A woman dressed her cat up as a baby in an attempt to smuggle drugs into a remote resort, and the BBC's very own Luke North is the one to ask the question: is she a good boy or a bad boy? Plus, the story of a woman dressed up her cat as baby, and why it doesn't matter that it's not a real cat. Plus, a story about a woman who dresses her cat in a bag of drugs, and how she got away with it. And why is it a good thing that her cat doesn't seem to mind? All this and more on this week's episode of Awakenings Wonders, hosted by Alex Blumberg ( ) and Luke North ( ), exclusively from BBC Radio 5 Live's Breakfast Show on BBC Radio 4's Breakfast Programme, Breakfast Time with Nick Davies ( ), where they discuss all things news and current affairs. This episode is brought to you exclusively on Free Speech, or, as some are calling it, 'Freak Platform Rumble', where you can freely talk about stories like NATO censoring anti-NATO rhetoric on social media. Also, we're going to be talking about RFK Jr's claims about Anthony Fauci, which literally can't be discussed on YouTube, as well as talking at length about the 4.5 million people who died in the post-9/11 conflicts, and let's think about how that was framed in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. In this video, you're gonna see the future. You're gonna be in for a ride to freedom and truth and freedom. Enjoy! - in this episode of AWakenings wonders. - The Awakening Wonders, featuring Luke North and the crew at BBC Breakfast. (featuring Luke North) Copyright 2019, Copyright 2019 Copyright 2019 by Luke North (c) 2019, All Rights Reserved. All rights reserved. The author(s) Luke North, All rights Reserved. This work may not be used without permission unless otherwise stated in the video, unless otherwise specified. All credit given to the author and any other person's use of their right to do so in this video. If you've got a problem with copyright infringement, we apologise for the work of another person's work, we've been compensated for the use of this material, we'd like to seek compensation. Thank you for your support in any way, we appreciate the support we've received.
00:00:50.000Thanks for joining me on this voyage to truth and freedom.
00:00:53.000If you're watching this on YouTube, we'll be there for about 10-15 minutes, then we will be exclusively available on free speech, or as some are calling it now, Freach Platform Rumble, where you can freely talk about stories like NATO censoring anti-NATO rhetoric on social media.
00:01:19.000Also, we're going to be talking about RFK Junior's claims about Anthony Fauci, which literally can't be discussed on YouTube, as well as talking at some length about the 4.5 million people who died in the post-911 conflicts, and let's think about how that was framed.
00:01:39.000when it happened. But to ensure that we remain somewhat frivolous, my on-screen assistant
00:01:45.000and I, we're going to bring you a story where a British regional news reporter for the BBC,
00:01:51.000which Elon Musk would say is what state media, Elon Musk would call that, state media are calling
00:01:56.000to Elon Musk. Have you seen that guy, boogie? Watch her at each...
00:02:01.000She ends the news with the phrase, good boy.
00:03:50.000He was alright, but he didn't know, though.
00:03:52.000I think if I showed him that it was compromising on him, he wouldn't have noticed.
00:03:56.000The thing about this is that already, like, she's... Like, they're suggesting that if she'd have done it with a real baby, that she might have got away with it.
00:04:04.000But it was the fact that they discovered, first of all, hang on, that's not a baby, it's a cat.
00:04:08.000Okay, let's just check what's going on here.
00:04:10.000Wait a minute, that's not a baby, it's a cat!
00:08:45.000And again, recent revelations that, I'm speaking particularly of the Russiagate ones, Make me feel like that all of the condemnation and even for people that I actually respect like Jon Stewart saying no Trump is a definite definite baddie and there are obvious stories in the news at the moment that are pretty difficult to decry when morally indicting Trump, shall we say.
00:09:09.000But in a climate where there's been cohesive, collaborative efforts between the mainstream media, funded by the Democrat Party, perpetrated by the FBI, that were known to be untrue from the get-go, as our recent story on that subject demonstrates.
00:09:25.000If you've not seen that yet, it's probably up on Rumble now.
00:09:54.000Army Cyber Command, you don't have to know what that is, told defense contractors, so there's a meeting behind closed doors between the U.S.
00:10:01.000Army and the defense contractors, already you would think, why is that happening?
00:10:06.000It planned to surveil global social media used to defend the NATO brand.
00:10:10.000This is a recording that the Intercept got hold of.
00:10:13.000The remarks came during a closed-door conference hosted by the Cyberfusion Innovation Centre, a Pentagon-sponsored non-profit that helps with military tech procurement.
00:10:25.000The mass social media surveillance appears to be just one component of a broader initiative To use private sector data mining to advance the Army Information's warfare efforts.
00:10:35.000So this is a way in which the Army is using, as it says here, private sector data mining in much the same way the Twitter files revealed that private big tech companies were being lent on by the government.
00:10:48.000To basically do the job of defence contractors in terms of helping them out, making sure that the NATO brand doesn't suffer and therefore that wars perpetuate and military equipment keeps on getting bought.
00:11:01.000It's such an insidious world happening behind closed doors that the army, the defence contractors, the big tech companies are all in it together to kind of create this world where we just need to keep buying weapons.
00:11:15.000I think, also, that when you find out that criticism of NATO is being censored on social media, you think, oh, why is that happening?
00:11:25.000And then you can trace it back to because they need NATO's integrity to be unblemished in order to continue to legitimise weapons.
00:11:35.000When you find that out, you go, oh God, it's exactly as I've always believed it to be.
00:11:40.000And when you find out Now that four and a half million people were killed in the post 9-11 conflict, it makes you further query the legitimacy of foreign wars underwritten by either righteousness, war against terror, humanitarian motives.
