Stay Free - Russel Brand - December 14, 2022


Putin’s Death - Is THIS How The War Could End? - #046 - Stay Free with Russell Brand

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Glenn Greenwald Pfizer Vladimir Zelensky Donald Trump Albert Baller Vladimir Putin Ron DeSantis Russell Brand Gareth Obama Matt Taibbi Joe Biden Boris Johnson Jeremy Corbyn Martin Luther King Stay Free AF David Letterman Hillary Clinton Ivo Morales Barry Weiss and 36 more
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Glenn Greenwald joins us to talk about feeling like a political vagrant, feeling like you don t have a home in this world, and how to get a decent bit of objective news in this crazy little world. We also take a deep dive into the latest on the Ron DeSantis story, and take a look at the propaganda around the Ukraine conflict, including the claims that if Putin were to die suddenly, the war would be over. And, of course, there's the usual nonsense about vaccines and Darth Vader. This episode is brought to you by RUMBLE, the excellent podcast produced by Russell Brown and his co-hosts, Ben Price and Mark Phillips. Rumele is on all of the social medias, if you search for it, you'll find us. If you like the show, please consider leaving us a five star rating and a review on Apple Podcasts by clicking here. We'll be looking out for your comments and questions in the comments section below. Stay tuned for our next episode on the Tesla Model Y review, which will be out soon! Stay free, Stay free! Cheers, EJ & Russell. - The Best Fiends - Stay Free, Ej and Ej Ej & Efek Thank you for listening to Stay Free with Russell Brown & Ej's show Stay Free! - Ej is a big thank you to Ej for supporting the show and EJ for making it possible for us to bring you the best podcast in the world. and for supporting us to you get the best show in the best possible listening experience you can get the most authentic and most accessible and the most entertaining podcast experience in the whole world, anywhere you can find the best of the best place to listen to the best thing on the best and most authentic version of what you can do the most of what they can do for you, the best, the most honest and most inspirational podcast on the most beautiful thing in the most affordable and most uplifting place on the whole thing, anywhere in the place you can help us all can do it all, the ultimate review, the RUMBLY! EJ is a must-listening to it all. You're not going to get more than just one thing, right here on the internet, you're not gonna get more of it, right there on the airwaves, right across the whole internet, no matter where you're listening to it?

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00:01:15.000 This video In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:01:34.000 Hello there you Awakening Wonders.
00:01:36.000 Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brown.
00:01:38.000 We've got a fantastic show for you today.
00:01:40.000 We're asking, what's worse and what's more likely to ruin your little old life?
00:01:44.000 Big tech tyranny or old school tyranny with old baddie Darth Vader, nasty figures like that.
00:01:50.000 We're going to give you all the latest on the Ron DeSantis story, though if you're watching us on YouTube, we'll probably do that after we exclusively on rumble because there's layers of complexity that might
00:01:59.000 be difficult for us to talk about while we're on a sensorial platform. Of course DeSantis has
00:02:04.000 started a statewide jury about misrepresentation on vaccines. Also in our video Here's the News, no here's
00:02:10.000 the effing news where we take a deep dive in a matter such as this we're looking at the potentially
00:02:15.000 misleading claims that were made by Pfizer CEO Albert Buller who I believe wishes he was a
00:02:20.000 little bit taller.
00:02:22.000 He does wish he was just a little bit taller.
00:02:22.000 Is that true?
00:02:25.000 And what better guest could we have on our show today than our fellow Rumble host, Glenn Greenwald.
00:02:31.000 Glenn Greenwald is going to be talking to us, well at least I'm going to be asking him about Feeling like a political vagrant, feeling like you don't got no home in this world no more because you want to be a righteous person who loves all humanity but you're continually condemned as a conspiracy theorist and a fascist.
00:02:47.000 We also want to talk to you about the propaganda around the Ukraine war.
00:02:51.000 And can a fella get a decent bit of objective news in this crazy little world?
00:02:55.000 Hit rumble right now.
00:02:57.000 Let us know your comments.
00:02:58.000 If you've got any questions for us or for Glenn Greenwell, post them in the chat and we will get round to them.
00:03:04.000 First of all though, in honour of the story of David Letterman interviewing Zelensky in an underground station in Ukraine, of course the big take home from that story has been that Putin, if he were to die, Which surely he will any day now, because hardly half an hour passes without hearing of some new Putin ailment.
00:03:28.000 Every single day of the week, oh, he's got a liver complaint, oh, he shat himself down in the trouser.
00:03:34.000 Like, if Putin were to die, the war would be over, which I think is a reductive approach to a conflict which has a deep and complex history that is being ignored in order, I think, to Negate American imperialist involvement and conceal NATO's broader agenda.
00:03:54.000 But let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:03:58.000 Most of the things that come out of the Letterman interview that you'll be interested in, I reckon, are this.
00:04:04.000 Ukraine's president said that he believes Russia's invasion of his country would stop if Vladimir Putin, their president, were to die suddenly.
00:04:11.000 Vladimir Zelensky was being interviewed by David Letterman on a subway platform in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, for Letterman's show, which is on the telly, of course.
00:04:19.000 Letterman asked Zelensky, let's just say that Putin got a really bad cold and died.
00:04:23.000 Well, I mean, really bad cold.
00:04:25.000 Locked down the whole country.
00:04:26.000 If anyone gets a bad cold, the only thing to do, the sensible thing to do, the judicious and prudent thing to do, is to lock down the whole country.
00:04:35.000 Vaccine for that?
00:04:36.000 Oh! 0.60
00:04:36.000 Well, hopefully they've been tested for transmission. 0.60
00:04:39.000 I have no opinion on that while we're on YouTube, but by Jove, you should see me opine once we cross that line, baby, like a man in a body warmer and a fancy hat, spouting off stuff that's based on hunches.
00:04:50.000 Not just hunches, though.
00:04:51.000 Diligent research from some of the finest minds in all England, and therefore the world.
00:04:56.000 Let me know in the chat.
00:04:57.000 I mean, we are an intelligent nation, some say.
00:04:59.000 Not so good at World Cups, but when it comes to the cerebral matters, by God, Yeah, Letman goes, what if Putin got a bad cold and died or accidentally fell out of a window?
00:05:08.000 Would this continue?
00:05:09.000 Zelensky responded, no, there would be no war.
00:05:12.000 There wouldn't be.
00:05:13.000 So therefore, we were asking you and are inquiring, has everything become propagandized now?
00:05:19.000 Is it impossible for the mainstream media to carry a complex narrative and invite us to ourselves investigate and examine the difficult and complex and occasionally contradictory nature of truth?
00:05:31.000 We're certainly not saying that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is anything other than monstrous, or that Putin is anything other than a tyrant.
00:05:38.000 We simply are inviting you to look at the conditions that may have led to this conflict and potential beneficiaries within the military-industrial complex.
00:05:47.000 So, in honour of Letterman, who's a person we admire, we have created the top five questions that Letterman didn't ask Zelensky!
00:05:58.000 Let's have a look.
00:05:59.000 At five, does this war in actual fact date back to 2014 when the maiden coup financed by the United States displaced pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych and installed a new US-friendly president?
00:06:12.000 At four, did Boris Johnson's reported visit to Ukraine pressure you to end peace talks with Russia after Putin had said the terms you'd put forward to Russia were grounds on which he could negotiate?
00:06:23.000 Would love to see that question asked.
00:06:24.000 That would have been a good question to see asked.
00:06:27.000 At three, is Putin solely to blame for the Western energy crisis when the nine largest energy utility companies in the U.S.
00:06:34.000 raked in nearly $14 billion in combined profits during the first three quarters of this year and dished out roughly $11 billion to their wealthy shareholders?
00:06:42.000 What do you think, Vladimir?
00:06:43.000 Could you give us an answer on that?
00:06:45.000 Or is that a train going by?
00:06:46.000 Ah, this is so edgy!
00:06:49.000 At two, does the $60 billion of aid and weapons given to Ukraine by the US government point to a proxy war with Russia or just a corrupt profiteering military-industrial complex that will receive over half of the new $850 billion Pentagon budget?
00:07:04.000 That's a good question there.
00:07:05.000 I call that a checkmate question.
00:07:06.000 Because either one there, he's got to say, oh, you're bad either way.
00:07:11.000 But, at number one, the number one question that we would like to see, Lem and Ossolensky, is, are you not a bit worried there might be a nuclear war and we'll all die as a result of this potential profiteering?
00:07:22.000 Not to say, of course, that Russia aren't involved in an egregious war against the innocent people of Ukraine.
