On this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, the host is joined by the great Jake Smith and the great Joe McCann to discuss the recent events in America, including Ilan Omar's attack on a woman in New York, and the death of Ilan's father, Ilan Ochs Omar. Plus, we sing Happy Birthday to the Great Massey.
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00:01:04.000Today, we're talking about the endless fractures that are taking place in the United States of America and American politics.
00:01:09.000Let us know how you feel about Ilan Omar being.
00:01:13.000It looked like to me she was attacked with a squirty gun.
00:01:16.000Whereas that other poor lad, he got attacked with much more of a well, I don't know, Dave, you're an expert in matters to do with firearms.
00:01:24.000It looked like he was shot very much with a real gun.
00:02:21.000I'll be interested to hear more about your ongoing monastic retreats and insights.
00:02:26.000And today, on his birthday of all days, the great Massey.
00:02:29.000And I don't think that there's a single one of us who is too hard-hearted or too mature not to just sing happy birthday to Massey right now.
00:02:37.000And you know, that bit during happy birthday, it's about three happy birthdays in.
00:02:40.000We start to feel a bit, oh no, we're still in this.
00:03:52.000Sweating like, yeah, sweating like a sinner in church doesn't have so much.
00:03:55.000I mean, and everyone's a sinner, ain't they?
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00:06:30.000The first up, we're going to do this thing about, we're going to do, we're going to cover this story about Ilan Omar and we're going to talk about Iran some dishonest media manipulation.
00:08:29.000Even if you might say, well, Alex Pretty didn't do anything directly provocative himself, we're living in a cultural crucible now, a cauldron of constant tension.
00:08:42.000If you're in law enforcement or if you're a protester, you're coming to that now, knowing that there's death in the air, that there's murder and that there's tension.
00:08:50.000And the tragic thing is, is none of it is of any value at all, and none of it is going to produce the desired result on either side.
00:08:57.000Brilliant law enforcement officers are being put under unnecessary pressure and protesters are protesting in vain about probably something that none of us fully understand.
00:09:07.000Certainly I didn't fully understand it when I was engaged with it.
00:09:10.000What I mean to say is, what is your it's not cryptic or opaque this, what's your end point?
00:09:16.000What is the point of those protests to end ISIS intervention and ability and willingness to enforce a democratically delivered mandate to remove illegal migrants from the United States of America?
00:09:33.000Well, there was an election and people voted for that.
00:09:36.000So I don't know what you're going to do.
00:09:37.000So by escalating these tensions, you know, and I'm not saying that people shouldn't protest.
00:09:41.000I believe people should protest when there are corrupt governments in office.
00:09:46.000And frankly, there always are, because government is by its nature corrupt and centralized governments are yet more corrupt because you're coalescing and amalgamating power centrally in a way that it power is not meant to be centralized except for the one true power.
00:10:38.000So one side's trying to define what they think is light and what they think is darkness.
00:10:43.000The problem is they're not using God as the judge of what actually is.
00:10:49.000They're going off of their own feelings and preferences.
00:10:52.000Jake mimed a measuring line when he did that.
00:10:55.000I know it's in scripture a lot when there are prophetic instances of engagement with, well, it seems like Christ, but certainly angelic and prophetic figures.
00:11:03.000I'm talking about Ezekiel and I'm talking about Daniel.
00:11:06.000Often they're measuring out territories.
00:11:08.000It's God that determines the territory.
00:11:10.000But you, Dave, after all, are a Texan as well as a Christian.
00:11:14.000How do you feel we should counsel your country with regard to this matter?
00:11:21.000Because if you just double down on these protesters are wrong, it seems like you're a blind MAGA nationalist.
00:11:29.000If you condemn law enforcement personnel, it's like you're insensitive to the risk that they put themselves at when they conduct their work.
00:11:53.000You have to, you know, you're either going to go left, you're going to go right.
00:11:56.000You're going to go, you're going to say this is bad, this is wrong.
00:11:59.000And depending on what you read, I mean, it's very slanted both ways.
