Stay Free - Russel Brand - MIGRANT INVASION: “IT’S DIVIDE AND CONQUER” The TRUTH About Immigration & Open Borders - SF457

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00:02:30.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:02:31.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand today.

00:02:34.000 This is an important and special show.

00:02:36.000 Well, why?

00:02:36.000 Because you're in it?

00:02:37.000 Actually, no.

00:02:38.000 Because our guest, Majid Nawaz, has walked a peculiar path in UK media.

00:02:44.000 If you're American, you may not have heard of him, so let me just give you the headlines.

00:02:48.000 He's been cancelled from Legacy Media.

00:02:51.000 He's at the forefront of the conversation when it comes to subjects like Islam, assimilation and integration, and the subject of migration.

00:03:00.000 Do you agree with me?

00:03:02.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

00:03:03.000 It's important to have conversations on the subject of integration.

00:03:08.000 I spoke to Majid as honestly as I could about my belief that at some point in order to bring about peace, actual peace, there would have to be some kind of referenda on the subject of migration.

00:03:21.000 At least that would happen in a representative republic or in an electoral democracy.

00:03:26.000 People would say, look, we might believe in mass migration, but what do you guys think?

00:03:31.000 Let us know via the ballot box.

00:03:33.000 Let us know.

00:03:34.000 And I wish I'd covered this a little more because I think this is important.

00:03:39.000 We talked a little bit about the unique example of the country of Ireland and how Ireland was condemned as racist in the same way that countries like yours, the United States of America and mine, the United Kingdom would be because of our imperialist colonial past, because of our foreign misadventures, because corporations in our name and under our flag have exploited the continent of Africa and nations across the world and therefore contributed to the migration crisis.

00:04:04.000 I wonder if you've seen the fantastic conversations on, what was it, breaking points I saw, where talking about the subject of Haitian immigration into your country, America, the important points of the way that that nation has been destabilized by aspects of American imperialism isn't often enough explained.

00:04:24.000 If we are looking at For ways.

00:04:26.000 And are we doing this?

00:04:27.000 Is this what we're trying to do?

00:04:28.000 People from different communities to come together?

00:04:30.000 Are we trying to do that?

00:04:31.000 To oppose centralised authoritarianism?

00:04:34.000 Then these are the kind of conversations that have to take place.

00:04:37.000 As well as the excellent conversation between Matt Walsh and what's that dude called on there, Gal?

00:04:42.000 Yeah, Ryan Grimm, man, on Breaking Point.

00:04:45.000 It's really worth having a look at that.

00:04:46.000 It was a pretty fascinating conversation, even though the way you see it posted is like, Matt Walsh gets schooled on Haitians and stuff.

00:04:54.000 Even that's somewhat incendiary.

00:04:56.000 What I liked about it is when you look thoroughly at the subject of migration, you realise how it benefits elites everywhere and it is detrimental to ordinary people everywhere.

00:05:09.000 And unless we're able to have the sophistication of thought and the power of spirit to overcome their diversionary and divisive tactics, we're in a lot of trouble.

00:05:20.000 Before we get into magic noirs and this fantastic conversation, remember it's been up ...on locals for a month now, as well as brilliant little meditations.

00:05:28.000 If you want to become an Awaken Wonder, you can just click the link that we're posting now on Rumble, and if you're watching this on YouTube, we're going to be there for about another 10 minutes before leaving you, because it's too crazy over there on YouTube, too much censorship.

00:05:40.000 I just want to show you the sort of stuff we do over there.

00:05:42.000 Look, this is a little meditation that I did on, uh, what book was it?

00:05:46.000 Colosseum 3-2.

00:05:48.000 Someone in our community, one of the Awaken Wonders on locals, pitched it, and we did it, because, I don't know, we're compliant.

00:05:54.000 Anything you feel, offer it to him.

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00:06:05.000 You can use an image here, of course, another helpful thing.

00:06:08.000 So we're not praying to a diffuse, non-temporal, aspatial entity, but to Jesus Christ, God made flesh, sacrificed that we may be atoned Oh, I looked so much smarter that day, didn't I?

00:06:28.000 I'm wearing that lovely shirt.

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00:06:30.000 Hair looked good.

00:06:31.000 I feel kind of scruffy today.

00:06:32.000 I sort of regret looking at that.

00:06:34.000 Hey, the election campaign continues to be giddy, divisive, and scary, but Donald Trump is at least doing what he does rather well, entertaining at rallies.

00:06:46.000 Let's have a look. 0.97

00:06:47.000 We can do all of this and more, but patriotic New Yorkers must get your asses out to vote. 0.99

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00:07:22.000 Compare that to the kind of stifled and stilted personhood of Kamala. 1.00

00:07:28.000 Look, I don't mind who you vote for.

00:07:30.000 I don't know anything.

00:07:32.000 But, like, this is an old clip of Kamala saying, like, you know, that people should be out forcibly in their homes to check your firearms.

00:07:42.000 No, it's going to bug a hell of a lot of you.

00:07:45.000 I'm more interested in the, I don't know, the essence, the charisma, the calibre of a person.

00:07:50.000 That's not a person who should be running the country.

00:07:52.000 Not even in a dystopia.

00:07:53.000 Responsible behaviours among everybody in the community and just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible and safe in the way you conduct your affair.

00:08:08.000 Have you heard?

00:08:09.000 I don't think they recognize that kind of stuff as authoritarianism.

00:08:12.000 I don't think they do.

00:08:13.000 I think they think that's the normal way of talking.

00:08:16.000 We've all been kind of schooled in it and the pandemic kind of Augmented the idea that you want the state to take care of you, or that you will permit the state to take care of you.

00:08:29.000 That the state can enable corporations to take those kind of diabolical liberties.

00:08:35.000 But it's always been there, the tendency.

00:08:37.000 You can see it in that rhetoric there, just because, you know, we might be able to come in your home and check your gun.

00:08:41.000 Something like, you know, I don't own a gun, but, you know.

00:08:45.000 Who knows what the future holds, guys?

00:08:46.000 Who knows what the future holds?

00:08:48.000 All right, here's MSNBC saying that Kamala is an inspiration because she's a product of a mixed marriage. 0.99

00:08:54.000 Actually, I believe that love does conquer all.

00:08:57.000 I believe we do have more in common than divides us.

00:08:59.000 I do believe that if people love one another, they should be allowed to be together.

00:09:03.000 But let's see what MSNBC do with this political...

00:09:05.000 But Kamala Harris would be just the opposite. 0.99

00:09:07.000 Why?

00:09:07.000 Because she's an inspiration.

00:09:09.000 Not only is she positive, and does she bring hope and optimism, but as a black woman, the product of a mixed marriage.

00:09:17.000 It's so funny to see this guy say, I don't know who he is, a former senior military official, you know, it's good though, isn't it?

00:09:25.000 I've had conversations like that sometimes, when I've been talking to advisors that try to encourage me, you know, you're great, you, come on, you're a good guy, they're lucky to have you and this contract with you.

00:09:35.000 It's very, like, that doesn't ring true.

00:09:38.000 I don't think he believes that.

00:09:40.000 He will inspire millions of people throughout the world.

00:09:44.000 Our credibility as a nation, that we would be able to allow, our country is so great that we're allowed to win.

00:09:50.000 Probably won't mind, you know, all of the imperialism, and the colonialism, and the ransacking of their resources, or the backing up of NATO as there are endless wars, or the extraordinary mismanagement of the Middle East.

00:10:01.000 All of that's going to fade into the background when they see the different types of people that confront up For globalist, corporatist interests.

00:10:10.000 A woman like that to become the Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States, that is going to send a powerful message all over the world. 1.00

00:10:18.000 People like Vladimir Putin are going to say, hey wait a minute, these guys, you know, they truly have democratic country, they truly are representative, they truly are fighting for all their people, and Kamala Harris is a manifestation of that.

00:10:32.000 Wait a minute!

00:10:33.000 They're truly represent... We can't nuke them! 0.98

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00:10:37.000 What were we thinking?

00:10:39.000 They got Kamala Harris there! 0.97

00:10:41.000 Stand down the nuclear weapons.

00:10:44.000 Kamala Harris has said that she is unburdened by what might have been.

00:10:47.000 I think we have been a little over officious.