00:11:58.000How much longer can we continue to legitimize the narratives advanced by an establishment that has again and again revealed what motivates This is a new report and it's called Death Outlives War.
00:12:11.000And I guess it's one of those things that we don't think about very often,
00:12:14.000about the way in which actually more deaths happen, more people, especially children and the impoverished,
00:12:19.000and marginalized populations have been killed by the effects of war
00:12:40.000It's about what's the long-term effects of these wars happening.
00:12:43.000There's an ongoing migrant crisis, as it's described, in Europe where people feel like migration is beyond the
00:12:53.000capacity of already entrenched domestic populations,
00:12:59.000that people can't take no more migrations.
00:13:01.000Like, obviously a complex issue that goes to the heart of many cultural war issues
00:13:06.000and indeed the idea of compassion in politics.
00:13:11.000This issue is not separate from these profitable illegitimate wars brought about again by the same establishment that now continues to condemn ordinary working people for their bigotry or their vaccine hesitancy or a whole host of ways of doing what the establishment has always done, speaking of ordinary people in condescending and condemnatory terms and tones.
00:13:36.000Yeah, when you look at how these things evolve over time, it's pretty plain that they are willing to use whatever method is necessary to legitimize whatever actions they want to take.
00:13:47.000And when it comes to dealing with the consequences, they find ways of kind of, what do I want to say, gerrymandering and manipulating those consequences away from them.
00:13:57.000And what, like, links these two things, military-industrial complex?
00:14:00.000The federal government has spent eight trillion dollars on these wars, and we know that half of that, or at least, you know, half of that goes to military-industrial complex.
00:14:08.000So it's, uh, it's, you know, appalling.
00:14:10.000The deeper issue here, and one that we've been talking about, is does deep state power In collaboration with globalist interests, bypass the power of ordinary democracy.
00:14:23.000And increasingly it's becoming clear that the answer to that is yes.
00:14:26.000Let me know in the chat now if you saw our conversation with RFK.
00:14:34.000We're talking to Annie Mashon later in the show, a former member of MI5.
00:14:38.000He's going to help us to unpack The CIA and FBI and just how corrupt they are.
00:14:43.000We're going to look at the worst things the CIA has allegedly done.
00:14:47.000In some cases you have to say allegedly because it's really lairy stuff.
00:14:50.000And the worst things that the FBI have done and continue to do.
00:14:54.000Look right up to the current news story about Russiagate and their collaboration with the Democratic Party and the mainstream media in creating lies around Donald Trump.
00:15:01.000even if you hate Donald Trump, it would be better wouldn't it if there wasn't this just
00:15:05.000ongoing conveyor belt of stories where the establishment has lied and manipulated and
00:15:11.000used the judiciary and the electoral system and the deep state in order like if Donald Trump is
00:15:16.000so bad then let's just let Donald Trump's badness deal with itself rather than this ongoing campaign
00:15:23.000of deception and malevolence. Let me know in the chat where you stand on that issue. Okay time now
00:15:29.000Now for a new item where I analyse events in the news.
00:15:33.000I don't know what it's going to be called, and I don't know what it's going to look like, but a graphic has been created.
00:15:57.000I normally stick up for him, but I think we've reached the point.
00:16:00.000I think the main influences are going to be drugs.
00:16:02.000I think he'll be having that conversation about his influence with a cat dressed up as a little boy sat on his lap with chemicals leaking from every orifice.
00:16:12.000And now we're going to analyse succession.
00:16:24.000What happens in the power vacuum left after the death of a tyrant, but instead of it being set in like Jacoby in England is, of course, set in contemporary America with the Roy family.
00:16:37.000A very obvious standing for the Murdoch family, ATN being Fox News, and characters like Mencken being sort of de facto Trumps, like Donald Trump.
00:16:48.000So let's have a look at, this is a preview for episode eight, so we can sort of get into some of the things we've discussed.
00:16:56.000Oh, there will be spoilers in this, if you're like a person that's trying to avoid spoilers.
00:17:25.000If you start going, do you know, actually, Rupert, it reminds me like, no, listen, that's what's in the opinion, what you've gone into there.
00:17:50.000Everyone, do you know, everyone's watching Succession.
00:17:52.000Everyone you know watches Succession, don't they?
00:17:54.000So probably we know a lot of people that work in media, probably we know a lot of people that live in cities, but one of the things I want to bring to the forefront is it is accepting the framing of contemporary political debate, i.e.
00:19:15.000But you can't continue saying, like, we have to make sure Trump doesn't get in.
00:19:18.000We have to make sure that Biden gets in.
00:19:20.000It's like as if there are clear lines between good and evil, because it's plain that the system itself, the deep state, globalist corporate interests, are able to prevail regardless of who's in power.
00:19:31.000It's interesting, a story we didn't get to before, but it was about weapon sales and Biden selling weapons to the majority of the world's autocracies.
00:19:39.000It's his weapon sales have gone up under Biden than Trump.
00:19:43.000So when Biden came in he was like, you talked about a battle between democracies and autocracies.
00:20:03.000It's like, again, there is that headline.
00:20:05.000The show kind of accepts the framing of what I would call the neoliberal establishment, which fetishises what it believes to be the small differences between itself and the sort of libertarian right, and celebrates and revels in those differences.
00:20:20.000Oh look, we're better than you in this area, but what about these selling weapons to the majority of the world's autocracies?
00:20:27.000Right, we don't sell weapons to all of the world's autocracies.
00:21:49.000Because you can talk about it even in these terms.
