Stay Free - Russel Brand - PROOF! Biden's Fuelling Even MORE WAR! - #133 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:00:36.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:49.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:00:50.000 Thanks for joining me on this voyage to truth and freedom.

00:00:53.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, we'll be there for about 10-15 minutes, then we will be exclusively available on free speech, or as some are calling it now, Freach Platform Rumble, where you can freely talk about stories like NATO censoring anti-NATO rhetoric on social media.

00:01:13.000 Who benefits from that?

00:01:15.000 Please don't criticise NATO!

00:01:17.000 That's a hate crime!

00:01:19.000 Also, we're going to be talking about RFK Junior's claims about Anthony Fauci, which literally can't be discussed on YouTube, as well as talking at some length about the 4.5 million people who died in the post-911 conflicts, and let's think about how that was framed.

00:01:39.000 when it happened. But to ensure that we remain somewhat frivolous, my on-screen assistant

00:01:45.000 and I, we're going to bring you a story where a British regional news reporter for the BBC,

00:01:51.000 which Elon Musk would say is what state media, Elon Musk would call that, state media are calling

00:01:56.000 to Elon Musk. Have you seen that guy, boogie? Watch her at each...

00:02:01.000 She ends the news with the phrase, good boy.

00:02:03.000 I don't know.

00:02:04.000 Does the news end with good boy?

00:02:06.000 Well, it would if it was in your world.

00:02:08.000 Yes, it would.

00:02:08.000 Good boy.

00:02:09.000 You are a very good boy.

00:02:11.000 Yes, well, I think so.

00:02:12.000 I don't know.

00:02:13.000 Oh, God, is this good?

00:02:14.000 Let's have a look.

00:02:17.000 Tonight, Luke North is back in BBC Breakfast from 6.25.

00:02:21.000 Good boy.

00:02:23.000 Who's that aimed at?

00:02:25.000 What does she do afterwards? 0.99

00:02:26.000 Does she react?

00:02:26.000 Does she sort of acknowledge that that was a weird thing to do?

00:02:29.000 Nope, she just looks down at the pen and carries on.

00:02:31.000 Look North.

00:02:33.000 I would have loved to see the reaction of you watching that real time.

00:02:37.000 On your own, in your bedroom.

00:02:39.000 If I watched that on my own bedroom instrument, good boy.

00:02:42.000 I'd be writing a fan letter straight away.

00:02:44.000 Dear News Lady, you're the only one who understands me and what I need to feel okay.

00:02:49.000 Also, sorry to hear about that massacre in Lincoln.

00:02:53.000 Uh, hey, look at this.

00:02:55.000 If you need to smuggle drugs and you don't, because drugs are bad... Allegedly!

00:02:59.000 No, actually, no, actually, they are bad, aren't they?

00:03:02.000 They actually are bad, aren't they?

00:03:04.000 Uh, why not try dressing up your cat as a ba- Look at this headline.

00:03:08.000 Woman dressed cat up as baby in attempt to smuggle drugs into resort. 1.00

00:03:13.000 She dressed the cat up.

00:03:14.000 Attempt?

00:03:15.000 I mean, she didn't even get away with it.

00:03:16.000 She went to all that trouble. 0.95

00:03:17.000 Look at that little cut.

00:03:18.000 That is an adorable little guy, isn't it?

00:03:20.000 It looks quite passive, and, I don't know, is it actually, if you look right into the eyes of the cat, you can see it's a bit pissed off.

00:03:28.000 Right.

00:03:28.000 It's annoyed that this is happening.

00:03:29.000 Although some animals don't seem to matter, do they?

00:03:31.000 They don't seem to mind.

00:03:33.000 What, dressed up in clothes?

00:03:34.000 Yeah, they don't seem to mind.

00:03:35.000 I think they've been, in some way, chemically neutered.

00:03:38.000 Right, I see.

00:03:38.000 Those animals, because that's a rob in their dignity, isn't it?

00:03:41.000 To sort of, like, I've got children, my children want to dress all my animals up.

00:03:45.000 We put a bow in Bear's hair once, that wasn't the right thing to do.

00:03:47.000 How did they feel about that?

00:03:48.000 He was actually... He was alright.

00:03:50.000 He was alright, but he didn't know, though.

00:03:52.000 I think if I showed him that it was compromising on him, he wouldn't have noticed.

00:03:56.000 The thing about this is that already, like, she's... Like, they're suggesting that if she'd have done it with a real baby, that she might have got away with it.

00:04:04.000 But it was the fact that they discovered, first of all, hang on, that's not a baby, it's a cat.

00:04:08.000 Okay, let's just check what's going on here.

00:04:10.000 Wait a minute, that's not a baby, it's a cat!

00:04:11.000 And what's in its pockets?

00:04:12.000 Drugs?

00:04:13.000 What the hell is this now? 0.96

00:04:15.000 Oh, sorry, the cat's addicted to drugs. 0.95

00:04:16.000 That's what's made it think it's a baby.

00:04:18.000 Oh, carry on, men.

00:04:20.000 This all makes sense now.

00:04:21.000 You're right, what drugs do you imagine it was that the drug's from?

00:04:24.000 Um, I'm gonna say cocaine.

00:04:26.000 Potential drugs, no.

00:04:27.000 You've missed an opportunity for a joke, and here are all the jokes.

00:04:30.000 Catamine, that's a potential one.

00:04:32.000 Meow meow, which is a slang term for drugs.

00:04:35.000 Catnip, another drug.

00:04:36.000 Okay, but that isn't... That's not news.

00:04:41.000 My mum grows that.

00:04:42.000 Oh God!

00:04:44.000 Does she dress her cat up as a baby? 0.99

00:04:46.000 Did she dress you up as a cat?

00:04:48.000 Do you see, this is a bit like in Fight Club when he learns, wait a minute, I'm actually, I'm on my own in this fight club!

00:04:55.000 It's only me I'm sitting here, first of all!

00:04:57.000 Yeah, what are you telling me for?

00:04:58.000 I am you.

00:04:59.000 Oh, well, you already know, so, you know, the stuff about don't talk about it.

00:05:02.000 Yep, I know that.

00:05:03.000 I am me.

00:05:04.000 Okay.

00:05:05.000 A speeding driver has found an ingenious way to foil a arrest.

00:05:11.000 So he's pretending that his dog drove the car.

00:05:13.000 That's worse than speeding!

00:05:15.000 Yeah.

00:05:15.000 Sir, can I tell... I'd like to know from you that you're travelling at 35 miles an hour and this is a 30 mile an hour area?

00:05:22.000 Well, actually, talk to my dog.

00:05:25.000 He was actually driving.

00:05:26.000 Well, you are actually legally culpable for a much worse crime.

00:05:30.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 What's that baby doing in the back of the vehicle? 0.98

00:05:33.000 MEOW!

00:05:35.000 What kind of family are you living in?

00:05:37.000 Sylvanian families, only from Tomey.

00:05:40.000 Yeah!

00:05:41.000 You'll get that if you're British. 1.00

00:05:43.000 If you're not, you might not.

00:05:44.000 And you might even now be frantically demanding a refund.

00:05:48.000 Where's my free speech?

00:05:49.000 Where's my conspiracy theories?

00:05:51.000 Where's information that will reveal to me that the establishment is corrupt?

00:05:55.000 That we've been lied to?

00:05:56.000 That the mainstream media are corroborating and supporting lies

00:05:59.000 as in the Russiagate case, then still trying to claim some moral high ground?

00:06:04.000 Where is some analysis of succession that shows me in spite of its ingenuity,

00:06:08.000 it still functions as a kind of neoliberal...

00:06:12.000 Come on.

00:06:12.000 that suggests there is a bifurcation down the centre of American politics

00:06:16.000 where there's goodies on one side and baddies on the other when in fact the establishment is stinking corrupt

00:06:20.000 and needs to be brought down from within.

00:06:22.000 All those things are coming up, but first, here's my dog getting a parking ticket.

00:06:26.000 Get in the car.

00:06:29.000 Come on. Do you want a ticket?

00:06:32.000 You want a ticket?

00:06:33.000 Do you?

00:06:34.000 Do you want a ticket?

00:06:35.000 Get in that car!

00:06:36.000 Bear, get in that car or we're gonna give you a ticket, aren't we mate?

00:06:39.000 Yeah, we gotta take it.

00:06:41.000 ...is that the traffic guy understood the whip pan.

00:06:45.000 He knew that that was the time to say...

00:06:47.000 This is my moment.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:49.000 It's good, isn't it?

00:06:50.000 Because the rest of the time, he is a traffic warden and he gave my wife a ticket the previous day.

00:06:50.000 Yeah.

00:06:53.000 Did he?

00:06:54.000 But you forgave him for that?

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 I didn't even... I'm on his side.

00:06:58.000 Oh, she's a menace, is she? 1.00

00:07:00.000 I believe that she needs to be curtailed through administrative measures. 0.98

00:07:04.000 Yeah, did she try and blame Bear as well?

00:07:06.000 Well, when she saw that video, she went, he gave me a ticket yesterday.

00:07:10.000 Wow.

00:07:10.000 I go, no, he's alright.

00:07:11.000 I could tell he had beautiful... he has innocence in him.

00:07:13.000 You can tell.

00:07:14.000 He's a lovely man.

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 He's a real traffic warden.

00:07:17.000 If we can look into one another's eyes in good faith and love, we can change anything.

00:07:21.000 Even a man that's about to... What if he'd given you a ticket?

00:07:23.000 I wouldn't have liked that.

00:07:24.000 I'd have brought him down from within.

00:07:25.000 I'd have lied about him on the floor.

00:07:27.000 You've tried to give a ticket to a dog.

00:07:29.000 A dog's not a vehicle, is it?

00:07:30.000 A dog... At most, at best, it's a drug mule, if you dress it as a toddler.

00:07:35.000 As a hairy boy.

00:07:36.000 It's my hairy child.

00:07:39.000 Don't look in his pockets or his bottom. 0.79

00:07:41.000 I shouldn't have to tell you that.