00:12:03.000And it's trying to force you in division is one thing.
00:12:08.000Another observation he made around specifically Alex was, man, those the ICE guys weren't, that was untrained.
00:12:18.000They're not getting real training around this.
00:12:22.000And so coming from a Navy SEAL who trains SWAT and all sorts of law enforcement, he said, I mean, you look at the video and you're like, okay, these guys weren't.
00:12:47.000Dave's referring to his own podcast, Shoot Me Straight, that he does with Eddie Gallagher, the exonerated and acquitted Navy SEAL who was falsely accused of murdering a member of ISIS who was temporarily in his custody while he was on active duty in Iraq, intervening in an unnecessary and unjust war that was sold to us as necessary and important.
00:13:07.000And then, oh man, we have the nerve to blame the combatants themselves.
00:13:11.000And I suppose his perspective is valuable because of the incredible experience.
00:13:14.000And yes, I suppose that's important, isn't it?
00:13:16.000Because ICE as an agency, when it's not so highly politicized, are like, they're a group of folks like, hang on a minute, you ain't got the proper papers.
00:14:06.000Those are some crimes that I can happily confess to because I would confess to any crime because before I was a Christian, I was a 12-step guy.
00:15:59.000So either that's wrong or it's not wrong.
00:16:01.000The sophisticated thing to be able to achieve is to be able to be sympathetic towards ICE agents.
00:16:07.000And we've got this new intel in from Eddie Gallagher from Eddie Gallagher from Dave Fields and Eddie Gallagher's podcast shoot me straight that those ICE officers probably aren't trained in the kind of hand-to-hand combat that's likely to occur when dealing with frontline protest situations.
00:16:26.000So sympathy to those ICE officers, same as the one like a week ago where it was the dude that thought he was going to get hit by a car that'd been hit by a car before and reacted in a volatile situation with violence.
00:16:38.000You know, we have to be sympathetic to them and to the righteousness of protesters that are presumably, I pray God, motivated by a desire to help vulnerable people and to be kind to the foreigner and the alien, specific edicts in our faith.
00:16:52.000How can we hold together these two things?
00:16:54.000Well, I suppose the only way I can hold it together is by recognizing that Alex Petty and their officer involved are fallen, broken people like me that have made mistakes like me and you and will continue to make mistakes if only there was some redeeming healing force that allowed us to come in faith and grace and say, I'm sorry, I don't know what I'm doing.
00:17:17.000And the answer will be resolutely and resoundingly yes.
00:17:20.000So why and how could you be skeptical about Christianity and Christ when you've got such meagre gruel in its stead?
00:17:28.000The meagre gruel of a culture that tells you that it's God when it's anything but let's remind ourselves of how they sort of touched up dear old Joe Rogan when it was convenient to have him as a villain.
00:18:20.000I did, yeah, I've seen this on the internet.
00:18:22.000You guys have seen this on the internet, I suppose.
00:18:23.000This is a moment the news filmed on 1313 Minneapolis showing a man who appears to be Alex Predty federal federal information agents before the shot shot killed and killed him.
00:19:05.000Recognition technology confirmed his identity to a 97% degree of accuracy.
00:19:12.000On the morning of January 13th, our team received a tip that federal agents were blocking a street at the corner of East 36 and Park Avenue in Minneapolis.
00:19:24.000We saw observers shouting at the agents as they walked back to their vehicles.
00:19:28.000When they started driving away, the man kicked their taillight.
00:19:31.000I reckon he might have suffered some, I reckon the knee.
00:19:35.000He's not used his knee very well there.
00:19:37.000there could be some pushback on the knee.
00:19:39.000Look, I feel, I'm trying to think about what activism ought look like.
00:19:45.000And I suppose what activism ought look like is what are you trying to express that you don't feel in control of your community and things are being done that you don't agree with in a way that you don't agree with for ends that you don't agree with.
00:19:57.000And I understand the temptation and have many times yielded to the temptation to direct action.
