Stay Free - Russel Brand - PROOF! Medical Knowledge Is Under Commercial Control with Dr Aseem Malhotra

00:00:00.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

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00:00:20.000 In the show, we're talking about the global free speech crackdown that's already underway.

00:00:24.000 Legislation's being passed across the world.

00:00:26.000 Joe Rogan's noticed that Canada is potentially coming for his content.

00:00:31.000 We'll be talking about that.

00:00:33.000 And Elon Musk is receiving peculiar threatening letters from gangster bureaucrats from the EU as a result of their new digital crackdown laws, essentially across the world.

00:00:43.000 Independent media is being pressed.

00:00:45.000 Now, many of you that are sort of, I would say, conspiracy theorist adjacent have noted that centralised authoritarianism will require censorship because as long as there's access to account and narrative, we can dispute what the legacy media are telling us.

00:01:00.000 And you know that the function of the legacy media is to amplify and normalise the objectives and agenda of the powerful.

00:01:07.000 We're going to be talking to Asim Malhotra later, Let me know in the chat if you've seen Malhotra on the show before.

00:01:14.000 If you have, press Y if you've never seen him before.

00:01:17.000 You're going to love him.

00:01:18.000 When we found him, he was little more than a plucky cardiologist.

00:01:22.000 Now he's appearing live with some of the great heroes of our show, like Vandana Shiva and Bobby Kennedy, talking about misinformation, disinformation and medical malpractice everywhere.

00:01:34.000 He has become one of the most outspoken voices around pandemic corruption and today we talk a little bit around some of the changes in reporting around myocarditis and pericarditis yet another one of those subjects that moved from you're a conspiracy theorist nutjob to Pfizer having to plainly admit it.

00:01:56.000 Now, one person who's likely to be subject to some pretty imperious and haughty judgment will be friend of the show, outspoken medic, medical doctor, campaigner, activist, and now filmmaker, Dr. Asim Malhotra.

00:02:14.000 Asim, I'm so happy to see you.

00:02:16.000 I'm even more happy to see you, mate.

00:02:18.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:02:20.000 I really wanted to get your perspective first of all on the medical knowledge is under commercial control.

00:02:30.000 I understand that's due to the way that fact checkers who are presented as objective are actually funded

00:02:38.000 and also I'd love to get your perspective on what you think about this new like

00:02:41.000 these various new censorship laws that are being passed around the world. But

00:02:44.000 go on Asim, please tell me what you think about the fact checkers because I

00:02:48.000 guess that intersects with censorship is ultimately about the control of

00:02:51.000 information what information is amplified what information is controlled. Absolutely.

00:02:56.000 So on the fact checker stuff, interestingly, Russell, I'm currently in the United States in Boston.

00:03:01.000 But I met someone in California recently at a social event who's actually quite senior in Meta.

00:03:07.000 And what they were telling me was essentially that the information that's coming out through Meta is carefully curated.

00:03:15.000 It is influenced by financial relationships that Meta has.

00:03:20.000 For example, not many people may be aware of this, but in 2021, Meta joined in partnership, putting in $20 million with drug company Merck to help control health information on their platform.

00:03:35.000 So what that means is, when we get these flags coming up, and I've had it on my Instagram, for example, saying that independent fact checkers have, you know, judged that this is breaching community guidelines and is, you know, you're spreading false information.

00:03:47.000 That line, independent fact checkers, is a complete and total lie.

00:03:52.000 And that has now been verified to me personally from someone senior in META.

00:03:55.000 So I think everybody needs to know that.

00:03:57.000 But coming back to what you said earlier about medical knowledge being under commercial control, Russell, That should be at the forefront of every doctor's minds, and it's not.

00:04:05.000 And this has been an issue even pre-pandemic.

00:04:07.000 And what do I mean by this?

00:04:09.000 Just to give you some sort of bigger picture figures here, you know, John Ioannidis is someone who I refer to as a Stephen Hawking-like figure of medicine.

00:04:18.000 He's the most cited medical researcher in the world.

00:04:20.000 He's a professor of medicine at Stanford.

00:04:23.000 And in 2006, he published a paper which was entitled, Why Most Published Research Findings are False.

00:04:29.000 And he said, the greater the financial interest in a given field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.

00:04:36.000 What does that mean?

00:04:37.000 In effect, doctors are making clinical decisions quite often, maybe most of the time when it comes to prescription drugs on biased and corrupted information, where drug companies control the information that doctors get.

