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00:02:30.000As long as we are connecting to one another, they cannot defeat us.
00:02:34.000If you're watching this on Rumble right now, you're in for a hell of an experience.
00:02:38.000We're going to be talking about The endlessly escalating forever war that Biden is advocating for and Stella Assange is on the show today ahead of next week's hearings here in the UK in which it will be determined whether or not Julian Assange has the right to appeal.
00:02:58.000There's got to be a trial in order to establish whether or not there can be an appeal.
00:03:03.000How many bureaucratic layers between freedom and that man Can they implement?
00:03:09.000Astonishing really, given that so far Julian Assange has never stood trial for the charge of espionage, which as you know was deployed under Barack Obama, that change and hope candidate, more than under any other president.
00:03:24.000Now the first part of the show will be on YouTube, then we will be on Rumble.
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00:03:39.000I hope you're enjoying the additional videos we give you, like how to challenge authority with Terrence McKenna and we've got another exclusive video for you where we analyze Lee Fang's recent appearance before a subcommittee over there in the United States talking about censorship and free speech and the emergence of these new AI agencies that are becoming expert in managing the public discourse.
00:04:03.000Now, if you want to monitor how much the culture has changed and how much it has gotten out of control, you could look to the re-emergence of Jon Stewart in the mainstream media space.
00:04:14.000When Jon Stewart was last at the center of this culture, it was accepted that you could be somewhat critical of political figures on both sides of the aisle.
00:04:22.000Since then, censorship has risen to a High, high, high Fahrenheit levels and now if you criticize Joe Biden it's a problem.
00:04:33.000Let me know if you saw Stuart on the Daily Show, the new rebooted Daily Show, and let me know if you saw the view, frantic, that anyone would criticize Joe Biden for being Elderly, and perhaps pointing out that a person in that position ought not be grappling with senility and descending into senescence with such obvious consequences.
00:04:59.000You know, particularly when, in a minute, we're going to be talking about the ongoing forever wars.
00:05:03.000We'll be looking a little bit at Rishi Sunak and his patronizing videos.
00:05:07.000But first, let's start with The View, talking about Jon Stewart.
00:05:10.000Frantic that he's not Simply advocating for four more years of Biden, when Joe Biden may not even have four more years left.
00:05:21.000I love it that Jon Stewart is back, but what's so offensive to me is there's difference between age and intelligence.
00:05:27.000There's a difference between age and vitality.
00:05:30.000There's a difference between age and really being up She's not actually talking about her co-host there on The View, Joy, and I think there's a distinction between hosting The View and running the United States of America and perhaps the
00:05:51.000Hey, remember that Stella Assange is joining us later.
00:05:54.000If you've got any questions for Stella, post them there in the Rumble chat with Julian Assange's hearing coming up on Tuesday and Wednesday next week.
00:06:01.000We will be streaming live from the Royal Court.
00:06:04.000If you're in the United Kingdom, you can join us there for this historic occasion where the possibility for a little bit of democracy and a little bit of free speech will be discussed privately behind closed doors by highly paid judges.
00:06:15.000Cooking is not the same as running the free world.
00:06:17.000cooking in front of people. Cooking is not the same as running the free world.
00:06:22.000She's still exactly Robert De Niro and Al Pacino are getting it in. They've got babies.
00:06:27.000Pretending to be a gangster is not the same as being an actual gangster and running the free world.
00:06:43.000They look like they know what they're doing.
00:06:45.000I don't know what they're doing when it comes to investing.
00:06:48.000In fact, is it true that if we just invested in the commodities that Nancy Pelosi, or Paul Pelosi, sorry, it's not Nancy Pelosi that does the actual investing, that we will be ahead of the market, ahead of hedge funds?
00:07:09.000Okay, I'm sick of this ageism problem.
00:07:12.000There's a difference between revering our elders and connecting with the sacred and remembering this Lent that we must allow God to move ever closer to us and allowing someone that's possibly grappling with cognitive decline to make very complex decisions.
00:07:29.000Certainly in the UK we have a different problem.
00:07:31.000We got one of them haircut politicians.
00:07:55.000You know, like when you're in a relationship with someone, the relationship's not going very well, and the person goes, no, the relationship is going well.