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00:14:13.000 Magid Nawaz is a British activist, former radio presenter and founding chairman of the think tank Killian.

00:14:18.000 In January 22, he was sacked from his job on LBC radio for posts about COVID-19 vaccinations.

00:14:27.000 He was born in Southend-on-Sea in Essex, near me.

00:14:31.000 ...of a British-Pakistani family.

00:14:33.000 He's a former member of the Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir.

00:14:36.000 His membership led to his 2001 arrest in Egypt, where he remained imprisoned until 2006.

00:14:41.000 While there, he read books about human rights and made contact with Amnesty International, who adopted him as a prisoner of conscience.

00:14:47.000 He left Hizb ut-Tahrir in 2007, renounced his Islamist past and called for secular Islam.

00:14:53.000 It's a fantastic conversation.

00:14:56.000 Magid, thanks for joining me, mate.

00:14:58.000 Absolute pleasure, Russell.

00:14:59.000 Good to be here.

00:15:00.000 It's great to finally meet you and have a bit of time properly with you.

00:15:04.000 Perhaps we'll start with a prayer each to show that we can enter into a spirit of collaboration and demonstrate our alliances.

00:15:13.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:15:14.000 I mean, look, as a Muslim, the way we open any event or begin any action, whether it's eating, whether it's a chat such as this, we begin with the words, Bismillah, which in Arabic translates to, in the name of Allah.

00:15:28.000 Allah is the Arabic for the Aramaic Allah, which is the word that Jesus Christ used to reference the same one source of life, permanent, infinite source of life.

00:15:41.000 So, that's how we begin, usually, with the words, Bismillah.

00:15:45.000 And it's an absolute honor and a pleasure to be here.

00:15:47.000 Thank you very much for your invitation.

00:15:50.000 Thank you.

00:15:50.000 In the name of the Heavenly Father, Lord Jesus Christ, I pray that we can have a beautiful, open conversation together in the spirit of unity and good faith together, and that my dog don't bug us too much.

00:16:01.000 Amen.

00:16:02.000 Thank you.

00:16:04.000 There's loads of things that we agree on, and we've had so many, in a sense, comparable experiences.

00:16:09.000 We're both from the same area, and we've kind of ended up in a very similar place.

00:16:14.000 Both of us, in a sense, living on the peripheral of communication spaces.

00:16:19.000 Both of us subject to a degree of censorship.

00:16:22.000 Both of us, in a way, outcast.

00:16:23.000 It's really amazing.

00:16:25.000 To be meeting a prominent British outspoken Muslim at a time where our country seems to be somewhat riven by precisely the relationships between at least a portion at the periphery of both the British working class and by at least by the rhetoric that's available to us.

00:16:48.000 or should we say people at the periphery or outliers within Islam, I don't know what your

00:16:53.000 favoured lexicon would be, but it's no question there's tension and that the tension between

00:16:57.000 these communities is being used to legitimise whether it's like street protest, but certainly

00:17:04.000 the ultimate aim and the exploitation that concerns and interests me most is the ability

00:17:09.000 of the state to legitimise further authority by focusing on and targeting this unrest.

00:17:16.000 How do you stay true to your own affiliation, alliance, faith, culture and community, while recognising that something quite exploitative is happening in our country when it comes to censorship, control, jail sentences for tweets here in the UK, people across the world saying that we've Well look, we both, you mentioned, come from the same area.

00:17:37.000 I wonder what you in particular feel about that and how you're facing it.

00:17:41.000 Well, we both, you mentioned come from the same area, we're both from Essex.

00:17:46.000 Back in those days, and we're kind of roughly, I think a couple of years older than me, but

00:17:50.000 rough same generation, there weren't too many people that are like me in Essex.

00:17:55.000 I was born in Southend, grew up on the front, played about in Kurzweil State, Clooney Estate, in Pitsy and the Council Estates there.

00:18:02.000 I had mates across the area and it made for a different upbringing to then if I would been raised in say East London where there was a concentration of Muslims. 1.00

00:18:10.000 So I had a very interesting perspective on what it felt like to be somebody that whose I'm up until about teenage years exclusively when my friends were white English.

00:18:23.000 Right.

00:18:24.000 Then I ended up mixing with the West Indian group of friends and we got into hip-hop together from my teenage years until I left home at 16 and then I moved to East London.

00:18:32.000 But it's very interesting for me to see the way in which the UK has changed and you're right to identify these fissure points.

00:18:38.000 Whereas it used to be about racism in the old days and the bad old days of racism in this country up until the whole Stephen Lawrence case and you know that kind of led to a bit of a catharsis moment for the for the nation.

00:18:50.000 Now it's less about race and more about cultural identity.

00:18:54.000 and migration. And I think integration and what it means to be British has led to certain

00:19:01.000 tension points. And what you've just alluded to, the riots that we just experienced, sadly

00:19:06.000 in this country, two refugee hotels were torched, a mosque was attacked, all based off of a 1.00

00:19:13.000 false online rumour that the attacker was a Syrian Muslim refugee, when in fact the

00:19:18.000 attacker was born in Wales. These point to modern new points of tension and again, without

00:19:26.000 beating around the bush, a lot of that comes down to the place of Muslims in Britain. And 0.75

00:19:31.000 I think it's really important that everything that I've been trying to do and with working

00:19:36.000 with a wider network, what we've been trying to do up until this point is to try and navigate

00:19:42.000 that space. What does it mean to be a Muslim in Britain today? What does it mean to integrate?

00:19:49.000 Integrate into what? Is it a one way street integration?

00:19:53.000 Is it a two-way street?

00:19:55.000 And all of that is pretty much the debate we've been having over the course of the last two decades.

00:19:59.000 And we've made some progress.

00:20:00.000 Unfortunately, sometimes it feels like it's two steps forward, one step back.

00:20:05.000 And we've just come into a one-step-back moment with these national riots.

00:20:09.000 But that is really, I think, going to be one of the defining points going forward.

00:20:13.000 And that is the place of Muslims, not just in Britain, but in Europe.

00:20:17.000 And how we can navigate that space.

00:20:18.000 What I'll say in conclusion to these opening thoughts, Russell, is that it is understandably going to be a challenging conversation because it's the first time in history it's been done.

00:20:32.000 You could never before have a conversation with a Muslim who spent his entire life engaged in what it means to be a Muslim, including going to, as a political prisoner, going to jail for it in Egypt, right? 0.94

00:20:43.000 For attempting to overthrow the Egyptian government.

00:20:45.000 We can get to that if you like in a moment.

00:20:47.000 But you would never be able to have a conversation with a Muslim in Britain who can say to you, oh yeah I was born in Essex, we kind of grew up in a similar environment, I'm British and what does it mean to be a British Muslim today? 1.00

00:21:01.000 Because this is the first time in history we've had this kind of migration where people have been, Muslims have been born and raised in the West and feel part and parcel of that society and want a stake in having that conversation.

00:21:14.000 We go back to medieval times, it was all conquest. 1.00

00:21:17.000 It wasn't like, oh you've been born here, what does it feel like to be British if you're not You know, if you're a Muslim here, right?

00:21:22.000 So it's the first time these conversations are happening, so naturally they will be new, it'll be new ground.

00:21:32.000 On the subject of assimilation, and I suppose touching on the riots, whilst of course the flashpoint was the murder and subsequent erroneous and false reporting about a perpetrator of that murder, I think it's fair to say that in the last 10 years there have been escalating tensions More widely and deep concern about migration that's not being addressed.

00:21:50.000 I would say Muslims in Britain and migration are in a sense separate subjects, although you probably argue well, I suppose at some point But I would see it separate because Well, what my faith and hope is, is that there's the possibility for indigenous white, or sort of, it wouldn't be just white, would it? 0.90

00:22:12.000 It'd be black and a variety of cultures, Sikh, etc.

00:22:15.000 Various cultures that are within Britain to get along with respect and regard for their own cultures and faiths.

00:22:22.000 One thing I'm thinking about is that for, for want of a better term, working class British, which includes, I would say, Muslims, Christians, atheists, any conceivable faith.

00:22:36.000 But in particular, say people like, you know, white British whose identification with the country would perhaps be conventionally connected to pre-war and post-war Britain and whatever cultural ephemera comes out of that.

