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00:01:09.000Thanks for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:01:12.000Thank you for rejecting the mainstream narrative and legacy media corruption in favor of an opportunity to build something beautiful together.
00:01:21.000We've got some fantastic content for you coming up.
00:01:28.000She had an amazing interview with legacy media and former White House spokesperson Jen Psaki, in which they talk about Election, meddling, and they talk about corruption and war.
00:02:38.000it's within your means, if it's possible, to make a commitment to us so that we know
00:02:42.000where you are and you know where we are. So that we can continue to fight for independent
00:02:47.000voices, so that we can oppose the state, so we can oppose corruption, so that we can try
00:02:51.000and find a way that we might unite in the spirit of something beautiful together, so
00:02:56.000we can have some values together, so we can have unity, so we can form new alliances,
00:03:00.000so we can challenge this thing, so that the serpent's head can be chopped right off. This
00:03:05.000is the time now, guys. Now, this is fantastic. To start, I want to tell you about USAID.
00:03:10.000They've revealed that they are subsidising Ukraine, and by their own words and in their
00:03:15.000own language, corrupt Ukraine, they say, with US taxpayer money.
00:03:22.000This is extraordinary because sometimes you think, well what's the agenda with Ukraine if we know that NATO provoked Russia, if we know that the 2014 coup needs a good looking at, if we know the military-industrial complex benefits, if we know hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian people are dying as a result of this conflict, if we know that much of the aid isn't finding its way into the correct places, if we already know that BlackRock are intending, already, investing in a post-war Ukraine, although God knows how long that's going to take because Because they love a long war, don't they?
00:04:00.000One of the things that Congress has given USAID since this full-scale invasion began is an unprecedented amount of money in direct budget support, which sounds kind of obvious.
00:04:14.000But it's totally unprecedented, this kind of scale.
00:04:18.000At this point, based on what you know about the values of the establishment, do you really believe that things like standing with Ukraine motivate them?
00:04:28.000We've got to stand with Ukraine, and there's nothing else in it.
00:05:05.000They're just saying we're giving $15 billion of your money, your money that you work for, because remember, the government hasn't got money.
00:05:12.000The government don't have a taco stand or a lemonade stand.
00:05:16.000It's your money, $15 billion of which they're taking and giving to a government that they say, this is just the words of the spokesperson, are corrupt.
00:05:28.000To do on corruption today. I don't know if we could have gotten that money out of Congress if not for DIA
00:05:34.000Because what DIA allows us to do is that direct budget support goes yes to the Ukrainian government
00:05:40.000But then it goes to pay teachers to pay health care workers to pay first responders and there's a digital trail
00:05:47.000It's not you know some official. So what is DIA and what is the intention here?
00:05:51.000Ask yourself first of all and let me know in the chat.
00:05:53.000Do you believe that this is a humanitarian mission or do you believe, like in previous wars, there is a cloak of humanitarianism that is placed over a potentially darker or at least more profitable agenda?
00:06:10.000DIA is the groundbreaking and award-winning mobile application that connects 19 million Ukrainians with more than 120 government services, dozens of digital documents, and has distinguished Ukraine as a world leader in e-government innovation.
00:06:23.000Does this sound like the beginning of a new type of passport?
00:06:28.000A new type of aggregation of information?
00:06:31.000A possible opportunity to pilot social credit scoring.
00:06:35.000Every single Ukrainian citizen has to have this app.
00:06:42.000All of your information neatly corralled and bundled into one convenient place by and for a government that have just been referred to as corrupt.
00:06:49.000Launched in 2020, the DIA app allows Ukrainian citizens to use digital documents on their smartphones instead of physical ones for identification and sharing purposes.
00:07:19.000And is poised to be shared with other countries.
00:07:22.000On the sidelines of the 2023 World Economic Forum in Davos, USAID Administrator Samantha Power said the US hopes to replicate the success of DIA in other countries.
00:07:32.000We talked throughout the pandemic period about the possibility of crisis situations being used to pilot technology that would become normalized and ultimately utilized to generate the possibility for control.
00:07:44.000Not for convenience, not for safety, for control.
00:07:51.000How that war came about, you can investigate.
00:07:54.000We've certainly made a lot of content about how it came about, but certainly they are in a war now and therefore in a crisis and therefore more amenable to ideas and schemes such as this one, which appear to me to be pretty immersive, totalitarian, potential digital dictatorship creating technological capacities.
00:08:12.000Let me know what you think, though, in the chat.
00:08:31.000That, in alignment with new CBDCs, the cryptocurrencies it's okay to like, would mean total control, as long as there's no precedent for shutting down people's bank accounts if, for example, the state disagrees with them, like the Canadian truckers.
00:09:31.000Surely this isn't somehow connected to biolabs?
