Stay Free - Russel Brand - PROOF They’re Spying On You! - #069 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 Outro Music.

00:00:18.000 In this video, we're going to...

00:00:19.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:31.000 Hello there you Awakening Wonders, thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:35.000 Today we've got an exclusive interview with Silky Carlo from Big Brother Watch.

00:00:40.000 If the Twitter files reveal that the American deep state is spying on you, her revelations, exclusive revelations, show us that this is a global problem, that this is a globalist affair.

00:00:53.000 In our presentation, here's the news.

00:00:55.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:00:56.000 We're going to be talking about NIH's gain-of-function research that is, by the way, ongoing and is explicitly, in their own words, shadowy and vague.

00:01:05.000 It might not be their own words.

00:01:06.000 They're being investigated, I think, by C-3PO.

00:01:09.000 That's right.

00:01:10.000 He's involved in this.

00:01:11.000 We can't show all of it on YouTube, so that's why it's so important that you click over and watch us on Rumble.

00:01:16.000 For 10 minutes we'll be across all of these platforms.

00:01:20.000 Here are the revelations that we were talking about with Silky Carlo.

00:01:23.000 Here is an interview that Big Brother Watch conducted with a whistleblower about the British government spying on their population, creating arguments around misinformation, while actually crushing dissent.

00:01:36.000 Have a look.

00:01:37.000 It became very much a kind of monitoring.

00:01:40.000 I find it, do you think that they, these voices, why don't they just voice it over with someone else doing it?

00:01:46.000 Yeah, I think they should.

00:01:48.000 That voice, I don't, I find it hard to take that voice seriously.

00:01:51.000 I do as well.

00:01:52.000 I don't even think it's that bad of a problem already.

00:01:55.000 No, exactly, it's comical isn't it in a way?

00:01:57.000 Also, why's he wearing that red hoodie?

00:02:00.000 Also, who's conducting the interview?

00:02:00.000 I don't know.

00:02:02.000 I don't know that either.

00:02:03.000 Okay, the whole thing is, I mean, in a sense this causes more problems than it solves.

00:02:08.000 But let's see, that ultimately this is a revelation that's an accompaniment to the Twitter files.

00:02:12.000 The deep state, whether it's American or other nations, in this case the UK,

00:02:17.000 are spying on their populations and are manipulating the narrative around the pandemic.

00:02:23.000 There's certain information that is being revealed and some information that's being held back and this again relates to what we're going to be talking about earlier.

00:02:30.000 We've already heard that Bill Gates has changed his tune.

00:02:32.000 Just last week we wouldn't have been able to show you this clip.

00:02:34.000 In our presentation later we're going deep on people talking about vaccine efficacy.

00:02:39.000 I mean look at Bill Gates's words and compare that to the The atmosphere and tone at the beginning of the pandemic.

00:02:44.000 Have a look at Bill Gates admitting the nature of the efficacy.

00:02:48.000 This is just a clip of Bill Gates now that I'm frank to hear.

00:02:51.000 Just a clip of Bill Gates.

00:02:53.000 We also need to fix the three problems of vaccines.

00:02:56.000 The current vaccines are not infection blocking, they're not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration.

00:03:05.000 That's just him talking at a think tank in Australia.

00:03:10.000 If you can imagine that level of clarity and transparency being conveyed at the beginning of the pandemic.

00:03:16.000 Like, do you remember Rachel Maddow saying, you know, Get the vaccine, you're not going to get this thing.

00:03:22.000 Joe Biden's saying that.

00:03:23.000 This is Bill Gates, one of the most ardent advocates and funders for vaccines, just openly saying that they don't stop infection, they're not broad enough, they're not good against vaccinations and they're not durable.

00:03:35.000 How can you justify the amount of expenditure, the amount of conversation that we're all mandating?

00:03:40.000 These are all sort of inquiries that I have to be cautious around, given the nature of the platform we're currently broadcasting on, but you believe, believe you me, in ten minutes time, oh my god, I'll be aggressively pursuing some of those lines.

00:03:50.000 We'd certainly think, hope, you'd hope, anyway, you'd hope, it's probably what happened, that the mainstream media would play that clip, and at the end of that clip go, we're really sorry about that, we're sorry about the way in which we behave towards people who chose not to do it.

00:04:04.000 We're really sorry that we condemned unvaccinated people as if they were some new underclass.

00:04:10.000 The way that we created celebratory content on all of our shows, even entertainment shows, pushing this as a kind of ubiquitous solution and housing Big Pharma at the center of a presentation that celebrated their heroism without any investigation into the profiting or indeed, perhaps more worryingly, efficacy of this product.

00:04:30.000 Whilst we took a lot of their money.

00:04:32.000 Whilst we took a lot of their money.

00:04:36.000 These unredacted NIH emails are interesting, Gareth.

00:04:41.000 During the pandemic, at the time when we were talking about the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, When we were told, absolutely and resolutely, that it did not come from a laboratory, emails between Fauci and a bunch of other elite organisations show that they were concerned about precisely that.

00:05:01.000 So on one hand, they're preventing us gaining access to information that they themselves were discussing, and they're censoring and editing the narrative in apparently public platforms like Twitter.

00:05:14.000 Is that an extraordinary situation?

00:05:15.000 Those were pretty hefty organisations as well.

00:05:18.000 They included the WHO, Jeremy Furrow, top scientist at WHO, and Chris Elias from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

00:05:26.000 So these were, you know, big organisations involved heavily in the narrative around the pandemic, having early email conversations with Dr Fauci about the origins of this and about three proposed ideas about where it came from, but only one narrative had been created.

00:05:44.000 It also says that the Chinese Center for Disease Control were involved in those conversations, so it's truly a global conversation, let's politely call it.

00:05:53.000 It says here that the influential academic paper evolved from its early stages, seriously entertaining three rival hypotheses.

00:05:59.000 So at the beginning, it wasn't all wet market, wet market, all we talk about is wet market.

00:06:04.000 There was the bioengineered theory, the lab leak theory, and the natural origins theory.

00:06:08.000 Now obviously the natural origins theory is the only one that doesn't have any human culpability or perhaps more importantly any corporate culpability.

00:06:15.000 So perhaps it doesn't need a great deal of conjecture as to why that was the favoured narrative that was put forward.

00:06:23.000 We'll be looking at that in more depth in our presentation.

00:06:25.000 What else do you want to say?

00:06:26.000 I just think also it's probably fairly handy that we all had a bit of an idea about how we felt about those wet markets in the first place.

00:06:32.000 Dirty, disgusting wet markets. 0.72

00:06:34.000 Filthy, bloody things. 1.00

00:06:35.000 That fish with the eyes on top of its head. 0.74

00:06:37.000 Those nasty little armadillo things without a shell in a bamboo cage. 0.88

00:06:41.000 It must have come from there.

00:06:42.000 So they kind of, I suppose, slightly used our internal... Prejudices.

00:06:45.000 Right.

00:06:46.000 And they used it against us.

00:06:47.000 Our prejudices and just our natural, in my case, sort of revulsion about wet markets.

00:06:53.000 That pandemic came from the cafe in Star Wars.

00:07:00.000 But actually, C3PO is heavily involved in this entire story.

00:07:05.000 P3CO is the organisation that's been charged with investigating this, is that right?

00:07:11.000 That is the Enhanced Pandemic Potential Pathogens Committee.

00:07:15.000 They've got a committee that examine potential pathogens that could cause pandemics and it's called P3CO.

00:07:22.000 That's right, yeah.

