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00:01:36.000Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brown.
00:01:38.000We've got a fantastic show for you today.
00:01:40.000We're asking, what's worse and what's more likely to ruin your little old life?
00:01:44.000Big tech tyranny or old school tyranny with old baddie Darth Vader, nasty figures like that.
00:01:50.000We're going to give you all the latest on the Ron DeSantis story, though if you're watching us on YouTube, we'll probably do that after we exclusively on rumble because there's layers of complexity that might
00:01:59.000be difficult for us to talk about while we're on a sensorial platform. Of course DeSantis has
00:02:04.000started a statewide jury about misrepresentation on vaccines. Also in our video Here's the News, no here's
00:02:10.000the effing news where we take a deep dive in a matter such as this we're looking at the potentially
00:02:15.000misleading claims that were made by Pfizer CEO Albert Buller who I believe wishes he was a
00:02:25.000And what better guest could we have on our show today than our fellow Rumble host, Glenn Greenwald.
00:02:31.000Glenn Greenwald is going to be talking to us, well at least I'm going to be asking him about Feeling like a political vagrant, feeling like you don't got no home in this world no more because you want to be a righteous person who loves all humanity but you're continually condemned as a conspiracy theorist and a fascist.
00:02:47.000We also want to talk to you about the propaganda around the Ukraine war.
00:02:51.000And can a fella get a decent bit of objective news in this crazy little world?
00:02:58.000If you've got any questions for us or for Glenn Greenwell, post them in the chat and we will get round to them.
00:03:04.000First of all though, in honour of the story of David Letterman interviewing Zelensky in an underground station in Ukraine, of course the big take home from that story has been that Putin, if he were to die, Which surely he will any day now, because hardly half an hour passes without hearing of some new Putin ailment.
00:03:28.000Every single day of the week, oh, he's got a liver complaint, oh, he shat himself down in the trouser.
00:03:34.000Like, if Putin were to die, the war would be over, which I think is a reductive approach to a conflict which has a deep and complex history that is being ignored in order, I think, to Negate American imperialist involvement and conceal NATO's broader agenda.
00:03:54.000But let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:03:58.000Most of the things that come out of the Letterman interview that you'll be interested in, I reckon, are this.
00:04:04.000Ukraine's president said that he believes Russia's invasion of his country would stop if Vladimir Putin, their president, were to die suddenly.
00:04:11.000Vladimir Zelensky was being interviewed by David Letterman on a subway platform in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, for Letterman's show, which is on the telly, of course.
00:04:19.000Letterman asked Zelensky, let's just say that Putin got a really bad cold and died.
00:04:26.000If anyone gets a bad cold, the only thing to do, the sensible thing to do, the judicious and prudent thing to do, is to lock down the whole country.
00:04:36.000Well, hopefully they've been tested for transmission.
00:04:39.000I have no opinion on that while we're on YouTube, but by Jove, you should see me opine once we cross that line, baby, like a man in a body warmer and a fancy hat, spouting off stuff that's based on hunches.
00:04:57.000I mean, we are an intelligent nation, some say.
00:04:59.000Not so good at World Cups, but when it comes to the cerebral matters, by God, Yeah, Letman goes, what if Putin got a bad cold and died or accidentally fell out of a window?
00:05:13.000So therefore, we were asking you and are inquiring, has everything become propagandized now?
00:05:19.000Is it impossible for the mainstream media to carry a complex narrative and invite us to ourselves investigate and examine the difficult and complex and occasionally contradictory nature of truth?
00:05:31.000We're certainly not saying that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is anything other than monstrous, or that Putin is anything other than a tyrant.
00:05:38.000We simply are inviting you to look at the conditions that may have led to this conflict and potential beneficiaries within the military-industrial complex.
00:05:47.000So, in honour of Letterman, who's a person we admire, we have created the top five questions that Letterman didn't ask Zelensky!
00:05:59.000At five, does this war in actual fact date back to 2014 when the maiden coup financed by the United States displaced pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych and installed a new US-friendly president?
00:06:12.000At four, did Boris Johnson's reported visit to Ukraine pressure you to end peace talks with Russia after Putin had said the terms you'd put forward to Russia were grounds on which he could negotiate?
00:06:23.000Would love to see that question asked.
00:06:24.000That would have been a good question to see asked.
00:06:27.000At three, is Putin solely to blame for the Western energy crisis when the nine largest energy utility companies in the U.S.
00:06:34.000raked in nearly $14 billion in combined profits during the first three quarters of this year and dished out roughly $11 billion to their wealthy shareholders?
00:06:49.000At two, does the $60 billion of aid and weapons given to Ukraine by the US government point to a proxy war with Russia or just a corrupt profiteering military-industrial complex that will receive over half of the new $850 billion Pentagon budget?
00:07:06.000Because either one there, he's got to say, oh, you're bad either way.
00:07:11.000But, at number one, the number one question that we would like to see, Lem and Ossolensky, is, are you not a bit worried there might be a nuclear war and we'll all die as a result of this potential profiteering?
00:07:22.000Not to say, of course, that Russia aren't involved in an egregious war against the innocent people of Ukraine.
00:07:28.000It's just we deserve complex reporting, not old-school propaganda that says stuff like, have you seen the Russians?
00:07:35.000All their weapons are so crap, they're using guns from Dad's army from, what's it called, the American equivalent?