00:09:34.000The US military outsourced some of its biological weapons research to the government, installed by the 2014 coup in Kiev, Democrat presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
00:09:43.000According to Kennedy, the bioweapons program is operated under the guise of life sciences research, such as gain-of-function experiments on viruses, and we all love those, right?
00:11:56.000Okay, seems like Rand Paul is making some pretty interesting points, and it seems that, as we've been saying here on our channel, and it's so important that you continue to support us, and thank you for supporting us, that what we need are new alliances that transcend the old partisan ideas that are increasingly irrelevant if what you have is a centralist authoritarian system that doesn't really offer you democracy, that just ushers through the agenda of the powerful, which requires ongoing war as one of its main Contingent and components.
00:12:23.000Let me know what you think in the chat and the comments, and if it is within your means, please become an Awakened Wonder and support us so we can continue to do this work with you.
00:12:31.000Now, you are gonna love this piece of investigation.
00:12:35.000It's a conversation between Jen Psaki, former spokesperson and press secretary of the White House, in conversation with Hillary Clinton, formerly, well, just Hillary Clinton, really, And we'll be talking about the nature of this conversation.
00:12:48.000Some of the claims that are made, some of the lies that are told, just sort of live lying.
00:13:06.000Hillary Clinton is on the legacy media, warning of potential election interference in 2024
00:13:19.000and of an authoritarian dictator invading foreign lands.
00:13:23.000But is this a matter that could be resolved by her simply looking in a mirror?
00:13:29.000Today we're talking about Hillary Clinton cropping up on MSNBC, Microsoft NBC as it's officially called, in order to warn us of potential electoral interference in 2024, as well as the mendacious actions of an authoritarian dick.
00:13:47.000So let's have a look at the interview where Hillary Clinton makes these claims, as well as looking at Hillary Clinton's previous record, Russiagate, and whether or not there's some potential hypocrisy here, and potentially too, seeding of ideas that means that when certain events happen it's possible to query them in advance.
00:14:05.000It's possible now that we're living in an immersive environment where big tech companies are able to curate realities for us.
00:14:12.000Let's present us with information that is favourable to their agenda and completely deny access to information that's challenging to their objectives.
00:14:20.000A figure like Hillary Clinton is, let's face it, an establishment entity who has been in alignment with the agenda of the powerful for many, many years now, whether it's the Iraq war, various invasions of Syria, and through the Clinton Foundation has numerous interesting relationships with very powerful globalist entities.
00:14:38.000Let's have a look at this interview together and see if we can observe where the real threat to democracy lies.
00:14:43.000Vladimir Putin has obviously your friend in mind.
00:14:48.000For a start, just note that Jen Psaki used to be the spokesperson for the White House just a few months ago and now she's being portrayed, presented, framed as an objective media voice.
00:15:00.000What we have here is just two establishment figures This is no moral judgement on them as individuals, I'll leave that to you in the chat and the comments.
00:15:07.000This is simply an observation that their interests are in total alignment.
00:15:11.000How can the media analyse and scrutinise potential corruption within the establishment when they are plainly part of that establishment, observably part, not in some opaque, obscure, conspiratorial way.
00:15:21.000People leave a job with the government, start a job with the media, and vice versa.
00:15:25.000He has intervened in our election in the past.
00:15:31.000And not only has it been disproven, it's the very kind of election result denying that has led to Donald Trump elsewhere being condemned, indicted.
00:15:40.000They're simply saying, Putin, we know this for a fact, interfered in the election.
00:15:45.000Don't you think there are bigger systemic problems that need to be analysed?
00:15:49.000Do you not think that a bigger problem, one that might be resolved, is that the Democratic Party has abandoned ordinary people, operates entirely for a donor class that Joe Biden says before the election nothing will meaningfully change to a room full of financiers?
00:16:04.000The idea that there is some external threat, some baddie, some bogeyman that's causing all these problems is the type of false dynamic that allows them to continue to neglect the function of democracy, service of the people.
00:16:17.000It's not something, as you experienced firsthand, it's not something we talk about a lot.
00:16:22.000I think they did cover it quite a lot.
00:16:23.000It's all that was on the television for ages and ages.
00:16:26.000Look at the name of the show, it's called Inside with Jen Psaki.
00:16:28.000You better believe you're inside with Jen Psaki.
00:16:30.000You're right inside the establishment with Jen Psaki.
00:18:28.000People have their own agenda, their own lives, maybe even their own colonialism, their own imperialism, maybe even their own criminal invasions provoked by the events of 2014 and NATO infringement, but criminal nonetheless.
00:18:41.000What people don't have is just some sort of pathological hatred for the idea of voting in an election.
00:18:46.000Although, there are some people that seem to hate democracy.
