00:00:20.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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00:00:39.000You're going to enjoy this show in particular because I'm talking to Andrew Kern.
00:00:44.000A classical educator who believes that children aren't imbeciles just to be stuffed full of falsehoods and exploited by globalist elite paedophiles.
00:00:53.000No, what you can actually do is instruct your children to grow in grace and present awareness.
00:00:59.000But so you understand him a little better, here's a message.
00:01:02.000Andrew Kern is one of the leading voices in the classical Christian education movement.
00:01:07.000For more than 30 years, he's challenged modern assumptions about education, arguing that its purpose is not simply to prepare children for careers, but to cultivate wisdom, virtue, and a life.
00:01:18.000Long love of truth through his teaching, writing, and work with schools around the world, he continues to help parents and educators rethink what it truly means to educate a child.
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00:02:42.000I should probably be up front with you, though, and tell you that I first learned about you a couple years ago during your conversion.
00:02:50.000I basically watched your public conversion.
00:02:53.000And so I didn't, yeah, it was exciting to see.
00:02:57.000And then when I was invited to participate on your podcast, I looked closer to see your journey.
00:03:05.000And a curiosity has arisen within me, which is what is it about what I'm doing and me and my ministry that draws your interest?
00:03:17.000I am interested in truth, and I'm interested in power.
00:03:25.000It's my strong belief, Andrew, that there is an evil principle prevailing in this world that will lead us into perdition.
00:03:37.000That the world is generating deliberately modes of selfishness and ignorance as kind of false firmaments to ensure that the individual can't function as a conduit for God's love and God's glory.
00:03:56.000That technology appears to drive everything.
00:04:01.000That every time there's a great technological advancement, the technology understandably and perhaps even necessarily primarily benefits elites.
00:04:09.000They have the greatest access to the best version of it.
00:04:12.000And successive revolutions, all of which have been framed I'm not talking political, I'm talking global revolutions that have been framed as beneficial to humankind have ultimately led to this creation of a false imperialist system.
00:04:26.000And I think that once we achieve, or they achieve, a global imperialist state, and I believe that that's their intention, that it will I mean, God is great and we fight from victory, and I accept these principles.
00:04:40.000But It seems to me that we're at a pivotal moment.
00:04:43.000I'm fond of saying that the agricultural revolution, which promised to provide for food needs, was man's mastery over nature and led to, in the end, to a kind of a deleterious impact on the type of nutrition the average person gained access to.
00:04:58.000I know people would dispute that because they'd say, but you know, the serf class in that country had potato, and the serf class in that country had rice, and the serf class in that country had pasta so that they could continue to work for the omniscient, omnipotent, counterfeit, fallen.
00:05:14.000The Industrial Revolution grants mankind control over matter.
00:05:17.000Yet another deity like attribute is granted to this fallen mindset.
00:05:23.000And now I think we're on the precipice in this technological revolution of command over attention itself.
00:05:28.000And attention is one facet of consciousness.
00:05:31.000And that might be, by my reckoning, the prima materia of our relationship with the vine.
00:05:37.000The very clay that gets molded, I consider, and have had some personal insight into.
00:05:43.000Consciousness as being an interface experienced through the nervous system with the source, with the creator God, with the Father, necessarily mediated by the Son and experienced as the Holy Spirit in us, we as co heirs.
00:05:59.000So, as you've worked around it, I previous to becoming Christian, my purview was a kind of anti establishment socialist informed perspective, but I always believed in God.
00:06:39.000I'm not by any means an expert in John Ruskin, but I know that the socialism advocated for by Ruskin owes something to John Wesley.
00:06:51.000And Don't deny the idea of our divinity.
00:06:54.000And the reason, the very essence of why human life is sacred is because we have a spirit and we have a soul.
00:07:01.000They're not units, they're not commodities.
00:07:04.000So, the reason I want to talk to you is because when I was approaching things from a different purview at different points in my relationship with the culture, which I consider to be fundamentally and essentially evil, not just when it comes to education, not just when it comes to finance, not just when it comes to military industrial government and military industrial complex, no.