00:07:43.000You know, they're trying to sort of render Russia through the old school Cold War lens.
00:07:48.000And in fact, if we were to look at old school Cold War Russia and the pledges that were made by Reagan and Gorbachev, i.e.
00:07:55.000that NATO wouldn't infringe by one inch on the former borders of the Soviet Union, then seven nations, including Belarus, et cetera, went right the way up to the Black Sea, in some way increasing tensions.
00:08:05.000If we were to get over that amnesia, an amnesia that our media continually tries to seduce us into, then perhaps we wouldn't be in this chaos.
00:08:13.000But here we are, a story that says, burning through ammo.
00:08:32.000First of all, I was like a hillbilly because I didn't have no sleeves, but now I reckon I'm a hill commie, is what I actually am.
00:08:39.000But look at some of the weapons that Russia are using.
00:08:42.000They've got these hypersonic missiles, which I think I heard it just recently from the producer of the show, actually, go on a trip around the world before exploding on their targets, which is nice.
00:08:52.000If you look at this from the missile's perspective, it's nice that it gets a little round-the-world trip, like a backpacker, before annihilating an innocent population.
00:09:01.000Yeah, this was a test last year done by China.
00:09:03.000I don't know, you've got a sting for that.
00:09:15.000And then when it accidentally broke Lois Lane's heart it flew backwards around the world and went back in time and kicked bloody General Zod right up his ball bag.
00:09:24.000Don't worry though, Ukraine have got their own missiles.
00:09:27.000Pentagon announced the US Army had awarded a 1.2 billion dollar contract to Raytheon, those guys, to produce six national advanced surface-to-air missile systems in support of efforts in Ukraine.
00:09:37.000So it looks like they've both got pretty good missiles.
00:09:39.000Right, so that's why question one that we wanted Letterman to post as Zelensky becomes relevant, argue not worried that this could escalate into a terrible, terrifying war that will needlessly claim even more lives if a diplomatic solution is taken off the table.
00:09:53.000And in spite of all these stories of the rickety, old, old-school, Beverly-Oobleys weapons that the Russians are meant to be using, look at this bad boy they're firing off into space.
00:10:40.000No, yeah, well, I don't know, in case a stupid person is accidentally watching this, we're of course laughing at the ludicrous manner in which the media renders these stories, extracting the complexity because they want us dumb, screen-staring numb fools, incapable of making decisions for ourselves.
00:10:56.000That's what we're offering you here on this channel.
00:10:58.000Let us know in the comments and the chat how you feel about the propagandization of all media, that nothing is plain, that nothing is clear.
00:11:08.000Gareth, I hope this is alright with you.
00:11:10.000After all, we are creative partners on this show.
00:11:15.000It's down to us together to create a show that's worthy of Glenn Greenwald, that's worthy of our community, of people that are trying to awaken spiritually, that are trying to run their own lives, that want to transcend the conflict-driven narratives that are causing needless rifts throughout our culture and community.
00:11:32.000Glenn's joining us in just a minute and in a sec we're going to talk about the Ron DeSantis story.
00:11:38.000He's suggesting that there ought be a statewide investigation into mRNA vaccines and we're really interested in the way that these stories around the pandemic are getting narrativized continuously even now.
00:11:52.000Vice recently done a story about how if you're not vaccinated you're also a bad driver.
00:11:58.000Which sort of seems like borderline racism type story, doesn't it?
00:12:02.000You've not been vaccinated and you're a bad driver, here is that story.
00:12:06.000Covid vaccines, let's have a look at that story.
00:12:08.000Covid vaccine refusers have 72% higher risk of a serious traffic crash, study shows.
00:12:14.000People who refuse to get the Covid vaccine are far more likely to get in a traffic crash requiring hospitalisation, a recently published study.
00:12:22.000...found adding evidence to the theory, the theory that anti-vaxxers often demonstrate other kinds of dangerous anti-social behaviour.
00:12:45.000Listen, if you're watching us on YouTube right now, we are going to have to leave you.
00:12:48.000But you can join us on Rumble right now and enjoy our content in full for free.
00:12:53.000We're going to be chatting to Glenn Greenwald in just a minute and we're moving on to the Ron DeSantis story.
00:12:57.000But because the platform YouTube, I'm sorry to say, does have a history of censoring some stories, particularly around this subject, we have to be careful.
00:13:09.000We believe it is our sworn duty to connect through truth and find new ways, new alliances, new allegiances that go beyond the condemnation of individuals on the basis of culture, but we can only do that on Rumble.
00:13:22.000So YouTube, goodbye for now, you glorious awakening wonders.
00:13:45.000There you go, that's one of the things we can do.
00:13:47.000So, yeah, don't you think, Gal, that this shows the tendency to narrativise the data that they were collecting and collating, which, by the way, they said they were never going to use again under any circumstances, cross my heart and hope to die.
00:13:59.000Now we're seeing them sort of like, ah, not only was it bad that you're an anti-vaxxer, even though we never tested for transmission, so it was your business and your business only.
00:14:08.000That's what it should have been from the get-go.
00:14:10.000If you want to get a vaccine, get a vaccine.
00:14:26.000You're being told that that didn't happen.
00:14:28.000Well, I've got this little thing called my Rememberer.
00:14:31.000And I used my rememberer to remember the things that were in the news a couple of months ago, like, hey, these anti-lockdown protesters are anti-vax morons and conspiracy theorists.
