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00:01:00.000Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:01:02.000Wherever you're watching this, the show in its entirety will only be available on Rumble, and today it is a fantastic show because we've got Vivek Ramaswamy, presidential candidate in the Republican primaries, joining us live to talk about his policies, how he'd run the Republican Party, and indeed, the United States of America.
00:01:20.000Also later in the show, in our item Here's The News, we'll be asking, who's the biggest threat to democracy?
00:01:27.000We've got an amazing story for you that's going to knock your knickers down and blow your socks straight out the window, because the FBI have been involved in conspiracies that you would not believe.
00:01:36.000You're not going to want to miss that.
00:01:38.000But let's get straight into our conversation.
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00:01:59.000On occasion, we have to have these conversations not live, just to ensure we get the best guests and the guests we want to hear from, like Dean NJ, Purple Revolution, They're all with us now and they're having a wonderful conversation and they'll have their opportunity to pose their questions to Vivek.
00:02:14.000Without any more skullduggery, nonsense or tomfoolery, please help me to welcome Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:02:58.000For the first 15 minutes of the conversation while we're on YouTube, we can keep things relatively light.
00:03:02.000Of course, over the course of our conversation, I'd love to talk to you about your views on Donald Trump and what he does to your candidacy, and indeed anyone who would seek the nomination of the Republican Party.
00:03:13.000But let's start a little bit with some of the broader points for our audience who are not yet familiar with you.
00:03:20.000What exactly do you think you can bring to this race?
00:03:22.000What do you think you can bring to this candidacy?
00:03:27.000So, look, I think that the thing that was missing in the field, the thing that pulled me in, is that I see a Republican Party that for a long time has been running from something.
00:03:39.000I am leading us to start running to something.
00:03:42.000To our vision of what it means to be an American.
00:03:45.000To the ideals of the American Revolution that define what this country is all about.
00:03:51.000And yes, the left is very good at filling the vacuum of purpose and meaning in young people with race, gender, sexuality, climate.
00:04:00.000I want us talking more about what we actually stand for.
00:04:04.000The individual, the family, the nation, God.
00:04:09.000This is, I think, actually much more valuable than just criticizing and playing whack-a-mole with everything the other side gives us.
00:04:16.000And I bring some unique attributes to this.
00:04:36.000And I think it might just take somebody of a different generation to get this job done and actually reaching young Americans, bringing them along, reminding them why we have to be proud of this country, all the reasons we have to be proud of this nation we call home.
00:04:56.000Somebody who both comes from the business world but understands the Constitution deeply.
00:05:01.000Somebody who cares about this country but who has also succeeded in living the American dream and who is young and a member of my generation.
00:05:09.000That's what I'm bringing to this that I think nobody else is.
00:05:12.000It is what gave me the duty to, I think, it called me into this race, and we will see what God's plan is for us, but for now, we're gonna keep doing what I believe is my part, and my heart says we're gonna be successful.
00:05:24.000Jay says on Locals, now we need more senile octogenarians in power.
00:05:29.000I think that's some tacit support right there.
00:05:31.000Now you're currently third in the polls.
00:05:33.000We had Ron DeSantis, the governor, on our show recently and I get the sense that it must be difficult to find yourself in this position When the conversation is continually dominated by Donald Trump, his easy, oratical brilliance, his status as the perennial outsider, although I recognize that you have a comparable background in enterprise and business, how do you tackle the challenges that Donald Trump's candidacy continues to represent?
00:06:06.000In a second, once we leave YouTube, which is just in a couple of minutes, I'm going to ask you outright.
00:06:11.000Do you believe that Donald Trump legitimately lost that last election in 2020 or fraudulently lost it?
00:06:17.000But for now, what does he do to you ideologically?
00:06:20.000What is the challenge of dealing with a man like Trump for a Republican candidate, Vivek?
00:06:24.000Well, first thing is, isn't it a shame that we have to parse the conversation in this way?
00:06:30.000It just says a lot about where we are as a country and a culture right now.
00:06:36.000I do think you only get to be an outsider once.
00:06:39.000Donald Trump was that outsider in 2015, and I think that his victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016 was the single most important political event of my lifetime.
00:06:50.000It stopped the inevitable quasi-Marxist march through our government and through our other institutions, and I think he was a great president in many ways.
00:07:00.000I'm looking to build on that foundation and take the America First agenda to the next level.
00:07:05.000And I'm not blaming him for this, I think it's just a fact.
00:07:08.000That about 30% of this country, probably 30% of the developed world, becomes psychiatrically ill when he is in the White House.
00:07:18.000And I can't explain it to you, because I think a lot of what he did makes total sense to me.
00:07:23.000In fact, I'm saying many of the same things.
00:07:25.000In some cases, I'm going far further than he ever did.
00:07:29.000I've said I would use the military on our southern border.
00:07:31.000I've said I would shut down departments like the U.S.
00:07:34.000Department of Education, where he appointed figureheads to try to reform them.
00:07:38.000So in some ways it's funny that I'm going further than he is, in some cases saying the exact same things.
00:07:44.000But for whatever reason, maybe it's my age, maybe it's my background, maybe it's the way I say them, I'm not having that effect on people.
00:07:51.000And that will allow me to go further than Trump did, while also, I think, having the last best chance we have of uniting this country.
00:09:11.000It's the only place where we can be assured that we won't be censored and shut down, and free speech is just one of the issues Vivek and I will be discussing a little later.
00:09:22.000Would you, do you believe that Donald Trump lost 2020 fairly or fraudulently?
00:09:27.000And the second part of that question is, if elected president, would you pardon Donald Trump in the event that he was indicted and found guilty of the many charges that confront him?
00:09:37.000But Vivek's not going to answer that question here on YouTube.
00:09:40.000The answer could have too many consequences for us as a platform and a channel.
00:09:50.000Would Was it fraudulent, or was it fair, and would you pardon him in office?
00:09:56.000The election was not fair because it was stolen by big tech.
00:10:00.000And it's funny, this is exactly, literally Russell, it's almost like a concrete poem we just demonstrated through our actions.
00:10:08.000We had to switch over to this platform, Rumble, which by the way I was a proud early investor in when Rumble was a private company, because I believe in this mission.
00:10:18.000This is a demonstration of everything that's wrong with our culture.
00:10:22.000And so, yes, you know who stole the election from Donald Trump, above all?
00:10:35.000There is hard polling data, which demonstrates that that changed the outcome of the election, because many people said, independents, they would have changed their vote had they known that the son of the US president was compromised financially by our adversaries in China, and also being paid multi-billion dollar bribes from Ukraine, which, as it turns out, They were right to wonder about because we're now paying hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayer money to that same nation.