00:09:11.000And look at this extraordinary little circle that is drawn that looks like the coronavirus in microcosm itself with all of these tangential arrows and angles emerging from it telling us why things are great and there's nothing to worry about.
00:09:25.000Those things cost around 400 billion pounds with all the other support we provided.
00:10:22.000Yeah, we're not supposed to be in that war.
00:10:25.000To £4,500, unless the government did something about it, which it did.
00:10:29.000It provided about £100 billion of support to everyone.
00:10:33.000Remember the reason that Julian Assange is in Belmarsh right now without trial is because he reported and facilitated the reporting of whistleblowers through WikiLeaks openly in a way that was hardly advantageous to the kind of elitist interests that Rishi Sunak no doubt represents. Last year, one of the things that won't
00:10:52.000feature in his graph is that he paid 20% tax. He won't be telling you about the
00:10:56.000relationship between his father-in-law's firm and the WEF. Look it up for yourself. It's called Infosys,
00:11:02.000that company. And he won't tell you about Thalim Partners, the hedge fund that
00:11:06.000invested heavily in Moderna right before Moderna became a very profitable organisation
00:11:12.000around the time that Covid appears on Rishi's wee whiteboard graph there.
00:11:17.000Their energy bills. But all of these things meant that we saw high inflation. That's what
00:11:22.000caused all the pressures with the cost of living.
00:11:26.000At the beginning of last year, I set out five priorities.
00:11:29.000The first of those priorities was to halve inflation.
00:11:34.000What he's essentially going to do is give you information that makes it look like they're doing a fantastic job, when I think many of us might dispute that.
00:12:23.000What we're being invited to do is to ignore the evidence of our own eyes, our own ears, our own hearts, our own experience.
00:12:29.000To avoid the evidence of soaring fuel prices, grocery and food bills, the ongoing sense that the infrastructure around us is crumbling, the despair, the woe that is immersive and evident and abundant all around us and except that this man with the dead eyes and the whiteboard is telling you the truth.
00:12:48.000So around 4% that's good progress but we've got to keep going because inflation belongs back down at 2%.
00:12:56.000What does that mean for you And your family?
00:12:59.000Well, first and foremost, because inflation is coming down, that eases burdens with the cost of... That house looks like a little sad face.
00:13:07.000If you're watching us on YouTube, start the countdown if that's okay, guys.
00:13:55.000Michael Schellenberger says the US government said in 2017 that Russia favoured Trump as president, but now sources reveal for the first time that the CIA cooked the intelligence to hide that Vladimir Putin Biden or Trump?
00:14:05.000Clinton not Donald Trump as president. CIA cooked the intelligence to hide that
00:14:11.000Russia favored Clinton not Trump. Also in a Kremlin TV interview Putin appeared to
00:14:18.000indicate that his preference would be Biden over Donald Trump. Let's have a
00:14:27.000Biden. He is a more experienced man, he is predictable, he is an old-fashioned politician.
00:14:35.000But we will work with any leader of the United States that the American people will trust.
00:14:44.000I suppose what we can glean and deduce from that is that Putin would prefer to deal with that professional class of politicians who are widely suspected to belong to financial interests, in particular those of the donor class.
00:15:01.000Then a maverick like Donald Trump who may be somewhat erratic.
00:15:07.000That's basically what I took from that.
00:15:09.000We did a poll a little earlier where we asked who do you trust to handle Putin in the war and unsurprisingly, because we're beginning to know what your preferences are guys, 75% of you said Donald Trump.
00:16:11.000Multiple sources are telling CNN tonight that the U.S.
00:16:14.000has new intelligence on Russia's efforts to deploy a nuclear anti-satellite system in space.
00:16:20.000Keep in mind, if nukes were launched to the U.S.
00:16:21.000from space, they would be undetectable.
00:16:23.000And this news gives ominous context to the fact that one of Putin's mouthpieces floated this very idea on Russian state television nine months ago.
00:16:47.000Hey, listen, while over there in Russia, not detecting any space nukes, and in the opinion of the legacy media, simply creating propaganda for Putin, here's Tucker Carlson, Shopping.
00:17:00.000I mean, he did seem to have a pretty good time in Russia.