00:07:26.000What I mean by that is if you were to extract its essence, it would cease to exist.
00:07:32.000That's how I define the essence of something.
00:07:35.000And I would say the culture is essentially evil.
00:07:38.000Not to say that the culture doesn't produce as an inadvertent byproduct of its attempts to achieve counterfeit totalitarian control, total dependency, like the dependency we should offer to our Lord, that it doesn't, as an inadvertent byproduct, occasionally create a good movie.
00:07:55.000Or a nice treatise or a beautiful work of art.
00:07:58.000Of course it does, or a nice chocolate bar or something.
00:08:01.000But I'm saying its function is total control and to create total dependency.
00:08:06.000Now, since discovering and having this illuminated, I'm thinking about what does it require?
00:08:14.000If the whole of creation is groaning as if in labor, waiting for God's children to be revealed, to be born, to become activated, that means we're not here just, oh, well, it's all by grace.
00:08:34.000Now, I know we mustn't make the error, and certainly I can't make this error again, of thinking that I am the summit, culmination, and point of my own reality.
00:08:46.000In fact, anyone that does well in the culture has just been, for a minute, you suit one of the culture's goals.
00:08:52.000Whether you're Malcolm Gladwell or Yuval Noah Harari or whatever, you might be a brilliant intellectual, but the reason that the culture, the system, the empire will highlight you is you, for a moment, have become useful to their goals.
00:09:06.000And if you wake up in the pod, And start going, wait a minute, this whole thing's disgusting and corrupt.
00:09:11.000It's got a million ways to destroy you by sunrise.
00:09:15.000So, where I am now is I'm looking at things like education.
00:09:20.000I'm very interested, for example, interested in Steiner and Montessori.
00:09:25.000And I'm interested in how one might, because I'm a father of free kids, how I, like sometimes I'm, just today, me and my wife, Andrew, were discussing.
00:09:39.000I was like, actually, now they're seven and nine, and now I don't think it's cute, this kind of, even in the somewhat cosseted and somewhat particular environments that we're able to grant them by your grace, Lord.
00:09:52.000There, I still see the culture coming in.
00:09:55.000I still see them emulating kind of laconic, dumb values.
00:10:01.000I still see how Netflix creeps in and YouTube creeps in.
00:10:06.000Like, unless you are a techno Puritan, it's very difficult.
00:10:11.000To ensure that the information your children are given access to is benign, beneficial, nutritious.
00:10:20.000What it will default to is toxicity, corruption, hypocrisy, individualism, materialism, post enlightenment values that initially seem so beautiful and radiant, but ultimately that light is a false and Luciferian light based on, you know, being able to measure something is not the same as being able to create something.
00:11:21.000And so much of the standardized testing, but also the day to day testing, is a distraction for students.
00:11:29.000And so I want to ask you a question about education, if I may.
00:11:34.000If you were to evaluate, I can ask this about the United States.
00:11:37.000So I want to know if it's the same in Britain.
00:11:39.000But if you were to evaluate education and say, what is the one thing that it teaches everybody effectively?
00:11:46.000And by everybody, I mean, The children, the teachers, the parents, college admissions officers, government agencies, it teaches everybody very effectively.
00:11:57.000What would you say is the one thing it teaches?
00:13:29.000I mean, breaking down my two answers, not that I'm a person who just refuses to be wrong ever and will argue to the end of time that I was right about something.
00:15:47.000Now it might be a normalized expression of it, but it's from you remove it.
00:15:53.000Like someone that cannot experience fear will not experience anxiety.
00:15:57.000Someone that cannot experience shame will not experience embarrassment.
00:16:01.000And that's how I would sort of try to detect it.
00:16:05.000But you're quite right that a state of anxiety is precisely what most of us live in.
00:16:12.000And I think we vacillate, perhaps, between anxiety and indulgence and inappropriate, but largely unsuccessful methods to medicate, mediate, and negotiate with that fear.
00:17:26.000It bothers me when something is telling you that it's doing.
00:17:30.000A when in fact it's doing Z, and what the education system was like.