00:11:04.000So that definitively, I believe, changed the outcome of the 2020 election.
00:11:12.000Combine that with Google search algorithm suppression, soft censorship.
00:11:36.000I'm just going to tell you straight what I think, and if people don't like it, then they don't have to vote for me.
00:11:40.000I will pardon Donald Trump because I believe that these are politicized persecutions through prosecution.
00:11:46.000I'm in a unique position to do that because Donald Trump, if you believe years of case law in this country, can't pardon himself.
00:11:53.000So I would need to be in that office to get that job done, not just for Trump.
00:11:57.000But for Ross Ulbricht, for Julian Assange, for Douglas Mackey, for countless peaceful protesters on January 6th, anytime there's been two standards of justice where somebody was prosecuted because of their political orientation or because of political circumstances, they will be the subject of a presidential pardon.
00:12:15.000And for me, that's not an exception for Donald Trump.
00:12:17.000That's just me following my principle that Donald Trump is on that list.
00:12:21.000He is being prosecuted under circumstances that an ordinary person would not have been prosecuted for if it was under a different political vantage point.
00:12:30.000So hopefully, you know, I can keep going into depth, but I believe in giving you direct answers.
00:12:36.000And embedded within that are a few points I'd love to pick up on.
00:12:40.000That you say you'd be better for America than Trump, you're Trumpier than Trump, and you'd even be better for Trump than Trump because Trump couldn't pardon himself.
00:12:48.000Even Donald Trump wins if you win this election.
00:12:51.000Now obviously you're setting yourself up in opposition to the Espionage Act by saying that you would pardon Snowden, Assange, who is currently in our country in Belmarsh prison in the UK without trial, waiting extradition to your company, facing some pretty terrifying charges.
00:13:07.000How do these figures intersect with the principle of free speech?
00:13:12.000Where do you think free speech stands in your country, Vivek, at the moment?
00:13:16.000And what would you do to address this issue?
00:13:19.000Well, in 1776 and in principle, free speech is the most important bedrock principle of the United States.
00:13:25.000The idea that whoever you are, whatever your views are, whatever your opinions are, you get to express them as long as I get to express mine in return.
00:13:34.000That was the bargain of the American Revolution.
00:13:52.000And if they criticize us for us, they must be suppressed, because that's what's required to preserve order and structure in a society.
00:13:59.000In the United States of America in 1776, we fought a revolution to say it's done the other way.
00:14:04.000I am sad to say, Russell, that that's not the America that I live in today.
00:14:08.000The America that I live in today is one where the government deputizes private companies to do through the back door what the government could not do through the front door under the Constitution.
00:14:18.000Indeed, that is why we are unable right now to have this conversation on YouTube.
00:14:25.000That is a hollowed-out husk of the country that I grew up in.
00:14:28.000If George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton were walking the streets of this country today, they would not be proud.
00:14:35.000They would be appalled at seeing a country that looks more like the kingdom they declared independence from than the country they actually set into motion.
00:14:58.000My son will be just entering high school.
00:15:02.000Young Americans will once again be proud of those radical ideals we used to set this country into motion, rather than being ashamed of them.
00:15:10.000Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson and George Washington will once again rest in peace.
00:15:16.000But the only way we're going to get there, the first step we're going to have to take to get there, is to restore the First Amendment itself, and it's in the First Amendment for a reason.
00:15:24.000We have absolute free speech in this country.
00:15:28.000There's no opinion that you should not be able to express.
00:15:31.000That's what absolute free speech means.
00:15:33.000Does it mean you can fraudulently lie to somebody and sell them a product for private gain?
00:15:37.000Does it mean that you can threaten somebody and then follow through on that threat?
00:15:43.000But free speech above all, if it means one thing, it means that all opinions are fair game, and any criticism of the government is also fair game.
00:15:53.000And yet that's exactly what the government is clamping down on today, and that's exactly what I will restore as the next president.
00:16:00.000How do you believe you could transfer those ideals into office when you have agencies like the FBI that have undue, immersive, and ubiquitous power?
00:16:11.000I'd like to draw to your attention, if I may, Vivek, the case of the Newburgh Four, who
00:16:15.000recently had their convictions overturned, or at least were granted compassionate release,
00:16:19.000after it was revealed, if not publicly proven, that their convictions were based on FBI meddling.
00:16:25.000That essentially the FBI built a conspiracy, cast them in that conspiracy, in this instance
00:16:30.000an act of terror bombings against synagogues, solely that they could arrest these men for
00:16:56.000And indeed, does this not indicate that along with big tech, Agencies like the FBI and the CIA who deeply penetrated big tech organizations and participated in the manipulation that you earlier described will still have power.
00:17:08.000What would you do to limit the power of the FBI and the CIA and deep state agencies elsewhere and bureaucratic bodies that throughout the COVID pandemic period behaved atrociously?
00:17:18.000What would you do to limit that power?
00:17:20.000And if you have time to comment on the particular case of the Newburgh 4, I'd be interested
00:17:24.000in what you think about that and how it pertains to January 6.
00:17:28.000Was January 6 an insurrection or was January 6 an FBI construction?
00:17:34.000So listen, I think you just scratched the surface.
00:17:37.000This is just part of a broader pattern.
00:17:39.000Before I do, I want people to know this is not a partisan answer.
00:17:42.000And the reason I'll tell you it's not a partisan answer is the examples you gave, Russell, are solid examples grounded in appropriate skepticism and fact.
00:17:52.000But they will say, no, no, that's just conservative grievance.
00:17:54.000So let me just give you even further back.
00:17:56.000The same FBI that will not tell us how many field agents, likely hundreds, if I have to guess, were on the ground on January 6th, is the same FBI that lied to us, directly to the face of the people, about what happened on 9-11.
00:18:16.000Look at quietly declassified documents in 2021.
00:18:19.000The FBI and the 9-11 Commission said that the 42-year-old graduate student from Saudi Arabia, who suspiciously welcomed at the airport two of the hijackers and terrorists, who claimed that he just met them randomly at the airport, The most ridiculous story on earth.
00:18:36.000The FBI 9-11 Commission said, no, no, no, that's actual fact.
00:18:39.000Quietly declassified documents a year and two years ago now say, well, actually, that guy was a Saudi intelligence agent.
00:18:46.00020 years later, they systematically lie.
00:18:48.000Same FBI that went back and incorrectly collected illicit tapes about Martin Luther King Jr.
