Stay Free - Russel Brand - Neil Oliver on the Rise of Independent Media, Cultural Awakening & Fighting Centralized Power –SF498

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00:01:16.000 Hello, you Awakening Wonders fans.

00:01:28.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand and what an extraordinary episode it is.

00:01:33.000 Have you wondered what a Scottish mystic might make of all these bizarre globalist events unfolding right now?

00:01:40.000 Extraordinarily, mysteriously, potentially occultistically.

00:01:44.000 Well, Neil Oliver's got some perspectives on how global power will shift and manoeuvre after the Trump-MAGA ascent.

00:01:52.000 Are there things he's disappointed in?

00:01:54.000 Are there things he's excited about?

00:01:55.000 And how will it affect the UK and the rest of the world?

00:01:57.000 Because if globalism means one thing, it means the entire planet and centralised systems of power.

00:02:03.000 How does it affect the farming protests?

00:02:05.000 How does it affect Christianity?

00:02:07.000 How does it affect those of us that once were content to look at the world from an entirely material and rational perspective, to start to recognize that it seems that dark power is at work?

00:02:17.000 If you've not watched Neil Oliver before, you might know him from GB News.

00:02:20.000 You might know him as the Coast Guy on X.

00:02:22.000 He is an excellent and brilliant commentator, beloved by many people in power in secret, and I would say one of the most significant broadcasters to emerge out of the pandemic period.

00:02:31.000 For the first 15 minutes, we'll be on YouTube.

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00:02:46.000 And if you're not on Awake and Wonder yet, become one now and see my conversation with Jack Posobiec, as well as a fantastic conversation coming up with Jonathan Peugeot, where we talk about Christianity from a variety of perspectives, but mostly how a resurgent Christianity will affect and impact politics, not the other way around. but mostly how a resurgent Christianity will affect and impact But without any further hullabaloo or senseless nonsense, let's welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand, Neil, I think my name is, Neil Oliver.

00:03:13.000 Neil, thanks so much for joining us.

00:03:15.000 I know that you're sort of in a state of bewilderment, I know that our country, the UK, seems sort of like chaotic and creepy and that there are sort of like high profile stories about the murder of children.

00:03:29.000 Where there's the sense that not all is being revealed to the public.

00:03:33.000 I also know that sort of the election of Trump is kind of one of the Clear positives is it demonstrates the power of independent media versus what you might call centralized, you know, legacy media.

00:03:46.000 Whether you like Trump or don't like Trump, what is clear now is that the axis between state and media is no longer sufficiently powerful to control the outcome of elections.

00:04:00.000 Something that we start to suspect, you know, may be with Napster.

00:04:04.000 Then the Occupy movement, then the Arab Spring, then Brexit, then Trump 2016, and now Trump 2024. And whatever these powers are that seek to prevent these kind of popular online movements gaining traction, they must now be terrified that in the UK there could be...

00:04:21.000 Popular, dissenting, disobedient uprisings that could get political traction.

00:04:26.000 Across the world, everyone must be feeling that.

00:04:29.000 How do you feel, in particular, Neil, that the election of Trump, and I know there are aspects of that that you'll have questions about, some of his appointments, for example, but how is that affecting directly the area in which much of your political expertise is spent?

00:04:48.000 UK politics.

00:04:54.000 The form of words you used, I hadn't thought about, or it hadn't crystallised for me, that the election of Trump is a victory for, or a demonstration of the power of the alternative independent media.

00:05:11.000 I think I knew that, but I hadn't actually the thought crystallised for me.

00:05:16.000 But that in and of itself is a victory, because I'm sure the deep state or whatever wanted and intended the election to go in another direction.

00:05:30.000 There's absolutely a rising awareness in the UK, a rising tide of discontent.

00:05:39.000 It's being felt, manifest among more and more people.

00:05:44.000 On the 19th of the month, just a day or two ago, there was the first of the big farmers' protests in London.

00:05:55.000 Tens of thousands, let's say, of the disaffected, of those affected by the imposition of the inheritance tax on family farms and all of the rest of it gathered in London.

00:06:06.000 People are definitely, you know, sounding off on social media.

00:06:11.000 To the extent that the judiciary, which is in somebody's pocket or under somebody's influence, is sending to jail people who are posting unwanted opinions on social media, while space is made for those people in those prisons by the freeing early of Often violent criminals.

00:06:33.000 There is without a doubt a tide rising, and I think it's unstoppable.

00:06:40.000 It's all across Europe.

00:06:41.000 We've seen the increased vote for so-called populist parties from east to west across Europe.

00:06:50.000 And the increasingly futile, blatantly futile attempts by the incumbent legacy politicians to thwart the intentions of more and more of the people.

00:07:04.000 There has been a change in the wind, and you can feel it.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, there really has.

00:07:13.000 Just thinking then that you're a person like me that's gone from having a relatively comfortable role in the culture.

00:07:21.000 Some people might not know that your early popularity was based on quite pastoral and folkish broadcasting around fascinatingly rendered stories about ghosts and the supernatural and British landmarks and British history.

00:07:40.000 And that you are a patron of significant ecological organisations in your country, Scotland.

00:07:48.000 And now, when I talk to you, like that brilliant clip in that Scottish comedy show demonstrated, we're like druid hysterics on the edge of the culture.

00:08:03.000 Me, I was a sort of a harmless and hapless Hollywood hero for want of a better alliterative construction.

00:08:12.000 And now, an attacked, maligned, outspoken, smeared and much disgust and in some course deeply loathed online pundit and whack job.

00:08:24.000 Although I did see on the front of private eye, I'm being considered for Archbishop of Canterbury.

00:08:29.000 So like, at least for one of the candidates, one of the candidates, Neil, so.

00:08:33.000 Good luck with that.

00:08:37.000 At least you've accepted Christianity, which is something that the previous incumbent of the Post did not seem to have done.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm an upgrade in regard that I believe in Jesus Christ, which you would think would be the minimum requirement for the Archbishop of Canterbury.

00:09:00.000 So, Neil, I wonder how you, like me, are coping as you, you know, while you're affiliated with and very successful on GB News, which is a sort of a growing online British media platform, How are you continuing to cope with this position?