00:21:52.000But what I do query is the presumption that there's a meaningful difference between the two parties.
00:22:01.000There were the moments, again spoilers, but in last night's show, or this week's show, where they were talking about if Megan gets in and how awful things would be.
00:22:12.000And that was the first time I thought, this feels a bit reductive.
00:22:15.000And I've never said that about Succession ever.
00:22:18.000Yeah, because it is ultimately, I suppose, let us know in the chat and the comments if you agree, a satire on Fox, Trump, and the relationship between the media and power.
00:22:30.000And it's beautifully satirised, and perhaps it's unfair to offer this kind of criticism, because perhaps you have to have certain lines between good and evil.
00:24:54.000I think he is a brilliant hybrid of Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, and sort of captures the geek glamour of these powerful new barons and magnates.
00:25:04.000And I suppose, based on what I observe to be the relationship between this show and the reality that it's satirising, I would have to guess that Mattson will come out on top, because It seems that one of the tensions we're experiencing, particularly according to the analysis of the influential Martin Goury's book The Revolt of the Public Informs, many of the opinions shared certainly by me on this show, is that what we're witnessing is the end of old elites and the emergence of new elites.
00:25:35.000The inability of establishment power to recognize that the game that they've been playing has now changed.
00:25:41.000They don't understand the lexicon nomenclature Or dynamics of emergent technology and its ability to influence power.
00:25:50.000And indeed the broader themes that we talk about continually on this show of centralised authority and the rise of authoritarianism apparently on the left through censorship, legitimisation of surveillance, lockdowns and the way that they were perhaps stuck to beyond their... Allegedly!
00:26:07.000Facility, the immoralization and imposition of certain medicines, the exaggeration... Allegedly!
00:26:15.000...of their positive impact all point to ways to legitimize authority.
00:26:20.000We're only, like, all authoritarianism says that it's doing the right thing, though.
00:26:24.000You know, whether that's the monstrous dictators of the 20th century, they were not like, And now, a genocide!
00:26:32.000It's just like, we've got to do this stuff because X, Y, Z, mythology, this, Wagner, that, trains run on time, the other.
00:26:41.000And of course I'm not making comparisons.
00:26:44.000I'm just saying that authoritarianism doesn't overtly tell you that it's wrong.
00:26:50.000You have to believe in the legitimacy of your own power.
00:26:53.000And so I feel like based on that, that this is my guess of what will happen.
00:26:57.000Shiv will win, I feel that that will be, just because she's on a down note at the moment, there has to be an ascent, possibly, and will become reconciled with Tom, and that Mattson will be empowered and the deal will go through, so that we get the idea that, oh no, even though this old power dynamic of these corrupt Murdoch-like individuals has been broken down, it's been replaced by a similarly corrupt... Who's the real successor?
00:27:27.000Succession is a new... Not necessarily the family.
00:27:39.000The moment at the start of that episode where Tom was like talking about how nervous he was and what awful days got planned and then Greg just goes, I'm having quite a nice day.
00:27:53.000That's where, like, Succession, for me, like, how, you know, we're talking about, like, the one moment of maybe it being a touch reductive for drama's sake, but the way in which this stuff with Mattson and Gojo and this kind of commentary about big tech maybe taking over, and, like, the way in which they talk about Brian Cox's character being able to affect elections, the ability for big tech to now do that,
00:28:16.000I mean literally there was an article this week about how big tech are now richer and
00:28:20.000more powerful than most countries and it's amazing the way in which that's going and the way
00:28:26.000in which succession kind of deals with that.
00:28:30.000In a way, because we have accepted taxonomies of power that relate to previous dynamics, like a nation is a powerful thing, or even corporations are powerful things, we are unable to even mentally envisage what new power actually looks like.
00:28:49.000I also like the bit where Greg goes, I drank things that maybe aren't drinks.
00:29:48.000I want to talk to you about some stuff that's pretty serious, as a matter of fact, that I definitely would not be able to talk about on YouTube.
00:29:54.000When we spoke to RFK the other day, he made some claims about Anthony Fauci and gain-of-function research, and in particular, Well, you cut me off at the point where what I'm saying gets too risky, right?
00:30:07.000RFK said that Anthony Fauci was doing gain-of-function research in this country.
00:30:11.000It got shut down by the Obama administration, should be safe so far.
00:30:14.000It got re-initiated by the Trump administration, should still be okay.
00:30:19.000Then he repoed it, because he's like, we can't do this in America.
00:30:23.000to a certain town in China that you may have heard of that sounds a bit like a hip-hop collective whose name ends in clan.
00:30:40.000Then in 2014, three of the bugs escaped from labs in the United States, and everybody finds out about it.
00:30:47.000Congress has hearings, 300 scientists write letters to Obama, Sign a letter to Obama saying you've got to shut down Tony Fauci, he's going to create an epidemic.
00:30:59.000Obama shuts down all of Fauci's projects, orders them closed, has a moratorium, but Fauci doesn't shut them down.
00:31:06.000He continues doing them, and then he starts shipping everything over to Wuhan, where he can do it offshore, out of sight of these federal overseers and all the nosy scientists like Richard Ebright and the others from the Cambridge Working Group who were horrified by what he was doing.
00:31:24.000And that's kind of why the short story of why, you know, we're doing all this stuff in Wuhan rather than doing it at University of North Carolina in Galveston, which is where they were doing it before.
00:31:35.000Okay, so if that's your introduction to RFK, you won't be familiar to the fact that the guy is a sort of truth bomb, or at least extraordinary fact bomb, or indeed information... I don't know how to say it.