00:18:54.000...threatened him to commit suicide on the back of releasing those tapes.
00:19:38.000There are other people in this race, you've talked to some of them, I gather, who will make sort of false promises of, we'll reform it, I'll fire Christopher Wray.
00:19:48.000They don't think they're making a false promise.
00:19:49.000They're good people, they're patriots, they mean well.
00:20:15.000I've also offered unprecedented detail of exactly how we will shut down that FBI.
00:20:20.000I've offered unprecedented detail on the legal authority that who would have ever thought the President of the United States, who runs the executive branch of the government, can actually run the executive branch of the government.
00:21:52.000If you want incremental reform, go with somebody else.
00:21:55.000If you want a quantum leap to revolution, that's what I'm actually bringing.
00:21:58.000Not violent revolution, but a revival of the ideals of the American Revolution.
00:22:03.000Yes, radical ideals that in 1776 gave birth to this nation.
00:22:07.000I stand for the radicalism of the American Revolution.
00:22:11.000And that's very different than the other candidates in this race.
00:22:14.000Vivek, I can't tell you how much support you're getting here in our locals community.
00:22:18.000This is exactly the kind of language and the kind of ideas and the kind of authenticity that I think the American political space is craving.
00:22:27.000When it comes to addressing the challenges of the deep state and their insidious reach across democratic institutions and their ability to nullify the will of ordinary American people, To hear you say that you would on day one disband the FBI is incredibly encouraging.
00:22:42.000But another part of that totalitarian cuboid nightmare is the relationship between corporations, lobbying, donations, and many measures that are able to bypass democracy.
00:22:54.000Now, of the fortunes that you have made, my understanding is that some of that fortune at least is through biotech and from organizations that are somewhat adjacent to pharma.
00:23:04.000and the pharmaceutical industry. Now I know that many people in our audience are deeply cynical
00:23:08.000about the behavior of the pharmaceutical industry, not least because of fentanyl that you've already
00:23:12.000mentioned, although I'm sure you're alluding to the relationship between Mexico and America
00:23:16.000rather than the sort of fentanyl manufactured, distributed illegally, or at least criminally,
00:23:22.000ethically, if not judiciously, throughout the United States of America.
00:23:28.000I'd love to ask what you would do about Big Pharma's hold.
00:23:31.000How Big Pharma would be punished for their role during the pandemic, if you believe there's any corruption there, and during the opioid crisis.
00:23:40.000How can you, I wonder, are you willing, Vivek, to apply the same kind of definitive discourse
00:23:47.000and punitive measures to the pharmaceutical industry as you would to deep state corruption
00:23:54.000within the FBI, particularly given your relationships within pharma?
00:23:57.000Well, it's just an extension of the deep state.
00:24:00.000I just want to say something, Russell.
00:24:01.000Actually, this is a good chance to address it, because many people, and I understand where they're coming from, because if I didn't know better, I'd be saying the same thing.
00:24:07.000Oh, did this guy make his money off a biotech company, and is that tied to big pharma?
00:24:13.000That is about... My relationship to Big Pharma is like the equivalent of saying Rumble's relationship to Big Tech, okay?
00:24:22.000I started a company that challenged Big Pharma on the terms of its own corruption.
00:24:27.000This is why most people in Big Pharma despise me.
00:24:31.000I called a lot of their bluffs and used it to also develop medicines that they claim deserve not to be developed, which are actually helping thousands of people today that they systematically didn't develop.
00:24:41.000And by the way, it's also why I like to back businesses like Rumble.
00:24:44.000So I just wanted to address that out of the gate.
00:24:47.000It is good when someone like Chris starts Rumble to stand up to YouTube.
00:24:52.000It is good when people like me at least set out to start biotech companies to challenge the way Big Pharma behaves.
00:24:59.000They don't love me very much, but a big part of the problem is the tie-in with government.
00:25:03.000And there's no way I was going to address that by being one biotech startup, even though that's a bigger company now.
00:25:35.000Not even people who claim to disagree with us.
00:25:39.000The same FDA That made it take boatloads of money for me to develop the medicines that are approved now.
00:25:45.000I can tell you right now, those medicines could have been developed for a tiny fraction of the price, which means they could cost a tiny fraction of the price.
00:25:52.000That FDA says, it has to take 10 years and a billion dollars to develop any medicine, and we won't even let you try it.
00:26:01.000That you or I, in a fully informed way, after it's gone through thousands of patients.
00:26:17.000I'm a strong libertarian when it comes to this.
00:26:19.000If I want to take it, I'm going to take it.
00:26:21.000I don't want you getting in the way, especially if I have a life-threatening disease, God forbid.
00:26:25.000There are people who are left to die rather than to be able to take that risk for themselves.
00:26:29.000And by the way, I believe the same thing when it comes to veterans who suffer from PTSD, who turn to fentanyl, who could be going to ayahuasca or ketamine or other psychedelics that are far better options than fentanyl.
00:26:40.000This is something that, again, the FDA and the DEA and the federal government step in and say, no, no, no.
00:26:45.000You don't even have the right to actually make the choice.
00:26:50.000That's the same FDA that said, now we have in the same federal government with the FDA that says, we're going to shepherd in and push vaccines for COVID in less than one year.
00:27:01.000And to top it off, it's not that you only get the choice to take it, which I have no problem with, but that you have a mandate to take it, which I do have a problem with.
00:27:09.000I also have a problem with the lies they told in that approval.
00:27:13.000So those two things, you can't believe those at the same time, right?
00:27:16.000The same agency that stops you from even having the right to try medicine, say you have no right but not to take it in the case of a vaccine that's part of a favored political class, that's part of the lobbying industrial complex.
00:27:28.000And so, you know, I see it in this election as well.
00:27:31.000I'm the only candidate in this race, save for Donald Trump, but the rest of the candidates.
00:27:39.000Millions of dollars flowing into super PACs propping up the other candidates.
00:27:43.000I don't even have TV ads up in most of the country.
00:27:46.000There are TV ads being paid for for every other candidate.
00:27:49.000If you look at the per percentage point in the polls, how much is somebody spending?
00:27:54.000For Jeb Bush, Scott Walker last time, for every one of the other candidates this time, millions of dollars being spent on TV ads per percentage point in the polls.
00:28:02.000For Donald Trump in 2015, for me this time, tens of thousands of dollars, right?
00:29:10.000But when the ones that do work, work, let it not be the product of government corruption.