00:07:43.000 You're not even a customs officer.

00:07:44.000 You're meant to be selling sweets.

00:07:46.000 What kind of shop is this?

00:07:48.000 Sylvanian families, only from Thurmey.

00:07:51.000 In that car.

00:07:53.000 You! Come on! Oh dear. Otherwise it's a ticket.

00:07:59.000 Please sit down again. Get in that car, mate.

00:08:03.000 How manipulative he is.

00:08:05.000 If you've just tuned in, we're talking about animal facts.

00:08:08.000 Also though, NATO have been censoring...

00:08:11.000 Social media sites are censoring criticism of NATO.

00:08:15.000 So, look, we are going to talk about serious stuff.

00:08:16.000 Also, Biden is selling weapons to the majority of the world's authorities.

00:08:20.000 Now the army wants social media surveillance to protect the NATO brand.

00:08:20.000 NATO censorship.

00:08:24.000 NATO ain't a brand, is it?

00:08:26.000 Is it?

00:08:27.000 Uh, well, I don't know.

00:08:28.000 Don't speak ill of NATO!

00:08:29.000 Well, I like them people.

00:08:31.000 I think, oh my god, I think this was Trump.

00:08:32.000 Trump went, what have we even got a NATO for? 0.91

00:08:34.000 Shut it.

00:08:35.000 Yeah.

00:08:36.000 I think it was Michael Schellenberger when he came on here, said like that when Trump said stuff like that, it was like groundbreaking.

00:08:43.000 That he is a berserker.

00:08:43.000 Yes.

00:08:45.000 And again, recent revelations that, I'm speaking particularly of the Russiagate ones, Make me feel like that all of the condemnation and even for people that I actually respect like Jon Stewart saying no Trump is a definite definite baddie and there are obvious stories in the news at the moment that are pretty difficult to decry when morally indicting Trump, shall we say.

00:09:09.000 But in a climate where there's been cohesive, collaborative efforts between the mainstream media, funded by the Democrat Party, perpetrated by the FBI, that were known to be untrue from the get-go, as our recent story on that subject demonstrates.

00:09:25.000 If you've not seen that yet, it's probably up on Rumble now.

00:09:27.000 It's up on Rumble now.

00:09:27.000 It is.

00:09:28.000 It's an amazing, amazing story.

00:09:28.000 Have a look at that.

00:09:31.000 If there's no trust in any institutions, judicial, electoral, who's got the moral authority now?

00:09:38.000 Who do you actually trust?

00:09:39.000 Is it some really dead people?

00:09:41.000 Like, I don't know, Gandhi?

00:09:42.000 Nelson Mandela?

00:09:43.000 I don't know who we turn to for any kind of moral authority.

00:09:46.000 Who do you turn to?

00:09:47.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments.

00:09:48.000 This is another one of those not-million-miles-off-the-Twitter-files kind of revelations.

00:09:53.000 So this story is the U.S.

00:09:54.000 Army Cyber Command, you don't have to know what that is, told defense contractors, so there's a meeting behind closed doors between the U.S.

00:10:01.000 Army and the defense contractors, already you would think, why is that happening?

00:10:06.000 It planned to surveil global social media used to defend the NATO brand.

00:10:10.000 This is a recording that the Intercept got hold of.

00:10:13.000 The remarks came during a closed-door conference hosted by the Cyberfusion Innovation Centre, a Pentagon-sponsored non-profit that helps with military tech procurement.

00:10:25.000 The mass social media surveillance appears to be just one component of a broader initiative To use private sector data mining to advance the Army Information's warfare efforts.

00:10:35.000 So this is a way in which the Army is using, as it says here, private sector data mining in much the same way the Twitter files revealed that private big tech companies were being lent on by the government.

00:10:48.000 To basically do the job of defence contractors in terms of helping them out, making sure that the NATO brand doesn't suffer and therefore that wars perpetuate and military equipment keeps on getting bought.

00:11:01.000 It's such an insidious world happening behind closed doors that the army, the defence contractors, the big tech companies are all in it together to kind of create this world where we just need to keep buying weapons.

00:11:13.000 It's pretty sad.

00:11:14.000 Right, right.

00:11:15.000 I think, also, that when you find out that criticism of NATO is being censored on social media, you think, oh, why is that happening?

00:11:25.000 And then you can trace it back to because they need NATO's integrity to be unblemished in order to continue to legitimise weapons.

00:11:35.000 When you find that out, you go, oh God, it's exactly as I've always believed it to be.

00:11:40.000 And when you find out Now that four and a half million people were killed in the post 9-11 conflict, it makes you further query the legitimacy of foreign wars underwritten by either righteousness, war against terror, humanitarian motives.

00:11:58.000 How much longer can we continue to legitimize the narratives advanced by an establishment that has again and again revealed what motivates This is a new report and it's called Death Outlives War.

00:12:11.000 And I guess it's one of those things that we don't think about very often,

00:12:14.000 about the way in which actually more deaths happen, more people, especially children and the impoverished,

00:12:19.000 and marginalized populations have been killed by the effects of war

00:12:23.000 rather than the war themselves.

00:12:24.000 They were saying like, you know, a million people killed by war,

00:12:27.000 but another 3.5 million people killed by the effects of war.

00:12:31.000 So you're talking malnutrition, displacement, people becoming refugees,

00:12:35.000 all these things that when it comes down to, oh, this many Russians or this many Ukrainians have died.

00:12:39.000 It's not about that.

00:12:40.000 It's about what's the long-term effects of these wars happening.

00:12:43.000 There's an ongoing migrant crisis, as it's described, in Europe where people feel like migration is beyond the

00:12:53.000 capacity of already entrenched domestic populations,

00:12:59.000 that people can't take no more migrations.

00:13:01.000 Like, obviously a complex issue that goes to the heart of many cultural war issues

00:13:06.000 and indeed the idea of compassion in politics.

00:13:11.000 This issue is not separate from these profitable illegitimate wars brought about again by the same establishment that now continues to condemn ordinary working people for their bigotry or their vaccine hesitancy or a whole host of ways of doing what the establishment has always done, speaking of ordinary people in condescending and condemnatory terms and tones.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, when you look at how these things evolve over time, it's pretty plain that they are willing to use whatever method is necessary to legitimize whatever actions they want to take.

00:13:47.000 And when it comes to dealing with the consequences, they find ways of kind of, what do I want to say, gerrymandering and manipulating those consequences away from them.

00:13:57.000 And what, like, links these two things, military-industrial complex?

00:14:00.000 The federal government has spent eight trillion dollars on these wars, and we know that half of that, or at least, you know, half of that goes to military-industrial complex.

00:14:08.000 So it's, uh, it's, you know, appalling.

00:14:10.000 The deeper issue here, and one that we've been talking about, is does deep state power In collaboration with globalist interests, bypass the power of ordinary democracy.

00:14:23.000 And increasingly it's becoming clear that the answer to that is yes.

00:14:26.000 Let me know in the chat now if you saw our conversation with RFK.

00:14:31.000 Join us on Locals.

00:14:32.000 There's a red button on your screen.

00:14:33.000 You can join us pretty easily.

00:14:34.000 We're talking to Annie Mashon later in the show, a former member of MI5.

00:14:38.000 He's going to help us to unpack The CIA and FBI and just how corrupt they are.

00:14:43.000 We're going to look at the worst things the CIA has allegedly done.

00:14:47.000 In some cases you have to say allegedly because it's really lairy stuff.

00:14:50.000 And the worst things that the FBI have done and continue to do.

00:14:54.000 Look right up to the current news story about Russiagate and their collaboration with the Democratic Party and the mainstream media in creating lies around Donald Trump.

00:15:01.000 even if you hate Donald Trump, it would be better wouldn't it if there wasn't this just

00:15:05.000 ongoing conveyor belt of stories where the establishment has lied and manipulated and

00:15:11.000 used the judiciary and the electoral system and the deep state in order like if Donald Trump is

00:15:16.000 so bad then let's just let Donald Trump's badness deal with itself rather than this ongoing campaign

00:15:23.000 of deception and malevolence. Let me know in the chat where you stand on that issue. Okay time now

00:15:29.000 Now for a new item where I analyse events in the news.

00:15:33.000 I don't know what it's going to be called, and I don't know what it's going to look like, but a graphic has been created.

00:15:37.000 Let's have a look.

00:15:38.000 It's confusing because I suppose like, again it's the number of elements.

00:15:53.000 One day I'm going to interview Jack about his influences.

00:15:55.000 It's going to be a long conversation.

00:15:55.000 Right.

00:15:57.000 I normally stick up for him, but I think we've reached the point.

00:16:00.000 I think the main influences are going to be drugs.

00:16:02.000 I think he'll be having that conversation about his influence with a cat dressed up as a little boy sat on his lap with chemicals leaking from every orifice.

00:16:12.000 And now we're going to analyse succession.

00:16:14.000 Everyone's talking about succession.

00:16:15.000 Some people saying it's a modern day Shakespeare because it deals with ideas like legacy.

00:16:20.000 Power rivalry within a family.

00:16:24.000 What happens in the power vacuum left after the death of a tyrant, but instead of it being set in like Jacoby in England is, of course, set in contemporary America with the Roy family.

00:16:37.000 A very obvious standing for the Murdoch family, ATN being Fox News, and characters like Mencken being sort of de facto Trumps, like Donald Trump.

00:16:48.000 So let's have a look at, this is a preview for episode eight, so we can sort of get into some of the things we've discussed.

00:16:56.000 Oh, there will be spoilers in this, if you're like a person that's trying to avoid spoilers.

00:17:00.000 We're gonna spoil it.

00:17:01.000 Have a look.

00:17:04.000 Information.

00:17:05.000 It's like a bottle of fine wine. 0.82

00:17:07.000 You save it for a special occasion, and then you smash someone's face in with it.

00:17:14.000 Once heard from someone that Rupert Murdoch actually does only care about information.

00:17:17.000 If you talk to Rupert Murdoch, he don't want to hear anything.

00:17:21.000 He just like, what's going on?

00:17:23.000 Right, right, right.