00:31:47.000I don't know if you believe RFK or not.
00:31:50.000Certainly he says a lot of extraordinary stuff.
00:32:16.000The National Institute of Health today lifted a three-year moratorium on funding gain of function research on potential pandemic viruses such as avian flu, SARS and MERS, opening the door for certain types of research to resume.
00:32:44.000But certainly, RFK says in his famous best-selling book, The Real Anthony Fauci, that many claims made in extraordinarily small print across a number of pages are all undergirded by cast-iron information.
00:32:57.000What do you think, Gareth, about Fauci reportedly relaunching NIH gain-of-function research without concerning the White House?
00:33:03.000Is that something we have any more information on?
00:33:04.000Well look, I mean, somebody did, didn't they?
00:33:06.000I mean, whether it was Fauci or not, I mean, it happened.
00:33:11.000I think the issue here is that this risky gain-of-function research was going on, and continues to go on.
00:33:18.000I think, you know, it's controversial for a reason, and we know what it's At the very beginning of the virus, the idea that it in any way would like... There were two sort of major things going on.
00:33:28.000Oh, there's just... Remember these sort of innocent days before we all had to occupy these mad little online enclaves of exchanging true information that may nevertheless be censored?
00:33:38.000There was a bit at the beginning where I came to it with my...
00:34:03.000Oh and like people that were anti-Trump liked him because he would like Roll his eyes behind drummers.
00:34:08.000And I can remember people I really respect going, you know, this Anthony Fauci, this is what shows you what it is to be someone who's dedicated themselves to medicine and science for their whole career, and then come of the hour, come of the man, this guy is, like, nailing it.
00:34:19.000And then to find out a bit later, oh, they are, through DARPA, there are connections to the Wuhan laboratories and Anthony Fauci that potentially royalties have been received.
00:34:29.000By Anthony Fauci through the CDC, as a result of pharmacological experimentation.
00:34:35.000Like, the amount of information that has accrued subsequently means that... I mean, I wonder, do you know anyone that has still got a 2019 perspective on the pandemic?
00:34:46.000By that I mean, You better take those vaccines because you'll be immune and you won't spread it.
00:34:51.000You're irresponsible and you're killing others if you don't take it.
00:34:55.000You should be locked down all the time.
00:35:57.000Let me see if I've understood this correctly.
00:36:01.000That people that were not showing symptoms were not infectious and that there was a tool available to diagnose that that was suppressed for reasons we don't know.
00:36:14.000We don't know if suppressed but ignored by the CDC.
00:36:16.000A special test was developed and the researchers at Stanford, I think this was, found that 96% of people who were PCR positive but without symptoms We're not infectious.
00:36:32.000Remember, one of the common myths was, the thing about this, what makes it so bad and so easy to lock down a population that are increasingly difficult to control is, even if you're not showing symptoms, you could still kill your nan.
00:36:47.000Right, well that weren't true, and it could have been proven at the time.
00:36:50.000Yeah, exactly what this article suggests, or what it says, is it undergirded policies on, as you say, distancing, quarantines, masks, all of those kind of things.
00:37:02.000And now it's kind of been proven that that wasn't the case, but not only do we now know that it wasn't the case, but that there was a test to demonstrate this at the time.
00:37:13.000This is just a story that Gareth and I are cooking up right now.
00:37:16.000Gareth and I were just discussing that before we went on air.
00:37:18.000It's not cooking it up, it's making it up.
00:38:10.000Birth rates are declining, and in less than a hundred years, countries like Spain and Japan could have half as many people as they have now.
00:38:16.000How can that be a right-wing or left-wing talking point?
00:39:19.000There are obviously chemical factors and social factors.
00:39:23.000We know that male fertility is decreasing, female fertility is decreasing.
00:39:27.000We are aware that the way that a culture measures significance and value has shifted, that there is a kind of prizing of working, of females working as being significant and important, and that that has become a cherished value.
00:39:40.000And attacking that and saying women oughtn't work is seen as an attack on female power and potency.
00:39:45.000And I wonder what role nature has at all at this point.
00:39:49.000On one side of the argument you have this enshrinement of ecology through the climate change movement, elsewhere the nature of human beings.
00:39:55.000as animals or as spirits or as creatures of this planet has become detached somehow.
00:40:00.000We shouldn't just because we're born this or born that have to live within that framework.
00:40:04.000And I'm certainly not offering an opinion on a subject that's become one of the most
00:40:07.000defining and contentious ones of our age. I believe in people's individual freedom.
00:40:10.000I also believe in nature. Certainly we appear to believe in nature in other areas of the
00:40:15.000conversation. And I suppose what we're talking about here is primarily a demographic shift.
00:40:19.000We have an aging population that don't have a workforce to look after them and don't have
00:40:24.000So, ultimately, you're talking about economics and the distribution of resources.
00:40:28.000Of course, the solutions that will be offered, I suppose, will ultimately be technological.
00:40:31.000The fact is that we should be addressing, at some point, what is the quantitative value of ongoing life?
00:40:37.000Why do you want people to stay alive forever and ever?
00:40:40.000Now, of course, if it's someone that I love, like my own mother or father, of course, I want them to live as long as possible, as I'm sure you do with If your relatives let me know in the comments and the chat.
00:40:49.000But essentially, the value of life is experiential.
00:40:52.000What is the experience of your life like?
00:41:40.000If I would have kids now, I will have to change all my life.
00:41:46.000From a cultural perspective, the value of children and the family can, of course, be critiqued and analysed.