00:20:02.000And I actually do agree with direct action and disobedience.
00:20:06.000It's always very difficult for me when I see those annoying folks.
00:20:08.000In the UK, it's very popular to sit down in the street and block the road, like to protest, but against fuel and fossil fuels and stuff like that.
00:20:17.000And I really admire people's tenacity, but it's always super annoying.
00:20:22.000Like, I tell you, man, if I were trying to get somewhere and like someone was blocking the road, I was taking my kid to a hospital appointment.
00:20:28.000Well, actually, somewhat less than that, if I was going to get a haircut, I think I'd be like, you get out of my fucking way.
00:20:34.000Like, I mean, it's just not, it's annoying, isn't it, Joe?
00:20:43.000There's other ways of making a point in there.
00:20:45.000I wonder what these ways are of making a point.
00:20:47.000Let's know in the comments and chat how activism can start coalescing.
00:20:50.000And really, the problem is, like you were saying a minute ago, Dave, is that people are not funneling their energy in the correct direction.
00:21:00.000Oh man, I had a good conversation with a geezer yesterday.
00:21:02.000He's like a civil engineer in a local county.
00:21:04.000And he goes, What you realize is that in a community, right, this is good because it scales this, I think.
00:21:10.000He goes, when you're working as a civil engineer in a local community, you realize there's democratic processes.
00:21:17.000A county's divided up into districts, but there's the population, even in a small county, is somewhat disparate.
00:21:23.000And you get objectives in some districts are different from objectives in other districts.
00:21:28.000And the real power brokers are essentially financial forces that come in and attend these meetings of, are we going to develop this?
00:21:36.000Or are we going to build one of those?
00:21:38.000And they benefit these financial interests do from chaos and tension.
00:21:43.000And I think that's the way it is at scale as well.
00:21:45.000And I think unwillingly and unwittingly, I mean, if all you're doing is writing F off you Jews or I don't like Muslims in the comments or you're a rapist or whatever, you're actually no problem at all.
00:21:59.000But if you're out on the street causing a lot of ag, you're also helping.
00:22:03.000What you actually need to do, this is what grace can do for us, is that you could get to the point where Martin Luther King, that great inspired and ingenious Christian leader, got to protesting peacefully, being willing to die for what you believe in, but not being violent.
00:22:20.000Not out of weakness or, well, maybe a kind of meekness, like the divine meekness described in the Beatitudes, but out of a strategic recognition that if you kick off, they're just going to nick you, arrest you, you won't get anywhere.
00:22:36.000I think one side would say that's like righteous anger, but then I would always say, who decides what's righteous?
00:23:46.000Then there was a civil war around the secession issues.
00:23:49.000People wanting, you know, to some degree, of course, slavery, but wanting a greater deal of control and independence.
00:23:55.000Now, we can all agree that the issue of slavery, regardless of who is enslaving whom, is wrong.
00:24:00.000But what seems to have occurred in its stead is the ability to enslave entire populations, but to maintain the slave mindset, i.e., you are not free to directly commune with your creator and live how you might want to live.
00:24:15.000That's been brokered by intermediaries.
00:24:17.000And I'm not talking about institutions like the church, although I'm sure that argument can be made.
00:24:22.000I'm talking about state and government institutions are acting as brokers and mediators of righteousness, as Jake was just indicating there.
00:24:32.000Well, I've seen some statistics that suggest that more people were deported under Clinton than have been deported so far under Trump, more under Obama, more under Bush.
00:24:42.000So the protests are actually a media concoction and as a, like so many things these days, a result of reporting and the kind of sustained hysteria that the media that we're participating in right now seems to afford.
00:24:56.000So if you are actually interested in a solution, and by solution, I probably mean salvation, redemption, and deliverance, i.e. a return to something better or an arrival at something inconceivably good, then it's not going to be doubling down on what you already know.
00:25:16.000It's going to be the willingness to reach out to people on the other side, as corny as that sounds.
00:25:21.000It's going to be for dear Alex Petty or Pretty, his name seems to be written down every time I read it in a different way.