00:17:25.000 If you start going, do you know, actually, Rupert, it reminds me like, no, listen, that's what's in the opinion, what you've gone into there.

00:17:32.000 He just wants information.

00:17:32.000 And I once also heard that he's like Mephistopheles, that he sort of acts like he's never going to die.

00:17:37.000 And like he just like even if he doesn't get what he wants he knows that in time it will come.

00:17:42.000 So that little line about information and weaponizing information from Tom Wham-Gam.

00:17:47.000 Tom Wham-Gam?

00:17:48.000 Is that your name?

00:17:49.000 That's good.

00:17:50.000 Everyone, do you know, everyone's watching Succession.

00:17:52.000 Everyone you know watches Succession, don't they?

00:17:54.000 So probably we know a lot of people that work in media, probably we know a lot of people that live in cities, but one of the things I want to bring to the forefront is it is accepting the framing of contemporary political debate, i.e.

00:17:54.000 Yeah, everyone loves it.

00:18:06.000 the Republican Party and perhaps the party that's been taken hostage by this character

00:18:11.000 Mencken, who's not a character they spend a lot of real estate on in this season, but

00:18:15.000 the previous seasons they set him up as a demagogic figure.

00:18:18.000 He's obviously a stand-in for Trump.

00:18:21.000 And the Democrat Party, I don't think it focuses enough, for my tastes, on what I would call

00:18:26.000 ubiquitous corruption between both parties.

00:18:28.000 It gives you the idea that were the Democrats to win this election, because this particular

00:18:34.000 episode is set on election night, were the Democrats to win, everything would be peachy

00:18:38.000 creamy.

00:18:39.000 But when you look at stuff like Russiagate, when you look at military industrial complex,

00:18:43.000 when you look at Joe Biden saying nothing will change, when you look at the pledges

00:18:47.000 that were made in, you know, when you look at the ongoing wars, the way that wars are

00:18:51.000 funded, that kind of framing doesn't make, like the whole framing that, the whole framing

00:18:56.000 that was prevailed around the Trump presidency, for me is like the framing at the beginning

00:19:02.000 of COVID no longer relevant.

00:19:04.000 You can't use those arguments anymore.

00:19:07.000 You can't say... Look, and remember, I'm not saying that Trump is any... You know, I've got no strong view on Trump.

00:19:12.000 I'm not a pro-Trump person.

00:19:13.000 I know loads of you lot love him.

00:19:15.000 But you can't continue saying, like, we have to make sure Trump doesn't get in.

00:19:18.000 We have to make sure that Biden gets in.

00:19:20.000 It's like as if there are clear lines between good and evil, because it's plain that the system itself, the deep state, globalist corporate interests, are able to prevail regardless of who's in power.

00:19:31.000 It's interesting, a story we didn't get to before, but it was about weapon sales and Biden selling weapons to the majority of the world's autocracies.

00:19:39.000 It's his weapon sales have gone up under Biden than Trump.

00:19:43.000 So when Biden came in he was like, you talked about a battle between democracies and autocracies.

00:19:49.000 That was the rhetoric.

00:19:50.000 But actually weapon sales to those autocracies has gone up.

00:19:53.000 Thank God!

00:19:54.000 Thank God Biden beat Trump!

00:19:56.000 Now we can sell more weapons!

00:20:00.000 Phew, we got that deal!

00:20:01.000 We've got so much better now.

00:20:03.000 It's like, again, there is that headline.

00:20:05.000 The show kind of accepts the framing of what I would call the neoliberal establishment, which fetishises what it believes to be the small differences between itself and the sort of libertarian right, and celebrates and revels in those differences.

00:20:20.000 Oh look, we're better than you in this area, but what about these selling weapons to the majority of the world's autocracies?

00:20:27.000 Right, we don't sell weapons to all of the world's autocracies.

00:20:30.000 Is it the majority?

00:20:31.000 Yes, it's the majority of the world's autocracies.

00:20:33.000 interesting because there was that moment one day, it felt like in terms of our world

00:20:37.000 and the way that we see it and as you say kind of what the Democrat Party get up to

00:20:41.000 as well as the Republicans, that the more authentic view was Romans in the room when

00:20:45.000 he was like, it doesn't matter who gets into power, that felt like the more genuine version

00:20:50.000 and also the more in terms of in keeping with this is a media organisation that exists to

00:20:55.000 make money, that felt like I could imagine that but maybe Rupert Murdoch isn't like that.

00:21:00.000 I've no idea.

00:21:01.000 Maybe he is, in terms of like the comparisons between Brian Cox's character and Rupert Murdoch.

00:21:06.000 Stuff around Tucker at the moment that we're kind of understanding is that maybe Rupert Murdoch does have a worldview.

00:21:13.000 I don't know.

00:21:14.000 I feel like that I like Roman Roy, the younger son's perspective.

00:21:21.000 I feel like he's a nihilistic individual.

00:21:24.000 I don't care.

00:21:24.000 It's a TV show.

00:21:25.000 It's a TV show.

00:21:26.000 There is There is no meaning.

00:21:30.000 The character of Kendall, conflicted, idealist, trying to fill his father's shoes ineffectually.

00:21:37.000 Shiv, trying to become a different expression of power, but in my view, ultimately as corrupt. 0.95

00:21:46.000 It's definitely a really brilliant television programme.

00:21:48.000 Brilliant.

00:21:49.000 Because you can talk about it even in these terms.

00:21:52.000 But what I do query is the presumption that there's a meaningful difference between the two parties.

00:22:01.000 There were the moments, again spoilers, but in last night's show, or this week's show, where they were talking about if Megan gets in and how awful things would be.

00:22:12.000 And that was the first time I thought, this feels a bit reductive.

00:22:15.000 And I've never said that about Succession ever.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, because it is ultimately, I suppose, let us know in the chat and the comments if you agree, a satire on Fox, Trump, and the relationship between the media and power.

00:22:30.000 And it's beautifully satirised, and perhaps it's unfair to offer this kind of criticism, because perhaps you have to have certain lines between good and evil.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, for the purposes of drama.

00:22:38.000 For drama.

00:22:40.000 If you were to go like, hold on a minute, both of these parties are corrupt, then there would be no dramatic tension in that episode.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:22:46.000 The most important election in our lifetime.

00:22:49.000 I feel sick.

00:22:50.000 Oh, why?

00:22:50.000 It's fun.

00:22:51.000 It's only spicy because if my team wins, they're going to shoot your team.

00:22:56.000 Give me some sugar, man.

00:22:57.000 Maybe everyone voted for me.

00:22:59.000 We don't know.

00:22:59.000 Schrodinger's cat.

00:23:00.000 Schrodinger's cat.

00:23:02.000 Tom, this is crazy.

00:23:05.000 We all want to stop Madsen, right?

00:23:08.000 Every vote must be counted.

00:23:10.000 This is about the future of the country.

00:23:11.000 False flag.

00:23:12.000 The character of Con, he's like, sort of good value.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:17.000 With his sort of narcissistic pursuit of power that he doesn't actually really care about at all.

00:23:22.000 He was really easily persuaded that he'd like to... The woman goes, would you like to be ambassador?

00:23:27.000 He was offered a role of ambassador in order to step down in the previous episode.

00:23:31.000 They go, would you like a man or something?

00:23:33.000 Seems a bit calm.

00:23:36.000 Are we going to be in a compound?

00:23:37.000 Is it above ground?

00:23:39.000 It's one of those things that feels true.

00:23:42.000 It's a bit like the crown, in a way.

00:23:45.000 Even in areas where you feel, and the Royal Family strongly protest, that it is inaccurate.

00:23:51.000 and we recognize that drama is about distillation and concentration and indeed exaggeration and amplification.

00:23:57.000 That's the point of theatre, to distill and present symbols and narratives that through clarity are able to sort of

00:24:03.000 stimulate a kind of recognition of broader and deeper themes.

00:24:08.000 If it was like, you know, things that are ultra true are sort of boring and have to include long passages of meaninglessness.

00:24:15.000 There's moments with him where you think, surely a wannabe president or politician wouldn't behave like that.

00:24:22.000 But career politicians, we know it!

00:24:25.000 What is lobbying?

00:24:26.000 What is these politicians?

00:24:28.000 You take millions and millions from Big Pharma, for example.

00:24:31.000 If you were like an honest politician who wanted to do their job and represent people,

00:24:36.000 you wouldn't take millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry.

00:24:39.000 You just wouldn't.

00:24:40.000 You'd be like, you're principals.

00:24:41.000 So when you see a representation of politics in that form, it's not...

00:24:46.000 I mean, he plays it quite comedically in a way, but it's not actually that funny in reality.

00:24:52.000 I like the character of Mattson.

00:24:54.000 I think he is a brilliant hybrid of Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, and sort of captures the geek glamour of these powerful new barons and magnates.

00:25:04.000 And I suppose, based on what I observe to be the relationship between this show and the reality that it's satirising, I would have to guess that Mattson will come out on top, because It seems that one of the tensions we're experiencing, particularly according to the analysis of the influential Martin Goury's book The Revolt of the Public Informs, many of the opinions shared certainly by me on this show, is that what we're witnessing is the end of old elites and the emergence of new elites.

00:25:35.000 The inability of establishment power to recognize that the game that they've been playing has now changed.

00:25:41.000 They don't understand the lexicon nomenclature Or dynamics of emergent technology and its ability to influence power.

00:25:50.000 And indeed the broader themes that we talk about continually on this show of centralised authority and the rise of authoritarianism apparently on the left through censorship, legitimisation of surveillance, lockdowns and the way that they were perhaps stuck to beyond their... Allegedly!

00:26:07.000 Facility, the immoralization and imposition of certain medicines, the exaggeration... Allegedly!

00:26:15.000 ...of their positive impact all point to ways to legitimize authority.

00:26:20.000 We're only, like, all authoritarianism says that it's doing the right thing, though.

00:26:24.000 You know, whether that's the monstrous dictators of the 20th century, they were not like, And now, a genocide!