00:09:20.000 And now that we've touched on the subject of Christianity, how are you bringing together your previous experience, which was always excellent at bringing together mythical themes, historical themes, and contemporary meaning and challenges?

00:09:34.000 How are you going to bring together, and how do you continue to bring together those kind of sometimes arcane, and I don't mean that pejoratively, ideas with the ongoing political discourse?

00:09:46.000 Say, when it comes to something like farmers' protests and the power of agriculture, or why those movements are global.

00:09:54.000 Let's start there.

00:09:56.000 Well, the kind of television, documentary television, soft pastoral television that I was involved with for years, decades, I suppose if it had a unifying theme, there was something celebratory about it.

00:10:14.000 You know, it was about encouraging people to pay attention to the landscape Pay attention to the depth of history and archaeology.

00:10:24.000 There was always supposed to be a note of awe.

00:10:29.000 Trying to inspire people to look again at landmarks and stories from history that they might have vaguely known, largely forgotten, but it's always timely to look again at some of those things.

00:10:42.000 That was the idea that underpinned a lot of what I was trying to do.

00:10:46.000 Now he cast...

00:10:48.000 In unlikely, in this unlikely way, this unasked for way into the role of contrarian and, you know, as you say, you know, dismissed and ridiculed, you know, in the pages of national newspapers and my ethics questioned, my sanity questioned and all of the rest of it.

00:11:08.000 In order to try and make sense of that, I continue to reflect on the past and on the landscape.

00:11:15.000 We're just mentioning the farmers and farming.

00:11:18.000 I come from an archaeological background academically.

00:11:23.000 I've been telling stories for the longest time about the advent of farming in this part of the world.

00:11:30.000 We've been farming this part of the world one way and another for several thousand years.

00:11:37.000 And so many of the landmarks with which people are familiar in this part of the world, Stonehenge and Avebury, the Chamber Tombs, so much that people celebrate in the British landscape, were the work of farmers.

00:11:51.000 And when I think about the fact now that farmers are being driven off the land, the resident government, the resident A quasi-communist regime is seeking to grab the land, drive the people off the land who've been there from a time beyond the reach of memory.

00:12:13.000 It becomes so moving because it is of course of huge significance to the people there now, those people who expected in due course to hand on the farms and the traditions to their children and their children's children.

00:12:27.000 It's intensely important and moving and But when you know that it comes on the tail end of thousands of years of occupation of the land by people who have used that landscape to feed the people, today's generations of farmers become part of something much grander, much bigger, much more deeply rooted.

00:12:51.000 And the idea that here today, gone tomorrow, politicians would seek to uproot all of that, when all of the recent history of our species, certainly in the 20th century, has shown that any regime seeking to displace the farmers, to collectivise farming, to centralise the creation and distribution of food, is murderous.

00:13:13.000 You've only got to look back at what Stalin did in Ukraine and in that part of Russia.

00:13:20.000 You know, that led to the deaths of millions.

00:13:23.000 And not by accident, but deliberately.

00:13:25.000 It was a deliberate campaign to destroy the so-called kulaks, the slightly better off farming community there. 1.00

00:13:32.000 But tens of millions of people died.

00:13:35.000 Mao did the same thing in China.

00:13:37.000 Centralised and collectivised farming, leading to a mountain of corpses, and that Keir Starmer, leading a Labour Party, a so-called Labour Party in Britain, would seek to uproot all of that by this inheritance tax, which will inevitably drive people off of the land and, God knows, drive many of them to suicide and everything else.

00:13:56.000 It takes on a depth of wickedness that, frankly, is hard to process.

00:14:03.000 But that way that I feel about that comes from the fact that I did spend decades celebrating the landscape, not seeking to push people off of it.

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00:14:34.000 Sorry about that, Neil.

00:14:35.000 Let's get back to what we were discussing.

00:14:37.000 Do you think that it's...

00:14:39.000 Do you think that the reason there's farming protests all over the world is because there's some global concerted effort to gain control over the land?

00:14:48.000 And how do we, like, reconcile, like, watching clips on the BBC of farm protests ripping up London, or stuff we've seen on French news are the same, or stuff in Sri Lanka or India, or, you know, just happening all over the world, with, like...

00:15:05.000 What appears to be a global agenda, isn't this exactly the reason that, you know, like until God, the obvious changes that are taking place in media, independent media, and the obvious supremacy of the latter, aren't these the very kind of tropes, Neil, that get men like you and I labeled conspiracy theorists and worse?

00:15:26.000 Like the idea that there's an attempt, that the inheritance tax, you know, if you see Victoria Derbyshire talking to Clarkson, what she's saying is the inheritance tax is to generate revenue so that people's GP appointments come round in a more timely fashion.

00:15:41.000 By the way, she's saying that on a taxpayer-funded state-run media organisation, the BBC, is there's one little tax cut that could be made.

00:15:51.000 I just wonder how you reconcile something as practical, bureaucratic, tedious, if punitive as the inheritance tax with what seems to be a broader global agenda.

00:16:05.000 Well, it's facile by Derbyshire that you mentioned, the BBC journalist, but she's only repeating what Chancellor Rachel Reeves, whatever, has been given a bit of paper with a script on it to read out.

00:16:22.000 But by 2030, the inheritance tax might have raised 500-odd million pounds.

00:16:29.000 Which is enough to keep the NHS running for one day and two hours.

00:16:35.000 You know, if you compare it, if you look at the costs of the NHS at the moment.

00:16:41.000 So that basic financial justification for the inheritance tax is utterly, utterly meaningless.

00:16:48.000 And so you can set that aside and then you have to ask yourself the question, then why else would you do it?

00:16:52.000 Why else would you seek to undermine the farming community that has been on the land, managing and looking after the landscape and feeding the people generation after generation for thousands of years?

00:17:05.000 Why would you do that?

00:17:06.000 And then, and in that context, it looks like much less of a conspiracy theory to suggest that there must be a bigger agenda.

00:17:14.000 And the bigger agenda is to take control of everything.

00:17:17.000 It's becoming inescapable.

00:17:20.000 That conclusion is becoming inescapable.

00:17:24.000 The creation and the distribution of money was robbed from the people in America just over 100 years ago.