00:07:28.000 It's just we deserve complex reporting, not old-school propaganda that says stuff like, have you seen the Russians? 0.90
00:07:35.000 All their weapons are so crap, they're using guns from Dad's army from, what's it called, the American equivalent? 0.82
00:07:41.000 Hannigan's heroes, Hogan's heroes. 0.99
00:07:43.000 You know, they're trying to sort of render Russia through the old school Cold War lens.
00:07:48.000 And in fact, if we were to look at old school Cold War Russia and the pledges that were made by Reagan and Gorbachev, i.e.
00:07:55.000 that NATO wouldn't infringe by one inch on the former borders of the Soviet Union, then seven nations, including Belarus, et cetera, went right the way up to the Black Sea, in some way increasing tensions.
00:08:05.000 If we were to get over that amnesia, an amnesia that our media continually tries to seduce us into, then perhaps we wouldn't be in this chaos.
00:08:13.000 But here we are, a story that says, burning through ammo.
00:08:16.000 Russia are using 40-year-old rounds.
00:08:19.000 A US official said, oh, I'll get you, you varmint!
00:08:25.000 Okay, we will get to you!
00:08:29.000 Oh no, even my hat's a little bit pro-Russian, isn't it?
00:08:31.000 I'm starting to realise now.
00:08:32.000 First of all, I was like a hillbilly because I didn't have no sleeves, but now I reckon I'm a hill commie, is what I actually am.
00:08:39.000 But look at some of the weapons that Russia are using.
00:08:42.000 They've got these hypersonic missiles, which I think I heard it just recently from the producer of the show, actually, go on a trip around the world before exploding on their targets, which is nice.
00:08:52.000 If you look at this from the missile's perspective, it's nice that it gets a little round-the-world trip, like a backpacker, before annihilating an innocent population.
00:09:01.000 Yeah, this was a test last year done by China.
00:09:03.000 I don't know, you've got a sting for that.
00:09:05.000 Actually, wait a sec, China. 0.86
00:09:07.000 How you say that properly.
00:09:07.000 In which the hypersonic missile flew around the world once before hitting its target just to kind of show off how good it was.
00:09:13.000 I could do this all day!
00:09:15.000 And then when it accidentally broke Lois Lane's heart it flew backwards around the world and went back in time and kicked bloody General Zod right up his ball bag.
00:09:24.000 Don't worry though, Ukraine have got their own missiles. 0.97
00:09:27.000 Pentagon announced the US Army had awarded a 1.2 billion dollar contract to Raytheon, those guys, to produce six national advanced surface-to-air missile systems in support of efforts in Ukraine.
00:09:37.000 So it looks like they've both got pretty good missiles.
00:09:39.000 Right, so that's why question one that we wanted Letterman to post as Zelensky becomes relevant, argue not worried that this could escalate into a terrible, terrifying war that will needlessly claim even more lives if a diplomatic solution is taken off the table.
00:09:53.000 And in spite of all these stories of the rickety, old, old-school, Beverly-Oobleys weapons that the Russians are meant to be using, look at this bad boy they're firing off into space. 0.69
00:10:04.000 What do you budget?
00:10:09.000 I told you Crimea is ours!
00:10:14.000 I mean, we can smile about it now, but at a video with someone swearing.
00:10:18.000 Yeah.
00:10:19.000 Total annihilation.
00:10:20.000 Actually, you can't use that kind of language while you're annihilating an Afghani wedding.
00:10:26.000 Let's keep it clean, shall we?
00:10:28.000 Some of the people at that wedding were children.
00:10:30.000 The last thing they want to hear before they turn to ashes like some biblical yarn is you cursing in an ancient dialect.
00:10:37.000 We're not laughing at children. 0.99
00:10:40.000 No, yeah, well, I don't know, in case a stupid person is accidentally watching this, we're of course laughing at the ludicrous manner in which the media renders these stories, extracting the complexity because they want us dumb, screen-staring numb fools, incapable of making decisions for ourselves. 0.99
00:10:56.000 That's what we're offering you here on this channel. 0.95
00:10:58.000 Let us know in the comments and the chat how you feel about the propagandization of all media, that nothing is plain, that nothing is clear.
00:11:07.000 I want to talk to you now.
00:11:08.000 Gareth, I hope this is alright with you.
00:11:10.000 After all, we are creative partners on this show.
00:11:15.000 It's down to us together to create a show that's worthy of Glenn Greenwald, that's worthy of our community, of people that are trying to awaken spiritually, that are trying to run their own lives, that want to transcend the conflict-driven narratives that are causing needless rifts throughout our culture and community.
00:11:32.000 Glenn's joining us in just a minute and in a sec we're going to talk about the Ron DeSantis story.
00:11:38.000 He's suggesting that there ought be a statewide investigation into mRNA vaccines and we're really interested in the way that these stories around the pandemic are getting narrativized continuously even now.
00:11:52.000 Vice recently done a story about how if you're not vaccinated you're also a bad driver.
00:11:58.000 Yeah.
00:11:58.000 Which sort of seems like borderline racism type story, doesn't it?
00:12:02.000 You've not been vaccinated and you're a bad driver, here is that story.
00:12:06.000 Covid vaccines, let's have a look at that story.
00:12:08.000 Covid vaccine refusers have 72% higher risk of a serious traffic crash, study shows.
00:12:14.000 People who refuse to get the Covid vaccine are far more likely to get in a traffic crash requiring hospitalisation, a recently published study.
00:12:22.000 ...found adding evidence to the theory, the theory that anti-vaxxers often demonstrate other kinds of dangerous anti-social behaviour.
00:12:29.000 That's not a theory.
00:12:30.000 That's not a theory.
00:12:31.000 That's not like relativity or evolution, is it?
00:12:35.000 Like, wait a second, wait a minute, if I could just get the flux capacitor!
00:12:39.000 That's just like a prejudicial assumption.
00:12:42.000 What about those Chinese protesters?
00:12:44.000 What about them?
00:12:45.000 Listen, if you're watching us on YouTube right now, we are going to have to leave you.
00:12:48.000 But you can join us on Rumble right now and enjoy our content in full for free.
00:12:53.000 We're going to be chatting to Glenn Greenwald in just a minute and we're moving on to the Ron DeSantis story.
00:12:57.000 But because the platform YouTube, I'm sorry to say, does have a history of censoring some stories, particularly around this subject, we have to be careful.
00:13:06.000 We want to tell you the truth.
00:13:07.000 We believe you can handle the truth.
00:13:09.000 We believe it is our sworn duty to connect through truth and find new ways, new alliances, new allegiances that go beyond the condemnation of individuals on the basis of culture, but we can only do that on Rumble.
00:13:22.000 So YouTube, goodbye for now, you glorious awakening wonders.
00:13:25.000 Rumble.
00:13:26.000 Let's get a bit... Let's relax a little bit.
00:13:29.000 I mean, you can see I'm being pretty uptight.
00:13:31.000 Shall we take our tops off?
00:13:33.000 Let's take our tops off.
00:13:34.000 I've got no trousers on under this table and there's not a law in the land that could make me wear trousers when I don't want to, Gareth.
00:13:40.000 It's simply... We're not in China.
00:13:42.000 We're not in bloody China.
00:13:44.000 China.
00:13:45.000 There you go, that's one of the things we can do.
00:13:47.000 So, yeah, don't you think, Gal, that this shows the tendency to narrativise the data that they were collecting and collating, which, by the way, they said they were never going to use again under any circumstances, cross my heart and hope to die.
00:13:59.000 Now we're seeing them sort of like, ah, not only was it bad that you're an anti-vaxxer, even though we never tested for transmission, so it was your business and your business only.
00:14:08.000 That's what it should have been from the get-go.
00:14:10.000 If you want to get a vaccine, get a vaccine.
00:14:11.000 We reckon it helps you.
00:14:12.000 100% it helps you.
00:14:14.000 90% it helps you, 80% it helps you, 70% it helps you.
00:14:17.000 You know, it's just you.
00:14:18.000 It's just a personal decision.
00:14:20.000 But what was, stop the spread, help the little old ladies. 1.00
00:14:23.000 Do you remember that stuff?
00:14:25.000 You're being gaslit right now.
00:14:26.000 You're being told that that didn't happen.
00:14:28.000 Well, I've got this little thing called my Rememberer. 0.86
00:14:31.000 And I used my rememberer to remember the things that were in the news a couple of months ago, like, hey, these anti-lockdown protesters are anti-vax morons and conspiracy theorists.
