you've been there and where we find

00:16:09.000 ourselves now bringing in all those kind of stories I'd love your perspective.

00:16:13.000 Well so before I got into media I'm a lawyer and I practiced law for 25 years

00:16:19.000 before I did anything on television or radio.

00:16:22.000 So for me, I wanted to get into the media because I think there's an element of Of stories.

00:16:31.000 I know it sounds cliche, but you can tell a story.

00:16:34.000 And I mean, I can relate it to the pot thing about how we've changed.

00:16:38.000 The laws have changed and the attitude has changed.

00:16:41.000 I mean, smoking many, many years ago was totally acceptable.

00:16:43.000 Now it's not.

00:16:44.000 You know, they had to have a massive campaign to put your seatbelt on a car.

00:16:48.000 Now it's automatic.

00:16:49.000 So I think that the media can I think it reflects culture in a way that, if I did this, I could never do the pot story on the weed bus five years ago.

00:17:02.000 I probably couldn't do it three years ago.

00:17:04.000 I did it last year, but this year it evolves.

00:17:08.000 I think we have—listen, mainstream media is entertainment.

00:17:13.000 In my view, it's got to be an element of entertainment, 50 percent, 60 percent, whatever the story is.

00:17:20.000 Obviously, on a triple murder on the east side of Detroit, it's not going to be as ha-ha entertaining.

00:17:26.000 But there still has to be an element of where we want people to relate to it.

00:17:30.000 So, you know, we can do a hate piece, and I do think sometimes media types tend to maybe over Serious the story doesn't need to be.

00:17:41.000 Tell the story as if you know it, as if it can relate to anybody out there.

00:17:45.000 And what is the point of a story?

00:17:47.000 If we're looking for a barricaded gun or something, that's fine.

00:17:50.000 If it's pot, if it's just smoking and people having fun and don't judge on how we've evolved, then that's it too.

00:17:56.000 But make it entertaining.

00:17:57.000 So you think, yes, no doubt news media has started to centre not only on entertainment, but on getting views.

00:18:04.000 And I feel that Tucker was a particular, let's say, genius in that space.

00:18:08.000 Someone who spoke in exactly the manner that you described.

00:18:12.000 While being intelligent and not patronising to an audience, he was able to convey information in a way that made it Relatable.

00:18:19.000 Now, I imagine being a lawyer and a Fox employee, there are numerous reasons why you can't answer that question with total transparency.

00:18:26.000 But again, to talk about how the media has become the focus of so much derision.

00:18:32.000 How do you think that contemporary news media will survive when there is so much derision

00:18:39.000 and criticism and mistrust?

00:18:41.000 When there is so much partisanship with CNN and MSNBC saying Fox is the worst thing in the world, 1.00

00:18:46.000 with Fox saying that they're snowflakes and they're like, you know, full of crap and stuff. 0.98

00:18:50.000 How do you feel the media is gonna have to evolve and adapt? 0.99

00:18:53.000 Do you think it will be by becoming more partisan?

00:18:56.000 How do you feel it relates to stories like the one that I mentioned,

00:18:59.000 like with the FBI and the mainstream media collaborating to create the Russiagate story,

00:19:03.000 and also the media becoming part of the story as through the aforementioned Dominion thing?

00:19:10.000 But I think, I think with the Dominion, I think with Fox, I think that if I'm a conservative person and I love Donald Trump and I want to see him run again, I'm going to listen to Fox.

00:19:18.000 I'm going to watch Fox.

00:19:20.000 I'm going to, you know, I'm going to curse the day that they got rid of Tucker Carlson.

00:19:24.000 It's not going to change.

00:19:25.000 If I am, if I love Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden, I'm going to watch MSNBC and I'm going to hate Fox.

00:19:31.000 And I think that we're often, we peg ourselves, if I want to be a good conservative, I'm going to watch and do everything that the Fox people say.

00:19:40.000 Listen, media's a smart people.

00:19:41.000 They know that there's an audience out there, and they know that they can play to the audience.

00:19:46.000 Give me a—in the United States, where's one station that you would automatically say is neutral?

00:19:52.000 It's right down.

00:19:53.000 Or it's there for entertainment.