00:17:34.000My experience of the education system was if you encountered a teacher that was actively participating in the transfer of knowledge, my word, you know, pin them down, you know, because that was so seldom happening.
00:17:49.000I can remember teachers like, you know, Mr. Hill, who like encouraged me to try acting, or who was it, Mr. Hennebury, who said, Did you just come up with that sentence like that made me think, Oh, wow, you're using language well, or Mr. Seal.
00:18:04.000Who talked about history in an engaging and encouraging way.
00:18:08.000And later in my life, as I became more, I suppose, refined and had the good grace and good fortune to go to places where my vocation and the expression of my facility were more at the forefront, i.e., I went to schools for acting and for entertainers.
00:18:25.000Then I met people that were like amazing, amazing, and they were smaller and privileged and sort of elite institutions in themselves.
00:18:32.000So, like, that was, you know, a different experience.
00:18:35.000But when I was just going to a standard school, When I was a boy, what the state provided.
00:18:40.000The anarchist analysis of these situations for me is spot on.
00:18:45.000They brought them about in order to mitigate and balance and to a degree legitimise child labour.
00:18:52.000And they use these schools to instruct children in sitting in rows to recognise that learning is passive and all of the things that Montessori and Steiner, et cetera, and what's the other one, Waldorf, attempted to redress.
00:19:08.000And now, actually, as a Father, and as a person that's interested in participating in changing the world meaningfully, if it be his will, is I want to know what it should be because I would like my kids to speak Spanish, play a musical instrument, be good at a martial art, and be able to read well you know, I'd like and speak well and basically understand math all things I wish I could do, I suppose.
00:19:30.000So, I'm no different than most parents there.
00:19:32.000But what I feel like is that, yeah, what my experience of school as a child and my experience of seeing schools as an adult is.
00:19:42.000That, even though, as in hospitals, you will find great nurses and great doctors, but the institution of health has been destroyed, the same in schools, you will find good teachers and good individuals.
00:19:52.000But the institution itself, it isn't what it's telling you it is.
00:19:56.000It's preparing kids to participate in systems where they will comply.
00:20:03.000And you're right that fear is a necessary ingredient because if people are fearless, it's very difficult to control fearless people.
00:20:30.000But I want to learn about how you feel we should be, you know, me as a father and our wider audience, what should we be prioritizing when educating our children?
00:20:41.000More than anything else, attentiveness.
00:20:45.000You said earlier, you talked about attention and perception, and I think consciousness.
00:20:50.000Everything about you depends on what you pay attention to and how well you can do it.
00:20:55.000In the Middle Ages, they had a kind of a motto.
00:20:57.000They said, You become what you behold.
00:21:00.000And in the book of Corinthians, Paul says that we are transformed from glory to glory, right?
00:21:39.000And so if you can undercut the child's capacity to attend by virtue of his own will, Then you have done harm to that person's soul, and you've taken more control over what he's going to become like.
00:21:56.000I love that you brought in Waldorf and Montessori.
00:22:01.000Another person I think you'd love reading is Charlotte Mason.
00:22:27.000And then the second thing, not the second thing in her list, but the next thing that's most important is what you have to work with in a child is their attentiveness.
00:22:37.000What you're always trying to cultivate is their attention.
00:22:40.000And the magnificent thing about attention is it's actually easier to cultivate than we think.
00:22:50.000You have to teach a child, you have to take away.
00:22:54.000The vast quantity of distractions because children are like adults, they're easily distracted.
00:23:00.000But then, in terms of disciplining the attention, if you give them things that they're interested in, and if you are asking them to ask their own questions, put it this way the chances of you being interested in a question that I'm asking you, I like to think there's some interest potential there.
00:23:20.000But the chance that you're interested in a question that you yourself are asking, No comparison.
00:23:26.000If you're asking the question, you are interested.
00:23:29.000If I'm asking the question, if I align with your interests, you'll be interested.
00:23:34.000And so, what we need to teach children how to do is ask their own questions.
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00:25:19.000Let's get back to our conversation with Andrew Kern.
00:25:48.000There's a reason why we don't teach cursive handwriting anymore.