00:07:23.000 There's going to be some really good jokes about that in the video and that's why I've dressed as Princess Leia for this conversation.

00:07:29.000 Shall we have a look at Here's The News?

00:07:30.000 No, Here's The FN News?

00:07:31.000 Absolutely.

00:07:32.000 After this we're going to be talking to Silky Carlo from Big Brother Watch who reveals that the Twitter files revelations are merely a complement to a much bigger story.

00:07:41.000 Governments around the world have not only been spying on their citizens but manipulating and censoring the narrative.

00:07:48.000 We're going to have to come off YouTube now because there's content in this video that we're simply unable to show because of WHO guidelines that are still used on Google platform YouTube.

00:07:57.000 But click over and watch us on Rumble exclusively to see, well, if not the truth and a different perspective on this story.

00:08:05.000 Here's the news.

00:08:06.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:08:08.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News.

00:08:10.000 Here's the news. 1.00

00:08:11.000 No, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:08:13.000 Bill Gates, remember him. 0.99

00:08:15.000 From windows, from the paperclip, from the farming, from the medications, has been spitting truths about vaccines that we're astonished we're even allowed to show on this platform.

00:08:25.000 And he predicts that the next pandemic could be man-made, something to look forward to, and so different from the last one.

00:08:35.000 Here's something that's going to astonish you in the light of recent events.

00:08:40.000 Bill Gates talking about vaccines.

00:08:42.000 The current vaccines are not infection blocking.

00:08:45.000 They're not blocking infections.

00:08:46.000 No, they don't do that.

00:08:48.000 Okay, but I thought I remember.

00:08:49.000 No, you don't remember anything.

00:08:50.000 But are they broad?

00:08:51.000 Uh, they're not broad.

00:08:53.000 Oh, they're not broad.

00:08:54.000 Okay.

00:08:55.000 Anything else?

00:08:56.000 So when new variants come up, you lose protection.

00:08:58.000 Oh, so if there are any variants, you lose protection.

00:09:02.000 Hmm.

00:09:02.000 I suppose they must at least work for a long time.

00:09:04.000 And they have very short duration.

00:09:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:09:07.000 So, what do they do?

00:09:08.000 Am I allowed to ask that?

00:09:10.000 If vaccines are as ineffective as Bill Gates there, not me, Bill Gates seems to think they are, then you have to wonder why he was so keen to protect those patents.

00:09:19.000 Hey, we don't want you imitating our ineffective, not broad, don't last very long vaccines.

00:09:24.000 Make your own vaccines!

00:09:26.000 Poo! 0.58

00:09:26.000 Maybe the vaccines for this pandemic didn't turn out to be as effective as we were initially told. 0.58

00:09:32.000 Am I allowed to say that?

00:09:33.000 But don't worry, because there's always a new opportunity for people that are hustling on the front line of globalist big business, and the next pandemic is just around the corner.

00:09:42.000 At least that's what the global elite is praying for, whether it's at Davos or that other global entrepreneur and titan, Bill Gates.

00:09:49.000 Bill Gates has warned Australia to be ready for the next pandemic, which could be man-made and far more brutal.

00:09:55.000 Bloody hell, that's not a very cheery thing to say to the people of Australia.

00:09:59.000 Haven't they dealt with enough lately?

00:10:00.000 Mr Gates told the Lowy Institute think tank in Sydney on Monday that political leaders needed to set aside their differences and work together to prepare for the next virus.

00:10:08.000 It's nearly exactly our message, except his one leads to pharmaceutical solutions that require centralised power, and ours lead to democratic solutions that lead to people power.

00:10:18.000 He called for greater global cooperation using the COVID-19 pandemic as an example of how countries could improve on their response if they work together.

00:10:27.000 That is a cry for centralised authority.

00:10:29.000 They can improve their response if they work together.

00:10:32.000 I know on Sesame Street that would sound like a fantastic sentiment.

00:10:36.000 Oh, what should we do?

00:10:37.000 Firstly, get Elmo vaccinated.

00:10:38.000 And then what should we do?

00:10:39.000 Well, we'll just all work together, Mr. Snuffleupagus, Big Bird.

00:10:43.000 What's being described there and presented as sort of harmonious and phatic kumbayami lord style this whole has is centralized authority.

00:10:51.000 And unelected organizations like the Gates Foundation and the WHO and the WEF being able to come together in little think tanks and come up with ideas and suggestions and solutions which, by the way, never disrupt the interests of the powerful, by the way, never inhibit the ability of big tech to surveil, big government to regulate, big pharma to profit.

00:11:10.000 No ideas, even when they're talking about climate, flying there in private jets.

00:11:13.000 Never any solutions like, why don't you stop flying around in private jets, if indeed that's what you care about.

00:11:18.000 What their agenda is, is how do we keep control, continue to profit, and never interrupt the trajectory of our domination?

00:11:26.000 You'll never hear a suggestion coming out of there like, look, we've done a lot of reflection in the old think tank, and I'm not going to have a private jet anymore.

00:11:33.000 I can't justify it.

00:11:34.000 I can't go around the world talking like this and still have a private jet.

00:11:37.000 It's wrong.

00:11:37.000 Or I'm going to get rid of the private jet.

00:11:39.000 No, can I not shut up and keep the private jet?

00:11:42.000 Yeah, but no one's going to trust you.

00:11:43.000 Mr Gates praised Australia's policies in helping to keep infection rates low before vaccines were rolled out.

00:11:49.000 Do you live in Australia?

00:11:50.000 What was your experience like?

00:11:51.000 How did you enjoy the internment camps?

00:11:54.000 What's it like being in Australia?

00:11:55.000 Are you proud?

00:11:55.000 Are you happy with your country's response?

00:11:57.000 What about you, people in Canada?

00:11:58.000 Other liberal democracies that pride yourselves on being lands of freedom and tolerance and openness and inclusivity built After post-colonialism, with new and inclusive dreams, how do you feel about this?

00:12:10.000 Isn't it pretty obvious that the new information age means it's difficult to control information, the new ability to communicate means it's impossible to stop radicalism, and therefore centralised authority needs to create ways in which to legitimise its ongoing power.

00:12:26.000 Isn't that what's happening?

00:12:27.000 Do you think that's what's happening?

00:12:28.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:12:29.000 He also said US policy, and by extension Australia's, which is weird, towards China.

00:12:33.000 Wow, one unilateral policy there between the US and Australia, even though Australia has a different historical relationship with China, different geographical relationship with China.

00:12:41.000 Why would there be one centralised agenda towards China?

00:12:45.000 Why would there be?

00:12:45.000 Needed a more conciliatory and cooperative political approach in tackling major problems.

00:12:50.000 I see China's rise as a huge win for the world.

00:12:52.000 Do you see China's lockdown response as a huge win for the world? 0.98

00:12:56.000 Bags of dead cats.

00:12:58.000 Tower blocks of people sobbing.

00:13:00.000 Ah, kumbaya, me lord.

00:13:02.000 But the big headline from Bill Gates' think tank hoedown was that the next pandemic could be man-made.

00:13:08.000 Man-made pandemic?

00:13:09.000 Are we allowed to discuss that here?

00:13:10.000 What about the last pandemic and its origins?

00:13:12.000 Has that narrative altered?

00:13:14.000 Is there more evidence?

00:13:15.000 Are we allowed to have a conversation about that?

00:13:16.000 According to a new report in The Intercept, Dr. Anthony Fauci conspired with influential scientists around the world, including at the World Health Organization, to quell concerns that SARS-CoV-2 may have leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, newly unredacted email.

