In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, we have an exclusive interview with Silky Carlo from Big Brother Watch. She tells us how the deep state is spying on us, and why we should all be worried about it. In our presentation, we talk about the GSA research, and Bill Gates' change of tone on vaccines, and how the mainstream media and the pharmaceutical industry are manipulating the narrative around the pandemic to make it seem like it's all about 'anti-pandemics' and 'pro-vaccination'. We're joined by Russell Brand to discuss this and much more. Stay Free with Russell Brand is out now! Stay Free! - Stay Free, Wanna support us? Don't forget to SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts, or wherever else you get your news and information, to get notified when new episodes are available. You can also join our bi-monthly newsletter, The Dark Side Of, where we discuss all things tech, social media, and culture. Sign up here to receive weekly doses of our latest original dark webinars, and get access to all the latest tech news, trends and trends. We post polls, questions and thoughts on all our socials too! Send your responses to us on all socials! and we'll get a shoutout in next week's episode on the next Monday's episode of Leave Us a Review! Subscribe to our new podcast, Podulpods! Subscribe, Like, Share, and subscribe to our podcast! We'll be listening to your thoughts, comments, and share your thoughts on the podulpodcasts on all your favourite podc on all of your favourite podcasts and vlogs, and more! Thank you for listening to stay free with your thoughts and comments on this episode! Enjoyed it! Timestamps: 5 Starred, please spread the word to your friends across the pod? - we'll be looking out to other podcasts and posting it on socials everywhere else! Love Ghostly, Gave it out to your fellow podcams? 5 Star Trekkie, Gotta Have a good day, GASK Out There - I'm listening to it? 6 Star Trek? 7 Star Trek is listening to you? 8 Star Trekkies? 9 Star Trek Out? 5 Star Out? 6 Starred Out? 7 Starless? 8 Starless Out?
00:00:19.000In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:00:31.000Hello there you Awakening Wonders, thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:00:35.000Today we've got an exclusive interview with Silky Carlo from Big Brother Watch.
00:00:40.000If the Twitter files reveal that the American deep state is spying on you, her revelations, exclusive revelations, show us that this is a global problem, that this is a globalist affair.
00:00:56.000We're going to be talking about NIH's gain-of-function research that is, by the way, ongoing and is explicitly, in their own words, shadowy and vague.
00:01:11.000We can't show all of it on YouTube, so that's why it's so important that you click over and watch us on Rumble.
00:01:16.000For 10 minutes we'll be across all of these platforms.
00:01:20.000Here are the revelations that we were talking about with Silky Carlo.
00:01:23.000Here is an interview that Big Brother Watch conducted with a whistleblower about the British government spying on their population, creating arguments around misinformation, while actually crushing dissent.
00:02:03.000Okay, the whole thing is, I mean, in a sense this causes more problems than it solves.
00:02:08.000But let's see, that ultimately this is a revelation that's an accompaniment to the Twitter files.
00:02:12.000The deep state, whether it's American or other nations, in this case the UK,
00:02:17.000are spying on their populations and are manipulating the narrative around the pandemic.
00:02:23.000There's certain information that is being revealed and some information that's being held back and this again relates to what we're going to be talking about earlier.
00:02:30.000We've already heard that Bill Gates has changed his tune.
00:02:32.000Just last week we wouldn't have been able to show you this clip.
00:02:34.000In our presentation later we're going deep on people talking about vaccine efficacy.
00:02:39.000I mean look at Bill Gates's words and compare that to the The atmosphere and tone at the beginning of the pandemic.
00:02:44.000Have a look at Bill Gates admitting the nature of the efficacy.
00:02:48.000This is just a clip of Bill Gates now that I'm frank to hear.
00:02:53.000We also need to fix the three problems of vaccines.
00:02:56.000The current vaccines are not infection blocking, they're not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration.
00:03:05.000That's just him talking at a think tank in Australia.
00:03:10.000If you can imagine that level of clarity and transparency being conveyed at the beginning of the pandemic.
00:03:16.000Like, do you remember Rachel Maddow saying, you know, Get the vaccine, you're not going to get this thing.
00:03:23.000This is Bill Gates, one of the most ardent advocates and funders for vaccines, just openly saying that they don't stop infection, they're not broad enough, they're not good against vaccinations and they're not durable.
00:03:35.000How can you justify the amount of expenditure, the amount of conversation that we're all mandating?
00:03:40.000These are all sort of inquiries that I have to be cautious around, given the nature of the platform we're currently broadcasting on, but you believe, believe you me, in ten minutes time, oh my god, I'll be aggressively pursuing some of those lines.
00:03:50.000We'd certainly think, hope, you'd hope, anyway, you'd hope, it's probably what happened, that the mainstream media would play that clip, and at the end of that clip go, we're really sorry about that, we're sorry about the way in which we behave towards people who chose not to do it.
00:04:04.000We're really sorry that we condemned unvaccinated people as if they were some new underclass.
00:04:10.000The way that we created celebratory content on all of our shows, even entertainment shows, pushing this as a kind of ubiquitous solution and housing Big Pharma at the center of a presentation that celebrated their heroism without any investigation into the profiting or indeed, perhaps more worryingly, efficacy of this product.
00:04:36.000These unredacted NIH emails are interesting, Gareth.