00:18:49.000And I think we're about to see one's face right now.
00:18:51.000He particularly hates the West, and he especially hates us.
00:19:43.000Your business, Jen, is making those lies seem like convivial, ordinary, everyday truth.
00:19:48.000And in order for us to facilitate that, we have to portray Vladimir Putin, who is, you know, president of Russia and probably has all sorts of crazy stuff.
00:19:56.000This is certainly not advocacy for Vladimir Putin.
00:19:58.000But he has to be turned into sort of a cartoonish villain straight out of Gotham in order to stop us thinking straight, in order to maintain us in a sort of state of continual bewilderment where we're unable to go, can we just put all this to one side for a moment and focus on how we might run our own lives and our own communities?
00:20:15.000What's going on with the price of our food?
00:20:16.000What's going on with the price of our energy?
00:20:22.000What's going on with funding an ongoing continual war which you admit has no end in sight, has no chance of being legitimately won in the traditional sense when you can't look after your own population notably, observably and obviously in Hawaii?
00:20:40.000Isn't it becoming increasingly clear that nothing short of revolution, a mass disobedience, a mass denial of these systems of corruption, is going to be required in order to change the world?
00:20:51.000Oh no, I didn't like that question, Jen.
00:20:54.000And sadly, he has a lot of apologists and enablers in our own country, people who either don't see the danger or dismiss it out of hand, or maybe agree with some of the positions he's taken on certain things, including his barbaric invasion of Ukraine.
00:22:28.000Part of the reason he worked so hard against me is because he didn't think that he wanted me in the White House.
00:22:36.000Well he wasn't alone in that, but it's not like you can't say that you're the anti-Putin, that Putin is like actually evil and therefore that you are actually good.
00:22:45.000I mean if that were true, if human beings weren't complex, made up of a whole network of sometimes contradictory emotions, goals and objectives, if that weren't reality, this is just an odd Framing for Hillary Clinton to offer us when we sort of know what her involvement in the Iraq war is, we know what her involvement in Russiagate was, we know what that foundation stands for, how it's funded.
00:23:07.000At this point it's not possible to claim that you're sort of an innocent shepherd just trying to do good in the world and it keeps ending up in children getting bombed somehow.
00:23:16.000We are where we are and part of the challenge Is to continue to explain to the American public that, you know, the kind of leader Putin is.
00:23:29.000This authoritarian dictator who literally kills his opposition.
00:24:44.000Why is it that you can't have on a news program like Jen Psaki, who's plainly an intelligent journalist and spokesperson, and Hillary Clinton, who's spent her whole life in politics, why can't you have the conversation where you go, look, obviously the NATO infringement on former Soviet territories exacerbated this situation, and the truth is that we were involved in the coup in 2014, that's just a matter of record.
00:25:07.000And plainly there is an agenda to rebuild Ukraine in much the same way that Iraq was subsequently built after that war.
00:25:13.000And I can see that American people might be mistrustful of our agenda after, you know, for example, the Iraq war, which I was of course personally involved in.
00:25:20.000And it might seem a bit high and mighty of me to say all of this stuff while I've been involved in the sort of droning and bombing of children all across the Middle East and numerous times we've deceived you.
00:25:29.000But that's just the way that politics is.
00:25:31.000And I'm really going to sort of try and do better.
00:25:32.000The reason you can't have that conversation is because that is not what politics is anymore.
00:25:36.000Politics is a closed cube of deception.
00:25:39.000The function of the media is to gloss that cube while appearing to interrogate it.
00:25:43.000You cannot have real interrogation in those spaces.
00:25:46.000You can have them in these spaces, and that's why these spaces are being attacked.
00:25:50.000Because in the end, I believe, and I pray that you do, that we'll go, why are we voting for these people that are trying to destroy the world and trying to destroy us and have no moral values?
00:26:56.000Just try and put aside the specificity of this particular issue.
00:26:59.000Doesn't a sentence like the Russians have proven themselves to be quite adept at interfering seem like something that belongs to a schoolyard or a couple of hundred years ago?
00:27:46.000An email released by WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling Donald Trump to the White House.
00:27:55.000What happened to that guy Julian Assange?
00:27:57.000Because wasn't he In its self-described Pied Piper strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new mainstream of the Republican Party in order to try to increase Clinton's chances of winning.
00:28:14.000That doesn't seem like the sort of plain-speaking, transparent democracy that's being described in the chat there with Clinton and Psaki, does it?
00:28:22.000Like, for example, sometimes what we do is we fund opponent politicians that we particularly dislike In order to create a false impression of our opponent's party.
00:28:34.000If you think of the founding fathers, if you think of the dreams of democracy, if you think of Athenian democracy, the idea that the populace, the public, the republic can together account for how society is governed, you wouldn't build into it, would you?