00:26:32.000 It's just like, we've got to do this stuff because X, Y, Z, mythology, this, Wagner, that, trains run on time, the other.

00:26:41.000 And of course I'm not making comparisons.

00:26:44.000 I'm just saying that authoritarianism doesn't overtly tell you that it's wrong.

00:26:50.000 You have to believe in the legitimacy of your own power.

00:26:53.000 And so I feel like based on that, that this is my guess of what will happen.

00:26:57.000 Shiv will win, I feel that that will be, just because she's on a down note at the moment, there has to be an ascent, possibly, and will become reconciled with Tom, and that Mattson will be empowered and the deal will go through, so that we get the idea that, oh no, even though this old power dynamic of these corrupt Murdoch-like individuals has been broken down, it's been replaced by a similarly corrupt... Who's the real successor?

00:27:27.000 Succession is a new... Not necessarily the family.

00:27:27.000 Yeah, right.

00:27:31.000 It's the new power.

00:27:32.000 Because from a TV perspective, I've often wanted it to be Greg.

00:27:36.000 A hapless sort of goonish guy. 0.97

00:27:39.000 The moment at the start of that episode where Tom was like talking about how nervous he was and what awful days got planned and then Greg just goes, I'm having quite a nice day.

00:27:50.000 Oh, brilliant.

00:27:51.000 Yeah, he's so sweet.

00:27:52.000 He's really sweet.

00:27:53.000 That's where, like, Succession, for me, like, how, you know, we're talking about, like, the one moment of maybe it being a touch reductive for drama's sake, but the way in which this stuff with Mattson and Gojo and this kind of commentary about big tech maybe taking over, and, like, the way in which they talk about Brian Cox's character being able to affect elections, the ability for big tech to now do that,

00:28:16.000 I mean literally there was an article this week about how big tech are now richer and

00:28:20.000 more powerful than most countries and it's amazing the way in which that's going and the way

00:28:26.000 in which succession kind of deals with that.

00:28:29.000 It's really impressive.

00:28:30.000 In a way, because we have accepted taxonomies of power that relate to previous dynamics, like a nation is a powerful thing, or even corporations are powerful things, we are unable to even mentally envisage what new power actually looks like.

00:28:49.000 I also like the bit where Greg goes, I drank things that maybe aren't drinks.

00:28:53.000 I drank things that aren't drinks.

00:28:55.000 I was dancing with an old man.

00:28:57.000 It's particularly good, I think, because of Jesse Armstrong's DNA.

00:29:01.000 It provided brilliantly nuanced and comedic dialogue, which separates it from shows that are of a comparable aesthetic.

00:29:10.000 But perhaps take themselves more seriously.

00:29:13.000 Yeah.

00:29:13.000 For me, the comedy is something that I really enjoy.

00:29:14.000 Because he talks about, even goes further with the old man, doesn't he?

00:29:17.000 The old man, he says like he was nervous or something.

00:29:19.000 He was uncomfortable.

00:29:20.000 He didn't need that detail.

00:29:22.000 He's a really good actor, that bloke.

00:29:23.000 They're all brilliant, aren't they?

00:29:24.000 Amazing.

00:29:25.000 Yeah, so sort of a fantastic show.

00:29:27.000 But let us know what you think in the chat and the comments about that show.

00:29:30.000 Is it an accurate appraisal of the way that power operates?

00:29:33.000 If you are a person that really believes, for example, in the Republican Party and love Donald Trump, do you sort of feel like, Good!

00:29:39.000 Menkins won!

00:29:41.000 How does it play out that way, in accordance with your own beliefs and faith? 1.00

00:29:41.000 F*** you! 1.00

00:29:48.000 I want to talk to you about some stuff that's pretty serious, as a matter of fact, that I definitely would not be able to talk about on YouTube. 0.99

00:29:54.000 When we spoke to RFK the other day, he made some claims about Anthony Fauci and gain-of-function research, and in particular, Well, you cut me off at the point where what I'm saying gets too risky, right?

00:30:07.000 RFK said that Anthony Fauci was doing gain-of-function research in this country.

00:30:11.000 It got shut down by the Obama administration, should be safe so far.

00:30:14.000 It got re-initiated by the Trump administration, should still be okay.

00:30:19.000 Then he repoed it, because he's like, we can't do this in America.

00:30:23.000 to a certain town in China that you may have heard of that sounds a bit like a hip-hop collective whose name ends in clan.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, let's have a look now at RFK.

00:30:36.000 If you watch this on YouTube, there's a link in the description to take you over to Rumble.

00:30:39.000 Have a look at this.

00:30:40.000 Then in 2014, three of the bugs escaped from labs in the United States, and everybody finds out about it.

00:30:47.000 Congress has hearings, 300 scientists write letters to Obama, Sign a letter to Obama saying you've got to shut down Tony Fauci, he's going to create an epidemic.

00:30:59.000 Obama shuts down all of Fauci's projects, orders them closed, has a moratorium, but Fauci doesn't shut them down.

00:31:06.000 He continues doing them, and then he starts shipping everything over to Wuhan, where he can do it offshore, out of sight of these federal overseers and all the nosy scientists like Richard Ebright and the others from the Cambridge Working Group who were horrified by what he was doing.

00:31:24.000 And that's kind of why the short story of why, you know, we're doing all this stuff in Wuhan rather than doing it at University of North Carolina in Galveston, which is where they were doing it before.

00:31:35.000 Okay, so if that's your introduction to RFK, you won't be familiar to the fact that the guy is a sort of truth bomb, or at least extraordinary fact bomb, or indeed information... I don't know how to say it.

00:31:47.000 I don't know if you believe RFK or not.

00:31:50.000 Certainly he says a lot of extraordinary stuff.

00:31:52.000 I personally really liked him.

00:31:53.000 Let's break some of this stuff down.

00:31:55.000 So here's the story from 2014. White House to cut funding for risky biological study prompted by controversy over

00:32:00.000 dangerous research and recent lab accidents.

00:32:03.000 The White House announced Friday it would temporarily halt all new funding for experiments to seek to study certain

00:32:07.000 infectious agents by making them more dangerous, aka gain of function.

00:32:12.000 Let's have a look at the next piece of information.

00:32:14.000 Feds lift gain of function research.

00:32:16.000 The National Institute of Health today lifted a three-year moratorium on funding gain of function research on potential pandemic viruses such as avian flu, SARS and MERS, opening the door for certain types of research to resume.

00:32:27.000 That's from the end of 2017.

00:32:29.000 Let's have a look at what's next.

00:32:31.000 Fauci reportedly relaunched NIH gain of function research without consulting the White House.

00:32:36.000 Now, That's something that's been discussed and they're using the word reportedly, which is print journalism... Allegedly!

00:32:42.000 ...version of allegedly.

00:32:44.000 But certainly, RFK says in his famous best-selling book, The Real Anthony Fauci, that many claims made in extraordinarily small print across a number of pages are all undergirded by cast-iron information.

00:32:57.000 What do you think, Gareth, about Fauci reportedly relaunching NIH gain-of-function research without concerning the White House?

00:33:03.000 Is that something we have any more information on?

00:33:04.000 Well look, I mean, somebody did, didn't they?

00:33:06.000 I mean, whether it was Fauci or not, I mean, it happened.

00:33:08.000 Oh yeah, they were doing it!

00:33:10.000 They were doing it.

00:33:11.000 I think the issue here is that this risky gain-of-function research was going on, and continues to go on.

00:33:18.000 I think, you know, it's controversial for a reason, and we know what it's At the very beginning of the virus, the idea that it in any way would like... There were two sort of major things going on.

00:33:28.000 Oh, there's just... Remember these sort of innocent days before we all had to occupy these mad little online enclaves of exchanging true information that may nevertheless be censored?

00:33:38.000 There was a bit at the beginning where I came to it with my...

00:33:40.000 Indigenous mistrust of authority.

00:33:43.000 This is weird but I did take it in good faith.

00:33:47.000 There's this virus that's coming out of this place called Wuhan in China.

00:33:51.000 That was one thing I was aware of before it sort of crept into the popular imagination.

00:33:55.000 There were spikes of terror before there were spikes of protein.

00:33:58.000 And now one of the other things I was aware of was Anthony Fauci.

00:34:02.000 This guy is in charge of the NIH.

00:34:03.000 Oh and like people that were anti-Trump liked him because he would like Roll his eyes behind drummers.

00:34:08.000 And I can remember people I really respect going, you know, this Anthony Fauci, this is what shows you what it is to be someone who's dedicated themselves to medicine and science for their whole career, and then come of the hour, come of the man, this guy is, like, nailing it.

00:34:19.000 And then to find out a bit later, oh, they are, through DARPA, there are connections to the Wuhan laboratories and Anthony Fauci that potentially royalties have been received.

00:34:29.000 By Anthony Fauci through the CDC, as a result of pharmacological experimentation.

00:34:35.000 Like, the amount of information that has accrued subsequently means that... I mean, I wonder, do you know anyone that has still got a 2019 perspective on the pandemic?

00:34:46.000 By that I mean, You better take those vaccines because you'll be immune and you won't spread it.

00:34:51.000 You're irresponsible and you're killing others if you don't take it.

00:34:55.000 You should be locked down all the time. 0.99

00:34:56.000 You should be wearing a mask.

00:34:59.000 If you're vaccine hesitant, that's irresponsible.

00:35:03.000 You know, it came out of a wet market in... I mean, this is kind of what this... what RFK is talking about is the origins, isn't it?

00:35:11.000 It's like, where did this come from?

00:35:12.000 I don't think there's anyone How many people still believe that it came out of a wet market?

00:35:17.000 I think almost even the mainstream, I think now, are talking about the fact that it's unlikely.

00:35:21.000 You know, there's so many big organisations have come out and said this was a lab leak.

00:35:26.000 They must be fuming down that wet market!

00:35:29.000 We've run a pretty tight ship down this wet market.

00:35:32.000 Yeah, the floor's covered in slobber and sputum and gack and gunge.

00:35:37.000 But other than that, there are delicious snacks available for all, and at a price that's right.