00:04:50.000 The doctors believe the information they're getting has been independently vetted and verified, and that is completely false.

00:04:55.000 So one of the barriers to improving the system is actually raising awareness amongst doctors that they need to be skeptical about what they read in medical journals.

00:05:05.000 I interviewed recently, Dr. Fiona Godley, editor of the BMJ.

00:05:09.000 She was quite open about this.

00:05:11.000 Now, it's something that's kind of a fact and should be well known, but it isn't properly acknowledged.

00:05:15.000 We have to understand that medical journals are also businesses.

00:05:19.000 But many doctors rely on medical journals as being like the gospel truth when it comes to sort of medical science, for example.

00:05:25.000 So once people start to understand these system failures, then it We can help.

00:05:29.000 It can help us, one, create solutions moving forward so we have greater transparency, we have better information.

00:05:34.000 We then improve quality care for patients and we improve people's health.

00:05:37.000 It's really not rocket science.

00:05:39.000 I'm astonished.

00:05:40.000 And if it were rocket science, it would be biased rocket science, where the financial interests of whether it was a viable commercial mission would be what determined whether it was undertaken or not.

00:05:50.000 Now, I think we all understand that there are commercial imperatives behind most aspects of life, but there is something fundamental here hypocritical and anti-hypocratic in pharmaceutical industry

00:06:00.000 having the kind of incentives it does.

00:06:01.000 I'm astonished to hear that, that there's almost an equation that can be made. The higher the

00:06:06.000 financial incentive, the less likely the information is to be viable. And I can't

00:06:12.000 believe what you've just conveyed, that Merck and Meta combined in order to create a fact-checking

00:06:20.000 organisation that can't get even to the end of the sentence that it's a fact-check without

00:06:26.000 It's not an independent fact.

00:06:28.000 I mean, it's just extraordinary that that's getting normalised.

00:06:31.000 I feel like in a sense, Asim, where we find ourselves is the kind of discourse that you might find among conspiracy theorists is or like, you know, just people that are being condemned

00:06:43.000 online, people that are being shamed, is aside from, let's take hate speech out of the picture

00:06:48.000 because no one agrees with hate speech, anyway that's mental, we have laws for that, that craziness

00:06:53.000 should be dismissed, but when it comes to like people that are cynical about the kind of drugs

00:06:58.000 that they're taking, cynical about the incentives of pharmaceutical companies, they're...

00:07:03.000 That's closer to the reality than the sort of ordinary neoliberal perspective that we're invited to convey.

00:07:11.000 And if we, uh, to accept, excuse me, when we, and it also shows the importance of independent media, because independent media is the only way you're going to get to attack these kind of narratives.

00:07:21.000 And increasingly independent media is being shut down.

00:07:23.000 And I know that you've, uh, Suffered yourself as a result of that.

00:07:27.000 Now, when America spends a significant portion of its GDP on healthcare and has bad health outcomes, what does that tell us?

00:07:35.000 What's happening with that expenditure?

00:07:37.000 Is it comparable to the military-industrial complex, which seems to require war in order to sustain its model?

00:07:44.000 Does America need Americans to be unhealthy to be economically efficient for the industries that ultimately fund and govern much of American policy?

00:07:55.000 Great question, Russell.

00:07:57.000 I think the first thing I'd say is very interesting.

00:07:59.000 So yesterday, I interviewed John Abramson, a lecturer at Harvard.

00:08:02.000 He's been involved in more drug litigation cases than probably any doctor on the planet.

00:08:07.000 And he wrote a book called Sickening How Big Pharma Broke American Healthcare.

00:08:10.000 And what he said to me was quite interesting.

00:08:11.000 He said that America has really shown it's been a natural experiment At the extreme end of what happens when you commercialise medical knowledge.

00:08:22.000 And look at what's happened, as you said already.

00:08:24.000 It's the highest expenditure in wealthy countries when it comes to GDP on healthcare, with the worst health outcomes.

00:08:30.000 They're losing years off their life expectancy.

00:08:33.000 Even pre-pandemic, they've lost at least two years off their life expectancy by 2019.

00:08:36.000 They've got more people with chronic disease in any Western country.

00:08:41.000 So their health is getting worse.

00:08:43.000 And that really is a great example Of what happens when you allow drug companies, as you've alluded to already, big corporations whose only interest is profit, not to give you the best treatment, to control the information.