00:14:40.000 These ones in China, brave heroes standing up against totalitarianism. 0.98
00:14:45.000 Am I right, Gareth, or am I mad with a mental illness?
00:14:48.000 Well, I think that both of those things are true at the same time.
00:14:52.000 I think this is a way of just Continuing this categorization of people that I thought the idea was, I mean Joe Biden said himself, the pandemic's over.
00:15:01.000 So why are these categories being sustained?
00:15:04.000 It feels like the only reason would be to sustain these kind of narratives.
00:15:08.000 I'm going to say something Gareth now that's so clever.
00:15:10.000 I think it's, there's a real danger that it might arouse you even sexually.
00:15:14.000 Oh god.
00:15:15.000 James Baldwin, the brilliant writer and intellectual and advocate for civil rights in the 1960s, a figure along the lines of King and Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, an advocate for the rights of black Americans, said that the creation of the category of the negro, and of course used the cruel N word also, indicates a culture that is incapable of
00:15:39.000 carrying its own shadow, incapable of taking responsibility for its own malfeasance.
00:15:45.000 I wonder if the creation of these categories of the condemnable other,
00:15:50.000 now that the liberal establishment has elected to align itself with sort of woke identity politics,
00:15:57.000 the issues around which, by the way, I'm in support of, I think that people should be happy who the hell they are
00:16:03.000 and there shouldn't be racial discrimination or discrimination on the basis of
00:16:05.000 people's sexuality.
00:16:06.000 Do you think that they now have to create sort of apparently scientifically underwritten categories to sort of purge, dirge and damn? 0.73
00:16:13.000 Yeah, I mean, it's how we, how the keepers divided, isn't it?
00:16:15.000 I mean, we were looking at data even around the time that you had people like Don Lemon going on CNN.
00:16:20.000 Don Lemon!
00:16:21.000 You know, saying that we shouldn't, you know, we shouldn't forgive people and we need to like discard people who are unvaccinated now. 1.00
00:16:28.000 And actually, when we looked at the data, a lot of the people, whilst there was a lot of people not taking it out of Mistrust of government, mistrust of authority.
00:16:35.000 There were people also from minorities who were not taking it for on religious grounds or all sorts of reasons.
00:16:41.000 There was diverse and varying reasons why people didn't want to take the vaccine.
00:16:46.000 And you get a headline like this, which does the complete opposite.
00:16:48.000 It reduces it to something like you said, calling them Nazis or whatever else it is they're saying.
00:16:53.000 Do you remember when they said that people should be denied health treatment?
00:16:57.000 Unvaccinated people shouldn't be given... That happened in Canada, yeah. 1.00
00:17:00.000 in health care Canada.
00:17:02.000 Old Trudeau thinks that a haircut is will do instead of a spirit like instead of morals you can have a bouffant of some description.
00:17:13.000 This is an interesting advance this story.
00:17:14.000 Ron DeSantis has said that he's going to hold a statewide jury investigation into the efficacy of and I suppose broadly the effectiveness of mRNA So the reason I think this is a fascinating story is because it's the first time a mainstream, although divisive, political figure has ever said, we're going to investigate the vaccines themselves.
00:17:38.000 Not the lockdowns, not the measures around it, not the mask work or not mask wear, not is it legal, which it bloody well isn't, to prevent people from leaving their homes.
00:17:48.000 Not that this is expedited the advance of technological dictatorship.
00:17:52.000 Just outright come out and said, The vaccines themselves should be investigated.
00:17:57.000 Now, me, and I can say this on this platform, the very fact that Pfizer were keen to boot the results 75 years into the future makes me think there's stuff in there they don't want you to know.
00:18:08.000 I mean, like, I don't know if that makes me a conspiracy theorist.
00:18:11.000 Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
00:18:12.000 I bet a lot of you love Ron DeSantis.
00:18:15.000 Tell me if you're into what he's doing or tell me if you think that he's a sort of a political huckster using this for Personal gain.
00:18:20.000 Do you think that this indicates that the story now has real political weight?
00:18:24.000 You know, I really want to know what you think.
00:18:25.000 This show isn't just about what we think.
00:18:27.000 It's mainly about that because we have to do all the work.
00:18:29.000 But it's also about what you think.
00:18:32.000 And I think that this really could represent a sort of turning point in the narrative around vaccines.
00:18:37.000 I think when, you know, we've got an item later in the show, a presentation, as you called it yesterday,
00:18:42.000 about Albert Baller, the CEO of Pfizer, who literally now has been,
00:18:46.000 it's been kind of proven that some of the things, the statements that he made on interviews on the BBC,
00:18:51.000 for example, in this country, about the efficacy of child vaccines
00:18:54.000 and the necessity for them, have now been proven to be irresponsible.
00:19:00.000 And that's something that's kind of been upheld.
00:19:03.000 You know, when you've got a situation like that, and a CEO of a company like Pfizer,
00:19:07.000 with so much, the amount of influence that they've had, you can see how this kind of thing is inevitable in a way,
00:19:13.000 because now you're starting to see more and more things be revealed.
00:19:17.000 Yeah.
00:19:18.000 So yeah I'm not surprised it's happening.
00:19:20.000 Some people just have a weariness.
00:19:22.000 Let me know at home if you feel the same way.
00:19:23.000 When you're talking to people like this they go, oh do you know that they never tested for transmission?
00:19:27.000 You know that there's an investigation now?
00:19:29.000 You know that they've booted it 75 years in the future?
00:19:31.000 You know that with children's vaccines they've said it was 100% effective then 90% effective and ultimately down to about 12% effective when natural immunity is 75% effective?
00:19:39.000 You know it used to be illegal to, or banned at least, talking about natural immunity.
00:19:43.000 That hashtag got wiped.
00:19:44.000 We now know about the level of government and in particular CDC involvement with social media platforms.
00:19:49.000 The people that said that you were an outsider and a conspiracy theorist, are they acknowledging at least those changes?
00:19:54.000 Let me know in the comments.
00:19:55.000 Let me know in the chat where you stand on that stuff.
00:19:58.000 And, um, should we have a look at what Ron DeSantis says?
00:20:00.000 Because we have got a great presentation later, Gareth.
00:20:02.000 I'm very excited for people to see this presentation we've done about Albert Bourne.
00:20:05.000 Yeah, I think the main thing about this video, well, one of the things, is how mental the set is that he's in.
00:20:09.000 You'll see it.
00:20:09.000 Where is he?
00:20:10.000 Where is he?
00:20:11.000 In Tron?
00:20:12.000 Like, Ron, I call him Tron DeSantis because he's clearly in the future.
00:20:16.000 Let's have a look at him.
00:20:17.000 So today, I'm announcing a petition with the Supreme Court of Florida to impanel a statewide grand jury to investigate any and all wrongdoing in Florida with respect to COVID-19 vaccines.
00:20:34.000 And we anticipate that we will get the approval for that.
00:20:37.000 That will be something that will be impaneled most likely in the Clapping. 0.99
00:20:42.000 They love it.
00:20:42.000 The people on the set, they love it.
00:20:44.000 Yeah.
00:20:44.000 This is a political turning point.
00:20:46.000 Do you think this is a turning point, you guys, in the chat, in the comments?
00:20:48.000 Does this make you appreciate Ron DeSantis more?
00:20:50.000 Does this make you think that the Republican Party have more validity than the Democrat Party?
00:20:54.000 I don't know which way you're going to go on that particular line of inquiry.
00:20:59.000 Does this mean now that it's OK to openly question vaccine efficacy?
00:21:04.000 Because let me tell you, at the other place, YouTube, where we've got the six million awakening wonders, you cannot, for example... What are some of the things we can't say that they're... Well, I mean, really, it's... The guidelines are set to WHO guidelines.
00:21:18.000 That's the thing.
00:21:19.000 They're still kowtowing to the WHO, not like Ron DeSantis, who's broadcasting live from the future.
00:21:27.000 I like that set, Gareth.
00:21:28.000 I'm getting ideas.
00:21:28.000 Oh, God.
00:21:29.000 Yep.
00:21:30.000 We can't afford that much LED.
00:21:32.000 I want that much LED.
00:21:33.000 That's as good as possible.
00:21:34.000 I need to have a big telly wall, like a big giant Gesu.
00:21:37.000 I want a big giant digital Gesu behind me.
00:21:40.000 Right.
00:21:40.000 OK, well, while you let us know in the comments and chat and hit rumble, for God's sake, hit rumble.
00:21:45.000 Don't neglect to do that.
00:21:46.000 And also hit us up with your questions for Glenn Greenwald.
