Stay Free - Russel Brand - ⁠Modern Education Is Working Exactly As Planned… - SF736

00:00:10.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, a controversial conspiracy theorist, trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:19.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

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00:00:22.000 I might be somewhere preparing for the numerous battles ahead, but you shouldn't have to suffer.

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00:00:39.000 You're going to enjoy this show in particular because I'm talking to Andrew Kern. 0.98

00:00:44.000 A classical educator who believes that children aren't imbeciles just to be stuffed full of falsehoods and exploited by globalist elite paedophiles. 0.92

00:00:53.000 No, what you can actually do is instruct your children to grow in grace and present awareness. 0.96

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00:01:02.000 Andrew Kern is one of the leading voices in the classical Christian education movement.

00:01:07.000 For more than 30 years, he's challenged modern assumptions about education, arguing that its purpose is not simply to prepare children for careers, but to cultivate wisdom, virtue, and a life.

00:01:18.000 Long love of truth through his teaching, writing, and work with schools around the world, he continues to help parents and educators rethink what it truly means to educate a child.

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00:02:32.000 And now, Andrew Kern.

00:02:36.000 Andrew, thank you so much for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:41.000 I'm glad to be here.

00:02:42.000 I should probably be up front with you, though, and tell you that I first learned about you a couple years ago during your conversion.

00:02:50.000 I basically watched your public conversion.

00:02:53.000 And so I didn't, yeah, it was exciting to see.

00:02:57.000 And then when I was invited to participate on your podcast, I looked closer to see your journey.

00:03:05.000 And a curiosity has arisen within me, which is what is it about what I'm doing and me and my ministry that draws your interest?

00:03:17.000 I am interested in truth, and I'm interested in power.

00:03:25.000 It's my strong belief, Andrew, that there is an evil principle prevailing in this world that will lead us into perdition.

00:03:37.000 That the world is generating deliberately modes of selfishness and ignorance as kind of false firmaments to ensure that the individual can't function as a conduit for God's love and God's glory.

00:03:56.000 That technology appears to drive everything.

00:04:00.000 Epoch.

00:04:01.000 That every time there's a great technological advancement, the technology understandably and perhaps even necessarily primarily benefits elites.

00:04:08.000 They have the greatest access to it.

00:04:09.000 They have the greatest access to the best version of it.

00:04:12.000 And successive revolutions, all of which have been framed I'm not talking political, I'm talking global revolutions that have been framed as beneficial to humankind have ultimately led to this creation of a false imperialist system.

00:04:26.000 And I think that once we achieve, or they achieve, a global imperialist state, and I believe that that's their intention, that it will I mean, God is great and we fight from victory, and I accept these principles.

00:04:39.000 I'm not querying them.

00:04:40.000 But It seems to me that we're at a pivotal moment.

00:04:43.000 I'm fond of saying that the agricultural revolution, which promised to provide for food needs, was man's mastery over nature and led to, in the end, to a kind of a deleterious impact on the type of nutrition the average person gained access to.

00:04:58.000 I know people would dispute that because they'd say, but you know, the serf class in that country had potato, and the serf class in that country had rice, and the serf class in that country had pasta so that they could continue to work for the omniscient, omnipotent, counterfeit, fallen.

00:05:13.000 God.

00:05:14.000 The Industrial Revolution grants mankind control over matter.

00:05:17.000 Yet another deity like attribute is granted to this fallen mindset.

00:05:23.000 And now I think we're on the precipice in this technological revolution of command over attention itself.

00:05:28.000 And attention is one facet of consciousness.

00:05:31.000 And that might be, by my reckoning, the prima materia of our relationship with the vine.

00:05:37.000 The very clay that gets molded, I consider, and have had some personal insight into.

00:05:43.000 Consciousness as being an interface experienced through the nervous system with the source, with the creator God, with the Father, necessarily mediated by the Son and experienced as the Holy Spirit in us, we as co heirs.

00:05:59.000 So, as you've worked around it, I previous to becoming Christian, my purview was a kind of anti establishment socialist informed perspective, but I always believed in God.

00:06:11.000 I'm British.

00:06:12.000 I didn't believe in state socialism.

00:06:14.000 I believed in, as they say, British socialism.

00:06:17.000 Owes as much to Methodism as to Marx.

00:06:20.000 That's the thing people are fond of saying.

00:06:23.000 Meaning that that aspect of socialism that is, hey, but we're all brothers, you know, like that comes from in Britain.

00:06:31.000 You can feel it.

00:06:31.000 So, more like a John Ruskin socialism?

00:06:34.000 Is that similar to what you're talking about?

00:06:37.000 Yeah, that's certainly an aspect.

00:06:39.000 I'm not by any means an expert in John Ruskin, but I know that the socialism advocated for by Ruskin owes something to John Wesley.

00:06:51.000 And Don't deny the idea of our divinity.

00:06:54.000 And the reason, the very essence of why human life is sacred is because we have a spirit and we have a soul.

00:07:01.000 They're not units, they're not commodities.

00:07:04.000 So, the reason I want to talk to you is because when I was approaching things from a different purview at different points in my relationship with the culture, which I consider to be fundamentally and essentially evil, not just when it comes to education, not just when it comes to finance, not just when it comes to military industrial government and military industrial complex, no.

00:07:24.000 Fundamentally and essentially evil.

00:07:26.000 What I mean by that is if you were to extract its essence, it would cease to exist.

00:07:32.000 That's how I define the essence of something.

00:07:35.000 And I would say the culture is essentially evil.

00:07:38.000 Not to say that the culture doesn't produce as an inadvertent byproduct of its attempts to achieve counterfeit totalitarian control, total dependency, like the dependency we should offer to our Lord, that it doesn't, as an inadvertent byproduct, occasionally create a good movie.

00:07:55.000 Or a nice treatise or a beautiful work of art.

00:07:58.000 Of course it does, or a nice chocolate bar or something.

00:08:01.000 But I'm saying its function is total control and to create total dependency.

00:08:06.000 Now, since discovering and having this illuminated, I'm thinking about what does it require?

00:08:13.000 What does he want?

00:08:14.000 If the whole of creation is groaning as if in labor, waiting for God's children to be revealed, to be born, to become activated, that means we're not here just, oh, well, it's all by grace.

00:08:28.000 We're here to do something.

00:08:29.000 Also, there must be a telos.

00:08:31.000 We're not here for nothing.

00:08:33.000 We're here for something.