00:08:56.000 And what that means, exaggerating the safety and benefits of their drugs.

00:09:00.000 And for people to understand this in a bit more depth, One estimate from a very prestigious, eminent scientist called Dr. Peter Gerscher, co-founder of the Cochrane Collaboration, a few years ago, he said that the third most common cause of death globally after heart disease and cancer is prescribed medications.

00:09:23.000 What your doctor prescribes for you because of those very reasons.

00:09:26.000 So I think those absolutely are at the heart of the problem.

00:09:29.000 And I think that also comes back to this neoliberal economic model you mentioned.

00:09:34.000 I think the roots of where the acceleration of these problems have started actually is from this neoliberal economic model that was promulgated by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.

00:09:45.000 And Milton Friedman, as you know, Russell, the Nobel Prize winning economist who was a brainchild behind that, he in effect said that in the book The Corporation written by law professor Joel Buchan.

00:09:55.000 He said it is immoral He said it is immoral for big corporations to put people before profits.

00:10:02.000 Think about that for a second.

00:10:03.000 If you've got that kind of culture and mindset within business, it helps explain why we are where we are.

00:10:08.000 And of course, we've even seen that come out with, you know, being exposed probably to the greatest level we will ever see with the mandating of the COVID mRNA vaccines.

00:10:19.000 In a way you are one of those like we've been speaking for a while we've been speaking since early in the pandemic and in a way you you were a cardiologist as I understand your father was a cardiologist your conversion GP your your father was a GP, that your conversion has been a very

00:10:38.000 sort of personal and very public one and like any professional in the field of medicine or law

00:10:43.000 there's a kind of a requirement that you have some faith in these institutions and the body of

00:10:49.000 knowledge and the legitimacy of those bodies.

00:10:53.000 How is it?

00:10:54.000 What has been your process from like being someone that would be able to appear on legacy media and talk in alignment with let's call it the agenda of these institutions to someone that's now regarded as a radical outsider and often attacked and that there are attempts to shut you down and aspects of your work that we'll talk about in more detail.

00:11:16.000 What's changed?

00:11:17.000 Have you changed or has the world changed?

00:11:21.000 What's happened?

00:11:21.000 Because I've had, in a sense, a comparable journey from someone on the inside of the entertainment industry to someone that's an outsider and then a pariah.

00:11:30.000 So, like, can you tell me what exactly do you think's happened?

00:11:34.000 Yeah, Russell.

00:11:35.000 So my values haven't changed.

00:11:36.000 I mean, I'm very proud to be a doctor.

00:11:38.000 I was trained in the NHS.

00:11:40.000 I qualified from Edinburgh Medical School.

00:11:42.000 I'm obsessed with medical ethics.

00:11:44.000 I was brought up by two wonderful, loving parents who've sadly passed in the last few years, both doctors who instilled into me a value that my primary duty was service to the community, not for personal financial gain.

00:11:55.000 So this is who I am at my core anyway. But of course, I went

00:11:59.000 into a profession which I think I would like to think epitomizes those values. And in fact, you know, in the late 90s, after

00:12:06.000 the cash for questions scandal, an inquiry that was put forward

00:12:09.000 by John Major, led by Lord Nolan, advice or guidelines came

00:12:15.000 out for all those in public life should adhere to something

00:12:18.000 called the seven Nolan principles. So these are politicians, dare I say politicians, doctors, teachers,

00:12:23.000 the police, and those seven principles are always at the heart of everything I do selflessness, objectivity,

00:12:28.000 integrity, accountability, honesty, openness and So I've always adhered to that.

00:12:34.000 I have a very special interest in how to optimize people's mental, physical and social well-being.

00:12:40.000 That's what the definition of health really is.

00:12:42.000 It was actually defined originally by the World Health Organization in 1948.

00:12:46.000 That's before they got captured by the corporations.

00:12:51.000 And I also look at it from my own perspective as well, Russell.

00:12:54.000 We go through our own journeys.

00:12:55.000 I also, for myself, someone who wants to lead the best possible life I can lead, By optimizing those three facets of health.

00:13:04.000 I look inwardly as well.

00:13:05.000 And what I've seen happen over the last few years, especially during the pandemic, is that the world seems to have been more under the influence of these corporations.

00:13:16.000 So I think one of the things I've talked about to help people understand the determinants of health is a concept which is a derivation from the commercial determinants of health, which is defined as That's what the definition is in public health.