00:13:32.000 The newly released emails raised questions about Dr Fauci's motives in dispelling public scrutiny over the potential that the novel coronavirus had escaped from the Wuhan laboratory.

00:13:42.000 Fauci had misled Congress over the extent that the National Institute of Health had funded the Wuhan lab as a subcontractor of EcoHealth Alliance.

00:13:49.000 The Wuhan laboratory was also funded by the Pentagon, contract award show.

00:13:54.000 The unredacted NIH email show how public questioning that SARS-CoV-2 may have escaped from a laboratory was a concern for the group's scientists, lest it become a conspiracy theory.

00:14:05.000 Oh, you don't want that coming out! 0.72

00:14:06.000 In case it becomes a conspiracy theory.

00:14:08.000 But also, more of a concern that it could become a conspiracy theory is that there's all sorts of integral, actual, demonstrable relationships between Interests that ought be declared explicit and made public, because otherwise, not only is that lacking in transparency, it is a conspiracy.

00:14:26.000 Bill Gates wants more cooperation between these organizations.

00:14:29.000 How much more cooperation do I want to move into one house and get married to each other? 0.99

00:14:33.000 They seem to be cooperating just fine.

00:14:35.000 Emails were exchanged among Dr. Anthony Fauci, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases chief, Sir Jeremy Farrar, a top scientist at the World Health Organization, Christian Anderson, a leading immunologist and microbiologist with Scripps Research, Professor Edward Holmes, a biologist at the University of Sydney, Dr. Francis Collins, former director of the National Institute of Health, Chris Elias of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, George Fugao of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, Victor J. Zhao of Duke University, and various other influential scientists and philanthropists around the world.

00:15:09.000 It's an interesting collusion between state-funded organizations, unelected globalist entities like the WHO, and private foundations that are often presented as primarily philanthropic rather than political organizations that are about asserting control or looking to exert influence.

00:15:29.000 That list in itself, unless it led to transparent communication, I think is cause for scrutiny and concern.

00:15:36.000 Remember, in the early days of the pandemic, there was a clear attempt to control the narrative.

00:15:40.000 All of this inquiry about the possible Wuhan lab origin was completely suppressed.

00:15:44.000 Many of you will have seen Jon Stewart's joke on TV saying it's kind of ludicrous that it's not being discussed when there's an institute of virology that bears the same name as the place of origin.

00:15:53.000 It's very peculiar.

00:15:54.000 And to know that these people, people that operate in the upper echelons, this is what people mean by the elites.

00:16:00.000 There are powerful institutions, some governmental, some private and corporate, some media-oriented, and conspiracy theorists believe that they communicate with one another in order to establish an agenda and push particular stories and narratives in order to prevent democratic control being meaningful.

00:16:15.000 Let me know if you think that any red flags will be raised around that little list.

00:16:19.000 The academic paper, The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2, published on March 17, 2021, had definitively propped up the rival theory to the lab leak theory that SARS-CoV-2 had natural origins.

00:16:31.000 But the final form of the paper was far afield of its initial stages, as shown by the NIH emails.

00:16:37.000 The influential academic paper evolved from its early stages, seriously entertaining three rival hypotheses, the bioengineer theory, the lab leak theory, and the natural origins theory, which seems to me, by the way, how science ought be conducted.

00:16:50.000 And if you genuinely were interested in creating a clear and open relationship with the public, which I would assume is necessary during a time of pandemic, which requires cooperation, it's It seems to me that they were confronted with the idea that cooperation was required and chose a different path.

00:17:06.000 Management of the narrative.

00:17:08.000 Management of the information.

00:17:09.000 And then have the gall to complain about the rise of conspiracy theories when continually information keeps coming to the surface to suggest that much of what was previously adjudged as conspiracy theory territory was actually an alternative truth and in many cases now a more valid one.

00:17:23.000 To one that attempted to close the book on public inquiry into the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 had escaped from the Wuhan laboratory.

00:17:30.000 Now, if you have a bias towards a particular outcome, and you want to prevent people reaching a particular conclusion, in this case, the idea that CoV-2 had escaped from the Wuhan laboratory, when it was a serious theory under contention, even under their own analysis, the next line of inquiry that you have to undertake is, why?

00:17:46.000 Why did they not want that line of inquiry to be investigated?

00:17:50.000 Well, let's just have some speculation and conjecture.

00:17:52.000 Because it would diminish public trust in the kind of organisations that funded that research, especially to learn that the people that funded that research are now being charged with the response to the pandemic.

00:18:02.000 It would make us further query how much we could trust Big Pharma.

00:18:06.000 It might, in fact, make us want to hold Big Pharma to account when it comes to profitability.

00:18:11.000 It would damage further our trust in public institutions.

00:18:14.000 Well, now it seems that all of these ideas were at least legitimate cause for speculation, if not entirely verifiable.

00:18:21.000 The evolution was due in no small part to the feedback from Dr. Andy Fauci, Dr. Francis Collins, and Sir Jeremy Farrah, the unredacted email show.

00:18:30.000 Evolution, like it was just like, oh, natural selection!

00:18:32.000 It's not natural selection if the head of the NIH is going, don't put that bit in, exclude that.

00:18:37.000 That's much more God.

00:18:38.000 That's intelligent design, not evolution.

00:18:40.000 Follow the science!

00:18:41.000 The academic paper upon publication was soon weaponised by the mainstream press to attack critics of the Wuhan laboratory as conspiracy theorists, but behind the scenes the authors themselves were taking the possibility that the virus escaped from a laboratory more seriously.

00:18:55.000 So even they themselves knew it was a legitimate possibility, while we, you, were being told, no, no, you're a conspiracy theorist.

00:19:03.000 Right, do some more research on that because it actually could have been that.

00:19:06.000 That was the reality.

00:19:07.000 I'm not even saying it came from that lab.

00:19:09.000 I'm saying that they thought that it might come from that lab.

00:19:12.000 I'm not even saying those vaccines are not effective.

00:19:14.000 I'm saying Bill Gates is saying that those vaccines are not effective.

00:19:18.000 I'm not even saying that the next pandemic might be man-made.

00:19:20.000 Bill Gates is saying that the next pandemic might be man-made.

00:19:23.000 This, along with information that's being leaked, which at this point we can't include in these videos until it's more verified and we're more confident in it, Suggests that even some of the more extreme ideas that are discussed have some truth and authority to them.

00:19:38.000 So clearly gain-of-function is somewhat controversial and clearly even according to organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, WHO, NIH, all of those organizations listed is potentially contentious and I would say potentially dangerous.

00:19:50.000 It's good to know that the NIH aren't carrying on with gain-of-function research and if they are, I want to be damn sure that it's not vague or secretive.

00:19:58.000 You want it out there and explicit and clear.

00:20:00.000 The National Institute of Health, formerly headed up by Anthony Fauci, should improve how it regulates lab-generated viruses that could pose a national security risk, according to its biosecurity advisors.

00:20:10.000 Sometimes I think that, actually, we have conversation at a particular level, but really the conversation should be happening, like, way down deeper.

00:20:16.000 And this is an example of that.

00:20:18.000 Like, stop doing that research!

00:20:19.000 Like, why are we not having that conversation?

00:20:21.000 The National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity highlighted wide gaps in the oversight of controversial projects that create enhanced pandemic potential pathogens in preliminary recommendations to the NIH.

00:20:32.000 That means it might cause a pandemic.