00:21:49.000 We're going to give you our presentation on Pfizer CEO Albert Baller's claims around vaccine efficacy and how it's being increasingly revealed that they were indeed misleading in our presentation that I like to call it.
00:22:04.000 I mean, I don't know if it's just me.
00:22:06.000 I like to call it.
00:22:06.000 Here's the news.
00:22:08.000 No.
00:22:09.000 Here's the epic news.
00:22:12.000 Please!
00:22:18.000 Won't somebody vaccinate our children? 0.80
00:22:21.000 There are marginal benefits and considerable profits but mostly marginal benefits.
00:22:29.000 You know that child vaccines do have an impact, but the nature of that impact has been discussed, debated, criticized, and at points dismissed.
00:22:38.000 Albert Baller, wish I was a bit taller, CEO of Pfizer, he was very, very keen for everyone to take vaccines.
00:22:43.000 Not what you thought for money.
00:22:45.000 No, he wants to help people.
00:22:46.000 He likes helping people so much that he just became CEO of Pfizer.
00:22:50.000 Just, he was obsessed with helping.
00:22:51.000 Let's have a look at the way that the reporting on the efficacy of vaccines has changed in the last two years.
00:22:56.000 surprising stuff. 100%.
00:23:02.000 Good, that's good.
00:23:03.000 100%.
00:23:03.000 Might as well take it.
00:23:04.000 If something's 100% effective, take it!
00:23:11.000 100%!
00:23:11.000 Gotta get them vaccines down your kid's neck.
00:23:14.000 If something's 100% effective, get my children, where are my children?
00:23:17.000 Why am I not vaccinated?
00:23:18.000 Get them in here now! 1.00
00:23:22.000 Ah, it's 99% effective.
00:23:23.000 That's still, that's almost, that's just 1%.
00:23:25.000 Less than 100!
00:23:26.000 Still effective!
00:23:26.000 Still effective, innit?
00:23:28.000 99% chance you're gonna take that.
00:23:29.000 You're gonna take that to any casino in the world, ain't ya?
00:23:32.000 Right, 97, okay, 97, 98, still nearly 99, nearly 100%, nearly.
00:23:33.000 98, no, so it's still nearly 99, nearly 100%, nearly.
00:23:37.000 ♪♪ That's 89%, 96, like 89, still very high.
00:23:49.000 ♪♪ Okay, okay, it's more or less, we're pretty sure that is
00:23:59.000 effective.
00:23:59.000 Like, at some point you start to think, what kind of profit's involved?
00:24:02.000 Oh, the profit?
00:24:03.000 That's 100% effective.
00:24:04.000 That percentage ain't changed.
00:24:10.000 That's three quarters, roughly three quarters effective, three quarters effective.
00:24:13.000 It's over 50% effective.
00:24:24.000 Take two of them, be around a hundred!
00:24:26.000 🎵 It's nearly 50% effect!
00:24:37.000 Why would you not take something that's nearly 50%?
00:24:39.000 50% if you've got a 50-50 chance of an airplane not crashing if you're anything like me you're on that flight
00:24:44.000 You might be getting a holiday Is nearly one-third effective
00:24:52.000 You might need a booster.
00:24:57.000 You might need another shot.
00:24:58.000 We've got to make sure we clarify that with people.
00:25:01.000 It has nothing to do whether or not it's effective.
00:25:04.000 You can't just take one vaccine, hope it'll be 100% effective.
00:25:07.000 You did say it was 100% effective.
00:25:08.000 We said a lot of things.
00:25:10.000 We know it's highly effective.
00:25:12.000 You've got to trust Fauci.
00:25:14.000 He didn't get where he is today by telling lies.
00:25:17.000 comments? yeah listen these vaccines...
00:25:28.000 Talk to your doctor.
00:25:29.000 You've banned that.
00:25:30.000 Oh.
00:25:30.000 Highly effective.
00:25:32.000 🎵 So there you go, the narrative has altered somewhat over
00:25:48.000 the past couple of years, but how did we get here?
00:25:51.000 And how is it that child vaccines are still being pushed after an obvious transition in the appreciation of their efficacy?
00:25:58.000 Pfizer's CEO, Albert Baller, has been rapped by the UK's pharmaceutical watchdog for making misleading statements about children's vaccines.
00:26:06.000 I mean, he did say they are anything from 100% effective to actually bad for you, so at least some of those statements were true.
00:26:13.000 Dr Albert Baller used an interview with the BBC last December to claim that there is no doubt in my mind that the benefits completely are in favour of vaccinating youngsters aged 5 to 11 against Covid-19.
00:26:24.000 You can't use your own mind as a reference point for something that's apparently objective.
00:26:29.000 Hold on a minute.
00:26:29.000 You're gonna need the absolute truth on this.
00:26:31.000 Let me go in my mind.
00:26:34.000 Money, money, greed, life of indoctrination, part of the system. 1.00
00:26:37.000 Do as you're fucking told. 0.99
00:26:38.000 He argued that Covid in schools is thriving. 0.99
00:26:41.000 Adding, this is disturbing.
00:26:42.000 Significantly the educational system and there are kids that will have severe symptoms.
00:26:46.000 Oh my god, my kids!
00:26:47.000 I love my kids!
00:26:48.000 Well, give them a vaccine! 0.75
00:26:49.000 What percent effective are they?
00:26:50.000 They're literally every percent effective.
00:26:52.000 Don't watch this video.
00:26:53.000 Or at least, just watch the first bit.
00:26:55.000 The interview was published on December 2nd before the vaccine had been approved by Britain's medical regulator for this age group.
00:27:01.000 Why would they approve it when there is so much inquiry?
00:27:04.000 Could there be any other agenda?
00:27:05.000 Let me know in the comments.
00:27:06.000 Let me know in the chat.
00:27:07.000 Shortly after the article's publication, a complaint was submitted to the pharmaceutical watchdog, the Prescription Medicine's Code of Practice Authority, PMCPA, alleging that Dr. Baller's remarks about the children's vaccine were disgracefully misleading and extremely promotional in nature.
00:27:20.000 Oh, wow, what, like, their preference that you take the vaccine's not because the vaccine's beneficial, but because the vaccine's profitable.
00:27:27.000 Wow, was anybody saying that for Oh yeah, those people were all banned from saying that, almost like the promotion was being promoted over actual science and news.
00:27:39.000 But that's weird, because I remember everyone saying, follow the science.
00:27:41.000 What do we do now with the science?
00:27:42.000 Could you stop following it?
00:27:43.000 Stop following the science now!
00:27:44.000 Leave the science alone!
00:27:45.000 The science might be a paedophile! 0.61
00:27:47.000 What?!
00:27:47.000 Is it also disgracefully misleading?
00:27:50.000 Are you misleading us?
00:27:51.000 Is there any grace in it?
00:27:52.000 No.
00:27:53.000 There is simply no evidence that healthy school children in the UK are at significant risk from the SARS-CoV-2 virus and to imply that they are is disgracefully misleading they said.
00:28:02.000 Didn't, like, lots of us say, oh, look, blessedly, seems that kids are okay. 1.00
00:28:07.000 Old people and sick people, shit, what a nightmare. 1.00
00:28:09.000 It seems to be having a terrible impact on them. 1.00
00:28:11.000 I guess there's a conversation around whether or not these medications are effective for them.
00:28:14.000 Let's have a sensible conversation.
00:28:16.000 Probably not if people are invested heavily in the arts of being, yes, take the vaccine, because they'll probably say everyone should take the vaccine.
00:28:23.000 And God, if the government sort of get out of control, they'll start locking people in their houses if they don't take them and looking for new reasons. 1.00
00:28:29.000 Listen, Just because I wear stupid hats, it doesn't mean I'm an idiot. 0.99
00:28:32.000 I'm actually paying close attention to what's going on, and I know you are as well. 0.99
00:28:36.000 Let me know in the comments, let me know in the chat if you're noticing how we're cycling through these stories, how you're being asked to ignore information that just a couple of months ago you weren't even allowed to or permitted to say.
00:28:47.000 So what does that tell us about the future?
00:28:49.000 What it tells us about the present is stay awake, stay focused.
00:28:52.000 If there's no evidence that children should take vaccines, then the children shouldn't take vaccines.
00:28:57.000 So why are that board recommending it?
00:28:59.000 I suppose what they're saying is it's not dangerous, but they've created so much fear that at this point, people are going to be sort of led, biased.
00:29:04.000 We've been so conditioned, indoctrinated.