00:13:31.000 of health is basically strategies and approaches adopted by the private sector to promote products

00:13:38.000 and choices that are damaging or detrimental to health.

00:13:40.000 That's what the definition is in public health. I would go further and say actually what's

00:13:44.000 happening quite often is that these big powerful corporations, in order to make money, are actually behaving

00:13:49.000 like psychopaths. This comes from Robert Hare, a forensic psychologist. So if you think about what

00:13:54.000 does that mean? Callous and concern for the safety of others, incapacity to experience guilt,

00:13:59.000 deceitfulness, lying and conning others for profit. That's what we are now experiencing. But it's not

00:14:04.000 just about how it affects our health.

00:14:06.000 We have created a culture that has corporatized human beings as well, Russell.

00:14:10.000 So what does that mean when we look inwardly?

00:14:12.000 We also have to think about what does it mean to be human?

00:14:14.000 And you can't lead the good and happy life unless you act from a place of virtue.

00:14:17.000 I know you understand this very well.

00:14:19.000 And it's also acknowledging the fact that I think the line between good and evil runs through every human heart.

00:14:25.000 And in the right circumstances, as Jordan Peterson has very eloquently pointed out, potentially all of us could be that concentration camp guard, potentially in the right circumstances.

00:14:36.000 We have to acknowledge that we have the capacity to do great harm, but at the same time, we also have the capacity to do great good.

00:14:42.000 And I think once people reach inwardly and we have this discussion more openly, we can activate everybody to shift over from the dark side to the lighter side, to paraphrase something from maybe Star Wars.

00:14:55.000 We covered a lot of territory there.

00:14:56.000 It's interesting, we ended up at Star Wars, Asim, as we always must.

00:15:01.000 I'm going to drag Eric Schmidt back into this conversation, whose binary models were based on the convenience and power of having an othered group in order to create authority.

00:15:16.000 As long as you have an in-group and an out-group, you're able to mobilize and utilize hatred.

00:15:21.000 It's peculiar to observe this incremental encroachment on our values because of course many people and our viewers will be aware of this.

00:15:29.000 This is why it's important we have independent media and it's important that we have conversations like this.

00:15:33.000 You will know people that read stuff in the legacy media and believe it, that feel that really what happened in the pandemic period was people were trying their best, there were one or two slip-ups, but now increasingly it seems that what's being revealed is a degree of Institutional corruption?

00:15:52.000 Deception?

00:15:52.000 Here, just let me give you a few examples, Asim, that I know you'll be familiar with.

00:15:57.000 Matt Taibbi's recent revelations that Anthony Fauci potentially was deliberately biasing many reports that coming out of the CIA and numerous other agencies about the origin of the virus.

00:16:10.000 Pfizer's recent press release around myocarditis, particularly in Certain demographics.

00:16:17.000 If you imagine for a moment that the information that can be openly discussed now could be open, could have been openly discussed at the beginning of the pandemic, instead of censored, instead of controlled, we could have had entirely different outcomes.

00:16:30.000 It's seeming now increasingly ridiculous that Anthony Fauci was presented as the voice of objectivity, a kind of Willy Wonka of science, or by his own declaration, a kind of embodiment and epitomization of science.

00:16:43.000 I'm We've learned so much, things have changed so much, and yet so many people are on the other side of a line believing it's possible to trust legacy media, to trust these institutions, to grant more authoritarian powers of control to, whether it's the EU advancing censorship as we discussed in our item just now, or any government nation or unelected bodies, the proposed WHO treaty for future pandemics,

00:17:13.000 Is on the horizon right now.

00:17:14.000 Can you touch on a few of those ideas?

00:17:18.000 In a sense, snowballing, awakening, the accumulation now of a body of evidence that makes it simply impossible for us to blithely or blindly trust these institutions that are plainly lying to us.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, I think, you know, what's happened in the last few years, Russell, and what's continuing to happen is that people were gripped by a very strong psychological fear type phenomenon.

00:17:46.000 With the original COVID pandemic, you know, we all had those, I think, feelings, most of us certainly had those feelings of fear at the very beginning when we didn't know what we were dealing with.

00:17:55.000 And what happens when you're in a state of fear is two things happen.

00:17:59.000 One is it inhibits your ability to engage in critical thinking.

00:18:02.000 But also it meets populations and people more compliant.