00:25:52.000You have to pay attention when you're handwriting.
00:25:54.000And if you're trying to make it beautiful, you have to pay even more attention.
00:25:58.000And I regard using an instrument as the key to any art, right?
00:26:02.000And so one of the things you'll notice even on, well, you'll notice on TV and anywhere now is when children are holding their pencils in a school, they're not doing it correctly.
00:26:11.000And I mean correctly when I say correctly.
00:26:51.000That's because you have questions and you're acting on them.
00:26:54.000You're illustrating, you're giving a perfect illustration of the point.
00:26:57.000And so for whatever reason, you're interested in the creativity of it, the artistic, and your children.
00:27:04.000You're interested in what you should demand of your children for their sake.
00:27:09.000And this is what people don't understand.
00:27:12.000If you're going to learn an instrument and you don't hold it correctly, you are limiting yourself.
00:27:18.000If you're going to play basketball or run or play for West Ham in football, if you don't use the instrument correctly, the ball, the feet, the hands, the head, you're not going to get good.
00:27:31.000And great athletes, man, the one thing they can do, they can pay attention so closely that they're beyond, they reach what Mason describes it as a higher level of attention.
00:28:16.000Do you know there's a beautiful example of this?
00:28:18.000Mike Tyson was on some kind of, you know, just entertainment show, and they had a bit where they blindfolded him, as they did many of their guests, I think, and got him to throw darts at a dartboard.
00:28:33.000Mike Tyson got two and maybe even three.
00:29:56.000And then the third part is independent reading.
00:29:59.000And the stages are that when it's dependent reading, well, let me back up and say, when somebody is learning how to read, what you have to pay attention to is not their eyes, but their mind.
00:32:00.000And then very gradually over the course of a couple of years, children will, and sometimes suddenly, they'll put together the sounds to make the words, but they cannot do that at as high a level as they can when you're reading to them.
00:32:15.000And so when you're teaching your children phonics or whatever decoding system you're using, you've got to make sure you keep reading to them from stuff way above their reading level because otherwise their attentiveness goes on hiatus.
00:33:25.000He could see that thing, he could see that dartboard and make all the physical motions because he had drilled himself, as it were, with the phonics of dartboards, but the phonics of how his body moves.
00:33:38.000This is a man who had. unfathomable control over how his body worked, right?
00:33:44.000And so he was a genius in how he used it.
00:33:47.000But that was the result of, yes, talent, yes, God's gifts, but also years and years and years of rigorous discipline.
00:33:56.000And you cannot attain greatness in anything without that years and years of rigorous discipline.
00:34:03.000Even if you bury it in promiscuous fun, you still have to be disciplined while you do it.
00:34:10.000Attentiveness underlies and flows through it all.
00:34:13.000So, attentiveness, you have to then, like, with it.
00:34:16.000So, then just looking at two models of learning, the one that currently I use with mostly my wife, actually, who I bet knows Charlotte Mason.
00:34:26.000I think, in fact, I recall her showing me a tome of that educator.
00:34:33.000Whether it's you're educating your own kids or smaller groups, or if you're moving into, you know, even as soon as I say the word institutional, I know that's pejorative, I know that it has a different objective.
00:34:44.000I know that what, you know, our Lord institutes, but institution, once it collapses into a noun, it's dead.
00:34:52.000It has to remain in the vibrant living water.
00:35:07.000When you said that earlier on about gazing upon Christ, what do you mean by that?
00:35:14.000When it's like I'm teaching my kids to read, you know, like we're not going to be like, and what do you mean by Christ?
00:35:21.000I mean, of course, Christ means the incarnation of God, the incarnation and the life lived by Jesus Christ, the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ, the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.
00:35:36.000But imagining a man's face would be, I would say, the equivalent at staring at the hieroglyph A and expecting to understand the first bite of an apple.
00:35:49.000So, how do you make this intersensory?
00:35:55.000How do you create this kind of harmony?
00:35:59.000How do you show a child that you are gazing on Christ when, for example, experiencing nature or experiencing literature or experiencing math or music?
00:36:13.000That is one of the best questions anybody's ever asked me.