00:14:40.000These ones in China, brave heroes standing up against totalitarianism.
00:14:45.000Am I right, Gareth, or am I mad with a mental illness?
00:14:48.000Well, I think that both of those things are true at the same time.
00:14:52.000I think this is a way of just Continuing this categorization of people that I thought the idea was, I mean Joe Biden said himself, the pandemic's over.
00:15:01.000So why are these categories being sustained?
00:15:04.000It feels like the only reason would be to sustain these kind of narratives.
00:15:08.000I'm going to say something Gareth now that's so clever.
00:15:10.000I think it's, there's a real danger that it might arouse you even sexually.
00:15:15.000James Baldwin, the brilliant writer and intellectual and advocate for civil rights in the 1960s, a figure along the lines of King and Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, an advocate for the rights of black Americans, said that the creation of the category of the negro, and of course used the cruel N word also, indicates a culture that is incapable of
00:15:39.000carrying its own shadow, incapable of taking responsibility for its own malfeasance.
00:15:45.000I wonder if the creation of these categories of the condemnable other,
00:15:50.000now that the liberal establishment has elected to align itself with sort of woke identity politics,
00:15:57.000the issues around which, by the way, I'm in support of, I think that people should be happy who the hell they are
00:16:03.000and there shouldn't be racial discrimination or discrimination on the basis of
00:16:21.000You know, saying that we shouldn't, you know, we shouldn't forgive people and we need to like discard people who are unvaccinated now.
00:16:28.000And actually, when we looked at the data, a lot of the people, whilst there was a lot of people not taking it out of Mistrust of government, mistrust of authority.
00:16:35.000There were people also from minorities who were not taking it for on religious grounds or all sorts of reasons.
00:16:41.000There was diverse and varying reasons why people didn't want to take the vaccine.
00:16:46.000And you get a headline like this, which does the complete opposite.
00:16:48.000It reduces it to something like you said, calling them Nazis or whatever else it is they're saying.
00:16:53.000Do you remember when they said that people should be denied health treatment?
00:16:57.000Unvaccinated people shouldn't be given... That happened in Canada, yeah.
00:17:02.000Old Trudeau thinks that a haircut is will do instead of a spirit like instead of morals you can have a bouffant of some description.
00:17:13.000This is an interesting advance this story.
00:17:14.000Ron DeSantis has said that he's going to hold a statewide jury investigation into the efficacy of and I suppose broadly the effectiveness of mRNA So the reason I think this is a fascinating story is because it's the first time a mainstream, although divisive, political figure has ever said, we're going to investigate the vaccines themselves.
00:17:38.000Not the lockdowns, not the measures around it, not the mask work or not mask wear, not is it legal, which it bloody well isn't, to prevent people from leaving their homes.
00:17:48.000Not that this is expedited the advance of technological dictatorship.
00:17:52.000Just outright come out and said, The vaccines themselves should be investigated.
00:17:57.000Now, me, and I can say this on this platform, the very fact that Pfizer were keen to boot the results 75 years into the future makes me think there's stuff in there they don't want you to know.
00:18:08.000I mean, like, I don't know if that makes me a conspiracy theorist.
00:18:11.000Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
00:19:22.000Let me know at home if you feel the same way.
00:19:23.000When you're talking to people like this they go, oh do you know that they never tested for transmission?
00:19:27.000You know that there's an investigation now?
00:19:29.000You know that they've booted it 75 years in the future?
00:19:31.000You know that with children's vaccines they've said it was 100% effective then 90% effective and ultimately down to about 12% effective when natural immunity is 75% effective?
00:19:39.000You know it used to be illegal to, or banned at least, talking about natural immunity.
00:20:17.000So today, I'm announcing a petition with the Supreme Court of Florida to impanel a statewide grand jury to investigate any and all wrongdoing in Florida with respect to COVID-19 vaccines.
00:20:34.000And we anticipate that we will get the approval for that.
00:20:37.000That will be something that will be impaneled most likely in the Clapping.
00:20:46.000Do you think this is a turning point, you guys, in the chat, in the comments?
00:20:48.000Does this make you appreciate Ron DeSantis more?
00:20:50.000Does this make you think that the Republican Party have more validity than the Democrat Party?
00:20:54.000I don't know which way you're going to go on that particular line of inquiry.
00:20:59.000Does this mean now that it's OK to openly question vaccine efficacy?
00:21:04.000Because let me tell you, at the other place, YouTube, where we've got the six million awakening wonders, you cannot, for example... What are some of the things we can't say that they're... Well, I mean, really, it's... The guidelines are set to WHO guidelines.
00:21:46.000And also hit us up with your questions for Glenn Greenwald.
00:21:49.000We're going to give you our presentation on Pfizer CEO Albert Baller's claims around vaccine efficacy and how it's being increasingly revealed that they were indeed misleading in our presentation that I like to call it.
00:22:21.000There are marginal benefits and considerable profits but mostly marginal benefits.
00:22:29.000You know that child vaccines do have an impact, but the nature of that impact has been discussed, debated, criticized, and at points dismissed.
00:22:38.000Albert Baller, wish I was a bit taller, CEO of Pfizer, he was very, very keen for everyone to take vaccines.
00:25:32.000🎵 So there you go, the narrative has altered somewhat over
00:25:48.000the past couple of years, but how did we get here?