00:25:27.000Like it's going to be, for him, the compassion that he feels for those migrants that are being dislodged and kicked out of your country in the United States.
00:25:39.000He's going to have to extend that compassion to the ICE agents.
00:25:42.000For those of you that resolutely support the ICE agents, we must be willing to see the reason and indeed kindness in the people that are protesting for migrants.
00:25:53.000And I suppose, you know, maybe we can map that onto any issue.
00:26:01.000If we're not willing to try to understand the good motives of the people that we are in conflict with, then from contempt, there will only come more conflict.
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00:28:10.000And I'm going to be using it because I'm always creating content.
00:28:13.000I'm not interested in pervy, porny things like that.
00:28:16.000You can get that wherever you want it.
00:28:17.000If you want it and you shouldn't want it, it doesn't help you.
00:28:19.000What you want to do, though, is organize systems of opposition to this corrupt and disgusting centralized tyranny that we're all forced to fight right now.
00:33:25.000In the art of war by Zun Tzu, I think he's called.
00:33:28.000It says the best fight is a fight you don't even have to have.
00:33:32.000So the cat, my brilliant suggestion of like Ilan Omar should be flanked at all times by like a sort of, I'll call it like Thundercats style Lino, like Lino from Thundercats, like Lino or the Lady Lion one, She-Ra lion one.
00:38:26.000There's people getting their fucking heads blown off week after week.
00:38:29.000Look, I reckon that our job is to not let this whole matter or any other matter fall into the false dichotomy of political argument.
00:38:36.000Things are either right or they are wrong.
00:38:38.000You're either standing up for what you believe in or you're not.
00:38:42.000And I would say she does pretty good on getting on the front foot over there.
00:38:45.000And if you think it's staged, would you apply the same analysis to any cultural artifact?
00:38:54.000Don't you think we've become adept, all of us, sort of recognizing, oh, this is my side's thing and this is the other side's thing.
00:39:01.000And I'm just through having sides because I don't think that's the answer.
00:39:05.000I'll tell you why, because I could easily find myself in an art like on the other side of an argument with my own wife and my own children pretty easily.
00:39:13.000So I just feel like what we have to do is submit absolutely to what we know to be right.
00:39:19.000And if we don't know what to be right, read the old Bible.
00:40:27.000Like in my country, briefly and sadly, I have to tell you, Americans, there was a phase called seagulling where young lads at school were ejaculating into their own hands and then throwing it at passers-by and saying, seagull!
00:40:40.000Now, well, because that's like the seagull's poop, you know, there was some breakout groups that were doing spider-manning, but seagulling and spider-manning were the main phases.
00:40:51.000You know, so we do have some precedent to understand what the trajectories might look like and whether or not you could stage a seagulling.
00:41:01.000Let us know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
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00:42:07.000This is from Romans 13, attributed to, and very, very likely, in fact, I believe it was written by St. Paul.
00:42:15.000Now, I want to point out that St. Paul was, as we would say in the UK, doing bird when he wrote this.
00:42:21.000So I've always had trouble with this because I see scripture since becoming Christian as the strongest advocacy I've ever had for rebellion against false systems while submitting entirely to God.
00:42:33.000I've come to understand that the reason that the world is the way it is is because it's in the thrall and the control of the evil one.
00:42:39.000And when popular commentators, whether it's Candace Owens or Alex Jones or David Icke, talk about demonic influence and dark, shadowy cabals and cadres and cartels and groups controlling our systems of government from behind the scenes, it's all actually in here.
00:42:56.000Except we've always had a bit of a problem with old Romans 13, which seems to tell us that we should be submitting to human authority.
00:43:01.000You thought I've all been Christian longer than me.
00:43:03.000And I'd like to know what you've got to say on it.
00:43:05.000And let me know in the comments and chat how you reconcile this.
00:43:07.000I even tried to say maybe someone snuck it in, some little snide at the Neocene Council.