00:18:08.000 And of course, that allows governments to exert their power in an even stronger way.

00:18:13.000 I think mistakes were made.

00:18:14.000 I think we alluded to this.

00:18:15.000 I don't think that conspiracies occasionally come true.

00:18:18.000 But I think this was really a massive cock up.

00:18:21.000 And it was exploited by a system that was already, I would say, anti democratic and a system, certainly when it comes to health, that was not looking after people's mental and social well being.

00:18:32.000 And now we're having to deal with the end result of it.

00:18:34.000 Having said that, Russell, you're somebody that I think is extremely articulate and very powerful with your words, not just in terms of the intellect behind what you say, but also the compassion that comes through.

00:18:52.000 I think that it only takes a few people to be dedicated to spreading the truth for it to emerge.

00:18:59.000 And we have lost to some degree that ability through the mainstream media to get these messages out.

00:19:04.000 And we're having to use alternative media.

00:19:07.000 But it's having a huge impact.

00:19:09.000 And we can see to some degree that impact from the fact that when you look at the issue around COVID boosters, for example, there's very, very low uptake now.

00:19:18.000 I mean, we're talking about single digit percentage figures here.

00:19:22.000 So I think that we just have to keep moving forward.

00:19:25.000 And I also take a philosophical view of all of this.

00:19:28.000 I met Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:19:30.000 at the end of last year, and I'm doing a talk with him at the end of this month in San Jose.

00:19:36.000 And he said something which resonated with me.

00:19:38.000 He said, when you speak the truth, you have to let go of the outcome.

00:19:43.000 But having said that, I think that we just have to keep moving forward, and I think this corporate tyrannical bubble will burst.

00:19:48.000 I think one day we'll wake up in the morning and think, bloody hell, we didn't expect that to happen so quickly, but it will happen.

00:19:53.000 We just have to keep moving forward.

00:19:55.000 To quote Martin Luther King, if you can't drive, you run.

00:19:57.000 If you can't run, you walk.

00:19:59.000 If you can't walk, you crawl.

00:20:00.000 Just keep moving forward.

00:20:01.000 Wow, nice.

00:20:03.000 I know that you're appearing at that Reclaiming the Food and Medicine conference with Bobby Kennedy and Vandana Shiva, two people that are former guests of our show, please God, future guests of the show, both, I would say, heroes of this movement.

00:20:22.000 Now, Bobby Kennedy, you know, he has some pretty powerful views on this show.

00:20:25.000 He spoke about the, you know, that in a sense, the vaccine program was a military one.

00:20:29.000 Vandana Shiva, like, you know, I've never met anyone who's so willing to go out on a limb when it comes to criticizing the globalist agenda, who go out there and literally say that Bill Gates's role is, you know, like she'll use words that I don't feel like a little bit easy to use to describe the agenda of Bill Gates.

00:20:47.000 How do you feel appearing on that platform and this kind of alliance that's

00:20:52.000 emerging, this kind of, could you call it a resistance movement, does that inspire the

00:20:57.000 kind of optimism that you alluded to in your last answer?

00:21:00.000 Yeah, absolutely Russell.

00:21:03.000 I feel privileged.

00:21:03.000 I feel privileged right now to be speaking to you.

00:21:05.000 I feel privileged to have a platform and a role to be able to disseminate, you know, my views on how we can improve people's health and well-being and democracy.

00:21:15.000 But of course, you know, I think these are massive giants in this movement to reclaim democracy.

00:21:21.000 Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:21:22.000 and of course, Vandana Shiva and what the conference is hopefully going to, you know, it's gonna be a five hour event and It's going to cover a lot of areas.

00:21:29.000 It's going to get to the root causes of the problems in a rational way.

00:21:32.000 It's going to empower people with what they can do to help improve their own health, but also to help them understand that the interaction with the people around them, the communities and policies, are also going to be beneficial for them.

00:21:46.000 We don't live in cocoons.

00:21:48.000 You can't live a healthy life while the world around you is burning.

00:21:51.000 And unfortunately, the rest of the world around is burning.

00:21:54.000 But I actually look at it also from a very strategic point of view.

00:21:56.000 There's an approach framework that was developed in Thailand called the Triangle that Moves the Mountain.

00:22:01.000 And there are three components that need to be strengthened.

00:22:04.000 So we move this mountain away from this corporate tyranny to something much brighter and better.