00:18:13.000It's from Crimea, which not only has the warm water naval base, but also is the source of most of the grapes in this part of Russia for wine.
00:19:28.000We're saying it's the final hearing, because although there's a small chance that he could win this, that would only mean that he would go to a full appeal down the line, maybe eight, ten months, and that Julian will remain imprisoned.
00:19:40.000But the worst case scenario is what we're focused on, which is the most likely scenario, which is that he loses.
00:19:48.000And there will be no further appeals in the UK.
00:19:50.000That means it's the end and then the UK will move to extradite him, basically.
00:19:55.000Isn't this an entirely unprecedented situation to have someone charged with espionage and then extradited without trial?
00:20:09.000has brought an espionage case against a journalist, and this has never happened before.
00:20:15.000They've used the espionage statute, which is from 1917, and was originally written up to catch actual spies.
00:20:22.000And they're not claiming that Julian's an actual spy.
00:20:25.000They're saying, basically, that journalism can be reclassified as espionage and that publishing to the public is the same as giving information to the enemy.
00:20:36.000How has this reframing taken place almost in real time, where Julian went from a collaborator with some of the most prestigious news organisations in the legacy media world, like Le Figaro, The Spiegel, Guardian, New York Times, all of whom participated in the publishing of the caches of WikiLeaks information.
00:20:57.000How has he gone from being central to that media organisation to being maligned and imprisoned?
00:21:03.000What exactly took place to move him from being within that institution and a sort of celebrated truth teller to being a criminal?
00:21:32.000He wasn't their kind of journalist because he had a different model.
00:21:35.000WikiLeaks has what is called a scientific journalism model.
00:21:41.000You publish original source documents and then you comment on those.
00:21:45.000Whereas the media traditionally sees itself as a gatekeeper.
00:21:52.000Yes, curates the information and in a sense tells us how to interpret the information and I suppose what Julian and WikiLeaks were offering was open source information.
00:22:01.000What was hugely significant I suppose was the advent of the technology itself that allowed Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden to make, let's face it, heroic choices To blow the whistle on, in both of these cases at least, US military activity that was literally illegal.
00:22:19.000Let's forget, let's not forget that the actual crimes were committed by the United States in foreign territories.
00:22:26.000War crimes, and in the case of Edward Snowden, spying on their own citizens, or at least through their relationships with the Five Eyes Nations, on a variety of different nation citizens in ways that transgressed their own laws.
00:22:40.000It's extraordinary, really, isn't it, that those revelations have not continued to be regarded as heroic.
00:22:46.000It sort of shows you how much the cultural and media landscape has shifted in the intervening years, doesn't it?
00:22:53.000Yeah, I mean, Julian was able to publish at the time because there were anonymizing tools on the internet that he was able to harness and take advantage of to bring a new sort of journalism and to really inform the public in a way that was revolutionary and remains revolutionary.
00:23:13.000And since then the media has picked and chosen some of the aspects of what WikiLeaks introduced.
00:23:20.000But even the technology is now under attack.
00:23:25.000There is an alleged source of a different WikiLeaks publication who just got sentenced to 40 years and they used the use of anonymizing technology against him as evidence of criminality.
00:23:42.000One of the reasons that we remain fascinated by Julian's case is it represents a benchmark both in media reporting but also in the kind of righteousness or lack thereof within the political class that there are so few people Within our political communities that are willing to speak out about Julian indicates, like Keir Starmer is never going to go, it's a disgrace that Julian Assange is in prison, something's got to be done.
00:24:12.000Hilary Clinton, obviously, because she personally I suppose, suffered as a result of WikiLeaks is unlikely.
00:24:19.000So there's no figures on the left, or within the establishment left, let's say, certainly, that are willing to speak out on behalf of Julian.
00:24:28.000And also, I suppose, Julian's case provides an opportunity for people that are both on the left and the right that believe in free speech to come together in defence of The kind of values that a little while ago, ten years ago, we all understood were pivotal for any democracy, but now we seem to be negotiating on.
00:24:47.000Well, Julian's greatest sin seems to be that he is truly objective, that he's exposed everyone, and that's why you don't have the kind of You know, championing of Julian by any given party or class of people who's in power.