00:17:35.000 In Britain, at the end of the 17th century, the same thing happened with the creation of the Bank of England.

00:17:41.000 So that was the taking away from the people of the control of the creation of and the distribution of money.

00:17:47.000 Energy is being centralised, energy supply, this ridiculous fantasy of renewable energy.

00:17:54.000 That's just a way to profit from the creation of energy. 0.66

00:18:00.000 And now, clearly, there's an attempt to centralise the...

00:18:05.000 The growing of crops and the husbanding of flocks and herds, because to let the people be in control of that provides them with a level of independence from the state.

00:18:18.000 It's becoming inescapable to draw the conclusion that the intention is to make the mass of the population dependent in every conceivable way upon the state.

00:18:32.000 You will need to look to us for the education of your children.

00:18:35.000 You will need to look to us for the stability of your communities.

00:18:39.000 You'll need to look to us for energy, to us for food.

00:18:43.000 Because it's coming from a mindset of a minority of, frankly, psychopathic, or at the very least sociopathic, individuals Who can't sleep at night for wanting to control not just what people do every moment of every day, but what people think and say.

00:19:01.000 And that's manifesting itself in the censorship and the silencing of opinions that don't suit I mean, call me, I've been called a conspiracy theorist, I've been called a lot worse.

00:19:10.000 And frankly, it's a badge of honour.

00:19:13.000 If you're not conspiring now, you've got a lot of catching up to do.

00:19:16.000 Here's what I'd like to call you.

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00:20:48.000 Now, I really enjoyed your analysis there where you talked about...

00:20:54.000 A sort of continuum between dependency, help and control.

00:21:00.000 The creation of dependency legitimizes help and the help sort of bleeds into control.

00:21:07.000 Control when it comes to what information we can believe through censorship.

00:21:12.000 Control when it comes to the generation of new people.

00:21:15.000 Currencies, CBDCs, control when it comes to what can be taken into our bodies in response to crises, obviously the pandemic.

00:21:23.000 The aim is always control.

00:21:25.000 The method is always help.

00:21:28.000 The requirement is always to create a crisis that legitimizes that flow.

00:21:33.000 What seems interesting though, Neil, is concurrent with these sort of rapacious sets of control-oriented systems that Is the possibility for their opposite.

00:21:45.000 The possibility for real freedom.

00:21:47.000 And I just mean in terms of utility and the utensils.

00:21:51.000 Like technology and communication.

00:21:52.000 They could create control.

00:21:53.000 Now the reason I think it's biasing towards the paradigm you described.

00:21:58.000 Dependency, help, control.

00:22:01.000 Is because of something we touched upon over 17 minutes ago now.

00:22:05.000 At the beginning of our conversation.

00:22:07.000 Which was simply this.

00:22:09.000 We have no guiding ethos because we have, as a culture, abandoned God.

00:22:16.000 And into that tumbling vortex and mad void has also fallen family, gender, sex, reason, right, wrong, history, all of it in a mad, chaotic, berserk havoc.

00:22:31.000 And what's being plucked out of it is, here are your new rules.

00:22:35.000 Now, one thing I was sort of struck by, and tell me if you agree with this, Is, like, Tucker Carlson reckoned that when Orwell was giving us a depiction that ultimately led to that famous image of the stamping boot on the face of humanity was a dystopia that grows not out of Soviet communism, which was already, you know, 20, 30 years into play at the time he wrote it, but that Orwell's fear was this would come out of social democracies.

00:23:04.000 Now, even though Orwell was, I figure, an atheist, what seems...

00:23:09.000 Pretty clear to me is that if you are going to prevent the state from laying claim to godly powers that it can only do once it's created a vortex into which all meaning is tumbling, a kind of chaos that gives you that Olympic opening ceremony, the kind of chaos that leads you to not know what a man is, a woman is, who can give birth, who can't give birth...

00:23:32.000 A kind of chaos that undermines the very virtues that would afford any of us, certainly any follower of Jesus Christ, to love anyone that said, oh, I actually don't identify as a man, I identify as a woman.

00:23:43.000 Oh my God, of course!

00:23:44.000 I love you!

00:23:45.000 You're a brother and sister in Christ!

00:23:47.000 Like, minor issues, not for the people going through them, I'm sure, but minor issues to socially and culturally deal with.

00:23:54.000 As long as you have a God, as long as you understand God.

00:23:58.000 And somehow we found ourselves in these maddening bureaucracies over here led by weird centrist materialists like Biden, Kamala, remember her?

00:24:09.000 And over in our country, Keir Starmer.

00:24:13.000 You know, like these odd bureaucrats that don't even have, you know, that don't have, and I think it's deliberate that they don't have, the intensity and charisma of your good old school Mussolini's, Stalin's and Hitler's, but instead these soma-schlacked bureaucratic figures that will Bore you into technological feudalism.

00:24:36.000 That will bore you into funding another five or ten years of unwinnable Ukraine-Russia war.

00:24:42.000 How is it that when Starma is confronted by someone saying, Lee, what are you going to say to the people about the idea that, you know, Russia might retaliate for these strikes that Biden just sanctioned inside Russian territory by attacking Russia?

00:24:55.000 The United Kingdom.

00:24:56.000 What are you going to say?

00:24:57.000 Well, it's very clear that Putin is the aggressor.

00:24:59.000 He started it.

00:25:01.000 He who smelt it dealt it.

00:25:03.000 Like, you know, the kind of sort of mentality that doesn't provide a lot of comfort.

00:25:07.000 Is nothing but God going to provide a solution, Neil?

00:25:10.000 Where are you on that journey?

00:25:13.000 Do you, as I now do, see this as a kind of oddly literal...

00:25:19.000 Satanism, i.e.

00:25:20.000 an attempt to control what should be God's domain.

00:25:23.000 In particular, what is right, what is wrong, and how do we derive those absolute conclusions?

00:25:28.000 And you can't in a relativist purview.

00:25:33.000 I think what's been done is...

00:25:35.000 Or the crucial consequence of what has been done relatively recently is inadvertent and was unforeseen.

00:25:44.000 I think...

