Russell Brand is back with a brand new episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand. This time, he's talking about decentralization and decentralization in the age of globalism, and why it's so important that we have decentralised models of power and accountability in order to make the world a better place for all of us to live in. He's joined by Will Harris and Paul Saladino, and they talk about how decentralization is the key to a better world, and how we can all work together to make it a reality. Stay free with Russell. Stay free, and stay free, wherever you get your news and information. You can t be on the side of the righteous if you don't take the stand of the free. If you're not on Rumble yet, join us on RUMBLE, where we're on YouTube, where you can watch us on YouTube and get a sneak peak of what's to come. And if you're on Rumble, you're gonna love today's show! Stay Free, and Stay Free! - R.I.P. - E.J.O.K. (and stay woke. ) - P.S. We'll see you next Tuesday. - Stay Free. Stay woke! - SONGS: (01:00) 2:00 3:30) 4:15) 5:30 6:00s 7:30s 8:00 szn 9:00a. 11:00. 12:00p. 13:30. 15:00/16: Is decentralisation good? 16: Is it? 17: What is decentralisation a good thing? 18:00? 19:00 Is decentralization a good idea? 21:15/16? 22:30/17: Is there a path to the promised land? 23:00 / 22:00+ 25:30? 26:40s 27:00, 27:30, 29: 30s/30s? 35:00 ? 32: Is the future in the promised by decentralization? 31:00 + 32: 33:00 Or is it a good model? ? 35:15 36:00 & 35:40 35 :00 34:00_35:00
00:06:59.000hello there you awakening wonders Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:07:25.000Whether you're watching this right now on YouTube, or you're a member of our locals Awakened Wanderer community, or our home of Rumble, you are gonna love today's show and we want your involvement.
00:07:34.000It's absolutely integral that independent media remains the voice of the people, a conduit for your inquiry, your questions, your awakening, so that we can truly build Unified but decentralised models together.
00:07:48.000It's become plain to me, it's become plain to the world that independent media is now, by its nature, political.
00:07:54.000Gone are the days when it's just about reporting.
00:07:56.000It is now about movement and activism.
00:08:00.000And I know there's a lot of division in the world.
00:08:02.000In this time of omnicrisis, doesn't it seem that division and fracture and fissure is what defines us?
00:08:52.000A meme prankster was jailed for seven months for offering voters the opportunity, and who would not want this opportunity, to vote for Hillary Clinton by text.
00:09:04.000It's a story from 2016 but the dude's just been jailed.
00:09:07.000We're going to be talking about that and what contributes to anti-democratic practices more strongly?
00:09:16.000Or is it establishment-affiliated stooge politicians that represent corporatism and work entirely for the donor class and don't care about you, the electorate, that want you disempowered and misinformed, that even talk about deprogramming you?
00:09:32.000Did you see that interview where Hillary Clinton said that Trump voters need to be debugged?
00:09:55.000He's funny, he's been on the show a bunch of times, and even though I don't eat meat myself, I know a lot of you do, you carnivorous brutes.
00:10:03.000You know, we have guests on here like Paul Saladino saying you can't be healthy unless you bite a chunk out of any passing elk.
00:10:09.000I know like you lot out there in the U.S.
00:10:12.000estates, you like to be shooting things out of trees and bushes and any environment, really.
00:10:20.000And yet, I love you still, for we can love one another in spite of our diets.
00:10:25.000Now, for the first 15 minutes, we're going to be on YouTube, and we love every one of you Awaken Wonders.
00:10:30.000There's a link in the description and that link is a pathway to a promised land for surely a spiritual war is upon us and if you want to be on the side of the righteous you've got to be on the side of the free.
00:10:42.000A place where you can oppose the opinions of others safely and respectfully.
00:10:46.000Join us if you're not on rumble yet join us on rumble now you might have to later because some of the subjects we're discussing Might involve things that fall within the tenure of the WHO regulation that YouTube, as you know, uses for its community guidelines.
00:10:59.000That's how centralization and globalism works.
00:11:02.000That's the soft end of it entering into your life.
00:11:06.000We've got some brilliant content, but I want to get into the main story of course.
00:11:09.000Did you lot see Joe Biden's speech the other night in a curiously I would say rambling and ineloquent piece of oratory from that great epitomising symbol of democracy, that synecdoche of power, the White House.
00:11:27.000Biden seemed to be talking about bundling together financial aid for a variety of complex wars, including the conflict in the Middle East, Ukraine and Russia, and even a potential conflict between the US and China.
00:11:46.000Did you see it as an opportunity to conflate a new and emergent conflict where tensions are very high and people are understandably in a very emotional space given the nature of the tragedy unfolding with the increasingly less popular Ukraine-Russia conflict?
00:12:04.000Unpopular I would offer you because people don't support the people of Ukraine but because people are seeing that the conditions of that war are not as initially described and indeed even in this speech it becomes clear that Biden watch it you might even miss this if you don't watch very carefully subtly starts talking about Boots on the ground.
00:12:23.000And if you want to know how this speech is going to roll out, you have to look at the commencement of it.
00:12:28.000Before that, we've got a comment here from Andy31, a member of our AwakendWonder community.
00:12:32.000If you're watching some Rumble right now, press the red button, become an AwakendWonder.
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00:12:40.000How are we going to get out of the Omnicrisis?
00:12:42.000How are we going to change the world together?
00:12:44.000How are we going to mobilize the deep spiritual power that I know you have to overcome what seems like omnipresent enmity?
00:12:51.000What seems like an unassailable opponent?
00:12:55.000Andy Free on that platform, on Locals, one of our Awaken Wonders asks, so...
00:12:59.000Listening to the radio news on the way to work and they move from one news item about the humanitarian relief needing to be sent into Gaza, then they move to Biden talking about monetary support for Israel and Ukraine.
00:16:35.000Do you think it's the function of the legacy media to amplify the intentions of the powerful and to normalize the intentions of the powerful?
00:16:42.000So suddenly something that's pretty wacky like robots stealing everybody's jobs seems like a great idea on a news item and we're going to be giving you the opportunity to see that a little later.