00:41:52.000Some people will say that the nuclear family is a cultural construct, that tribal living is more native to our kind, to our species, where there are numerous relatives of multiple generations looking after the young and participating in child rearing.
00:42:08.000But when it comes to procreation, it's so deeply embedded in our coding.
00:42:14.000Even if you want to look at this in a solely material, rational, and let's say, from a biological perspective, procreation is pretty significant, I would say.
00:42:23.000The same as eating, defecating, procreating, fornicating.
00:42:28.000Things that seem to take place on the level of the animal body, that are not to do with the individual actually, are beyond the individual identity.
00:42:36.000I feel like our culture has become so politicised that we're unable, as a group, to have a shared analytic of what being human is that is separate from our kind of oppositional left-v-right, progress-v-tradition type politics.
00:42:51.000My personal position is you, as an individual, are worthy of respect.
00:42:55.000And you, as an individual, should be free to live your life however you want to.
00:42:59.000And I think to increasingly politicize those areas of the conversation makes it difficult to have a shared cultural agreement around what human beings are.
00:43:28.000The biggest issue in 20 years will be population collapse.
00:43:33.000Here's some information that pieces together the salient points from that documentary so we can understand the argument succinctly for ourselves.
00:43:41.000The world is ill-prepared for the global crash in children being born, which is set to have a jaw-dropping impact on society, say researchers.
00:43:47.000Falling fertility rates mean nearly every country could have shrinking populations by the end of the century.
00:43:52.000And 23 nations, including Spain and Japan, are expected to see their populations halved by 2100.
00:43:57.000Countries will also age dramatically, with as many people turning 80 as there are being born.
00:44:02.000So certainly it appears that there are demographic shifts and changes on, well not even on the horizon, happening now.
00:44:08.000The fertility rate, the average number of children a woman gives birth to, is falling.
00:44:12.000If the number falls below approximately 2.1, then the size of the population starts to form.
00:44:17.000In 1950, women were having an average of 4.7 children in their lifetime.
00:44:21.000Researchers at the University of Washington Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation showed the global fertility rate nearly halved to 2.4 in 2017, and their study published in The Lancet projects it will fall below 1.7 by 2100.
00:44:31.000Now, you can see why Women would say, hang on a minute.
00:44:38.000What you're suggesting is that a woman's primary function is to bear and rear children.
00:44:43.000Why is it this area in particular where the project of civilization has to be arrested?
00:44:49.000We've been having to create agriculture, the industrial revolution, the technological revolution, machines to do all of our jobs, animal husbandry.
00:44:57.000But in the area of the function of a woman, you want to stick to what's on the label, as it were.
00:45:02.000And I can see why, you know, a woman or women or particular groups within the gender of women would have issue with that.
00:45:11.000Because what civilization does is meddles with the flow of nature.
00:45:14.000As soon as we have medicine, as soon as we control animals, as soon as we control crops, we're starting to say, oh, we're not living entirely in harmony with nature.
00:45:20.000So why are you saying in this area we have to be in harmony with nature?
00:45:24.000And I suppose the argument that documentary is making is because the species is under threat.
00:45:27.000I suppose the kind of technological arguments will come will be artificial insemination, growing children in pods, we've already done a thing about that, haven't we, elsewhere, and further divorcing ourselves from nature.
00:45:38.000But perhaps the human project has been, particularly since civilization, one of creating distance from ourselves and the teleology that's taken us further away from the conditions of our origin.
00:45:48.000Let me know in the chat and the comments what you think about that.
00:45:50.000As a result, the researchers expect the number of people on the planet to peak at 9.7 billion around 2064 before falling down to 8.8 billion by the end of the century.
00:46:00.000Most of the world is transitioning into natural population decline, researcher Professor Christopher Murray told the BBC.
00:46:07.000I think it's incredibly hard to think this through and recognise how big a thing it is.
00:46:10.000It's extraordinary we'll have to reorganise societies.
00:46:13.000It's nothing to do with sperm counts or the usual things that come to mind when discussing fertility.
00:46:17.000Instead, it is being driven by more women in education and work, as well as greater access to contraception, leading to women choosing to have fewer children.
00:46:25.000If it indeed is the result of the choice of individuals and how that plays out across a society, then, well, what do you do?
00:46:32.000Suggest to women that they can't do that?
00:46:46.000You should be free to be whoever you want to be.
00:46:48.000And I don't know that anymore if my working life is what gives me freedom.
00:46:52.000A lot of the time I think you're imprisoned by this model.
00:46:56.000And how do you feel about your working life?
00:46:58.000Unless you have something vocational that gives you purpose, whatever your gender, I'm not sure that work is what gives you your purpose anymore.
00:47:04.000Unless, you know, you're working in a hospice, or you're helping people get well, or you're teaching children.
00:47:09.000All of which align with the kind of roles we would have in a pre-civilised society, I would argue.
00:47:29.000So I suppose you could change it quickly as well.
00:47:31.000Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same time frame.
00:47:38.000They are two of 23 countries, which also include Spain, Portugal, Thailand and South Korea, expected to see their population more than half.
00:47:45.000That's jaw-dropping, Professor Christopher Murray said.
00:47:48.000However, this will be a truly global issue, with 183 out of 195 countries having a fertility rate below the replacement level.
00:47:56.000The study projects the number of under fives will fall from 681 million in 2017 to 401 million in 2100.
00:48:04.000The number of eight-year-olds will soar from 141 million in 2017 to 866 million in 2100.
00:48:09.000I know loads of you will like it because it's a direct contra-argument to the idea of population explosion, and there are too many people in the world.