00:28:47.000Should we do this thing where we support our opponent?
00:28:49.000That's mendacity, that's Machiavellian and it's passed off as
00:29:13.000Clinton's camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be elevated to leaders of the pack and media outlets should be told to take them seriously.
00:29:21.000Other messages published by the whistleblowing organisation show how while the Clinton camp was facilitating the rise of Trump, it was systematically undermining the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders, Clinton's left-wing opponent.
00:29:31.000How can they claim to have any moral superiority?
00:29:34.000Look at what the tone, the general tone of that interview was a kind of moral piety, wasn't it?
00:29:39.000But Putin wants to destroy me because he knows that I wouldn't put up with any of that stuff
00:29:43.000where he divides people in two and all of that thing that amoebas do. I wouldn't have that,
00:29:48.000that's why. You know, it's all very pompous, isn't it? Very sort of certain of itself.
00:29:51.000But actually what they do is, right, let's promote those candidates. Keep Bernie Sanders quiet,
00:29:57.000for God's sake, he's got a bit too much to say for himself about democracy and the
00:30:05.000Again, glossing the cube with apparent inquiry that amounts to little more than deceptive lacquer.
00:30:11.000Leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee show that the organisation which is supposed to be bound to impartiality sabotaged Sanders' insurgent presidential campaign which had mobilised millions of people and inspired a massive grassroots movement.
00:30:24.000The sort of thing that they claim they're interested in, grassroots movements, people
00:30:28.000being genuinely interested in change, people of all genders and classes and races etc being
00:30:33.000mobilised and wanting to participate in their community, stuff that they would just say
00:30:36.000when it's just words that you could just spew out into a friendly media environment.
00:30:40.000If it actually happens they're like, oh no, that thing's happening where we can't make
00:30:58.000Let's have a look, once again, in case you've forgotten it, because the news moves so quickly these days, always a new agenda, at the Russiagate scandal.
00:31:05.000Hillary Clinton personally approved her campaign's plans in fall 2016 to share information with a reporter about an uncorroborated alleged server backchannel between Donald Trump and a top Russian bank.
00:31:16.000Her former campaign manager testified in federal court.
00:31:20.000In September 2021, a lawyer for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign was indicted on charges of lying to the FBI in a 2016 meeting where he shared information about the Trump Organization and Russia.
00:31:33.000Here are some words from Matt Taibbi on Russiagate.
00:31:35.000There are two reasons the Clinton story isn't a bigger one in the public consciousness.
00:31:39.000One is admitting the enormity of what took place would require a system-wide admissions by the FBI, the CIA and virtually every major news media organisation in America.
00:31:48.000The Clinton campaign created and fuelled a successful years-long campaign of official harassment and media fraud.
00:31:55.000They innovated an extraordinary trick using government connections and press to generate real criminal and counterintelligence investigations of political enemies, mostly all based on what we now know to be self-generated nonsense.
00:32:06.000The world has mostly moved on since Russiagate was 30 or 40 current things ago, but the public prosecution of the collusion theory was a daily preoccupation of national media for years.
00:32:15.000And as you saw just recently in this interview, they're talking about it again as if it was proven rather than the truth.
00:32:21.000A substantial portion of the population believed the accusations and expected the story would end with Donald Trump in jail or at least indicted.
00:32:28.000It's incredible how they could just create an alternative reality and it becomes sort of an unquestioned and almost objective fact.
00:32:35.000Clinton and her campaign systematically lied throughout both about collusion and about their involvement in disseminating popular theories about it.
00:32:43.000In March 2022, the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign agreed to pay a $130,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission for concealing their role in producing the Steele research, a role, by the way, her campaign never admitted to, and which was only disclosed through dogged effort by the House Intelligence Committee nearly a year after the 2016 election.
00:33:04.000So they had to pay a fine, and they denied involvement altogether.
00:33:08.000And then, still, right now, this is not historic, even though 2020 is not that long ago, is it?
00:33:13.000barely a year ago. Now they talk as if it's like, you know, well Putin hates me because
00:33:17.000obviously I'm so honest and he's always hated honesty and democracy and I don't think he
00:33:22.000likes these bracelets either. You know, like it's extraordinary isn't it? Why didn't Jen
00:33:26.000Psaki by the way, inside with Jen Psaki, go in? Well that when you had to pay that fine
00:33:30.000though. Why did you have to pay that fine? Jen, it's a difficult job you do.
00:34:14.000Another key component of Hillary Clinton's pious conversation was the condemnation of Putin's military actions and aggression, a subject that is quite close to her heart.
00:34:23.000As a supporter of the war in Iraq, Clinton racked up quite the rap sheet during her time as Secretary of State, escalating wars, greenlighting coups, and generally maintaining and expanding US power around the globe.