00:16:52.000You're going to love that story even if it feels somewhat terrifying and dystopian.
00:16:56.000So let's go back to Joe Biden and his rambling attempt to make very complex and difficult situations seem like an opportunity that Raytheon just can't afford to miss.
00:17:07.000That's why tomorrow I'm going to send to Congress an urgent budget request to fund America's national security needs, to support our critical partners including Israel and Ukraine.
00:17:19.000It's a smart investment that's going to While we're talking about the language of finance and economics, whose interests are being met here?
00:17:27.000Is this humanitarian support for allies across the world, or is it an opportunity to exploit conflict?
00:17:34.000And before you answer, have a look at a little thing called All History, and in particular the history of recent American wars.
00:17:41.000We've paid dividends for American security for generations.
00:17:45.000Help us keep American troops out of harm's way.
00:17:48.000One way to do that is, like, stop escalating the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
00:17:53.000Help us build a world that is safer, more peaceful, and more... Did he say build a world, or did he say build a wall?
00:18:00.000The thing about Trump, he didn't like walls.
00:18:02.000He didn't build enough of them, and he didn't build them right.
00:18:05.000I mean, the policies change so quickly, it's difficult to keep up, even if he does speak pretty slowly.
00:18:09.000...prosperous for our children and grandchildren.
00:18:12.000Children and grandchildren might be an issue if we induce Armageddon by engaging global superpowers in needless conflict in order to establish a unipolar hegemony that doesn't benefit the ordinary Americans, who are some of the most decent people on God's Earth, but seems to benefit elite establishment interests that transcendent of nation, I'm speaking specifically of corporate interests and unelected bodies, Just one example being the WHO.
00:18:39.000I'm not suggesting they're behind this war.
00:18:43.000I'm just saying that those kind of agencies appear to have undue power.
00:18:47.000Let me know what you think in the chat, you guys in Rumble.
00:18:50.000Remember, I'm still watching for whether or not you think that this is about bundling together complex and distinct conflicts or is this about humanitarian aid and the unique role of the United States of America as your president, I'm sorry to say that to you, your president claims.
00:19:05.000Patriot missiles for air defense batteries.
00:21:13.000Make it a bit of... God, none of these guys are allowed to sing anymore!
00:21:16.000So what story do you want us to cover next?
00:21:19.000Now, bearing in mind, if you're watching this on YouTube, and we love you, you awakened wonder, you're very, very important to us over there, in spite of what's happened with the demonetisation, facilitating a request of the UK government.
00:21:34.000or if you're watching us on rumble or if you're a member of our awake and wonder community press the red button to join them there they're a very beautiful bunch i'll tell you that what story do you want us to cover we've got a story of dr drew talking about myocarditis we obviously wouldn't be able to talk about that on youtube we've got a Oh no, he's got me doing it, man!
00:21:51.000And then we've got, uh, this is my favourite, I don't want to bias you, Amazon have got these humanoid robots, and what I love about the story, it's not the humanoid robots, they're obviously terrifying, what's really good is the legacy media just...
00:22:11.000Like, they're turning it just like, this is some of Amazon's best products.
00:22:15.000The news is simply there to amplify and normalize the intentions and agenda of the powerful.
00:22:22.000One of my favorite phrases or we've got a sort of a story where admittedly it's quite good Joe Biden's chin looks like a ball bag or a PlayStation handle.
00:22:29.000I know you're gonna want that but you know it's up to you.
00:22:34.000Amazon humanoid robots that's two and Biden's ball bag chin is three.
00:22:38.000I'll try and do them all but while you are voting there we'll be checking uh because you know it's a democracy there'll be no voter fraud here let me tell you.
00:22:45.000We will count every vote and dead people do not vote here let me tell you.
00:23:06.000New analysis has found that his fund supported startups During the COVID pandemic and invested nearly two million in companies linked to his wife, which is in turn linked to the WEF.
00:23:28.000Rishi Sunak's controversial fund to support start-ups during the Covid pandemic invested nearly $2 million in companies linked to his wife.
00:23:35.000The Guardian, which is a British newspaper, found it is the fourth business linked to Murti, revealed to have received an investment from the fund set up by Sunak to support start-ups when he was Chancellor during the Covid pandemic and attending many of the parties that took place While the rest of us were locked up, that wouldn't happen in your country.
00:23:51.000What was going on in the state of California?
00:23:53.000How did Gavin Newsom boogie on down in that complicated time?
00:24:18.000Firstly, that's incontrovertible evidence that his chin does look like a PlayStation more than a ball bag, I would say, because that kind of separation and distinction certainly I don't imagine would occur in a Biden ball bag.
00:24:29.000But let's have a look at the clip itself.
00:24:32.000I learned a long time ago that you go over and you're like...
00:24:35.000This is what before a flight, because he's wearing his flight clothes already and he's all sort of tired and that.
00:24:44.000Because he looks pretty tired when he's meant to be trying to simplify a global conflict, doesn't he?
00:24:49.000He looks pretty knackered, all suited up in your Oval Office there.
00:24:51.000He looks like, oh, he could go off any minute, didn't know when the show had started.
00:24:54.000When he's actually in his little sleep suit for a plane journey, I mean, this is the very precipice of cadaverous.
00:25:03.000I've got to say, he's looking a bit deader than Lazarus.
00:25:06.000If someone's going through something that's beyond their comprehension...
00:25:11.000you Well, beyond Joe Biden's comprehension, let's face it, that could be a centimetre away.
00:25:40.000Maybe if you... When Joe Biden's next smelling a child's hair, and you can bet you won't have to wait long, that child can pass the time as they feel their scalp being sucked up into the old zombie sinuses by having a little bit of PlayStation fun.
00:25:57.000Listen, even though you didn't vote for it, interesting views being conveyed over here in the locals chat that I won't be conveying while we're still on YouTube, but you're certainly free to Discuss whatever you like because this is a free speech platform, baby!
00:26:29.000Just tell me, have you noticed that the news is a TV show and a commercial for the agenda of the powerful?
00:26:37.000They find what the establishment want amplified and they amplify it.