00:22:09.000 And that basically means creating the relevant knowledge or strengthening the knowledge, dissemination of a greater truth.

00:22:15.000 The social movement, so that information has to be disseminated to people on the ground.

00:22:20.000 That can be through mainstream media, it can be through alternative media, it can be through conversations with friends and family.

00:22:25.000 And last but not least, it needs political engagement, because ultimately what we're dealing with here, the reason we've got to this position, Russell, It's because of unjust, unethical and undemocratic laws that have allowed these big corporations to gain so much power.

00:22:40.000 And therefore, the politicians are the ones ultimately to have the power to change those laws.

00:22:45.000 So I see this event, in my view, this is perhaps the most important health event this year in the US, perhaps in the world, to be able to bring all that information together and articulate it in a way that resonates with people on the ground.

00:23:01.000 Excellent.

00:23:02.000 Tell me a bit about your new documentary First Do No Farm.

00:23:07.000 Nice pun.

00:23:08.000 How you've been promoting it on platforms like X and of course Rumble and that I understand Joe Rogan's support in it.

00:23:16.000 Can you tell me about the significance in independent media when it comes to promoting anti-establishment ideas?

00:23:22.000 I've been fond of saying lately that The role of the media is to amplify and normalize the message of the establishment.

00:23:30.000 A kind of simple example of the normalization would of course be the pandemic period.

00:23:34.000 They normalized the agenda of the establishment.

00:23:37.000 You could even take something like when Facebook or Meta launch a new product like those crazy little glasses that are going to give you an augmented reality experience.

00:23:45.000 They report on it like it's news.

00:23:47.000 Yes.

00:23:47.000 These glasses, they retail at $49.99.

00:23:50.000 They present it as if it's news when they're simply normalising a new product in just the same way that conventional commercials would work.

00:23:58.000 Can you tell me, what is the significance of truly independent figures, and please, may this independence remain, when it comes to promoting anti-establishment ideas?

00:24:08.000 How integral is it?

00:24:11.000 It's extremely important, Russell.

00:24:13.000 I would say I believe in the power of film and documentaries.

00:24:16.000 It's another platform to reach people's hearts and minds.

00:24:20.000 I co-produced a documentary film several years ago called The Big Fat Fix.

00:24:24.000 Many people may not have heard of it, but it had impact because it premiered in British Parliament.

00:24:30.000 It influenced sugar reduction policies.

00:24:32.000 I was a campaigner considered the lead campaigner behind the sugary drinks tax.

00:24:35.000 And that was a very useful It's a vehicle to get that information to policymakers, including people like Jeremy Hunt, Tom Watson, who's a deputy leader of the Labour Party.

00:24:45.000 Interestingly, by the way, at that time, Russell, and I still hope there's a chance that we get it into mainstream media, but we'll use whatever mechanism of getting out there we can, it was actually covered on BBC World News and the New York Times when that film was first released.

00:24:59.000 We crowdfunded it because we didn't want any commercial influence.

00:25:02.000 And we're doing the same thing with this one.

00:25:04.000 Currently, crowdfunding is still ongoing.

00:25:06.000 We're doing filming.

00:25:07.000 We're interviewing some brilliant people.

00:25:10.000 We're still about $350,000 short of target.

00:25:12.000 But hopefully, over the next few months, we will get there with various big donors coming in.

00:25:18.000 I spoke about it with Joe Rogan for the first time.

00:25:20.000 Joe said that he's going to promote it when it's out.

00:25:22.000 We're going to try and hit people all around the world.

00:25:25.000 I've got a network of politicians and people all over, whether it's Australia, whether it's the UK, whether it's the United States.

00:25:33.000 So for me, my first and primary focus is to produce a brilliant product that's very strong in its message, and then it's about hitting the influencers and hitting the mainstream.

00:25:44.000 Are you going to do The Voice?

00:25:48.000 Well, it's going to be either me or it's going to be my co-producer, Donal O'Neill, who's got a very nice, strong Northern Irish accent as well.

00:25:55.000 So I think it'll probably be both of us, but we'll see how that goes.

00:25:58.000 Be nice to have a combination.

00:25:59.000 Maybe you can do some of the on-camera stuff and then use that Northern Irish lilt to get some of the voiceover rocking along.

00:26:06.000 Do you feel that when you're crowdfunding for a project like this, that is by its very nature at odds with many of the Primary and determining interests in particular of American political life that you might find yourself at odds with the establishment.