00:25:03.000But at the same time, that means that people from left and right also have an interest and can defend him because he is truly just a exposer of wrongdoing no matter Who is doing the wrongdoing and he's in prison not because of any crimes that he committed but because he exposed the crimes of others.
00:25:24.000Yeah that seems unusual and I suppose what you're saying is that in a way it demonstrates that there are no consistent values or principles because Julian Assange couldn't be used in a partisan fashion.
00:25:36.000He became useless to the political class because The revelations exposed hypocrisy and corruption throughout the political establishment and couldn't be particularly or specifically exploited by either party.
00:25:52.000Next week, on Tuesday and Wednesday, the hearings take place.
00:25:55.000What can we do to support that and what can the people watching this stream do?
00:26:03.000If Julian loses, which is the most likely scenario, because statistically it is most likely and what is being asked by these judges is to say that their colleague was wrong.
00:26:15.000I think it's pretty clear that Julian will lose this round and then the UK will move to extradite him.
00:26:22.000And we need a lot of people on the streets.
00:26:25.000We need a lot of noise around it if he can't be there.
00:26:30.000To basically show the establishment that they can't get away with this.
00:26:36.000It's a political case and that means that public opinion really matters.
00:26:40.000What type of reporting do you anticipate then, given what's transpired in the last 10 years?
00:26:47.000Do you imagine that this will be covered by the BBC or by CNN or even by Fox News?
00:26:54.000And what type of coverage do you envisage there being of this hearing in what we generally call the legacy media?
00:27:01.000Look, they're always the same attacks, and they're the same attacks that they had 12, 13 years ago, which have been dispelled again and again.
00:27:08.000I had a press conference yesterday, and I told the journalists there that they are misleading the public when they repeat things that I just told them were wrong.
00:27:18.000But, you know, there is maliciousness among some parts of the media, and they don't want to show what the what the real implications of this case are because I guess they're cowardly and maybe because they don't expose wrongdoing and Julian shows them to be lacking as journalists.
00:27:39.000Quen B saying in our Awakened Wonder Locals chat, my question for Stella is do you believe that Citizen Whistleblower should have the same protection as and can you just scroll back for me on that so I can see the end of that question guys?
00:29:39.000The reason I figure this is such a significant case is because
00:29:43.000we can use this to understand how much our culture has moved.
00:29:49.000We can use this case to demonstrate the lack of clear moral principles at the heart of our culture.
00:29:57.000It seems to me that our inability to have an open conversation about Julian Assange, the unwillingness and inability of the legacy media to report on it, was a significant moment in when our culture radically changed.
00:30:09.000Now, whatever you think of the Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Putin conversation, it's accepted that we all hand over control of the information we receive to centralised forces.
00:30:21.000It's become kind of normalised, the idea of censorship.
00:30:30.000What we're experiencing at the moment collectively is a kind of race, a kind of arms race in the social media space between absolute free speech and new democracies and new systems of communication and government emerging and perhaps unprecedented tyranny and I feel that if Julian Assange is extradited that will be a significant step in the wrong direction.
00:30:56.000One of my favorite clips of Julian's is one where he says that people who are connected to the Internet are the best informed generation and part of the greatest bullshit detecting mechanism that the world has ever seen.
00:31:09.000But what's happened is that the Internet has since then become manipulated.
00:31:13.000And the kind of model that WikiLeaks and Julian represent is a horizontal model of information.
00:31:19.000And of course, what the new era is, is a top down kind of filtered model to keep the public uninformed and manipulated.
00:31:29.000Yeah, and to limit conversation and to limit choice to a very small pool in both instances so that we have the illusion of choice and the illusion of information and the illusion of free speech while actually entering into a kind of banalised and bureaucratic version of tyranny that may not be obvious to us as people that were schooled on tyrannies that were militaristic and dictatorial in terms of identifiable mustachioed figures with medallions about their chest but nevertheless what we appear to be entering into now is in order for to maintain security in order to maintain safety in order to access ever greater convenience we're giving up freedom even the freedom to communicate so it's a I think it's a pivotal moment in the in this discourse isn't it Stella?