00:08:34.000 Now, I know we mustn't make the error, and certainly I can't make this error again, of thinking that I am the summit, culmination, and point of my own reality.

00:08:43.000 I was a creature of the kingdom.

00:08:45.000 That's why I did well in the culture.

00:08:46.000 In fact, anyone that does well in the culture has just been, for a minute, you suit one of the culture's goals.

00:08:52.000 Whether you're Malcolm Gladwell or Yuval Noah Harari or whatever, you might be a brilliant intellectual, but the reason that the culture, the system, the empire will highlight you is you, for a moment, have become useful to their goals. 0.70

00:09:06.000 And if you wake up in the pod, And start going, wait a minute, this whole thing's disgusting and corrupt.

00:09:11.000 It's got a million ways to destroy you by sunrise.

00:09:15.000 So, where I am now is I'm looking at things like education.

00:09:20.000 I'm very interested, for example, interested in Steiner and Montessori.

00:09:25.000 And I'm interested in how one might, because I'm a father of free kids, how I, like sometimes I'm, just today, me and my wife, Andrew, were discussing.

00:09:39.000 I was like, actually, now they're seven and nine, and now I don't think it's cute, this kind of, even in the somewhat cosseted and somewhat particular environments that we're able to grant them by your grace, Lord.

00:09:52.000 There, I still see the culture coming in. 0.94

00:09:55.000 I still see them emulating kind of laconic, dumb values. 0.95

00:10:01.000 I still see how Netflix creeps in and YouTube creeps in. 0.95

00:10:06.000 Like, unless you are a techno Puritan, it's very difficult.

00:10:11.000 To ensure that the information your children are given access to is benign, beneficial, nutritious.

00:10:20.000 What it will default to is toxicity, corruption, hypocrisy, individualism, materialism, post enlightenment values that initially seem so beautiful and radiant, but ultimately that light is a false and Luciferian light based on, you know, being able to measure something is not the same as being able to create something.

00:10:43.000 That's a fact.

00:10:46.000 And to nourish too.

00:10:49.000 When I think of education, one of my great concerns in education is the way we assess.

00:10:58.000 Because what we're always doing, it seems to me, when we're assessing is measuring.

00:11:02.000 Like this.

00:11:04.000 So the measuring doesn't, okay, you can't create.

00:11:09.000 It's not the same as creating.

00:11:11.000 It also can interfere with the generation and the nourishing.

00:11:15.000 And it's a little bit to me like when you pull off a plant to see if it's healthy.

00:11:19.000 Well, it's not going to grow anymore.

00:11:21.000 And so much of the standardized testing, but also the day to day testing, is a distraction for students.

00:11:29.000 And so I want to ask you a question about education, if I may.

00:11:34.000 If you were to evaluate, I can ask this about the United States.

00:11:37.000 So I want to know if it's the same in Britain.

00:11:39.000 But if you were to evaluate education and say, what is the one thing that it teaches everybody effectively?

00:11:46.000 And by everybody, I mean, The children, the teachers, the parents, college admissions officers, government agencies, it teaches everybody very effectively.

00:11:57.000 What would you say is the one thing it teaches?

00:11:59.000 Conformity.

00:12:00.000 This is one of the rare occasions when I actually have an answer in my head.

00:12:04.000 Conformity.

00:12:05.000 Conformity.

00:12:07.000 I hear that a lot, but there's a bunch of aspects of it that are trying to get non conformity, right?

00:12:16.000 So most people learn conformity, but it fails with a lot of people.

00:12:22.000 And I think there's one thing it fails almost not at all.

00:12:26.000 I think there's one thing it teaches with almost maybe even total complete success.

00:12:32.000 That your value, all right, how about this?

00:12:35.000 Your ultimate value is your ability to participate in an economic system.

00:12:41.000 Well, that's good too, but some people don't learn that.

00:12:45.000 Okay, then, yeah, then go on, then you tell me, you tell me.

00:12:49.000 I think it's anxiety, fear.

00:12:53.000 Everybody learns to be anxious through our education system, through our approach to education.

00:12:59.000 I don't even want to say through our system, I want to say through our approach to education.

00:13:04.000 When you go through school and you graduate from it, you're anxious.

00:13:07.000 When you're looking for where to put your children, you're anxious.

00:13:10.000 When you're teaching children and you're going to get assessed for your teaching, you're anxious.

00:13:15.000 When you're wondering what's going to come of these children, you're anxious.

00:13:19.000 The college admissions officers are anxious.

00:13:21.000 Everybody learns anxiety.

00:13:23.000 And I think that's an astonishing achievement and to be thought about.

00:13:28.000 It's interesting.

00:13:29.000 I mean, breaking down my two answers, not that I'm a person who just refuses to be wrong ever and will argue to the end of time that I was right about something.

00:13:39.000 I don't disagree with you.

00:13:41.000 I just don't think they've totally succeeded at those.

00:13:44.000 But maybe they've not totally succeeded in fear either.

00:13:47.000 But both conformity and your value can be traced to your ability to participate in an economic system, are both fear based ideas.

00:13:56.000 Conformity is a fear response, and trying to locate a value within an economic system is both a driver of fear and begins in fear.

00:14:08.000 And so I would agree that.

00:14:11.000 The system itself is an inculcation device for fear.

00:14:16.000 That people that are able to transcend or withstand fear states are that's a candidate for dangerous rebellion.

00:14:25.000 Would you equate fear with anxiety?

00:14:28.000 I think it's the same word in three syllables.

00:14:32.000 Except maybe it's diffuse.

00:14:33.000 One could say that it's been inwardly institutionalized, it's been embodied.

00:14:39.000 Maybe you could make that distinction between anxiety and fear.

00:14:43.000 If we were able to look at it molecularly or essentially, you can't have anxiety voided of fear.

00:14:50.000 I think the word anxiety and maybe the sensation of anxiety are the institution and normalization of fear.

00:14:59.000 Interesting.

00:15:00.000 Normalization, yeah.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, I do think maybe I have a superficial understanding.

00:15:06.000 I tend to think of fear as something when you see something that you're afraid of and you know it, it's more conscious.

00:15:13.000 But anxiety is always there.

00:15:15.000 It's institutionalized, as you put it, but institutionalized in the person.

00:15:19.000 It's just sitting there.

00:15:20.000 You could be anxious for 40 years and never know it.

00:15:24.000 That's right.