00:19:54.000 Maybe the cooking channel.

00:19:56.000 Okay.

00:19:56.000 But other than if it's a news station, I think that we have evolved on a network side.

00:20:01.000 I think there's a bent, there's a slant.

00:20:04.000 And I think that the advertisers, they understand that.

00:20:07.000 They'll go and they'll advertise.

00:20:09.000 I don't know if strip clubs would advertise on certain channels.

00:20:13.000 Not that we can now anyway.

00:20:14.000 But there's always a market out there.

00:20:18.000 I do local news.

00:20:19.000 Some of the stories like this one went national, but most of the time it's local.

00:20:24.000 And I think the local Local's a little bit different.

00:20:28.000 We need traffic and weather is very important to us over here.

00:20:31.000 And, you know, did our Tiger baseball team win or lose?

00:20:34.000 And how do we celebrate 420?

00:20:35.000 That's not really a partisan issue.

00:20:38.000 I do think, though, when we get into the network level, for the most part, there's going to be a slant.

00:20:43.000 I don't see that changing.

00:20:44.000 I think that's going to stay.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, it's interesting when you have a story like CNN giving Trump that town hall and then going into a sort of orgy of coruscation and self-exhoration.

00:20:57.000 After is an interesting litmus test for where the media finds itself.

00:21:02.000 It requires the views.

00:21:04.000 It needs to take a strong, apparently ethical stance.

00:21:08.000 But those ethics don't often hold up to scrutiny, because the ultimate requirement is to get views.

00:21:14.000 I'm interested in local news, actually, Charlie, because I feel that the more power and information are

00:21:20.000 decentralized, the more a community feels that they are being spoken to peer to peer,

00:21:26.000 rather than being spoken down to by didactic and condescending media.

00:21:30.000 I think that's a great improvement.

00:21:32.000 I think the creation of communities that share views while continuing to recognize we all have stuff in common with one another is important.

00:21:39.000 I think that's an interesting distinction you've drawn there about local news.

00:21:43.000 Feels like you are part of that community somewhat.

00:21:45.000 I think I can make an argument that, you know, Donald Trump, for example, whether you love him or hate him, he's great for viewing.

00:21:51.000 And I think that the fact that CNN is—and I watch CNN, I watch MSNBC, I watch Fox, I watch them all on the network.

00:21:58.000 But I think that when they're going to—they're not going to end at Trump.

00:22:02.000 Trump is a lightning rod.

00:22:03.000 And I think that a lot of the Democrats perceive that they want Trump to run

00:22:05.000 because he's gonna divide the party.

00:22:07.000 You know, locally in Michigan, the Republican Party, some would argue because of Trump,

00:22:13.000 has destroyed the Republican Party.

00:22:15.000 Now you have Republicans fighting each other Republicans.

00:22:17.000 Now, I'm not saying that on our local level that we're gonna be so partisan as the network,

00:22:22.000 but I do think that there's gonna be a lot of talk about Donald Trump, how it's,

00:22:25.000 the CNN, the MSNBC, the more traditional liberal media, they're gonna be talking and they're basically gonna say,

00:22:31.000 Let's talk about Trump every single day, because he's a divisive, he's divisive.

00:22:36.000 And it helps Democrats in the long run.

00:22:38.000 Abortion, we just went through a big abortion debate.

00:22:40.000 Our Supreme Court struck down Roe versus Wade.

00:22:43.000 Okay.

00:22:44.000 Democrats, they harped on that.

00:22:46.000 They said, we're going to dodge it.

00:22:47.000 Roe versus, oh my God, it's the end of the world.

00:22:51.000 Maybe it was.

00:22:52.000 People came out to the polls, people tend to vote when they're mad, and they did.

00:22:55.000 And as a result, at least here in Michigan, Republicans lost every single race, all of the major statewide races for governor, attorney general, secretary of state, etc.

00:23:04.000 So I do think the media, though, Again, on the network level, I think that they're looking for things that are lightning rods, whether they get people to mad one way or another.

00:23:14.000 And I think the Republicans now have to take a little bit of a step back and say, what issue is really going to get our party, the conservative party, to really go out there and vote?