00:29:07.000 I'd have to say lied to. 0.99
00:29:09.000 But at this point, many people are understandably reluctant to say, I'm not fucking vaccinating my kids. 0.98
00:29:14.000 It's unnecessary. 0.99
00:29:15.000 It's pointless.
00:29:15.000 Natural immunity is sufficient.
00:29:16.000 We're not allowed to say that.
00:29:18.000 There are still elements of this story that can't be discussed on this platform.
00:29:20.000 That's why we're over on Rumble.
00:29:21.000 Join us there every day.
00:29:22.000 In September 2021, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, JCVI, had advised against a mass rollout for children aged 12 to 15, saying the margin of benefit was considered too small and citing the low risk to healthy children.
00:29:36.000 But less than a fortnight later, ministers gave the green light for youngsters to be given a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech jab.
00:29:42.000 Now, you have to question whether that was for economic reasons or health reasons, don't you?
00:29:47.000 Then you have to question the whole thing.
00:29:49.000 I mean, let's not get into conspiracy theories.
00:29:50.000 What's the point?
00:29:51.000 You don't need to.
00:29:52.000 You can just look at the evidence with your own eyes.
00:29:55.000 You can just see what's been happening and then determine for yourself, oh, these people, what have they got at heart?
00:30:00.000 Our best interests or profit.
00:30:02.000 So you can look at Pfizer's profits this year and Moderna's and Johnson and Johnson's.
00:30:06.000 And then you can look at the efficacy of the vaccines and where it's been pushed potentially needlessly.
00:30:10.000 And then you can use your own mind.
00:30:12.000 I don't care what you think.
00:30:13.000 You're welcome here regardless.
00:30:15.000 I just want to give you the information.
00:30:16.000 A code of practice panel convened by the PMCPA found that Pfizer had breached the code in a number of different ways.
00:30:22.000 There's a code, they're just breaching it from every angle.
00:30:24.000 Including misleading the public, making unsubstantiated claims and by failing to present information in a factual and balanced way.
00:30:31.000 The information was not factual, that means it was lies.
00:30:34.000 It wasn't balanced, that means they skewed it in one direction.
00:30:37.000 The claims are unsubstantiated and they misled people.
00:30:40.000 They shouldn't be allowed to do that job anymore.
00:30:42.000 Imagine if we did this. 0.99
00:30:43.000 We're not allowed to do this on fucking YouTube. 0.99
00:30:45.000 You get strikes if you make a marginal error. 0.99
00:30:47.000 We're not actually making medicine and suggesting the government mandate it to people.
00:30:52.000 Oh my god, what's happening?
00:30:54.000 Pfizer appealed against the findings.
00:30:56.000 Hey, how dare you say we're imbalanced and lying?
00:30:59.000 Superman is my dad, and he'll duff you up if you say that. 0.99
00:31:03.000 I've got a speaking cock, and my cock wasn't saying anything at this point. 0.99
00:31:08.000 Appealed against the findings, arguing these remarks were based on up-to-date scientific evidence. 0.99
00:31:12.000 That's like a marketer.
00:31:13.000 Up-to-date scientific evidence?
00:31:15.000 What kind of speak can I like and rely on this?
00:31:17.000 And could be substantiated by the publicly available independent benefit risk assessments. 0.98
00:31:21.000 Well, I wonder where they're fucking funded.
00:31:23.000 Earlier in November an appeal board met to consider the arguments, the breaches of the code relating to misleading the public, making unsubstantiated claims and the lack of balance were upheld. 0.88
00:31:32.000 Oh, so they definitely did do that.
00:31:33.000 You talk about there's a great story and we don't have time to get into it. 0.98
00:31:36.000 Here is Baller getting his balls licked on the television in what passes for news on the mainstream. 1.00
00:31:41.000 That's why you have to turn on the notification bell and subscribe otherwise this is the shit they'll feed you. 0.99
00:31:45.000 When you found out the efficacy of the vaccine you gather everybody on a Sunday morning and you guys would have been happy it was 50 to 70 percent effective and it was. 0.99
00:31:55.000 95.6%.
00:31:57.000 We were so happy.
00:31:58.000 So happy it was 95.6% effective.
00:32:02.000 Sadly, the more we trialed it, it went to 92, 91, 80, 76, 50.
00:32:08.000 Potentially dangerous.
00:32:10.000 But for that bit at the beginning, we were so happy.
00:32:13.000 And that's the bit that we put on the news.
00:32:15.000 Alright, I'm a Pfizer girl, just saying.
00:32:17.000 I'm not just saying that because you're here.
00:32:19.000 It's not a football team.
00:32:20.000 It's not a band.
00:32:21.000 It's not a country.
00:32:23.000 It's a business, and a very, very profitable one that's been given considerable support by the media and the government.
00:32:29.000 We're back 740 with In Depth today, and this morning we're focusing on COVID and kids.
00:32:33.000 OK, according to an alarming new study conducted by New York State, Pfizer's vaccine, while 48% effective... Oh, it was 48%, I thought it was 96%.
00:32:40.000 Oh, that's interesting.
00:32:43.000 All The Today Show has to do is become The Yesterday Show, then it's a conspiracy theory show.
00:32:47.000 That reducing hospitalizations in kids 5 to 11 is not very effective in preventing infection.
00:32:54.000 Yeah, in fact, in December and January, it dropped sharply.
00:32:57.000 Oh, dropped sharply. 0.87
00:32:58.000 Or maybe the information we were given in the first place, when it was convenient, wasn't fucking true.
00:33:04.000 From 68% to just 12%. 0.78
00:33:07.000 12%?
00:33:07.000 I wouldn't bother doing anything that was 12% effective.
00:33:10.000 That's the effectiveness against infection.
00:33:12.000 So what does it all mean for your kids, your family?
00:33:14.000 It's a considerable drop, isn't it?
00:33:16.000 To go from 96% to 12%.
00:33:18.000 How do you do that?
00:33:19.000 How do you follow the science and end up there?
00:33:21.000 Let me know in the comments.
00:33:22.000 Let me know in the chat.
00:33:23.000 A spokesperson for Pfizer said they are committed to the highest level of integrity in any interaction with the public.
00:33:28.000 That's weird though, isn't it?
00:33:29.000 Because it's simply not true!
00:33:31.000 It's been proven twice that it's a lie!
00:33:34.000 In the UK, we have always endeavoured to follow the principles and letter of our industry code of practice throughout.
00:33:38.000 Does that code of practice make a profit at all and any cost?
00:33:42.000 Yeah!
00:33:43.000 I didn't know you worked for Pfizer.
00:33:44.000 Do you notice whether in politics or in commerce people just say what you want to hear?
00:33:47.000 It doesn't matter if it's true or not because no one's got any values or principles.
00:33:51.000 Ah, we'll make that Saudi Arabia, we'll make them pariahs. 1.00
00:33:54.000 Right, you've won the election.
00:33:55.000 Yeah, can we have some oil please to run some weapons? 0.85
00:33:57.000 Right, we care about nothing except integrity.
00:34:00.000 It'll be terrible to make a profit from this vaccine.
00:34:02.000 Have you made a profit from this vaccine?
00:34:03.000 Yeah, biggest profit ever actually.
00:34:05.000 But what about that thing you said?
00:34:06.000 Throughout the pandemic, our communications have been focused on providing clarity regarding the progress of our science and supporting transparent scientific exchange in the interests of public health.
00:34:06.000 Don't matter.
00:34:15.000 What about that thing that's being kicked off into 75 years in the future?
00:34:18.000 And when you get to 75 years in the future, you will have clarity and transparency.
00:34:22.000 That's after your 150th booster.
00:34:24.000 12% effective!
00:34:26.000 In the US, Sludge has revealed that in 2021, as Americans consumed record amounts of vaccines, the drug industry's chief lobbying group surpassed $609 million in revenues, a new record.
00:34:35.000 In February, Pfizer forecast that its revenue this year will grow to a total between $98 billion and $102 billion, the highest estimate the 173-year-old pharmaceutical company has ever given for annual sales.
00:34:46.000 What a coincidence!
00:34:47.000 While they've been helping us with all of their scrutiny and scruples, they've actually earned money.
00:34:51.000 So good news all around, really.
00:34:53.000 In summer 2020, as Covid vaccines moved ahead at warp speed, the companies behind them promised they wouldn't make much money on them.
00:34:58.000 Yeah, I remember that.
00:35:00.000 Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca both promised to sell their vaccines on a non-profit basis.
00:35:04.000 Johnson & Johnson even committed to charging a single price worldwide, rather than charging countries like the United States more.
00:35:09.000 Pfizer chairman Albert Baller was also emphatic.