00:44:59.000So park where you're supposed to park, go the speed limit, and then if you find yourself in jail under those circumstances, it's because you've...
00:45:08.000But then what if, like me, you believe that government in general has become corrupt, in general, not the exception?
00:45:14.000We're not waiting just for Rwanda or for some terrible travesty or North Korea, the outliers.
00:45:20.000What if you believe like I do in general?
00:45:22.000Well, then we're saying that my belief is heresy because there it is in black and white telling you to obey authority.
00:45:30.000I'm really struggling with that verse, particularly I sort of, you know, as all theologians and students of scripture have done for since we've had access to it, we've used different bits of scripture to argue against itself because in Revelation, it makes pretty clear that the government, world government, is the instrument of Satan.
00:45:51.000Let me know in the comments and chat if you know a lot about Christianity or if you know someone I should talk to about deep Christianity, like some cool theologian who wears SpongeBob socks or something.
00:46:37.000I think that we're in a big open prison, the way I see it.
00:46:40.000We're in an open prison that Increasingly, they'll turn our society into real life immersive one flu over the cuckoo's nest or a kind of like a one big airport where every hundred yards you have to have a check or someone sticks a stick up your snout or has a look up your bum hole, make sure that you're doing everything right.
00:46:58.000They're taking your shoes on, you know, Simon says in you to within an inch of your life.
00:48:03.000The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for 42 months, which is more or less one term of office for a president.
00:48:12.000It opened its mouth to blaspheme God and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
00:48:20.000It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them.
00:48:23.000And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
00:48:27.000All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast, all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
00:49:03.000We're not operating on the ordinary realm of consciousness anymore.
00:49:07.000Students of Carl Jung, and I know that those of you that love the great and peculiar mystic will be watching because you'll have been led to him, perhaps by Jordan Peterson, will have noted that his early work was academic, cerebral, and scriptural, textual.
00:49:22.000He wrote a lot of stuff, but as he got deeper and deeper into his analysis and his journey, he sort of, one might say, lapsed or perhaps evolved into these kind of peculiar geometric etchings, like he started to draw shapes.
00:49:35.000It's as if he's begun to recognize the limitations of language.
00:49:39.000For whatever these books suffer in translation from Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic into our common and contemporary tongues is as nothing compared to the translation from the mind of God to the mind of man.
00:49:53.000And as a new Christian, one of the things that's been a recent delight is when I'm reading his word, those famed red letter days where you read the word of Christ.
00:50:15.000Okay, we'll have a quick break now and then we'll be back with the great contributions of this extraordinary group of men that God seems to have thrown into not just my path, but yours by virtue of the fact that you're watching us.
00:50:38.000Do you think I care if I'm like ever in another film?
00:50:40.000Do you think I care about anything anymore?
00:50:42.000Do you think I care about anything beyond my children and my wife?
00:50:46.000Do you think I don't now realize absolutely that we're all already dead?
00:50:50.000That it's over, that in my head I've attended every funeral I need to attend, that I've sat on respirators, that I've lapsed back into the pillow, baptized in the River Thames, dead already.
00:51:02.000He is the one who now, well, I don't want to say lives through me because I'm still so broken and fallen, but I just meant to say my ambitions are not like what they used to be.
00:51:41.000I'm saying literally, like, because I know a lot of you are like, Nate, you'll try and make that about the Jews, won't you?
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00:53:21.000If he exists outside of time and space, from the beginning of the story, he knew the end of the story.
00:53:27.000And whatever's going to happen, we can determine our salvation, I believe.
00:53:32.000I think it's there for everyone, but you can reject it if you want.
00:53:38.000Anyway, have a look, see what you think.
00:53:40.000Before we do, I'll just let you know that I was listening to beloved Father Mike Schmitz's YouTube video from a day or so ago.
00:53:48.000And he was talking about Judas and how some people, and I think ain't one of the Gnostic Gospels not included the Gospel of Judas.
00:53:58.000And ain't there a kind of a school of thought, I guess, to which Father Mike is responding that says that Judas was somehow sort of doing what he had to do.