00:36:19.000Hey, remember me and my wife Laura every weekend make this podcast.
00:36:23.000You can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts or you can enjoy it here on Rumble.
00:36:27.000It's difficult to explain, but Here is a section to give you an idea of what we talk about.
00:36:41.000This particular book is about the chapters six to eight in the book of Romans and is an extemporization or at least extrapolation on Norman Grubbs.
00:36:54.000And I struggle with the name, I wish he was called something like Rene Dubois or something like where his name seemed fancy, but he's called Norman Grubb.
00:37:02.000And in his book, No Independent Self, he declares that we human beings have no human independent nature.
00:37:10.000So this becomes relevant when we're talking about leave your ego at the door because he says Norman Grubb does.
00:37:15.000And this is similar to theosis, which is the idea of becoming in tune and alignment and an expression of God, which is an idea, as you can tell, I'm sure, from the word that is prevalent within Greek orthodoxy.
00:37:30.000So, what I wanted to talk about here is that if we are here to express either the nature of God or the nature of the fallen one, this phenomena, which in psychiatric or psychological nomenclature we would call the ego, Is in fact and in effect the fallen self.
00:37:51.000That either you are in God or you are in sin through self via self.
00:37:59.000As St. John of the Cross says, there is no neutrality.
00:38:05.000Either you're in God or you are moving towards sin.
00:38:08.000So, sort of in your prayer or in anyone's prayer, if you don't, as you sort of naturally and organically described, undertake the process of ensuring that you're in a state of flowing relational love.
00:38:20.000Then the chances are that through nervousness or for whatever reason, one might be just only thinking, how does this affect me?
00:38:28.000Which, you know, obviously, as an addict and as a person that's lived most of my life now as an entertainer, self centeredness, and I live in the world, and the world is geared towards making you self centered because then you are manageable.
00:38:40.000Indeed, it is the condition of this world, it is the strategy of the world, it is the point of worldliness.
00:38:45.000Scripturally, one might look at John's first epistle here, in particular, when he says, The whole world is under the control of the evil one.
00:38:55.000The whole world is under the control of the evil one.
00:38:59.000This is on my mind because last night I did a show, and in that show I used that quote because I feel sometimes, Laura, that, and let me know, please let us know, that sometimes I, when I became Christian, I was astonished, astounded, and euphoric to discover that the articulation of thoughts that I had felt in a diffuse and vague way for a long time.
00:40:02.000If you are engaged continually in outward activity, you are in no state to receive the service, the power, the intention, and resources of our Lord.
00:40:15.000He says here, Noah Grubb does, so all self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.
00:40:24.000This reminds me of a famous part of the Alcoholics Anonymous big book where it talks about in our efforts to be in control of what it describes in that.
00:40:35.000An alcoholic might be kind and loving and generous, or they might be cruel.
00:40:40.000And then it goes on to say, but as with most human beings, they're likely to have a variety of traits.
00:40:44.000It makes the point that whether someone outwardly presents as kind and pleasant or irritating and obnoxious, what's really important is what they're trying to achieve.
00:40:55.000And if what someone's trying to achieve is control, then they are, according here to our friend Norman Grubb, all self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.
00:41:06.000He goes on to say that Paul, in chapter seven specifically of Romans, Attempts to start using I statements as if he himself, Saint Paul, the great Saint Paul, writer of much of the New Testament, who we meet in Acts of the Apostles, the only apostle that encounters Christ, the posthumous risen Christ.
00:41:28.000Posthumous, yeah, after human, posthumous risen Christ.
00:41:32.000Paul said in chapter seven of Romans, Paul starts to use I statements like what I want to do, I can't do, what I don't want to do, I do do.
00:41:40.000He once again demonstrates this inability.
00:41:43.000Even though he knows Christ is real, to act in accordance with law.
00:41:48.000But in this analysis, our man says Paul's using that as a device.
00:41:53.000He, in his present state at the time of writing Romans, is fully in God.