00:35:12.000 His company was developing a Covid vaccine for the good of humanity, not for money, he told Time magazine in July 2020, when it was convenient to do so and it wouldn't be held to that statement in later years.
00:35:23.000 This is not business as usually said.
00:35:25.000 If you were calculating return on investment, we would never do these things.
00:35:27.000 Biggest profit ever!
00:35:28.000 Biggest profit ever!
00:35:29.000 We were discussing that back in March, what that means to human lives, to the economy of the world.
00:35:34.000 And our economy?
00:35:35.000 Biggest profits ever!
00:35:35.000 Biggest profits ever!
00:35:36.000 So it was a must that we take those measures.
00:35:38.000 Well thanks for that Albert.
00:35:39.000 Thus Pfizer would not overcharge for the mRNA vaccine it was developing with the German
00:35:44.000 company BioNTech, Baller said.
00:35:46.000 We are going to charge governments a very, very nominal value, he said.
00:35:50.000 Because Pfizer would charge so little, it believed governments should give it shots
00:35:53.000 free of charge to all citizens, he said.
00:35:55.000 Asked directly if Pfizer intended to profit, Baller said, we will make a very, very marginal
00:36:00.000 profit at this stage.
00:36:01.000 Only if the margin is all the way around the universe and back to the other side of the margin, because it's the biggest margin they've ever bloody had.
00:36:08.000 So what do you think about follow the science now?
00:36:10.000 What do you think about the efficacy of these vaccines now?
00:36:13.000 What do you think about these shifting statistics?
00:36:15.000 What do you think About the censorship.
00:36:16.000 What do you think about the inability of your government to say, hey, how about a massive windfall tax on those profits?
00:36:21.000 What do you think about proper regulations of businesses like that?
00:36:24.000 That they ought to, particularly in a health crisis, be held to the promises and pledges they made when they knew it was the right thing to say.
00:36:30.000 Shouldn't you stick to those promises when it's the right thing to do?
00:36:32.000 Have you noticed there's a cost of living crisis going on right now?
00:36:35.000 And yet there's money swirling around in big pharma companies, big tech companies, energy companies.
00:36:40.000 What a crazy coincidence.
00:36:42.000 If only There was something that could be done.
00:36:45.000 Maybe vote for the other party.
00:36:46.000 Perhaps they'll do something.
00:36:48.000 But that's just what I think.
00:36:49.000 Let me know what you think in the comments.
00:36:50.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.
00:36:51.000 I'll see you in a second.
00:36:52.000 Is it me or does the future feel more insecure and uncertain?
00:36:56.000 Wars, pandemics, lies, trickery.
00:36:59.000 My cats keep having kittens.
00:37:00.000 The last one's personal.
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00:37:56.000 wow look glenn Glenn Greenwald is here.
00:38:02.000 Glenn Greenwald is actually here.
00:38:04.000 Hello, Glenn.
00:38:05.000 How are you?
00:38:06.000 I'm doing well, Russell.
00:38:07.000 Thrilled to be with you.
00:38:08.000 Came to bring some order and structure to your show again, and I'm happy to do that.
00:38:13.000 Well, at least you know how challenging it is.
00:38:16.000 Yes, I was yelling at you right before the show that you did not sufficiently warn me about how difficult it is to produce a daily one-hour live program, which we began doing with our own show this Monday, and it is indeed quite difficult, though most people probably don't want to hear our whining about it.
00:38:35.000 It's just, if you care about your audience and you care about the quality of the show, it is a heavy burden, but it's also fun.
00:38:42.000 Seems to be one you're bearing quite well, not just because of meditation, but because of a lifetime of investigative journalistic skill and deep integrity.
00:38:50.000 We're going to just take a little look, Glenn, if it's okay with you, at your debut show and your conversation with Matt Tobey.
00:38:56.000 A brief clip.
00:38:57.000 Let's have a look at that.
00:39:00.000 Matt, thank you so much for joining us on our debut show and congratulations on breaking such a big story.
00:39:05.000 Thanks for being with us.
00:39:06.000 Firstly, Glenn, I like the way that you establish rapport with Matt there.
00:39:11.000 Like, you know, we're journalists, you know the power of breaking such a big story.
00:39:15.000 I bet Matt Taibbi thought, hmm, it's like when he broke Snowden.
00:39:19.000 I bet Taibbi got a real kick out of that when you gave him that kudos.
00:39:22.000 Mostly though, I want to ask, how come you're going for the standing up vibes?
00:39:27.000 I mean, the idea really is to, in one sense, make interviews more personal.
00:39:34.000 Like right now, even though you and I are talking, I'm staring at a camera.
00:39:36.000 I can't actually see you.
00:39:38.000 So part of the idea was to let me look at the guests, have the guests be able to look at me, or at least see me looking at them.
00:39:44.000 But also, I think, particularly for adversarial interviews, it makes it The dynamic much better when you're actually confronting the person in a normal way that human beings are speaking.
00:39:53.000 We're still working with it because you can see, you'll see the screen of the guest is much lower than me.
00:39:59.000 So I look like this giant towering over the person looking down at them, which might have subconsciously been the goal, but we're going to fix that and bring it to a more even playing field.
00:40:09.000 That was the idea.
00:40:10.000 This is a show where you admonish pipsqueaks that aren't fit to lace your boots.
00:40:15.000 Glenn, one of the main things I wanted to ask you, because whilst there are clear and evident distinctions between us in terms of not least your professional excellence and integrity, one thing that I think we perhaps share is a sense that I for most of my life felt that I was a broadly speaking left oriented socially liberal progressive person who believed that anti-establishment discourse was the function of the left.
00:40:41.000 Do you feel somehow like a vagrant now on what has shifted significantly in the last five years to mean that figures like yourself Chris Hedges and you know I could go on Noam Chomsky have become sort of casually labeled fascists in spite of a backstory that You know, it's bizarre, whenever people say, oh, you've become this far right fascist, I show them things I've said, tweets and other things, not from, you know, 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, but in the last two years, things like,
00:41:11.000 I think Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister of the UK would be one of the most important and encouraging political developments in decades.
00:41:19.000 I interviewed Ivo Morales shortly after he was the victim of a military coup in Bolivia.
00:41:24.000 I went to Mexico City, did one of the first interviews, and heaped praise on him and talked about the dangers of this coup.
00:41:31.000 Obviously I've had a long time relationship with Lula da Silva here in Brazil.
00:41:36.000 I encourage people to support AOC and her 2018 campaign.
00:41:39.000 So occasionally I show this to people and say, please fucking reconcile, you know, my gushing support for people like Jeremy Corbyn, Ivo Morales, Lula da Silva, you know, even AOC, not all people for whom I harbor some criticism and critiques, none of them is perfect, but all people whom I've supported pretty fervently in very recent history, and of course no one can do that.
00:42:03.000 And I think that's because, and I just did a show on this last night, actually, when
00:42:07.000 the Washington Post decided to label Barry Weiss and Matt Taibbi, the two journalists
00:42:12.000 principally responsible for this new Twitter files story, as, quote, conservative journalists,
00:42:17.000 even though you'd be very hard-pressed to find a single belief of either of them that
00:42:22.000 could be reasonably described as conservative.
00:42:24.000 I mean, Barry Weiss is a fanatical supporter of Israel, but so is virtually every member
00:42:28.000 of the Democratic Party.
00:42:31.000 But it has become, these labels, kind of like a coercive weapon, where the minute you step
00:42:37.000 out of line in any way and you question establishment orthodoxy, you suddenly get labeled as a far-right
00:42:43.000 extremist or a fascist.
00:42:44.000 And that's because, Russell, I think what has most changed And of course no one on the left likes to acknowledge this because they don't want to think of themselves this way, is that in many ways liberal left orthodoxy has become the hegemonic dominant ideology of many centers of power, of academia, of media, of Hollywood and increasingly even
00:43:04.000 The U.S.
00:43:04.000 security state, which saw Donald Trump as a grave menace and therefore aligned the CIA and the NSA and the FBI with Democrats and liberals and even some leftists.
00:43:14.000 And this shift in terms of who actually commands institutions of authority, who likes them and who distrusts them, is really the radical change.
00:43:23.000 And it's kind of happened around us while we've stayed in the same place.
00:43:27.000 And is it because this is evidently at odds with the core principles of just a decade or two ago that there has to be this emphatic focus on, for example, identity, politics and civil and cultural issues in order to maintain at least the appearance of difference when, broadly speaking, the heart of these political establishments is being co-opted by economic interests?