00:25:47.000 The adage about let sleeping dogs lie might be opposite because what has been done during the last four years, the extremism of the blatant attempt to take control of every aspect of people's lives has awoken.

00:26:06.000 I mean, we talk all the time about awakening, but it inadvertently awoke sleeping dogs who were slumbering away peacefully.

00:26:17.000 But now, because of this shameless, blatant, no-holds-barred attempt finally to seize every vestige of control, a whole unexpected layer stratum of the populations of the world have been roused from sleep and are annoyed, not least at having been woken up.

00:26:42.000 You know, that English Arthurian legend of Arthur sleeping under a hill somewhere until his country needed him, at which point he would awaken and stand up.

00:26:54.000 What this madness of the last few years has done is awaken millions of Arthurs who would have just continued to dream on Well, things changed. 0.97

00:27:06.000 But now they're awake.

00:27:08.000 And there is no doubt that they have, amongst other things, awoken to the necessity of meaning in their lives.

00:27:18.000 Many, many people have either awoken for the first time to the need for God or for some manifestation of spirituality, or they have been reminded that once upon a time they cared to think in that way and to understand the cosmos in that way, to know that there was some aspect of everything that was out of reach and ought to be out of reach.

00:27:44.000 You know, that laws were not just something that we made for ourselves, but they were something inviolable from a transcendent realm that we had no power to alter, that we could only acknowledge and obey or ignore at the very most.

00:28:00.000 All of that I think has been the unintended consequence of this final mad dash from the finishing line by people who want everything.

00:28:11.000 I've lost track now.

00:28:13.000 I've lost count of how many people have got in touch with me.

00:28:17.000 Total strangers.

00:28:18.000 It's thousands and thousands of them have written to me.

00:28:21.000 Dozens of people sometimes in a single day stop me in the street to talk to me.

00:28:25.000 The number of them that talk about faith, either discovered for the first time or faith that they've been reminded of.

00:28:32.000 You know, they've gone back to something.

00:28:34.000 And that will be the undoing of any centralising force, because people have been awakened to what it is to be human and alive.

00:28:47.000 And part of being human and alive is knowing that there's more to life than just the acquisition of wealth, the upgrading of phones, the taking out of a lease of a second Range Rover or whatever.

00:29:03.000 So many people have been awoken to the futility and the emptiness of that.

00:29:09.000 And that consumerism, that kind of dependency, that kind of submission to and acceptance of nothing more than convenience, don't you worry a pretty little head about that, I'll do it for you, in return for your freedom, in return for your rights, has been exposed as empty, as a void.

00:29:29.000 So they've done it to themselves.

00:29:32.000 Those that are seeking to do the final damage have in the process woken too many people up.

00:29:39.000 And the resultant change that will beat our betterment is inevitable.

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00:31:08.000 I was just chatting to Lara Logan.

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00:31:16.000 I know who Lara Logan is, but I don't know her personally.

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00:31:22.000 she's a person I reckon we'll be working with in the future, Neil.

00:31:26.000 She's one of them people, a bit like Whitney Webb, who I know you've found yourself plastered on the front page of the Times for speaking with and colluding with.

00:31:37.000 Welcome to my world.

00:31:38.000 Not a great place to be, the front page of that particular newspaper.

00:31:41.000 Like when people do that work of demonstrating how the kind of rational material power that you're sort of...

00:31:51.000 We're talking about managerial power, aren't we?

00:31:53.000 Like the control of information.

00:31:55.000 Like you said, people have been woken up because they took a piss during the pandemic.

00:31:59.000 They pushed it too far.

00:32:01.000 They lied.

00:32:02.000 Lies were getting exposed in...

00:32:04.000 Near enough real time.

00:32:06.000 Now we've got this mad situation where Bobby Kennedy, who's like book on Anthony Fauci, when I read that, like, I don't know, 2020, 2021, I don't know, like, you know, sort of seems like a long time ago.

00:32:16.000 You know how time moves these days.

00:32:18.000 Seemed like, what?!

00:32:19.000 Bio-weapons?

00:32:20.000 What do you mean?

00:32:22.000 Well, anthrax research, dual-purpose research, and then you start finding out, oh my god, this is true. 0.60

00:32:27.000 That guy's now got massive power.

00:32:30.000 It's like it's, you know, coming down the pipe at least in January.

00:32:33.000 Now, what's interesting is that there's that kind of those matters of dominion, how sort of big pharma and their regulatory agencies in conjunction with government are able to enjoy malfeasance and certainly malpractice.

00:32:48.000 But what Not so much Whitney Webb, although she gets dark when it comes to the sex trafficking, the islands, the paedophilia, all that stuff.

00:32:58.000 Lara Logan went full deep on the connection to this stuff and the hundreds of thousands of children that go missing in America.

00:33:07.000 And somehow, I don't know, even though I'm pretty deep into this sort of territory, which you might call independent peripheral media, we're out in our own wildernesses now, you and I, Neil, and seeing if this wilderness is going to formulate into something new, if there's going to be some coming kingdom, I still feel pretty scared when people start talking about satanic...

00:33:27.000 I mean, of course, I suppose you would. 0.69

00:33:29.000 Satanic child rape and stuff. 0.99

00:33:32.000 I'm like, whoa, come on, man. 0.98

00:33:34.000 When did we all become Alex Jones?

00:33:37.000 When did we all become David Icke?

00:33:38.000 No wonder, you know, David in particular is sort of in that state of perpetual fury when he sees stuff that he's been talking about for years and he's been derided for sort of edging curiously into the mainstream.

00:33:50.000 And what it seems like we're attempting to manage is like these rather baroque and peculiar ideas migrating out of the mad spaces of the conspiracy theorists and into the mainstream.

00:34:03.000 An obvious example being the one I gave a minute ago, Bobby Kennedy's writing about Anthony Fauci.

00:34:08.000 That's now, you know, the roles have flipped.

00:34:10.000 Now, Anthony Fauci's the outsider and Bobby Kennedy's in government.

00:34:15.000 So, I wonder how you feel, like, when talking about them and their power and the error they made in awakening us by pushing it too far, about the idea, Neil, that this isn't just...