00:32:19.000Well, Julian already said about 10 years ago that we live in what he said was a media-ocracy, where the media basically determines the scope of how we see the world, what we can discuss, and so on.
00:32:34.000And so there's a different movement now.
00:32:36.000There's a popular movement, it's international, of people on the internet finding shows such as this one to get non-manipulated information which challenges the viewer as
00:33:46.000I suppose in almost every instance it's clear that war and militarized conflict is the most
00:33:56.000extreme aspect of what we're discussing.
00:33:59.000While we might continually be alert to the potential for climate change and environmental disaster to disrupt or all other trajectory of our kind, it seems to me that war and the potential for Armageddon and meltdown is one of the subjects around which we were most educated during this WikiLeaks era.
00:34:19.000In fact I'm continually referring to Julian Assange's edicts and sort of paraphrasing that the point of the Afghanistan war was to perpetuate it rather than to end it and that conflict alone cost two trillion dollars and we're about to embark on it seems like you know there's a bill Potentially being passed now to prolong the Ukraine and Russia war.
00:34:40.000Potentially spending money engaging in hostility with Iran.
00:34:45.000I wonder if this is the kind of stuff where we need more clarity of reporting and it's the kind of subjects that are being increasingly censored and where it's more and more difficult to get clarity of information.
00:34:58.000Well, of course, Russell, it's no coincidence that Julian is in prison.
00:35:02.000He's the foremost, the journalist who has done the most to expose war and really basically change the course of war towards peace.
00:35:13.000In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, he is a hero of the world who doesn't want to see war and he's in prison.
00:35:23.000And of course if he were out, if WikiLeaks had been able to continue its work as it had, then we would know a lot more about these conflicts.
00:35:36.000Stella, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:35:38.000Next week, join us live in London for Julian's final hearing.
00:35:44.000We'll post more information about that and we'll post in the chat additional information from you, Stella, about how people can support us during this.
00:35:53.000Now, it's time for us, as I just indicated, to talk a little more Here's the news.
00:35:57.000about the increasing hostility in the Middle East.
00:36:00.000As Biden's national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, refuses to rule out direct strikes on Iran
00:36:05.000and a new bill aims to secure billions more for multiple wars, are both political parties
00:36:10.000now committed to an escalation that threatens all-out war in the Middle East?
00:36:13.000Stella, thanks for joining us and we'll be talking to you more
00:36:43.000Jake Sullivan, who you might have seen at Davos, is now on MSNBC doing one of those half interviews that political figures sometimes do where they sort of go on the television and then don't even tell you anything.
00:36:55.000Are you refusing to rule out strikes inside Iran?
00:36:58.000Well, I can't say that on the television.
00:36:59.000What are you doing on the television then?
00:37:01.000So here is Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor to your President, Joe Biden, refusing to rule out strikes inside Iran.
00:37:08.000What will happen to the Middle East, and indeed the world, if America starts bombing Iran?
00:37:13.000Is it going to be great for everyone, do you think?
00:37:28.000It's responding to threats as we see them.
00:37:31.000Does your response to those threats as you see them, sometimes to the casual observer or someone who might have studied military history, look a bit like a war?
00:37:44.000Lovely phrase, significant but proportionate.
00:37:45.000That's one of those things that would have been workshopped.
00:37:48.000Yes, it was significant, but it was proportionate.
00:37:50.000People have talked a lot about proportionality when discussing the dynamics between terrorists and national armies.
00:37:55.000Well, what would be a proportionate response?
00:37:57.000And actually, it is a ridiculous word when talking about war, isn't it?
00:38:01.000Because if you talked about proportionality and reason, you'd surely get to the point where you agreed that diplomacy and peace was the best proportion to offer everybody.
00:38:11.000This rationalisation of military escalation is a curiously modern phenomena.
00:38:16.000In the days of barbarians and Mongols and Saracen swords swinging about, I think people at least knew, look, We want to be powerful.
00:39:36.000So, there are connections among these things, to be sure, but... It's weird, because then he keeps telling you that there is a connection.
00:39:42.000One thinks for certain, bombing Iran can't make this situation any better.
00:39:46.000You can't just bomb Iran and then just go, well, let's just hope that people respond to that rationally.