00:43:50.000 And does it mean this necessity for the extraction of critical thinking, because there is a requirement now, for truly sanitized and a unilateral media news message but even that there's been this odd merging of propaganda news and entertainment of which Letterman's interview with Zelensky could be seen as just the latest example a kind of puff piece and I almost feel fearful of bringing up the subject Glenn because I feel like what I'm saying is that oh Zelensky's not a hero or
00:44:18.000 The suffering of Ukrainian people is not important, or that Putin's not a tyrant, or Russia's actions aren't egregious, when all I'm simply trying to do is say that there are numerous factors that are being extracted from the story, and I'm not comfortable with that, and I'm afraid, particularly as it seems like this conflict could have dire global consequences.
00:44:37.000 Yeah, I think there's a lot going on there.
00:44:40.000 You know, I think, first of all, identity politics is absolutely this incredibly potent tool of perpetuating the status quo while glorifying its guardians as somehow revolutionary.
00:44:52.000 You know, the emergence, for example, of Hakeem Jeffries The black New York Democrat to the position of House leadership was celebrated as this generational change because he's younger than Nancy Pelosi as the first ever black leader, which is true of political party.
00:45:07.000 But in every single sense, Hakeem Jeffries is the living, breathing embodiment of the sleazy corporatist politics that dominates both parties.
00:45:14.000 He's funded by special interests.
00:45:16.000 He hates the squad and the left and anything populist or anti-establishment.
00:45:21.000 It was AOC in 2018, one of the things she said that convinced me to think that she was going to be a positive force is when I asked her about identity politics, she describes such people as Trojan horses.
00:45:31.000 People who are there to kind of put a black or a brown or a gay or a female face on status quo institutions.
00:45:38.000 The first time I ever noticed this was when the GCHQ, the British version of the NSA, Actually draped itself in the colors of the rainbow flag.
00:45:46.000 They lit their UFO style building up in the rainbow flag and said, look, we love LGBTs and liberals applauded, even though it's still the most pernicious surveillance agency in the West. 0.99
00:45:57.000 So that's part of it is it's extremely easy.
00:45:59.000 To have this kind of diversity where you celebrate the first black board of director of the Raytheon or the first female head of derivatives at Goldman Sachs, and you're casting the appearance that something has changed when in reality it's the most superficial way of changing it. 0.87
00:46:14.000 And it's very easy to do that kind of politics because it's much easier than changing the institutions themselves.
00:46:21.000 The second thing I think is that Donald Trump really became this kind of scapegoat for every major problem in the West.
00:46:28.000 He wasn't presented as what I think he is, which is the byproduct of, or a symptom of, or a reflection of long-standing systemic problems.
00:46:36.000 He was presented as the author or the cause, like the singular evil, and that had the effect of whitewashing everything that came before him.
00:46:43.000 So you have all these Bush-Cheney warmongers and war criminals, Who used to be hated, now they dislike Donald Trump, and suddenly they're all embraced because if you believe Donald Trump is the new Hitler, it kind of makes sense to say that's the only question that matters, and if you're against Donald Trump, you're on the side of good, and if you in any way question the narrative against him, then you must be a Trump supporter and therefore on the side of bad.
00:47:07.000 And then finally, I do think institutions of authority have really sharpened their propaganda skills.
00:47:13.000 I mean, if you go back before the Russian invasion, Ukraine, you will find every major outlet in the West
00:47:19.000 warning that Ukraine is dominated by neo-Nazi militias, not just a couple here and there, but
00:47:24.000 dominated by them, that Zelensky is a corrupt figure who was put into power by corrupt 0.90
00:47:31.000 Ukrainian billionaires. And the entire narrative changed overnight, where not only did that not
00:47:37.000 get said anymore, if you said any of that, you got instantly deemed to be a Russian agent or a Kremlin
00:47:44.000 propagandist. I was actually put on a formal list by the Ukrainian government for questioning
00:47:49.000 some of these narratives, even though questioning the most dangerous war we've had since the
00:47:54.000 Cuban Missile Crisis, which is what Joe Biden called it, where you have the United States and
00:47:58.000 Russia, the two largest nuclear powers on the planet, on opposite sides of a proxy war. You're
00:48:03.000 going to get a lot of hate speech.
00:48:03.000 You have to question that, but there is no questioning allowed.
00:48:06.000 Zelensky's like this Marvel, you know, film hero, this kind of embodiment of pure good.
00:48:11.000 And so I think the propaganda has become much more sophisticated.
00:48:15.000 And as you said, unified across politics, entertainment and media in a way that I think is very alarming.
00:48:22.000 I'm reminded of a Albert Maisel's quote that tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance therefore this propagandist machine is going to be about simplification it cannot accommodate complexity because complexity will always reveal what's actually happening that the establishment as you have described has become is now the orthodox liberal establishment and their Interest, therefore, traditionally aligned with the kind of financial and economic interest that we've always understood to be represented on a global level.
00:48:52.000 Do you think, Glenn, that the Trump era is over and is now sort of that that kind of populist appeal is migrating to DeSantis?
00:49:02.000 Do you think that DeSantis' statewide investigation into the efficacy of mRNA vaccines is a pivotal moment?
00:49:11.000 And do you and which of those two So, very sort of competent orators and libertarian figures,
00:49:19.000 do you think represents the future of that side of American politics?
00:49:25.000 What interested me most about Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, and I emphasize campaign because
00:49:32.000 in many ways the government itself didn't follow through on a lot of this, often despite
00:49:37.000 It sort of ignored Trump or overrode his will.
00:49:40.000 But the 2016 iteration of Trump was not just an attack on Democratic Party politics, but even more so Republican orthodoxy.
00:49:49.000 The foreign policy of Dick Cheney and George Bush and neocons.
00:49:54.000 You know, Trump was questioning the viability of NATO.
00:49:58.000 Um, why we're always in these regime change wars, why we're not using our resources to take care of our own people.
00:50:03.000 At one point, he even said the United States should be more neutral when it comes to Israel and Palestine, the ultimate heresy.
00:50:09.000 He questioned the CIA and the FBI.
00:50:11.000 He really went to war with them.
00:50:13.000 And then even on the economic level, you know, he said cutting taxes for corporations and for the wealthy, you know, is not something I intend to do.
00:50:21.000 I want to protect Social Security.
00:50:22.000 I want to raise taxes on the wealthy.
00:50:24.000 This was the Steve Bannon design plan.
00:50:27.000 And it scared the shit out of neoliberal establishment orders in the West. 0.61
00:50:31.000 When you question NATO, when you question global trade, when you question neoliberal economics, when you question endless war and imperialism, that's what turned the establishment so against Trump.
00:50:43.000 So, of course, Ron DeSantis wants to copy some of this.
00:50:46.000 I think he's adopted some of the stylistic successes of Trump, this kind of, like, very aggressive defiance toward the media that, of course, all of us love to watch because we all hate the media.
00:50:56.000 He is adopting and commandeering some of these cultural war issues in a very shrewd way.
00:51:02.000 But if you look at Ron DeSantis' record when he was in the House of Representatives, and even the things he said while he's governor, he looks a lot to me like this more traditional kind of Republican You know, more like a Mike Pompeo who kind of cleverly insinuated himself into the Trump world but doesn't really believe in or embrace any of those heterodox populist views that made Donald Trump so frightening to the establishment.
00:51:29.000 Whether, you know, we haven't heard from DeSantis for a while on foreign policy because he's been, you know, governor of Florida and it makes sense that we shouldn't.
00:51:37.000 My guess though is he's much more of a traditional Republican than Trump is, and the establishment will be much more comfortable with Iran DeSantis than with Donald Trump, but they'll try and sell DeSantis as kind of a more responsible version of Trump to get Trump supporters on board, but in reality it will be the GOP establishment retaking power in the party.
00:51:57.000 If this kind of populist rhetoric, adopted by the right but abandoned in government, is so effective in corralling an electoral support, why does the Democrat Party not use it?
00:52:12.000 Is it because, as you've just explained, they've been co-opted by economic and financial interests?
00:52:16.000 And does that therefore mean that there is room for a political movement that tries at least to legitimately deliver on the mandate that these populist figures keep garnering?
00:52:26.000 Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, one of the most significant political figures in the last, say, 50 years in Western politics was Bill Clinton.
00:52:34.000 I mean, I kind of see, like, his mirror image being Tony Blair, in that they took the Democratic Party, the Labor Party, and very consciously remade it into a party that was in bed with financial elites in particular, but also foreign policy elites as well.
00:52:48.000 And if you look at Obama, who was the Democratic president after Bill Clinton, he was very much in that tradition as well.