00:22:53.000 And the fact that I find it hard to define, I reckon, Magid, is part of the problem.

00:22:56.000 Because when we talk about assimilation, what is the culture that we're assimilating into?

00:23:01.000 Is it beer and football?

00:23:03.000 Is it Christianity? 0.78

00:23:05.000 Because it would seem to me that the culture is under attack from the top down.

00:23:09.000 And this has always been my focus as a cultural commentator.

00:23:13.000 I'm not trying to be grandiose about my position in this culture.

00:23:16.000 I was only talking on the internet.

00:23:18.000 My position has always been that we're under attack from top down, from both state bureaucracy

00:23:24.000 but also global corporatism.

00:23:26.000 That there's an annihilation of the values of the people of Britain, but also France,

00:23:31.000 everywhere, like in the United States of America.

00:23:34.000 When I'm having conversations, say, with conservative Americans, say, whether it's Ben Shapiro or

00:23:40.000 Tucker Carlson or whoever, I'm always talking to them about the potential for alliance.

00:23:45.000 And I'm always talking about the potential for us to live in communities that are decentralised

00:23:52.000 and respectful and united in our opposition of the kind of state corporatism and global

00:23:58.000 commercialism, that I think has stripped us of the kind of values that, as we discussed

00:24:03.000 prior to getting on camera, would likely bring us together.

00:24:06.000 As a recent Christian I believe that the values of Christianity are obviously personally very powerful.

00:24:14.000 I'm not in like full evangelist mode yet where I'm thinking, oh, why don't the state take back on board these values?

00:24:19.000 That's not where I'm sort of coming from.

00:24:21.000 I'm wondering on the subject of assimilation that whether or not if the people, indigenous people, felt their culture was respected generally, I don't mean by migrants, I mean by the forces of government and forces of control, which I believe increasingly and I know that you do, are not even national powers but international and therefore global powers.

00:24:44.000 If there was some sort of sense of preservation and respect for the culture, if the culture was being nourished and was thriving or even just bloody left alone to a degree of autonomy and respect, the possibility for assimilation would be more potent What do you feel about that?

00:25:02.000 Right, so let's address two points from what you've just said there.

00:25:06.000 One is, of course, there are long-serving, legitimate grievances that were festering that led to these riots.

00:25:12.000 There always are.

00:25:14.000 And whenever you see riots, I mean, I remember as a teenager, before the gentrification of Shoreditch, I used to live in Whitechapel, and I was there when the Brit Lane riots took place, because Al-Trabali was murdered in what's now a park named after his name there in Whitechapel.

00:25:25.000 When was that, mate?

00:25:25.000 This is like early 90s.

00:25:28.000 Now, at the end of the day, whether it's those riots or whether it's these recent ones that we've just mentioned, there's always going to be legitimate grievances behind them.

00:25:37.000 And migration is one of those legitimate conversations.

00:25:40.000 And it links to integration, which is the second point you've just raised there about what is the culture that we're all assimilating into when we're in this country.

00:25:49.000 Now, on that point, what I'd like to say is that it becomes incredibly important If we're expecting migrants and people that are from minority communities to integrate in Britain, for us to know what that means, right?

00:26:02.000 And as we kind of alluded to before coming on air, integrate into what?

00:26:07.000 Because when I look at recent political social history in not just the UK but around the world, in the Western world in particular, what I'm finding is a state-heavy culture That is asking not just minority communities, not just Muslims, but everybody to integrate into the kind of culture that says that you can be coerced to take medical experimental injections against your will or get sacked.

00:26:32.000 That you can be coerced against your parental better knowledge to have your children transition gender without your consent.

00:26:41.000 That you can be coerced off or out of work, booted off your only means of earning a living for wrong think, right?

00:26:52.000 That you can be detained under legislation that criminalizes thought and speech.

00:26:58.000 And so, do I want to integrate into all of that?

00:27:01.000 Do I want to integrate into a culture that says I can be jabbed against my will?

00:27:06.000 That says I can be masked or gagged?

00:27:09.000 I never complied with any of those mandates.

00:27:10.000 Why, LBC sacked me, by the way.

00:27:13.000 LBC is a British radio station on which Magid was a popular presenter up until...

00:27:20.000 And you lost your job exactly why?

00:27:22.000 I boycotted the booster shots and all other shots after that point saying that this is ridiculous when they implemented the no jab no job thing for the NHS staff and I came out against that and they basically sat me on Twitter which was a very interesting way to do it and it was I had three months left on my contract.

00:27:42.000 There's no kind of doubt that it was a sacking.

00:27:45.000 And we had a new contract negotiated, ready to sign, but the COVID thing was such a censorious, kind of machine-driven policy that it could tolerate no dissent.

00:27:57.000 So on that point, again, is that what we're integrating into?

00:27:59.000 So it comes down to what is it you want people to subscribe to as part of our culture?

00:28:05.000 And then that becomes a discussion of values.

00:28:08.000 So talking about migration, for example, If you want them to integrate or assimilate, doesn't matter for me, the semantics are less important, because it matters what values we're asking people to subscribe to.

00:28:19.000 Now, I, for the better part of the last two decades, whether it was through the counter-extremism work that I've been involved in, having founded an organization called Quilliam, that has its faults because nothing's perfect.

00:28:30.000 We tried, but that's a previous chapter.

00:28:33.000 I shut it down during COVID.

00:28:35.000 But whether it's the counter-extremism work, whether it's the work on Global's LBC through the talk radio, I'm advocating for certain core values that I believe would have done us all good, which were fundamentally resting in civil liberties and a respect for the individual and for freedoms and free speech.

00:28:50.000 But if we can agree on what those values are, we then have a mandate to ask migrants and other new arrivals to this country to integrate into something. 1.00

00:29:01.000 And also, we then have a criterion by which to judge.

00:29:05.000 So, for example, if we say like, okay, it's not racist to say that I want to curtail immigration. 0.87

00:29:11.000 Why is it not racist?

00:29:12.000 Because to understand a nation has an identity and has a certain set of values around which it coalesces, that cannot be sustained with an open border policy because you can't create that kind of community around those values if people are coming and going At will.

00:29:31.000 You have to have a place called home that people settle in.

00:29:34.000 And that requires points of entry and points of exit.

00:29:37.000 Like a house, right?

00:29:38.000 In a house it has a certain atmosphere, a certain culture.

00:29:40.000 So that's called a nation state.

00:29:42.000 Which is built around a set of certain values.

00:29:45.000 So, if we were to assume freedom of speech is one of those values, every value that I think you and I could agree on, that we'd want this word integration to apply to, free speech, individual liberties, free conscience, spiritual values, whatever those values are that I think we could probably agree on, I think we'd also agree that they've almost universally all come under attack.

00:30:07.000 Recently and so that's the key thing there is that whatever we want people to integrate into is is currently facing a head-on Assault by certain powers that do not have a sense of belonging in our nation because they are global I call them globalists and they have a vested interest in Undermining those values so that the nation cannot stand on its own two feet why because then corporate power comes in from abroad and And it fills that void.

00:30:35.000 And it fills that void for the sake of profit.

00:30:38.000 And that's what we've been seeing and feeling.

00:30:40.000 Everyone in our generation, kind of in their 40s, remembers what life used to be like.

00:30:44.000 And remembers what communities used to be like.

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00:32:20.000 So we've got a certain experience in life that wasn't what I call now the atomized online culture where literally you're connected to the entire world but you've never been more alone because you're sitting there hunched over a device Imagine what we're getting into is some pretty existential and essential areas that transcend cultural arguments and lead us back to the area where I reckon we have a consensus that globalism

00:32:51.000 And, like, just to define that term as I'm using it, is that there are a set of institutions and powers that are not subject to electoral democracy nor even national sovereignty.

00:33:00.000 In fact, via which national sovereignty is subjugated is the main way in which people of all religions, cultures and races are oppressed, if necessary.

00:33:11.000 And the freedoms that we are granted are only freedoms that can exist within the remit of their agenda being fulfilled.

00:33:19.000 See, the way What I get, even from the first part of our conversation, is that were we able to openly talk about, even to the point of having a referendum, where are most people in the UK or the United States, you know, in any nation, where are we as a people on the subject of migration?

00:33:40.000 Do people want it curtailed?