00:04:41.000During the pandemic, at the time when we were talking about the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, When we were told, absolutely and resolutely, that it did not come from a laboratory, emails between Fauci and a bunch of other elite organisations show that they were concerned about precisely that.
00:05:01.000So on one hand, they're preventing us gaining access to information that they themselves were discussing, and they're censoring and editing the narrative in apparently public platforms like Twitter.
00:05:15.000Those were pretty hefty organisations as well.
00:05:18.000They included the WHO, Jeremy Furrow, top scientist at WHO, and Chris Elias from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
00:05:26.000So these were, you know, big organisations involved heavily in the narrative around the pandemic, having early email conversations with Dr Fauci about the origins of this and about three proposed ideas about where it came from, but only one narrative had been created.
00:05:44.000It also says that the Chinese Center for Disease Control were involved in those conversations, so it's truly a global conversation, let's politely call it.
00:05:53.000It says here that the influential academic paper evolved from its early stages, seriously entertaining three rival hypotheses.
00:05:59.000So at the beginning, it wasn't all wet market, wet market, all we talk about is wet market.
00:06:04.000There was the bioengineered theory, the lab leak theory, and the natural origins theory.
00:06:08.000Now obviously the natural origins theory is the only one that doesn't have any human culpability or perhaps more importantly any corporate culpability.
00:06:15.000So perhaps it doesn't need a great deal of conjecture as to why that was the favoured narrative that was put forward.
00:06:23.000We'll be looking at that in more depth in our presentation.
00:06:26.000I just think also it's probably fairly handy that we all had a bit of an idea about how we felt about those wet markets in the first place.
00:07:32.000After this we're going to be talking to Silky Carlo from Big Brother Watch who reveals that the Twitter files revelations are merely a complement to a much bigger story.
00:07:41.000Governments around the world have not only been spying on their citizens but manipulating and censoring the narrative.
00:07:48.000We're going to have to come off YouTube now because there's content in this video that we're simply unable to show because of WHO guidelines that are still used on Google platform YouTube.
00:07:57.000But click over and watch us on Rumble exclusively to see, well, if not the truth and a different perspective on this story.
00:08:15.000From windows, from the paperclip, from the farming, from the medications, has been spitting truths about vaccines that we're astonished we're even allowed to show on this platform.
00:08:25.000And he predicts that the next pandemic could be man-made, something to look forward to, and so different from the last one.
00:08:35.000Here's something that's going to astonish you in the light of recent events.
00:09:10.000If vaccines are as ineffective as Bill Gates there, not me, Bill Gates seems to think they are, then you have to wonder why he was so keen to protect those patents.
00:09:19.000Hey, we don't want you imitating our ineffective, not broad, don't last very long vaccines.
00:09:33.000But don't worry, because there's always a new opportunity for people that are hustling on the front line of globalist big business, and the next pandemic is just around the corner.
00:09:42.000At least that's what the global elite is praying for, whether it's at Davos or that other global entrepreneur and titan, Bill Gates.
00:09:49.000Bill Gates has warned Australia to be ready for the next pandemic, which could be man-made and far more brutal.
00:09:55.000Bloody hell, that's not a very cheery thing to say to the people of Australia.
00:09:59.000Haven't they dealt with enough lately?
00:10:00.000Mr Gates told the Lowy Institute think tank in Sydney on Monday that political leaders needed to set aside their differences and work together to prepare for the next virus.
00:10:08.000It's nearly exactly our message, except his one leads to pharmaceutical solutions that require centralised power, and ours lead to democratic solutions that lead to people power.
00:10:18.000He called for greater global cooperation using the COVID-19 pandemic as an example of how countries could improve on their response if they work together.
00:10:27.000That is a cry for centralised authority.
00:10:29.000They can improve their response if they work together.
00:10:32.000I know on Sesame Street that would sound like a fantastic sentiment.
00:10:39.000Well, we'll just all work together, Mr. Snuffleupagus, Big Bird.
00:10:43.000What's being described there and presented as sort of harmonious and phatic kumbayami lord style this whole has is centralized authority.
00:10:51.000And unelected organizations like the Gates Foundation and the WHO and the WEF being able to come together in little think tanks and come up with ideas and suggestions and solutions which, by the way, never disrupt the interests of the powerful, by the way, never inhibit the ability of big tech to surveil, big government to regulate, big pharma to profit.
00:11:10.000No ideas, even when they're talking about climate, flying there in private jets.
00:11:13.000Never any solutions like, why don't you stop flying around in private jets, if indeed that's what you care about.
00:11:18.000What their agenda is, is how do we keep control, continue to profit, and never interrupt the trajectory of our domination?
00:11:26.000You'll never hear a suggestion coming out of there like, look, we've done a lot of reflection in the old think tank, and I'm not going to have a private jet anymore.
00:11:58.000Other liberal democracies that pride yourselves on being lands of freedom and tolerance and openness and inclusivity built After post-colonialism, with new and inclusive dreams, how do you feel about this?
00:12:10.000Isn't it pretty obvious that the new information age means it's difficult to control information, the new ability to communicate means it's impossible to stop radicalism, and therefore centralised authority needs to create ways in which to legitimise its ongoing power.
00:12:29.000He also said US policy, and by extension Australia's, which is weird, towards China.