00:23:26.000 And I don't think it's happening so much on the local level, although Donald Trump's going to be in Michigan in about another month, I think it is.

00:23:33.000 And oh, wow.

00:23:34.000 I mean, we will have, I mean, it's going to be a circus and I hope I can cover that one.

00:23:38.000 You'll be all over that, Charlie.

00:23:40.000 Take a couple of doobies.

00:23:41.000 Do what you do best. 0.98

00:23:43.000 Use your legal skills and your love of recreational and medical marijuana to get the best damn Donald Trump interview that the world has seen. 0.79

00:23:51.000 Charlie, thank you so much for giving us those insights and for sharing your time with us. 0.81

00:23:55.000 Thank you so much.

00:23:56.000 I appreciate it.

00:23:56.000 Thank you.

00:23:57.000 You can follow Charlie Langton over on Fox, particularly if you're in Michigan and Detroit

00:24:02.000 and those kind of areas.

00:24:03.000 I'll be watching more of Charlie's stuff.

00:24:05.000 It makes sense that Charlie's a lawyer because he spoke with a lot of clarity.

00:24:08.000 Didn't he?

00:24:09.000 Yes, he did.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, Charlie knows what he's doing.

00:24:11.000 Listen, we've got a fantastic conversation coming up.

00:24:13.000 We're going to be speaking with Matthew Connolly about the influence and nefarious insidious power of the deep state.

00:24:19.000 The way that they are able to assert and exert power and control in a manner that you may not have even speculated on before, unless you are a well-versed and well-read viewer of our channel.

00:24:31.000 Before that, Oh yeah, well, Putin has put his nuclear forces on high alert.

00:24:38.000 In other news, we're probably all going to be dead soon.

00:24:41.000 And what's the thing that we were pairing it with?

00:24:43.000 Oh yeah, when CNN put Trump on there for that town hall, and it became once again a culturally bifurcating issue, One area that struck us as significant here on Stay Free was Trump's refusal to, in a trite manner, say, oh, I support Ukraine or Russia, which sort of amount to, you know, sort of a new... Who do you want to win?

00:25:08.000 Who do you want to win?

00:25:09.000 Like, it just comes down to a new form of patriotism, carrying the message, whatever.

00:25:14.000 You know, and really, I can't help but think that Trump's point that what's required is a diplomatic and peaceful solution is one worth investigating.

00:25:22.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:25:23.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:25:25.000 We have Matthew Connolly, Professor of International and Global History at Columbia and

00:25:29.000 author of the Declassification Engine. Matthew, welcome to the show. My apologies for inadvertently

00:25:35.000 firing up a sting that's a terrifying AI orifice emulating human vocal sounds.

00:25:42.000 Okay, no worries.

00:25:47.000 Talk to you about the story that's broken today that the FBI didn't, it seems like, at least practice due diligence before promulgating the Russiagate allegations that dogged Trump throughout his presidency.

00:26:03.000 Tell me, how does this fit into your broader understanding of deep state espionage agencies such as the FBI and CIA, please?

00:26:12.000 Yeah, well, Russell, you know, if you were paying attention, you know, people who are tracking like FBI disclosures over the last few decades, you would find that time and again, they've had to admit agents, you know, at best misbehaving.

00:26:28.000 Uh, and making mistakes, as they like to call them, when it comes to the surveillance of U.S.

00:26:32.000 citizens.

00:26:33.000 I mean, you go back almost a quarter of a century ago, the FBI disclosed dozens and dozens of instances in which FBI agents had gathered more information than they were entitled to.

00:26:44.000 There was a study, another example, they found that FBI headquarters, when they ordered surveillance, more than half the time, they were exceeding the legal limits, right?

00:26:55.000 So this has happened over and over and over again.

00:26:58.000 And to me, like, the scandalous thing is what isn't illegal?

00:27:01.000 I mean, the fact that, you know, these kinds of things have happened continuously for decades now, and yet no one has held to account.

00:27:09.000 If this is an institutional problem, as you describe, and each time we learn of the FBI paying Twitter to censor information, or the CIA being involved in coups that ultimately lead to greater conflagration, Is there an argument, as Robert F. Kennedy suggests, for disbanding the CIA in particular?