00:54:08.000Like, and there is a sort of a heartbreaking perspective available of like, oh my God, imagine that Judas loved Jesus so much that he knew he had to do that in order.
00:54:16.000But scripture is very clear, as Father Mike points out.
00:54:23.000And I suppose the reason that the Bible pairs Peter with Judas, i.e.
00:54:29.000The last supper two people are condemned, or for at least it is foreseen that they will inverted commas betray our lord is because throughout the Bible there are pairs of at least pairs, but often more brothers, brothers Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Aaron and Moses.
00:54:49.000And I wonder sometimes if this is to uh, help us to understand this idea of potentiality around which you're talking now Joe, that you both have free will.
00:54:58.000You can, because without free will there's no life at all, because it's already taken place, there's no creation.
00:55:04.000If you don't have free will, you don't have life, because your life has already happened before.
00:55:10.000It's happened because it's preordained predestined, pre-lived.
00:55:14.000It needs to be a volatile live, living protein thing that can at any moment turn anywhere, go anywhere.
00:55:21.000Now, my mention of Jung before seems to address at points these ideas, or certainly followers of Jung, notably Urdinger seems to suggest that the story of Job, in all his terrible suffering, foresees that in suffering you're invited to reach a point of condemnation, disavowal and ultimately, blasphemy.
00:55:43.000Though Judas says Father Mike, this is Father Mike, not me he goes like Christ would have forgiven Judas, Christ would have forgiven him.
00:55:52.000Peter comes back to become saint Peter, there is, says Father Mike no, saint Judas, because Judas doesn't ask for forgiveness.
00:56:07.000Of course, the potential for forgiveness in all, even Judias Ascaria, even he whose actions directly leads to the death of God can be forgiven.
00:56:38.000You think someone's gonna visit your grave in 100 years, that your name will be known?
00:56:40.000Come on dude, get some perspective on yourself.
00:56:43.000Everything about us will be forgotten, except by God.
00:56:45.000I've seen some crazy stuff happen, absolutely crazy, including life or death stuff, and you're like well, why did this person not die, or why did this person die, or why did I not die or, or whatever.
00:56:56.000And then you know that it's all a lie.
00:57:01.000My personal belief is that safety is used to legitimize and leverage control that people won't accept, naked control.
00:57:09.000Safety is controls condom, and in fact, that's the perfect metaphor, because that's literally what condoms do provide, you know, be safe, safe sex, etc.
00:57:18.000Amazing um, so like, so that you don't have to just tell people we're going to control you, because if we can control you, we can do whatever we want.
00:57:26.000You are, in fact, you don't have free will in us.
00:57:28.000You don't have the liveness of the creation.
00:57:30.000You are a counterfeit in which Lucifer remains god.
00:57:33.000In order that that doesn't appall you, because it's your nature to be free and to become who God wants you to be, they tell you you have to wait in this line because it's safety.
00:57:44.000You can't go through there because it's safety, and that's why people who love God hate that.
00:57:49.000Because you know it's a, it's a geez, like no no, it gives you a la achba energy, don't it?
00:57:57.000It gives you like ah, I chop your head off.
00:57:59.000And then I chop my head off everyone's heads coming off of this.
00:58:03.000Joe, you remember that time mate, when we got stopped down that country lane?
00:58:06.000They wouldn't let us go by because a branch was overhanging.
00:58:40.000I think you can determine your destiny to an extent.
00:58:44.000I think that we are, that time is not real and self is not real.
00:58:48.000And we are engaged in being about, as our Lord said when he was 12, about our father's business.
00:58:53.000We're going to be about our father's business.
00:58:55.000If what we're doing is not in alignment with him, if we're not conduits and channels for his great work, then we sort of are already dead.
00:59:02.000If the relationships in your life are not going to progress along the lives and paths ordained, be they neurological or ideological, by God, then you're dead already.