00:15:24.000 Yes, I completely agree with that.

00:15:26.000 But I do etymologically like to interrogate even regular and mundial words to ensure that they are not masking a deeper meaning.

00:15:39.000 For example, I would perform the same trick with embarrassment and shame that embarrassment.

00:15:46.000 Is shame.

00:15:47.000 Now it might be a normalized expression of it, but it's from you remove it.

00:15:53.000 Like someone that cannot experience fear will not experience anxiety.

00:15:57.000 Someone that cannot experience shame will not experience embarrassment.

00:16:01.000 And that's how I would sort of try to detect it.

00:16:05.000 But you're quite right that a state of anxiety is precisely what most of us live in.

00:16:12.000 And I think we vacillate, perhaps, between anxiety and indulgence and inappropriate, but largely unsuccessful methods to medicate, mediate, and negotiate with that fear.

00:16:25.000 Yes.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, because we don't think well when we're anxious, do we?

00:16:30.000 No, isn't that ironic?

00:16:31.000 I'm sorry.

00:16:34.000 Go on.

00:16:35.000 You continue, Andrew.

00:16:35.000 Sorry.

00:16:36.000 Like, how is it ironic?

00:16:39.000 Well, because we're going to school where we're supposed to learn to think, right?

00:16:43.000 But the thing that we're absorbing is the thing that undercuts our thinking.

00:16:47.000 I hated it.

00:16:48.000 I hated it.

00:16:49.000 I hated school like it was my religion.

00:16:52.000 I was like, from the first time I ever went, I don't want to go there.

00:16:56.000 Don't make me do that.

00:16:57.000 This is not for me.

00:16:58.000 And obviously, It's one of the ways that the state demonstrates its power over the family and over the individual.

00:17:05.000 You have got to go.

00:17:07.000 You are going.

00:17:08.000 I even ended up actually in a boarding school for a year.

00:17:12.000 I mean, it was, I can't tell you.

00:17:14.000 And the reason is, and this is the reason for many things in my life, by God's grace, I'm able to often detect the truth of a situation.

00:17:25.000 And it bothers me.

00:17:26.000 It bothers me when something is telling you that it's doing.

00:17:30.000 A when in fact it's doing Z, and what the education system was like.

00:17:34.000 My experience of the education system was if you encountered a teacher that was actively participating in the transfer of knowledge, my word, you know, pin them down, you know, because that was so seldom happening.

00:17:49.000 I can remember teachers like, you know, Mr. Hill, who like encouraged me to try acting, or who was it, Mr. Hennebury, who said, Did you just come up with that sentence like that made me think, Oh, wow, you're using language well, or Mr. Seal.

00:18:04.000 Who talked about history in an engaging and encouraging way.

00:18:08.000 And later in my life, as I became more, I suppose, refined and had the good grace and good fortune to go to places where my vocation and the expression of my facility were more at the forefront, i.e., I went to schools for acting and for entertainers.

00:18:25.000 Then I met people that were like amazing, amazing, and they were smaller and privileged and sort of elite institutions in themselves.

00:18:32.000 So, like, that was, you know, a different experience.

00:18:35.000 But when I was just going to a standard school, When I was a boy, what the state provided.

00:18:40.000 The anarchist analysis of these situations for me is spot on.

00:18:45.000 They brought them about in order to mitigate and balance and to a degree legitimise child labour.

00:18:52.000 And they use these schools to instruct children in sitting in rows to recognise that learning is passive and all of the things that Montessori and Steiner, et cetera, and what's the other one, Waldorf, attempted to redress.

00:19:08.000 And now, actually, as a Father, and as a person that's interested in participating in changing the world meaningfully, if it be his will, is I want to know what it should be because I would like my kids to speak Spanish, play a musical instrument, be good at a martial art, and be able to read well you know, I'd like and speak well and basically understand math all things I wish I could do, I suppose.

00:19:30.000 So, I'm no different than most parents there.

00:19:32.000 But what I feel like is that, yeah, what my experience of school as a child and my experience of seeing schools as an adult is.

00:19:42.000 That, even though, as in hospitals, you will find great nurses and great doctors, but the institution of health has been destroyed, the same in schools, you will find good teachers and good individuals.

00:19:52.000 But the institution itself, it isn't what it's telling you it is.

00:19:56.000 It's preparing kids to participate in systems where they will comply.

00:20:03.000 And you're right that fear is a necessary ingredient because if people are fearless, it's very difficult to control fearless people.

00:20:10.000 But I would say that.

00:20:13.000 What I've always paid attention to is how it takes on board the culture's latest edicts and decrees.

00:20:19.000 Like, now we're teaching you all this.

00:20:21.000 This is what's true now.

00:20:23.000 You know, like, that's the stuff that's always made me somewhat aghast.

00:20:26.000 But, well, go on.

00:20:27.000 You're the guest, though.

00:20:28.000 I mean, I'll talk a lot.

00:20:29.000 I'm a talker.

00:20:30.000 But I want to learn about how you feel we should be, you know, me as a father and our wider audience, what should we be prioritizing when educating our children?

00:20:41.000 More than anything else, attentiveness.

00:20:45.000 You said earlier, you talked about attention and perception, and I think consciousness.

00:20:50.000 Everything about you depends on what you pay attention to and how well you can do it.

00:20:55.000 In the Middle Ages, they had a kind of a motto.

00:20:57.000 They said, You become what you behold.

00:21:00.000 And in the book of Corinthians, Paul says that we are transformed from glory to glory, right?

00:21:07.000 We become more and more like Christ.

00:21:09.000 And how do we do that?

00:21:10.000 By gazing on him.

00:21:12.000 In other words, we gave our attention to him.

00:21:15.000 It's by gazing on his beauty, by gazing on his glory, that we become like him.

00:21:21.000 It's not discipline.

00:21:22.000 It's not self-discipline.

00:21:24.000 It's not learning lessons.

00:21:25.000 It's not listening to lectures.

00:21:27.000 It's by gazing on his glory.

00:21:29.000 And in a similar way, whatever you're gazing at, you're going to become like.

00:21:34.000 And gazing is another word for attention.

00:21:36.000 Everything turns on attention.

00:21:39.000 And so if you can undercut the child's capacity to attend by virtue of his own will, Then you have done harm to that person's soul, and you've taken more control over what he's going to become like.

00:21:56.000 I love that you brought in Waldorf and Montessori.

00:22:01.000 Another person I think you'd love reading is Charlotte Mason.