00:12:33.000Wow, one unilateral policy there between the US and Australia, even though Australia has a different historical relationship with China, different geographical relationship with China.
00:12:41.000Why would there be one centralised agenda towards China?
00:13:15.000Are we allowed to have a conversation about that?
00:13:16.000According to a new report in The Intercept, Dr. Anthony Fauci conspired with influential scientists around the world, including at the World Health Organization, to quell concerns that SARS-CoV-2 may have leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, newly unredacted email.
00:13:32.000The newly released emails raised questions about Dr Fauci's motives in dispelling public scrutiny over the potential that the novel coronavirus had escaped from the Wuhan laboratory.
00:13:42.000Fauci had misled Congress over the extent that the National Institute of Health had funded the Wuhan lab as a subcontractor of EcoHealth Alliance.
00:13:49.000The Wuhan laboratory was also funded by the Pentagon, contract award show.
00:13:54.000The unredacted NIH email show how public questioning that SARS-CoV-2 may have escaped from a laboratory was a concern for the group's scientists, lest it become a conspiracy theory.
00:14:06.000In case it becomes a conspiracy theory.
00:14:08.000But also, more of a concern that it could become a conspiracy theory is that there's all sorts of integral, actual, demonstrable relationships between Interests that ought be declared explicit and made public, because otherwise, not only is that lacking in transparency, it is a conspiracy.
00:14:26.000Bill Gates wants more cooperation between these organizations.
00:14:29.000How much more cooperation do I want to move into one house and get married to each other?
00:14:33.000They seem to be cooperating just fine.
00:14:35.000Emails were exchanged among Dr. Anthony Fauci, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases chief, Sir Jeremy Farrar, a top scientist at the World Health Organization, Christian Anderson, a leading immunologist and microbiologist with Scripps Research, Professor Edward Holmes, a biologist at the University of Sydney, Dr. Francis Collins, former director of the National Institute of Health, Chris Elias of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, George Fugao of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, Victor J. Zhao of Duke University, and various other influential scientists and philanthropists around the world.
00:15:09.000It's an interesting collusion between state-funded organizations, unelected globalist entities like the WHO, and private foundations that are often presented as primarily philanthropic rather than political organizations that are about asserting control or looking to exert influence.
00:15:29.000That list in itself, unless it led to transparent communication, I think is cause for scrutiny and concern.
00:15:36.000Remember, in the early days of the pandemic, there was a clear attempt to control the narrative.
00:15:40.000All of this inquiry about the possible Wuhan lab origin was completely suppressed.
00:15:44.000Many of you will have seen Jon Stewart's joke on TV saying it's kind of ludicrous that it's not being discussed when there's an institute of virology that bears the same name as the place of origin.
00:15:54.000And to know that these people, people that operate in the upper echelons, this is what people mean by the elites.
00:16:00.000There are powerful institutions, some governmental, some private and corporate, some media-oriented, and conspiracy theorists believe that they communicate with one another in order to establish an agenda and push particular stories and narratives in order to prevent democratic control being meaningful.
00:16:15.000Let me know if you think that any red flags will be raised around that little list.
00:16:19.000The academic paper, The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2, published on March 17, 2021, had definitively propped up the rival theory to the lab leak theory that SARS-CoV-2 had natural origins.
00:16:31.000But the final form of the paper was far afield of its initial stages, as shown by the NIH emails.
00:16:37.000The influential academic paper evolved from its early stages, seriously entertaining three rival hypotheses, the bioengineer theory, the lab leak theory, and the natural origins theory, which seems to me, by the way, how science ought be conducted.
00:16:50.000And if you genuinely were interested in creating a clear and open relationship with the public, which I would assume is necessary during a time of pandemic, which requires cooperation, it's It seems to me that they were confronted with the idea that cooperation was required and chose a different path.
00:17:09.000And then have the gall to complain about the rise of conspiracy theories when continually information keeps coming to the surface to suggest that much of what was previously adjudged as conspiracy theory territory was actually an alternative truth and in many cases now a more valid one.
00:17:23.000To one that attempted to close the book on public inquiry into the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 had escaped from the Wuhan laboratory.
00:17:30.000Now, if you have a bias towards a particular outcome, and you want to prevent people reaching a particular conclusion, in this case, the idea that CoV-2 had escaped from the Wuhan laboratory, when it was a serious theory under contention, even under their own analysis, the next line of inquiry that you have to undertake is, why?
00:17:46.000Why did they not want that line of inquiry to be investigated?
00:17:50.000Well, let's just have some speculation and conjecture.
00:17:52.000Because it would diminish public trust in the kind of organisations that funded that research, especially to learn that the people that funded that research are now being charged with the response to the pandemic.
00:18:02.000It would make us further query how much we could trust Big Pharma.
00:18:06.000It might, in fact, make us want to hold Big Pharma to account when it comes to profitability.
00:18:11.000It would damage further our trust in public institutions.
00:18:14.000Well, now it seems that all of these ideas were at least legitimate cause for speculation, if not entirely verifiable.
00:18:21.000The evolution was due in no small part to the feedback from Dr. Andy Fauci, Dr. Francis Collins, and Sir Jeremy Farrah, the unredacted email show.
00:18:30.000Evolution, like it was just like, oh, natural selection!