00:26:40.000In this case, it's the normalization of autonomous robots helping Amazon to make more money, which of course, of course, will be passed on to the consumer.
00:26:48.000Have you not heard of trickle-down economics?
00:27:25.000And also the commodification and commercialization of times that used to be sacred even prior to monotheism, the holidays of celebration of unity, real values, the idea that there is a living God beneath all apparent material reality.
00:27:37.000But what would you like to purchase from this warehouse where soon there will be no humans, only these scuttle rats?
00:28:48.000During the pandemic, the main thing I noticed in the pandemic is how, remember, how small businesses really thrived and flourished, didn't they?
00:28:55.000And poor people, they got richer and richer.
00:28:57.000Meanwhile, big tech and big pharma and everything, they were taken to task, weren't they, by that crisis.
00:29:01.000So we know what the prevailing mentality is, and there's certainly no point questioning it.
00:29:05.000Get away from me, you damn scuttle rats!
00:29:07.000Brady says Sequoia also makes it safer for employees.
00:29:10.000safety never before is the word safety being used to assert control notice the insidious language that's used to legitimize authoritarianism reducing the number of accidents and safer we say we just want to we just want to protect you stress injuries You're at home now, atrophying and decaying, so ordinary people have less and less power within the system.
00:29:40.000Now that the manufacturing industries across Western countries are in total decline and broadly speaking outsourced in many cases to nations that are regarded politically as enemies, curiously enough, You ain't got a job, you ain't got no rights, you ain't got no power, you ain't got ability to communicate, you're being surveilled, you're being censored.
00:29:59.000Soon those benefits will be trickling down.
00:30:01.000You don't have to get on a ladder, you don't have to bend down on your knees, you don't have to reach up really high.
00:30:06.000I don't have to reach up very high, except when grasping for some sort of grace, some sort of connection to meaning, because my job has gone, and because being run by a kind of demonic, joyless force that wants to destroy the essence of being human.
00:30:21.000And just how do those towers move around?
00:30:43.000Do you think, when you see these little things scuttling about, can you sort of imagine them one day in the not-too-distant future, perhaps in a pandemic, sort of ushering us into our homes?
00:31:45.000Ah, the old chickapoos are full of sweet insect juice and freedom.
00:31:50.000So I think something a lot of people are curious about is what happens between the time they click buy now and the product arrives at their doorstep.
00:32:00.000I've been numbed to the idea that anything takes place or the idea that when I flush the toilet that there's a subsequent set of actions because I've been isolated and atomized just like they want us.
00:32:10.000Not connected by a unifying force or deep light within us that could awaken at any moment and end this systemic corruption that governs our planet.
00:32:17.000I don't think about what happens after I make my Amazon order.
00:32:19.000I just slump down back on my sofa, put on the mainstream media and wait for the next Bout of propaganda like an obedient little prisoner of the state just like you want us.
00:34:17.000Look at all the graphics, all the trouble they've gone to!
00:34:19.000Do you remember, during the pandemic, do you remember them doing, OK, we're going to do a real thorough investigation of what the hell has just gone on, because it seems we've been told one thing and not others.
00:34:28.000So we're going to make some inquiries.
00:34:30.000Listen, if you're watching us on YouTube and you want to stay with us, you've got to join us.
00:34:34.000Do you hear what free speech sounds like?
00:34:37.000It sounds like a chat of people asking questions, having fun, together, unified, willing to overlook our differences to create the movement they're truly afraid of, an awakened population that opposes the establishment.
00:37:37.000Everything's essentially as you're being told by the legacy media.
00:37:40.000Certainly there's no evidence the big pharma or the military-industrial complex have undue influence when it comes to policymaking around health or foreign policy.
00:37:50.000And here's another story we just told you.
00:37:51.000Douglas Mackey, tell me if you're familiar with this story.
00:37:55.000This dude's got seven months bird, seven month proper jail time after being found guilty of election interference for making memes disparaging Hillary Clinton.
00:38:05.000One of the macro points of this is how do they not yet know that The problem isn't that people were disparaging Hillary Clinton.
00:38:13.000The problem is that Hillary Clinton is the epitome of an establishment politician that says one thing and does another.
00:38:19.000Talks peace while literally sanctioning the bombing of children.
00:38:24.000That seems to be at least part of the problem.
00:38:44.000There's no evidence to suggest that any voter attempted to cast their ballot via text, which was the nature of Mackie's meme, like our text your Hillary vote this way type thing.
00:38:53.000And in this, uh, in this item that we've made in advance, we'll be rather pleased with it.
00:38:58.000We talk about how, um, like the Democrat Party had the famous Piper strategy.
00:39:56.000Let's have a look at the kind of speech that's permissible and the kind of actions that are permissible and the kind of speech and actions that are not permissible and where is the moral authority positioned right now?
00:40:06.000Who's making these decisions and who benefits from them?
00:40:10.000Let's have a look at a piece of news footage from the time of Douglas Mackey's arrest, and then we'll look at the context surrounding it and how this will be used as a precedent, presumably, to control free speech, to manipulate online social media discourse, and all of the other ways.
00:40:24.000Let me know in the chat how you think it'll be manipulated.
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00:41:16.000It was kind of understood to be a practical joke.
00:41:17.000And can you imagine the effect it had?
00:41:19.000And can you imagine the effect it had versus, for example, the Russiagate hoax or the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story four years later?
00:41:26.000Now, this relates to activity in 2016, of course, but that in itself was a time where this hysteria was beginning to escalate.
00:41:33.000And I think the pieces were being put in place to create what is now known as the censorship industrial complex.
00:41:38.000When you have people being imprisoned for posting memes, when there's no evidence that it influenced the outcome of the 2016 election, it sort of shows this appetite for centralisation.
00:41:48.000It shows an appetite to shut down dissent, to control dissidents, to punish dissidents, as well as, more ideologically and perhaps abstractly, a refusal for the Democrat Party to accept that the reason people aren't voting for them It's because they're the party of war.
00:42:15.000When is there going to be some introspection and some meaningful change and some recognition of the very real corruption that's taking place within that particular organization?