00:27:35.000 Are these institutions salvageable or do they have, at essence, a kind of, I don't know, if not negligence, a kind of hypocrisy?

00:27:44.000 Is it impossible for them to function in order to protect a population?

00:27:48.000 Well, you know, it is hard to imagine a world, you know, without the FBI, without the CIA.

00:27:54.000 But I like to remind people that in the United States, these are relatively recent inventions.

00:27:59.000 You know, going back, you know, before World War One, there was no Central Intelligence Agency.

00:28:04.000 There was no Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:28:07.000 You know, the U.S.

00:28:08.000 was really an outlier.

00:28:09.000 For the first 150 years of our history, we didn't have intelligence agencies.

00:28:13.000 The only time that the U.S., you know, after the first You know, period, the revolution in the early republic.

00:28:18.000 After that point, the only time the U.S.

00:28:20.000 employed, you know, large numbers of spies and intercepted communications was during wartime.

00:28:26.000 And after wars ended, they dismantled this apparatus.

00:28:29.000 So it's not impossible to imagine that in the future, we won't necessarily have to have 18 different intelligence agencies.

00:28:37.000 Like, to me, that's the aberration, the way that this system has just grown completely out of control.

00:28:43.000 Matthew, since the Patriot Act, no American has any privacy.

00:28:49.000 It's possible for them to store your data and look at it at will.

00:28:52.000 One of the things that you cover in your book is the number of people that have access to information.

00:28:57.000 I think you said up to 1.3 million people.

00:29:02.000 I wonder if this kind of legislation and this kind of intrusion enforces the idea that the state has a degree of authority that infantilises a population.

00:29:16.000 As you've just said, that typically these are the kind of measures that would be deployed in a war, then rescinded subsequently.

00:29:23.000 The fact that they are ubiquitously applied suggests that there is a permanent state ...of paternalism and I'd like you to just explain to us a little more how since the Patriot Act the American population have been universally spied on and also about this how the recent attempts to review that legislation are being delayed under the auspices of protecting us from American drug cartels and stuff.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, well, you know, there are people who would say the reason why we have the Patriot Act, you know, the reason why we have 18 different intelligence agencies and so on, you know, it's because that's the only way we can protect American lives, right?

00:30:05.000 That it's our national security that's at stake.

00:30:07.000 You know, but when you look back, those moments, periods, long periods, you know, when the United States was at peace, you know, in fact, you know, for a time where the world's only superpower I'm talking about the 1990s.

00:30:20.000 Even then, you know, these intelligence agencies, especially the National Security Agency, were pushing to expand their surveillance powers, right?

00:30:28.000 So it almost doesn't matter, you know, what kind of threats supposedly, you know, threatened the country.

00:30:34.000 It seems like no matter what is happening in that outside world, inside our government, there are people who are constantly pushing to expand their ability to spy on the American people.

00:30:44.000 I'll give you one example of this.

00:30:46.000 Back in 1984, The Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel, this is the part of the government that sets the rules for everyone else.

00:30:55.000 They're the ones at the OLC who get to decide what's legal and what isn't.

00:30:58.000 They wrote an opinion according to which American surveillance agencies like the NSA, they can intercept our communications when they go abroad, right?

00:31:07.000 So when American, you know, phone calls or emails or what have you, when they go through foreign data centers, all of that is fair game.

00:31:15.000 Right.

00:31:15.000 And that is a giant legal loophole that allows, at least in principle, you know, the NSA and all these other agencies to systematically spy on American communications.

00:31:25.000 You know, the funny part to me, first of all, it's the fact that it was written in 1984.

00:31:29.000 That's one.

00:31:30.000 And the second, second thing is nobody outside of government has ever been allowed to see this ruling.

00:31:36.000 Even American senators have asked to see this and they have been told they're not allowed.

00:31:41.000 So we have this secret law that allows government agencies to spy on us in secret.

00:31:47.000 That is funny.