00:39:51.000Whether or not the Houthis are engaged in this activity in the Red Sea as a response to events in Gaza or not, the bombing of Yemen in a kind of tit-for-tat violent exchange between the American military and the Houthis is hardly likely to make the situation any better and is yet more of this fuel-to-the-flames mentality that seems very good for the military-industrial complex, very good for generating a state of anxiety around the world, extra taxation, more money for the Pentagon who can't Do any of us believe at this point that it's going to reach a resolution?
00:40:23.000That the Hoofies are going to stop doing that?
00:40:25.000This idea that you can kind of kill everyone that you don't agree with, whether it's in Canada from euthanasia or in the Red Sea through this kind of military activity is so ridiculous.
00:40:34.000And now we have the benefit of the kind of hindsight we do, whether it's the invasions and wars in Iraq and what that subsequently led to, or even the Suez Canal like nearly a century ago, 70 years ago.
00:40:44.000You kind of learn first of all of these events through a patriotic lens.
00:41:35.000I don't recognize in my own such as it is analysis of global events an agenda by Russia to start sort of getting a Madrid or New York or for China to start running around in Frankfurt.
00:41:45.000It seems like they're doing stuff in their regions that are mostly connected to trade and geographical disputes that are a significant part of their history.
00:41:53.000whereas America are bombing Yemen, where they used to bomb Vietnam and Afghanistan, all these places
00:41:58.000they thought what the hell's that got to do with us all of a sudden? What is this role and is this
00:42:03.000possibly a time to revise it? Even if it's being done with the best intentions, we have to do that,
00:42:07.000these people are savages. When we were doing it, the British, that was our idea, these people
00:42:10.000are savages, they need us to do it. And what the version of that's playing out now? Maybe it's time
00:42:15.000to review it. In Iraq and Syria we need to deal with threats to our troops and we are doing so
00:42:19.000including with the strikes the president ordered Friday night.
00:42:22.000Why are there American troops in Iraq and Syria?
00:42:24.000Because Iraq and Syria aren't in America, are they?
00:42:28.000Let me ask you, how do you respond to Iran's foreign minister calling this a strategic mistake that will destabilize the region?
00:42:37.000Is the United States bracing for a counterattack?
00:42:40.000It's weird how they manage to call things not wars but proportionate and significant responses when we've now established in the last three days America's bombed Yemen, Syria and Iraq and are sort of pondering whether or not to bomb Iran.
00:42:53.000Well I'm not a bit surprised that Iran didn't like the strikes that we took on Friday night so that would be par for the course.
00:43:01.000We are prepared to deal with anything that any group or any country tries to come at us with.
00:43:08.000And the president has been clear that we will continue to respond to threats that American forces face as we go forward.
00:43:14.000So the general posture is that America have the right to have troops in that region, protect commercial interests that possibly are at odds with other regional interests.
00:43:25.000And it's interesting when we discuss migration and border security that America or all over the world?
00:43:30.000Why the hell are these people from all over the world arriving in America?
00:43:34.000Is there anything to do with globalism that your country is engaged in at the moment?
00:43:38.000Yeah, we go around the world bombing loads of people and asserting our right to practice certain globalist principles.
00:43:44.000And when I say you, I don't mean people in America.
00:43:46.000I don't even mean your American military.
00:43:48.000I mean the forces that are behind even your government.
00:43:51.000The deep state, the military-industrial complex, who appear to benefit from the They've clearly calculated this will be a good, even way.
00:43:57.000Like whatever happens, Iran get involved in war, that'll be alright.
00:44:00.000Iran don't get involved in war, we'll just carry on.
00:44:03.000They've not thought about the impact on you economically, spiritually, psychologically, or even the mortal impact of more dead service personnel.
00:44:10.000Have you ruled out strikes inside Iran?
00:44:14.000Well, sitting here today on a national news program, I'm not going to get into what we've ruled in and ruled out from the point of view of military action.
00:44:21.000It's funny how meta the news has become.
00:44:23.000Like, everyone knows what this is and this does.
00:44:25.000Well, sitting here on a national news program, I'm not going to get in and out of what we will and won't do.
00:44:29.000Well, what's your bloody job then, mate?