00:29:14.000Just tell the people, here's the value proposition, it's your choice whether you take it or not, rather than applying mandates, as opposed to the backdoor mechanism of hiding myocarditis risks, pushing something through, And saying that we're not confident enough being able to convince the public to take it on their own value proposition, so we need you, the government, that shepherded this uniquely through, to also be the one that mandates it while we get paid in the process.
00:30:04.000So you would end crony capitalism in the instance of Big Pharma, in particular, by revoking the avoidance of liability that was sanctioned and enshrined in the measures taken around the beginning of the pandemic.
00:30:17.000Similarly, you would end the crony capitalism around big tech.
00:30:21.000Of course, the other abiding industry that dominates American culture, perhaps like none other, is the military-industrial complex, with the undue influence that they're able to assert on American policy, American life, right up to and including the behavior of the American military, one of the few institutions that remains popular in a country and a culture where people are cynical about government, cynical about media, cynical about the deep state.
00:30:46.000The military remains loved, and yet All of us know that the Pentagon are incapable of passing an audit.
00:30:51.000All of us know that a considerable amount of money, over half of all budgetary expenditure, ends up in the hands of companies like Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, etc.
00:31:00.000Are you saying that in the same way that you would stymie and end Big Pharma's ability to influence through corporate capitalism, you would introduce measures, policies and legislation that would end the ongoing power of the military-industrial complex?
00:31:15.000And if you will permit me, sir, how would you apply that mentality to the current conflict between Ukraine and Russia and its ongoing rolling funding?
00:31:25.000Well, I think the Ukraine-Russia conflict is a direct consequence of corruption in our own government.
00:31:32.000There's a lot of corruption in Ukraine, where they're siphoning off our money to enrich a lot of people over there.
00:31:37.000But it's actually easy to point the finger at somebody else's corruption.
00:31:40.000It's a lot harder to take a long, hard look in the mirror as a nation and identify that corruption at home.
00:31:46.000So, big tech, government collusion, done.
00:31:49.000Big pharma, government collusion, done.
00:31:51.000Military, private, industrial, military, with government, done.
00:31:59.000I think that anybody who has Worked in the government should have a 10-year hiatus at minimum to work in an industry that they've been responsible for contracting with or regulating.
00:32:12.000I mean, the lobbying is really where a lot of this begins, and I have a lot more solutions beyond this.
00:32:16.000I personally believe that if I, as the next US president, can't work for the taxpayer and collect a paycheck from them for more than eight years, which I think is a good thing, Then neither should pretty much any of those federal bureaucrats reporting into me either.
00:32:31.000Somebody shouldn't be able to work for the federal government for more than eight years continuously.
00:32:35.000That's when the corruption and the rot and the entitlement and the ossification of bureaucracy begins.
00:32:41.000And so, if we can continue, I could give you a list of policy prescriptions, shutting down agencies, legal authority to do it.
00:32:51.000This is revolution when it comes to that deep state.
00:32:54.000Now, as it relates to Ukraine, we now see just one of the symptoms of how this corruption manifests itself.
00:33:00.000One symptom is the fentanyl crisis across this country.
00:33:02.000One symptom is hiding from the public the truth about the origin of COVID-19.
00:33:07.000The truth about what's known about myocarditis risks from the vaccine.
00:33:10.000The truth about how vaccine mandates came to be.
00:33:12.000The truth about special liability protection.
00:33:14.000Now we're just moving to another symptom of that corruption, right?
00:33:18.000Another symptom is suppressing a story, right, on the eve of a presidential election by big tech that changed the outcome of the election.
00:33:24.000Another symptom is systematically lying to the public about what we know about UFOs, which they now call UAPs, which is the polite way you're supposed to say it.
00:33:32.000What they've said about the Jeffrey Epstein client list, the truth about the Nashville shooter manifesto, the list just goes on.
00:33:37.000But yes, one example of this Is what's really going on behind the U.S.
00:33:46.000So if I told you this is a ridiculous set of facts, but it's not a set of facts, it's just actual history, and then I give you one additional fact that makes it all make sense, what I'm about to tell you probably would be uncouth, maybe intolerable on YouTube as well.
00:34:03.000The establishment Republicans are furious at me for even intimating this the other day in a speech in Iowa, but I'm just gonna lay out some facts, okay?
00:34:21.000Now, NATO was created to deter the USSR and to contain the USSR.
00:34:28.000NATO has expanded far more after the fall of the USSR than it ever did during the existence of the USSR.
00:34:35.000Yes, we have a 1994 Budapest Memorandum that said in order for nuclear disarmament in Ukraine, the US and the UK, along with Russia, will help protect their boundaries.
00:34:44.000to a certain extent, and we have more than lived out the commitments of the Budapest Memorandum,
00:34:48.000but we also had a 1990 commitment that James Baker made to Gorbachev, which said that we
00:34:55.000would expand NATO not one inch, that was the exact language he used, not one inch past East Germany.
00:35:01.000So against this backdrop, we now have a little bit of a conflict in Ukraine, where this is
00:35:07.000following Angela Merkel saying that the Minsk agreement was really just a matter of biding time.
00:35:12.000We've been arming Ukraine to the teeth for years under Republican and Democrat administrations alike.
00:35:18.000Putin asked for a hard commitment that NATO would not admit Ukraine.
00:35:24.000It is after Victoria Nuland and others in the U.S.
00:35:26.000have openly been caught admitting that we meddled with elections, talking about election interference, in the 2014 situation in Ukraine, the Euromaidan protests and everything else.
00:35:36.000Against that backdrop, yes, we have a struggle with a really complicated history where Russia has made the decision to invade Russian-speaking and Russian-heritage-oriented parts, separatist parts of Ukraine.
00:35:52.000There's no national interest at issue.
00:35:54.000We have an invasion across our own southern border, and I don't use that word lightly.
00:35:58.000There are literally armed cartel gunmen crossing, invading our own southern border, and yet we're doing nothing there, sending hundreds of billions of dollars in aid, in military equipment, to protect this random invasion across somebody else's border in a disputed territory in the first place.
00:36:45.000Has given the American people, more importantly, a good answer on what national interest we're advancing by using hundreds of billions of dollars of our own money to pay and protect the random disputed border of this random Eastern European nation.
00:37:15.000Now I tell you, against the backdrop of that otherwise inexplicable set of facts, that that same country, a state-affiliated company in that country, He paid multi-million dollar bribes to the son of that U.S.
00:37:34.000President, Joe Biden, that's sending over that aid.
00:37:41.000Under any other circumstances, even just imagine this was Donald Trump.