00:22:05.000 She was a British educator.

00:22:08.000 I think she died around 1920, maybe a little bit after that.

00:22:13.000 But she wrote a book.

00:22:14.000 I would just get volume six, her philosophy of education.

00:22:19.000 But her first principle is children are.

00:22:21.000 Born persons.

00:22:23.000 Okay.

00:22:24.000 So they're persons and you cannot violate their personhood.

00:22:26.000 They're sacred.

00:22:27.000 And then the second thing, not the second thing in her list, but the next thing that's most important is what you have to work with in a child is their attentiveness.

00:22:37.000 What you're always trying to cultivate is their attention.

00:22:40.000 And the magnificent thing about attention is it's actually easier to cultivate than we think.

00:22:48.000 You have to protect it.

00:22:50.000 You have to teach a child, you have to take away.

00:22:54.000 The vast quantity of distractions because children are like adults, they're easily distracted.

00:23:00.000 But then, in terms of disciplining the attention, if you give them things that they're interested in, and if you are asking them to ask their own questions, put it this way the chances of you being interested in a question that I'm asking you, I like to think there's some interest potential there.

00:23:20.000 But the chance that you're interested in a question that you yourself are asking, No comparison.

00:23:26.000 If you're asking the question, you are interested.

00:23:29.000 If I'm asking the question, if I align with your interests, you'll be interested.

00:23:34.000 And so, what we need to teach children how to do is ask their own questions.

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00:25:22.000 Right.

00:25:22.000 And so one way to do that, that Charlotte Mason talks about, is you read a story to a child and you don't ask them questions about it.

00:25:30.000 You just say, Tell it back to me.

00:25:35.000 And then you listen.

00:25:36.000 And you don't even ask questions to draw it out.

00:25:39.000 You just let them tell it back to you.

00:25:41.000 She called that narration, which is a good thing.

00:25:44.000 Another way to teach kids how to pay attention is to teach handwriting.

00:25:48.000 Right.

00:25:48.000 There's a reason why we don't teach cursive handwriting anymore.

00:25:52.000 You have to pay attention when you're handwriting.

00:25:54.000 And if you're trying to make it beautiful, you have to pay even more attention.

00:25:58.000 And I regard using an instrument as the key to any art, right?

00:26:02.000 And so one of the things you'll notice even on, well, you'll notice on TV and anywhere now is when children are holding their pencils in a school, they're not doing it correctly.

00:26:11.000 And I mean correctly when I say correctly.

00:26:14.000 I'm using the word on purpose.

00:26:15.000 There is a way to use an instrument.

00:26:18.000 A pencil is an instrument.

00:26:20.000 There's a way to do it.

00:26:22.000 I can't see exactly, but you're pretty close.

00:26:24.000 You're close enough that you could write well that way.

00:26:28.000 And so you hold it.

00:26:30.000 Yeah, I actually have a disadvantage, which I won't show.

00:26:33.000 I'll left hand it.

00:26:34.000 Yeah, you want it resting on the middle fingernail.

00:26:37.000 And then you only want to be moving the wrist for the most part.

00:26:42.000 And so what you're doing here, notice, even right now, notice, you are trying to do it physically.

00:26:49.000 And that's because you're interested.

00:26:51.000 That's because you have questions and you're acting on them.

00:26:54.000 You're illustrating, you're giving a perfect illustration of the point.

00:26:57.000 And so for whatever reason, you're interested in the creativity of it, the artistic, and your children.

00:27:04.000 You're interested in what you should demand of your children for their sake.

00:27:09.000 And this is what people don't understand.

00:27:12.000 If you're going to learn an instrument and you don't hold it correctly, you are limiting yourself.

00:27:18.000 If you're going to play basketball or run or play for West Ham in football, if you don't use the instrument correctly, the ball, the feet, the hands, the head, you're not going to get good.

00:27:31.000 And great athletes, man, the one thing they can do, they can pay attention so closely that they're beyond, they reach what Mason describes it as a higher level of attention.

00:27:42.000 It's a subconscious attention.

00:27:44.000 You know, you can kick the ball while you're seeing 11 people moving around you.

00:27:49.000 And, you know, Wayne Gretzky in hockey, the guy who plays for the German soccer team, the football team, what's his name?

00:27:58.000 Harry Kane.

00:27:59.000 Harry Kane, yeah.

00:28:01.000 You can just tell that he's seeing stuff that nobody else can see.

00:28:05.000 And that's because when he was younger, he disciplined his attention so much that he doesn't have to think about that anymore.

00:28:13.000 It's just part of who he is.

00:28:15.000 Amazing.

00:28:15.000 Right?

00:28:16.000 Do you know there's a beautiful example of this?

00:28:18.000 Mike Tyson was on some kind of, you know, just entertainment show, and they had a bit where they blindfolded him, as they did many of their guests, I think, and got him to throw darts at a dartboard.

00:28:33.000 Mike Tyson got two and maybe even three.

00:28:37.000 Successive bullseyes.

00:28:39.000 He looked at it.

00:28:40.000 They put the blindfold on him.

00:28:42.000 He didn't need the eyes.

00:28:45.000 He was able, in one look, to make the assessment of what that translated into in bodily movement.

00:28:52.000 I took that as an indication of great genius.

00:28:57.000 Yeah, it is genius.

00:28:58.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:29:00.000 But genius results partly from talent, of course, but it also results from when you're very young, you internalize habits.

00:29:12.000 So well that when you get older, you can't even teach other people how to do it most of the time because you don't remember learning it.

00:29:20.000 But it starts with your teacher makes you hold your pencil correctly, right?

00:29:25.000 It starts with you hold the drumstick correctly.

00:29:28.000 It starts with whatever it is you're using, you give it extra attention, you give it too much attention.

00:29:35.000 Think of reading, okay?

00:29:37.000 I'm gonna be famous never for one thing, which is they'll call it the Kearneyian theory of reading, which they won't actually do.

00:29:44.000 But it's this that I believe there's three levels to reading.

00:29:47.000 There's what I call dependent reading, then there's non-reading reading or pre-reading, middle, I don't know what to call the middle part.

00:29:54.000 That's why I won't get famous.

00:29:56.000 And then the third part is independent reading.

00:29:59.000 And the stages are that when it's dependent reading, well, let me back up and say, when somebody is learning how to read, what you have to pay attention to is not their eyes, but their mind.

00:30:09.000 Okay.