00:31:49.000 One of the other revelations of Snowden was the collaboration between what are known as the Five Eyes countries, which I suppose suggests that ultimately this is a global problem, whilst there's no doubt that America has avowed enmity towards Russia and China and other countries that might challenge them for unipolar There is elsewhere a kind of what appears to be the deep state apparatus that undergirds global corporatism with neither party being willing to meaningfully amend these institutions and the legislation that we've even so far discussed which allows intrusion and breach of privacy of an unprecedented level

00:32:36.000 What is there to be hopeful for in the conventional political space?

00:32:40.000 How can they ever be stopped?

00:32:41.000 No one talks about releasing Julian Assange.

00:32:43.000 No one talks about releasing, to any serious degree, the files surrounding the murder of JFK.

00:32:51.000 And this is all presumably because if we had the type of transparency to which we are entitled, we would conclude that these agencies primarily function in order to control the American population rather than protect them.

00:33:04.000 So what is the political solution for a problem of the nature that's outlined in your writing?

00:33:11.000 Yeah, well, you know, the theory behind the Five Eyes, and I think there's a lot of evidence to support it, is that what they're doing, basically, the Britain, British government, together with the United States, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, each one of them can act, you know, outside their national boundaries in ways that they're not legally allowed to within those boundaries and against their own citizens.

00:33:32.000 So the theory is that, you know, they could each spy on each other's citizens.

00:33:36.000 No, I don't know.

00:33:37.000 I don't know for a fact, you know, that that's happening right now.

00:33:40.000 But the fact is, you know, every government, including the U.S.

00:33:43.000 government, does do these very operations when they're working abroad.

00:33:49.000 And there's almost no limit, right, to how much and in what ways they will spy on the citizens of other states.

00:33:56.000 So that means, you know, that no matter where you live, you're fair game, you know, for dozens of different intelligence agencies, many of them now equipped with the most powerful tools available from the private sector, right?

00:34:07.000 Like the Pegasus software allows them to break into your iPhones and even turn smartphones into surveillance devices, right?

00:34:14.000 So even like relatively small countries can now purchase this kind of technology off the shelf.

00:34:19.000 So what do we do?

00:34:20.000 I think the first thing people need to know is they need to be aware.

00:34:24.000 You know, of what's now possible and what in fact is likely.

00:34:28.000 Because one thing these surveillance programs want most of all, and they even use the word itself, they want us to be naive.

00:34:36.000 They thrive on our naivete.

00:34:38.000 So to the extent that people are blithely unaware of how governments can spy on them, this only is to their benefit and empowers them further.

00:34:47.000 How come so many people got access and security clearance?

00:34:51.000 You said like 1.3 million people.

00:34:53.000 Well, how come?

00:34:55.000 Yeah, well, because, you know, there's so much classified information that you couldn't run this government without giving, you know, over a million people access to top secret information.

00:35:05.000 So to give an example, back in 2012, the U.S.

00:35:07.000 government itself issued an estimate as to how many times government officials were classifying information secret, so nobody would be allowed to see it for decades to come.

00:35:18.000 It came to 93 million times.

00:35:21.000 Three times every second, some government official is deciding something had to be classified secret, right?

00:35:27.000 So just imagine, you know, how would you even run, you know, the American military, these 18 different intelligence agencies, the Justice Department, the FBI, and all the rest of it, if you didn't have lots and lots of employees who had access to this information?

00:35:39.000 And also all of their many consultants, right?

00:35:41.000 So many hundreds of thousands of these people are not actually government employees.

00:35:45.000 They're consultants working for the government, in some cases earning more than they used to, Back when they still worked for government, when they got these clearances.

00:35:53.000 And so yeah, it's 1.3 million.

00:35:55.000 And that includes people like Jack Teixeira, the airman first class, who is found to be sharing secrets with his friends on Discord.

00:36:04.000 So all kinds of people now have access to all kinds of information.

00:36:08.000 And yet billions are being spent to prevent ordinary people gaining access to this information.

00:36:15.000 So again, what kind of relationship does this suggest that actually exists between the state and the population that they govern?

00:36:25.000 If they have access to all of our information and our access to their information is significantly impaired, how can we begin to meaningfully change the world, have a fairer world without Meaningfully addressing and amending institutes that don't tend to be affected by the cycles of transition within ordinary electoral democracy.