00:34:28.000 A material proposition as much of the conspiracy theory stuff spoken about by your Lara Logans, your Whitney Webbs, and one of a number of online journalists and commentators of varying credibility, but even that credibility, who gets to say who's credible and who's not these days, appears to allude to the idea, as does the Bible, that the reason all this stuff's happening is not just because people are rubbing their hands together and trying to get hold of gold and power and resources, but because there is,

00:34:58.000 as it says in Ephesians, dark power in high principalities. as it says in Ephesians, dark power in high principalities.

00:35:02.000 As it says again and again in the Bible, this is Satan's realm.

00:35:06.000 Satan is working on us through worldliness, through the flesh, and through the mind.

00:35:11.000 So it doesn't become a matter of these guys slipped up.

00:35:14.000 It becomes like they're agents of some dark, higher, demonic, even worse than demonic potentially, force.

00:35:21.000 How do you grapple with that?

00:35:23.000 Because remember earlier, I talked about your own background with supernatural stuff.

00:35:27.000 So now that is actually coming into these conversations about power.

00:35:32.000 When I talked about them having, you know, their actions had unintended consequences, I don't for a moment subscribe any longer.

00:35:39.000 And I did for a while, but I haven't for the longest time accepted the notion that it was mistakes made, that the whole people were only doing their best nonsense.

00:35:49.000 I've consigned that absolutely to the dustbin.

00:35:52.000 That's not the case.

00:35:53.000 So there was no, you know...

00:35:57.000 You know, human frailty and just, you know, misjudging situations.

00:36:01.000 It was deliberate and choreographed and pre-planned and everything about, you know, malice aforethought and guilty mind and mens rea and all of the rest of it is all there in what was conjured into being and what was then applied.

00:36:15.000 But what I think, what I've come to accept is that in the centuries in which we were invited to dismiss everything but science, To worship science.

00:36:28.000 We were gulled into thinking that everyone, everyone had stopped believing in God.

00:36:36.000 That we were now all secular.

00:36:38.000 Apart from, you know, we were invited to look at other cultures and other people and frankly to consider them a little bit silly at best with all their various worshippings and all their various appeals to the transcendent.

00:36:51.000 But we had grown up and we were now secular and we knew that there was nothing but that which we make for ourselves.

00:36:58.000 But I think what I've come to realise is that the group that foist that Fallacy upon us continued absolutely to believe.

00:37:10.000 In something.

00:37:11.000 Something else.

00:37:12.000 Something other.

00:37:14.000 And you can call it Satanism.

00:37:16.000 You can call it demonic.

00:37:17.000 But they certainly continued to worship something that they invited us not to see any longer.

00:37:23.000 I mean, you talk about, you know, you mentioned Ephesian.

00:37:27.000 But you go back into the Old Testament and you look at something like Deuteronomy.

00:37:31.000 And it's there.

00:37:33.000 It's there in black and white that, you know, there was the notion for the longest time that that which openeth the womb belongs to me.

00:37:43.000 The firstborn, not just of the sheep and the cattle, but of the people themselves, that the firstborn, that which openeth the womb, belonged to God and was to be sacrificed there.

00:37:58.000 And the idea, we invited ourselves to believe that the misuse, the sacrifice of children in that way was something that was in the distant past.

00:38:09.000 I don't think it was ever in the distant past.

00:38:13.000 That kind of behaviour has always been there.

00:38:17.000 But for the couple of two, three hundred years of scientism and the worship of science and being persuaded that only science mattered and science was the explanation for everything, elsewhere other people with power and control on their minds continued to believe in dark things that they had always believed in and always will.

00:38:40.000 Yeah, they offer us secularism, materialism, consumerism, and you contest that they themselves still continue to believe in dark forms of sacrifice to their Deuteronomic law, and it was indicated by what you would say.

00:38:59.000 It appears to me that that is a recurrent scriptural theme.

00:39:04.000 And obviously it plays out in the Old Testament in the Abraham and Isaac unenacted sacrificial moment that has its partner in the sacrifice of God's Son, our Lord and Saviour.

00:39:23.000 So, and what I feel like the principle is, is the principle of sacrifice, and sacrifice is the highest principle, and the supernatural, the divine, the spiritual and the holy, being preeminent and preordinate, and at the apex of all our systems of meaning and our systems of governance.

00:39:43.000 I wouldn't take that as advocacy for human sacrifice, because the theme of human sacrifice is explored, deplored, and denounced biblically pretty significantly.

00:39:55.000 But there's no doubt that historically and totemically, that kind of sacrifice plays a significant role in our past.

00:40:05.000 And like you, I agree that it's a moment ago on the clock that God bears upon God's face.

00:40:14.000 Bye!

00:40:15.000 What I feel, Neil, is that that might be part of the real battleground now in this warfare.

00:40:23.000 And I'm even coming to look at subjects like abortion and control over life from a spiritual perspective and starting to see a new simplicity in scriptural edicts around such matters.

00:40:42.000 And as was...

00:40:46.000 I know you'll like it.

00:40:47.000 And like when Mary Shelley and the Romantics start exploring, dabbling in God's domain and revivifying and carrying out resurrection, previously the purview of Christ, that was an early indicator of the monster that would be created and the monster that has now taken our culture in its grasps, I would say.

00:41:06.000 So I know you've got a lot to say, so you crack on, mate.

00:41:10.000 Well, I mean, yeah, Frankenstein or the new Prometheus, you know, amongst much else a warning about what happens to mortals when they assume the divine power to create life.

00:41:28.000 You know, I've often thought about that.

00:41:32.000 The youth of Mary Shelley, when she ever dreamt or in whatever way conceived of that idea, I find astonishing that she was able to come up with that idea at that point in her life.

00:41:49.000 But I think...

00:41:52.000 I do wonder, you mentioned abortion, and I know it's such a difficult topic for so many people, but I did wonder, I think a lot of us wondered why the Kamala Harris campaign It seemed to boil down almost to the necessity to have access to abortion.

00:42:17.000 And so many people in the aftermath, so many women in the aftermath of the Trump win that Kamala Harris lost, their great cry of grief Was that either their 12 and 13-year-old daughters were going to be denied access to abortion rights,

00:42:39.000 and others who don't even have children yet, the first thing they could think about was how sad they were that were they to have daughters in the future, that they would not be able to have abortions.