00:30:10.000 So when you're reading to a three or four-year-old, they are reading.

00:30:14.000 Their mind is reading the book.

00:30:16.000 Okay, but they're taking it in through the ear, so it's dependent reading.

00:30:20.000 The mental process is way advanced over what they can do in their own conversations.

00:30:27.000 Longer sentences.

00:30:28.000 That's why one of the most foolish things in education is the reduction of the sentences for little kids.

00:30:35.000 My daughter, Katarina, memorized Shakespeare, what words were, when she was three or four years old, because she wanted to, right?

00:30:42.000 And they can.

00:30:45.000 They don't understand Shakespeare, everybody says.

00:30:47.000 Well, neither do I. Who cares?

00:30:48.000 It's beautiful.

00:30:49.000 Right.

00:30:49.000 So memorize it because it's beautiful, or read it because it's beautiful, or read it to them because it's beautiful.

00:30:54.000 So that's the dependent stage, you're absorbing it in your mind, but through the ear.

00:30:59.000 Then there's this other thing that's very, very different mentally, and that is learning how to decode.

00:31:07.000 You're looking at these weird pictures right, they're shaped like this and like this, and they're we call them letters, of course.

00:31:14.000 But what we have to do now and notice something crucial here, humans made letters, not god, Humans did.

00:31:20.000 God gave us the ability, and they are one of the greatest things we ever made.

00:31:25.000 But we don't make things as well as He does.

00:31:28.000 So, when he makes something, all you have to do is look at it and experience it.

00:31:32.000 And if you're paying attention, you'll enjoy it most of the time.

00:31:35.000 But when we make something, it seems like you always have to go through a process of internalizing the convention.

00:31:43.000 You have to give it its meaning and find its meaning and so on.

00:31:46.000 And that's what we have to do with letters.

00:31:48.000 We have to just force ourselves to accept that those things have this meaning.

00:31:54.000 And we're going to, okay, I admit that that can make that sound.

00:31:59.000 Right.

00:32:00.000 And then very gradually over the course of a couple of years, children will, and sometimes suddenly, they'll put together the sounds to make the words, but they cannot do that at as high a level as they can when you're reading to them.

00:32:15.000 And so when you're teaching your children phonics or whatever decoding system you're using, you've got to make sure you keep reading to them from stuff way above their reading level because otherwise their attentiveness goes on hiatus.

00:32:29.000 Do you see?

00:32:30.000 And if their attentiveness goes on hiatus, It's not that easy to just easily recapture.

00:32:35.000 It's not easy to recapture it.

00:32:37.000 So then the third stage is independent reading.

00:32:41.000 And that's where they can start using their own eyes.

00:32:43.000 But now they're not decoding words.

00:32:45.000 And this is why I thought of it is because now notice this.

00:32:49.000 If you're reading and you have to pay attention to the letters, you're reading badly.

00:32:54.000 Or you're reading something in a really advanced way where you're not sure how it works.

00:33:00.000 But you're having to think not about the meaning, but about the act of reading.

00:33:05.000 And almost everybody can get to the point where they've internalized that so much that they forget about it.

00:33:12.000 People who can't even spell can read just fine because they can follow an idea because it's so internalized.

00:33:19.000 I think that's a human genius, that's it.

00:33:22.000 That's like the Mike Tyson thing.

00:33:25.000 He could see that thing, he could see that dartboard and make all the physical motions because he had drilled himself, as it were, with the phonics of dartboards, but the phonics of how his body moves.

00:33:38.000 This is a man who had. unfathomable control over how his body worked, right?

00:33:44.000 And so he was a genius in how he used it.

00:33:47.000 But that was the result of, yes, talent, yes, God's gifts, but also years and years and years of rigorous discipline.

00:33:56.000 And you cannot attain greatness in anything without that years and years of rigorous discipline.

00:34:03.000 Even if you bury it in promiscuous fun, you still have to be disciplined while you do it.

00:34:10.000 Yes.

00:34:10.000 Attentiveness underlies and flows through it all.

00:34:13.000 So, attentiveness, you have to then, like, with it.

00:34:16.000 So, then just looking at two models of learning, the one that currently I use with mostly my wife, actually, who I bet knows Charlotte Mason.

00:34:26.000 I think, in fact, I recall her showing me a tome of that educator.

00:34:33.000 Whether it's you're educating your own kids or smaller groups, or if you're moving into, you know, even as soon as I say the word institutional, I know that's pejorative, I know that it has a different objective.

00:34:44.000 I know that what, you know, our Lord institutes, but institution, once it collapses into a noun, it's dead.

00:34:52.000 It has to remain in the vibrant living water.

00:34:54.000 It has to remain alive.

00:34:56.000 It must not be put in a cistern.

00:34:58.000 You mustn't put your light under a bushel.

00:35:00.000 You mustn't foreclose it.

00:35:01.000 That is Lucifer's sin to think that it can be collapsed into the individual.

00:35:05.000 You're worshipping the wrong God.

00:35:07.000 When you said that earlier on about gazing upon Christ, what do you mean by that?

00:35:14.000 When it's like I'm teaching my kids to read, you know, like we're not going to be like, and what do you mean by Christ?

00:35:21.000 I mean, of course, Christ means the incarnation of God, the incarnation and the life lived by Jesus Christ, the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ, the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.

00:35:36.000 But imagining a man's face would be, I would say, the equivalent at staring at the hieroglyph A and expecting to understand the first bite of an apple.

00:35:49.000 So, how do you make this intersensory? 0.52

00:35:52.000 How do you make this intersensory?

00:35:55.000 Collapse?

00:35:55.000 How do you create this kind of harmony?

00:35:59.000 How do you show a child that you are gazing on Christ when, for example, experiencing nature or experiencing literature or experiencing math or music?

00:36:10.000 Thank you so much.

00:36:13.000 That is one of the best questions anybody's ever asked me.

00:36:19.000 Hey, remember me and my wife Laura every weekend make this podcast.

00:36:23.000 You can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts or you can enjoy it here on Rumble.

00:36:27.000 It's difficult to explain, but Here is a section to give you an idea of what we talk about.

00:36:41.000 This particular book is about the chapters six to eight in the book of Romans and is an extemporization or at least extrapolation on Norman Grubbs.

00:36:54.000 And I struggle with the name, I wish he was called something like Rene Dubois or something like where his name seemed fancy, but he's called Norman Grubb.