00:36:50.000 Well, Russell, you know, every person who's run successfully for president of the United States has promised that they would bring a new day of transparency and accountability, and that includes Donald Trump.

00:37:01.000 You know, Donald Trump, back in 2015, 2016, he promised he was going to release all the JFK files, but he didn't do it.

00:37:08.000 It tells you something.

00:37:09.000 It tells you something, the fact that these people, once they become president, If they didn't already, they fall in love with secrecy.

00:37:15.000 It's one of the few ways that presidents can be completely unaccountable.

00:37:19.000 Because Trump was right when he said basically presidents are sovereign over secrecy.

00:37:23.000 What they decide is national security information is information nobody else is legally entitled to see, unless they have that so-called need to know.

00:37:31.000 So how do we change this?

00:37:32.000 Well, we have to stop believing presidential candidates.

00:37:35.000 When they tell us that as soon as they're in charge of this system, they're going to dismantle it.

00:37:38.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:37:40.000 The only parts of our government that could actually do something about this are Congress and the courts.

00:37:46.000 So that's the only way.

00:37:46.000 Right.

00:37:47.000 If you want to check on federal power, you've got to bring in the other two branches of government.

00:37:52.000 Oh wow, so you don't think that even a political figure like RFK, that is at least in terms of his rhetoric,

00:38:01.000 and we've spoke to him, and he's a very sincere man who I think is extremely well intentioned, if I may say,

00:38:07.000 that he says he would disband the CIA.

00:38:11.000 So you don't think that it's even within the office of the president to all of these systems,

00:38:16.000 and that in a sense is perhaps the problem with the type of power that we have now,

00:38:21.000 is that once you're within the system, you're part of the system,

00:38:23.000 and it's impossible to amend it.

00:38:25.000 And it suggests that the only solution that we have is to establish alternative means of communication,

00:38:31.000 alternative currency, alternative media, because the systems are self-sustaining

00:38:36.000 and don't appear to be able to significantly change.

00:38:41.000 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:38:42.000 Well, if the next president actually did, you know, get elected on that platform and really did manage to dismantle this vast secrecy complex, it would be like nothing that's ever happened before in American history.

00:38:54.000 It's just never happened.

00:38:56.000 And I'll give you a couple of examples.

00:38:57.000 Look at Jimmy Carter.

00:38:59.000 Jimmy Carter, he was a born-again Christian, right?

00:39:02.000 Came out of Georgia.

00:39:03.000 And here's a man who so believed in transparency that when he gave an interview to Playboy magazine, he confessed that he sometimes felt lust in his heart, and he felt guilty about having these feelings that weren't about his wife, Rosalyn.

00:39:18.000 OK, so this is the kind of man we're talking about.

00:39:20.000 He promised a totally new day.

00:39:22.000 You know, he was going to reform all the secrecy and corruption of the Kissinger and Nixon years.

00:39:27.000 And what happens in the time that he was president?

00:39:30.000 We can actually track this now.

00:39:32.000 We can enumerate and count the number of classified documents.

00:39:35.000 There was even more secrecy than before.

00:39:37.000 And by the end of it, he was complaining, you know, about how so much information that was top secret and sensitive was available to far too many people.

00:39:45.000 They wanted to create their own presidential secrecy stamp.

00:39:49.000 You know what they were going to call it, Russell?

00:39:51.000 Royal.

00:39:52.000 Oh, yes.

00:39:53.000 Okay, we better stamp that with Royal.

00:39:55.000 Just had a few more feelings that weren't about Rosalind.

00:39:58.000 Give that a stamp.

00:39:58.000 Oh, there's a new secretary starting.

00:40:00.000 Oh my God, that guy's gorgeous.

00:40:01.000 Give that the Royal stamp.

00:40:03.000 Power corrupts people.

00:40:04.000 They are unable to fulfill their earnest, heartfelt impressions once they are within these institutions.

00:40:11.000 In a sense, it's an invitation to end the mudslinging and personal invective and condemnation of the individuals within that system.

00:40:20.000 And to recognise that it's institutional change that is required, that whether it's someone like Donald Trump or RFK or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, that ultimately, once they're within that system, they will behave like people within that system, almost like an environmental thing, like it was a river or a rainforest.