00:41:59.000But in order to, as all teachers and apostles and leaders must, bring us over, he says, I too know what it's like to be lost in self and to not be able to change, to want to stop drinking, but I can't stop drinking, to want to stop watching porn, but I can't stop watching porn, to want to not shout at my kids, but I can't stop shouting at my kids.
00:42:17.000To want to not do a job that I hate, but the list is infinite.
00:42:22.000The shame and humiliation of Paul's defeat was just the necessary negative God used to make him desperate enough to find the answer.
00:42:31.000And thus, that final usefulness of the law in exposing the lie of self effort.
00:42:37.000Nothing can be achieved by self effort, only by God.
00:42:47.000And then it says, Here, a desperate discovery, which anyone who's gotten sober or changed a destructive habit, whether that's in relationships or in relation to substance, will recognize the gift of desperation.
00:42:59.000Some use it as an acronym for God, but you know, obviously, for me, when I say God, I mean God.
00:43:04.000Have not I, like Paul, vainly thought there should be some way in which I could combat and overcome this evil bias in myself?
00:43:15.000Does not the whole world operate by doing its own stuff?
00:43:20.000Isn't I must, I can, or I will, or I'm going to, the sole absorbing incentive of human living?
00:43:31.000That is humanity's vast lost blindness.
00:43:34.000Even though sin is not imputed when law hasn't yet confronted us, Romans 5 13 to 14, all of us in this fallen world, with no exceptions, really live by that Satan lie with which we were inoculated.
00:43:51.000Term to use in this post pandemic period where we recognize the power of inoculation and the idea that something external, foreign, and alien can be inserted into us to control us, even when the deceiver tells us it's to help us.
00:44:09.000Inoculated at the fall, that self by self in its apparent independence can run its own life.
00:44:42.000So, do you think that, and I'm not trying to immediately take it on to rest.
00:44:45.000We can talk about this for as long as you want in terms of this, but it just, that does to me relate to that idea that, like, is it in a way is restfulness and a type of surrendering.
00:45:32.000Because he, Terry, her grieving father, he will be moved by this.
00:45:40.000And in this moment, oh, yeah, it makes me think of Lucy and Pops.
00:45:45.000Jake's father in law, Ali's father, Michael Emmett, Ross, God rest his eternal soul, and some of those that have passed since I've been in Christ.
00:45:58.000The point is that in rest is a state of receipt.
00:46:01.000And you, like, you are a very, even though you, I would say, are very selfless, kind, always working, always endeavoring, very natural, giving, creative woman.
00:46:18.000By the, frankly, the deaths of the last year and a half, two years, it's been a lot.
00:46:26.000So it just, it brought up a feeling, but it also made me feel connected to, like, when you see something like the feather landing, not to be too kind of over the top about it, but it is nice, isn't it?
00:46:38.000When you have a sort of a moment where you feel the message is coming.
00:46:43.000One doesn't want to yield to superstition.
00:46:46.000Or to resorting to signs, but we are in continual communion with the Lord because, in this way, when it says, There is no independent human self.
00:46:54.000We're saying that you are in continual communion in harmony with him when you understand the melody of his truth, of the true word, of his logos, his vibration.
00:47:15.000And what was very interesting is one of the things anecdotally that I was going to talk about today was Sean Stone, the filmmaker.
00:47:25.000Who happens also to be Oliver Stone's son came and some of the content we were making was about that he'd done this.
00:47:32.000He's a very spiritual man, actually, Sean.
00:47:34.000And he was making, he made this documentary where he went into abandoned mental hospitals like the Greystone Institute in New Jersey while scouting locations for a film 20 years ago and encountered specters and poltergeists and stuff like that.
00:47:48.000And in his documentary film, there are moments where you hear these noises.
00:47:52.000And I, like, in the film, like, stopped and was like, This is on your podcast.
00:47:56.000Podcast on my podcast, yeah, yeah, it's available.
00:47:59.000And you're with Sean live, oh, yeah, we're doing a watch along.
00:48:02.000Thank you, gosh, so much exposition you're doing, yeah, because thank you, yeah, I've done no exposition, no, none.
00:48:09.000So, you're with Sean, and it was last week, and you're doing a watch along with him about his own documentary which we're watching, made about okay, and all that stuff.