00:25:51.000And how is it that child vaccines are still being pushed after an obvious transition in the appreciation of their efficacy?
00:25:58.000Pfizer's CEO, Albert Baller, has been rapped by the UK's pharmaceutical watchdog for making misleading statements about children's vaccines.
00:26:06.000I mean, he did say they are anything from 100% effective to actually bad for you, so at least some of those statements were true.
00:26:13.000Dr Albert Baller used an interview with the BBC last December to claim that there is no doubt in my mind that the benefits completely are in favour of vaccinating youngsters aged 5 to 11 against Covid-19.
00:26:24.000You can't use your own mind as a reference point for something that's apparently objective.
00:27:07.000Shortly after the article's publication, a complaint was submitted to the pharmaceutical watchdog, the Prescription Medicine's Code of Practice Authority, PMCPA, alleging that Dr. Baller's remarks about the children's vaccine were disgracefully misleading and extremely promotional in nature.
00:27:20.000Oh, wow, what, like, their preference that you take the vaccine's not because the vaccine's beneficial, but because the vaccine's profitable.
00:27:27.000Wow, was anybody saying that for Oh yeah, those people were all banned from saying that, almost like the promotion was being promoted over actual science and news.
00:27:39.000But that's weird, because I remember everyone saying, follow the science.
00:27:53.000There is simply no evidence that healthy school children in the UK are at significant risk from the SARS-CoV-2 virus and to imply that they are is disgracefully misleading they said.
00:28:02.000Didn't, like, lots of us say, oh, look, blessedly, seems that kids are okay.
00:28:07.000Old people and sick people, shit, what a nightmare.
00:28:09.000It seems to be having a terrible impact on them.
00:28:11.000I guess there's a conversation around whether or not these medications are effective for them.
00:28:16.000Probably not if people are invested heavily in the arts of being, yes, take the vaccine, because they'll probably say everyone should take the vaccine.
00:28:23.000And God, if the government sort of get out of control, they'll start locking people in their houses if they don't take them and looking for new reasons.
00:28:29.000Listen, Just because I wear stupid hats, it doesn't mean I'm an idiot.
00:28:32.000I'm actually paying close attention to what's going on, and I know you are as well.
00:28:36.000Let me know in the comments, let me know in the chat if you're noticing how we're cycling through these stories, how you're being asked to ignore information that just a couple of months ago you weren't even allowed to or permitted to say.
00:28:47.000So what does that tell us about the future?
00:28:49.000What it tells us about the present is stay awake, stay focused.
00:28:52.000If there's no evidence that children should take vaccines, then the children shouldn't take vaccines.
00:28:57.000So why are that board recommending it?
00:28:59.000I suppose what they're saying is it's not dangerous, but they've created so much fear that at this point, people are going to be sort of led, biased.
00:29:04.000We've been so conditioned, indoctrinated.
00:29:22.000In September 2021, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, JCVI, had advised against a mass rollout for children aged 12 to 15, saying the margin of benefit was considered too small and citing the low risk to healthy children.
00:29:36.000But less than a fortnight later, ministers gave the green light for youngsters to be given a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech jab.
00:29:42.000Now, you have to question whether that was for economic reasons or health reasons, don't you?
00:29:47.000Then you have to question the whole thing.
00:29:49.000I mean, let's not get into conspiracy theories.
00:31:15.000What kind of speak can I like and rely on this?
00:31:17.000And could be substantiated by the publicly available independent benefit risk assessments.
00:31:21.000Well, I wonder where they're fucking funded.
00:31:23.000Earlier in November an appeal board met to consider the arguments, the breaches of the code relating to misleading the public, making unsubstantiated claims and the lack of balance were upheld.
00:31:33.000You talk about there's a great story and we don't have time to get into it.
00:31:36.000Here is Baller getting his balls licked on the television in what passes for news on the mainstream.
00:31:41.000That's why you have to turn on the notification bell and subscribe otherwise this is the shit they'll feed you.
00:31:45.000When you found out the efficacy of the vaccine you gather everybody on a Sunday morning and you guys would have been happy it was 50 to 70 percent effective and it was.
00:32:23.000It's a business, and a very, very profitable one that's been given considerable support by the media and the government.
00:32:29.000We're back 740 with In Depth today, and this morning we're focusing on COVID and kids.
00:32:33.000OK, according to an alarming new study conducted by New York State, Pfizer's vaccine, while 48% effective... Oh, it was 48%, I thought it was 96%.
00:34:06.000Throughout the pandemic, our communications have been focused on providing clarity regarding the progress of our science and supporting transparent scientific exchange in the interests of public health.
00:34:26.000In the US, Sludge has revealed that in 2021, as Americans consumed record amounts of vaccines, the drug industry's chief lobbying group surpassed $609 million in revenues, a new record.
00:34:35.000In February, Pfizer forecast that its revenue this year will grow to a total between $98 billion and $102 billion, the highest estimate the 173-year-old pharmaceutical company has ever given for annual sales.
00:35:00.000Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca both promised to sell their vaccines on a non-profit basis.
00:35:04.000Johnson & Johnson even committed to charging a single price worldwide, rather than charging countries like the United States more.
00:35:09.000Pfizer chairman Albert Baller was also emphatic.
00:35:12.000His company was developing a Covid vaccine for the good of humanity, not for money, he told Time magazine in July 2020, when it was convenient to do so and it wouldn't be held to that statement in later years.