00:33:41.000 Do people want a net migration bigger each year?

00:33:44.000 But one of the fears that I have is that once that was established as a principle, and it seems like a necessary one, people across the cultural, religious and political spectrum are beginning to identify it.

00:33:53.000 Certainly in the dog-eat-dog of bipartisan, uniparty politics, it's been accepted that you at least have to parrot the right points on it.

00:34:00.000 Like whether you're Kamala Harris, you've got to say, build the wall, or whether you're Keir Starmer, you've got to say, migration is an issue, and attack Rishi Sunak, former leader, on that very subject.

00:34:09.000 Where my concerns are is, would that be the beginning of a kind of a purge, of like, right, we've stopped migration now, and now what we're going to do is we're getting into deport and send them back territory. 0.60

00:34:20.000 Now what I was interested in when you touched on Quilliam, which was what I was aware of and what I was familiar with, Is this, you talked about it was an anti-extremism thing, and extremism is not particular to any ideology.

00:34:32.000 Often when we talk about extremism, the phrase that I'm even reluctant to use because of my background is like, Islamic extremism.

00:34:40.000 But probably we could use a different or at least a more particular type of language, say like, violence.

00:34:47.000 We could just talk about like now what any community that's using violence against another community for me has transgressed against that community and if the conditions that led to the riots in our country were to a degree brought around because of the tensions around migration and the well-publicized issues that as you are imagining we're referring to mate when you said stuff was festering And we touched on it a bit before, like grooming gangs and, you know, if we're talking about like the communities where there are ongoing social tensions between, for want of a better phrase, white working class communities and Muslim communities, there's a sense that there's a separation, a sort of kind of voluntary segregation and an ongoing tension.

00:35:28.000 I try and look ahead and think, like, well, say if there was a consensus in Britain, like, right, we're going to go for net zero migration, and that, by the way, means whatever colour you are or whatever race you are, you know, you could be coming from Sweden or Iceland or America, or you could be coming from Libya or Sudan or wherever, and we're not having no more people because we feel that we can't handle it no more for the economic reasons that are outlined by, broadly speaking, People on the right we would when is the conversation going to take place about well, there are Muslim communities here now What are we saying when you say something like anti-extremism? 0.79

00:36:01.000 What is the extremism that you're referring to in?

00:36:05.000 Now not native but you know, I don't know what the right word is Muslim communities that are here and settled and have been here for ages and are part of the community.

00:36:12.000 What is it?

00:36:13.000 What would you term extremism with them communities?

00:36:16.000 Would you mean that it's not congenial, convivial?

00:36:19.000 Is it that like, you know, if you have a Muslim population as significant as we have in Britain, you've got to have Muslim schools.

00:36:25.000 You're going to have Muslim neighborhoods.

00:36:27.000 And if that is the way it's going to go, how are we going to do that so that people do feel a sense of Whether it's integration or assimilation, you touched on the semantics and I was trying to think of what the difference is in my mind, and integration is almost like an interlock and overlap, and assimilation is somewhat more diffuse, and that idea of the melting pot.

00:36:45.000 But indeed, what perhaps brings these tensions to the forefront is that Islam does offer a set of values, does offer prescriptive roles for males, females, families, communities, food, diet, festival, ceremony, etc.

00:36:58.000 All things that I would be totally like, I'm like, I admire.

00:37:02.000 and revere, and perhaps part of the problem is that Christianity has been so attacked,

00:37:06.000 and the family has been so attacked, and maleness has been so attacked, and in some ways femaleness

00:37:12.000 has been attacked, certainly that would be the arguments of feminism, that the host culture 1.00

00:37:16.000 has been annihilated by globalism and corporatism, and what is the most easy sort of shadow appearance

00:37:23.000 or opposition appearance is a strong, formerly migrant, but I would now say, you know, settled 0.75

00:37:29.000 community, and what my prayer is, and I'm guessing this is what you were going for with

00:37:34.000 Quilliam, is to say, like, what is our plan so that, you know, white or integrated white,

00:37:39.000 black, Afro-Caribbean, whatever the right terms are, working class communities and middle

00:37:43.000 class communities feel like, well, we know what the deal is now, because one of the things

00:37:49.000 that sort of tends to go along with, say, moderate or not extreme is secularism, and

00:37:54.000 yet I now see secularism as the actual extreme force, the extreme force is when you strip

00:38:00.000 away God, when you place the state at the centre, indeed your list, Majid, was about

00:38:04.000 the state's got too much power, the state is coercing us in a sort of medical way,

00:38:09.000 We sort of see, don't we, what the root is here.

00:38:11.000 CBDCs, authoritarianism, 15-minute cities, and even though people still like to ascribe that to be conspiratorial thinking, what I reckon another area that where you and I have total consensus is through the pandemic period we got a glimpse of what seemed like, if not a plan, although I think it was a plan, a kind of an inert force and an inert intention to regulate and citizen manage to

00:38:36.000 previously unimagined degrees.

00:38:38.000 And I think one of the great potential ways to oppose that would be if ordinary people

00:38:43.000 of all cultures were able to come up with some kind of consensus among ourselves.

00:38:47.000 Because I don't think it's coming from the top because they'd benefit from us being in

00:38:50.000 states of tension where we're going to get on with Muslim communities here.

00:38:54.000 These are the areas of tension.

00:38:56.000 These are the areas that are of cooperation.

00:39:00.000 So we know what areas we've got to work on.

00:39:02.000 What do you reckon, within the Muslim community, them areas of tension are?

00:39:06.000 What are the outliers or, forgive me if I'm saying the right word, what is the extreme part?

00:39:12.000 It is the bit, you know, because say on the Sky News with the lads with the machetes and all that, that's what they're saying.

00:39:17.000 When people are going two-tier policing, they say, what about these lads with machetes up in Brum, going around the bullring, all tooled up?

00:39:23.000 Like they're saying, they're not doing that.

00:39:25.000 Sky News are on saying, why extremist this?

00:39:27.000 But check out these geezers in the background. 1.00

00:39:29.000 But I can see why that would happen if you're a Muslim communion, there's riots going on, there's your grandmothers and your daughters and all that kind of stuff. 1.00

00:39:37.000 Well, I mean, let's start with this, is that globalist corporate power has every incentive to keep our communities divided, right?

00:39:43.000 Because that's divide and conquer.

00:39:44.000 So when you look at it from that angle, you understand that there's a vested interest to break up communities, to turn our culture away from traditional values, And towards corporate values.

00:39:57.000 And what I mean by corporate values is having a highly mobile workforce that isn't rooted in anywhere so that it can be moved about for the purposes of profit, including labor migration, which is what the open borders policy is about.

00:40:10.000 It's about cheap labor for big corporates. 0.97

00:40:13.000 When they outsource everything, it's about getting lower wages to have lower overheads so they can produce cheaper products.

00:40:19.000 It's all consumerism.

00:40:21.000 Now to succeed in consumerism, you need to be able to destroy communities.

00:40:25.000 Because if you've got a community, what does that mean?

00:40:27.000 It means everything working from within that community.

00:40:30.000 You've got all of the amenities made in that community.

00:40:34.000 You've got local produce of food, you've got perhaps connections with farmers, and everything's coming from an existing network in that community.

00:40:42.000 Consumerism doesn't like that.

00:40:44.000 So it needs to break all of that down so it can bring in cheap labour for cheap goods, keep overheads low.

00:40:49.000 That requires a highly mobile workforce.

00:40:52.000 That's why it suits consumerism, global corporate power, to keep us divided and conquered, because community is the opposite of divide and conquer.

00:41:01.000 When you understand that, that's the starting point.

00:41:03.000 When you look at it through that framework, you can then understand What perhaps drove the tension between certain communities in this country over the last couple of decades, including the tension between Muslims and everyone else during the War on Terror?

00:41:18.000 I mean, let's not even go to the fact that it was all built upon a lie, because that's now pretty much out there in the open with Blair, and we're going to get to Blair in a second, I believe.

00:41:27.000 Apart from all the lies it was built on, you can see just from that framework why it suits people to create the tension.

00:41:33.000 So what we need to do, I think, and what I think is perhaps going to be a generational challenge, which I'm happy to work with you on, Russell, is try and do the opposite of what globalism is trying to do to our communities.

00:41:45.000 And that's find points in common.