00:44:31.000If you're just going to say what you won't say, what you will and won't do.
00:45:42.000Are strikes inside Iran off the table?
00:45:44.000Even the way the discourse is conducted, like strikes in Iran.
00:45:47.000This is when people are dying and stuff.
00:45:48.000If you went to any of these regions, you'd meet people with limbs blown off, and yeah, that's when Michael died.
00:45:52.000You can't even watch these kind of documentaries.
00:45:54.000You try and watch them sometimes, like maybe Michael Winterbottom will make a documentary, and it's like, yeah, this five-year-old kid died, and then you sort of think, oh, shit, oh, no, they're the same as us.
00:46:02.000I've allowed myself to think that because they've got different sounding names and they've got different outfits on, that it's all right to do this.
00:46:09.000Are strikes inside Iran off the table?
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00:48:06.000sitting here on television, it would not be wise for me to talk about what we're ruling
00:48:27.000Like, you know the Matrix, when different people are occupied by agents or whatever, you still think that these are, in a sense, just wax and motifs of a...
00:48:35.000hidden ideology and of an agenda of powers that are way beyond them. Like if she just went one
00:48:40.000day, I'm sick of this crap, like she'd be out of a job. If he went, yeah probably we're gonna
00:48:43.000bomb Iran, you're out of a job, they're irrelevant aren't they? They're just sort of, they've got
00:48:47.000probably less power than us. What's on the table and off the table when it comes to the American
00:48:51.000response. So there you go, let's get an alternative perspective on this conflict because Christine,
00:48:55.000who has many qualities, and Jake, who's adorable in his way, are not really able to give us much
00:49:00.000in the way of insight, so let's see what we can do together.
00:49:03.000On Friday, the United States carried out airstrikes on seven locations throughout Iraq and Syria in what U.S.
00:49:09.000officials said was the beginning of weeks or even months of attacks across the region.
00:49:27.000The attacks mark the beginning of our response, and there will be more steps to come, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Sunday on CNN's State of the Union.
00:49:35.000In other words, the United States' endless war in the Middle East, which has killed millions of people.
00:49:40.000Like, the way they're discussing it, it's like, sort of, what brand of cake mix you like most.
00:49:44.000And, like, millions of people have died of this not war.
00:49:47.000...and destroyed entire societies over the course of the past three decades, is entering a new and more deadly stage.
00:49:52.000Now, this has been going on for ages and ages, three decades.
00:49:54.000We've kind of got used to it, tuned it out, can't really be bothered with it, getting on with life.
00:49:58.000And now, it's escalating into, actually, we're going to need you to pay a bit more attention to this, and maybe even take a little short holiday to the Middle East.
00:50:06.000It's a one-way ticket, so it's not too pricey.
00:50:59.000The only thing that's being varnished is the truth.
00:51:01.000The back-to-back appearances by officials of both the Democratic-controlled White House and the Republican-led House of Representatives were meant to convey the unanimity within the US political establishment for the escalation of the war in the Middle East.
00:51:12.000Alright, so even the sort of curating and staging of like, here's this guy, what do you think?
00:51:49.000Look, we're just gonna do that in Yemen, then we'll do that in Syria, then that, then that, then that, then... Oh no, yeah, you're right actually, we're all gonna die as a result of this.
00:51:56.000A full-scale US war with Iran would have catastrophic human, political, and economic consequences, eclipsing even the bloodbath caused by the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
00:52:06.000One thing that's worth pointing out is that Iran do have a nuclear arsenal, which means that even though Iran sounds a bit like Iraq, remember, well, no, actually, Iraq also had weapons of mass destruction.
00:52:15.000That's why we went there, to get our hands on those weapons of mass destruction.
00:52:18.000But when we got there, wait a minute, there were no weapons of mass destruction!
00:52:22.000That means the same people are in charge now, telling us that we should go to war, 45,000 troops stationed over there, millions of people there, This whole thing's our fault!
00:52:28.000Every statement made by the White House to justify this war is a lie.
00:52:34.000The White House declares it's not seeking war with Iran and every airstrike is justified with the assertion it was not an escalation.
00:52:40.000We've reached the era where people just lie.
00:52:42.000In the immediate aftermath of 9-11, we did some things that were wrong.