00:37:02.000 And in his book, No Independent Self, he declares that we human beings have no human independent nature.

00:37:08.000 We are expressors of a divine nature.

00:37:10.000 So this becomes relevant when we're talking about leave your ego at the door because he says Norman Grubb does.

00:37:15.000 And this is similar to theosis, which is the idea of becoming in tune and alignment and an expression of God, which is an idea, as you can tell, I'm sure, from the word that is prevalent within Greek orthodoxy.

00:37:30.000 So, what I wanted to talk about here is that if we are here to express either the nature of God or the nature of the fallen one, this phenomena, which in psychiatric or psychological nomenclature we would call the ego, Is in fact and in effect the fallen self.

00:37:51.000 That either you are in God or you are in sin through self via self.

00:37:59.000 As St. John of the Cross says, there is no neutrality.

00:38:03.000 There is no neutrality.

00:38:05.000 Either you're in God or you are moving towards sin.

00:38:08.000 So, sort of in your prayer or in anyone's prayer, if you don't, as you sort of naturally and organically described, undertake the process of ensuring that you're in a state of flowing relational love.

00:38:20.000 Then the chances are that through nervousness or for whatever reason, one might be just only thinking, how does this affect me?

00:38:27.000 How does this affect me?

00:38:28.000 Which, you know, obviously, as an addict and as a person that's lived most of my life now as an entertainer, self centeredness, and I live in the world, and the world is geared towards making you self centered because then you are manageable.

00:38:40.000 Indeed, it is the condition of this world, it is the strategy of the world, it is the point of worldliness.

00:38:45.000 Scripturally, one might look at John's first epistle here, in particular, when he says, The whole world is under the control of the evil one.

00:38:55.000 The whole world is under the control of the evil one.

00:38:59.000 This is on my mind because last night I did a show, and in that show I used that quote because I feel sometimes, Laura, that, and let me know, please let us know, that sometimes I, when I became Christian, I was astonished, astounded, and euphoric to discover that the articulation of thoughts that I had felt in a diffuse and vague way for a long time.

00:39:25.000 Why?

00:39:26.000 Is the world so evil?

00:39:29.000 I need God to be more real, more intimate, more present with me.

00:39:34.000 These two fundamental problems are addressed in scripture.

00:39:39.000 One, the world is evil because it has fallen and it's being controlled by evil.

00:39:44.000 Two, God is within you and available to you now intimately.

00:39:49.000 Now, here, this is what I want to draw your attention to, my darling one.

00:39:55.000 And the way it relates to rest, I reckon, is in this state of rest.

00:40:00.000 One can receive him.

00:40:02.000 If you are engaged continually in outward activity, you are in no state to receive the service, the power, the intention, and resources of our Lord.

00:40:15.000 He says here, Noah Grubb does, so all self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.

00:40:24.000 This reminds me of a famous part of the Alcoholics Anonymous big book where it talks about in our efforts to be in control of what it describes in that.

00:40:32.000 Allegory as or analogy as the show.

00:40:35.000 An alcoholic might be kind and loving and generous, or they might be cruel.

00:40:40.000 And then it goes on to say, but as with most human beings, they're likely to have a variety of traits.

00:40:44.000 It makes the point that whether someone outwardly presents as kind and pleasant or irritating and obnoxious, what's really important is what they're trying to achieve.

00:40:55.000 And if what someone's trying to achieve is control, then they are, according here to our friend Norman Grubb, all self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.

00:41:06.000 He goes on to say that Paul, in chapter seven specifically of Romans, Attempts to start using I statements as if he himself, Saint Paul, the great Saint Paul, writer of much of the New Testament, who we meet in Acts of the Apostles, the only apostle that encounters Christ, the posthumous risen Christ.

00:41:28.000 Posthumous, yeah, after human, posthumous risen Christ.

00:41:32.000 Paul said in chapter seven of Romans, Paul starts to use I statements like what I want to do, I can't do, what I don't want to do, I do do.

00:41:40.000 He once again demonstrates this inability.

00:41:43.000 Even though he knows Christ is real, to act in accordance with law.

00:41:48.000 But in this analysis, our man says Paul's using that as a device.

00:41:53.000 He, in his present state at the time of writing Romans, is fully in God.

00:41:57.000 He is fully in God, fully in Christ.

00:41:59.000 But in order to, as all teachers and apostles and leaders must, bring us over, he says, I too know what it's like to be lost in self and to not be able to change, to want to stop drinking, but I can't stop drinking, to want to stop watching porn, but I can't stop watching porn, to want to not shout at my kids, but I can't stop shouting at my kids.

00:42:17.000 To want to not do a job that I hate, but the list is infinite.

00:42:22.000 The shame and humiliation of Paul's defeat was just the necessary negative God used to make him desperate enough to find the answer.

00:42:31.000 And thus, that final usefulness of the law in exposing the lie of self effort.

00:42:37.000 Nothing can be achieved by self effort, only by God.

00:42:40.000 We must open ourselves up to God.

00:42:43.000 We must open ourselves up to God.

00:42:45.000 It is God that changes us.

00:42:47.000 And then it says, Here, a desperate discovery, which anyone who's gotten sober or changed a destructive habit, whether that's in relationships or in relation to substance, will recognize the gift of desperation.

00:42:59.000 Some use it as an acronym for God, but you know, obviously, for me, when I say God, I mean God.

00:43:04.000 Have not I, like Paul, vainly thought there should be some way in which I could combat and overcome this evil bias in myself?

00:43:15.000 Does not the whole world operate by doing its own stuff?

00:43:20.000 Isn't I must, I can, or I will, or I'm going to, the sole absorbing incentive of human living?

00:43:29.000 Yes, it is.

00:43:31.000 That is humanity's vast lost blindness.

00:43:34.000 Even though sin is not imputed when law hasn't yet confronted us, Romans 5 13 to 14, all of us in this fallen world, with no exceptions, really live by that Satan lie with which we were inoculated.

00:43:49.000 What a brilliant.

00:43:51.000 Term to use in this post pandemic period where we recognize the power of inoculation and the idea that something external, foreign, and alien can be inserted into us to control us, even when the deceiver tells us it's to help us.

00:44:09.000 Inoculated at the fall, that self by self in its apparent independence can run its own life.

00:44:15.000 That is the lie.

00:44:16.000 That bit there, go back.

00:44:19.000 Sorry, just look.

00:44:20.000 This bit here, sorry.