00:18:32.000It's not natural selection if the head of the NIH is going, don't put that bit in, exclude that.
00:18:41.000The academic paper upon publication was soon weaponised by the mainstream press to attack critics of the Wuhan laboratory as conspiracy theorists, but behind the scenes the authors themselves were taking the possibility that the virus escaped from a laboratory more seriously.
00:18:55.000So even they themselves knew it was a legitimate possibility, while we, you, were being told, no, no, you're a conspiracy theorist.
00:19:03.000Right, do some more research on that because it actually could have been that.
00:19:07.000I'm not even saying it came from that lab.
00:19:09.000I'm saying that they thought that it might come from that lab.
00:19:12.000I'm not even saying those vaccines are not effective.
00:19:14.000I'm saying Bill Gates is saying that those vaccines are not effective.
00:19:18.000I'm not even saying that the next pandemic might be man-made.
00:19:20.000Bill Gates is saying that the next pandemic might be man-made.
00:19:23.000This, along with information that's being leaked, which at this point we can't include in these videos until it's more verified and we're more confident in it, Suggests that even some of the more extreme ideas that are discussed have some truth and authority to them.
00:19:38.000So clearly gain-of-function is somewhat controversial and clearly even according to organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, WHO, NIH, all of those organizations listed is potentially contentious and I would say potentially dangerous.
00:19:50.000It's good to know that the NIH aren't carrying on with gain-of-function research and if they are, I want to be damn sure that it's not vague or secretive.
00:19:58.000You want it out there and explicit and clear.
00:20:00.000The National Institute of Health, formerly headed up by Anthony Fauci, should improve how it regulates lab-generated viruses that could pose a national security risk, according to its biosecurity advisors.
00:20:10.000Sometimes I think that, actually, we have conversation at a particular level, but really the conversation should be happening, like, way down deeper.
00:20:19.000Like, why are we not having that conversation?
00:20:21.000The National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity highlighted wide gaps in the oversight of controversial projects that create enhanced pandemic potential pathogens in preliminary recommendations to the NIH.
00:21:20.000On paper, NIH-funded projects that could pose a pandemic risk are subject to an extra layer of regulatory review by the Enhanced Pandemic Potential Pathogens Committee, or P3CO.
00:21:30.000Master Luke, don't put that research by the cracks.
00:22:21.000The composition of the P3CO is unknown to anyone outside of the process except for the NSABB and a few members of Congress.
00:22:28.000Master Luke, you don't think us keeping this all secret will lead people to think that we're somehow profiteering, introducing regulation, not being honest about the risks and gain of function, the possibility that the last pandemic could come from a lab, that this research could lead to more pandemics coming?
00:22:46.000Whether it's Bill Gates or the NIH, new information is coming to the forefront that appears to verify and validate some of the most extreme conspiracy theories of just a couple of years ago.
00:22:59.000This doesn't mean that we should all be marching around saying, I'm right, I'm right, thumping our chests and fist bumping and fist pumping.
00:23:05.000It simply means that we must stay alert and stay awake.
00:23:10.000Make sure you've watched it first, though maybe that don't matter either, to people that you formally disagreed with.
00:23:15.000Be willing to open your heart, but do demand truth and demand to be treated like an adult, which ultimately means we have to behave like adults.
00:23:23.000We have to be responsible, awake, transparent and clear.
00:23:27.000Let us demonstrate to them how we want to be governed, how we want to be led.
00:23:31.000Ultimately, that we should be governed and led by ourselves.
00:23:43.000Keep letting us know what you think in the comments and the chat
00:23:47.000and thank you for your kind words and compliments.
00:23:50.000I'm joined now by friend of the show Silky Carlo, director of Big Brother Watch, who's here to talk about these revelations that demonstrate that the kind of things we've learned from the Twitter files recently are part of a much bigger and indeed global problem.
00:24:04.000Silky, thanks for coming on the show with us.
00:24:07.000What has been revealed about the nature of the British government's editorialising of the narrative around the pandemic and the degree to which they're prepared to intercept and control public communication around initially this subject?
00:24:23.000What we found through a long-term investigation is that the government has set up a number of secretive units that claim to counter disinformation and after struggling to get information about what these units are actually doing, what we found is that they are also monitoring and recording Basically dissenting opinions, people criticising the government, and this impacts MPs, journalists, academics and experts, campaigners, who are ending up in central government files with notes about things that they've said where they've criticised government policies.
00:24:59.000This was particularly happening during the pandemic, but the indication is from the documents that we've got is that they've been looking at other topics, but it was absolutely rife during the pandemic.
00:25:08.000On this show we've consistently said that the emerging terms, misinformation and disinformation, which are presented of course as a means to regulate data, ensuring that negative, conspiratorial, whack job, woo woo, QAnon information doesn't come to dominate the public sphere, is a way in which the public narrative can be curated. It
00:25:30.000is, in essence, as you have demonstrated, a means for shutting down dissent, controlling dissenters,
00:25:37.000smearing them when necessary to ensure that only one narrative is available. Furthermore, we've
00:25:43.000regarded the pandemic, whilst to a degree as a unique phenomenon, as more revelatory than anomalous. It
00:25:56.000So whilst at the moment you're focused on the pandemic and how these organisations that claim to be about misinformation are in fact about shutting down dissent are Particularly culpable with regards to the pandemic.