00:42:51.000 That struck me as an extremely strange, first of all, primary policy by a would-be president of the United States of America.

00:43:00.000 But the response, the response to that, the preoccupation with that, as though that was the be-all and end-all of existence, was having access to that procedure.

00:43:14.000 I just find that there were so many other conversations to be had around fertility and around family and around reproduction that the great grief that was expressed always and only around the topic of abortion I found very difficult to process.

00:43:34.000 And I think, not only that, and not just that, but it seemed to be emblematic or a manifestation of an emptiness, an emptiness in an entire way of thinking.

00:43:50.000 You know, the whole point of being alive is life.

00:43:56.000 The whole reason for being here is life.

00:44:03.000 At the end of Ulysses, James Joyce, whatever you think about that work, what I would call a work of art, it ends with Molly Bloom embracing life.

00:44:19.000 Life is the last word of Ulysses.

00:44:22.000 She's choosing life.

00:44:25.000 The whole point of being here is to choose life and to further life.

00:44:31.000 People talk about a death cult, people talk about a preoccupation with death, but there's undoubtedly a movement towards an emptiness, a sterility, metaphorically and literally.

00:44:47.000 I'm not judging it.

00:44:48.000 I'm simply putting my hand on my heart and saying I can't comprehend it.

00:44:53.000 It doesn't make sense to me.

00:44:55.000 Well, it does make sense when you start looking at it from a different perspective.

00:45:02.000 It's funny, it's not funny, it's curious because I had a conversation with my wife yesterday because we were approached here by a sponsor.

00:45:11.000 That offers scans to women that are considering abortions.

00:45:15.000 And I spoke to my wife about it.

00:45:17.000 She goes, you can't do that.

00:45:18.000 You're a man.

00:45:22.000 And I'm like, yeah, but I'm a Christian.

00:45:23.000 And she's like, mm-mm, right?

00:45:25.000 I guess it's something that I'd like to take to the audience to some degree.

00:45:29.000 Certainly, I don't feel like I'll do what my wife tells me, ultimately, I suppose.

00:45:34.000 But what was interesting...

00:45:37.000 Is it the same?

00:45:39.000 Candace Owens supports an organisation. 0.76

00:45:44.000 It's ultrasound, isn't it?

00:45:46.000 It's the opportunity to hear a heartbeat.

00:45:49.000 Or are you talking about something else?

00:45:52.000 It probably is certainly comparable, but I think in this instance it might be a visual scan.

00:45:56.000 And I was interested by my wife's reaction to it.

00:46:01.000 But if you're having a conversation like this, like you're saying, why is it that that's so central?

00:46:06.000 Now, from a material and rational perspective, you could argue that there are so few points of meaningful difference around When it comes to the claims that the Democrat Party are able to make on the ethical grounds that they once presumed to be their purview, all those people that are still Democratic voters, aren't they sort of saying, we're the party of like Martin Luther King and civil rights and fairness and justice and the stone wall and the movements that are about fairness and kindness, right?

00:46:33.000 That's what they say.

00:46:34.000 But now, even within that aspect of governance and government, because they are so sort of swamped, and I use the word deliberately, with the interests of the powerful, all they can really offer up are points of difference.

00:46:45.000 So there's one sort of rational argument, but the super rational argument, which I don't believe to be beneath rationale, but potentially beyond it, is because in the same way that I know people that have moved against me believe themselves to be participating in something righteous is because in the same way that I know people that have Righteous and just...

00:47:04.000 They don't know that what they're doing is operating in the services of a global entity that seeks to shut down any vocal opponent and any pawn, like a little pawn, I'm not claiming I'm a big deal, that gets in the way of that thing will just be annihilated and crushed by its behemoth poor.

00:47:25.000 Maybe the reason the Democratic Party are so focused on that issue is because of what it actually on some level is.

00:47:34.000 sacrifice of children.

00:47:37.000 Now, if we start discussing that in our...

00:47:41.000 We're men of a certain age.

00:47:42.000 We're from the same country, basically.

00:47:45.000 We've got similar sorts of cultural affiliations.

00:47:49.000 And I don't feel comfortable sort of telling anyone what to do, and I don't seek to.

00:47:54.000 But as a Christian, from a Christian perspective, there are some sort of pretty clear edicts about that power.

00:48:01.000 Now, I wouldn't be happy sort of saying that power should belong to a man somewhere.

00:48:06.000 That's not what I believe in either.

00:48:08.000 What I believe in is God.

00:48:10.000 I believe in God.

00:48:12.000 And I don't have a definitive view.

00:48:14.000 My key principle as a Christian, he's laid out for me.

00:48:17.000 Love thy neighbour, love God with all your heart.

00:48:19.000 Don't go around judging people, lest you be judged.

00:48:21.000 Cool.

00:48:22.000 I'm going to bring those ones to the forefront when it comes to the Christianity of Russell Brand.

00:48:26.000 But when chatting about scripture and why a particular political issue might have so much weight and freight and get given some airtime...

00:48:34.000 If it doesn't, as you've just said, make rational sense, and I tried to offer you a rational argument, is it because of this points of difference thing?

00:48:41.000 Maybe it's because something potent and occultist is aligned with that issue.

00:48:47.000 Because where are the intersectional points between these occultist ideas that we're increasingly starting to think might be real on some level, and what we hear come out of their mouths and the way they legislate?

00:49:00.000 So what do you think about that?

00:49:04.000 I can't rule out and don't rule out the possibility that there is a deathly anti-human, anti-life motivation behind some of what's going on.

00:49:18.000 I don't dismiss it.

00:49:22.000 I believe that there is a darkness.

00:49:27.000 There's a darkness that is rising.

00:49:31.000 That has been rising, but that is being confronted and being challenged, or at the very least people, as in a conversational it is, are asking questions about it.

00:49:44.000 And again, I say it's provoked or it has inspired more and more people to think about what life is, which is surely an unintended consequence For any group that I would contend is anti-life, that wants fewer of us, that is in favour of infertility and sterility and babies not being born rather than being born.