00:48:18.000And I, even though I'm a believer, I'm like, man, this is real hard for me because I believe in God and angels and demons and supernatural entities and all of this, but.
00:48:30.000When actually someone shows me something, I don't know, get out of it.
00:48:36.000And I sort of stopped there because I feel like I don't want to be duped, mate.
00:48:40.000I feel like I don't want to go, whoa, ghosts are there.
00:48:42.000You know, and I feel like sometimes when someone's doing, if someone stops you to do close up magic, I always go, oh no, I hate being told jokes and I hate people showing me magic.
00:49:59.000It's good to touch on that because it does make, you know, it's funny because sometimes it's like, I'm so glad you mentioned it because it is something and it's like something Lucy would have said.
00:50:10.000Like, if you ever see a white feather, think of me.
00:50:13.000So do that, honor that person, you know, like that's what it is.
00:50:16.000But also, like you, you don't want to go too into it that it becomes, like you said, rightly, superstition.
00:50:29.000C.S. Lewis says of demons, there are two mistakes people make with regard to demons.
00:50:35.000One is to dismiss their existence altogether, and the other is an unhealthy fascination of them.
00:50:42.000Also, I suppose if it's a thing that's a restorative thing for a person, If it's something that you see something and it fills you with such love and heart for that person, and a reminder of that person, then that is a different thing.
00:50:59.000So, like if it's the reminder of a person you've lost, you've loved and lost, then that isn't so much superstition as it is just filling your heart with the person and the love for the person.
00:51:11.000And then you can be thankful for them and grateful and stop for a moment.
00:51:14.000And that stopping that moment, then that goes back to rest again because.
00:51:21.000Like you were saying before, I do not find rest easy.
00:51:23.000And in hurrying and doing and constantly kind of being in action, you do miss a lot of stuff, you know?
00:51:33.000And it's also feeling like kind of overwhelmed by the load that if you stop, you'll just get more delayed, you'll get more behind, you'll have more stuff to do.
00:52:55.000That then ties into like slower living, being less hurried, taking your time.
00:53:00.000And then one of the comments that I wanted to make on that was that what that book, Rest, actually says is if you want rest, you have to take it.
00:53:09.000You have to resist the lure of busyness, make time for rest, take it seriously, protect it from a world that is intent on stealing it.
00:54:03.000And then consider this from Philippians 2.
00:54:09.000Have the same mindset as Christ Jesus, who being in very nature God, Did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage.
00:54:17.000Rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant.
00:54:21.000Being made in human likeness and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
00:54:29.000That this king says of himself, If you've seen me, you have seen the Father.
00:54:36.000All he wants is to be an expression of the virtues and attributes, principles of God, wisdom.
00:54:45.000Love, life, like that, that, to if what would God be if God were man?
00:54:52.000God becomes man, becomes flesh to show us that it's possible.
00:54:56.000But just going back to that secular idea, what if, shouldn't we know ourselves to replace any things with the idea that if the person's saying get the things you need to, that you, when you read that as a Christian, you read to be with God first thing in the morning.
00:55:12.000Because you know later in the day you can't be, or you might not be, it might not be.
00:55:16.000And so it's not a prescription as such.
00:55:18.000As it could be utilized as a nudge towards whatever glasses you're wearing to view it.
00:55:25.000I absolutely agree with what you're saying.
00:55:27.000I absolutely agree, but I just do not want to miss this crucial point.
00:55:31.000The insidiousness of the fallen one, the enemy, is that we enter into sin not for a moustache twirling.
00:55:39.000Some people are literally diabolical and delight in evil, but that is a small percentage of demonic individuals.
00:55:53.000Gradually, well, and in ways that are completely acceptable, like that's why it makes the point again and again of it might be, you know, like it said there.
00:56:04.000Um, all self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.
00:56:10.000So, if you haven't got the correct coordinate of I am in service of God, God is real, then there is no neutrality, as St. John of the Cross says.
00:56:20.000Your tendency in the end, you will end up being selfish.
00:56:32.000Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Andrew Kern.