00:37:44.000The same thing, except substitute Donald Trump for Joe Biden and Ivanka Trump for Hunter Biden.
00:37:51.000There is no doubt that everybody in the world, including in the U.S.
00:37:54.000media and the British media along with it, would be drawing that link, that this is a repayment for that bribe.
00:38:00.000But today, if I'm saying that in a speech in Iowa, it's beyond the pale.
00:38:05.000And MSNBC can trot out Chris Christie to pretend to be bipartisan.
00:38:09.000You know, guy who comes out every four years like a bear from hibernation to, you know, growl and complain about, you know, whatever MSNBC tells him to complain about, to talk about me.
00:38:42.000And yet, we have a neocon establishment in both parties.
00:38:47.000Sometimes in this Republican primary, I feel like I might as well be running against Joe Biden and Liz Cheney, because the rest of the field, even though as much as they'll pay lip service to criticizing Joe Biden, is really just saying the same thing.
00:39:00.000And it is just another symptom, Russell, of that deeper corruption.
00:39:05.000And so I don't like it when other Republicans, you know, talk a big game and then when push comes to shove, you know, will tell, you know, maybe Tucker Carlson what he wants to hear when Tucker still had his show, but when their donors pat them on the back say, well, you know, I didn't really mean what I said about Ukraine.
00:39:22.000And I think we've lacked that for a very long time, and I appreciate that about people like you, or Tucker, or otherwise, in the world you're in.
00:39:30.000Even though the media has had its own backlash against you, you guys continue to speak.
00:39:34.000In the political world, that doesn't exist, actually.
00:39:37.000Everybody else just lines up like pawns, like supplicating lapdogs, when the moment calls and the super PAC class says you've gone too far.
00:39:46.000And I'm not dependent on that super PAC class.
00:39:52.000And that's the choice we actually face.
00:39:54.000And what you represent, or what Tucker Carlson represents, which is essential, or even Jordan Peterson represents in the world of media, that is vital.
00:40:03.000That does not exist even in the Republican Party today, let alone in the political establishment.
00:40:09.000And that is what gives me my sense of duty to see this through.
00:40:14.000What that suggests to me is that you indeed, in order to deliver on just the content of our conversation today on your birthday, Vivek, would have to stand on a manifesto of revolution rather than reform.
00:40:30.000Now, how can we be confident given many of the conversations that have taken place since 2020?
00:40:36.000That a candidate with such an egregiously anti-establishment offering would be granted a judicial and fair electoral process.
00:40:48.000Are you confident that in the event that you were running saying that you're going to shut down the FBI, you're going to punish Big Pharma, you're going to close down military-industrial complex's ability to have favourable wars as business as usual for America, That the Democrat establishment and the deep state establishment and the media establishment would allow and enable a fair election?
00:41:11.000Are you confident that the 2024 elections will be fair, not fraudulent?
00:41:17.000That a candidate such as yourself would be allowed to win?
00:41:21.000Are you confident there would be no electoral meddling?
00:41:24.000Can you safely say that were you to gain sufficient votes, you would be the candidate that ascends
00:41:30.000on the dawn of this new revolutionary era that you describe?
00:41:34.000Or do you imagine that these institutions and machines would do whatever's in their
00:41:37.000power and we know what's being discussed at the moment, you know what would be subjudicial
00:41:42.000even to discuss in the case of Donald Trump, that perhaps what he's doing is a bit of a
00:42:29.000But whichever puppet they put up, I think I'm the only candidate in this race that can actually deliver a landslide election, a Reagan 1980-style landslide.
00:43:12.000The threshold for making the Republican debate stage, which others like Vice President Pence just barely skirted past, was 40,000 unique donors.
00:43:23.000But 40,000 of them, our first time, excuse me, 40% of them, it's about 40, you know, 40% of the donors I have, our first time ever, ever in their life history, donors to the Republican Party.
00:43:38.000Normally, that number is 2% for a normal Republican.
00:43:43.000We're already bringing people along, especially young people, who would have never thought of themselves voting for a Republican, because my ideas aren't really Republican ideas.
00:44:26.000It is the managerial class in the deep state that's actually running the show, and so we have to explain to the public why you can't just reform that deep state.
00:44:34.000How shutting it down will revive the economy, will make your life better, put more dollars in your pocket, more importantly, restore accountability in government, restore a three-branch constitutional republic that we fought a revolution for, that our founding fathers fought for.
00:44:48.000Explain that, and we win this election in a landslide.
00:44:51.000It's not about Republicans and Democrats and about the radical Biden agenda.
00:45:56.000Okay, if the left really believes the reason we can't have this conversation on YouTube is that supposedly even talking about the subject of election integrity is a threat to our democracy, as you'll hear on a given day of the week.
00:46:08.000Funniest expression you'll hear, and there's so much wrong with it.
00:46:12.000We live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
00:47:11.000If it's really that much of a threat to our democracy, this should be a very practical solution to deliver.
00:47:15.000Paper ballots, single-day voting, on election day, which I'm open to make a national holiday, And government issued ID to match the voter file.
00:47:43.000So inherently, an inability or an unwillingness to hold, let's call them analog elections that are trackable and observable, suggests that there is the potential and has been the potential for electoral corruption digitally undertaken.
00:49:27.000It's funny, I say that in a joking spirit, but...
00:49:30.000The truth to it is that if it's designed to be boring, if it's designed to sound technocratic and put you to sleep, they want to bore you into submission for a reason.
00:49:41.000And so my general rule of thumb is the more boring it sounds, the more attention we actually have to pay to it to preserve our liberty.
00:49:49.000And the international institutions, WHO, all the way up to and including the UN, are absolutely on that list for me.
00:50:46.000So I made most of my money through building a biotech company that I built from scratch.
00:50:52.000Oversaw the development of drugs that Big Pharma had literally, and Big Pharma behaves in a coordinated way.
00:50:57.000They decide that they all want to fail in the same ways or succeed in the same ways so that no one stands out from the pack.
00:51:04.000It's almost a form of, it's like a cartel.
00:51:06.000It's coordinated behavior and it's a regulated industry.
00:51:09.000That created opportunity for me to say, there are drugs in areas that Big Pharma has abandoned.
00:51:14.000I'm going to call their bluff and develop them.
00:51:16.000And there are some individual good people who inside those companies were sounding the alarm, we actually brought with us.
00:51:22.000All of whom actually had the chance to work on those drugs under my umbrella.
00:51:25.000Five of those are FDA-approved products today.
00:51:28.000We spent far more money and time than we had to because of a cumbersome FDA, but we got through the process.