00:35:41.000 This wet market's taken a real hit.

00:35:44.000 Not since McDonald's started employing little boys and girls has a food establishment been so unfairly derided.

00:35:50.000 And we'll be going into this story with a little more depth later.

00:35:54.000 Well, next week, I guess, we'll be covering this way we go.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, sure.

00:35:57.000 Let me see if I've understood this correctly.

00:36:01.000 That people that were not showing symptoms were not infectious and that there was a tool available to diagnose that that was suppressed for reasons we don't know.

00:36:14.000 We don't know if suppressed but ignored by the CDC.

00:36:16.000 A special test was developed and the researchers at Stanford, I think this was, found that 96% of people who were PCR positive but without symptoms We're not infectious.

00:36:28.000 That's basically nearly 100%.

00:36:29.000 That's what 96 means.

00:36:32.000 Remember, one of the common myths was, the thing about this, what makes it so bad and so easy to lock down a population that are increasingly difficult to control is, even if you're not showing symptoms, you could still kill your nan.

00:36:44.000 So get indoors, you Count Nan Killer. 0.58

00:36:47.000 Right, well that weren't true, and it could have been proven at the time.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, exactly what this article suggests, or what it says, is it undergirded policies on, as you say, distancing, quarantines, masks, all of those kind of things.

00:37:00.000 This thing in particular.

00:37:02.000 And now it's kind of been proven that that wasn't the case, but not only do we now know that it wasn't the case, but that there was a test to demonstrate this at the time.

00:37:13.000 This is just a story that Gareth and I are cooking up right now.

00:37:16.000 Gareth and I were just discussing that before we went on air.

00:37:18.000 It's not cooking it up, it's making it up.

00:37:20.000 It's true.

00:37:20.000 We're just simply discussing it now and we'll be going into more depth at some point.

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00:37:58.000 That's why it's so important that you watch Here's the News.

00:38:02.000 No.

00:38:03.000 Here's the effing news. 1.00

00:38:05.000 Here's the fucking news! 1.00

00:38:05.000 No. 1.00

00:38:10.000 Birth rates are declining, and in less than a hundred years, countries like Spain and Japan could have half as many people as they have now.

00:38:16.000 How can that be a right-wing or left-wing talking point?

00:38:19.000 What's going on, Elon?

00:38:23.000 Apparently the fall in birth rates is a very real thing.

00:38:26.000 There's a new documentary about it which looks into it at depth, which tries to be just a cold scientific analysis.

00:38:32.000 But you can't have cold scientific analysis now.

00:38:34.000 Everything is hotly politicized.

00:38:36.000 But let's have a look at this birth rate issue and the impact it's going to have on your planet.

00:38:41.000 And our cities are going to be choked with people.

00:38:43.000 And they will be impossible places in which to live, and the explosions will be even worse.

00:38:47.000 Most people think we have, like, too many people on the planet, but actually this is an outdated view.

00:38:56.000 Coming from the world of data science, I felt I understood populations are going up, and that that's a problem.

00:39:02.000 When I saw what was actually happening, I couldn't sleep.

00:39:06.000 I think that the biggest problem the world will face in 20 years is population collapse.

00:39:12.000 Collapse.

00:39:12.000 I agree.

00:39:13.000 How could it be that suddenly countries are having so few children?

00:39:18.000 I needed to go and find out.

00:39:19.000 There are obviously chemical factors and social factors.

00:39:23.000 We know that male fertility is decreasing, female fertility is decreasing.

00:39:27.000 We are aware that the way that a culture measures significance and value has shifted, that there is a kind of prizing of working, of females working as being significant and important, and that that has become a cherished value.

00:39:40.000 And attacking that and saying women oughtn't work is seen as an attack on female power and potency. 1.00

00:39:45.000 And I wonder what role nature has at all at this point.

00:39:49.000 On one side of the argument you have this enshrinement of ecology through the climate change movement, elsewhere the nature of human beings.

00:39:55.000 as animals or as spirits or as creatures of this planet has become detached somehow.

00:40:00.000 We shouldn't just because we're born this or born that have to live within that framework.

00:40:04.000 And I'm certainly not offering an opinion on a subject that's become one of the most

00:40:07.000 defining and contentious ones of our age. I believe in people's individual freedom.

00:40:10.000 I also believe in nature. Certainly we appear to believe in nature in other areas of the

00:40:15.000 conversation. And I suppose what we're talking about here is primarily a demographic shift.

00:40:19.000 We have an aging population that don't have a workforce to look after them and don't have 0.55

00:40:23.000 children to replace them.

00:40:24.000 So, ultimately, you're talking about economics and the distribution of resources.

00:40:28.000 Of course, the solutions that will be offered, I suppose, will ultimately be technological.

00:40:31.000 The fact is that we should be addressing, at some point, what is the quantitative value of ongoing life?

00:40:37.000 Why do you want people to stay alive forever and ever?

00:40:40.000 Now, of course, if it's someone that I love, like my own mother or father, of course, I want them to live as long as possible, as I'm sure you do with If your relatives let me know in the comments and the chat.

00:40:49.000 But essentially, the value of life is experiential.

00:40:52.000 What is the experience of your life like?

00:40:54.000 How do you feel?

00:40:55.000 Is it meaningful?

00:40:56.000 Are you connected to yourself, to other people, to purpose?

00:41:00.000 Are you happy?

00:41:00.000 Is essentially what I'm asking you.

00:41:02.000 It feels now that what our lives have become is so desacralized and secularized that we live lives of the fulfillment of tasks.

00:41:11.000 I'm not sure how these tasks have been set.

00:41:13.000 Well, I am sure they're cultural and economic tasks that don't In my opinion, connect deeply to essence, meaning, purpose or even nature.

00:41:20.000 What people usually don't think about is what you do in a world where the playgrounds are empty and the nursing homes are all full.

00:41:30.000 I keep oscillating between the idea of having my own children or adopting.

00:41:35.000 Ready to adopt in this particular moment, like right, right now, now, now?

00:41:39.000 Probably not.

00:41:40.000 If I would have kids now, I will have to change all my life.

00:41:46.000 From a cultural perspective, the value of children and the family can, of course, be critiqued and analysed.

00:41:52.000 Some people will say that the nuclear family is a cultural construct, that tribal living is more native to our kind, to our species, where there are numerous relatives of multiple generations looking after the young and participating in child rearing.

00:42:08.000 But when it comes to procreation, it's so deeply embedded in our coding.

00:42:14.000 Even if you want to look at this in a solely material, rational, and let's say, from a biological perspective, procreation is pretty significant, I would say. 0.65

00:42:23.000 The same as eating, defecating, procreating, fornicating.

00:42:28.000 Things that seem to take place on the level of the animal body, that are not to do with the individual actually, are beyond the individual identity.

00:42:36.000 I feel like our culture has become so politicised that we're unable, as a group, to have a shared analytic of what being human is that is separate from our kind of oppositional left-v-right, progress-v-tradition type politics.

00:42:51.000 My personal position is you, as an individual, are worthy of respect.

00:42:55.000 And you, as an individual, should be free to live your life however you want to.

00:42:59.000 And I think to increasingly politicize those areas of the conversation makes it difficult to have a shared cultural agreement around what human beings are.

00:43:08.000 Call this a birth gap, Matt.

00:43:10.000 I haven't seen anybody do this before.

00:43:13.000 How's Peter saying?

00:43:15.000 Wow.

00:43:15.000 Gosh.

00:43:16.000 It's kind of scary.

00:43:17.000 I'm pessimistic because I don't think people realize what's going to happen.

00:43:23.000 I don't know how and when it's going to stop.

00:43:27.000 I want to emphasize this.

00:43:28.000 The biggest issue in 20 years will be population collapse.

00:43:33.000 Here's some information that pieces together the salient points from that documentary so we can understand the argument succinctly for ourselves.

00:43:41.000 The world is ill-prepared for the global crash in children being born, which is set to have a jaw-dropping impact on society, say researchers.

00:43:47.000 Falling fertility rates mean nearly every country could have shrinking populations by the end of the century.

00:43:52.000 And 23 nations, including Spain and Japan, are expected to see their populations halved by 2100.

00:43:57.000 Countries will also age dramatically, with as many people turning 80 as there are being born.

00:44:02.000 So certainly it appears that there are demographic shifts and changes on, well not even on the horizon, happening now.

00:44:08.000 The fertility rate, the average number of children a woman gives birth to, is falling.

00:44:12.000 If the number falls below approximately 2.1, then the size of the population starts to form.

00:44:17.000 In 1950, women were having an average of 4.7 children in their lifetime.

00:44:21.000 Researchers at the University of Washington Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation showed the global fertility rate nearly halved to 2.4 in 2017, and their study published in The Lancet projects it will fall below 1.7 by 2100.

00:44:31.000 Now, you can see why Women would say, hang on a minute. 1.00

00:44:38.000 What you're suggesting is that a woman's primary function is to bear and rear children. 0.99

00:44:43.000 Why is it this area in particular where the project of civilization has to be arrested?

00:44:49.000 We've been having to create agriculture, the industrial revolution, the technological revolution, machines to do all of our jobs, animal husbandry.

00:44:57.000 But in the area of the function of a woman, you want to stick to what's on the label, as it were. 1.00

00:45:02.000 And I can see why, you know, a woman or women or particular groups within the gender of women would have issue with that.

00:45:11.000 Because what civilization does is meddles with the flow of nature.

00:45:14.000 As soon as we have medicine, as soon as we control animals, as soon as we control crops, we're starting to say, oh, we're not living entirely in harmony with nature.

00:45:20.000 So why are you saying in this area we have to be in harmony with nature?

00:45:24.000 And I suppose the argument that documentary is making is because the species is under threat.

00:45:27.000 I suppose the kind of technological arguments will come will be artificial insemination, growing children in pods, we've already done a thing about that, haven't we, elsewhere, and further divorcing ourselves from nature.

00:45:38.000 But perhaps the human project has been, particularly since civilization, one of creating distance from ourselves and the teleology that's taken us further away from the conditions of our origin.