00:36:01.000Only if the margin is all the way around the universe and back to the other side of the margin, because it's the biggest margin they've ever bloody had.
00:36:08.000So what do you think about follow the science now?
00:36:10.000What do you think about the efficacy of these vaccines now?
00:36:13.000What do you think about these shifting statistics?
00:36:15.000What do you think About the censorship.
00:36:16.000What do you think about the inability of your government to say, hey, how about a massive windfall tax on those profits?
00:36:21.000What do you think about proper regulations of businesses like that?
00:36:24.000That they ought to, particularly in a health crisis, be held to the promises and pledges they made when they knew it was the right thing to say.
00:36:30.000Shouldn't you stick to those promises when it's the right thing to do?
00:36:32.000Have you noticed there's a cost of living crisis going on right now?
00:36:35.000And yet there's money swirling around in big pharma companies, big tech companies, energy companies.
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00:38:08.000Came to bring some order and structure to your show again, and I'm happy to do that.
00:38:13.000Well, at least you know how challenging it is.
00:38:16.000Yes, I was yelling at you right before the show that you did not sufficiently warn me about how difficult it is to produce a daily one-hour live program, which we began doing with our own show this Monday, and it is indeed quite difficult, though most people probably don't want to hear our whining about it.
00:38:35.000It's just, if you care about your audience and you care about the quality of the show, it is a heavy burden, but it's also fun.
00:38:42.000Seems to be one you're bearing quite well, not just because of meditation, but because of a lifetime of investigative journalistic skill and deep integrity.
00:38:50.000We're going to just take a little look, Glenn, if it's okay with you, at your debut show and your conversation with Matt Tobey.
00:39:38.000So part of the idea was to let me look at the guests, have the guests be able to look at me, or at least see me looking at them.
00:39:44.000But also, I think, particularly for adversarial interviews, it makes it The dynamic much better when you're actually confronting the person in a normal way that human beings are speaking.
00:39:53.000We're still working with it because you can see, you'll see the screen of the guest is much lower than me.
00:39:59.000So I look like this giant towering over the person looking down at them, which might have subconsciously been the goal, but we're going to fix that and bring it to a more even playing field.
00:40:10.000This is a show where you admonish pipsqueaks that aren't fit to lace your boots.
00:40:15.000Glenn, one of the main things I wanted to ask you, because whilst there are clear and evident distinctions between us in terms of not least your professional excellence and integrity, one thing that I think we perhaps share is a sense that I for most of my life felt that I was a broadly speaking left oriented socially liberal progressive person who believed that anti-establishment discourse was the function of the left.
00:40:41.000Do you feel somehow like a vagrant now on what has shifted significantly in the last five years to mean that figures like yourself Chris Hedges and you know I could go on Noam Chomsky have become sort of casually labeled fascists in spite of a backstory that You know, it's bizarre, whenever people say, oh, you've become this far right fascist, I show them things I've said, tweets and other things, not from, you know, 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, but in the last two years, things like,
00:41:11.000I think Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister of the UK would be one of the most important and encouraging political developments in decades.
00:41:19.000I interviewed Ivo Morales shortly after he was the victim of a military coup in Bolivia.
00:41:24.000I went to Mexico City, did one of the first interviews, and heaped praise on him and talked about the dangers of this coup.
00:41:31.000Obviously I've had a long time relationship with Lula da Silva here in Brazil.
00:41:36.000I encourage people to support AOC and her 2018 campaign.
00:41:39.000So occasionally I show this to people and say, please fucking reconcile, you know, my gushing support for people like Jeremy Corbyn, Ivo Morales, Lula da Silva, you know, even AOC, not all people for whom I harbor some criticism and critiques, none of them is perfect, but all people whom I've supported pretty fervently in very recent history, and of course no one can do that.
00:42:03.000And I think that's because, and I just did a show on this last night, actually, when
00:42:07.000the Washington Post decided to label Barry Weiss and Matt Taibbi, the two journalists
00:42:12.000principally responsible for this new Twitter files story, as, quote, conservative journalists,
00:42:17.000even though you'd be very hard-pressed to find a single belief of either of them that
00:42:22.000could be reasonably described as conservative.
00:42:24.000I mean, Barry Weiss is a fanatical supporter of Israel, but so is virtually every member
00:42:44.000And that's because, Russell, I think what has most changed And of course no one on the left likes to acknowledge this because they don't want to think of themselves this way, is that in many ways liberal left orthodoxy has become the hegemonic dominant ideology of many centers of power, of academia, of media, of Hollywood and increasingly even
00:43:04.000security state, which saw Donald Trump as a grave menace and therefore aligned the CIA and the NSA and the FBI with Democrats and liberals and even some leftists.
00:43:14.000And this shift in terms of who actually commands institutions of authority, who likes them and who distrusts them, is really the radical change.
00:43:23.000And it's kind of happened around us while we've stayed in the same place.
00:43:27.000And is it because this is evidently at odds with the core principles of just a decade or two ago that there has to be this emphatic focus on, for example, identity, politics and civil and cultural issues in order to maintain at least the appearance of difference when, broadly speaking, the heart of these political establishments is being co-opted by economic interests?