00:34:35.000In 2009, Clinton stood with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, a Republican, and called for 30,000 more troops in Afghanistan.
00:34:43.000I never wonder, like, what is the real difference between America sending 30,000 troops to Afghanistan and Putin sending troops to Ukraine.
00:34:52.000I believe it's wrong that Russia invaded Ukraine.
00:35:12.000Those are their mountains that they got.
00:35:14.000We need 30,000 boots right on the ground.
00:35:16.000It's the sort of same thing, isn't it?
00:35:18.000On most foreign policy decisions, including Libya, Clinton was in favour of equally aggressive action, if not more so than former Bush appointee Gates.
00:35:25.000Clinton and Obama got away with hawkish policies because they stuck to the language of humanitarian intervention and liberation.
00:35:32.000Clinton helped assert the right of the US government to intervene in any country of its choosing using the most brutal means possible to achieve its ends.
00:35:39.000Well, that's not that humanitarian, is it?
00:35:41.000Using the most brutal means possible to achieve your ends.
00:35:44.000Sort of authoritarian and sort of dictatorial and sort of aggressive.
00:35:48.000But isn't that what Putin's meant to be?
00:35:50.000Clinton was also an enthusiastic supporter of Obama's decision to step up the use of drone warfare in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
00:35:58.000Clinton and the Obama administration solved the drone program as a precise and effective way to target terrorists with fewer risks of collateral damage.
00:36:05.000But the numbers tell a different story.
00:36:07.000What are you going to trust, Hillary Clinton or some numbers?
00:36:10.000In his investigative report entitled The Drone Papers, The Intercept's Jeremy Scarhill demonstrates that the drone program is far from precise and that the death of civilians is a common gamble the US willingly makes.
00:36:21.000During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90% of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.
00:36:58.000From securing defense contracts for Lockheed Martin to brokering deals to build nuclear power plants for Westinghouse, Clinton and her ambassador CEOs traveled the globe to bring foreign governments and U.S.
00:37:10.000We have to position ourselves to lead in a world where security is shaped in boardrooms and on trading floors as well as on battlefields, Clinton said terrifyingly.
00:37:18.000Is it true that you travelled the world on behalf of American business interests trying to create systems of dominion, destruction and death?
00:37:34.000According to a report by David Sirota at Truthdig, American military contractors and their affiliates who donated to the Clinton Foundation were awarded some $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.
00:37:47.000And governments seeking to buy arms got the same preferential treatment if they sent money the foundation's way.
00:38:02.000So there you are. For Hillary Clinton it seems to me, and I would love to know what you guys
00:38:07.000think, that war is a type of business, whether it's the wars of the 90s or the noughties,
00:38:13.000or perhaps even this current war. It seems that the role of the media in relation to
00:38:17.000Hillary Clinton and the interests that she represents is to present that information
00:38:22.000in a favourable way, excluding, occluding, obscuring any potential inquiry that might
00:38:27.000lead us, the people, to recognise this simple fact.
00:38:30.000Hang on a minute, haven't we got more in common with one another than we do with these sets of interests that claim to be operating on our behalf?
00:38:37.000Wouldn't it be better if we were able to democratically intervene and prevent these unconscious systems of destruction from dominating our lives and the globe?
00:38:45.000This, for me, is what defines Hillary Clinton as a politician and as a public figure.
00:38:50.000Not based on some personal or visceral dislike, just based on the information that we've just shared with you.
00:38:56.000And personally I feel that the role of the media ought to be to interrogate, investigate, discover Inquire as to what the reality is.
00:39:03.000What are the media doing with their resources that they don't have time to present a more accurate account of the agenda of the Clintons, various top-level politicians that are presented as heroes.
00:39:13.000I believe it is the role of the independent media to investigate these subjects, to present alternatives, to bring you hope and light.
00:39:21.000The possibility that we could maybe change the world together if we were awakening together.
00:39:29.000People just sitting casually discussing about how bad Putin is, which he very well may be, without talking about their own role in literal global destruction and profiteering from death.
00:39:39.000It seems to me those are important subjects.
00:39:52.000Thanks for being a member of this community.
00:39:54.000That's a further example of how the mainstream and legacy media corroborate state imperatives and what passes as journalism is essentially propaganda.
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00:40:21.000I'm having a conversation right now with Jeff Garner, who's an eco fashion designer, whose new documentary, Let Them Be Naked, exposes, among other things, the toxins prevalent in our everyday clothing and is trying to revolutionise Yeah, thanks for having me.
00:40:37.000If you're watching us on YouTube, join us over on Rumble for yet another story that
00:40:41.000demonstrates how the world we take for granted is pervasively toxic, whether it's our food
00:41:20.000They're something that we feel entitled to and while occasionally we might think are these being made in sweatshops?