00:20:34.000 Privately funded research that risks causing a pandemic occurs largely in the shadows, the group found.

00:20:39.000 Okay, we gotta do some research.

00:20:41.000 We're dealing with tiny, weeny little microbial things and tiny little tweezers and stuff like that.

00:20:45.000 It is dangerous.

00:20:46.000 I've been in the bat caves extracting stuff from bats.

00:20:48.000 It's dangerous.

00:20:49.000 So, let's get into the laboratory.

00:20:51.000 Now, where have you built that laboratory?

00:20:53.000 Here!

00:20:54.000 In the shadows!

00:20:55.000 Oh, well, that's great, Cozy.

00:20:57.000 You know, as we all know, in shadows, those are the perfect conditions for working with tiny little microbial substances.

00:21:02.000 Meanwhile, NIH-funded research with pandemic risks is falling through the cracks of the agency's vague internal processes.

00:21:09.000 How come they so confident when they were saying, like, it can't have come from a lab?

00:21:13.000 You ain't got any cracks in your vague model.

00:21:15.000 It's full of cracks.

00:21:16.000 Could it have gone down any of the cracks?

00:21:18.000 No.

00:21:18.000 Could it?

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:19.000 Don't have cracks!

00:21:20.000 On paper, NIH-funded projects that could pose a pandemic risk are subject to an extra layer of regulatory review by the Enhanced Pandemic Potential Pathogens Committee, or P3CO.

00:21:30.000 Master Luke, don't put that research by the cracks. 0.59

00:21:33.000 Shut up, 3PO. 0.98

00:21:35.000 No, R2. 0.99

00:21:36.000 I don't think we should tell the public what we're doing.

00:21:38.000 It's none of their business.

00:21:40.000 I don't think that I am in this for the money.

00:21:43.000 Don't be so rude about Pfizer.

00:21:44.000 What do you mean it's none of Bill Gates' business?

00:21:49.000 Listen, I preferred the Ewoks. 1.00

00:21:51.000 In practice, the NIH refers few research projects for closer scrutiny, the NSABB says, echoing the concerns of non-partisan experts.

00:22:00.000 So experts that ain't got any skin in the game say, listen, you've got to be very, very careful with this type of research.

00:22:05.000 And they say that you don't have to.

00:22:07.000 Opinion is divided on the subject.

00:22:09.000 Impartial experts say there should be scrutiny.

00:22:11.000 Paid for and bought up experts say do what you want.

00:22:14.000 In rare instances where projects are referred for review by the P3CO, the deliberation occurs in secret.

00:22:20.000 Oh good.

00:22:21.000 The composition of the P3CO is unknown to anyone outside of the process except for the NSABB and a few members of Congress.

00:22:28.000 Master Luke, you don't think us keeping this all secret will lead people to think that we're somehow profiteering, introducing regulation, not being honest about the risks and gain of function, the possibility that the last pandemic could come from a lab, that this research could lead to more pandemics coming?

00:22:43.000 Oh, that's a very good point, R2.

00:22:45.000 So there you have it.

00:22:46.000 Whether it's Bill Gates or the NIH, new information is coming to the forefront that appears to verify and validate some of the most extreme conspiracy theories of just a couple of years ago.

00:22:59.000 This doesn't mean that we should all be marching around saying, I'm right, I'm right, thumping our chests and fist bumping and fist pumping.

00:23:05.000 It simply means that we must stay alert and stay awake.

00:23:08.000 Extend a hand of friendship.

00:23:10.000 Make sure you've watched it first, though maybe that don't matter either, to people that you formally disagreed with.

00:23:15.000 Be willing to open your heart, but do demand truth and demand to be treated like an adult, which ultimately means we have to behave like adults.

00:23:23.000 We have to be responsible, awake, transparent and clear.

00:23:27.000 Let us demonstrate to them how we want to be governed, how we want to be led.

00:23:31.000 Ultimately, that we should be governed and led by ourselves.

00:23:34.000 But that's just what I think.

00:23:35.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:23:36.000 I'll be reading those comments in just a second.

00:23:38.000 Thanks for choosing Fox News.

00:23:40.000 Here's the news. 1.00

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00:23:43.000 Keep letting us know what you think in the comments and the chat 0.99

00:23:47.000 and thank you for your kind words and compliments.

00:23:50.000 I'm joined now by friend of the show Silky Carlo, director of Big Brother Watch, who's here to talk about these revelations that demonstrate that the kind of things we've learned from the Twitter files recently are part of a much bigger and indeed global problem.

00:24:04.000 Silky, thanks for coming on the show with us.

00:24:06.000 Thank you for having me.

00:24:07.000 What has been revealed about the nature of the British government's editorialising of the narrative around the pandemic and the degree to which they're prepared to intercept and control public communication around initially this subject?

00:24:23.000 What we found through a long-term investigation is that the government has set up a number of secretive units that claim to counter disinformation and after struggling to get information about what these units are actually doing, what we found is that they are also monitoring and recording Basically dissenting opinions, people criticising the government, and this impacts MPs, journalists, academics and experts, campaigners, who are ending up in central government files with notes about things that they've said where they've criticised government policies.

00:24:59.000 This was particularly happening during the pandemic, but the indication is from the documents that we've got is that they've been looking at other topics, but it was absolutely rife during the pandemic.

00:25:08.000 On this show we've consistently said that the emerging terms, misinformation and disinformation, which are presented of course as a means to regulate data, ensuring that negative, conspiratorial, whack job, woo woo, QAnon information doesn't come to dominate the public sphere, is a way in which the public narrative can be curated. It

00:25:30.000 is, in essence, as you have demonstrated, a means for shutting down dissent, controlling dissenters,

00:25:37.000 smearing them when necessary to ensure that only one narrative is available. Furthermore, we've

00:25:43.000 regarded the pandemic, whilst to a degree as a unique phenomenon, as more revelatory than anomalous. It

00:25:52.000 reveals the way that power operates.

00:25:56.000 So whilst at the moment you're focused on the pandemic and how these organisations that claim to be about misinformation are in fact about shutting down dissent are Particularly culpable with regards to the pandemic.

00:26:09.000 It's going to be applicable elsewhere.

00:26:11.000 This shows you how they operate.

00:26:13.000 What do you think are the most interesting aspects of the revelation?

00:26:17.000 Who in particular has been affected and what should our global audience be most concerned about?

00:26:23.000 Well, I think the big picture, as you say, is that what we found definitively is that the words misinformation and disinformation are being used as blank checks, really, by the government to extend power over speech and over information and what people can see and what people can share, what they can hear.

00:26:42.000 Which is a concern, and as you say, yes that happened during the pandemic, but the staff and the resources are now being applied to other things.

00:26:52.000 So the information environment is more controlled.

00:26:54.000 In terms of specifically what we've found they've done, to give you an example, David Davis, the MP who is a well-known civil libertarian, So he's sort of like a Republican, if this was American politics, Conservative for UK audiences, quite a significant political figure, ran for leadership like 10 years ago.

00:27:15.000 Any SAS or something cool like that? 0.94

00:27:17.000 Boys like that aspect of Dave Davis.

00:27:19.000 So him, what about him then?

00:27:20.000 So he criticised the policy of vaccine passports, mandatory vaccine passports, which lots of MPs did.

00:27:27.000 It was the biggest rebellion in Parliament since the rebellion on the Iraq war.

00:27:31.000 Wow.

00:27:33.000 And yet his name and some of his media comments and social media posts about the issue are found in these counter misinformation files.