00:40:37.000 You might say, when I'm in the rainforest, I'm going to wear UGG boots and a heavy woolen shawl, but once you get in there, you're going to be trying to avoid the tree frogs and you're going to be there in a pair of swimming trunks.

00:40:50.000 You're damn right, Russell.

00:40:51.000 It is a song. 0.84

00:40:52.000 I like the analogy!

00:40:55.000 And, you know, the founders are right about this.

00:40:57.000 You know, Jefferson and Adams, they'd write to each other, as soon as someone's in power, all of a sudden they believe they can do no wrong.

00:41:04.000 Right?

00:41:05.000 No matter what they do, they're doing it for the right reasons.

00:41:07.000 The only way you can hold people in check is to pit power against power.

00:41:12.000 The only way you're going to bring a president to account and have them give up this sovereign control, this royal system of secrecy, is by getting the courts and Congress to start using their power.

00:41:23.000 Okay, well I don't know enough to argue with you about that, because you're a professor at Columbia, and I'm the bloke out for getting Sarah Marshall.

00:41:30.000 So you have the advantage, sir!

00:41:35.000 Plainly.

00:41:36.000 But like, what's going on over there at Columbia?

00:41:39.000 What are you teaching?

00:41:41.000 Well, I'm actually starting an exciting new job.

00:41:44.000 I'm going to be starting in July.

00:41:46.000 I'll be directing something called the Center for the Study of Existential Risk over at Cambridge.

00:41:51.000 And so I'm not giving up my Columbia job.

00:41:54.000 I'm still going to be an historian here.

00:41:55.000 But for the next, you know, who knows how long, as long as it takes, perhaps, I'll be defending the world against super volcanoes and killer asteroids and AI insurrections.

00:42:03.000 So you can rest easy.

00:42:06.000 Do rest easy at night.

00:42:08.000 Cambridge, Massachusetts or Cambridge, UK?

00:42:12.000 Cambridge in the UK.

00:42:13.000 All right.

00:42:14.000 Good.

00:42:15.000 Right.

00:42:16.000 Well, you come around here then.

00:42:17.000 Can I ask one question?

00:42:18.000 Yeah, hold on one second.

00:42:20.000 [Music]

00:42:24.000 Sorry about that.

00:42:27.000 I was really interested in, obviously we mentioned Julian Assange and we were talking about RFK and his position is that he would pardon Assange and obviously that's a very popular opinion, but like the growing number of whistleblowers that have been charged under the Espionage Act, The way you talk about the bulk collection of data and the kind of surveillance and how it's just multiplying year upon year, what do you see for the, you mentioned Jack Teixeira as well, how do you see the kind of future of whistleblowing and the way in which the whistleblowers will be kind of shut down and the espionage app will be used against them?

00:43:00.000 Do you see the amount of people, I mean I know Obama and Trump used it way more than had been used in the past, Do you think that this is just going to kind of keep growing exponentially until we have prisons full of whistleblowers?

00:43:12.000 Where's this going to lead to?

00:43:14.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:43:15.000 Under Obama, they prosecuted more people for leaking classified information under the Espionage Act than every administration combined up until that point.

00:43:24.000 And one reason why that's now possible is because using electronic record systems, they can track more easily that people had access to particular kinds of records.

00:43:34.000 So, it's now, like, technologically possible, you know, to begin more systematically identifying the people who are leaking information for their own secret reasons, in some cases.

00:43:43.000 So, you know, I'm worried about the Assange case.

00:43:46.000 Like, whatever you think of Julian Assange, in the last months of the Trump administration, they've decided to add to this indictment, you know, account for having violated the Espionage Act merely for releasing those Classified documents online.

00:44:02.000 OK, so what's important about that is that this would be the first time that somebody has been prosecuted, you know, just for sharing what the government considers classified information.

00:44:14.000 Now, if Assange is eventually brought to trial and is convicted for that, that's going to be an incredibly important and potentially dangerous precedent, because there are a lot of people out there, including perhaps you and me, you know, who share information the government thinks is classified.

00:44:26.000 Could we also be prosecuted under the Espionage Act?