00:41:26.000Exploitatively in some far-flung land.
00:41:30.000That's the kind of thing we've become aware of in the last 10 20 years I've not considered the possibility that the process of the of making the clothes could somehow be toxic to the people wearing them But what have you learned?
00:41:43.000Well, you know, I've been doing this 25 years, and that's why I called it Let Them Be Naked, because the idea is that it's better to be nude than to be clothed in synthetics, because, you know, if you break it down and look at history, we basically, when we started clothing ourselves with synthetics after the war, for example, we ran out of silk parachutes, so we created nylon in the laboratory, right?
00:42:15.000And that's what we're in to today, because as we learn in the food industry, we have like You know, what we put in our bodies affects our bodies, but we never thought about what we put on our skin.
00:42:29.000It goes into it, goes into the bloodstream, and we've proven this through science, but, you know, nobody's connected the dots, so to speak, and so that's what this doc is all about.
00:42:37.000It's like I'm connecting the dots Showcasing that, yes, if we put this nylon that's non-breathable, that has toxins in it, it does enter the bloodstream.
00:43:10.000And nobody's studying this because why would a fast fashion company put money into research to study what they already know is prevalent, which are toxins in their fabrications, and it's going to affect the human health.
00:43:24.000So nobody's going to put money into it.
00:43:25.000So that's why I had to do this talk, because I know too much.
00:43:28.000And I had to go to my friends and say, hey, I need some money to do this talk, to expose this, because more people need to know.
00:43:35.000Because my mom, she basically passed breast cancer two years ago.
00:43:39.000If she would have known that potentially there's these carcinogenic toxins in this bra, in this nylon polyester bra, that could cause breast cancer, well, she would have chosen differently.
00:44:00.000Tell me, mate, what evidence is there that microfiber toxicity can create respiratory, immune and gastrointestinal health effects?
00:44:09.000I take your point that there is no appetite for expenditure on unprofitable advances.
00:44:16.000We've talked about this a lot in Big Pharma.
00:44:19.000No one will expend significant sums proving, for example, that natural immunity is effective or vitamin D or Numerous, now notorious, medications that potentially would have been effective in treating coronavirus.
00:44:31.000It's just one obvious prevalent example.
00:44:33.000And in big food, it's plain and apparent that excessive salt, sugar, artificial implementation and even preservation can be detrimental to diet.
00:44:44.000and more broadly, holistically, it's becoming apparent and obvious that our species and
00:44:48.000our kind have to look at ethnographic and anthropological information when it comes
00:44:53.000to designing a way for living, i.e. if we lived favourably in tribes of a hundred people
00:45:00.000for hundreds of thousands of years in harmony with our environment, eating what grew, when
00:45:26.000So obviously I'm completely open to the idea that in the pursuit of profit, in the pursuit of fast turnover, in the pursuit of effective fast dying techniques and manufacture techniques and Fast durability shortcuts are taken.
00:45:42.000I mean the nylon example is usually used to demonstrate the ingenuity of collaborative enterprises in New York and London famously and of course it solved a significant problem at a historic time but I am seriously interested in the possibility that something we take for granted, like the clothes that we wear, is just yet another one of those areas where our unconscious assumptions lead us to make decisions that we wouldn't make if we were well informed.
00:46:09.000So is there any evidence that the lymphatic system is inhibited, for example, by the fibres used in the clothing you described?
00:46:22.000And elsewhere, what evidence is there whilst I appreciate it's often difficult to come by evidence that is unprofitable evidence?
00:46:29.000There's a great book called Dress to Kill that Sid Singer did years ago, and he basically did a study in Fiji.
00:46:37.000And he basically, you could imagine, you know, as all tests, you have to have a case study in which you had women in Fiji that never wore a bra before.
00:46:46.000And then he basically put half of them in bras and kept the other half without bras.
00:46:51.000So what he discovered was basically the women that were in bras, 90% of them, developed cancer. And so you can read a study and it's
00:47:03.000basically been buried, you know, a few times in that sense, but it, you know, it's been out there, but
00:47:10.000it's been buried because you got to understand there's companies out there that don't want this
00:47:16.000There's, you know, chemical companies that have made billions, 37 billion a year off of putting these toxins in the clothing and manufacturing.
00:47:25.000So yeah, there's ample proof, ample studies, you know, and basically, you know, in that book, it goes into detail exactly what, you know, the problem That resides is simply biochemical levels.
00:47:39.000For example, you know, you're talking about earlier about the respiratory system.
00:47:44.000So as you can understand, like smoking took a long time to prove that it causes lung cancer, right?
00:47:50.000So now we're in that same kind of space where we're trying to prove that these these chemicals off gas in your clothing.