00:26:09.000It's going to be applicable elsewhere.
00:26:13.000What do you think are the most interesting aspects of the revelation?
00:26:17.000Who in particular has been affected and what should our global audience be most concerned about?
00:26:23.000Well, I think the big picture, as you say, is that what we found definitively is that the words misinformation and disinformation are being used as blank checks, really, by the government to extend power over speech and over information and what people can see and what people can share, what they can hear.
00:26:42.000Which is a concern, and as you say, yes that happened during the pandemic, but the staff and the resources are now being applied to other things.
00:26:52.000So the information environment is more controlled.
00:26:54.000In terms of specifically what we've found they've done, to give you an example, David Davis, the MP who is a well-known civil libertarian, So he's sort of like a Republican, if this was American politics, Conservative for UK audiences, quite a significant political figure, ran for leadership like 10 years ago.
00:27:33.000And yet his name and some of his media comments and social media posts about the issue are found in these counter misinformation files.
00:27:43.000Nothing that he said wasn't Accurate, and wasn't true.
00:27:47.000And separately, we actually had a video that we put on our Big Brother Watches YouTube channel of David Davis giving a speech about vaccine passports removed.
00:27:58.000Of course we kicked up a fuss about it and it was reinstated, but it now makes us think, you know, we know there are censors in government, we know there are censors on the social media companies, less so on Rumble, So what is the connection between the two?
00:28:13.000And ultimately that's what these units are doing.
00:28:15.000They're not just keeping these records for fun.
00:28:18.000Firstly, they're doing it because they want to craft their own messaging and target their own messaging towards things that are unflattering and to basically be able to counter some of the criticism they're getting.
00:28:32.000But the other thing is to flag stuff to social media companies for them to take down.
00:28:38.000And we've even got ministers saying in Parliament that that's what these units are doing.
00:28:43.000They say daily we tell the social media companies what to take down and we are helping them to find misinformation.
00:28:50.000But until now, everyone thought, everyone just created in their heads because of this vacuum of information, it must be the coordinated Russian disinformation, it must be this, it must be that.
00:29:01.000No, it's the politicians you're electing, it's the experts in your universities, it's the campaigners who are trying to protect your human rights.
00:29:08.000These are the people that are ending up in government files.
00:29:11.000So they're using ideas around Russian disinformation and manipulation of the public space to further facilitate censorship.
00:29:21.000It interests me The political figures that one would once have assumed were part of the establishment, certainly an elected politician, is subject to censorship.
00:29:32.000This shows you that there is, firstly it demonstrates, one of the things we've been talking about on this show, that the terms left and right are becoming somewhat redundant because the idea of personal individual freedom should be a political absolute, whether you're on the left or the right or wherever you exist.
00:29:49.000It also shows you that there appears to be an agenda Certainly people are being censored, information is being controlled presumably in pursuit of an objective that is so particular and bespoke that even presumed members of the government are outside of it.
00:30:04.000We've seen sort of an MP censored now, that dude the other week that asked a question about vaccines.
00:30:10.000So that makes me query the nature of democracy, our understanding of democracy.
00:30:19.000Well, can I counter one of the things that you said, that there's not a distinction between left and right?
00:30:25.000I think there is an important distinction between left and right.
00:30:28.000Big Brother Watch is non-partisan, but I did see some right-wing narratives come into what would typically be left-wing campaigns during the pandemic.
00:30:39.000My concern is that some extreme points of views that you might associate with the right
00:31:30.000One of the people you just you just mentioned the Iraq war I mean Tony Blair was just at Davos talking about worldwide mandated vaccine passports so that kind of shows where the left have come to in terms of you know vaccine passports and freedom of speech.
00:31:43.000The common thread I think is authoritarianism and authoritarianism has been sold into um the the the the certainly the left establishment and I because you know so one of the if we're looking at the pandemic The people who are really affected, everyone talks about being locked up at home.
00:32:01.000A lot of people weren't locked up at home.
00:32:11.000You know, I think there's a lot of the left that was left adrift during the pandemic.
00:32:17.000And unfortunately, because of The some of the institutions of the left being enamored with this with the promise of authoritarianism as saving lives and all of this kind of thing.
00:32:28.000A lot of people were then funneled towards more right wing groups.
00:32:33.000So, for example, I'm aware that there was a right wing workers union that was trying to scoop up some of the nurses around vaccine mandates.
00:32:43.000Many of those nurses are migrant nurses that actually that right-wing union believes don't have a right to be here.
00:32:50.000There is a distinction between right and left but the authoritarianism has seeped into both sides and that's why I think you do need a non-partisan group like Big Brother Watch that and you know voices like yours that without fear or favor will criticize in a non-partisan way that authoritarianism.
00:33:06.000In a sense, Suki, what I'm saying is that centralised power has become about authoritarianism and only uses the tropes that used to be associated with the left as an aesthetic to distract from the fact that their true agenda is precisely the authoritarianism.
00:33:19.000And Gareth's point about Tony Blair ultimately being a globalist emergent in the era of Clinton, which is precisely the point where both, to a degree, the Democrat Party and certainly the Labour Party in this country Dissolved their traditional relationship with both the union movement, but I think even in a sort of a more diffuse way, the ideological connection to what I would call ordinary working people and became essentially elitist parties.