00:45:48.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments what you think about that.

00:45:50.000 As a result, the researchers expect the number of people on the planet to peak at 9.7 billion around 2064 before falling down to 8.8 billion by the end of the century.

00:45:59.000 That's a pretty big thing.

00:46:00.000 Most of the world is transitioning into natural population decline, researcher Professor Christopher Murray told the BBC.

00:46:07.000 I think it's incredibly hard to think this through and recognise how big a thing it is.

00:46:10.000 It's extraordinary we'll have to reorganise societies.

00:46:13.000 It's nothing to do with sperm counts or the usual things that come to mind when discussing fertility.

00:46:17.000 Instead, it is being driven by more women in education and work, as well as greater access to contraception, leading to women choosing to have fewer children. 0.92

00:46:25.000 If it indeed is the result of the choice of individuals and how that plays out across a society, then, well, what do you do?

00:46:32.000 Suggest to women that they can't do that? 0.85

00:46:35.000 I mean, what do you do?

00:46:36.000 I guess you make different arguments about the culture.

00:46:38.000 I reckon that the dream that your personal fulfillment is achieved through career is tangential to a bigger idea.

00:46:45.000 You should be free.

00:46:46.000 You should be free to be whoever you want to be.

00:46:48.000 And I don't know that anymore if my working life is what gives me freedom.

00:46:52.000 A lot of the time I think you're imprisoned by this model.

00:46:56.000 And how do you feel about your working life?

00:46:58.000 Unless you have something vocational that gives you purpose, whatever your gender, I'm not sure that work is what gives you your purpose anymore. 0.99

00:47:04.000 Unless, you know, you're working in a hospice, or you're helping people get well, or you're teaching children.

00:47:09.000 All of which align with the kind of roles we would have in a pre-civilised society, I would argue.

00:47:15.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:47:15.000 Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.

00:47:23.000 Mad, isn't it?

00:47:24.000 Because it declines quick, because people just, once they die, that's it.

00:47:27.000 It starts to radically decline.

00:47:29.000 So I suppose you could change it quickly as well.

00:47:31.000 Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same time frame.

00:47:38.000 They are two of 23 countries, which also include Spain, Portugal, Thailand and South Korea, expected to see their population more than half.

00:47:45.000 That's jaw-dropping, Professor Christopher Murray said.

00:47:48.000 However, this will be a truly global issue, with 183 out of 195 countries having a fertility rate below the replacement level.

00:47:56.000 The study projects the number of under fives will fall from 681 million in 2017 to 401 million in 2100.

00:48:04.000 The number of eight-year-olds will soar from 141 million in 2017 to 866 million in 2100.

00:48:09.000 I know loads of you will like it because it's a direct contra-argument to the idea of population explosion, and there are too many people in the world.

00:48:17.000 Stuff that, say, you will have heard Bill Gates say, for example, so I think a lot of people will like that.

00:48:21.000 Ah, it's a rebuttal to many of those arguments.

00:48:23.000 Also it's saying, never mind climate change, what about this issue?

00:48:26.000 Which I know a lot of people will hate, and a lot of people will like.

00:48:29.000 But it's interesting to look at this simply as data, rather than a gender-led piece of information.

00:48:34.000 What it invites you to look at is the fact that we live on one planet, there's a finite number of people, we could organise society differently, both on a macro and micro level.

00:48:43.000 You know that usually what I talk about is decentralisation, so that we have individual freedom, community and collective freedom.

00:48:48.000 But it's interesting as well to look at what's happening Globally, because surely these numbers will be impactful.

00:48:54.000 Who pays tax in a massively aged world? 1.00

00:48:56.000 Who pays for health care for the elderly? 1.00

00:48:58.000 Who looks after the elderly? 1.00

00:48:59.000 Will people still be able to retire from work?

00:49:01.000 Wow, not in France, baby!

00:49:03.000 Professor Murray says, I find people laugh it off.

00:49:05.000 They can't imagine it could be true.

00:49:07.000 They think women will just decide to have more kids. 0.84

00:49:09.000 If you can't find a solution, then eventually the species disappears, but that's a few centuries away.

00:49:14.000 Professor Ibrahim Abubakar, University College London said, If these predictions are even half accurate, migration will become a necessity for all nations and not an option.

00:49:23.000 To be successful, we need a fundamental rethink of global politics.

00:49:27.000 The distribution of working age populations will be crucial to whether humanity prospers or withers. 0.99

00:49:32.000 I think it's a crisis that we better tackle now before it reaches a tipping point which may not be reversible, lead author Hagei Levine of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's Hadassah Braun School of Public Health told The Guardian.

00:49:43.000 Levine added that the findings serve as a canary in the coal mine.

00:49:46.000 We have a serious problem on our hands that, if not mitigated, could threaten humankind's survival.

00:49:51.000 But perhaps the argument that this is entirely about the progression of a female's role in a traditionally male-led society and improvement in birth control is a limiting one.

00:50:02.000 Perhaps increasing inequality, a culture where we loom between crises, is having an impact on people's goals and spiritual aspirations.

00:50:11.000 If you move from economic crash in 2008, having just had the 2001 attacks on the culture, endless war, pandemics, do people really want to have children?

00:50:21.000 Perhaps the deeper spiritual sense that we're living in a culture in decline and in despair does something to us as animals.

00:50:27.000 spirits that prevents us wanting to progress and procreate.

00:50:31.000 It doesn't feel safe here anymore does it? We don't trust authority, we don't trust any of

00:50:35.000 our institutions. What people need, whether they're a male parent or a female parent, is a 0.79

00:50:39.000 sense that they are safe and secure. And I know that I feel as a father and I feel that my wife feels

00:50:44.000 as a mother, this ain't a great place to be bringing children sometimes and we're in an all right

00:50:48.000 condition in an all right country with an all right income. This isn't just that women's roles 1.00

00:50:53.000 have changed culturally and there's better access to contraception though of course I'm sure that's a 0.85

00:50:57.000 factor.

00:50:57.000 There are perhaps deeper existential changes that people are massively like, I don't want to be here anymore, I don't want to have children.

00:51:03.000 And also the fetishisation and celebration of the individual, that your role is as I'm me, this is me, just do it man, be the best you you can be.

00:51:10.000 Means that people don't think of service and duty and family, and I'm not making that claim against any particular gender or sex, I'm saying Look at what our culture tells us is important.

00:51:21.000 So I would say that in addition with the factors observed within this document and that documentary, we should consider a decline in hope, a sense of spiritual despair, cultures that are falling apart more broadly, a crisis where we lurch from one crisis to another, are all factors in making people not feel like they're still nests and have a bunch of babies, because barely a day passes we're not contemplating the bloody apocalypse.

00:51:43.000 But that's just what I think.

00:51:44.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:51:45.000 I'll see you in a second.

00:51:46.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News.

00:51:48.000 The dude. 1.00

00:51:49.000 No, he's the fucking dude. 1.00

00:51:52.000 Well, there you go. 1.00

00:51:53.000 That was educational.

00:51:54.000 Now, we were talking a moment ago, weren't we, about Sylvanian families.

00:51:57.000 That was pretty interesting stuff.

00:51:59.000 Some of you don't know what Sylvanian families are.

00:52:01.000 Oh, is that the big thing to have come out of today?

00:52:03.000 Oh, what do you want me to say?

00:52:04.000 Oh, big tech's more powerful than countries.

00:52:07.000 Yes.

00:52:07.000 I know that.

00:52:08.000 Joe Biden's administration was selling weapons to the worst people in the world.

00:52:12.000 I know that.

00:52:14.000 No one's got any moral authority anymore.

00:52:16.000 Succession is a satire that's so biting and accurate that people go, I know that, I've always known it.

00:52:21.000 What I don't know is, Sylvanian families, only from Tony.

00:52:25.000 Let's have a look at those little... Oh! 0.96

00:52:28.000 Brilliant.

00:52:28.000 Here they are, this is what they're like.

00:52:29.000 If you're an American person, or a Canadian person, or a Tunisian person, if you're anything other than the Sylvanian, which I think means the countryside.

00:52:36.000 Right.

00:52:37.000 Yeah, I think it means something like that.

00:52:37.000 I never knew that.

00:52:39.000 Have a look at these little guys.

00:52:40.000 My kids have got some of them.

00:52:41.000 Let's see what they're all about.

00:52:42.000 Sylvanian families, only from Tony.

00:52:46.000 Sylvanian families They come from far and near

00:52:52.000 A brand new baby's here Sylvanian families

00:52:56.000 Sylvanian families just don't feel complete without a little baby 1.00

00:53:02.000 So they all have one With it's own cradle and baby bottle

00:53:06.000 shaming what sorry go on saying that I understand that the Sylvanian families don't feel...

00:53:12.000 Oh, you've got to have a baby. 1.00

00:53:13.000 Don't have to.

00:53:14.000 Oh dear.

00:53:15.000 But I know people that feel complete that don't have a baby.

00:53:17.000 Right, you're right.

00:53:18.000 Although we are studying the effects of declining populations and we'll be talking about that

00:53:22.000 next week, won't we, and how the world is changing.

00:53:26.000 Now, if you don't know enough about Sylvanian families now, you never will.

00:53:30.000 I give up the ghost.

00:53:31.000 I've tried everything to educate you people, and you've let me down again and again.

00:53:35.000 We are on the back of many of our complex conversations with figures that understand the deep state.

00:53:41.000 We are questioning the legitimacy of the CIA, the FBI, and who better to discuss that with than a former MI5 intelligence officer who blew the whistle on illegal phone taps around the illegal, unnecessary, and I would say a bit out of order, Assassination of Colonel Gaddafi.

00:53:58.000 We all remember seeing him in the back of that van.

00:53:59.000 It was bang out of order.

00:54:00.000 Bang out of order!

00:54:02.000 Now, Annie Mashon is going to be joining us.

00:54:05.000 Annie, are you okay?

00:54:06.000 I am.

00:54:07.000 And I love your jacket, rope, whatever you call it.

00:54:10.000 You're rocking it.