00:27:43.000 Nothing that he said wasn't Accurate, and wasn't true.

00:27:47.000 And separately, we actually had a video that we put on our Big Brother Watches YouTube channel of David Davis giving a speech about vaccine passports removed.

00:27:58.000 Of course we kicked up a fuss about it and it was reinstated, but it now makes us think, you know, we know there are censors in government, we know there are censors on the social media companies, less so on Rumble, So what is the connection between the two?

00:28:13.000 And ultimately that's what these units are doing.

00:28:15.000 They're not just keeping these records for fun.

00:28:18.000 Firstly, they're doing it because they want to craft their own messaging and target their own messaging towards things that are unflattering and to basically be able to counter some of the criticism they're getting.

00:28:32.000 But the other thing is to flag stuff to social media companies for them to take down.

00:28:38.000 And we've even got ministers saying in Parliament that that's what these units are doing.

00:28:43.000 They say daily we tell the social media companies what to take down and we are helping them to find misinformation.

00:28:50.000 But until now, everyone thought, everyone just created in their heads because of this vacuum of information, it must be the coordinated Russian disinformation, it must be this, it must be that.

00:29:01.000 No, it's the politicians you're electing, it's the experts in your universities, it's the campaigners who are trying to protect your human rights.

00:29:08.000 These are the people that are ending up in government files.

00:29:11.000 So they're using ideas around Russian disinformation and manipulation of the public space to further facilitate censorship.

00:29:21.000 It interests me The political figures that one would once have assumed were part of the establishment, certainly an elected politician, is subject to censorship.

00:29:32.000 This shows you that there is, firstly it demonstrates, one of the things we've been talking about on this show, that the terms left and right are becoming somewhat redundant because the idea of personal individual freedom should be a political absolute, whether you're on the left or the right or wherever you exist.

00:29:49.000 It also shows you that there appears to be an agenda Certainly people are being censored, information is being controlled presumably in pursuit of an objective that is so particular and bespoke that even presumed members of the government are outside of it.

00:30:04.000 We've seen sort of an MP censored now, that dude the other week that asked a question about vaccines.

00:30:10.000 So that makes me query the nature of democracy, our understanding of democracy.

00:30:15.000 Whose democracy is it?

00:30:16.000 Who is pulling the strings?

00:30:17.000 Where is the power coming from?

00:30:19.000 Well, can I counter one of the things that you said, that there's not a distinction between left and right?

00:30:25.000 I think there is an important distinction between left and right.

00:30:28.000 Big Brother Watch is non-partisan, but I did see some right-wing narratives come into what would typically be left-wing campaigns during the pandemic.

00:30:39.000 My concern is that some extreme points of views that you might associate with the right

00:30:46.000 are being sold into the left.

00:30:48.000 So why doesn't the left care about censorship anymore?

00:30:51.000 Censorship is not even a modern right-wing quality.

00:30:56.000 This is like 19th century earlier kind of stuff.

00:31:00.000 But now it seems that the left is quite, in fact is often seeking the government to do

00:31:06.000 more and more censorship of inappropriate information and so on.

00:31:10.000 That's my concern.

00:31:11.000 The liberal establishment advocating for authoritarianism has been one of the defining themes of the last few years.

00:31:18.000 Vaccine mandates being pushed for, censorship as you've just mentioned.

00:31:22.000 So it makes me feel that the principles at the heart of that movement are in need of rigorous investigation.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 One of the people you just you just mentioned the Iraq war I mean Tony Blair was just at Davos talking about worldwide mandated vaccine passports so that kind of shows where the left have come to in terms of you know vaccine passports and freedom of speech.

00:31:43.000 The common thread I think is authoritarianism and authoritarianism has been sold into um the the the the certainly the left establishment and I because you know so one of the if we're looking at the pandemic The people who are really affected, everyone talks about being locked up at home.

00:32:01.000 A lot of people weren't locked up at home.

00:32:03.000 A lot of people were working.

00:32:04.000 Nurses, teachers, you know, the binmen, the postmen, a lot of people were still working.

00:32:10.000 And who was advocating for them?

00:32:11.000 You know, I think there's a lot of the left that was left adrift during the pandemic.

00:32:17.000 And unfortunately, because of The some of the institutions of the left being enamored with this with the promise of authoritarianism as saving lives and all of this kind of thing.

00:32:28.000 A lot of people were then funneled towards more right wing groups.

00:32:33.000 So, for example, I'm aware that there was a right wing workers union that was trying to scoop up some of the nurses around vaccine mandates. 1.00

00:32:43.000 Many of those nurses are migrant nurses that actually that right-wing union believes don't have a right to be here. 1.00

00:32:48.000 Do you see what I mean?

00:32:50.000 There is a distinction between right and left but the authoritarianism has seeped into both sides and that's why I think you do need a non-partisan group like Big Brother Watch that and you know voices like yours that without fear or favor will criticize in a non-partisan way that authoritarianism.

00:33:06.000 In a sense, Suki, what I'm saying is that centralised power has become about authoritarianism and only uses the tropes that used to be associated with the left as an aesthetic to distract from the fact that their true agenda is precisely the authoritarianism.

00:33:19.000 And Gareth's point about Tony Blair ultimately being a globalist emergent in the era of Clinton, which is precisely the point where both, to a degree, the Democrat Party and certainly the Labour Party in this country Dissolved their traditional relationship with both the union movement, but I think even in a sort of a more diffuse way, the ideological connection to what I would call ordinary working people and became essentially elitist parties.

00:33:45.000 We're seriously comfortable with people becoming fabulously wealthy.

00:33:48.000 We are funded in the same way.

00:33:49.000 That's sort of like part of my major concern.

00:33:51.000 So this whistleblower Silky, I was about to say, who is it?

00:33:55.000 That's the one thing you can't tell us.

00:33:57.000 But should we have a look at this bit of footage together and tell us what the process is of getting a bit of information like this obviously while protecting the source.

00:34:05.000 How did this, how did you get this interview and everything that you can tell us that isn't sensitive or dangerous?

00:34:12.000 Who is it?

00:34:13.000 No, not who is it.

00:34:14.000 How did you get this interview?

00:34:15.000 How did you get in touch with Whistleblower?

00:34:18.000 And how come they know this stuff?

00:34:21.000 They work there?

00:34:23.000 The Whistleblower, yes, was part of the 77th Brigade of the British Army, which is an elite information ops, non-lethal, psychological warfare kind of unit within the army.

00:34:38.000 That claims, as you would hope, to only do operations overseas.

00:34:43.000 And what the whistleblower told us is that actually they were doing general searches of social media that without doubt meant that they were monitoring and then flagging up central government Brits, people on their own soil.

00:34:58.000 In terms of how we came to meet this whistleblower, it's pure synchronicity actually.

00:35:06.000 Universe works in mysterious ways.

00:35:07.000 We were doing this investigation about other units within government and didn't tell anyone and the whistleblower came to us at the same time.

00:35:16.000 Should we have a look at some of this interview?

00:35:20.000 It became very much a kind of monitoring sentiment.

00:35:23.000 I did that the voice should sound like that.

00:35:27.000 We were so worried because her voice is a biometric. 1.00

00:35:30.000 What does that mean?

00:35:31.000 You can identify people?

00:35:31.000 Yeah, so we were just so worried about it's actually an actor's voice modified.

00:35:38.000 It's not even their voice modified.

00:35:40.000 I think you've gone too far there.

00:35:44.000 We couldn't, well, I'm not letting anything happen to him.