00:33:45.000We're seriously comfortable with people becoming fabulously wealthy.
00:33:49.000That's sort of like part of my major concern.
00:33:51.000So this whistleblower Silky, I was about to say, who is it?
00:33:55.000That's the one thing you can't tell us.
00:33:57.000But should we have a look at this bit of footage together and tell us what the process is of getting a bit of information like this obviously while protecting the source.
00:34:05.000How did this, how did you get this interview and everything that you can tell us that isn't sensitive or dangerous?
00:34:23.000The Whistleblower, yes, was part of the 77th Brigade of the British Army, which is an elite information ops, non-lethal, psychological warfare kind of unit within the army.
00:34:38.000That claims, as you would hope, to only do operations overseas.
00:34:43.000And what the whistleblower told us is that actually they were doing general searches of social media that without doubt meant that they were monitoring and then flagging up central government Brits, people on their own soil.
00:34:58.000In terms of how we came to meet this whistleblower, it's pure synchronicity actually.
00:35:07.000We were doing this investigation about other units within government and didn't tell anyone and the whistleblower came to us at the same time.
00:35:16.000Should we have a look at some of this interview?
00:35:20.000It became very much a kind of monitoring sentiment.
00:35:23.000I did that the voice should sound like that.
00:35:27.000We were so worried because her voice is a biometric.
00:35:44.000We couldn't, well, I'm not letting anything happen to him.
00:35:48.000No, that's an amazing thing that they've even found a way to bypass anything that you would do to their own voice, that now technology can find a way through that even.
00:35:57.000Ah, so it's got to be an actor's voice and then disguise the actor.
00:36:03.000He's a member of our staff, which is why we changed it.
00:36:06.000They couldn't use the actor in the end for fear of privacy issues, so they used his dog.
00:36:10.000My real complaint is that you've denied a proper actor, like myself, who's an equity card holder and a member of SAG, real work.
00:37:23.000We've done endless freedom of information requests, parliamentary questions.
00:37:27.000You know, as it stands, this unit denied it was even doing this kind of work.
00:37:31.000So, you know, I think this will go on.
00:37:35.000These are the questions that they have to answer.
00:37:36.000Why did they want to have records of this stuff?
00:37:39.000In the context of what we know as a result of the Twitter file revelations, having someone in essentially a special forces position reveal that this kind of investigation and process is taking place is further evidence that governments around the world are collaborating presumably with big tech and are attempting to control the narrative.
00:37:57.000Around the pandemic and that in itself is a demonstration that there's a kind of presumed parentalism between the governing and the governed.
00:38:05.000That it's not a sort of service organisation.
00:38:09.000How can we help you during this pandemic?
00:38:10.000That they are interested in exerting control and management of power.
00:38:14.000Eerily similar to post 9-11 when we were told that, you know, the US, I guess, army in their case, or secret services, were told that they were using the abilities and technology they had to spy on people abroad, but they were actually using it to spy on their own populations.
00:38:28.000It sounds like that's exactly what you're saying.
00:38:31.000In fact, we brought a legal challenge after the Snowden revelations about when government said that they were doing overseas interception of basically all electronic communications.
00:38:42.000What they meant was that they were tapping cables that got everything.
00:38:46.000And so the fact that, you know, the whole domestic population was being surveilled was just like collateral.
00:38:52.000And it's the same here from, you know, what the whistleblower is telling us is that just, you know, English language communications were being monitored.
00:39:00.000And without a doubt, that will have included British people.
00:39:05.000Then the records are being sent up to central government.
00:39:08.000And we know that they have a trusted flagger status.
00:39:12.000So, absolutely what they're most likely doing with these records.
00:39:16.000In fact, we know They've said on record all the time that they are flagging this stuff to the social media companies.
00:39:21.000So we don't know what they flagged, but part of their function with these reports is to go to Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and say, you might want to have a look at this.
00:39:31.000You know, not we're telling you to take it down, but the kind of like mafia style, like you might want to think about this stuff that's on your platform and do something about it.
00:39:42.000One of the things that the Twitter files demonstrated is that there was an ideological convergence of interests around, for example, the Hunter Biden story that meant that it wasn't even entirely necessary to instruct in a Uh, authoritative way that the information had to be removed because there was a, broadly speaking, an ideological alliance and one of the guests we had on the show, I think it was Michael Schellenberger, suggested that journalists are taken to sort of briefings where they're told, oh, you might want to watch out for Russian disinformation.
00:40:14.000And so, you know, they might do stories, I don't know, about people's laptops so that when this information appears, they're already primed.
00:40:21.000And I suppose what this suggests is, More broadly, to have a sort of a macro look at it for a moment, is that the government offering, the idea that the government there is there to protect you, rather than to control you, is challenged by these kind of revelations.
00:40:39.000That's what I continually get from it, whether it's, as you say, in the aftermath of the Iraq war, in order to protect you, we must do this.
00:40:46.000And then when you have the lens that, oh, I see what's happening, They need to be in control of us.
00:40:53.000I know it sounds sort of somewhat grandiose and hyperbolic, but sometimes I think it's necessary to frame things in that way so that people recognize that what's happening is not some sort of anemic, drab, bureaucratic narrative.