00:42:23.000Mackey is accused of having used Twitter to … coordinate with other trolls in these private spaces, private group chats.
00:42:47.000They said that, you know, in these posts that certain celebs were on the Trump train, for instance, right?
00:42:53.000And just like the Russian campaign, we've been saying forever.
00:42:56.000The Russia misinformation, disinformation story has been proven to itself be disinformation and misinformation.
00:43:05.000And here we have the legacy media in a contemporaneous report, amplifying a message that proved to be untrue and presenting in the least favorable terms imaginable.
00:43:15.000Something that sounds to me like, just even looking at him, seems like he's just a kid messing around online rather than an alt-right terrorists. Can you see how there is nothing but condemnation
00:43:24.000for the opponent, nothing but compassion for their own perspective.
00:43:27.000Oh well we didn't know, we assumed Russia were interfering. Nothing but self-compassion
00:43:32.000and self-regard. The worst attitude. That's actually the
00:43:35.000reverse of the best values we could be aspiring to. How about we look at others as
00:43:39.000favorably as possible and look at ourselves with some degree of scrutiny and
00:43:43.000accountability. How about that as a perspective? There's a homegrown alt-right disinformation
00:43:49.000campaign and it was aimed at electing Donald Trump. And quickly Brandi, we
00:43:52.000really haven't seen the federal government policing election
00:43:55.000interference on social media posts before, but what could this mean for the
00:44:48.000Obviously, what's being created, and this is almost a historical artifact now, coming as it does somewhat from 2016, even though Douglas Mackey's just now been sentenced to imprisonment, is it shows you the trajectory of an idea.
00:44:59.000They started seeding misinformation and disinformation, all the while propagating it.
00:45:08.000Remember the notorious Pied Piper strategy, where the Democrats would back Republican candidates Financially, in order to amplify a message that they thought would be favourable to their outcomes.
00:45:19.000Now, whatever that is, it's kind of skullduggery and game-playing.
00:45:22.000It's certainly not, Hello, I'm a politician.
00:45:37.000What it plainly is is, hmm, if we are able to do this, then we could move in this direction.
00:45:41.000And if we say that there, and the fact that someone's gone to jail for sending memes that are not even that distinct from other memes under the auspices of, do you know what?
00:45:51.000People would have texted that number thinking they were voting for Hillary.
00:45:54.000No wonder she didn't win the election when everybody loved her so much because of the Douglas Mackey, a once well-known creator of memes on Twitter, has been sentenced to seven months in prison.
00:46:15.000This conviction marks a dramatic escalation in how free speech is being handled in the United States.
00:46:22.000The case was heard in the US Court of the Eastern District of New York.
00:46:25.000Mackie, who was known as Ricky Vaughan on Twitter, was found guilty of the federal charge after making memes that jokingly encouraged Hillary Clinton supporters to cast their votes via text message.
00:46:33.000This is not actually a viable form of voting, which Mackie and everyone else knew.
00:46:37.000There's no evidence to suggest that any voter attempted to cast their ballot via text in response to Mackie's meme.
00:47:03.000You know, when this starts getting more nuanced, you start to recognize that.
00:47:05.000The stripping away of humor, irony, beauty, aspects of human nature that are perfectly natural.
00:47:11.000Everything vilified, everything demonized, everything looked at in the worst possible light.
00:47:16.000Hmm, what's the worst way we could frame this?
00:47:18.000Quite interestingly, many have noted other internet users who shared similar content regarding the option of text voting for Donald Trump were neither charged nor convicted.
00:47:33.000The case is, as the New York Times reported at the time, was the first criminal case in the country involving voter suppression through the spread of disinformation on Twitter.
00:47:41.000Just popularising that idea of misinformation, just tying it to law, just enshrining it in real penalties, so that information now can be qualified, not on the basis of subjectivity, but on the basis of objectivity and law.
00:47:53.000This information is verifiably and legally bad.
00:47:57.000Oh, that's interesting that this information basically says, let us get on with The DOJ claimed that the meme from Mackie constituted election interference and the court agreed, despite there being no evidence to support the notion, that anyone who saw the meme was deceived by it.
00:48:17.000The complaint the DOJ said in 2021 alleges that in 2016 Mackie established an audience on Twitter with approximately 58,000 followers.
00:48:24.000Mackie has been found guilty by a jury of his peers of attempting to deprive individuals from exercising their sacred right to vote for the candidate of their choice in the 2016 presidential election.
00:48:38.000It's an expression that there's, like, a god?
00:48:41.000No, there's a oneness and there's a beauty.
00:48:42.000Where's that God and oneness and beauty in the advocacy for the ongoing wars that Hillary Clinton endlessly supported?
00:48:49.000Today's verdict proves that the defendant's fraudulent actions crossed the line into criminality and flatly rejects his cynical attempt to use the constitutional right of free speech as a shield for this scheme to subvert the ballot box and suppress the vote.
00:49:08.000Fraudulent actions cross the line into criminality and flatly rejected cynical attempts to use the constitutional right of free speech.
00:49:14.000The right of free speech just means you can say stuff as long as that in itself isn't a crime or likely to lead to a crime.
00:49:21.000Was that a crime, him saying vote for Hillary by text when you can't vote for Hillary by text?
00:49:26.000Is it not more likely that some of the Russiagate stuff was influential?
00:49:29.000The problem I think we have right now is neither side, no side, and gosh we've got to get beyond sides, are talking about Personal culpability.
00:49:36.000When are we going to see Hilary Clinton go, that's still dossier thing, that was out of whack.
00:49:40.000And maybe the reason people didn't vote for me in 2016 is because again and again I've been shown to be an establishment politician that uses rhetoric about compassion but when it comes to policy and action favours the interests of powerful financial and military donor groups and people just don't trust that anymore.
00:49:54.000And the reason a figure like Trump is so successful, I see that now.
00:50:03.000It's like a spiritual issue more than a political one at this point.
00:50:05.000This decision to penalise Mackey opens a Pandora's box in examining repercussions of online behaviour.