00:43:50.000And does it mean this necessity for the extraction of critical thinking, because there is a requirement now, for truly sanitized and a unilateral media news message but even that there's been this odd merging of propaganda news and entertainment of which Letterman's interview with Zelensky could be seen as just the latest example a kind of puff piece and I almost feel fearful of bringing up the subject Glenn because I feel like what I'm saying is that oh Zelensky's not a hero or
00:44:18.000The suffering of Ukrainian people is not important, or that Putin's not a tyrant, or Russia's actions aren't egregious, when all I'm simply trying to do is say that there are numerous factors that are being extracted from the story, and I'm not comfortable with that, and I'm afraid, particularly as it seems like this conflict could have dire global consequences.
00:44:37.000Yeah, I think there's a lot going on there.
00:44:40.000You know, I think, first of all, identity politics is absolutely this incredibly potent tool of perpetuating the status quo while glorifying its guardians as somehow revolutionary.
00:44:52.000You know, the emergence, for example, of Hakeem Jeffries The black New York Democrat to the position of House leadership was celebrated as this generational change because he's younger than Nancy Pelosi as the first ever black leader, which is true of political party.
00:45:07.000But in every single sense, Hakeem Jeffries is the living, breathing embodiment of the sleazy corporatist politics that dominates both parties.
00:45:16.000He hates the squad and the left and anything populist or anti-establishment.
00:45:21.000It was AOC in 2018, one of the things she said that convinced me to think that she was going to be a positive force is when I asked her about identity politics, she describes such people as Trojan horses.
00:45:31.000People who are there to kind of put a black or a brown or a gay or a female face on status quo institutions.
00:45:38.000The first time I ever noticed this was when the GCHQ, the British version of the NSA, Actually draped itself in the colors of the rainbow flag.
00:45:46.000They lit their UFO style building up in the rainbow flag and said, look, we love LGBTs and liberals applauded, even though it's still the most pernicious surveillance agency in the West.
00:45:57.000So that's part of it is it's extremely easy.
00:45:59.000To have this kind of diversity where you celebrate the first black board of director of the Raytheon or the first female head of derivatives at Goldman Sachs, and you're casting the appearance that something has changed when in reality it's the most superficial way of changing it.
00:46:14.000And it's very easy to do that kind of politics because it's much easier than changing the institutions themselves.
00:46:21.000The second thing I think is that Donald Trump really became this kind of scapegoat for every major problem in the West.
00:46:28.000He wasn't presented as what I think he is, which is the byproduct of, or a symptom of, or a reflection of long-standing systemic problems.
00:46:36.000He was presented as the author or the cause, like the singular evil, and that had the effect of whitewashing everything that came before him.
00:46:43.000So you have all these Bush-Cheney warmongers and war criminals, Who used to be hated, now they dislike Donald Trump, and suddenly they're all embraced because if you believe Donald Trump is the new Hitler, it kind of makes sense to say that's the only question that matters, and if you're against Donald Trump, you're on the side of good, and if you in any way question the narrative against him, then you must be a Trump supporter and therefore on the side of bad.
00:47:07.000And then finally, I do think institutions of authority have really sharpened their propaganda skills.
00:47:13.000I mean, if you go back before the Russian invasion, Ukraine, you will find every major outlet in the West
00:47:19.000warning that Ukraine is dominated by neo-Nazi militias, not just a couple here and there, but
00:47:24.000dominated by them, that Zelensky is a corrupt figure who was put into power by corrupt
00:47:31.000Ukrainian billionaires. And the entire narrative changed overnight, where not only did that not
00:47:37.000get said anymore, if you said any of that, you got instantly deemed to be a Russian agent or a Kremlin
00:47:44.000propagandist. I was actually put on a formal list by the Ukrainian government for questioning
00:47:49.000some of these narratives, even though questioning the most dangerous war we've had since the
00:47:54.000Cuban Missile Crisis, which is what Joe Biden called it, where you have the United States and
00:47:58.000Russia, the two largest nuclear powers on the planet, on opposite sides of a proxy war. You're
00:48:03.000You have to question that, but there is no questioning allowed.
00:48:06.000Zelensky's like this Marvel, you know, film hero, this kind of embodiment of pure good.
00:48:11.000And so I think the propaganda has become much more sophisticated.
00:48:15.000And as you said, unified across politics, entertainment and media in a way that I think is very alarming.
00:48:22.000I'm reminded of a Albert Maisel's quote that tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance therefore this propagandist machine is going to be about simplification it cannot accommodate complexity because complexity will always reveal what's actually happening that the establishment as you have described has become is now the orthodox liberal establishment and their Interest, therefore, traditionally aligned with the kind of financial and economic interest that we've always understood to be represented on a global level.
00:48:52.000Do you think, Glenn, that the Trump era is over and is now sort of that that kind of populist appeal is migrating to DeSantis?
00:49:02.000Do you think that DeSantis' statewide investigation into the efficacy of mRNA vaccines is a pivotal moment?
00:49:11.000And do you and which of those two So, very sort of competent orators and libertarian figures,
00:49:19.000do you think represents the future of that side of American politics?
00:49:25.000What interested me most about Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, and I emphasize campaign because
00:49:32.000in many ways the government itself didn't follow through on a lot of this, often despite
00:49:37.000It sort of ignored Trump or overrode his will.
00:49:40.000But the 2016 iteration of Trump was not just an attack on Democratic Party politics, but even more so Republican orthodoxy.
00:49:49.000The foreign policy of Dick Cheney and George Bush and neocons.