00:41:05.000We're talking about our ability to freely communicate.
00:41:08.000We're talking about democracy being a theatrical affair.
00:41:12.000Rather than the legitimate execution of the will of the people.
00:41:15.000And all of these things direct me to the need for radical, systemic change.
00:41:20.000And I know that you're at the end of this, where it requires, I'm assuming, really laborious processes of requesting freedom of information.
00:41:29.000when we spoke to Open the Books, is it, Gal, in the US, you can see that this is like a
00:41:33.000kind of a legal, loyally, difficult, intrepid, intransigent process that requires devotion.
00:41:42.000And all of us have got little roles to play, and I feel that when we're dealing with information,
00:41:46.000what we're trying to do is alert people to deception, alert people to the true nature
00:41:50.000of power, encourage people to look for alliances when it comes to those traditional categories
00:41:56.000of left and right, traditional, progressive, because we are being confronted with, as this
00:42:01.000story demonstrates, Silky, a sort of almost unparalleled capacity to exert power due to
00:42:07.000the nature of technology and the willingness of governments to abuse it.
00:42:11.000I'll just jump in because I think around that you were saying that a lot of this came through around the pandemic and obviously a lot of the Twitter files are being exposed at the moment about coming through the pandemic and obviously it's a very polarised time and the subject was very polarised but when you say Silky that these departments are being kept in place now and for the future They're going to get used to all sorts of things, and a prime example at the moment is the Ukraine war, or future wars, a war with China.
00:42:36.000And now you're getting to the point where you can eliminate dissent around those, around people pointing out ways in which money is spent, whether that's helping Ukraine or militarizing Ukraine or whatever it is.
00:42:47.000You're getting to a point, I think there was a report recently around the Twitter files that the government in the US was also white labelling, I think is the phrase, certain foreign activity of theirs that they wanted to promote.
00:43:01.000We're doing these things in these countries and to, again, You know, eliminate any kind of dissent around them.
00:43:07.000So it's not just about the framing around the kind of cause that people care about now.
00:43:12.000Oh, pandemic, I'm pro-vaccine, or I'm anti-vaccine, whatever.
00:43:16.000This is set in place now, and this is set in place for the future, and all these other situations.
00:43:22.000Yeah, we already have an example in the report of a Labour MP, Bel Rubiro-Adi, who was, one of these units had recorded that she had signed a petition against the further eastward expansion of NATO.
00:43:38.000So clearly, they were taking an interest.
00:43:42.000Some of these units exist specifically to take an interest in foreign affairs.
00:43:48.000But yeah, I mean, this is the kind of stuff that happens in the 80s with the whole Reds Under the Bed fear and the
00:43:56.000intelligence agencies were keeping files on members of parliament. This is bigger because it's
00:44:01.000not the intelligence agencies, it's a government policy unit that sets up secretive cells
00:44:07.000within those units that are answerable to no one and they're not just spying on MPs,
00:44:13.000they're spying on academics, members of the public, campaigners.
00:44:18.000Was they spying on you because you went campaigners?
00:44:21.000Yeah, yeah, I had some pages and pages of stuff and nothing, I'm pleased to say, absolutely nothing that was recorded about me was inaccurate.
00:44:52.000I want a tax rebate if they're not spying on me.
00:44:56.000Some of the stuff that they were interested in, you know, I think they're interested in anyone with an audience, anyone who was criticizing government policies around this time.
00:45:05.000You know, even on my tweets, you know, they're looking at how many people it reached, you can see how many thousand likes, interactions, all this kind of stuff.
00:45:13.000Also, Gareth, when you said it's a contentious subject, a contentious subject in terms of the pandemic, that there are different opinions, but the contentiousness in fact is part of the framing, that's part of what was created.
00:46:06.000He said that in 2001, as much information was conveyed in...
00:46:10.000In that one year as in the previous all human history in one year and the second year doubled that so that he said that when you look at it on a graph it looks like a tidal wave and it's causing a kind of tectonic shift so like or in a sense it feels to me that what are I'm being careful how I say this but almost there's a sense that situations are welcomed if not engineered that Legitimise authoritarianism because in a new landscape there is a bigger requirement for authority because people can communicate, counter-narratives can appear.
00:46:41.000Anything any of us say, opposing views, can just spring up in the chat.
00:46:45.000Immediately, let us know in the chat what you think about that.
00:46:50.000I just throw this away, I don't even like it.
00:46:53.000You know, I think one thing that I sort of hope comes from all of this is that maybe we shouldn't be careful about what we say.
00:47:00.000I mean, obviously, if you've got a massive platform, then you probably need to be more careful than the average person, but individuals should not be too careful about what they say.
00:47:08.000I think we've entered an era where Everyone fills up with their social media platforms.
00:47:12.000They're kind of like their own PR manager and they have to be really careful and think about future employers and this, that and the other.
00:47:17.000And actually, in a free society and in a democracy, and especially if we're all ultimately trying to find truths and make things better, you have to accommodate error.
00:48:27.000Things didn't used to be like that, and it seems that there's a necessity to generate that kind of tension in order to facilitate censorship and authoritarianism, not because of a true morality.
00:48:38.000Because if there was a true principle at play, then the position wouldn't shift in the way that it has In the way that earlier in the conversation we talked about censorship, Silky, that would have once been assumed to have been a liberal issue.