00:35:48.000 No, that's an amazing thing that they've even found a way to bypass anything that you would do to their own voice, that now technology can find a way through that even.

00:35:57.000 Ah, so it's got to be an actor's voice and then disguise the actor.

00:36:03.000 He's a member of our staff, which is why we changed it.

00:36:06.000 They couldn't use the actor in the end for fear of privacy issues, so they used his dog.

00:36:10.000 My real complaint is that you've denied a proper actor, like myself, who's an equity card holder and a member of SAG, real work.

00:36:15.000 We can't afford you, I'm sorry.

00:36:17.000 I would have done that just for the experience of the role, but I would not wear that red hooding.

00:36:21.000 As you can see, I dress elegantly.

00:36:24.000 The British public and how they perceive the Conservative administration doing a Covid-19 response.

00:36:32.000 It was just all logging in as a guest to Twitter and doing like what we would call a sift.

00:36:39.000 Why is he wearing that red hoodie?

00:36:40.000 Is that even their red hoodie?

00:36:43.000 Is Russell getting too bogged down in the aesthetics of this?

00:36:46.000 The real story here!

00:36:49.000 Who is that person?

00:36:50.000 And what are they wearing?

00:36:52.000 I know, I shouldn't really care about those.

00:36:54.000 I've got sidetracked into the wrong things.

00:36:55.000 A sift. So just inputting a search term, whether it be COVID-19, ventilators, Tory lies, whatever.

00:37:03.000 Whatever the search term was, you'd run the search term and you'd look at the top tweets.

00:37:08.000 The government in this country are also pressuring Twitter or using tweets.

00:37:15.000 So what happens after that?

00:37:17.000 Once they've got the information, like these are popular tweets, what are they doing then?

00:37:20.000 It's a really good question.

00:37:21.000 We don't know.

00:37:22.000 There's so much that we don't know.

00:37:23.000 We've done endless freedom of information requests, parliamentary questions.

00:37:27.000 You know, as it stands, this unit denied it was even doing this kind of work.

00:37:31.000 So, you know, I think this will go on.

00:37:35.000 These are the questions that they have to answer.

00:37:36.000 Why did they want to have records of this stuff?

00:37:39.000 In the context of what we know as a result of the Twitter file revelations, having someone in essentially a special forces position reveal that this kind of investigation and process is taking place is further evidence that governments around the world are collaborating presumably with big tech and are attempting to control the narrative.

00:37:57.000 Around the pandemic and that in itself is a demonstration that there's a kind of presumed parentalism between the governing and the governed.

00:38:05.000 That it's not a sort of service organisation.

00:38:08.000 What can we do for you?

00:38:09.000 How can we help you during this pandemic?

00:38:10.000 That they are interested in exerting control and management of power.

00:38:14.000 Eerily similar to post 9-11 when we were told that, you know, the US, I guess, army in their case, or secret services, were told that they were using the abilities and technology they had to spy on people abroad, but they were actually using it to spy on their own populations.

00:38:28.000 It sounds like that's exactly what you're saying.

00:38:30.000 That's exactly what happened.

00:38:31.000 In fact, we brought a legal challenge after the Snowden revelations about when government said that they were doing overseas interception of basically all electronic communications.

00:38:42.000 What they meant was that they were tapping cables that got everything.

00:38:46.000 And so the fact that, you know, the whole domestic population was being surveilled was just like collateral.

00:38:52.000 And it's the same here from, you know, what the whistleblower is telling us is that just, you know, English language communications were being monitored.

00:39:00.000 And without a doubt, that will have included British people.

00:39:05.000 Then the records are being sent up to central government.

00:39:08.000 And we know that they have a trusted flagger status.

00:39:12.000 So, absolutely what they're most likely doing with these records.

00:39:16.000 In fact, we know They've said on record all the time that they are flagging this stuff to the social media companies.

00:39:21.000 So we don't know what they flagged, but part of their function with these reports is to go to Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and say, you might want to have a look at this.

00:39:31.000 You know, not we're telling you to take it down, but the kind of like mafia style, like you might want to think about this stuff that's on your platform and do something about it.

00:39:42.000 One of the things that the Twitter files demonstrated is that there was an ideological convergence of interests around, for example, the Hunter Biden story that meant that it wasn't even entirely necessary to instruct in a Uh, authoritative way that the information had to be removed because there was a, broadly speaking, an ideological alliance and one of the guests we had on the show, I think it was Michael Schellenberger, suggested that journalists are taken to sort of briefings where they're told, oh, you might want to watch out for Russian disinformation.

00:40:14.000 And so, you know, they might do stories, I don't know, about people's laptops so that when this information appears, they're already primed.

00:40:21.000 And I suppose what this suggests is, More broadly, to have a sort of a macro look at it for a moment, is that the government offering, the idea that the government there is there to protect you, rather than to control you, is challenged by these kind of revelations.

00:40:39.000 That's what I continually get from it, whether it's, as you say, in the aftermath of the Iraq war, in order to protect you, we must do this.

00:40:46.000 And then when you have the lens that, oh, I see what's happening, They need to be in control of us.

00:40:51.000 We are the enemy.

00:40:53.000 I know it sounds sort of somewhat grandiose and hyperbolic, but sometimes I think it's necessary to frame things in that way so that people recognize that what's happening is not some sort of anemic, drab, bureaucratic narrative.

00:41:04.000 We're talking about tyranny.

00:41:05.000 We're talking about our ability to freely communicate.

00:41:08.000 We're talking about democracy being a theatrical affair.

00:41:12.000 Rather than the legitimate execution of the will of the people.

00:41:15.000 And all of these things direct me to the need for radical, systemic change.

00:41:20.000 And I know that you're at the end of this, where it requires, I'm assuming, really laborious processes of requesting freedom of information.

00:41:29.000 when we spoke to Open the Books, is it, Gal, in the US, you can see that this is like a

00:41:33.000 kind of a legal, loyally, difficult, intrepid, intransigent process that requires devotion.

00:41:42.000 And all of us have got little roles to play, and I feel that when we're dealing with information,

00:41:46.000 what we're trying to do is alert people to deception, alert people to the true nature

00:41:50.000 of power, encourage people to look for alliances when it comes to those traditional categories

00:41:56.000 of left and right, traditional, progressive, because we are being confronted with, as this

00:42:01.000 story demonstrates, Silky, a sort of almost unparalleled capacity to exert power due to

00:42:07.000 the nature of technology and the willingness of governments to abuse it.

00:42:11.000 I'll just jump in because I think around that you were saying that a lot of this came through around the pandemic and obviously a lot of the Twitter files are being exposed at the moment about coming through the pandemic and obviously it's a very polarised time and the subject was very polarised but when you say Silky that these departments are being kept in place now and for the future They're going to get used to all sorts of things, and a prime example at the moment is the Ukraine war, or future wars, a war with China.

00:42:36.000 And now you're getting to the point where you can eliminate dissent around those, around people pointing out ways in which money is spent, whether that's helping Ukraine or militarizing Ukraine or whatever it is.

00:42:47.000 You're getting to a point, I think there was a report recently around the Twitter files that the government in the US was also white labelling, I think is the phrase, certain foreign activity of theirs that they wanted to promote.

00:43:01.000 We're doing these things in these countries and to, again, You know, eliminate any kind of dissent around them.

00:43:07.000 So it's not just about the framing around the kind of cause that people care about now.

00:43:12.000 Oh, pandemic, I'm pro-vaccine, or I'm anti-vaccine, whatever.