00:44:23.000 Does not the whole world operate by doing its own stuff?

00:44:26.000 Isn't I must, I can, I will, or I'm going to the soul absorbing incentive of human living?

00:44:30.000 That specifically, I must, I can, I will.

00:44:33.000 That actually does relate to the idea of rest because it's very active work.

00:44:38.000 They're very active words.

00:44:40.000 They're not surrender words.

00:44:41.000 Yes.

00:44:42.000 So, do you think that, and I'm not trying to immediately take it on to rest.

00:44:45.000 We can talk about this for as long as you want in terms of this, but it just, that does to me relate to that idea that, like, is it in a way is restfulness and a type of surrendering.

00:44:57.000 Yes, it is, isn't it?

00:44:58.000 To the moment or to whatever.

00:44:59.000 Well, given that what we've been talking about is our reluctance, our mutual reluctance to rest, we've got big things coming up.

00:45:05.000 I'm on trial in October.

00:45:07.000 You're a person who's actually a very active woman and you don't really. 1.00

00:45:12.000 I don't ever really see you rest. 1.00

00:45:15.000 I don't find rest easy.

00:45:16.000 What are you spotting behind me?

00:45:17.000 Well, this.

00:45:18.000 Oh, and it makes me think of dear Lucy.

00:45:21.000 Lucy, my friend who was a drug addict who died.

00:45:24.000 When she was alive, if ever she saw white feathers, she would present them.

00:45:27.000 If anyone knows Terry, her father who's watching this, send him this moment.

00:45:32.000 Yeah.

00:45:32.000 Because he, Terry, her grieving father, he will be moved by this.

00:45:40.000 And in this moment, oh, yeah, it makes me think of Lucy and Pops.

00:45:45.000 Jake's father in law, Ali's father, Michael Emmett, Ross, God rest his eternal soul, and some of those that have passed since I've been in Christ.

00:45:58.000 The point is that in rest is a state of receipt.

00:46:01.000 And you, like, you are a very, even though you, I would say, are very selfless, kind, always working, always endeavoring, very natural, giving, creative woman.

00:46:10.000 You do find it hard to.

00:46:12.000 You're a bit moved, are you?

00:46:14.000 Yeah.

00:46:16.000 I was moved by the.

00:46:18.000 By the, frankly, the deaths of the last year and a half, two years, it's been a lot.

00:46:26.000 So it just, it brought up a feeling, but it also made me feel connected to, like, when you see something like the feather landing, not to be too kind of over the top about it, but it is nice, isn't it?

00:46:38.000 When you have a sort of a moment where you feel the message is coming.

00:46:43.000 One doesn't want to yield to superstition.

00:46:45.000 That's what I mean, yeah.

00:46:46.000 Or to resorting to signs, but we are in continual communion with the Lord because, in this way, when it says, There is no independent human self.

00:46:54.000 We're saying that you are in continual communion in harmony with him when you understand the melody of his truth, of the true word, of his logos, his vibration.

00:47:05.000 So, yeah, the thing with the.

00:47:07.000 Before, unless you're to follow this thread, if I may, I'm not trying to interrupt you.

00:47:12.000 I'm not trying to interrupt you, but this happened.

00:47:14.000 I know.

00:47:15.000 And what was very interesting is one of the things anecdotally that I was going to talk about today was Sean Stone, the filmmaker.

00:47:25.000 Who happens also to be Oliver Stone's son came and some of the content we were making was about that he'd done this.

00:47:32.000 He's a very spiritual man, actually, Sean.

00:47:34.000 And he was making, he made this documentary where he went into abandoned mental hospitals like the Greystone Institute in New Jersey while scouting locations for a film 20 years ago and encountered specters and poltergeists and stuff like that.

00:47:48.000 And in his documentary film, there are moments where you hear these noises.

00:47:52.000 And I, like, in the film, like, stopped and was like, This is on your podcast.

00:47:56.000 Podcast on my podcast, yeah, yeah, it's available.

00:47:58.000 Maybe put a link to it.

00:47:59.000 And you're with Sean live, oh, yeah, we're doing a watch along.

00:48:02.000 Thank you, gosh, so much exposition you're doing, yeah, because thank you, yeah, I've done no exposition, no, none.

00:48:09.000 So, you're with Sean, and it was last week, and you're doing a watch along with him about his own documentary which we're watching, made about okay, and all that stuff.

00:48:17.000 Okay, carry on.

00:48:18.000 And I, even though I'm a believer, I'm like, man, this is real hard for me because I believe in God and angels and demons and supernatural entities and all of this, but.

00:48:30.000 When actually someone shows me something, I don't know, get out of it.

00:48:36.000 And I sort of stopped there because I feel like I don't want to be duped, mate.

00:48:40.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 I feel like I don't want to go, whoa, ghosts are there.

00:48:42.000 You know, and I feel like sometimes when someone's doing, if someone stops you to do close up magic, I always go, oh no, I hate being told jokes and I hate people showing me magic.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:52.000 If someone's telling me a joke, I'm like, oh God, this isn't going to be funny.

00:48:54.000 I know it's not going to be funny.

00:48:56.000 And then I'm going to have to laugh at the bit when I'm supposed to laugh.

00:48:59.000 Or if someone's doing magic.

00:49:00.000 We both have that version.

00:49:01.000 We don't like it.

00:49:02.000 We don't like walk around magician stuff.

00:49:04.000 If you're in an event and a walk around magician goes, can I show you a trick?

00:49:07.000 Firstly, I don't like the smug, smirminess of it.

00:49:09.000 Secondly, I don't like that there's going to be a bit where they go, you know, like sometimes they actually lean into the smugness.

00:49:14.000 Of course they do.

00:49:16.000 I know this is just some thing you learn in your bedroom because you're lonely.

00:49:20.000 Well done.

00:49:21.000 Oh, gosh.

00:49:22.000 Bless magicians.

00:49:23.000 But yeah, I have to say, we obviously, that's something we both feel, and we always comment on it, don't we?

00:49:29.000 But however, that doesn't mean that I exclude the possibility of being open.

00:49:29.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 And this does relate to rest.

00:49:34.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 And please remember what you were going to say just a minute ago.

00:49:38.000 I'm sorry that I interrupted you.

00:49:39.000 No, no.

00:49:40.000 But I just wanted to sort of say that.

00:49:43.000 How do we manage the synergy, synchronicity?

00:49:48.000 Those that have eyes to see, let them see.