00:48:17.000Stuff that, say, you will have heard Bill Gates say, for example, so I think a lot of people will like that.
00:48:21.000Ah, it's a rebuttal to many of those arguments.
00:48:23.000Also it's saying, never mind climate change, what about this issue?
00:48:26.000Which I know a lot of people will hate, and a lot of people will like.
00:48:29.000But it's interesting to look at this simply as data, rather than a gender-led piece of information.
00:48:34.000What it invites you to look at is the fact that we live on one planet, there's a finite number of people, we could organise society differently, both on a macro and micro level.
00:48:43.000You know that usually what I talk about is decentralisation, so that we have individual freedom, community and collective freedom.
00:48:48.000But it's interesting as well to look at what's happening Globally, because surely these numbers will be impactful.
00:48:54.000Who pays tax in a massively aged world?
00:48:56.000Who pays for health care for the elderly?
00:49:07.000They think women will just decide to have more kids.
00:49:09.000If you can't find a solution, then eventually the species disappears, but that's a few centuries away.
00:49:14.000Professor Ibrahim Abubakar, University College London said, If these predictions are even half accurate, migration will become a necessity for all nations and not an option.
00:49:23.000To be successful, we need a fundamental rethink of global politics.
00:49:27.000The distribution of working age populations will be crucial to whether humanity prospers or withers.
00:49:32.000I think it's a crisis that we better tackle now before it reaches a tipping point which may not be reversible, lead author Hagei Levine of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's Hadassah Braun School of Public Health told The Guardian.
00:49:43.000Levine added that the findings serve as a canary in the coal mine.
00:49:46.000We have a serious problem on our hands that, if not mitigated, could threaten humankind's survival.
00:49:51.000But perhaps the argument that this is entirely about the progression of a female's role in a traditionally male-led society and improvement in birth control is a limiting one.
00:50:02.000Perhaps increasing inequality, a culture where we loom between crises, is having an impact on people's goals and spiritual aspirations.
00:50:11.000If you move from economic crash in 2008, having just had the 2001 attacks on the culture, endless war, pandemics, do people really want to have children?
00:50:21.000Perhaps the deeper spiritual sense that we're living in a culture in decline and in despair does something to us as animals.
00:50:27.000spirits that prevents us wanting to progress and procreate.
00:50:31.000It doesn't feel safe here anymore does it? We don't trust authority, we don't trust any of
00:50:35.000our institutions. What people need, whether they're a male parent or a female parent, is a
00:50:39.000sense that they are safe and secure. And I know that I feel as a father and I feel that my wife feels
00:50:44.000as a mother, this ain't a great place to be bringing children sometimes and we're in an all right
00:50:48.000condition in an all right country with an all right income. This isn't just that women's roles
00:50:53.000have changed culturally and there's better access to contraception though of course I'm sure that's a
00:50:57.000There are perhaps deeper existential changes that people are massively like, I don't want to be here anymore, I don't want to have children.
00:51:03.000And also the fetishisation and celebration of the individual, that your role is as I'm me, this is me, just do it man, be the best you you can be.
00:51:10.000Means that people don't think of service and duty and family, and I'm not making that claim against any particular gender or sex, I'm saying Look at what our culture tells us is important.
00:51:21.000So I would say that in addition with the factors observed within this document and that documentary, we should consider a decline in hope, a sense of spiritual despair, cultures that are falling apart more broadly, a crisis where we lurch from one crisis to another, are all factors in making people not feel like they're still nests and have a bunch of babies, because barely a day passes we're not contemplating the bloody apocalypse.
00:52:28.000Here they are, this is what they're like.
00:52:29.000If you're an American person, or a Canadian person, or a Tunisian person, if you're anything other than the Sylvanian, which I think means the countryside.
00:53:31.000I've tried everything to educate you people, and you've let me down again and again.
00:53:35.000We are on the back of many of our complex conversations with figures that understand the deep state.
00:53:41.000We are questioning the legitimacy of the CIA, the FBI, and who better to discuss that with than a former MI5 intelligence officer who blew the whistle on illegal phone taps around the illegal, unnecessary, and I would say a bit out of order, Assassination of Colonel Gaddafi.
00:53:58.000We all remember seeing him in the back of that van.
00:54:11.000It's my wife's house coat, Annie, as a matter of fact.
00:54:14.000And I don't know what journey I'm on now as I learn to dwell happily in middle age, but it appears to be some form of dressing up in my wife's clothes, which used to be quite a conventional way to get through this difficult time.
00:54:30.000There's loads of things we want to ask you about.
00:54:33.000Let me just sketch out the parameters of this conversation.
00:54:37.000With it finally being revealed that all of the Russiagate allegations were unfounded and untrue, and they were known to be untrue at the beginning, and yet the FBI pursued them.
00:54:45.000With RFK saying that he would disband the CIA and that he believes that the CIA assassinated JFK, he's obviously not the first person.
00:54:54.000I'd like to ask you, as a former member of the intelligence community, albeit a goodie, much more James Bond than, I don't know, one of them ones that's killing people for the government.
00:55:05.000Do you think that these institutions are fundamentally corrupt and if the goal was to radically revise our global infrastructure in order to create a fairer and better world, do you think you'd get rid of them or do you think that they're things that can be saved or things that are necessary?
00:55:23.000There's always got to be a democratic balance, because we do need defences against other countries that are going to be using the same sort of aggressive tactics.
00:55:31.000But if we want to call ourselves democracies, we need to make sure that they are under democratic control.
00:55:38.000So there has to be a proportionality about the powers that they can exert, and there has to be a proportionality about what they can legally cover up.