00:54:11.000 It's my wife's house coat, Annie, as a matter of fact.

00:54:14.000 And I don't know what journey I'm on now as I learn to dwell happily in middle age, but it appears to be some form of dressing up in my wife's clothes, which used to be quite a conventional way to get through this difficult time.

00:54:29.000 Annie, thanks for joining us.

00:54:30.000 There's loads of things we want to ask you about.

00:54:33.000 Let me just sketch out the parameters of this conversation.

00:54:37.000 With it finally being revealed that all of the Russiagate allegations were unfounded and untrue, and they were known to be untrue at the beginning, and yet the FBI pursued them.

00:54:45.000 With RFK saying that he would disband the CIA and that he believes that the CIA assassinated JFK, he's obviously not the first person.

00:54:53.000 To say that.

00:54:54.000 I'd like to ask you, as a former member of the intelligence community, albeit a goodie, much more James Bond than, I don't know, one of them ones that's killing people for the government.

00:55:05.000 Do you think that these institutions are fundamentally corrupt and if the goal was to radically revise our global infrastructure in order to create a fairer and better world, do you think you'd get rid of them or do you think that they're things that can be saved or things that are necessary?

00:55:19.000 What do you feel, Annie?

00:55:22.000 I think there is a balance.

00:55:23.000 There's always got to be a democratic balance, because we do need defences against other countries that are going to be using the same sort of aggressive tactics.

00:55:31.000 But if we want to call ourselves democracies, we need to make sure that they are under democratic control.

00:55:38.000 So there has to be a proportionality about the powers that they can exert, and there has to be a proportionality about what they can legally cover up.

00:55:47.000 Otherwise, we don't function in a democracy.

00:55:49.000 And so what you were talking about earlier in terms of the linkage between big tech and government is a very dangerous path to go down.

00:55:57.000 And this is something Edward Snowden disclosed many, many years ago, a decade ago.

00:56:01.000 Jesus.

00:56:02.000 Yeah, I know you love a whistleblower.

00:56:04.000 I know like you're always giving them awards and stuff like that.

00:56:07.000 Didn't you give Daniel Howe one?

00:56:08.000 Am I saying his name correctly?

00:56:10.000 I feel like you gave Daniel Howe an award pretty recently, but the Twitter files revealed that the FBI were, you know, a little too involved in censorship of information that was posted on that platform, censoring information of legitimate authorities, censoring information that's been proven to be true.

00:56:29.000 So it shows you that the deep state is a real thing, that the FBI, excuse me, and the CIA Can't really be regarded primarily as defensive organizations that are stopping us from yielding to the threat of North Korea or domestic radicals of some persuasion or Islamic terror all of the other reasons.

00:56:51.000 I mean look at Biden pushing through the very legislation that Snowden revealed, like, you know, like the stuff, the Patriot Act stuff that was there to spy on individuals in order to defend Americans from potential attacks, that that is up for review and they want to revive it under the auspices of the threat of American, excuse me, of Mexican drug cartels.

00:57:13.000 So, like, what is the essential function of these organisations?

00:57:18.000 Is it to defend the American people or is it to control the American people?

00:57:23.000 Well, the first question I would ask would be why are we only focusing on America?

00:57:27.000 I mean, is this the, you know, the apotheosis of democracy?

00:57:31.000 No.

00:57:31.000 It's been shown to be very corrupt.

00:57:34.000 And there is an issue around what is called the deep state.

00:57:38.000 Having said that, what do we mean by the deep state would be the key question, in my view.

00:57:43.000 So in terms of having law enforcement agencies there to try and protect basic rights of their citizens, that is a good thing.

00:57:52.000 In terms of their being corrupted or subverted or unknowingly being used to link into things like the military-industrial complex or the military-censorship complex or whatever, that is a bad thing.

00:58:06.000 So a lot of very good people go into these organisations trying to do good.

00:58:10.000 And often they can feel quite powerless in confronting the bureaucratic monolith that often these organisations become.

00:58:19.000 So this is one of the key things that Edward Snowden disclosed 10 years ago, I can't believe it was 10 years ago, when he started talking about, one, the PRISM programme, and then all sorts of other hideousness.

00:58:32.000 to show quite how embedded the tech and intelligence agencies have become across the Western world.

00:58:40.000 So there's a lot to unpick and unpack here.

00:58:43.000 in terms of the interrelations and the interleaving of the spies and the corporate and government intersections.

00:58:51.000 So where do we want to start?

00:58:53.000 If we want to go back to Edward Snowden, that means his very first disclosure in June 2013 was the PRISM programme, which showed that there were back doors built into all the big tech global giants coming out of the USA.

00:59:09.000 And whether or not they knew it was happening, or whether or not it was unwittingly done to them, means that it still left all of us vulnerable, so that the intelligence agencies could hoover up all our intelligence data, all our internet data.

00:59:24.000 So we're talking about metadata, we're talking about personal data, we're talking about access to hacking our computer systems.

00:59:30.000 And this is something I've written about, as you know, because you very kindly promoted my book, The Privacy Mission, which is shortlisted for a very nice award tonight.

00:59:40.000 But the key point is, whether or not they knew it was going on, or whether they agreed to it going on, it means that there is this collusion, this interleaving between The intelligence agencies and the global tech companies.

00:59:57.000 And then, of course, this also means that the vulnerabilities can therefore be exploited by the criminal hackers as well.

01:00:08.000 There's a few things.

01:00:09.000 One is, of course, we're not condemning individuals that join the CIA, the FBI, MI5, of course, an organization that you're a member of, any more than I would condemn a member of the police force, or the National Health Service, or the teaching profession.

01:00:25.000 People tend to join these service positions, I would like to hope, with the motivation of becoming a valuable member of the community.

01:00:33.000 Operating, my hope is, on the basis that through love and service you can improve the world.

01:00:39.000 But it seems that there's a tendency through institutions beyond deep state, espionage institutions that operate beyond the tenure of ordinary law That they, broadly speaking, end up allying with the interests of the powerful.

01:01:00.000 One of the other Snowden revelations, of course, was the collaboration between what are known as the five I countries, essentially the anglophonic countries, New Zealand, Australia, Canada.

01:01:10.000 America sharing information about their domestic populations to bypass the complexity imposed by their legislative inability to spy on their own populations by sort of doing what are considered to be the international espionage version of wife swapping.

01:01:28.000 What I would say, Annie, is that currently all of those countries are trying to push through legislation that enables them to impose fines on emergent pro-free speech organizations like Rumble.

01:01:42.000 Fining them, paring them down.

01:01:44.000 In fact, we have an asset here to show you.

01:01:46.000 In the UK, there's the online safety bill.

01:01:48.000 In the EU, there's a Digital Service Act.

01:01:51.000 In Canada, there's one.

01:01:52.000 In America, there's one.

01:01:53.000 and there's one in that country that's either Australia or New Zealand, I can't tell,

01:01:57.000 because frankly they made their flags too similar.

01:01:59.000 They all know that and it's time they all owned up to it as nations.

01:02:02.000 Now with that kind of legislation being pushed through, subsequent to Snowden's revelations,

01:02:08.000 with us understanding, or at least you and I discussing, what the role of these agencies are,

01:02:15.000 do you feel that it seems like there's a concerted effort to control free speech,

01:02:19.000 to control the narrative, to infiltrate big tech companies with deep state agencies,

01:02:24.000 in order to essentially support existing narratives at a time where it's possible for independent media like us,

01:02:30.000 and everyone, the people that are watching this live on our chat,

01:02:32.000 and you can join us on our chat if you want to by clicking on the red button,

01:02:35.000 to prevent us from communicating freely, not because of hate speech,

01:02:39.000 Because we wouldn't put up with that here and we certainly wouldn't spread it.

01:02:42.000 We believe that everyone is equal and has the right to express themselves however they want and we celebrate all forms of identity.

01:02:48.000 But, because they don't want people criticising the establishment and talking about the very kind of things you and I are talking about now.

01:02:54.000 It's about control of the narrative.

01:02:56.000 That's what they're doing.

01:02:57.000 So, for example, in the UK there was a law that was passed in 2016 called the Investor Powers Act.

01:03:04.000 And that retrospectively legalized what had been illegal spying, endemic spying, by GCHQ and the NSA.

01:03:13.000 So GCHQ is the UK spying system and the NSA is the US spying system, which is part of the Five Eyes, but that is the closest intelligence relationship ever.

01:03:25.000 And the irony was that countries like Russia and China then passed laws after 2016 saying, well, if the UK can pass these laws to snoop on their citizens, why not?

01:03:35.000 Why can't we do that?

01:03:36.000 And they get excoriated as countries that have over and dangerous control over their citizens.

01:03:45.000 So we have a situation where the UK has actually led the charge in terms of spying on their citizens.

01:03:52.000 They always have, actually, to a greater or lesser degree.

01:03:55.000 I mean, the US has been pretty close.

01:03:58.000 And then that can be used as justification around the world for more draconian and more

01:04:04.000 totalitarian regimes.

01:04:06.000 So that is the situation we're looking at.

01:04:08.000 What we are looking at now, as you just mentioned, with things like the online safety bill in

01:04:13.000 the UK and what is known as the C11 law in Canada, is online censorship bills.

01:04:19.000 So it's all done to protect children.

01:04:22.000 Well, actually, no, it's actually done to allow governments to censor what we can see or what we can access online.

01:04:29.000 So this is completely antithetical to everything that the Internet was designed to be back in the 80s and 90s with the sort of ideologues.

01:04:37.000 They just wanted free access to information, allowing free knowledge be spread around the world and that is what is being taken away with it from us at the moment, with what's going on technologically.

01:04:50.000 And in the EU particularly, I mean I'm based in Brussels, I can see the EU Commission out of my window, what we're looking at at the moment is not just the European Digital Act, it's also looking at something called the EU ID card, which basically means that All our information, if you get it, because you have to have an ID card to live anywhere in the EU, means that they can have access to your taxes, they can have access to your health records, they can have access to anything they want about you personally.