00:49:51.000 Those that have ears to hear, let them hear that there are ulterior realities communicating with us continually.

00:49:58.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:49:59.000 It's good to touch on that because it does make, you know, it's funny because sometimes it's like, I'm so glad you mentioned it because it is something and it's like something Lucy would have said.

00:50:10.000 Like, if you ever see a white feather, think of me.

00:50:13.000 So do that, honor that person, you know, like that's what it is.

00:50:16.000 But also, like you, you don't want to go too into it that it becomes, like you said, rightly, superstition.

00:50:28.000 That's the fine line.

00:50:29.000 C.S. Lewis says of demons, there are two mistakes people make with regard to demons.

00:50:35.000 One is to dismiss their existence altogether, and the other is an unhealthy fascination of them.

00:50:42.000 Also, I suppose if it's a thing that's a restorative thing for a person, If it's something that you see something and it fills you with such love and heart for that person, and a reminder of that person, then that is a different thing.

00:50:58.000 That is godly.

00:50:59.000 So, like if it's the reminder of a person you've lost, you've loved and lost, then that isn't so much superstition as it is just filling your heart with the person and the love for the person.

00:51:11.000 And then you can be thankful for them and grateful and stop for a moment.

00:51:14.000 And that stopping that moment, then that goes back to rest again because.

00:51:21.000 Like you were saying before, I do not find rest easy.

00:51:23.000 And in hurrying and doing and constantly kind of being in action, you do miss a lot of stuff, you know?

00:51:30.000 Is it control, really?

00:51:32.000 It's control.

00:51:33.000 And it's also feeling like kind of overwhelmed by the load that if you stop, you'll just get more delayed, you'll get more behind, you'll have more stuff to do.

00:51:45.000 Behind what?

00:51:46.000 So let's, well, exactly behind what?

00:51:49.000 I don't know, that the washing will pile up, that the kids won't eat food because I've not started making.

00:51:53.000 Yeah, actually, I do need all those things.

00:51:55.000 So, for example, you know, actually, one thing that I do, I actually absolutely adore cooking, adore cooking, like, love it.

00:51:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:02.000 But also, you know, the way I like to cook, sometimes it can be quite a slow way.

00:52:06.000 Like, I like to cook in the morning and then have it ready so that we've got a nice meal for the evening.

00:52:10.000 But if it's a busy day and you haven't done it, and it comes to dinner time, it's like, oh, I forgot to cook dinner.

00:52:17.000 Like, if you don't do the stuff, but there is this book called Rest by Alex Pang.

00:52:24.000 I wrote a note.

00:52:25.000 It's not a, It's not a Christian book as such.

00:52:27.000 It's literally a text.

00:52:28.000 No, it's a book.

00:52:28.000 That's very good.

00:52:30.000 False gods.

00:52:32.000 It's a book on rest and it's about tips on rest.

00:52:32.000 False gods.

00:52:35.000 And actually, the thing that occurred to me is that one of the things she says, my friend Lara gave this book to me.

00:52:40.000 And one of the things they say is get the stuff you need to do done early in the morning, right?

00:52:45.000 Get it done early.

00:52:45.000 Wake up early, get the stuff done that you need to do.

00:52:48.000 So if I want to all enjoy a stew at 6 p.m., then you cook the stew in the morning and you let it cook all day.

00:52:54.000 It's slow.

00:52:55.000 That then ties into like slower living, being less hurried, taking your time.

00:53:00.000 And then one of the comments that I wanted to make on that was that what that book, Rest, actually says is if you want rest, you have to take it.

00:53:09.000 You have to resist the lure of busyness, make time for rest, take it seriously, protect it from a world that is intent on stealing it.

00:53:18.000 That is true.

00:53:19.000 I like it, but the challenge I have with secular ideology is that it is by nature predicated on self service, as if the apex is yourself.

00:53:31.000 Whereas in Christ, there are, for example, in the Gospel of Matthew, seek thee first the kingdom of God.

00:53:41.000 So, firstly, Enter into the state of mind where he reigns, where he reigns before you do anything.

00:53:49.000 See, the point you said about your mate Lara and that book.

00:53:51.000 Well, if you, when you wake up, it's like, firstly, God, I want to be with you.

00:53:57.000 And it's a kingdom.

00:53:58.000 That means it's got a king in it.

00:54:01.000 You're not in charge anymore.

00:54:03.000 And then consider this from Philippians 2.

00:54:09.000 Have the same mindset as Christ Jesus, who being in very nature God, Did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage.

00:54:17.000 Rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant.

00:54:21.000 Being made in human likeness and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.

00:54:29.000 That this king says of himself, If you've seen me, you have seen the Father.

00:54:36.000 All he wants is to be an expression of the virtues and attributes, principles of God, wisdom.

00:54:45.000 Love, life, like that, that, to if what would God be if God were man?

00:54:52.000 God becomes man, becomes flesh to show us that it's possible.

00:54:56.000 But just going back to that secular idea, what if, shouldn't we know ourselves to replace any things with the idea that if the person's saying get the things you need to, that you, when you read that as a Christian, you read to be with God first thing in the morning.

00:55:12.000 Because you know later in the day you can't be, or you might not be, it might not be.

00:55:16.000 And so it's not a prescription as such.

00:55:18.000 As it could be utilized as a nudge towards whatever glasses you're wearing to view it.

00:55:25.000 I absolutely agree with what you're saying.

00:55:27.000 I absolutely agree, but I just do not want to miss this crucial point.

00:55:31.000 The insidiousness of the fallen one, the enemy, is that we enter into sin not for a moustache twirling.

00:55:39.000 Some people are literally diabolical and delight in evil, but that is a small percentage of demonic individuals.

00:55:50.000 Most of us enter into sin.

00:55:53.000 Gradually, well, and in ways that are completely acceptable, like that's why it makes the point again and again of it might be, you know, like it said there.

00:56:02.000 Um, that this is the bit that I like.

00:56:04.000 Um, all self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.

00:56:10.000 So, if you haven't got the correct coordinate of I am in service of God, God is real, then there is no neutrality, as St. John of the Cross says.

00:56:20.000 Your tendency in the end, you will end up being selfish.

00:56:32.000 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Andrew Kern.

00:56:34.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:56:35.000 Remember, we'll be back at these times for the next four weeks.

00:56:39.000 It's very important that you join us, but more important even than that is that you please, if you can, stay free.

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