00:48:49.000If you care about freedom, of course you care about freedom of speech.
00:48:51.000Yeah, that central, some of these core principles that define democracy, it's the foundation of democracy.
00:48:59.000Have suddenly been recast as a threat to democracy and a threat to society free speech is often talked about as though it's this kind of dangerous animal that has to be controlled and it's really it's really strange so I think we should know part of the pushback obviously we're going to do a We've got a big campaign launching, we're going to want people to sign the petition, go to bigbrotherwatch.org.uk to take part, thank you.
00:49:24.000But also, we should all just speak more freely and be tolerant of people, other people who we I disagree with.
00:49:33.000I think particularly during Covid, the idea that there was a set right and wrong was obviously nonsense because everything was new and all these different views about, even if it's about efficacy of vaccines and vaccine passports and lockdown and modelling, all the things that they were monitoring and seeking to control, as we found in our report, There was no agreed on answers to these questions, but people weren't allowed to explore, and even members of parliament, the people that represent us in our democracy, and even the experts.
00:50:08.000One of the people who's in these reports is Carl Hennigan, Professor Carl Hennigan.
00:50:13.000He's from Oxford University, he's from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, at Oxford University.
00:50:18.000You know, putting someone like that in a disinformation report.
00:50:21.000He's the person that should be speaking to the government about what the hell to do.
00:50:25.000But they were trying to, you know, they decided... His whole job is evidence.
00:51:10.000Not just for the units, but also for the contracts that they're giving to AI companies, some of which have links to government ministers, to outsource some of this work.
00:51:20.000We've probably even paid for that red hoodie.
00:51:23.000Even in our presentation today, we showed how top level organisations from around the world, whether it's the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the NIH, the Chinese Centre for Disease Control, We're all discussing the possibility of free origins for the coronavirus, bioengineering, lab leak, natural origin.
00:51:42.000The fact that they settled on natural origin, censored alternative theories, we know that that was one of the ideas that was subject to censorship, even though there was no legitimacy to that censorship and it was something that should have been discussed.
00:51:54.000That is authoritarianism, that is parentalism, it's undue censorship and I think that your story really advances It demonstrates that this has been taking place because we're being gaslit on a global scale now.
00:52:21.000Firstly, see this bit here where it says, you know, do not roll out COVID vaccine passports because we did a presentation with Tony Blair continuing to advocate for digital passports.
00:52:30.000Tony Blair, former Prime Minister at WEF.
00:52:33.000What's this thing about vaccines being mandatory and all this sort of stuff?
00:52:36.000Yeah, this is my brilliant colleague, Mark, from Big Brother Watch.
00:52:41.000He shared the official petition that was on the government website during Covid against vaccine passports.
00:52:49.000So official petitions on the government website have to be fact checked and vetted before they can be posted.
00:52:56.000This one at this time was live for a long time.
00:52:58.000It had over a quarter of a million signatures.
00:53:00.000And simply for sharing the link, he was included in one of these misinformation reports.
00:53:32.000To have power over what people can say and what people can read and hear is the most extraordinary power imaginable.
00:53:38.000That's why we called our report Ministry of Truth.
00:53:41.000It is like the Orwellian idea of the Ministry of Truth.
00:53:45.000It's information control on a mass scale.
00:53:48.000So yeah, I think we've seen from the Twitter files that the US government was involved in similar things.
00:53:55.000We have to have a proper conversation about misinformation.
00:53:58.000Misinformation at the moment is basically this vague, nebulous, wrong information category that in the hands of government will mean information that's not flattering to them, information that's not convenient to them, information that opposes their policies.
00:54:11.000The problem that I have with these type of revelations is they help to kind of bolster my more pathological sense that you just cannot trust authority and that your starting point is oppose, assume they're lying, start there.
00:54:27.000And that in itself comes with problems.
00:54:30.000Certainly it means I get a lot of parking tickets.
00:54:33.000Are there any other revelations to come?
00:54:35.000Like for example, I've sometimes had concerns around the use of the NHS branding around the tracking app because the NHS National Health Service in this country is sort of a beautiful surface of free health care built on the backs of the war dead and obviously on our taxis to this day.
00:54:53.000I wonder if there are any revelations to come around the curating, controlling, sharing of private biometric data?
00:55:03.000Well, in terms of around these units, there's got to be more revelations to come because there are so many unanswered questions.
00:55:10.000Parliament needs to open inquiries into what they were doing.
00:55:14.000Like you say, it's all publicly funded.
00:56:25.000People were lied to, people were controlled and mistakes were made.
00:56:30.000Obviously people had good intentions in government but you can't earn, you can't own that trust unless you've really earned it.
00:56:38.000So they've got to come clean about all of this.
00:56:40.000If people are going to trust that what happens under the misinformation and disinformation banner is actually benefiting democracy rather than harming it, which is what I think we've seen here.
00:56:54.000You trusted your intuition and we have been, hopefully of some service, in helping to verify your intuitive understanding of the corruption at the heart of centralised authoritarian governments the world over and the nature of their collaboration, their spying and their, I'm going to say, skullduggery.
00:57:10.000Silky, thanks so much for joining us today.
00:57:13.000You've been a fantastic guest as always.
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