00:51:34.000One's a life-saving therapy in kids, 20 of whom die of a genetic disease every year if they're not treated, one of which is for prostate cancer, a bunch for women's health conditions, endometriosis, uterine fibroids, one for psoriasis, And that's a $9 billion public company today.
00:51:52.000I also founded a company called Strive.
00:51:54.000It's an asset management firm that competes with the likes of BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard by offering an alternative set of index funds.
00:52:04.000The index funds offered by the big guys, they all push these companies to advance ESG values, environmental and social left-wing agendas in corporate America's boardrooms through their votes.
00:52:16.000The index funds that I launched, or that Strive launched, that's the company I co-founded, tell these companies, no, knock it off with the politics, just focus on value.
00:52:26.000Make products and services, maximize value, that's it.
00:52:30.000That's been thankfully a success as well.
00:52:50.000That's been my formula for building multiple successful companies.
00:52:53.000And that's how I live the American dream.
00:52:55.000What do you think about people in Congress trading in stocks and shares that they regulate, or even the sort of, if not nepotistic, somewhat uneasy expenditure of, for example, the Pelosi's.
00:53:05.000Not that I'm alleging that anything corrupt happens between Nancy Pelosi and Paul Pelosi, but his ongoing investment and success in big tech companies when she has the regulatory capacity that she does within Congress around those institutions.
00:53:16.000Would you do anything to prevent people in Congress buying and selling stocks in companies that they're involved in the regulation of?
00:53:26.000I actually talked about this in my second book, Nation of Victims.
00:53:29.000I just think it doesn't make any sense.
00:53:30.000And this is why, even though it's not legally required, you know, even before I started this presidential campaign, I put my personal investment portfolio, I put a third person in charge of it, who trades that portfolio, because why?
00:53:57.000These are not people who should be trying to tinker around in the stock market.
00:54:00.000The only way they're going to make money is if it was based on information that they have that's asymmetric.
00:54:04.000Otherwise, they're going to do worse than a monkey throwing darts at a target.
00:54:08.000Okay, so that's a monkey would be better picking their stocks than they would be unless it was for corrupt reasons.
00:54:15.000And so why even foster the appearance of that corruption?
00:54:17.000That's part of what public service is about.
00:54:20.000I'm open to a conversation to say that, OK, well, should their pay increases keep up with inflation?
00:54:24.000You know, I don't love that, but that's a small, tiny fraction of the federal budget.
00:54:28.000And if that's a trade for actually keeping out the corruption that otherwise finds itself in for people to say, well, I need to make money through the back door instead.
00:54:36.000That's going to be a good thing for the country.
00:55:26.000You know, like, this is the first I've heard of it.
00:55:28.000You know, like, Chris... I'm in contact with Chris Pavlovsky, who's the CEO.
00:55:32.000It's the first I've heard that you've invested, so, uh, congratulations and thank you.
00:55:36.000Lady Gray 312 says monopolies are the root of all evil and this is from Make It Pop.
00:55:42.000In response to your defunding of organizations extraneous to the US, I expect, would you include Israel in this defunding tenure that you discussed with regard to the WHO?
00:55:56.000If you would end the war between Ukraine and Russia or at least stop funding it, what would you do about America's ongoing funding of Israel?
00:56:03.000To be clear, I would end the war in Ukraine and Russia.
00:56:06.000It's not that I would just stop defunding it.
00:56:08.000I would negotiate a deal, and I just want to quickly hit this because it's probably the most important point that we haven't touched.
00:56:15.000The deal I would negotiate is freeze the current lines of control, make a hard commitment that NATO will not admit Ukraine to NATO, But in return, pull Russia out of its military alliance with China.
00:56:47.000I can dive deeper on that if others are interested, but it is a super important plank of my foreign policy vision, which is based on a modern Monroe Doctrine, which is to say that where we spend our money is you don't mess with the United States of America on our own soil with Chinese spy balloons or spy bases in Cuba or pumping intentionally, you know, violence into our country across our southern border.
00:57:09.000Now, as it relates to Israel, my view is, I ask the question, there's no North Star commitment to any one country other than the United States of America.
00:58:08.000It's good for the rest of the Middle East.
00:58:09.000It's good for us, such that come 2028, that additional aid won't be necessary in order to still have the kind of stability that we'd actually have in the Middle East by having Israel more integrated in with its partners.
00:58:22.000And I think that the Trump administration took a first step getting Bahrain and some other countries.
00:58:39.000The revolutionary agenda that you espouse, in particular with regard to destabilizing, disbanding the deep state, a reckoning around Big Pharma, redressing the forever wars of your great nation, these all seem radical policies and ideas, and all ideas that I agree with.
00:59:00.000I wonder though, when you talk about The void that perhaps woke politics is filling, like a need for purpose and meaning.
00:59:09.000Many of the ideas that you have conversationally referenced are traditional ideas.
00:59:20.000But in terms of a forward-looking vision for America, aside from reverence for the great ancestors and for parents of your nation, What in particular do you regard as being new about American civic life and cultural life that you would offer?
00:59:36.000Something for American people to walk towards?
00:59:40.000Yes, so I think there's a few basic principles.
00:59:47.000That you get ahead and get however far you want to, not in the color of your skin, but in the content of your character and your contributions.
01:00:21.000But at the same time, that individualist, rugged individual being free to achieve, unshackled by whatever the government tells you to do, that's one part of the American identity that I want to revive, create, run to.
01:01:03.000Citizenship isn't just about inheriting a bunch of rights, it comes with duties attached to those privileges as well.
01:01:10.000I think every high school student in this country should be able to pass the same civics test that an immigrant has to pass, is today required to pass, in order to become a citizen of our nation.
01:01:21.000I think that that should be tied even to earning the civic privileges up to and including the right to vote.
01:01:26.000I think that it is important for people to know something about a country.
01:01:29.000And if they don't know that country, then at least serve that country in some minimal way, whatever that is.
01:02:09.000Sometimes when two parents get into a struggle, a little tussle, they run roughshod over each other.
01:02:13.000Sometimes you need to keep them apart.
01:02:15.000And so I think the right answer is not to force capitalism and democracy to share the same bed.
01:02:19.000What we actually need is maybe a clean divorce, maybe some social distancing between the two.
01:02:25.000But that's the vision I'm running to, a revival of both rugged individualism, unbridled pursuit of excellence.
01:02:31.000Yes, capitalism and free market capitalism is a part of that, but also reviving the civic duties we have as citizens and our capacity as citizens in a constitutional republic.