00:49:54.000You know, Trump was questioning the viability of NATO.
00:49:58.000Um, why we're always in these regime change wars, why we're not using our resources to take care of our own people.
00:50:03.000At one point, he even said the United States should be more neutral when it comes to Israel and Palestine, the ultimate heresy.
00:50:13.000And then even on the economic level, you know, he said cutting taxes for corporations and for the wealthy, you know, is not something I intend to do.
00:50:24.000This was the Steve Bannon design plan.
00:50:27.000And it scared the shit out of neoliberal establishment orders in the West.
00:50:31.000When you question NATO, when you question global trade, when you question neoliberal economics, when you question endless war and imperialism, that's what turned the establishment so against Trump.
00:50:43.000So, of course, Ron DeSantis wants to copy some of this.
00:50:46.000I think he's adopted some of the stylistic successes of Trump, this kind of, like, very aggressive defiance toward the media that, of course, all of us love to watch because we all hate the media.
00:50:56.000He is adopting and commandeering some of these cultural war issues in a very shrewd way.
00:51:02.000But if you look at Ron DeSantis' record when he was in the House of Representatives, and even the things he said while he's governor, he looks a lot to me like this more traditional kind of Republican You know, more like a Mike Pompeo who kind of cleverly insinuated himself into the Trump world but doesn't really believe in or embrace any of those heterodox populist views that made Donald Trump so frightening to the establishment.
00:51:29.000Whether, you know, we haven't heard from DeSantis for a while on foreign policy because he's been, you know, governor of Florida and it makes sense that we shouldn't.
00:51:37.000My guess though is he's much more of a traditional Republican than Trump is, and the establishment will be much more comfortable with Iran DeSantis than with Donald Trump, but they'll try and sell DeSantis as kind of a more responsible version of Trump to get Trump supporters on board, but in reality it will be the GOP establishment retaking power in the party.
00:51:57.000If this kind of populist rhetoric, adopted by the right but abandoned in government, is so effective in corralling an electoral support, why does the Democrat Party not use it?
00:52:12.000Is it because, as you've just explained, they've been co-opted by economic and financial interests?
00:52:16.000And does that therefore mean that there is room for a political movement that tries at least to legitimately deliver on the mandate that these populist figures keep garnering?
00:52:26.000Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, one of the most significant political figures in the last, say, 50 years in Western politics was Bill Clinton.
00:52:34.000I mean, I kind of see, like, his mirror image being Tony Blair, in that they took the Democratic Party, the Labor Party, and very consciously remade it into a party that was in bed with financial elites in particular, but also foreign policy elites as well.
00:52:48.000And if you look at Obama, who was the Democratic president after Bill Clinton, he was very much in that tradition as well.
00:52:55.000And for a while they continued to try and maintain this, you know, branding that the Democratic Party is, you know, the party of the common person, the working class person, you know, and you can fool people for a while with that stuff.
00:53:07.000But for, you know, I think what really opened people's eyes, the way like I think the Iraq war did a lot for people of our age, I think the 2008 financial crisis was the thing that opened a lot of people's eyes when they
00:53:19.000saw President Obama rush to protect the very Wall Street barons who caused the
00:53:24.000crisis in the first place and pretty much allowed everyone else to suffer. Their
00:53:28.000homes were foreclosed and masked, they lost all their jobs. And that I think is when people
00:53:32.000started realizing the Democratic Party is this very kind of like cosmopolitan, elite-based
00:53:38.000party run by people who went to Harvard and Princeton and Yale to work in all of the sort
00:53:45.000And their cultural views are very anathema to huge numbers of working people who might otherwise support the Democratic Party.
00:53:51.000And that's what gave Trump that opening.
00:53:53.000Go back and watch what he was saying in 2016.
00:53:56.000You know, he was saying Washington is corrupt.
00:53:58.000I know this because I used to go and give checks to politicians and I got whatever I wanted as a result.
00:54:04.000You know, and I think The fact that there are millions of people, Russell, millions, who twice voted for Obama and then voted for Trump is something that makes no sense to elite journalists who only see the world through this Democratic versus Republican lens.
00:54:17.000They think that's either a byproduct of stupidity or ignorance or just incoherence, but it's so clear why it happened.
00:54:24.000It's because Obama presented himself as an outsider to the establishment, and then so did Trump, and that's what people's politics are, is anti-establishment more than anything else.
00:54:34.000If this is the beginning of a truly anti-establishment era, and that is the one thing, of course, that the establishment cannot afford to gain momentum, does that mean that new technology, new platforms like these ones, have an obligation to get beyond critiques and analysis and into the business of genuine political movements?
00:54:52.000Do you also think, Glenn, that there are peculiar, almost Freudian slips in real time occurring when figures of evident senility are
00:55:01.000in presidential power mimicking almost history where a King George the
00:55:06.000Third's decline into madness brought about the advent of contemporary democracy.
00:55:12.000Do you think that what is truly required is an anti-establishment trans-political
00:55:18.000movement that embraces the best of libertarianism, the best of the social
00:55:22.000justice movement, the best of the temporal popularity gained by figures
00:55:26.000like Corbyn and Sanders, whether you have strong views on...
00:55:31.000Do you think that the time is now, or is the system so elegantly made that true independent anti-establishment politics will always be neutered and will inevitably fail?
00:55:46.000No, I'm not pessimistic about that in any way.