00:47:57.000For example, if I'm in the sun and I'm sitting in polyester nylon, it's going to off gas carbon monoxide, right?
00:48:06.000Say you have a cloth, you know, covered car seat and you close the windows and it sits in the sun, it's going to off-gas.
00:48:13.000You open that car door, you're going to smell that ammonia and that's the off-gassing.
00:48:18.000So that new car smell, that's going to go into your lungs.
00:48:21.000It's going to affect your respiratory system.
00:48:24.000So it's these kind of things that we don't think about on a daily basis because we think somebody approves that this is sitting on a shelf selling in a retail store and it's safe for us.
00:48:39.000Yeah, in this talk we're going to go through, obviously, the science and the proof and all that, but the problem is it's spread out.
00:48:45.000It's in all different years, all different categories.
00:48:48.000There's books, there's, you know, published studies, and we're putting it all together so that people can, like, just see the, you know, see the steps and see all the connection points and all the synergies, and that's the important part.
00:49:01.000So, no, I can't sit here and say, hey, there's this one book or this one study that proves it all, because it hasn't been put together.
00:49:08.000So part of the endeavor of your documentary is to correlate and compile the various pieces of evidence that suggest that the fashion industry, or not even the fashion industry, maybe just clothing, fast-consumed fashion, The needless consuming and endless acquisition of commodities has detrimental side effects.
00:49:34.000Now this is something that I guess most of us are to a degree unaware of.
00:49:37.000Certainly me, I was thinking then about like, what about the t-shirts that we're selling,
00:49:41.000like our merchandise, which raises money for our foundation that will now make donations individually
00:49:48.000to people with addiction and mental health issues, that no doubt that's, you know,
00:49:52.000that was, we sort of gave that to cost-effective t-shirt manufacturers.
00:49:56.000That's probably the sort of stuff that's affected in this way.
00:50:00.000And it's interesting that even something like this that can seem somewhat niche very quickly,
00:50:07.000if you'll forgive the pun of the image, once you start to unravel those threads,
00:50:11.000you see it starts becoming connected to systems of aggregation and consumerism
00:50:18.000that are fully immersive experiences for us, whether it's the way that we eat food,
00:50:23.000the clothing that we wear, the shoes that we wear, the TV that we watch, the way that we use technology.
00:50:29.000We're living in a curated reality that just doesn't apply basic common sense.
00:50:34.000Like it's plain that synthetic materials will not harmonize easily with the processes of
00:50:43.000But, as you have pointed out, there is no appetite to demonstrate the problems of toxicity
00:50:50.000inherent within these models because it will mean a lot of money will be lost.
00:50:55.000My understanding is that we're wearing more clothes than ever, purchasing more clothes.
00:51:02.000Is it 80 billion pieces of clothing each year that we're just consuming mindlessly products that it's possible are possibly intoxicating and detrimental?
00:51:17.000I mean, when you talk about your merchandise, for example, I started in band merchandise when I was young in Nashville.
00:51:23.000I did all the rock and roll bands and the plastisol ink is what's used to set the ink, you know, so you run through these dryers and I learned very quickly like, wow, nobody's wearing masks and this person's getting sick and So yeah, there's, it's pretty much in every, you know, element of production so reality is we don't have, you know, these policies that are protecting, not only the workers but also ourselves from wearing it because
00:52:32.000There's detergents that have all these chemicals in it as well.
00:52:35.000These toxins that they don't have to disclose because they're protected as their special ingredient.
00:52:41.000So you could see where it's just really taken over in our fashion world and that's why they say it's the second, you know, most pollutant industry and it really is.
00:52:50.000That's something that you can change quickly and easily.
00:52:52.000You know, all your listeners could literally go home today and change their detergents and that's a very quick Beautiful fix because that will change what the water, you know, I live next to the ocean.
00:53:05.000It's going to go straight in the ocean.
00:53:06.000It's going to go into water streams, etc.
00:53:08.000So, you know, all these things are connected.
00:53:13.000At Community Festival this year, Vandana Shiva, activist and world teacher, gave me a scarf that was grown from cotton that is non-patented seeds, woven by people using traditional practices, dyed with natural indigo, and she explained to me that this piece of fabric was revolutionary, bypassing, as it does, many of the systems of control that dominate Indian agriculture and textile manufacturing.
00:53:42.000Of course, Gandhi, that great imperature for disobedience, revolution, opposing imperialism, began many of his campaigns with the simple assertion that he would only wear homespun cloth that he himself was in control of.
00:53:59.000I sense throughout culture, whether it's food or farming, which are obviously ideas that are connected now with what you're talking about, fashion, within diet, throughout the world, It seems that people are awakening to the idea that what is required are decentralized models.