00:50:10.000In an era increasingly shaped by social media, the contours of free speech and interference are blurred, yet it's imperative to remember that the blanket criminalisation of online content may inadvertently lead to the suppression of opinion and curb the creative liberties of citizens.
00:50:22.000It's not inadvertent, that is what's happening.
00:50:25.000It's deliberate and necessary because you can't maintain control where people have creative liberty.
00:50:31.000On the subject of election interference and the Clinton campaign, an email released by WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling Donald Trump to the White House.
00:50:42.000In its self-described Pied Piper strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new mainstream of the Republican Party in order to try to increase Clinton's chances of winning.
00:50:55.000In a way, that kind of strategy is a bit worse than the online stuff, even if you look at those online posts in the worst possible light, which is obviously what's happening.
00:51:01.000If you were to say, well, how does that compare to the Democrat Party accepting funding, in some cases, from ordinary Americans, but in many cases, you know, from billionaire donor class, then using that money to make donations to the opposite party as part of a strategy to amplify voices within that party that they believe will lead to electoral victory.
00:51:18.000Now, you could call that strategic genius, although it obviously didn't work.
00:51:24.000But it's plainly not legitimate, authentic politics, is it?
00:51:27.000Also, one of the common refrains is, oh, politics has become so polarised, all these extreme voices, can't we all just come together and create one America?
00:51:35.000Well, yeah, but not if you actually amplify by your own reckoning the worst, most extreme voices in that party in order to specifically generate more polarisation.
00:51:46.000How insincere, deliberate, Machiavellian that is.
00:51:49.000How can you claim to want to heal America, create a better America, bring people together, if your actions and your expenditure demonstrate The exact opposite.
00:51:56.000The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right, i.e.
00:52:04.000make things worse by their own analysis.
00:52:06.000Clinton's camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be elevated to leaders of the pack and media outlets should be told to take them seriously.
00:52:14.000Other messages published by the whistleblowing organisation show how while the Clinton campaign was facilitating the rise of Trump, it was systematically undermining the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders, Clinton's left-wing opponent.
00:52:24.000So, on one hand, they are spending money to elevate voices they disagree with in order to make that party seem less favourable by their own reckoning.
00:52:30.000They're suppressing Bernie Sanders' support within their own party because Bernie Sanders weren't what they liked either.
00:52:36.000I mean, where is this avenue of correctness that we can exist within?
00:52:41.000Tweet that, that could have led people the sacred right of voting.
00:52:43.000Where's all the sancro-sanct attitude towards democracy when you're suppressing Bernie Sanders and using the Pied Piper strategy?
00:52:52.000Leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee show that the organisation which is supposed to be bound to impartiality sabotaged Sanders' insurgent presidential campaign which had mobilised millions of people and inspired a massive grassroots movement.
00:53:04.000So what Whatever that party is, and whatever complaints they might have, it's pretty extraordinary to learn that they use democracy in a way that seems to me anti-democratic and pretty disingenuous.
00:53:15.000Even in that news report at the beginning of our video, they talked about Russiagate because back then it was still, remember that Russian interference?
00:53:23.000Have you ever seen anyone significant in that party come out and go, sorry about that, we were wrong, we were lying, but you can trust us because we always tell the truth.
00:53:34.000Hillary Clinton personally approved her campaign's plans in fall 2016 to share information with a reporter about an uncorroborated alleged server backchannel between Donald Trump and the top Russian bank.
00:53:43.000Her former campaign manager testified in court.
00:53:46.000In September 2021, a lawyer for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign was indicted on charges of lying to the FBI in a 2016 meeting where he shared information about the Trump Organization and Russia.
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00:54:58.000In March 2022, the Democratic National Committee in the Clinton campaign agreed to pay a $113,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission for concealing their role in producing the steel research.
00:55:09.000A role, by the way, her campaign never admitted to, and which was only disclosed for a dogged effort.
00:55:14.000by the House Intelligence Committee nearly a year after the 2016 election.
00:55:18.000So that's a different perspective on election manipulation and misinformation, isn't it?
00:55:22.000One of the key moments in the 2016 campaign was a notorious basket of deplorables comment,
00:55:27.000which showed, I suppose, incredible insensitivity and a willingness to
00:55:30.000condemn a significant number, about 50% over, of American voters as kind of lunatics.
00:55:36.000You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.
00:55:40.000If you consider that in conjunction with a strategy to elevate voices from the,
00:55:45.000what she would probably call the basket of deplorable aspect of that demographic,
00:55:50.000then it shows a very confused and peculiar attitude towards democracy and which voices
00:55:54.000should be amplified and which voices should be shut down.
00:55:57.000Here's Hillary Clinton, even now, recently, saying that Trump supporters need to be kind of debugged or reconditioned, kind of like cult members.
00:56:32.000Further back, that tale goes back to 2008 and the banker bailout.
00:56:35.000That tale goes back to the handling of 9-11.
00:56:38.000You can't say that Trump supporters just burst up out of nowhere, already made deplorables and already extreme, without some kind of social context.
00:56:50.000Why is it that so many people are so angry and so mistrustful of the system?
00:56:54.000The reason I'm angry and mistrustful of the system, although I try not to be angry, is because I don't trust the system anymore.
00:56:58.000I've heard again and again establishment politicians say one thing and do another.
00:57:03.000I've heard them say, we'll look after you, we'll bring people together, or we're supporting this war for humanitarian reasons, or just basically everything, all of the time, suggests you can't trust them.
00:57:12.000Just take the pandemic period alone, from the beginning of it to the end of it.
00:57:18.000And sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega-extremists, take their marching orders from Donald Trump, who... Quickly, it comes up as a mega-extremist taking their orders from Donald Trump!
00:58:21.000This is after all the same woman who trawled with delight when she found out Muammar Gaddafi had been lynched in the streets following his US-led overthrow in Libya during her tenure as Secretary of State saying, I'm sure it did, when asked if his death had anything to do with her visit to the country.
00:59:48.000It must be election interference by that little lad with a few thousand Twitter followers rather than that litany of horrific condemnations from that article by Caitlin Johnston.