01:02:41.000Both of those are what it actually means to be an American.
01:02:44.000And I know that's a little philosophical, but it just gives you a sense for where my headspace is.
01:02:49.000We have all kinds of practical ways to make that real.
01:02:52.000But, you know, I think you're asking me to go a little deeper there, and that's where my head is.
01:02:56.000That's a fantastic way to conclude our conversation and what a wonderful way to end our week on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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01:03:33.000To follow up on one of the parts of our conversation, we've taken an incredibly deep scrutinizing look at one particular case where the FBI have been proven to have generated a conspiracy before arresting its participants.
01:03:49.000When you apply the mentality that created the Newburgh 4 scandal to the January 6 events, you are left with some pretty incredible questions.
01:03:58.000You are not going to want to miss this.
01:04:41.000Yeah, I'm being reductive, but things like that have happened.
01:04:44.000So, today we're going to be talking about the Neuberg We're asking you the question, and I want you to answer in the comments, who's a bigger threat to democracy?
01:04:51.000and conviction was somewhat dubious because of FBI tactics.
01:04:55.000And we'll be talking about how Donald Trump's accusation might be a little murky and difficult to prove
01:05:01.000as long as we know that the FBI were there that day and involved.
01:05:05.000We're asking you the question, and I want you to answer in the comments,
01:05:08.000who's a bigger threat to democracy, Donald Trump or the FBI?
01:05:11.000A victory in court for three men convicted in a terrorism sting more than a decade ago.
01:05:17.000Police arrested the men last night as they were allegedly planting what they thought were real bombs outside a Jewish temple.
01:05:23.000A federal judge ordering the release of Anta Williams, David Williams, and Laguerre Payne, three of the men known as the Newburgh Four, arrested for a plot to blow up synagogues in New York City and shoot down National Guard planes in upstate New York.
01:05:37.000Obviously, when we see something like that on the news, we think, what?
01:05:40.000Terrible people putting bombs outside of synagogues.
01:05:48.000How did they find themselves in the position of planting bombs outside synagogues?
01:05:52.000Obviously, an egregious and criminal act.
01:05:55.000You'd want to know, of course, that those people were entirely guilty, came up with the idea themselves.
01:06:00.000And you'd certainly want to be assured that the FBI weren't involved in the instigation Implication planning and executing of that crime.
01:06:08.000Particularly when much of the information around January the 6th is dependent on FBI information and us having deep faith and trust in deep state operations.
01:06:19.000Why were there so many FBI agents there and what was their role in January the 6th?
01:06:43.000District Judge Colleen McMahon accusing FBI agents of trying to arrest petty criminals by radicalizing the men to participate in a plot she called an FBI-orchestrated conspiracy.
01:06:59.000So these four men were petty criminals, and criminality is criminality.
01:07:03.000But if indeed, as appears to be the case, based on the release of these men, the FBI orchestrated the plot, then what you have is an egregious crime created by the FBI, then solved by the FBI.
01:07:18.000If the FBI did that, you can never say, the FBI would never do anything like that.
01:07:28.000You can't say that January the 6th was some spontaneous rioters and insurrectionists and they had a deliberate plan to take over and usurp democracy and Donald Trump caused it.
01:07:37.000You have to, even if all those things are true, you have to say, what was the role of the FBI?
01:07:47.000And have they never done anything like that before?
01:07:49.000Oh, well, we did have to release a bunch of guys after 10 years incarceration because it's now been, if not publicly proven, it's plainly true that they're in prison because of a crime that wouldn't have happened without the FBI's involvement.
01:08:04.000I think we're all aware that since 9-11, agencies have behaved in more interventionist, more insidious and manipulative ways.
01:08:15.000But we also know that since 9-11, the Deep State have taken advantage of that situation through surveillance, through censorship, and through operations such as the Newburgh 4 operation, which has now been proven to be potentially criminal.
01:08:29.000McMahon adding quote the real lead conspirator was the United States.
01:08:33.000Imagine that mentality and those words being applied to a variety of situations.
01:08:39.000When that Newburgh 4 event went down we'd have all watched the news and gone oh those terrible guys trying to blow up a synagogue.
01:08:45.000The lead conspirator was the United States.
01:08:48.000Now January 6th is a much But how many times do you need to go through this?
01:08:55.000How many times do you need to see the building blocks laid out of how these things work?
01:09:00.000Obviously to say that January 6th was a confection and construction of the FBI would be a very irresponsible thing to say, certainly without evidence.
01:09:06.000But you can't take it off the table when you know that the FBI do things like this as a matter of course.
01:09:12.000Consider too, that when the whistleblowers from the FBI, Garrett O'Boyle and Stephen Friend came forward, do you remember?
01:09:41.000They were vilified, ignored, made homeless in the So consider the mentality of the media and the state when it comes to how whistleblowers are treated in cases like this.
01:09:50.000So now we know the FBI have done it before, some whistleblowers from the FBI have come forward and they were of course listened to and they're oh they were ignored and shut down.
01:09:59.000So now you've just got to ask yourself the question are we going to investigate that in the same way that Donald Trump is being investigated?
01:10:06.000Are we not going to apply the same judicial lens of scrutiny to all of the potential factors in creating the events of January 6th?
01:10:13.000That sounds like strong language, but it's just a pure description of the facts of this case.
01:10:18.000The judge also accusing the FBI of using a quote, villain of an informant to prey on the poor, then manipulate the men to commit a fake crime in exchange for cash, materials, and even groceries.
01:10:32.000The United States are not alone in operations of this nature.
01:10:34.000Our country, the United Kingdom, are famed for doing stuff like that with Irish civilians in the 1970s, creating scenarios and situations where it was easy to make necessary arrests, where there was an appetite to arrest people, there was a requirement to arrest people, so they created the conditions where those arrests were possible.
01:10:52.000It's not just America that does this, it's the deep state that does this.
01:10:55.000Now when we're talking about globalism, what we're essentially saying is that there are powerful or pervasive corporate interests and cooperating deep state interests.
01:11:03.000I give you but one example, the Five Eyes nations cooperate with exchanges of data.
01:11:07.000So there's a pervasive, prevailing, deep state mentality that operates as the true government, the true power behind the irrelevant switcheroos of democratic process.
01:11:17.000Every step of the way was all the FBI.
01:11:20.000These guys couldn't, they had no driver's licenses.
01:11:23.000They couldn't find Google Maps of where these targets are that the FBI informant told them to use.
01:11:28.000I mean, they came up with not one single part of this plot.