00:26:24.000 Like when you're talking about that project where you could have a screening in Parliament and it's sort of anti-sugar, it's like you start to identify where the line might be.

00:26:32.000 That there are certain causes that can be promoted and discussed and of course it changes Over time, even perhaps the legislation that's been passed in the US recently, the anti Big Pharma bill, so called and so surmised by Joe Biden, when you break it down, only includes about six medicines.

00:26:53.000 It's not kicking in till 2026.

00:26:56.000 It's when you get into it, something that's presented as a big farmer bill likely had big farmers fingerprints all over it when it came to its creation.

00:27:07.000 Likewise, a documentary like your former one where you speak out against sugar and the

00:27:11.000 dangers of sugar, like a message that should be heard for anyone interested in heart disease

00:27:15.000 and cancer and diabetes and the impact of sugar on human health and the fact that it

00:27:19.000 would probably be regarded as a drug if it was discovered and popularised now. You feel

00:27:24.000 like there's a lot more scope to discuss that. Are you in a climate where Greyzone get a

00:27:30.000 lot of their content demonetised and their own crowdfunding shut down or the trucker

00:27:35.000 protests experienced their funding getting shut down and even the bank accounts of people

00:27:41.000 that donated to that fund were interfered with. Do you feel that there's a sort of line

00:27:46.000 that if you cross it, you ain't going to be having no cosy dinners with politicians?

00:27:51.000 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:27:53.000 Yeah, potentially, Russell, but it doesn't stop me from trying.

00:27:56.000 And I still believe in the power of conversations.

00:27:58.000 And I think most people, again, want to do good, hate injustice, and they want the truth.

00:28:09.000 I think that there is unfortunately an understandable tendency for things to get so polarized that people get very angry and think that people are deliberately trying to harm them.

00:28:18.000 I would go back to ancient wisdom of people like Socrates and the Buddha.

00:28:22.000 Socrates said, evil is rooted in ignorance.

00:28:24.000 And then Stephen Hawking said, well, what's worse, an ignorance, the illusion of knowledge.

00:28:28.000 So I think that we can, you know, it needs compassionate courage to have those conversations.

00:28:35.000 I still believe the power.

00:28:37.000 Interestingly, I won't name this person, but I met recently someone very senior in government when Boris Johnson was prime minister, who is now completely u-turned in their own mind, understanding the problems and the issues about the COVID vaccine and lockdowns, for example.

00:28:51.000 But on their own, they kind of feel almost powerless, even though they're a very big name person, but powerless to act on this.

00:28:59.000 So we have to collectively change hearts and minds.

00:29:03.000 And I think that the more people that become aware of what's really going on, I think we'll reach a tipping point where suddenly, people will feel more comfortable to be able to speak out when they realize that by being silent, Ultimately this becomes self-destructive for them and for people around them.

00:29:19.000 And that's really the message that we're trying to convey.

00:29:21.000 That's cool.

00:29:22.000 It's like you feel that there will be, in a sense, this is where we as individuals must take responsibility for our own conduct and outlook.

00:29:30.000 outlook, that if we can awaken to the point where we're open-hearted to people in positions

00:29:36.000 of power, it's very easy, for example, in my job and having had the experiences that

00:29:40.000 I've accrued since speaking out against the establishment in a very overt way, to start

00:29:45.000 to regard them as almost - and even the word 'them' is telling - regard them as almost

00:29:51.000 sort of like, if not evil, then utterly corrupted. It's difficult to sort of think of like, you

00:29:56.000 know, so as I sort of remember that Joe Biden lost a child in a car accident and he lost

00:30:02.000 his first wife, you know, and I've started to think, okay, these are human beings. It's

00:30:05.000 hard to hold together that level of humanity, but you can't really make anything from rage

00:30:11.000 and hatred, like, other than sort of...

00:30:14.000 We're contributing to a general fear of feeling of crisis.

00:30:17.000 So I think you're right.

00:30:19.000 We have to somehow hold all of this information, experience what we experience when we speak out in the manner that we do, and then somehow have an open heart.

00:30:29.000 So in a sense, you're saying that those seven principles, which you sort of, it sounds like have been inverted by many people in positions of institutional or corporate power, like in, you know, that psychopathic paradigm that you used.

00:30:41.000 We have to somehow, would you say, approach this from a spiritual perspective?