00:54:17.000As long as we are aggregating and operating with top-down structures where a few monopolies or extremely vast enterprises are able to control markets, often because of practices like you describe, fast turnaround, chemical support, lack of investigation in alternatives, Lack of local alternatives, inability for proper competition, inability even to have ordinary craft and indigenous design and indigenous practices.
00:54:49.000Because of this tendency it's almost like every area of ordinary life is dominated by consumerism, dominated by profit and things like the Potential toxicity a kind of lost by the wayside so it can become quite revolutionary to step outside of these Systems, so I suppose what you're proposing Jeff is that you know oh well where possible we step outside of these ecological Ecologically unwise systems, but even then when you mentioned the detergents and stuff I feel like things like that are more expensive and I bet we've like the sustainable fashion and
00:56:14.000Well, if you go backwards, you learn why.
00:56:17.000Because of unfair You know, ethical trade, their labor practices, you know, cheap ingredients, cheap fabrication.
00:56:25.000So, you know, until we educate everyone to say, hey, this the reason why I make this hemp T-shirt for 40 dollars is because that's my true price.
00:56:33.000That's my true cost of buying the hemp because hemp takes more, you know, to make, etc.
00:56:43.000So until we can turn it over and help people join this movement of, hey, wearing natural fibers are better for you.
00:56:51.000You're not going to drive that commerce is going to help get it cheaper.
00:56:56.000And so we're kind of stuck right now because we want to be give that availability to everyone.
00:57:02.000But the fact is, I would go broke if I made a seven dollar T-shirt.
00:57:06.000I would be paying for everyone's T-shirt.
00:57:08.000Obviously there needs to be a profound ideological shift.
00:57:11.000We need to break away from the model of disposability and consuming.
00:57:16.000Of course, the easily accessible off-peg items produced elsewhere using technology and techniques that may be detrimental, even carcinogenic, it takes us kind of a step.
00:57:32.000When people talk about the radical change that's plainly required in the world, I sometimes wonder what that will feel like.
00:57:38.000What would it feel like to untether yourself from media that doesn't like you?
00:57:43.000And once you've done, what would it feel like to untether yourself from food that is toxic?
00:57:48.000To stop consuming in order to make yourself feel better?
00:57:52.000Of course I know that there's something that I do.
00:57:54.000I'm still someone who tries to make myself feel better by buying something or watching something rather than staying deeply attuned to What it is I'm experiencing, allowing sadness or fear or grief to pass through me, sooner just grab something off the peg to soothe it or stuff some sugar down my mouth in order not to feel it.
00:58:12.000You know, in a sense it becomes quite seismic to re-harmonize with nature in a kind of somewhat arcane way, but just due to the nature of the processes of civilization it is a form of progress to recognize these models aren't working.
00:58:29.000This quick fix food that is processed and quick fix consuming and adorning yourself with fabrics that are potentially toxic.
00:58:39.000Everywhere you look, you see that people are in despondency and despair.
00:58:43.000Everyone is suffering because they can't afford fuel or food.
00:58:49.000Meanwhile, the industries behind these products continue to prosper.
00:58:54.000Where we're given information that just doesn't make sense to us anymore.
00:58:58.000So whilst what you're suggesting in some ways feels like radical and in some ways difficult to grasp, for me I believe it's part of an essential, holistic and fundamental change that is necessary and I suppose your opportunity to convey that to a large audience is going to come in the form of your documentary, Geoff.
00:59:18.000So I understand you're in the process of making it now.
01:01:29.000So, you know, I'm doing this for every mother out there, Every individual, every buddy that has prostate cancer, I just want to give back the power of choice to consumers.
01:01:42.000And that's why I make, you know, hemp boxers for my buddies, because they don't have an alternative.
01:01:47.000You know, there's something in the boxers and polyester, there's a positive and negative ion.
01:01:51.000And when they hit, like when you're a kid and run across the carpet, and you could shock your brother or sister, That is, that's what's happening to your scrotum.
01:02:01.000So there's a reason why we have issues with impotence today and, you know, childbearing issues and et cetera, because it stems from what we're wearing.
01:02:10.000And we just don't realize it because men went from wearing wool boxers to cotton boxers, DVDs, to now these sexy spandex-type, you know, boxers.
01:02:32.000There has been, I feel like fertility rates have dropped by maybe 50% in males.
01:02:37.000So as well as a dietary and environmental factors, clothing is plainly a component.
01:02:42.000And I hope that your documentary Does the necessary work of revealing where further research is required in order to demonstrate the shortcomings of an industry that seems to be part of the immersive consumer experience which in itself facilitates just more unconscious behavior which appears is in some cases literally killing us.
01:03:04.000You can follow Jeff's work by going to prophetic, that's with a K, dot com.
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