01:11:44.000As for the Williamses and Payne, their 25-year sentence is pulled back to 90 days, giving lawyers and officials time to prepare for their release, according to the judge, their attorney hoping for more compassionate releases in the future.
01:11:58.000I think that the FBI is still doing and has been doing a lot of these unfair sting cases where they prey on mentally ill young men Unfair stings on mentally ill people.
01:12:13.000It's bad enough that in this case those four men will never get those ten years of their life back and who can conceive of the trauma they would have experienced in jail?
01:12:22.000But perhaps more significant and yet more terrifying is that the mentality that created those conditions, that committed that atrocity, are still operating So when you apply this to the January 6th situation, you have to at least be open to the possibility that there's more to it than meets the eye.
01:12:34.000forward to going, we're never going to do stuff like that again, I don't know what happened,
01:12:37.000we got carried away, that was absolutely crazy, I'm so sorry. Because they can't say that,
01:12:40.000because that is the way that they operate. So when you apply this to the January 6th
01:12:45.000situation, you have to at least be open to the possibility that there's more to it than
01:12:49.000meets the eye. And certainly, there is no reason for us to automatically trust a government
01:12:54.000that we know lies to us, a media that we know are dishonest, and deep state agencies that
01:12:57.000are demonstrably and obviously corrupt.
01:13:00.000We've reached out to the FBI and Department of Justice, but have not heard back.
01:13:07.000Let's have a look at some additional details about January the 6th and the Newburgh 4 case and see what other patterns and connections we can spot and what other questions that leads us to.
01:13:15.000Dozens of undercover agents and confidential human informants from multiple law enforcement agencies were present.
01:13:22.000Court documents indicate that there were FBI informants in two of the groups that organised the riot, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.
01:13:28.000We'll never know for sure what the role of those informants was, will we?
01:13:33.000We'll never know for sure unless there's a whistleblower who comes forward and says, well, within the Proud Boys, this guy was really keen.
01:13:44.000At best, the riot was a massive security failure.
01:13:46.000At worst, informants may have encouraged rioters to enter the Capitol.
01:13:50.000A lot of people have said that that was the case.
01:13:53.000It's not been proven, and we're certainly not saying that it's true.
01:13:56.000But we are now going to talk about the case of the Newburgh 4, in which the FBI, the same FBI, do not cover themselves in glory.
01:14:02.000A federal judge on Thursday ordered the compassionate release of three Hudson Valley men who were part of a group known as the Newburgh Four.
01:14:10.000It's not really a compassionate release, is it?
01:14:12.000They were unjustly imprisoned after being manipulated by the deep state.
01:14:29.000All of the language around this stuff keeps us in a position of subjugation and bafflement.
01:14:33.000After finding that FBI agents used an unscrupulous operative to persuade them to join a plot to blow up synagogues and bring down military planes more than a decade ago.
01:14:46.000That's taxpayer dollars funding bizarre, wacky, sting operations that are costly, unjust, inefficient, pointless, ridiculous, cause social tension.
01:14:56.000Does any of this sound like stuff that might go on around, I don't know, early January?
01:15:00.000The decision by Judge Colleen McMahon of the United States District Court in Manhattan was scathing in its description of the methods used by the FBI in its pursuit of the free.
01:15:10.000On to Williams, Laguerre-Payenne and David Williams.
01:15:13.000Calling the plot in which they were convicted of participating in 2010 an FBI orchestrated conspiracy.
01:15:19.000So we know then that the FBI do orchestrate plots.
01:15:23.000Just as a side note, when you're looking at the behaviour of pharmaceutical companies during the last three years, do you think it's relevant that they participated in the opioid crisis in the way that they did?
01:15:33.000Do you think it's relevant that they've had to make out-of-court settlements to the tune of billions previously?
01:15:38.000Do you want to just ignore that information now that it's not convenient?
01:15:42.000Because the mainstream media want you to ignore that information.
01:15:45.000And in the same way, they want you to ignore this information now.
01:15:48.000Why on Morning Joe and CNN and all those shows and channels are they not saying, listen, even though we have reason to believe that Donald Trump behaved inappropriately or not in a traditional or conventional way, we have to also let you know, because we're journalists and we care about truth, that there were FBI operatives there and you know that the FBI have been involved in immoral things before.
01:16:08.000So we're just going to investigate that as well, while simultaneously saying that we don't agree with the way that Donald Trump behaved.
01:16:13.000The fact that they can't say that Does not engender trust, does it?
01:16:17.000A person reading the crimes of conviction in this case would be left with the impression that the offending defendants were sophisticated international terrorists committed to jihad against the United States.
01:16:27.000Very curious, very evocative, very, very wrong.
01:16:39.000So they took four guys who were poor and desperate and manipulated them into participating in a plot that just would not have happened without the FBI's involvement.
01:16:50.000So listen, this is the Newberg 4 now, not January 6, this is the Newberg 4.
01:16:53.000Swap the number 6 for the number 4 and the word January for the word Newberg.
01:16:59.000The FBI invented the conspiracy, identified the targets, and manufactured the ordinance, Judge McMahon wrote.
01:17:05.000Adding that officials had federalized the charges, ensuring long prison sentences by driving several of the men across state lines into Connecticut to view the bombs.
01:17:13.000This is an unusual route to the synagogue!
01:18:56.000We're just going to take a trip to Connecticut.
01:18:58.000Had the government not contrived its elaborate sting operation, it's highly likely that the defendants would have lived out their lives in Newburgh, quite possibly doing life on the instalment plan as they cycled in and out of jail for a string of petty offences, she wrote, but never committing a crime remotely like what they became involved in.
01:19:12.000So in a sense there's some deeper social analysis that could be undertaken here about the kind of people that live lives where criminality and desperation necessarily intersect because society doesn't afford them proper opportunity and we can get into that another time.
01:19:25.000What seems more significant to me is that there is definite proof that the FBI are an agency who do not see it as being beyond their remit to instruct and carry out sting operations that are contrived and elaborate Simply in order to meet their own ends.
01:19:41.000Luckily though, we've got definitive proof that they've only ever done that once and would never do it again.
01:19:46.000And it's not like there's been whistleblowers coming out of the FBI, specifically around the matter of January 6th, saying that the operations were conducted in a way that made them uneasy, unhappy, and were clearly politically motivated.
01:19:59.000So when we're talking about power, remember, the deep state, corporate interests, and media operate in conjunction to prevent true democratic process taking place, true conversation happening, and they prevent us from making the necessary links between the previous actions of, say, corporations or, say, the FBI, and what's happening right now.