00:50:12.000 I try to be open-minded, but I find it harder and harder to swim away from the conclusion that there is something anti-life, something profoundly and deliberately consciously dark going on.

00:50:27.000 But that it has made people step away from the superficial and the material and contemplate the eternal verities, I think is a positive and a good thing, even if it has been the unintended consequence of something dark.

00:50:45.000 You know, I like to contemplate, I mean, you said at the beginning that I was, you know, I'd been all about history and the landscape and archaeology and, you know, I love contemplating and making space for how long our species has been literally looking upwards.

00:51:07.000 You're looking into the sky in search of meaning.

00:51:12.000 And trying to make sense of its place, of the place of the species in the bigger cosmology.

00:51:20.000 Christianity is only 2,000 years old.

00:51:25.000 It's less than 2,000 years old.

00:51:28.000 But our species has been on the planet for 300,000 years.

00:51:35.000 Don't know what our consciousness has been like for the duration of that time, but we have been here.

00:51:40.000 And for thousands upon thousands of years, people have looked up into the sky.

00:51:44.000 The original deity was the sun.

00:51:47.000 People assumed that that brightest light in the sky and its repeating patterns was some kind of deity, was something deserving of worship.

00:51:58.000 And there are fascinating esoteric traditions about Jesus Christ having come to my part of the world, to Ireland.

00:52:08.000 In search of the wisdom of the people that we now describe as Druids, but that great reservoir of ancient wisdom that amongst his wanderings into Egypt, elsewhere, that he came here because it was well known at that time that there was great learning, a great depth of learning and a great depth of understanding.

00:52:29.000 Curiouser and curiouser, some of what he then returned to the Holy Land To preach and to make part of his mission was actually the product of conversations that he had had with people here.

00:52:42.000 The great depth of appreciation of something transcendent, of there being more to life And that people whose lives thousands of years ago were not just unimaginably different from ours, but in most senses, unimaginably harder, they still miraculously found time to notice the patterns of movements, recurring patterns, circles and cycles that were drawn in the sky.

00:53:07.000 I think to myself, I would never have noticed any of that.

00:53:09.000 If I had been born and lived and died on a desert island, the recurring patterns in the sky would never have come into my awareness and consciousness.

00:53:20.000 And that somehow, at this point in the early decades of the 21st century, the campaign or the race for the position of the most powerful human being in an elected position on earth It came down to conversations so pessimistic and so dismissive of the value of life.

00:53:45.000 It absolutely made me question, how on earth did we get to this point?

00:53:50.000 After all of this time here, after all of the achievements, after all of the wisdom, how did the conversations around becoming the most powerful person on earth I love your perennial and somewhat Campbellian perspective,

00:54:22.000 Neil, and it's something that I've had the good fortune to hear you unpack over a glass of wine.

00:54:28.000 You, not me, and your brilliant sort of Jerusalem, shall we call it, related analytics, dialectic rather, I suppose, around the sort of potential that Jerusalem would be positioned elsewhere.

00:54:43.000 And I love hearing all of that, and there are so many ways of telling the story, and I suppose that sort of moved me from the position, a comparable position, and I'm certainly not claiming it's a progression or that I'm in any way advancing you, and it's so evident in so many ways I'm...

00:54:58.000 It's precisely the opposite of that.

00:55:01.000 What happened is a kind of When you were describing the idea that, you know, had I lived in those days, I would have not observed cosmological meanderings and the constellations dancing in their rhythms across time.

00:55:19.000 I feel like, well, in a sense, we can't even make that claim because we don't know, you and I, Neil, what it's like to live outside of the fugue of a continually polluting culture.

00:55:32.000 Anchoring us in the material, forbidding us to venture forth beyond the terrestrial limitations of the archipelago of materialism and rationalism and into the vast oceans where Christ alone walks upon water.

00:55:49.000 But somehow when I went beyond the kind of sort of rational construction of a pantheon of which Christ was but one part, And into, wait a minute, it's literally true, look at the book of Acts, everyone went all mad, like 50 days after he was killed and rose again, and the culture never recovered from it, civilization never recovered from it.

00:56:19.000 Something can happen to me when I work on it like a mandala, although I know it's not through my work at all that I achieve understanding, but maybe I might achieve the peace beyond understanding, precisely because it's beyond the limitations of rationalism.

00:56:35.000 Something happens when I go...

00:56:37.000 What if it's literally true?

00:56:39.000 God came here and lived as a man.

00:56:42.000 And when God died as a man to achieve the atonement that's always been required, the first of the womb, God recognizing that God had to somehow honor that pact with us, his beloved.

00:56:55.000 Something happens that goes like love beyond space and beyond time.

00:57:01.000 And Molly Bloom's That the pinnacle is life becomes an acceptable yet somehow more potent synonym.

00:57:13.000 God.

00:57:14.000 God.

00:57:14.000 And the God that we action.

00:57:16.000 The God that we action through love.

00:57:18.000 The God that gives us life.

00:57:20.000 The God that is the way, the Tao, the bread, the vine, the fruit, the lila.

00:57:24.000 This God that's knowable only in metaphor.

00:57:27.000 How could it be anything other than metaphor?

00:57:29.000 Given our limitations.

00:57:31.000 And somehow when the metaphor and the history are able to sort of in the cross collapse, it does something to me that I didn't have happen before it.

00:57:45.000 For all of my new age musings, for all of my psychedelic wanderings, something like, you know, I can't believe it.

00:57:52.000 Why Jesus?

00:57:53.000 How Jesus?

00:57:54.000 And yet...

00:57:59.000 These are the conversations that I think we've drifted away from as a species in the West, and they're so enriching to have.

00:58:09.000 Before, and even without the necessity, whether you subscribe or believe or submit or obey or whatever, it's still the context for an astonishingly wondrous conversation.

00:58:22.000 You know, when you talk there about the incarnation, the coming into flesh of God, It's the basis for a really, really rich conversation, at the very least.

00:58:36.000 You know, because obviously, as you know, embedded within it is the idea of kenosis, which is that before incarnating Jesus, the Word, the Logos, divested himself of all traces of divinity, became utterly and only a man, so that he could absolutely and only experience what it was to be human and alive.