00:41:49.000 and try and work to get communities to begin with what we share and what we have in common, rather than define ourselves by how we're different.

00:41:58.000 There's a professor in Georgetown University called Fathallah Muqaddam, and he has a theory because a lot of people... I just got used to Majid! 0.97

00:42:08.000 A lot of people are critical of multiculturalism because everything you just described over the last decade that's happened to our communities, yeah?

00:42:14.000 So he's come up with this paper called Omniculturalism and what Omniculturalism is about is to say that is that let's begin by what we share, what we have in common and focus on that rather than focusing on our differences because where multiculturalism perhaps went wrong in the 90s under Blair and perhaps some of the excesses of the left is and what at the time through Quilliam and the work we were doing we faced a lot of criticism for raising this stuff but I think in hindsight people seem to be alright and that is We ended up in this country as communities growing together apart.

00:42:43.000 We were voluntarily segregated.

00:42:45.000 Look, I'm married to an American raised Catholic Kundalini practitioner called Rachel.

00:42:51.000 She's not Muslim. 1.00

00:42:52.000 She's from Tennessee, and I met her in New York, proposed to her in Paris, married her in Nashville, and we live in London, right?

00:42:57.000 That's who I'm married to, and we've got a son.

00:42:59.000 He's seven.

00:42:59.000 His name's Gabriel, because in Arabic that's Jibril, and at the end of the day, you know, Muslims anyway, or we marry Jews and Christians, it's something that's been established from the beginning because they're known as Ahlul Kitab, People of the Book.

00:43:12.000 There's a lot of potential there in terms of what Muslims have in common with Christians.

00:43:17.000 As a starting point, for example, the majority of this country is at least nominally Christian.

00:43:20.000 But let's not even take it from a religious lens and look at it from a cultural lens.

00:43:24.000 Because religiously, I could talk to you a lot about Jesus and being a prophet, being a messiah, being according to the Quran, being the word of God, the spirit of God, being the messenger that we wait, the prophet of God that we wait to return as well, as in the second coming.

00:43:41.000 All of this in doctrine Muslims share with Christians. 0.76

00:43:45.000 But even if we don't approach it from the religious lens, yeah the virgin birth for example, even if we approach it just from the political and cultural lens, right?

00:43:54.000 People will realize this because it's all from recent, very recent experience.

00:43:59.000 If you take the Covid period for example, Muslim communities were among those that were in the front lines opposing all the mandates.

00:44:07.000 And that's because Whether it's Muslims or generally minority communities including African Americans with the Tuskegee experiments, ethnic minorities have been on the receiving end of medical experimentation by the state. 0.79

00:44:18.000 I too was jabbed against my will in an Egyptian torture facility and prison where I was held, right?

00:44:24.000 So when the COVID mandates came along, one of the things I said on the LBC show that I had

00:44:28.000 was, "I have been an amnesty-adopted prisoner of conscience for thought crimes when I was jailed in Egypt for five

00:44:34.000 years, dragged through a torture dungeon, and injected against my will. So I've got something to say

00:44:39.000 about forced injections." 0.75

00:44:40.000 Now, Muslims and generally minority communities were in the front lines on that,

00:44:45.000 and everybody that lived through that COVID experiment, who was also opposed to COVID mandates,

00:44:51.000 That's point number one that you can find immediately similarity and commonality and common ground on and that is to oppose medical forced coerced medical experimentation.

00:45:01.000 Whether you look from that to the woke kind of transgender stuff, right? 1.00

00:45:06.000 Transitioning children Muslims again. 0.99

00:45:07.000 were on the front lines opposed to the idea that in schools you could take children who

00:45:13.000 were pre-puberty, put them on puberty blockers without involving the parents, without the

00:45:17.000 consent of parents. Muslims were protesting against this stuff well before it became mainstream.

00:45:24.000 Another area of similarity and common ground. You can move from that to excessive state

00:45:29.000 power and the concern over civil liberties. Having lived through the war on terror, having

00:45:34.000 been for example, my own personal experience, having been detained at Heathrow under the

00:45:38.000 Terrorism Act section schedule 7, so Terrorism Act 2000, schedule 7, under Tony Blair as

00:45:43.000 Prime Minister, where remaining silent still to today is a criminal offence if you're stopped

00:45:50.000 in any port of entry or exit of the UK, airports, shipping ports, the police can stop you without

00:45:55.000 probable cause, without suspicion, they can interrogate you and being silent, practising

00:46:00.000 your rights, what the US calls Miranda rights, of not answering questions under schedule

00:46:05.000 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 is a criminal offence.

00:46:08.000 You have to answer questions.

00:46:10.000 When I was held under that Act, we weren't even allowed lawyers, right?

00:46:14.000 So that's one example.

00:46:16.000 But then, all of that's been expanded.

00:46:17.000 In the US, it's the Patriot Act.

00:46:18.000 In the UK, the Terrorism Act.

00:46:20.000 It's been expanded to include things like hate crime and arresting people for tweets.

00:46:24.000 Muslims, because of the war on terror, have been, again, on the front lines opposing all that.

00:46:30.000 Another ground, area of common ground, right?

00:46:33.000 So, already we can begin seeing.

00:46:35.000 Now, in your case, and your own journey, with your, I think, conversion, you're saying you're happy with the word, so... Yes, thank you.

00:46:41.000 Your own conversion and journey.

00:46:44.000 Another area, traditional values, the desire for community, grounded in some form of spiritual experience, is another area that Muslims and wider society can very easily see eye-to-eye on.

00:46:57.000 So if we approach... That's four areas we've just named, right?

00:47:00.000 And that's not even from the religious lens.

00:47:02.000 We're talking about doctrine and the status of Jesus Christ in Islam, and Muslims awaiting his second coming, the reverence for the...

00:47:09.000 For Mary, the mother of Jesus, an entire chapter named after her in the Quran.

00:47:14.000 There's so much we can go into even from the theological side.

00:47:19.000 When you realize that, Russell, you begin thinking, bloody hell, how have they been on opposite ends of so much?

00:47:26.000 over these years.

00:47:26.000 And the answer there, despite everything they share in common, they meaning Muslims and everyone else, the answer is because of divide and conquer.

00:47:33.000 There are certain vested interests that basically benefit from sowing the seeds of distrust and from exaggerating the points of difference.

00:47:42.000 So despite me saying to you there's an entire chapter in the Quran named after Mary, And it's the most honored woman in Islam.

00:47:50.000 I could go on and on about this.

00:47:52.000 I'm married to a Catholic woman that went to Catholic school.

00:47:54.000 I could go on about this and someone come along and say, yeah, but you don't believe Jesus is God.

00:47:58.000 You don't believe Jesus is the son of God.

00:48:00.000 So there's a way to have this conversation where we focus on the negative.

00:48:04.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 Or there's a way to have this conversation where we're like, look at everything we share, right?

00:48:08.000 And that's where I think we've been going wrong.

00:48:10.000 Both Muslims and everyone else.

00:48:11.000 Not just, you know, I'm not finger pointing here.

00:48:13.000 Yes.

00:48:13.000 Do you think that we have generally allowed ourselves to be corralled into points of fissure and tension when through moral fortitude and spiritual fortitude we might have remained open and remained in good faith.

00:48:31.000 But when we are dealing with centralized and censuring power such as we are, it's easy to see how online incendiary language and invective translates into incendiary action and tension on the streets.

00:48:48.000 Now part of my question to you earlier, Majid, was like in what area would you be commending that Muslim communities were altered, amended, changed the process of integration to soften these edges which might indeed actually conversely involve More autonomy in the communities.

00:49:14.000 Let me, if I may, extrapolate and expand on that.

00:49:20.000 I will be saying that in the event that we were able to have a mandate, a consensus around the subject of migration, saying that if people across the United Kingdom, and I would say that the type of politics that might interest me is Whilst one admires visionary politicians that present the electorate with a purview that we might all be able to get behind, that's part of it, ultimately what excites me is the possibility of a discourse along the lines of, this is what we believe the function of migration is, and of course I agree with your assessment, it's about flooding labour markets and disempowering indigenous or native or current communities to the point where they can't negotiate. 0.99

00:50:02.000 Everywhere.

00:50:03.000 That would be in the United States.