01:00:00.000It seems to me at this point that we are involved in a considerable spiritual battle that involves all of us.
01:00:05.000And a considerable part of that is our willingness to overlook our own previous alliances, our willingness to look at new models of democracy.
01:01:09.000Or the ongoing institutional establishment corruption that has become epitomised, at least in the views of Caitlin Johnston there, by Hillary Clinton.
01:01:17.000Let us know where you stand on that in the chat.
01:01:20.000Joining me now is a returning guest who I'm very happy to be speaking to because even were the subject not of value and interest, even if he hadn't written a fantastic new book, even if he wasn't wearing a hat that in itself suggests a degree of profundity, this is a man who is a genuine character in a world that can sometimes seem a little anodyne, stripped of novelty, character, casual contradictions of grandeur and Thank you for having me on today, Russell.
01:02:16.000Now, one of the topics that we discuss is the meat industry.
01:02:21.000Now for me, a snowflake, a vegan, a sensitive fella who wears a toweling bathrobe to an interview with a farmer.
01:02:30.000Even to discuss meat being industrialised at all is a difficult thing.
01:02:35.000But when you talk about the centralisation of the meat industry, how is that distinct from the kind of farming practices that you advocate for?
01:02:45.000And do you think it's possible to have a kind of compassionate farming or at least a type of meat farming that should be beyond the moral tenure of vegans and veganism?
01:02:59.000How is it distinct from the abattoirs and the slaughterhouse model and the kind of concerns that come out of that?
01:03:05.000What's the difference between centralised and decentralised in this instance, Will?
01:03:10.000Post-World War II, the meat industry changed dramatically.
01:03:15.000There's sweeping changes and I characterise it as centralised, industrialised and commoditised.
01:03:24.000And the centralization that you asked about is a key element of that.
01:03:31.000We went from having, prior to World War II, every little community, certainly every county seat, had its own little small town, independently owned abattoir butcher shop, where they actually dispatched animals, cows, hogs, sheep, goats, cut them up and sold to the local clientele.
01:03:54.000And during that era, it was incumbent upon the butcher and the farmer to make their product the best it could be.
01:04:04.000Because it was what they did for a living.
01:04:07.000They were able to sell it for more if they had the reputation for producing the best meat in the community, in the county, in the state, maybe.
01:04:18.000But the centralization that you referred to changed all that.
01:04:33.000And it, sadly, the cost that came out didn't necessarily, it wasn't so much efficiency as it was moving those costs to other areas, whether it be the environment, Or the welfare of the animal, or the economic shame that the farmer came from.
01:04:54.000There's just many, many bad, bad effects that came from this centralization that has just been so effective.
01:05:05.000We are the only four huge meat processors in the world now, I guess.
01:05:11.000in how often you find with any industry at all that under a little scrutiny and analysis
01:05:18.000it's revealed that industries are essentially monopolized or duopolized or there's just a
01:05:25.000handful of companies and organizations that are able to completely co-opt and control a market
01:05:31.000and it's pretty easy to see how these kind of institutions are able to benefit in times of
01:05:37.000crisis. One of the things that's been uniformly observed is that in the significant crisis that
01:05:42.000was the pandemic, whatever one's view of it was, large organizations seemed to benefit,
01:05:50.000this is a generalization, whereas smaller businesses generally speaking suffered.
01:05:54.000Now the agricultural industry it seems is one that is going through almost a time of
01:06:18.000And when you look at it, it seems like there's an agenda really to disempower farmers.
01:06:23.000That's why there's a farmers movement, it seems to me at least, across the world.
01:06:26.000Sri Lanka, Germany, the Netherlands, our country, India.
01:06:30.000Farmers are protesting and Vandana Shiva, for one, says it seems like there's an attempt to separate food from the people and that farmers are a kind of integral piece of cartilage that allow the kind of smaller scale practices that you espouse and stand for.
01:06:46.000So it's in a sense, it even goes beyond economics.
01:08:45.000All the things that we do that the cost are set aside for others to bear makes the product incredibly cheap, but the costs are not shared equally.
01:09:00.000When it comes to the impact of, in particular, meat and meat farming, let's call it, even though I personally, you know, I don't eat animals, even though loads of people at the moment are telling me, you have to eat meat, you have to eat meat to be healthy.
01:09:17.000Like a bunch of guests we've had on this show, Paul Saladino, he's a sort of a doctor.
01:09:22.000These people are saying it all the time.
01:09:24.000I'm sure our viewers know, like are hearing a lot of themselves, those of you that are vegetarian or vegan.
01:09:29.000I still continue to not eat meat for ethical reasons but also for ethical reasons I don't judge other people who see the world differently from me recognizing it's going to become necessary for us to form alliances that go beyond all of the various ways we could fracture and fragment our culture.
01:09:42.000I though have noticed that there seem to be climate change arguments again that appear to be about disempowerment of individuals and certain groups rather than their stated aim of making the world a better place.
01:09:53.000I wonder if you could touch on this aspect of climate change within agriculture and the push towards Fake meat.
01:10:03.000The bad rap that animal production has gotten is very much fake science.
01:10:13.000Here on my farm, a life cycle assessment was done that showed that we actually sequester three and a half pounds of carbon dioxide for every pound of beef we produce.
01:10:27.000It's on our website, wildoatpastures.com, an international environmental research group called Qantas did the work.
01:10:39.000What's wrong with animal agriculture is the industrialization of it.
01:10:46.000When we took the cattle off the land and put them in feedlots,
01:10:51.000we did turn them into carbon dioxide emitters.
01:11:00.000The villain is not the cow, it's the industrialization of the cattle industry.
01:11:05.000Is it likely that there will ever be measures that are about reversing that industrialization?
01:11:13.000And is that precisely what you're advocating for?
01:11:17.000Because I feel like if there's, let's call it an establishment push towards fake meat, and if there's a global movement, it seems at least, based on the number of protests and farmers movements across the world, to disempower farmers and to shut down traditional farming practices, Does that mean that through this kind of legislation and regulation that's being imposed, the interests of these centralised and industrialised farming groups must be being challenged, mustn't they?