00:55:49.000I do think you've described the war perfectly, and there is a war.
00:55:53.000Establishments do not give up power easily.
00:55:56.000They attempt to crush or destroy anything that becomes a formidable force against them.
00:56:01.000That's what censorship is about online.
00:56:03.000They're trying to silence people who are emerging as true threats to their hegemonic control over the flow of information.
00:56:11.000They're trying to attack platforms like Rumble as this like sewer of right-wing disinformation.
00:56:17.000European Union states like France and Germany are threatening to remove Rumble.
00:56:21.000In fact, in France, you can't get Rumble right now because they refuse France's order to de-platform RT.
00:56:28.000So you see this kind of competing war taking place.
00:56:32.000I think part of what we're doing at the risk of glorifying what it is,
00:56:37.000It's the fact that, you know, we are able to find such large audiences even though we have no major corporations behind us.
00:56:45.000I mean, our shows, you know, are quickly surpassing cable shows because people no longer trust that part of the corporate media.
00:56:53.000They know that they're getting lied to.
00:56:55.000They know what those corporate media Institutions are designed to do and that are not in their interest, they're seeking alternatives.
00:57:03.000And I think when you do something like decide to go exclusively on a platform like Rumble that has proven its willingness to defy censorship orders, to platform people who are otherwise persona non grata in other media institutions, that is a political act.
00:57:20.000What you're essentially saying is I'm going to use the influence I have to allow there to be spaces on the internet that still are immune to the dictates and decrees of establishment power about who and cannot be heard.
00:57:33.000I'm going to strengthen these platforms on purpose because I believe this is where anti-establishment politics can take root.
00:57:40.000I also think that a lot of people are coming to see the uselessness of these old traditional right versus left,
00:57:46.000liberal versus conservative, even democratic versus Republican labels
00:57:49.000that are really meant to keep us divided and hating one another, hating your neighbor,
00:57:53.000hating your colleague, hating your coworker, instead of directing it at the actual centers of power.
00:58:00.000And it's the reason why I know it's true for my audience, I'm sure it's true for yours,
00:58:04.000that probably a third of your audience are probably leftist,
00:58:07.000a third of your audience are probably conservatives, a third of your audience just doesn't know
00:59:49.000I believe in the ability to be an effective communicator and to disseminate information and analysis to people that can Make them change how they perceive the world to kind of liberate them from captivity to this framework that has been imposed upon them really almost in some senses from childhood and you know none of us is immune to this and you know the ability to communicate the flow of information is a very powerful tool that is why Russell
01:00:16.000You know, so many establishment institutions are now so devoted to censoring it because they recognize how powerful that tool is in their hands.
01:00:25.000If you can control the flow of information that populations receive and the information they don't receive, you can essentially make them think whatever you want and therefore do whatever you want.
01:00:36.000So the act of Providing them alternatives to saying, here's a different way of looking at this.
01:00:41.000Here's information that they don't want you to see.
01:00:44.000Here are the actual ways of understanding what's happening.
01:00:48.000It is a political act by its very nature.
01:00:50.000If it weren't, I wouldn't bother with it.
01:00:52.000Like, why would I wake up every day and want to do something that really was just about talking that had no consequence?
01:00:57.000If you're a kind of impotent and ineffective, you know, fake dissident, then they'll either ignore you or co-opt you, right?
01:01:06.000Like, that's the reason why AOC or Bernie Sanders, for all the claims that they're some kind of, like, great—you can never even conceive that those kind of people would ever get banned from Twitter or Facebook.
01:01:18.000And you know that because they're not a threat to anyone.
01:01:21.000They're not getting attacked by anyone.
01:01:23.000You know, the way you know that you're being threatening is when they come after you.
01:01:27.000You know, when I did the Snowden reporting, the reason I knew that it was so damaging was they tried to do everything they could to intimidate us, to threaten us with arrest.
01:01:35.000When I did the Brazil reporting, I knew it was destabilizing the Bolsonaro government because they tried to prosecute me for it.
01:01:41.000When I see people getting censored, when I see platforms like Rumble being attacked in multiple ways, that's the testament To its efficacy.
01:01:50.000And so, yeah, I'm really optimistic, Russell, about the ability to build these spaces because it's not just about talking, it's about moving hearts and minds.
01:02:00.000And, you know, we don't need us to say that.
01:02:04.000Just look at the way it's being attacked.
01:02:06.000That's the proof of how effective and threatening it is.
01:02:13.000And for now, the best thing we can do is to continue to support these platforms, continue to participate in this conversation, and to refuse to be kowtowed or distracted by the glamour, knowing that whatever they offer us now Next, when it comes to the crunch, like Blair in Iraq, when it comes to the crunch with Obama and the crisis, they will return to type.
01:02:32.000The system only presents alternatives that are phony.
01:02:35.000It will never give you viable alternatives.
01:02:37.000And the attacks that these platforms and our movement faces is proof in itself of its legitimacy.
01:02:43.000Glenn, thank you so much for joining us and for giving us your time.
01:02:47.000Thank you so much for Giving this platform the credibility that your excellence no doubt gives it.
01:02:53.000Glenn's show is on weeknights at 7 p.m.
01:03:21.000Thank you so much for joining us, and good luck with the show.
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01:03:33.000We're going to be watching some clips of Stevo, who's joining us tomorrow.
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