00:50:04.000 It would be everywhere.

00:50:05.000 And what I feel like is something I often have recourse to is a statement that Gandhi made prior to the partitioning of India after the end of British rule.

00:50:16.000 So there's no point in us kicking out the British only to emulate the systems that they hoisted upon us. 1.00

00:50:22.000 India is a country of 70,000 villages where each should be fully autonomous and independent,

00:50:28.000 where possible trading only where necessary, and we should be sure to maintain our cultures

00:50:33.000 right down almost to the smallest communal level.

00:50:36.000 Now when I've had conversations prior that I alluded to, mate, with like American conservatives for want of a better,

00:50:42.000 I've said, "Would you like, even to Ben Shapiro, would you be on a platform say with BLM type folks, 0.99

00:50:48.000 or proper trans activist folks, if the ultimate point was we want to be able to run our own community

00:50:53.000 and just be left alone by the state and run our community our way?"

00:50:57.000 And they're like, yeah, ultimately that would be a better deal.

00:50:59.000 because I think that all of us have become compromised by the evolution and

00:51:04.000 excesses of the nation-state and how the nation-state is graduating clearly into

00:51:09.000 globalism without any consultation, without any election.

00:51:13.000 We're at the point where Britain itself is being compromised and I wouldn't

00:51:17.000 say, but this is just my particular perspective, I know people would see

00:51:20.000 this differently, I wouldn't say that the dominant threat has been migration.

00:51:24.000 It's clearly, and you yourself have acknowledged that it is part of the decline

00:51:28.000 of national identity and the kind of economic and labour market impact of that

00:51:33.000 and indeed the impact it would have on the cultural identity, but I would

00:51:37.000 say, you know, I've I've always said, if we're talking about power, how can some of the least powerful groups be the perpetrators of your loss of power?

00:51:50.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:51:50.000 It can't be.

00:51:52.000 Like, leaving their countries because of economic reasons or because of war, even if it's like the worst case scenario, and I'm talking from the perspective of, you know, sort of closed border nationalism, of like, young working age, military age, they might even say, men flooding our borders, even then I'd say, wouldn't a policy of like, you know, net zero migration have to be accompanied, and here's perhaps part of the problem, With less rampant globalist corporatism and capitalism that's unsettling and exploiting the nations either through war or corporatism that's leading to the refugee crisis and migration in the first place.

00:52:28.000 Would it be a concomitant policy?

00:52:31.000 You say we're not going to have no more migration, but neither are we going to be plundering over there, 1.00

00:52:35.000 neither are we going to be supporting and sponsoring wars over there,

00:52:38.000 neither are we going to be displacing populations over there.

00:52:40.000 And as for the various cultural groups that live in Britain now,

00:52:44.000 'cause we're not turning back the clock and we're not booting people out,

00:52:47.000 we're going to have to come to an agreement where we decentralize power as much as possible,

00:52:52.000 to your point, so that communities feel that we are as much as possible in charge of our own food,

00:52:57.000 we're as much as possible in charge of our own governance, and as much as possible committed

00:53:02.000 to a truly representative discourse when it comes to the running of our communities,

00:53:06.000 which by the way, due to the miracle of technology, would be possible now.

00:53:11.000 There've been various experiments, I'm sure you're familiar with them,

00:53:13.000 where budgets are allocated immediately through after taxation to communities,

00:53:18.000 so at the smallest manageable unit, people can decide what they want to spend

00:53:21.000 on hospitals, roads, municipality.

00:53:24.000 What this would truly do, if you ask me, is you would start opposing global capitalism,

00:53:28.000 you'd start saying we don't want Thames water owned by companies in Hong Kong and China and Canada

00:53:33.000 dumping sewage into the Thames.

00:53:36.000 These municipalities should be community-managed assets.

00:53:39.000 Of course, in order to implement something like that, you'd need a massive populist mandate.

00:53:43.000 And in order to achieve such a thing, you'd have to take on globalism head-on straight away.

00:53:48.000 And you'd have to start with a truce.

00:53:50.000 I would say one of the main sort of conflagrations, certainly on the basis of what we've seen in the last six months or whatever, is the problems on actual streets.

00:53:59.000 Between Muslim communities and largely white British people, who are being sort of called racist and criminalized, and to your point about extremism, no doubt! 0.97

00:54:09.000 Like, same as you're presumably saying within Muslim communities, there's people pushing it extreme, you'd say the same thing in white indigenous communities.

00:54:18.000 And what I suppose ultimately we want to achieve, in much the same manner you've said between Islam and Christianity, is to look at what our points of... the points where we can coalesce and unite are, and then surely what we would have is something approaching a force that could oppose globalism.

00:54:34.000 The only way to oppose globalism indeed is going to be through mass protest, mass disobedience, mass non-compliance, and a previously inconceivable degree of unity that could only be brought on by the kind of crisis that

00:54:47.000 are currently being utilised to double down on authoritarianism.

00:54:50.000 We're going to have to bang people up for tweets now because they're rioting in the

00:54:54.000 streets and setting on fire migrant hotels.

00:54:55.000 So if people are racist or whatever online, they're getting lumpy little jail sentences

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00:55:55.000 And the way through this, because you've touched on the idea of like, even those who want to stop migration have to recognize that a lot of the migration patterns are coming from countries that we've invaded, right?

00:56:04.000 So the way through this, because look, Afghanistan and migration, Iraq and migration, Syria and migration, Yemen and migration, these are all countries where there's been wars that we've either directly been involved in, in the case of the first of those three, four, and then the last one, Yemen, where we've been indirectly involved by Saudi Arabia.

00:56:21.000 So, at the end of the day, this requires honest conversation.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 And part of the problem today is on all sides, conversation has stopped being honest.

00:56:31.000 And one of the reasons is because conversation is increasingly being censured and censored.

00:56:38.000 So, we're not able to have honest conversation and where we try and have honest conversation, we're cancelled.

00:56:45.000 We're basically booted off the airwaves.

00:56:47.000 We're shadow banned.

00:56:48.000 We are marginalized.

00:56:50.000 We are called all manner of pejorative insults like conspiracy theorists.

00:56:55.000 So, to even speak about globalism is a bit easier now than it was even three years ago when I got kicked off LBC, right?

00:57:03.000 To speak, for example, now, as we just discussed, Russell, it's no longer controversial to talk about the heart vaccine harms.

00:57:10.000 It's just within the space of the last two, three years, right?

00:57:13.000 It's no longer controversial to oppose all COVID mandates.

00:57:15.000 It's no longer controversial to talk about Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:57:19.000 I was on air when Twitter banned the entire account of the New York Post for posting that story and yet raised it on LBC and interviewed a New York Post columnist.

00:57:29.000 Well, the comments editor.

00:57:31.000 And so you can see my trajectory to being kicked off because honest conversation is anathema to those globalist powers.

00:57:40.000 Because you can't build strong communities without having that honest conversation that binds us.

00:57:45.000 So one of the things they need to come up against is honest conversation.

00:57:49.000 And this idea of cancel culture, which I think you've experienced a bit of...

00:57:53.000 No, no, I've been having a nice time.

00:57:55.000 It's just been bright and breezy.

00:57:58.000 Well, it brings me nicely to I think, I think where we are, if you look at the online culture now versus what people used to call mainstream media, but I call corporatist media, because I don't think it's that mainstream anymore, to be honest.

00:58:10.000 And if we look at where we are, we've ended up with, I think we've co-created as a society, two very different realities.

00:58:18.000 And there's the online reality, and there's the corporatist controlled reality of so-called mainstream.

00:58:24.000 And if you're in that bubble, of the corporatist bubble, you can watch the very same event like the Kamala Harris-Trump debate recently, and you can come out entirely convinced that Kamala won and Trump lost.

00:58:34.000 Well Harris won and Trump lost if you're on the online bubble

00:58:37.000 You can watch exactly the same thing and come out and say that was three against one and Trump still beat them

00:58:41.000 Right because it was the ABC broadcasters and Kamala Harris against Trump

00:58:45.000 It was stacked against him and he still came out strong the very same reality can be interpreted in polar opposite

00:58:51.000 Perspectives because people are living in very very different worlds. One is the

00:58:55.000 post cancellation online alternative space hmm, and the other is pre cancellation still going kind of

00:59:01.000 corporatist media space that you and I used to both be involved as

00:59:05.000 And the funny thing is, for the last few years, it feels like they've been going in opposite directions, almost like a fork, right?