01:11:45.000Or is there some way that they're able to navigate this space?
01:11:49.000if people are advocating for fake meat, if people are saying you've got to make these kind of changes and attacking industrialized farming, then how is it that it's not affecting the four or five beef providers in the United States and how come they're not lobbying against that?
01:12:04.000How do these two sort of apparently opposing ideas tarry?
01:12:10.000Well, I think that industrial food has incredible influence among our politicians.
01:12:15.000I don't just think that, it's very clear they do.
01:12:20.000I'm not sure we will, but if we see a meaningful change in the way our food is produced, it'll come from consumers and consumers only.
01:12:29.000It will not come from big multinational corporations.
01:12:43.000There are a lot of well-meaning people who have been falsely educated through the greenwashing efforts of big food, big tech, and it's very hard for consumers to know the truth.
01:13:05.000It's really important, if this sort of farming is going to feed increasing numbers of us, for consumers to know who their farmer is.
01:13:15.000You don't need to to go to the farm every week, but you need to know who's producing your food and how they're producing it.
01:13:22.000And there are differences in how we do it.
01:13:25.000Things that I do that I feel very, very good about and my customers feel good about might be off-putting to someone else.
01:13:33.000So that's why it's important that we know the farmer and understand how the food is produced and not rely on this messaging that We knock out greenwashing.
01:13:49.000Decentralization and localization obviously amount to the same thing.
01:13:53.000And at the beginning of our conversation, we were talking about how since the second world war, where there was an integral connection between animal agriculture and the people that were ultimately providing the meat, we've seen more and more centralization.
01:14:08.000In your book, A bold return to giving a damn, which is a very good title.
01:14:12.000One farm, six generations and the future of food.
01:14:15.000Are you outlining different ways that farming could be regulated or freed from regulation?
01:14:23.000Are you suggesting that what is happening is a real transition from agricultural techniques that are about localization, that are about working in harmony to a degree with nature, although agriculture And indeed civilization must to a point involve the subjugation of nature.
01:14:42.000Are you suggesting that there is an alternative way?
01:14:47.000Because we're sort of told that there's an inevitability to progress.
01:14:51.000In fact perhaps that's what Bill Gates represents more than anything else.
01:14:55.000there is this trajectory, there is this momentum of humankind towards science, towards technology,
01:15:03.000towards centralisation and the management of individuals, aggregation, that each of us really,
01:15:10.000our only individual role is to manage and monitor our individual input and output of calories and
01:15:18.000kilojoules and work done. That we're not supposed to be participating in politics other than in
01:15:25.000empty loud rhetoric. Certainly we're not meant to be involved in the organisation of our community,
01:15:30.000but we're supposed to be living in top-down oriented systems of control.
01:15:36.000So it's part of what you are trying to, and I'm not saying trying to,
01:15:40.000Part of what you are outlining is somewhat a return to values that were present even a few generations ago, as well as challenging the prevailing logic that technology, control, patenting of seeds, laboratory-made meats is the only future that's going to provide for humankind.
01:16:05.000Along those lines, what we advocate for clearly is localization as opposed to centralization.
01:16:12.000And it's about knowing the food provider and how they do it as opposed to commodities, which is a race to the bottom.
01:16:20.000Commoditization, almost by definition, means meeting lower standards, which just barely got to be above.
01:16:34.000What I hope happens with the book is that it allows sophisticated consumers to start to understand that the cheap cost that commodity food commands in the marketplace is full of offset expenses that's borne by society as a whole.
01:17:17.000I saw you on the panel with RFK, she or he or whoever says, you discussed how you pay your people well while adhering to an ethical model.
01:17:27.000How can we duplicate your model throughout the world?
01:17:30.000What are the procedures that every farmer can put in place today that will bring them the success that you've had?
01:17:38.000So I went from having 25 years ago three minimum wage employees to today we've got about 180 employees that make well above the county average.
01:17:49.000Now I'm not really proud of what my employees make.
01:17:52.000They make all I can afford to pay them.
01:17:54.000But the fact is it's a lot better under this model than it was under the commodity model I used to participate in.
01:18:02.000And I think it's the way it should be.
01:18:04.000You know, the industrial food system that feeds 90-something percent of us is driven by cheaper, cheaper, cheaper, taking cost out of the production.
01:18:19.000And those costs so often are born in other segments.
01:18:24.000You know, we have impoverished rural America by raising cheap, cheap, cheap food.
01:18:35.000It's impoverishment of various communities as this trend continues is one of the unaddressed aspects.
01:18:44.000And additionally, I suppose, something that we're becoming more aware of, but that is also difficult to discuss, is the impact of processed foods on health.
01:18:53.000The impact on meat that is being treated in a variety of ways, raised in a variety of ways, industrialized to use the term that you seem to be using, is also something that we don't discuss.
01:19:03.000Similarly, the impact, the eventual impact and cost of eating food that isn't healthy.
01:19:09.000I'm surprised, Will, how often there seems to be a kind of anthropological clue in the way that we should behave, i.e.
01:19:18.000given that we were not evolved And for thousands of years did not live with access to, although I do believe in a divine creator, don't take my use of the word evolved to mean I don't believe in the Lord of Light that created all reality, a one loving God behind all of us supporting us even now.
01:19:36.000What I want to say is when it comes to diet, for many thousands of years, we would not be able to access sugar, we would not be able to access fat.
01:19:43.000And it seems that the further we move away from the models of our long custom, the more likely it is that there are impacts to health, that there are impacts psychologically, that there are community and social impacts.
01:19:56.000So along with this sort of making, commodifying or commoditizing the process in the way that you describe, Will, the impact of that in terms of the economic impact on rural communities and the abandonment of a whole sector of society, That has corollaries throughout industry, you know, like in this country when mining communities were abandoned, when manufacturing jobs were lost, all forms of industry ultimately stripped back and stripped down, communities abandoned.
01:20:25.000It's interesting to see this happening in the area of agriculture and food, but in addition to the social and economic impact, there are health impacts.
01:20:33.000I suppose a part of your book is that the way that you raise animals is, I suppose, are you saying that it's ethically better if you're going to kill animals at all, and that it's better from a nutritional perspective?