00:59:12.000If all you're going to do, if you sort of know already, what I'm going to do for the rest of my life is basically what the culture tells me to do, and then I'll teach my kids to do what the culture tells me to do, and then I'll die, then they'll die.
00:59:21.000Fingers crossed, it's in that order, then you're dead already.
01:00:02.000But like, sort of like, I think what that was like is like that, but we when we are in that state of submission and able to serve him, albeit briefly, indeed, there is a peace available to us in that.
01:00:16.000Man, down that country lane, Joe, that day, there was, we were on the way at a crown pub where we used to toil and do our trade.
01:00:24.000And believe me, we fought many battles in that 500-year-old building.
01:00:29.000That's right, older than your country by a magnitude of two, fellas.
01:00:33.000There's what's called a priest hole in the upper floors where priests would hide in the period where Henry VIII was having them all executed for the advent of his exploitation of Protestant values so he could essentially do what he wanted as a monarch.
01:00:47.000One day, a branch overhung and we were just on our way to work.
01:00:50.000Me and Joe there and the old Bill were in the street and they had a car there pulled over and maybe there was some tape and some cones and we're like, oh, we work over there.
01:00:58.000And they're like, oh, yeah, there's a branch coming.
01:01:00.000And I go, well, ain't it really just your duty to say there's a branch there and then it up to us whether or not we are willing to take that risk of that branch.
01:01:13.000And we'll decide for ourselves whether we're, some people will turn back, some people will go forward.
01:01:19.000Some people will take a vaccine, some people won't take a vaccine.
01:01:26.000Oh, because your safety could affect other people's safety.
01:01:28.000They'll use any kind of little diligent skullduggery and trickery they can in order to piece together the jigsaw that always leads back to.
01:01:42.000So like, I remember a moment, Joe, where one of the police officers was a bit like he enjoyed his uniform a bit.
01:01:51.000And like, and I think afterwards in the car, Joe said, I felt like I could have reacted to him in a way that was non-verbal, let's say.
01:02:02.000And I said, it's mad, isn't it, that if you were to respond in a way that was non-verbal, we know how that would unfurl and where that would lead.
01:02:11.000Institutionalization, incarceration, all of that.
01:02:15.000The authority that that police officer has, if you sort of pull the string back to where it actually started from, it only comes from other people beating other people into submission.
01:02:27.000At some point in history, someone beat up enough people to go, and here is our badge.
01:02:33.000You know, specifically, the royal family comes from various tribes in Saxony.
01:02:38.000To be specific, the Peelers, as they were initially known, set up by Sir Robert Peel, were set up as a sort of a counter-terrorist group to control like other gangs that were in London.
01:02:59.000And as I've said before on this show, The Gangs of New York by Maya Sculese is such a brilliant depiction of that because you see that in the initial sort of crucible, they're all just bacteria.
01:03:08.000And one set of bacteria goes and becomes the fire service, the police service, some sort of department for this or that.
01:03:16.000And like, you know, they have to all come to alliances.
01:03:19.000And I suppose that what we advocate for politically is this, that why would you grant authority to anything other than God?
01:03:28.000So unless the government is willing to be the government depicted in Romans here, a government that's like, we are doing that because of God.
01:03:37.000Because we know God thinks life is sacred, wants us to look after our most vulnerable, wants us to protect the weak, look after the widows and the orphans, that we should share and be kind, give up all your possessions and follow me.
01:03:52.000Yeah, because we know that, that's how we work as a government.
01:03:56.000The minute they're not doing that, fuck off.
01:03:59.000That's my position when it comes to Romans 13.
01:04:02.000I'll probably give them a little less largesse than some because the life I've had has shown me do not trust authority.
01:04:09.000That's just been the experience that I've had.
01:04:12.000And possibly, therefore, it could at some point be amended because I've been wrong about a lot of things a lot of times for a lot of years.
01:04:19.000But that's what I've got to say on that matter.
01:04:28.000Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
01:04:30.000And more of the different in this instance will include our show, Crack On, where we talk about our sexy little struggles with that old devil called addiction.