00:58:58.000 You know, that's powerful and profound all on its own.

00:59:01.000 And you mentioned Abraham And you have wondered about that and listened to people talk about that.

00:59:09.000 And is it God rehearsing through his creation what it would be like to lose a son?

00:59:16.000 Watching the pain of a father right up until the moment when the son is about to die and pulling back at that point.

00:59:25.000 And that's a foreshadowing.

00:59:28.000 Of the understanding that at some point his son was going to die.

00:59:32.000 And he was seeing what it would and rehearsing and preparing.

00:59:36.000 Or you could say that.

00:59:38.000 You could say that that was what was going on there.

00:59:41.000 And how inescapably fascinating it is that everything about Jesus Christ, what little we know about him, as we are told in the scripture, you know, his birthday on the 25th of December, which is the same as Mithras, that he was born to a carpenter and a virgin, which is the same as Krishna.

01:00:07.000 That his birth, his coming, was foreshadowed by a star rising in the east, the same as Osiris.

01:00:16.000 You know, that he would feed the multitude from a basket of bread and fish like Buddha and walk on water.

01:00:23.000 You know, so that everything about what became manifest in Jesus Christ, for believers in Jesus Christ, was all foreshadowed.

01:00:32.000 In those that went before.

01:00:34.000 And then if you like and if you believe and if you want, it all comes together in that one personification.

01:00:41.000 You know, so all of that is, you take on board some of that information and whether or not you're a believer, it's surely the basis for fascinating speculation and rumination.

01:00:54.000 You know, so much of...

01:00:56.000 Orion, the constellation, which is the constellation in the sky that most resembles the shape of a man, At least it begins to look like what it's supposed to be, which is more than you can say for most of the named constellations.

01:01:12.000 And he rises in the horizontal position, and then in the fullness of summer, he's in the upright position.

01:01:19.000 And it's in the upright position that he dies.

01:01:22.000 He dies and he sinks into the forever.

01:01:24.000 He drops below the horizon in the upright position.

01:01:27.000 And that tradition is there again in the legend of Cúchallán, the greatest of the Irish heroes.

01:01:34.000 Who at the moment of his death, he knows it would be unbearable because he's a hero to be seen by his followers to fall.

01:01:41.000 He ties himself to a stone so that he dies in the upright position.

01:01:45.000 In the same as Hiram Abath, who is the architect of Solomon's temple, You know, when he is dispatched by the three ruffians, you know, he's dispatched by three wounds and he dies in the upright position. 0.99

01:01:58.000 And you start piecing together all of these things from our shared appreciation of the cosmos across all of the faiths, across all of the great religions, and most importantly, across all of time.

01:02:11.000 And you think, how have we ended up having the empty conversations that we're invited to have about bollocks, We could be having these conversations and speculating and wondering and drawing our own conclusions as living, breathing, sentient human beings.

01:02:33.000 Don't think it's an accident, Neil, that we end up talking about bollocks when there are so many things we could be talking about.

01:02:39.000 I think it's quite deliberate.

01:02:41.000 And the only counter that I would offer is that when we remain on the realm of speculation and rumination, the challenge that we are left with is we have not departed from the framing afforded by literal rationalism.

01:02:56.000 Neil, I've got to go because I've got to go to do some other stuff.

01:03:00.000 Oh no!

01:03:01.000 I forbid it!

01:03:03.000 I know, but it's really good, isn't it?

01:03:04.000 It's really good whenever we have conversations, because what I felt like is, I'm speaking to Neil Oliver, we'll have a sort of an idea that there are things happening politically and materially in the world, but what I hope is we'll fling ourselves into the abyss as two brothers fleeing Gog Magog, looking for new territories, looking for new realms of awe to together explore before finding where the horizontal and the vertical inevitably mesh.

01:03:34.000 It's always a glory and a joy to speak with you, Neil, and I just hope that we get further opportunity to do this more thoroughly and at greater length.

01:03:44.000 Can you please ensure that you keep talked up on your vitamin D, your vitamin K and your vitamin C because I can see that you're suffering somewhat from some other allergy.

01:03:55.000 My! 0.92

01:03:56.000 Your chestal zone.

01:03:57.000 So look after yourself, because we need you.

01:04:00.000 You're beautiful to say that.

01:04:01.000 KC. I'm writing them down.

01:04:03.000 DKC. It's a sign.

01:04:04.000 It's a sign, I tell you.

01:04:06.000 Thank you, man.

01:04:07.000 Vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin C. Get it down you.

01:04:11.000 I mean, that does nearly spell dick, but I'm gonna... 0.90

01:04:16.000 I'll give it a try. 0.98

01:04:18.000 Make your own decisions.

01:04:19.000 Make your own decisions.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, my body, my choice.

01:04:22.000 Thank you so much, Neil, for a magnificent conversation.

01:04:25.000 And more than that, thank you for joining us for this brilliant episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand.

01:04:29.000 If you want to join me for a live stream where I talk about deep ideas like these nourishing ideas that will awaken you and enrich you, become an awakened wonder, there's a link in the chat right now telling you how to do that.

01:04:41.000 On the screen, there's the information telling you how you can become an awakened wonder and join us for a live stream every single week that will change you, inform you and nourish you in exactly the way you need to be nourished and formed and changed because you can't change yourself.

01:04:54.000 You have to be changed by a great and higher power.

01:04:56.000 That's surely one of the things you must at least be pondering as a result of that conversation between me and Neil Oliver.

01:05:01.000 Thank you very much for joining me today.

01:05:02.000 Tomorrow I'll be back with a conversation with Lara Logan that is going to knock your knickers off if you'll forgive the expression.

01:05:08.000 We move around in some extraordinary territory and you will love it.

01:05:12.000 Have a look at Lara Logan.

01:05:13.000 See?

01:05:13.000 Why wouldn't you enjoy a conversation with her?

01:05:15.000 That's coming up.

01:05:16.000 Up tomorrow.

01:05:17.000 Join us then.

01:05:18.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:05:20.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

01:05:30.000 Many switching, switch on, switch on.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - November 21, 2024

Neil Oliver on the Rise of Independent Media, Cultural Awakening & Fighting Centralized Power –SF498

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