01:20:49.000Yes, there's two very separate things there.
01:20:51.000But, you know, when I was an industrial commodity cattleman, which I was successfully for 20 years, I thought I was a great husband of my animals.
01:21:05.000I believed Because it's what I learned from my industrial father and from the University of Georgia College of Agriculture, that if I kept the animals well-fed, in a comfortable temperature range, and didn't intentionally inflict pain and suffering on them, that is great animal husbandry.
01:21:27.000Until I realized that, giving the animals the opportunity to express their natural cycles is just as important.
01:21:38.000I mean, being able for a cow to be able to roam and graze, a hog in a feedlot, a chicken in a confinement facility is not allowing the animals to express instinctive behaviors and it's a form of cruelty.
01:21:55.000And the same is true with any aspect of the industrial model that you want to track back to its source.
01:22:03.000It was all done to take cost out of production with very little consideration for the impact on the environment, the impact on rural America, and the impact on the cruelty of the animals.
01:22:24.000I talk about, as I often do, with a variety of experts, the impact of centralisation, industrialisation, commoditisation, beyond your area of expertise, agriculture, just across industry, across politics.
01:22:40.000It's extraordinary to me how quickly we're being moved away from the conditions of our origin.
01:22:47.000And of course, In progress in terms of finding better, more comfortable, more congenial ways to live would seem like a natural part of the drive of any human and of any community.
01:22:59.000But it seems like in part of your vision, as well as being an economic one, I recognize that you're a business person and that from making this transition from a more conventional industrial farmer to a more ethical, conscious, aware, localized, less cruel, More nutritional farmer.
01:23:18.000It appears that there have been benefits for you.
01:23:21.000I hope there have been benefits for you.
01:23:23.000But it seems, beyond that, it would seem to me that this is the kind of model that should be promoted systemically.
01:23:33.000And what I'm saying by that is it shouldn't be an advantage to industrialize agriculture.
01:23:39.000And if it is, because of economic and financial imperatives, Any sensible system and any switched-on conscious political movement would prohibit that, would regulate on behalf of that.
01:23:52.000Do you see in the political sphere any attempt to make your type of farming practices more popular, more accessible, more replicable, or do you see the opposite, Will?
01:24:06.000Well, I've seen the opposite for all my life.
01:24:09.000You know, the You raise a wonderful point.
01:24:14.000Food production, the operation of a farm, is meant to be very cyclical.
01:24:31.000When you take a cyclical system and make it linear, you can take great costs out of it.
01:24:38.000But the cost to just move somewhere else, it really don't go away.
01:24:44.000Yeah, when you say about the cyclical model, I suppose that is a model that is harmonious and it's a model that reveres nature and the natural movements of the system.
01:24:57.000I have a question somewhat founded on that.
01:25:00.000when before you said it's only consumers that can influence these models.
01:25:05.000What it seems to me is that when we are acting and that our culture induces this state as consumers,
01:25:13.000as individuals that don't have communal connections to one another, that don't even in many cases
01:25:19.000have an identity beyond our ability to interface with markets, to buy products, to look at screens.
01:25:29.000It's very difficult to imagine us organizing and having that kind of impact.
01:25:34.000I wonder if you're familiar with someone called Helena Norberg-Hodge, who's been advocating for localism
01:25:39.000for a long, long while for local markets, local farms, local communities, even local currencies.
01:25:46.000And I wonder if you acknowledge that there is a limit to how much can be achieved by A collection of individuals, indeed, isn't that one of the defining problems of our time?
01:25:58.000So many of us, you know, the very idea of the silent majority, so many of us would prefer peaceful, local, connected, less synthetic, less commodified modes of living, but those people, this great silent we, is not empowered politically, other than as consumers, and it's very difficult to organise in that way, Will.
01:26:24.000I think that most thinking citizens would realize that local, at least in terms of food production, which is what I'm really able to talk about, local is better for many, many, many reasons.
01:26:41.000Sadly, people are busy and people don't have time to focus on exactly the way the food is produced beyond the messaging that's put out by the big multinational food companies and tech companies.
01:26:57.000So I think that the thinking person that really puts the energy into it can quickly and easily realize that the industrialization, commoditization, centralization has done horrible things to our food supply.
01:27:34.000And especially when the messaging from the big multinational food companies is telling you that this stuff we've got on the shelf here is the best you can get.
01:27:45.000And I have been, I got to tell you that 25 years ago when I moved from the industrial model to what I do now, at some level I thought I was an early innovator that was going to be helping change the way we produce food.
01:28:00.000I would not have said that out loud, but at some level I thought that.
01:28:08.000It appeared to be, but the greenwashing has become so good that uh you can go on and on about things that are done but you know you can buy you i don't think i told you this before but you can buy beef labeled as american grass-fed beef and the animal was born raised and slaughtered in uruguay or australia or new zealand and the package plainly and legally says product of the usa
01:28:42.000So it's so, so difficult for consumers to know what they're buying unless they put a lot of energy and time into it to know who the producer is.
01:28:52.000And they probably have to spend more money for it because they're covering the costs that otherwise are spun off to society.
01:29:02.000We've got a fantastic question from Alpine Lake and see if you can find that guys and pull it up into the screen.
01:29:09.000I want to remind our viewers and show any new viewers what happened last time Will was on our show.
01:29:15.000Now at that time we were talking a lot About dear Hunter Biden and Hunter Biden's business practices, and Will was patiently waiting for the interview to begin, watching the conversation take place where Hunter defended his business practices, perhaps his place on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas company, and the other questions that arose out of the Hunter Biden laptop story.
01:29:46.000This is how he defended himself when speaking to a mainstream legacy media journalist.
01:31:21.000I'll send you this bathrobe, which I love, but it's got to be silk.
01:31:24.000I'm thinking it's got to be silk, and I'm thinking it's got to be short.
01:31:28.000Will, will you join us to answer our final question on individual and collective, how we can drive change individually and collectively over on locals, which is our community?
01:31:39.000Would you stay with us just for a few more minutes to answer that question there for us?