00:52:45.000it but fund it. Each new illegal airstrike is presented as a defensive action to protect
00:52:49.000US troops, but the very presence of these troops in the region is the continuation of
00:52:52.000decades of bloody US wars throughout the Middle East, which have killed more than one million
00:52:56.000people and have been accompanied by the systematic and deliberate use of torture as state policy.
00:53:01.000In the immediate aftermath of 9-11, we did some things that were wrong. We tortured some
00:53:06.000folks. The US maintains over 45,000 US troops throughout the region, coupled with dozens
00:53:10.000of warships and hundreds of military aircraft.
00:53:13.000Well, that's an interesting perspective on the situation.
00:53:15.000I felt then, like if you have family members that are in the services, that maybe it's just so in us now that the service is sort of a way of life and this is part of what we do.
00:53:24.000This really forecloses on the possibility of a different vision of our future where we're not at war and the best shot for kids from, you know, what they would call flyover states is to go and die on some far-flung irrelevant campaign at the behest of globalists.
00:53:39.000Possibly a better version of reality for the people of Iran, the people of Ukraine, the people of Russia, the people of Delaware, for all of us.
00:53:46.000This can't be the best version of global events.
00:53:48.000And when you watch them discussing it on television, it becomes clear that it isn't the best version, and that they've just not thought enough about it, or they have thought about it, and the conclusions they've reached are at odds with our interests.
00:53:57.000The latest offensive in the Middle East is a crucial element of an unfolding global war centrally targeting Russia and China.
00:54:02.000The subjugation of Iran, lying at the heart of Eurasia, is a critical component of the United States' drive for global military domination.
00:54:09.000In its effort to militarily encircle and economically strangle China, Washington is seeking to drive a wedge between Beijing and Iran, which is a large oil supplier to China.
00:54:21.000A major factor in instigating the escalation against Iran is the massive setback suffered by the United States and the European imperialist powers in Ukraine.
00:54:29.000Even as US imperialism doubles down on its fight against Russia to the last Ukrainian, it has opened up another front in the global war.
00:54:37.000This is why recent events are so significant, because now we're gaining access to an entirely different perspective, and one that might be more conducive to our shared survival than the one that we're metaphorically bombarded with continually.
00:54:50.000That we are told, oh, Russia is an unprovoked aggressor.
00:54:55.000And what's clear is there is a route to peace, but it involves the withdrawal of a kind of a long established American ideology of kind of commercial imperialism, would you call it that?
00:55:05.000In his appearance on Sunday, Sullivan was keen to point out that the U.S.
00:55:08.000strikes against Yemen and conflict with Iran have absolutely nothing to do with Israel.
00:55:14.000Less than 10 days after the events of October 7th, we warned, the U.S.
00:55:18.000is using the present crisis to put into effect long-standing plans for a war with Iran, as the Middle East is in front of the U.S.
00:55:23.000war with Russia and war plans against China.
00:55:26.000Certainly, whatever the truth of that is, I've heard, and you've heard, loads and loads of times people going, we want a war with Iran, how are we going to get a war with Iran?
00:55:34.000American New Century, those boxes that Trump was meant to have had, war with Iran, it's a thing that's been going on long before I heard the word Houthi, for example.
00:55:41.000The massive armada the United States immediately sent to the Middle East was not just a show of force, it was meant to be used.
00:55:48.000Since then, the United States has mobilized its armada to repeatedly bomb Iraq and Syria while strikes on Yemen have become virtually a daily occurrence.
00:55:57.000American imperialism confronts a staggering domestic crisis in which democratic forms of government are breaking apart under the pressure of enormous and ever-expanding social inequality.
00:56:05.000Even as they are enmeshed in a bitter factional struggle that is rapidly intensifying into a full-scale constitutional crisis, both US political parties are committed to a massive escalation of war throughout the Middle East and across the globe.
00:57:48.000I mean, I'm very happy, in fact, with the degree of conviviality in that rumble chat.
00:57:54.000In the Awakened Wonder chat, I see a lot of love also.
00:57:57.000Thank you so much for joining us today, because it's important, I think, to give a voice to Stella Assange and the significant campaign of which she is Now the face.
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