01:05:20.000 And we don't know what systems they're stored on, we don't know what systems they are controlled by, which corporations are controlling them, because lobbyists are big here, and we don't know how safe they're going to be.

01:05:31.000 But that also means that they can access your bank accounts and shave money off your bank accounts and things if there's another economic crisis as in 2008.

01:05:39.000 So it's a really scary thing.

01:05:41.000 There's a very good film made by a Dutch film company last year called State of Control talking about this.

01:05:47.000 I would recommend any of your viewers to have a look at that.

01:05:49.000 It's frightening.

01:05:51.000 Post a link in the description about that chat.

01:05:54.000 Now, here are some of the worst things that the CIA and FBI have done that we could come up with quite quickly.

01:06:01.000 Annie, you can tell us if these things are legit or phony.

01:06:06.000 Allegedly!

01:06:08.000 I'll be regularly pressing that button in case these things are lies.

01:06:11.000 They were involved in the assassination of JFK, RFK at length, describing that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.

01:06:17.000 Successfully supported coups in Iran, Guatemala, Congo, the Dominican Republic and South Vietnam, and the 2014 Ukrainian coup, interestingly, very current.

01:06:28.000 At least two of the 9-11 hijackers were recruited into a joint CIA-Saudi intelligence operation, according to an Office of Military Commission's court filing.

01:06:36.000 That was uncovered by the Grey Zone.

01:06:38.000 So that's the C.I.A.' 's three bad things from the C.I.A.

01:06:41.000 Here's the F.B.I.

01:06:42.000 The F.B.I.

01:06:43.000 used the Patriot Act's business records provision to track all U.S.

01:06:46.000 telephone calls, as revealed by Snowden's NSA leaks that we've just discussed.

01:06:49.000 They were instrumental in perpetrating the Russiagate hoax and censoring the Hunter Biden New York Post story, which could be considered to be electoral fraud.

01:06:55.000 Let us know what you think in the chat.

01:06:58.000 In 2020, during the arrest of a militia group for plotting to kidnap Michigan's Governor Gretchen Whitmer, 12 out of 14 suspects were FBI informants.

01:07:06.000 Essentially, they caused the crime, then solved it by saying, we caused this crime, so that's how we know that it was a crime.

01:07:13.000 Which one do you think comes off as worse, between the CIA and FBI?

01:07:17.000 And would you query any of the assertions made in that recent litany of damnation?

01:07:25.000 I am not an expert in any of them.

01:07:28.000 I would say, though, that all intelligence agencies around the world get involved in dirty tricks.

01:07:33.000 I mean, this is one of the reasons why I got involved in supporting my former partner, David Shailer, trying to expose the illegal Gaddafi plot assassination in 1996, which failed and killed innocent people and was illegal.

01:07:48.000 And then, of course, he was legally tortured and assassinated in 2011 in the world's full glare of the media.

01:07:56.000 by the very same groups.

01:07:57.000 So things shift in terms of the information that is available or the information that is seen to be good that the media puts out is the interesting shift in terms of the narrative drive and in the narrative control.

01:08:08.000 But yeah, I think we all need to be aware that, you know, intelligence agencies will get up to naughties sometimes.

01:08:18.000 The key thing about them is that If we want them to work effectively in a democracy, to protect us effectively in a democracy, they need to learn from their mistakes.

01:08:27.000 They need to be as transparent as possible.

01:08:29.000 There are certain things that do need to be kept secret, like ongoing operations, sense of operational techniques, agent names, that sort of thing.

01:08:35.000 But I don't see why everything has to be a blanket ban, with national security as the issue, you know, the get-out-of-jail-free card.

01:08:44.000 So in terms of a balance of proportionality, and in terms of protecting us all better, They need to be slightly more open.

01:08:53.000 And that's what they're not doing.

01:08:54.000 All these new laws you've just mentioned are dragging them back into greater secrecy rather than more transparency.

01:09:02.000 And as aware citizens, we need to have as much information as we can, particularly on the Internet, because that's what they're trying to shut down at the moment.

01:09:11.000 Danny, you make everything sound so smutty, dirty tricks and naughties. 0.73

01:09:16.000 You're a very British kind of spy. 0.93

01:09:18.000 When it's the sort of America, it all sounds so very grand and technological and jagged and dreadful.

01:09:24.000 But you've been up to all sorts of scalduggery.

01:09:27.000 They're very naughty boys and girls.

01:09:29.000 Look at their bottoms smacked. 0.99

01:09:30.000 They carry on with that.

01:09:31.000 I can see the EU out of my window.

01:09:34.000 I'm spying on Brussels right this second with my giant spy eyes that I've got.

01:09:40.000 You were mates with old David Shaler.

01:09:42.000 I remember when he came out with his revelations, he took a turn in the media tumble dryer. 0.89

01:09:46.000 He was accused of being a crackpot, a weirdo, a pervert, a near-do-well, an errant orphan boy. 0.70

01:09:54.000 All sorts of accusations were unnecessarily levelled at Shaler. 0.65

01:09:59.000 We've got to wrap up the show now, Annie, so I can't give you an opportunity to respond to that.

01:10:04.000 What are you doing?

01:10:05.000 What does that expression mean?

01:10:07.000 I'm gagged.

01:10:08.000 Yeah, we've gagged.

01:10:09.000 See?

01:10:10.000 More smart. 0.96

01:10:11.000 You're a smart addict.

01:10:12.000 You need to go to Smutterholics, in my humble view.

01:10:16.000 You can get Annie's book, The Privacy Mission.

01:10:19.000 Even that's a quite saucy title, isn't it?

01:10:20.000 There's sort of a bit of entendre around that, if you ask me, Mr Roy.

01:10:26.000 Annie, is there anything else you want to say?

01:10:28.000 We'll post a link to the privacy statement in the chat here.

01:10:32.000 As you know, we admire you very much on this show and we're happy to see that you're on a list as short as a mouse's leg.

01:10:41.000 What is it for that you've been shortlisted?

01:10:43.000 It's for the Business Book of the Year and the award ceremonies this evening, actually, in the UK.

01:10:52.000 So we shall see, but I'm up against a very Very famous group of authors, so I have no great hopes.

01:10:59.000 But I did enjoy writing The Privacy Mission.

01:11:01.000 It was a sort of culmination of years of research and years of speaking to hacktivists and to cybersecurity groups and all that sort of thing.

01:11:11.000 And also, I had a lot of advice from a wonderful organisation I work with at the moment called the World Ethical Data Foundation, and we put on an event every year called the World Ethical Data Forum, which at some point I might try and drag you into.

01:11:25.000 I'll go.

01:11:26.000 If you want me to give a whistleblower an award, dragged, gagged, in whatever state you'll take me, Annie, I will be there.

01:11:35.000 Thank you, Annie Masham, for joining us.

01:11:37.000 I wish you all the success in the world and I hope you win against those famous authors.

01:11:43.000 Perhaps you could spy on them and maybe sabotage their efforts using your techniques.

01:11:50.000 No.

01:11:51.000 In fact, I really hope Cory Doctorow wins.

01:11:53.000 He's a friend and the most amazing best-selling author, and if you haven't read his stuff, you should, because he's really damn good.

01:12:00.000 Nope, I'm supporting you.

01:12:01.000 The Privacy Mission's available. 0.73

01:12:03.000 There's a post in the chat there, and I have it on good authority that that other author that Annie just mentioned is Dangerous lunatic! 1.00

01:12:12.000 He's a Russian spy. 0.92

01:12:13.000 He's a Russian spy! 0.64

01:12:14.000 He's Anthony Blunt!

01:12:16.000 He's an asset!

01:12:17.000 He's an asset!

01:12:19.000 He's at the pool at Cliveden now, perfume-o-ing himself to within an inch of his life.

01:12:25.000 Shall I stop?

01:12:25.000 Yeah, probably.

01:12:26.000 Thanks, Andy Mashen.

01:12:27.000 Thanks very much.

01:12:28.000 Allegedly for.

01:12:29.000 Oh.

01:12:30.000 Allegedly.

01:12:31.000 That was all made up.

01:12:31.000 I don't know why I said that.

01:12:33.000 Allegedly.

01:12:33.000 He's just an author.

01:12:34.000 He's a good guy.

01:12:35.000 I don't even know him.

01:12:35.000 I was just saying it to end an interview.

01:12:38.000 Thanks, Annie.

01:12:39.000 The Electronic Freedom Foundation for years, and all sorts of other good stuff.

01:12:42.000 He's a real guru when it comes to tech.

01:12:45.000 I was joking, I was joking.

01:12:46.000 I'll go, I'll present an award, all right, if that's what I have to do.

01:12:49.000 I'll present an award, or I'll stand there, and I'll, like, I'll use some of my spy gear that I get from them shops.

01:12:54.000 You go to London, and guess what?

01:12:55.000 I've got a handshake thing that goes... Wow.

01:12:58.000 Yeah?

01:12:58.000 Get ready for that, Annie.

01:13:00.000 Oh, wow.

01:13:01.000 I thought Annie was the real spy.

01:13:03.000 No, it's me.

01:13:04.000 I've been deep cover all these years, baby.

01:13:06.000 Deep cover in me wife's housecoat.

01:13:09.000 Thanks, Annie.

01:13:13.000 I suppose she just did a thin-lipped nod there.

01:13:17.000 What was that?

01:13:17.000 That was a way of not having to say thank you.

01:13:21.000 Yeah, it was!

01:13:21.000 That was avoidance of thanks.

01:13:24.000 Yes, it was.

01:13:25.000 Because she didn't want to, like, that shows she's aware of what she's doing.

01:13:28.000 Like, I'm not going to unconsciously just say thank you, because that's what people say in these situations.

01:13:33.000 Thanks aren't warranted.

01:13:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:35.000 That last bit was stupid. 0.99

01:13:36.000 That litany of madness that you just came out with. 1.00

01:13:38.000 Yeah, I went a bit mad for a bit there.

01:13:40.000 What was that?

01:13:41.000 Pressure.

01:13:41.000 I don't know.

01:13:42.000 Work pressure.

01:13:42.000 It's work pressure.

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