00:30:45.000 I know that both Vandana Shiva and Bobby see the world in those terms.

00:30:49.000 What about you?

00:30:50.000 100%.

00:30:51.000 I've had my own suffering in the last few years with losing both my parents prematurely, and I had to dig deep.

00:30:56.000 I actually found a lot of comfort and strength in Buddhist philosophy, for example.

00:31:00.000 On that, Russell, people know about the concept of breaking bad, but we don't talk about breaking good so often.

00:31:07.000 In fact, one of the most amazing stories for me historically is the story of King Ashoka of India, who was a despotic king.

00:31:14.000 who would torture people who were dissidents against his political ideology, created wars, killed many, many people.

00:31:25.000 And 200 years after the death of Buddha, he came across Buddha's teachings, and it suddenly transformed him.

00:31:31.000 He had an epiphany moment.

00:31:33.000 He stopped capital punishment.

00:31:34.000 He stopped animal sacrifice.

00:31:36.000 He sent people out on missions around the world, outside India, to spread Buddhism outside India. 0.56

00:31:42.000 And in fact, you can credit the spread of Buddhism outside India, probably because of Ashoka.

00:31:46.000 So for me, that is an amazing, powerful story about the power of human beings to transform.

00:31:52.000 Oh that's beautiful that what could unfurl from apparent evil is beauty.

00:31:58.000 That transformation, redemption, salvation, awakening and enlightenment are possible for all of us and we shouldn't foreclose on that possibility even for those that we regard as opponents.

00:32:08.000 What a powerful message Asim.

00:32:10.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:32:11.000 Thanks for your great work.

00:32:12.000 Congratulations on your success.

00:32:14.000 Certainly we'll be supporting your film.

00:32:16.000 We'll post the crowdfunding for that here till it's inevitably shut down by the system.

00:32:22.000 No, don't become cynical, don't become cynical.

00:32:25.000 And I would suggest that you go see Dr. Hossein Malhotra in San Jose on October the 28th.

00:32:31.000 That's an incredible bill.

00:32:32.000 And of course, follow the great doctor on X if you can.

00:32:36.000 Thanks, Doc, for joining us again.

00:32:38.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:32:40.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:41.000 Well done, mate.

00:32:41.000 Thanks a lot.

00:32:42.000 Take it easy.

00:32:43.000 Cheers now.

00:32:44.000 What a conversation that was.

00:32:45.000 What a joy it is to speak to people that are as committed and as devoted and as open hearted and as open minded as Dr. Asim Malhotra.

00:32:52.000 Let me know in the chat if you enjoyed that conversation.

00:32:56.000 And of course, go check out those various projects of his, the movie and the talk with Vandana and Bobby Kennedy.

00:33:03.000 Hey, This show might be drawing to a conclusion, but there is so much revolution left in me.

00:33:11.000 There is so much desire for awakening.

00:33:14.000 And I know you, watching us on Rumble right now, feel it as well.

00:33:17.000 I know that you are beginning to look beyond the divisions.

00:33:21.000 I know that you are beginning to see beyond the inculcated hatred that's raining down upon us to a new, potential, unified, yet decentralized movement where we will change the world

00:33:34.000 together and tomorrow we're going to be talking to Ted Waters who

00:33:37.000 He's got some inside information on 9/11. I mean, this is what it says here

00:33:42.000 It says 9/11 and what really happened. I mean that sounds like a recipe to get us all slung in jail

00:33:47.000 Let's hope that Ted Walker conduct is it Ted Walker?

00:33:50.000 Is that his name conducts this conversation with some Ted Waters?

00:33:54.000 Thank you, Ted Walters.

00:33:55.000 We're going to be talking to him about 9-11 and what really happened, and I imagine we'll be gently tiptoeing through that to ensure that we're not only not de-platformed, but de-not-imprisoned.

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00:34:14.000 On Locals, we are moving towards solutions, whether that's creating new communities, discussing ideas that are going to change the world, chatting together, getting your intel on what you believe is the recipe for a revolutionary new community.

00:34:30.000 We've got to get past the stage of conflict and into the realm of solution.

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00:35:00.000 You see what's happening around us.

00:35:01.000 We must awaken together.

00:35:03.000 We must form these new communities.

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00:35:07.000 Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - October 19, 2023

PROOF! Medical Knowledge Is Under Commercial Control with Dr Aseem Malhotra

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