00:43:16.000 This is set in place now, and this is set in place for the future, and all these other situations.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, we already have an example in the report of a Labour MP, Bel Rubiro-Adi, who was, one of these units had recorded that she had signed a petition against the further eastward expansion of NATO.

00:43:38.000 So clearly, they were taking an interest.

00:43:42.000 Some of these units exist specifically to take an interest in foreign affairs.

00:43:48.000 But yeah, I mean, this is the kind of stuff that happens in the 80s with the whole Reds Under the Bed fear and the

00:43:56.000 intelligence agencies were keeping files on members of parliament. This is bigger because it's

00:44:01.000 not the intelligence agencies, it's a government policy unit that sets up secretive cells

00:44:07.000 within those units that are answerable to no one and they're not just spying on MPs,

00:44:13.000 they're spying on academics, members of the public, campaigners.

00:44:18.000 Was they spying on you because you went campaigners?

00:44:21.000 Yeah, yeah, I had some pages and pages of stuff and nothing, I'm pleased to say, absolutely nothing that was recorded about me was inaccurate.

00:44:32.000 There was no misinformation in there.

00:44:33.000 So in a sense it was completely illegitimate intrusion by the government in a manner that is not explicit or democratically sanctioned.

00:44:42.000 And no doubt you'll be on there.

00:44:43.000 I wasn't jealous Silky!

00:44:47.000 It was a bit.

00:44:49.000 No, but I think you are.

00:44:50.000 They're not spying on me.

00:44:52.000 I want a tax rebate if they're not spying on me.

00:44:56.000 Some of the stuff that they were interested in, you know, I think they're interested in anyone with an audience, anyone who was criticizing government policies around this time.

00:45:05.000 You know, even on my tweets, you know, they're looking at how many people it reached, you can see how many thousand likes, interactions, all this kind of stuff.

00:45:13.000 Also, Gareth, when you said it's a contentious subject, a contentious subject in terms of the pandemic, that there are different opinions, but the contentiousness in fact is part of the framing, that's part of what was created.

00:45:28.000 Never have been.

00:45:29.000 It will always have been.

00:45:30.000 This is a medical situation that we appear to be dealing with.

00:45:33.000 It seems that we might be able to get a vaccine.

00:45:36.000 Hopefully it'll be effective.

00:45:37.000 These are the people that most benefit.

00:45:39.000 We don't know.

00:45:40.000 Even, like, there's become this now accepted hysteria on our show on Friday with Martin Goury.

00:45:46.000 He talked about how...

00:45:47.000 He's broad perspective, Maunguri, former CIA agent who dealt with public-facing information.

00:45:52.000 He's fantastic.

00:45:52.000 He's not a CIA agent.

00:45:53.000 I don't know the right word anyway.

00:45:54.000 He's very particular about it.

00:45:55.000 But ultimately, he studied information.

00:45:57.000 And he said that establishment power has never caught up with the ability to communicate information and to organize and communicate.

00:46:05.000 They've never caught up.

00:46:06.000 He said that in 2001, as much information was conveyed in...

00:46:10.000 In that one year as in the previous all human history in one year and the second year doubled that so that he said that when you look at it on a graph it looks like a tidal wave and it's causing a kind of tectonic shift so like or in a sense it feels to me that what are I'm being careful how I say this but almost there's a sense that situations are welcomed if not engineered that Legitimise authoritarianism because in a new landscape there is a bigger requirement for authority because people can communicate, counter-narratives can appear.

00:46:41.000 Anything any of us say, opposing views, can just spring up in the chat.

00:46:45.000 Immediately, let us know in the chat what you think about that.

00:46:47.000 And can I offer you this drink?

00:46:48.000 It's not a Plorodac placement.

00:46:49.000 I'm fine, thank you very much.

00:46:50.000 I just throw this away, I don't even like it.

00:46:53.000 You know, I think one thing that I sort of hope comes from all of this is that maybe we shouldn't be careful about what we say.

00:47:00.000 I mean, obviously, if you've got a massive platform, then you probably need to be more careful than the average person, but individuals should not be too careful about what they say.

00:47:08.000 I think we've entered an era where Everyone fills up with their social media platforms.

00:47:12.000 They're kind of like their own PR manager and they have to be really careful and think about future employers and this, that and the other.

00:47:17.000 And actually, in a free society and in a democracy, and especially if we're all ultimately trying to find truths and make things better, you have to accommodate error.

00:47:30.000 You have to get things wrong.

00:47:31.000 You have to look in every corner and you have to explore all kinds of thoughts and you have to make mistakes.

00:47:38.000 Yes.

00:47:39.000 It used to just be accepted conversation and almost what's been lost in it is the idea of a kind of universal morality.

00:47:46.000 Ideas like kindness and tolerance and a willingness to listen to opposing views.

00:47:51.000 Those have been kind of lost in these new polemics.

00:47:55.000 where it's like you're this side or you're this side.

00:47:58.000 And there are new monoliths around information that post-Trump, everything is Trump in a sense.

00:48:05.000 Like the coronavirus is a divisive subject.

00:48:08.000 The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is divisive.

00:48:12.000 I.e. you can't query the narrative and NATO's role in exacerbating the conflagration without that being conflated

00:48:21.000 with, oh, so you don't care that Ukrainian people are being 0.90

00:48:25.000 killed, you're a pro-Russian. 0.88

00:48:27.000 Things didn't used to be like that, and it seems that there's a necessity to generate that kind of tension in order to facilitate censorship and authoritarianism, not because of a true morality.

00:48:38.000 Because if there was a true principle at play, then the position wouldn't shift in the way that it has In the way that earlier in the conversation we talked about censorship, Silky, that would have once been assumed to have been a liberal issue.

00:48:49.000 If you care about freedom, of course you care about freedom of speech.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, that central, some of these core principles that define democracy, it's the foundation of democracy.

00:48:59.000 Have suddenly been recast as a threat to democracy and a threat to society free speech is often talked about as though it's this kind of dangerous animal that has to be controlled and it's really it's really strange so I think we should know part of the pushback obviously we're going to do a We've got a big campaign launching, we're going to want people to sign the petition, go to bigbrotherwatch.org.uk to take part, thank you.

00:49:24.000 But also, we should all just speak more freely and be tolerant of people, other people who we I disagree with.

00:49:33.000 I think particularly during Covid, the idea that there was a set right and wrong was obviously nonsense because everything was new and all these different views about, even if it's about efficacy of vaccines and vaccine passports and lockdown and modelling, all the things that they were monitoring and seeking to control, as we found in our report, There was no agreed on answers to these questions, but people weren't allowed to explore, and even members of parliament, the people that represent us in our democracy, and even the experts.

00:50:08.000 One of the people who's in these reports is Carl Hennigan, Professor Carl Hennigan.

00:50:13.000 He's from Oxford University, he's from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, at Oxford University.

00:50:18.000 You know, putting someone like that in a disinformation report.

00:50:21.000 He's the person that should be speaking to the government about what the hell to do.

00:50:25.000 But they were trying to, you know, they decided... His whole job is evidence.

00:50:29.000 I've got evidence for this.

00:50:30.000 He's the sender of it.

00:50:31.000 I see evidence, yeah.

00:50:33.000 I'm in the middle of that.

00:50:34.000 And they shut him down.

00:50:35.000 At Oxford.

00:50:36.000 That's out of order, isn't it?

00:50:37.000 Yeah.

00:50:38.000 They've gone too far.