00:59:11.000 People that opposed the Covid mandates, that opposed the war in Ukraine, that opposed or exposed the Hunter Biden laptop story and all the other censored news ended up in one space and they generally tend to be people that are anti-establishment, anti-globalist.

00:59:25.000 It doesn't matter too much if they're openly pro-Trump, but they certainly feel that Trump was discriminated against.

00:59:30.000 I mean, one of the things the Observer, which is our Sunday Guardian, when they wrote the article about my being cancelled,

00:59:36.000 they put "Conspiracy theorist raises alarm" as a headline on coronavirus and US elections.

00:59:42.000 Because at the time in 2020, I was trying to raise the alarm

00:59:46.000 about what I felt was interference in the US elections against Trump.

00:59:50.000 And I don't believe you have to be a supporter of Trump To raise that alarm.

00:59:53.000 But that's one reality.

00:59:55.000 And then there's this other parallel reality where people think, genuinely think, we're mad for having those, like, we're insane, actually insane, for believing that the elections were interfered with, that Trump's being kind of discriminated against a bit, which I believe very thoroughly, having looked into it the way I do, that he has been, um, elections were, there's a Time magazine article About a cabal that interfered in the elections and fixed it against Trump.

01:00:19.000 I mean, people can look it up.

01:00:20.000 The shadow history of the 2020 election campaign, it's called.

01:00:23.000 And they're boasting about it.

01:00:25.000 But people think we're insane for saying that.

01:00:27.000 Meanwhile, we're looking at people still stuck in the corporatist media world and thinking, how are they not woken up yet?

01:00:33.000 How are they still claiming, like the mayor of New York, that they suddenly were tested positive for COVID?

01:00:36.000 Who the bloody hell is still testing for COVID? 0.92

01:00:39.000 They think we're mad and we think they're mad. 0.87

01:00:41.000 What I think we need is, and that's been done deliberately, again, so that we're talking cross purposes.

01:00:45.000 We're no longer talking the same language.

01:00:47.000 In the end, that's a recipe for civil war, right? 0.70

01:00:50.000 Which suits globalists because it goes back to divide and conquer.

01:00:53.000 The fault lines in our society isn't just Muslims against others.

01:00:59.000 It's alternative media against traditional kind of corporatist media.

01:01:02.000 It's in Northern Ireland Catholics and Protestants.

01:01:04.000 There are many fault lines, but the globalists benefit from exploiting all of them.

01:01:08.000 It just happens to be that a headline one at the moment is Muslims and others, right?

01:01:12.000 It must be true, because otherwise why would you have seen this bizarre inversion of principles in American politics between the left and the right?

01:01:19.000 That the left is now pro-censorship, that the left is anti-free speech, that the left is pro-war.

01:01:25.000 What's happening is there was no anchor of virtue, merely facilitation and expedience for the way the culture was operating at that time.

01:01:35.000 What do we need to say at this point to maintain power?

01:01:37.000 These things!

01:01:38.000 Well, we'll say those things then.

01:01:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:01:40.000 A few things I want to pick up on.

01:01:42.000 Like, see, like, you would have to agree that in a country like Britain, with its colonialist past and the legacy of that, that there is a tension that exists that warrants a degree of compassion when it comes to the subject of migration.

01:01:59.000 Almost a duty.

01:02:01.000 It don't seem right that the people that suffer most of that are the Sort of working-class people that are just fodder in the same way that countries that are colonized and subject to imperialism were fodder.

01:02:12.000 They just sort of moved on, found new markets, found new commodity.

01:02:15.000 And the same in the United States of America, for its rather more corporatized colonization of the world.

01:02:21.000 Somewhat more insidious, not so plain, not planting flags but planting logos.

01:02:28.000 I wonder though, with the recent disturbances in Ireland, mate, I like, because I was talking about that when it happened, of course, and I was like, it's weird because Ireland don't have a colonial history, and when Ireland has social disturbances as a result of a migration crisis, and it was obvious that those, whilst them riots, people were way off To say that it would be an undocumented migrant and all that, it's almost like the the tinderbox was so ready to go, people are so agitated and I don't reckon it's a coincidence that it was just after the election when Keir Starmer sort of marches to power with 30% of the of the voting public but it's still a landslide and all of us know in our heart hearts this is a slide to WEF style globalism.

01:03:09.000 This is not a Labour Party that's interested in representing working people.

01:03:13.000 This is like the kind of political movement like say Justin Trudeau, Macron, Yeah, he's a Blairite.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, he's a Blairite.

01:03:20.000 Yeah, essentially Blair is a globalist and is one of, almost one of the elders of globalism now.

01:03:25.000 How do you, how do you yourself, I wonder, unpack the social disturbances, riots and tension between, in Ireland?

01:03:33.000 I guess it's a little simple, is it?

01:03:36.000 It's more simple because Ireland Has been colonized by again by the British of course and has been subject to being a subjugated power.

01:03:46.000 How does that, what does that reveal about the problems incumbent within migration when they don't have the same sort of debt or sort of duty that you could say well bloody hell America's caused all these wars, Britain's caused all this grief.

01:04:00.000 Gotta take it on a chin when it comes to... The thing is, those problems are natural.

01:04:03.000 So yes, in the case of mainland UK, there is the historical kind of guilt, yeah?

01:04:08.000 But wherever these mass migration patterns take place, and whether it's in the East or the West, natural tensions will eventually arise because they're competing over the same markets for the same housing, for the same jobs, for the same places in schools.

01:04:20.000 Natural tensions will arise.

01:04:22.000 But again, back to globalists benefiting from exploiting all and every fault line, That's another example there, because the same powers that want to encourage open borders and mass migration will then exploit the division that occurs from it.

01:04:36.000 Why?

01:04:37.000 Because what's the dialectic there?

01:04:38.000 Tension leads to riots and violence.

01:04:41.000 Violence and riots lead to public pressure for more security.

01:04:44.000 More security means harsher legislation, which means more control for the state again.

01:04:48.000 And it's that never-ending cycle.

01:04:51.000 Even these recent UK riots we just came through, right?

01:04:53.000 Keir Starmer immediately, the very next day, which you probably remember, Russell, came out and said, right, we're going to basically start clamping down on posts online and all this online hate.

01:05:01.000 The state of our law at the moment, which Americans may or may not understand, but we should lay it out for them.

01:05:06.000 Our hate speech legislation.

01:05:07.000 If you said something to me on this show, like, there's a point I do want to get, you asked me a question earlier, which I do want to answer, by the way, about what could Muslims be doing to address extremism.

01:05:15.000 That'd be good, that.

01:05:16.000 If I, if I, if I, you asked me that question, if the current state of British law is, if a third party watching this show took offence at you asking me what could Muslims do to address extremism, right?

01:05:29.000 If they took offence on my behalf and said that your question was offensive, That third party can complain to police under our current state of hate crime laws, and you could get done for hate speech.

01:05:41.000 Because a third party is taking offence.

01:05:42.000 Even if I'm here chilling with you, right?

01:05:44.000 The state of our legislation at the moment is, hate speech isn't just what I think you said to me, but what a third party thinks I may have found offensive.

01:05:52.000 And that's how all these people are getting arrested.

01:05:54.000 Because it's so amorphous at the moment.

01:05:57.000 But again, how does that benefit corporatism?

01:06:00.000 Because again, it's more power to the state.

01:06:02.000 And whenever a piece of legislation is that wide open, there is only one way to implement it, and that is inconsistently.

01:06:09.000 Because if law can be applied to every given scenario, then by definition, it will only selectively be applied.

01:06:16.000 Because it can be applied to everything, right?

01:06:18.000 So then it's a political decision when to apply it.

01:06:21.000 Excellent.

01:06:21.000 And then you have the people in power, their politics, Keir Starmer, gets to define when to implement hate speech.

01:06:29.000 And that's where it's become politicized.

01:06:30.000 We've got such a wide, our legislation is so wide, every tension, whether it's the stuff, the migration in Northern Ireland, which yep, or here in the mainland, or across Europe.

01:06:40.000 All of these tensions, Muslims and wider communities, but not just Muslims as we're saying earlier, but the tensions that exist across society.