00:55:47.000Otherwise, we don't function in a democracy.
00:55:49.000And so what you were talking about earlier in terms of the linkage between big tech and government is a very dangerous path to go down.
00:55:57.000And this is something Edward Snowden disclosed many, many years ago, a decade ago.
00:56:10.000I feel like you gave Daniel Howe an award pretty recently, but the Twitter files revealed that the FBI were, you know, a little too involved in censorship of information that was posted on that platform, censoring information of legitimate authorities, censoring information that's been proven to be true.
00:56:29.000So it shows you that the deep state is a real thing, that the FBI, excuse me, and the CIA Can't really be regarded primarily as defensive organizations that are stopping us from yielding to the threat of North Korea or domestic radicals of some persuasion or Islamic terror all of the other reasons.
00:56:51.000I mean look at Biden pushing through the very legislation that Snowden revealed, like, you know, like the stuff, the Patriot Act stuff that was there to spy on individuals in order to defend Americans from potential attacks, that that is up for review and they want to revive it under the auspices of the threat of American, excuse me, of Mexican drug cartels.
00:57:13.000So, like, what is the essential function of these organisations?
00:57:18.000Is it to defend the American people or is it to control the American people?
00:57:23.000Well, the first question I would ask would be why are we only focusing on America?
00:57:27.000I mean, is this the, you know, the apotheosis of democracy?
00:57:34.000And there is an issue around what is called the deep state.
00:57:38.000Having said that, what do we mean by the deep state would be the key question, in my view.
00:57:43.000So in terms of having law enforcement agencies there to try and protect basic rights of their citizens, that is a good thing.
00:57:52.000In terms of their being corrupted or subverted or unknowingly being used to link into things like the military-industrial complex or the military-censorship complex or whatever, that is a bad thing.
00:58:06.000So a lot of very good people go into these organisations trying to do good.
00:58:10.000And often they can feel quite powerless in confronting the bureaucratic monolith that often these organisations become.
00:58:19.000So this is one of the key things that Edward Snowden disclosed 10 years ago, I can't believe it was 10 years ago, when he started talking about, one, the PRISM programme, and then all sorts of other hideousness.
00:58:32.000to show quite how embedded the tech and intelligence agencies have become across the Western world.
00:58:40.000So there's a lot to unpick and unpack here.
00:58:43.000in terms of the interrelations and the interleaving of the spies and the corporate and government intersections.
00:58:53.000If we want to go back to Edward Snowden, that means his very first disclosure in June 2013 was the PRISM programme, which showed that there were back doors built into all the big tech global giants coming out of the USA.
00:59:09.000And whether or not they knew it was happening, or whether or not it was unwittingly done to them, means that it still left all of us vulnerable, so that the intelligence agencies could hoover up all our intelligence data, all our internet data.
00:59:24.000So we're talking about metadata, we're talking about personal data, we're talking about access to hacking our computer systems.
00:59:30.000And this is something I've written about, as you know, because you very kindly promoted my book, The Privacy Mission, which is shortlisted for a very nice award tonight.
00:59:40.000But the key point is, whether or not they knew it was going on, or whether they agreed to it going on, it means that there is this collusion, this interleaving between The intelligence agencies and the global tech companies.
00:59:57.000And then, of course, this also means that the vulnerabilities can therefore be exploited by the criminal hackers as well.
01:00:09.000One is, of course, we're not condemning individuals that join the CIA, the FBI, MI5, of course, an organization that you're a member of, any more than I would condemn a member of the police force, or the National Health Service, or the teaching profession.
01:00:25.000People tend to join these service positions, I would like to hope, with the motivation of becoming a valuable member of the community.
01:00:33.000Operating, my hope is, on the basis that through love and service you can improve the world.
01:00:39.000But it seems that there's a tendency through institutions beyond deep state, espionage institutions that operate beyond the tenure of ordinary law That they, broadly speaking, end up allying with the interests of the powerful.
01:01:00.000One of the other Snowden revelations, of course, was the collaboration between what are known as the five I countries, essentially the anglophonic countries, New Zealand, Australia, Canada.
01:01:10.000America sharing information about their domestic populations to bypass the complexity imposed by their legislative inability to spy on their own populations by sort of doing what are considered to be the international espionage version of wife swapping.
01:01:28.000What I would say, Annie, is that currently all of those countries are trying to push through legislation that enables them to impose fines on emergent pro-free speech organizations like Rumble.
01:01:53.000and there's one in that country that's either Australia or New Zealand, I can't tell,
01:01:57.000because frankly they made their flags too similar.
01:01:59.000They all know that and it's time they all owned up to it as nations.
01:02:02.000Now with that kind of legislation being pushed through, subsequent to Snowden's revelations,
01:02:08.000with us understanding, or at least you and I discussing, what the role of these agencies are,
01:02:15.000do you feel that it seems like there's a concerted effort to control free speech,
01:02:19.000to control the narrative, to infiltrate big tech companies with deep state agencies,
01:02:24.000in order to essentially support existing narratives at a time where it's possible for independent media like us,
01:02:30.000and everyone, the people that are watching this live on our chat,
01:02:32.000and you can join us on our chat if you want to by clicking on the red button,
01:02:35.000to prevent us from communicating freely, not because of hate speech,
01:02:39.000Because we wouldn't put up with that here and we certainly wouldn't spread it.
01:02:42.000We believe that everyone is equal and has the right to express themselves however they want and we celebrate all forms of identity.
01:02:48.000But, because they don't want people criticising the establishment and talking about the very kind of things you and I are talking about now.