00:44:29.000 If you actually read the black letter text of that law, it seems like there are hundreds of millions of people who could be locked up in American jails.

00:44:37.000 You happy with that?

00:44:38.000 Yeah, wow, that's terrifying.

00:44:41.000 It seems like it is going to get worse, yeah.

00:44:44.000 And I guess that's why the Assange case is so important.

00:44:47.000 I expect that when Matthew comes to Cambridge, you'll probably be troubling him on the regular with questions like that, will you?

00:44:54.000 That's right.

00:44:54.000 I'll be there with my French horn.

00:44:56.000 In Cambridge.

00:44:57.000 Did you have something else to say, Matthew?

00:45:00.000 I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:45:01.000 I was just going to say, that's one reason why it's exciting for me because, you know, what you learn over the years, decades, you know, studying government information and the secrets that governments keep, is a lot of times that information is truly dangerous.

00:45:14.000 Like, it really could get people killed.

00:45:16.000 Maybe not every last human being on the planet, but as long as that's possible, people who care about the future of humanity, we have to care about government secrecy as well.

00:45:26.000 Why are you so cheerful?

00:45:30.000 Oh, well, it's like gallows humor, you know.

00:45:32.000 I tell my students on the first day, I teach a class at History of the End of the World, and I say, like, if you can't laugh at things like pandemics and nuclear war, then this may not be the right class for you.

00:45:43.000 And I say that in all sincerity, because the only way that I personally can study these horrible subjects like this is if I maintain a sense of humor.

00:45:53.000 It's a little bit like that classic film, you know, the Manchurian Kennedy.

00:45:56.000 Always with a sense of humor, comrade.

00:45:58.000 Always with a sense of humor.

00:46:00.000 Yeah, we have to do that as well, because once in a while we get told stuff that makes us upset.

00:46:06.000 Hey, someone on the chat called Girl says, Matthew, how do you recognize propaganda?

00:46:12.000 Ah, great question.

00:46:14.000 How do you recognize propaganda?

00:46:16.000 So, you know, I spent years studying this stuff because when I first started out as a historian, I wanted to understand how France carried out this murderous war in North Africa.

00:46:25.000 You know, anywhere from half a million to a million people in the end were killed in the course of Algeria's fight for independence.

00:46:32.000 I spent months like looking at You know, propaganda files in government.

00:46:37.000 And, you know, it's one of these things, it's a little bit like pornography, right, as the Supreme Court said, is you know it when you see it.

00:46:44.000 But, you know, having seen it from the inside, you can see how it is, you know, even 60 years ago, that's what I'm talking about now, 60 years ago, governments were hiring like Madison Avenue firms to advise them on how they could carry out like counterinsurgency operations and make it appealing to the American public.

00:47:00.000 And so you can only imagine now what's possible now that they're using things like ChatGPT to create this information.

00:47:07.000 They're going to be able to do it now on an industrial scale.

00:47:10.000 They'll be able to populate infinite numbers of websites with infinite amounts of false content.

00:47:15.000 So yeah, it's just going to get worse.

00:47:19.000 Matthew?

00:47:20.000 Well, Matthew, it's been a fantastic conversation.

00:47:22.000 I've really enjoyed speaking with you.

00:47:25.000 Would you tell us a little bit about your book before we wrap up our conversation?

00:47:30.000 Matthew, thank you so much for your time.

00:47:31.000 Good luck in your new job in Cambridge.

00:47:33.000 We're looking forward to meeting you in person then, and thank you for sharing this complex information in such an accessible manner.

00:47:40.000 Thank you.

00:47:41.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:47:42.000 On tomorrow's show, we'll be speaking to the U.S.

00:47:45.000 medic and healthcare professional turned activist, Dr. Bob, talking about how the U.S.

00:47:50.000 healthcare corporations are expanding control of the federal funded Medicare.

00:47:55.000 So join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

00:47:58.000 You lot, though, get over on local.

00:48:00.000 It might go quiet for a second, but then we'll be back on there talking about the most private, intimate, brilliant stuff.

00:48:06.000 Until then, stay free.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 16, 2023

Matthew Connelly (America’s Top Secrets)

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