01:06:47.000 At the moment, elderly and young kind of, you know, with the Labour Party cancelling the whole kind of winter fuel allowance.

01:06:53.000 All of these tensions, the elderly with the midazolam story that during the Covid period, where the elderly and all evidence points to the fact that we've got peer-reviewed statistical research done by Dr Wilson Tsai, that the elderly during COVID were basically given midazolam and their deaths were deliberately sped up by the state to get rid of them because they were a burden on the state.

01:07:14.000 These are all points of tension and fissure, you know, basically fault lines in society.

01:07:19.000 The state benefits from all of this, right?

01:07:21.000 So what we got to again come back to is how do we pull back from this kind of, it feels like this kind of octopus that is using every opportunity to only gain more and more power for itself while we're stuck fighting each other.

01:07:35.000 And I think the answer there, first of all, comes back to that values point that we have to first discover what we stand for.

01:07:40.000 And it's why I think your spiritual journey is very important in that regard.

01:07:45.000 Because if we first stand for something, we can then call others towards a certain set of values that we all share in common.

01:07:51.000 And free speech is a key one on that note.

01:07:54.000 Because ubiquitous criminalization requires almost a kind of ubiquitous virtue as a response.

01:08:00.000 It's like that we have to become virtuous and in a sense the kind of spiritual values that creates We've talked about consumerism, commodification, a lot, and when a component of this corporatism is that our only value and our core identity is on the basis of how we consume and how we interface with corporatism, that we're losing any identity other than our individual identity.

01:08:31.000 And if you have become your own deity, if you are your own internal Pamphian, worshipping your aspects of your own psyche, with no higher or ulterior God that is guiding your principles, guiding your practices, then the state is free to be God, free to tell you, this is our new credo, we believe in this, we don't believe in that.

01:08:51.000 And I love your point about the sort of broad, diffuse criminalisation of speech that can be legislated for generally and deployed specifically.

01:09:04.000 And that's why that's weaponization.

01:09:06.000 It's why the law is deliberately open like that, whether it's the terrorism legislation, the hate crime laws causing offense.

01:09:13.000 It's why it's so broad, because it can, when something covers everything, it can only be deployed in specific circumstances.

01:09:21.000 It can't be applied normally because it covers everything.

01:09:23.000 All employers in Ireland, in the wake of their social disturbances, were like, hold on a minute, you could do that.

01:09:28.000 That means anything.

01:09:29.000 We can take people's phones.

01:09:30.000 And their answer would be, yeah, we know it can mean anything, but we decide what that thing is.

01:09:34.000 It's not yet before.

01:09:35.000 And that's what's happening.

01:09:36.000 It's like no one now, I think we're in a state, to your point about the two diffuse, the dichotomy of these worlds.

01:09:44.000 Now, the world I live in, no one trusts the judiciary.

01:09:47.000 No one trusts the media.

01:09:49.000 No one trusts the establishment.

01:09:50.000 And like you were saying, you indicated as your very personal and particularly sounds pretty harrowing and amazing background would make you take a particular stance against the Japs. 1.00

01:09:57.000 My position was like, don't tell me what to do.

01:10:00.000 I don't trust authority.

01:10:02.000 My first reaction to authority is not, oh, here's that thing that looks after me.

01:10:06.000 It's like, I don't trust them.

01:10:08.000 I don't trust them.

01:10:09.000 I didn't trust them 10, 15 years ago when they were telling me, I hate all Muslims and they're all terrorists and all that kind of stuff. 0.74

01:10:15.000 And now that the tensions and the dynamics have changed and the reporting is ordered, I'm still cynical and suspicious about what they're doing. 0.90

01:10:22.000 But I do know that the solution has to be some kind of congeniality.

01:10:26.000 And I wish you would answer that question, even though I'm scared of the question now.

01:10:30.000 So one of the reasons you're suspicious of authority is naturally where you're from, right?

01:10:35.000 You're from Essex, you're not from Kensington, right?

01:10:37.000 And I think there's a different upbringing there.

01:10:39.000 And I think, so those two spheres that we mentioned earlier, so one of the projects I'm trying to do and be involved in, in fact the next big project I'm working on, is to try and bridge those two audiences, the online and the so-called kind of corporatist media worlds, the kind of way in which conversations are forked, where they're not really, they're talking cross-purposes.

01:11:00.000 So I'm working on a project as a show called Cancelled that seeks to address Those that kind of have been cancelled or there's an effort to cancel their voices or to suffocate their voices and try and have that show back on a corporate platform But with the conversations that we've been having over the last four years in the online space to try and bridge that again

01:11:20.000 Yeah, and you could almost show, I suppose, the teleology of issues like COVID in particular.

01:11:24.000 You were saying this stuff was, now look at where we are.

01:11:26.000 What are you saying about myocarditis now?

01:11:28.000 What are you saying about lockdown now?

01:11:29.000 What are you saying about six feet now, masks?

01:11:31.000 Somebody's got to try and bridge those two audiences.

01:11:33.000 So that's what I'm working on next.

01:11:34.000 I mean, when there's time, you're more than welcome to sit down with me on that.

01:11:38.000 Hopefully the plans come to fruition.

01:11:41.000 But I think there is a real serious need to bridge those audiences.

01:11:44.000 And this conversation around Muslims and what Muslims could also be doing is important.

01:11:48.000 Will it answer my racist questions?

01:11:50.000 I'm doing it right now.

01:11:51.000 This is the answer.

01:11:51.000 It wasn't racist, I didn't think.

01:11:54.000 It was actually a prayer for peace.

01:11:57.000 Another bridge is that one, right?

01:11:59.000 So we've come through a whole period of the war on terror era where ISIS was a problem, Al-Qaeda were a problem, other such groups.

01:12:06.000 There was a tendency within our communities to seek to impose any given version of Islam over society, right? 0.99

01:12:13.000 isn't a majority desire, but there was an organized group within our communities that

01:12:18.000 ended up in its worst case manifesting as ISIS. So where we identify or are able to

01:12:24.000 identify that tendency, it needs to be dealt with, it needs to be addressed, it needs to

01:12:28.000 be challenged. But that again brings us back to honest conversation, where we may not be

01:12:35.000 having honest conversations on grooming gangs, on kind of Al-Qaeda/ISIS-based extremism.

01:12:41.000 Where we may not be having honest conversations on that stuff, wider society also needs to start having honest conversations on, for example, the global Mossad VIP pedophile ring that was run by Epstein.

01:12:52.000 Because it's not just grooming gangs.

01:12:53.000 That was the world's largest grooming gang.

01:12:55.000 That even our Prince Andrew was involved in.

01:12:57.000 They had their own island!

01:12:58.000 Precisely!

01:12:58.000 They weren't doing it in a chicken shop!

01:13:00.000 Right, so a bridge that kind of brings together those worlds that aren't mixing at the moment is what I'm all about.

01:13:06.000 As I said, I'd be more than happy to continue working with you on that in conclusion, because I know we're running out of time.

01:13:12.000 But yeah, so as I said, looking forward to this show cancelled.

01:13:15.000 There's extremism in these communities.

01:13:18.000 I felt it actually around 9-11 and the subsequent tensions that grew out of that, not to mention the mad, giddy and unjust wars that have caused yet more extremism and yet more pain and yet more suffering that goes on to this very day.

01:13:30.000 How come we're letting the polarizing voices dominate the discourse?

01:13:36.000 Precisely.

01:13:36.000 Alright mate, thanks.

01:13:38.000 That was a good conversation.

01:13:39.000 We'll have to have more conversations.

01:13:40.000 Didn't press a single button.

01:13:42.000 Didn't get to do none of the stuff.

01:13:43.000 We didn't get to Tony Blair.

01:13:44.000 Didn't get to Tony Blair.

01:13:46.000 Good.

01:13:46.000 He's had enough air time.

01:13:47.000 Thanks, mate.

01:13:48.000 Thank you very much.

01:13:49.000 Thank you.

01:13:49.000 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation between me and Majid Nawaz.

01:13:52.000 Let me know in the comments and the chat exactly what you thought of it.

01:13:56.000 Remember, we will be back next week, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:14:00.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

01:14:11.000 Man, he's switching.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 20, 2024

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