01:02:57.000So, for example, in the UK there was a law that was passed in 2016 called the Investor Powers Act.
01:03:04.000And that retrospectively legalized what had been illegal spying, endemic spying, by GCHQ and the NSA.
01:03:13.000So GCHQ is the UK spying system and the NSA is the US spying system, which is part of the Five Eyes, but that is the closest intelligence relationship ever.
01:03:25.000And the irony was that countries like Russia and China then passed laws after 2016 saying, well, if the UK can pass these laws to snoop on their citizens, why not?
01:04:22.000Well, actually, no, it's actually done to allow governments to censor what we can see or what we can access online.
01:04:29.000So this is completely antithetical to everything that the Internet was designed to be back in the 80s and 90s with the sort of ideologues.
01:04:37.000They just wanted free access to information, allowing free knowledge be spread around the world and that is what is being taken away with it from us at the moment, with what's going on technologically.
01:04:50.000And in the EU particularly, I mean I'm based in Brussels, I can see the EU Commission out of my window, what we're looking at at the moment is not just the European Digital Act, it's also looking at something called the EU ID card, which basically means that All our information, if you get it, because you have to have an ID card to live anywhere in the EU, means that they can have access to your taxes, they can have access to your health records, they can have access to anything they want about you personally.
01:05:20.000And we don't know what systems they're stored on, we don't know what systems they are controlled by, which corporations are controlling them, because lobbyists are big here, and we don't know how safe they're going to be.
01:05:31.000But that also means that they can access your bank accounts and shave money off your bank accounts and things if there's another economic crisis as in 2008.
01:06:08.000I'll be regularly pressing that button in case these things are lies.
01:06:11.000They were involved in the assassination of JFK, RFK at length, describing that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.
01:06:17.000Successfully supported coups in Iran, Guatemala, Congo, the Dominican Republic and South Vietnam, and the 2014 Ukrainian coup, interestingly, very current.
01:06:28.000At least two of the 9-11 hijackers were recruited into a joint CIA-Saudi intelligence operation, according to an Office of Military Commission's court filing.
01:06:43.000used the Patriot Act's business records provision to track all U.S.
01:06:46.000telephone calls, as revealed by Snowden's NSA leaks that we've just discussed.
01:06:49.000They were instrumental in perpetrating the Russiagate hoax and censoring the Hunter Biden New York Post story, which could be considered to be electoral fraud.
01:06:55.000Let us know what you think in the chat.
01:06:58.000In 2020, during the arrest of a militia group for plotting to kidnap Michigan's Governor Gretchen Whitmer, 12 out of 14 suspects were FBI informants.
01:07:06.000Essentially, they caused the crime, then solved it by saying, we caused this crime, so that's how we know that it was a crime.
01:07:13.000Which one do you think comes off as worse, between the CIA and FBI?
01:07:17.000And would you query any of the assertions made in that recent litany of damnation?
01:07:28.000I would say, though, that all intelligence agencies around the world get involved in dirty tricks.
01:07:33.000I mean, this is one of the reasons why I got involved in supporting my former partner, David Shailer, trying to expose the illegal Gaddafi plot assassination in 1996, which failed and killed innocent people and was illegal.
01:07:48.000And then, of course, he was legally tortured and assassinated in 2011 in the world's full glare of the media.
01:07:57.000So things shift in terms of the information that is available or the information that is seen to be good that the media puts out is the interesting shift in terms of the narrative drive and in the narrative control.
01:08:08.000But yeah, I think we all need to be aware that, you know, intelligence agencies will get up to naughties sometimes.
01:08:18.000The key thing about them is that If we want them to work effectively in a democracy, to protect us effectively in a democracy, they need to learn from their mistakes.
01:08:27.000They need to be as transparent as possible.
01:08:29.000There are certain things that do need to be kept secret, like ongoing operations, sense of operational techniques, agent names, that sort of thing.
01:08:35.000But I don't see why everything has to be a blanket ban, with national security as the issue, you know, the get-out-of-jail-free card.
01:08:44.000So in terms of a balance of proportionality, and in terms of protecting us all better, They need to be slightly more open.
01:08:54.000All these new laws you've just mentioned are dragging them back into greater secrecy rather than more transparency.
01:09:02.000And as aware citizens, we need to have as much information as we can, particularly on the Internet, because that's what they're trying to shut down at the moment.
01:09:11.000Danny, you make everything sound so smutty, dirty tricks and naughties.
01:10:12.000You need to go to Smutterholics, in my humble view.
01:10:16.000You can get Annie's book, The Privacy Mission.
01:10:19.000Even that's a quite saucy title, isn't it?
01:10:20.000There's sort of a bit of entendre around that, if you ask me, Mr Roy.
01:10:26.000Annie, is there anything else you want to say?
01:10:28.000We'll post a link to the privacy statement in the chat here.
01:10:32.000As you know, we admire you very much on this show and we're happy to see that you're on a list as short as a mouse's leg.
01:10:41.000What is it for that you've been shortlisted?
01:10:43.000It's for the Business Book of the Year and the award ceremonies this evening, actually, in the UK.
01:10:52.000So we shall see, but I'm up against a very Very famous group of authors, so I have no great hopes.
01:10:59.000But I did enjoy writing The Privacy Mission.
01:11:01.000It was a sort of culmination of years of research and years of speaking to hacktivists and to cybersecurity groups and all that sort of thing.
01:11:11.000And also, I had a lot of advice from a wonderful organisation I work with at the moment called the World Ethical Data Foundation, and we put on an event every year called the World Ethical Data Forum, which at some point I might try and drag you into.
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