00:50:38.000 And he did also have articles marked as false on Facebook.

00:50:44.000 That were not false, I bet.

00:50:46.000 It was a study that he'd written, a peer-reviewed study.

00:50:50.000 His Twitter account was suspended for a while.

00:50:53.000 We forget how mental things got.

00:50:57.000 But as you say, the architecture is still there and it needs to go.

00:51:02.000 These units should be shut down.

00:51:03.000 Absolutely no mistake about that.

00:51:06.000 I'm guessing the taxpayers are paying for them as well.

00:51:09.000 Millions.

00:51:10.000 Not just for the units, but also for the contracts that they're giving to AI companies, some of which have links to government ministers, to outsource some of this work.

00:51:19.000 We're paying for these organisations.

00:51:20.000 We've probably even paid for that red hoodie.

00:51:23.000 Even in our presentation today, we showed how top level organisations from around the world, whether it's the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the NIH, the Chinese Centre for Disease Control, We're all discussing the possibility of free origins for the coronavirus, bioengineering, lab leak, natural origin.

00:51:42.000 The fact that they settled on natural origin, censored alternative theories, we know that that was one of the ideas that was subject to censorship, even though there was no legitimacy to that censorship and it was something that should have been discussed.

00:51:54.000 That is authoritarianism, that is parentalism, it's undue censorship and I think that your story really advances It demonstrates that this has been taking place because we're being gaslit on a global scale now.

00:52:05.000 It's like it wasn't happening.

00:52:06.000 And it shows that this is precisely the sort of thing that has to be stopped.

00:52:09.000 So anything that you can give us where we can help you, we'll certainly do.

00:52:14.000 I'll try my best, Gareth.

00:52:15.000 I hope you're on board with this.

00:52:16.000 Ah yes, yep.

00:52:17.000 Good.

00:52:18.000 I've got a few questions.

00:52:21.000 Firstly, see this bit here where it says, you know, do not roll out COVID vaccine passports because we did a presentation with Tony Blair continuing to advocate for digital passports.

00:52:30.000 Tony Blair, former Prime Minister at WEF.

00:52:33.000 What's this thing about vaccines being mandatory and all this sort of stuff?

00:52:36.000 Yeah, this is my brilliant colleague, Mark, from Big Brother Watch.

00:52:41.000 He shared the official petition that was on the government website during Covid against vaccine passports.

00:52:49.000 So official petitions on the government website have to be fact checked and vetted before they can be posted.

00:52:56.000 This one at this time was live for a long time.

00:52:58.000 It had over a quarter of a million signatures.

00:53:00.000 And simply for sharing the link, he was included in one of these misinformation reports.

00:53:06.000 That can't be misinformation.

00:53:07.000 It's not.

00:53:08.000 Yeah, it was a campaign, ultimately successful campaign as well.

00:53:11.000 That's good.

00:53:12.000 Do you imagine that every government in the world, Silky, is engaged in operations of this nature, or significant governments at least?

00:53:19.000 I mean, I think if we have such blasé attitudes towards important terms like misinformation and disinformation, Then it's inevitable because all governments will always try to extend their power.

00:53:32.000 To have power over what people can say and what people can read and hear is the most extraordinary power imaginable.

00:53:38.000 That's why we called our report Ministry of Truth.

00:53:41.000 It is like the Orwellian idea of the Ministry of Truth.

00:53:45.000 It's information control on a mass scale.

00:53:48.000 So yeah, I think we've seen from the Twitter files that the US government was involved in similar things.

00:53:55.000 We have to have a proper conversation about misinformation.

00:53:58.000 Misinformation at the moment is basically this vague, nebulous, wrong information category that in the hands of government will mean information that's not flattering to them, information that's not convenient to them, information that opposes their policies.

00:54:11.000 The problem that I have with these type of revelations is they help to kind of bolster my more pathological sense that you just cannot trust authority and that your starting point is oppose, assume they're lying, start there.

00:54:27.000 And that in itself comes with problems.

00:54:30.000 Certainly it means I get a lot of parking tickets.

00:54:33.000 Are there any other revelations to come?

00:54:35.000 Like for example, I've sometimes had concerns around the use of the NHS branding around the tracking app because the NHS National Health Service in this country is sort of a beautiful surface of free health care built on the backs of the war dead and obviously on our taxis to this day.

00:54:53.000 I wonder if there are any revelations to come around the curating, controlling, sharing of private biometric data?

00:55:03.000 Well, in terms of around these units, there's got to be more revelations to come because there are so many unanswered questions.

00:55:10.000 Parliament needs to open inquiries into what they were doing.

00:55:14.000 Like you say, it's all publicly funded.

00:55:17.000 At the moment, there is no oversight.

00:55:19.000 They have a blank check.

00:55:21.000 This is embarrassing stuff.

00:55:22.000 The army shouldn't be using military power against British citizens on Twitter.

00:55:26.000 So there's a lot of extraordinary stuff in here.

00:55:30.000 So there has to be more revelations.

00:55:32.000 There has to be more that comes out.

00:55:34.000 And I think more generally about how did we fall into this this awful period of totalitarianism and what does the hangover

00:55:44.000 feel like?

00:55:44.000 You know, we need to actually have a reckoning with that.

00:55:47.000 The Covid inquiry of course is going on in the UK this year, but unfortunately they don't seem to be answering,

00:55:52.000 they don't seem to be even asking these questions.

00:55:55.000 You know, so I don't know yet where, where, you know, formally this kind of, this kind of stuff

00:56:03.000 is going to come to light.

00:56:05.000 But I think it's important that the public, certainly millions and millions of people, have switched on during this process.

00:56:14.000 It's been a massive backlash.

00:56:15.000 People are thinking differently about power.

00:56:17.000 You shouldn't trust power.

00:56:19.000 You shouldn't trust anyone who hasn't earned their trust.

00:56:21.000 Was trust earned during this period?

00:56:25.000 Not at all.

00:56:25.000 People were lied to, people were controlled and mistakes were made.

00:56:30.000 Obviously people had good intentions in government but you can't earn, you can't own that trust unless you've really earned it.

00:56:38.000 So they've got to come clean about all of this.

00:56:40.000 If people are going to trust that what happens under the misinformation and disinformation banner is actually benefiting democracy rather than harming it, which is what I think we've seen here.

00:56:50.000 You were right all along.

00:56:52.000 You knew something was going on.

00:56:54.000 You trusted your intuition and we have been, hopefully of some service, in helping to verify your intuitive understanding of the corruption at the heart of centralised authoritarian governments the world over and the nature of their collaboration, their spying and their, I'm going to say, skullduggery.

00:57:10.000 Silky, thanks so much for joining us today.

00:57:13.000 You've been a fantastic guest as always.

00:57:14.000 Let us know how we can support your ongoing brilliant work.

00:57:17.000 Thank you.

00:57:18.000 Thank you.

00:57:19.000 We've got a fantastic week this week.

00:57:20.000 Tomorrow, I'm going to be speaking to comedian and political commentator Jimmy Dore.

00:57:24.000 He's a great friend of this show.

00:57:25.000 He's been on.

00:57:25.000 He's a great Jimmy.

00:57:26.000 He'll be covering your stuff, I'm sure.

00:57:28.000 Later on in the week, I'll talk to Jimmy Tobias about the Wuhan lab leak theory.

00:57:31.000 We're allowed to talk about it now.

00:57:33.000 And on Friday, to ensure that our spirits remain pure and elevated, Deepak Chopra will be on the show.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 30, 2023

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