00:52:55.000 And for a while they continued to try and maintain this, you know, branding that the Democratic Party is, you know, the party of the common person, the working class person, you know, and you can fool people for a while with that stuff.
00:53:07.000 But for, you know, I think what really opened people's eyes, the way like I think the Iraq war did a lot for people of our age, I think the 2008 financial crisis was the thing that opened a lot of people's eyes when they
00:53:19.000 saw President Obama rush to protect the very Wall Street barons who caused the
00:53:24.000 crisis in the first place and pretty much allowed everyone else to suffer. Their
00:53:28.000 homes were foreclosed and masked, they lost all their jobs. And that I think is when people
00:53:32.000 started realizing the Democratic Party is this very kind of like cosmopolitan, elite-based
00:53:38.000 party run by people who went to Harvard and Princeton and Yale to work in all of the sort
00:53:43.000 of dominant media circles.
00:53:45.000 And their cultural views are very anathema to huge numbers of working people who might otherwise support the Democratic Party.
00:53:51.000 And that's what gave Trump that opening.
00:53:53.000 Go back and watch what he was saying in 2016.
00:53:56.000 You know, he was saying Washington is corrupt.
00:53:58.000 I know this because I used to go and give checks to politicians and I got whatever I wanted as a result.
00:54:04.000 You know, and I think The fact that there are millions of people, Russell, millions, who twice voted for Obama and then voted for Trump is something that makes no sense to elite journalists who only see the world through this Democratic versus Republican lens. 0.98
00:54:17.000 They think that's either a byproduct of stupidity or ignorance or just incoherence, but it's so clear why it happened. 0.82
00:54:24.000 It's because Obama presented himself as an outsider to the establishment, and then so did Trump, and that's what people's politics are, is anti-establishment more than anything else. 0.95
00:54:34.000 If this is the beginning of a truly anti-establishment era, and that is the one thing, of course, that the establishment cannot afford to gain momentum, does that mean that new technology, new platforms like these ones, have an obligation to get beyond critiques and analysis and into the business of genuine political movements?
00:54:52.000 Do you also think, Glenn, that there are peculiar, almost Freudian slips in real time occurring when figures of evident senility are
00:55:01.000 in presidential power mimicking almost history where a King George the
00:55:06.000 Third's decline into madness brought about the advent of contemporary democracy.
00:55:12.000 Do you think that what is truly required is an anti-establishment trans-political
00:55:18.000 movement that embraces the best of libertarianism, the best of the social
00:55:22.000 justice movement, the best of the temporal popularity gained by figures
00:55:26.000 like Corbyn and Sanders, whether you have strong views on...
00:55:31.000 Do you think that the time is now, or is the system so elegantly made that true independent anti-establishment politics will always be neutered and will inevitably fail?
00:55:46.000 No, I'm not pessimistic about that in any way.
00:55:49.000 I do think you've described the war perfectly, and there is a war.
00:55:53.000 Establishments do not give up power easily.
00:55:56.000 They attempt to crush or destroy anything that becomes a formidable force against them.
00:56:01.000 That's what censorship is about online.
00:56:03.000 They're trying to silence people who are emerging as true threats to their hegemonic control over the flow of information.
00:56:11.000 They're trying to attack platforms like Rumble as this like sewer of right-wing disinformation.
00:56:17.000 European Union states like France and Germany are threatening to remove Rumble.
00:56:21.000 In fact, in France, you can't get Rumble right now because they refuse France's order to de-platform RT.
00:56:28.000 So you see this kind of competing war taking place.
00:56:32.000 I think part of what we're doing at the risk of glorifying what it is,
00:56:36.000 I think it's not what we're doing.
00:56:37.000 It's the fact that, you know, we are able to find such large audiences even though we have no major corporations behind us.
00:56:45.000 I mean, our shows, you know, are quickly surpassing cable shows because people no longer trust that part of the corporate media.
00:56:53.000 They know that they're getting lied to.
00:56:55.000 They know what those corporate media Institutions are designed to do and that are not in their interest, they're seeking alternatives.
00:57:03.000 And I think when you do something like decide to go exclusively on a platform like Rumble that has proven its willingness to defy censorship orders, to platform people who are otherwise persona non grata in other media institutions, that is a political act.
00:57:20.000 What you're essentially saying is I'm going to use the influence I have to allow there to be spaces on the internet that still are immune to the dictates and decrees of establishment power about who and cannot be heard.
00:57:33.000 I'm going to strengthen these platforms on purpose because I believe this is where anti-establishment politics can take root.
00:57:40.000 I also think that a lot of people are coming to see the uselessness of these old traditional right versus left,
00:57:46.000 liberal versus conservative, even democratic versus Republican labels
00:57:49.000 that are really meant to keep us divided and hating one another, hating your neighbor, 0.59
00:57:53.000 hating your colleague, hating your coworker, instead of directing it at the actual centers of power.
00:58:00.000 And it's the reason why I know it's true for my audience, I'm sure it's true for yours,
00:58:04.000 that probably a third of your audience are probably leftist,
00:58:07.000 a third of your audience are probably conservatives, a third of your audience just doesn't know
00:58:11.000 what label applies to them.
00:58:13.000 And that is this kind of almost de facto discovery that we have so much more in common
00:58:19.000 across these ideological barriers that they try and keep us divided by
00:58:23.000 than we have differences.
00:58:24.000 And that's what I find most encouraging.
00:58:26.000 But don't genuine dissidents, when we move beyond the stage of rhetoric and critique and move into action, face very real threats?
00:58:36.000 when the establishment's agenda is legitimately challenged, there are means available that make genuinely challenging
00:58:46.000 movements difficult to start.
00:58:48.000 After 2008, we did see, like in Europe, the rise of Syriza on Podemos that were ultimately
00:58:53.000 co-opted and neutered by larger bureaucratic powers.
00:58:58.000 The populism of Trump, as you said, ultimately in government was not effective in the manner
00:59:02.000 effective in the manner that it declared it would be whilst campaigning and the
00:59:03.000 that it declared it would be whilst campaigning.
00:59:06.000 same could be true of a neoliberal establishment leader like Biden, even
00:59:06.000 And the same could be true of a neoliberal establishment leader
00:59:09.000 like Biden.
00:59:10.000 Even with the modest claims they made, once again in a more typical fashion,
00:59:10.000 with the modest claims they made, once again in a more typical fashion, they
00:59:13.000 they were subsumed into neutrality in government.
00:59:13.000 were subsumed into neutrality in government. I suppose what I'm asking you
00:59:16.000 I suppose what I'm asking you, Glenn, is how do we transition from places of broadcast analysis
00:59:17.000 Glenn is how do we transition from places of broadcast analysis and
00:59:22.000 rabble-rousing into genuine movements for change and is that even wise given 0.99
00:59:28.000 that your involvement with figures that have legitimately genuinely challenged
00:59:32.000 the state and including your investigative journalist work, there
00:59:36.000 are real threats I suppose what I'm saying and how do you reckon that would pan out?
00:59:39.000 You know I guess I really genuinely am optimistic and maybe some people would
00:59:44.000 consider it naive but I don't about the capacity of human reason.
00:59:48.000 I believe in human reason.
00:59:49.000 I believe in the ability to be an effective communicator and to disseminate information and analysis to people that can Make them change how they perceive the world to kind of liberate them from captivity to this framework that has been imposed upon them really almost in some senses from childhood and you know none of us is immune to this and you know the ability to communicate the flow of information is a very powerful tool that is why Russell
01:00:16.000 You know, so many establishment institutions are now so devoted to censoring it because they recognize how powerful that tool is in their hands.
01:00:25.000 If you can control the flow of information that populations receive and the information they don't receive, you can essentially make them think whatever you want and therefore do whatever you want.
01:00:36.000 So the act of Providing them alternatives to saying, here's a different way of looking at this.
01:00:41.000 Here's information that they don't want you to see.
01:00:44.000 Here are the actual ways of understanding what's happening.
01:00:48.000 It is a political act by its very nature.
01:00:50.000 If it weren't, I wouldn't bother with it.
01:00:52.000 Like, why would I wake up every day and want to do something that really was just about talking that had no consequence?
01:00:57.000 If you're a kind of impotent and ineffective, you know, fake dissident, then they'll either ignore you or co-opt you, right?
01:01:06.000 Like, that's the reason why AOC or Bernie Sanders, for all the claims that they're some kind of, like, great—you can never even conceive that those kind of people would ever get banned from Twitter or Facebook.
01:01:17.000 Those are not the dissidents.
01:01:18.000 And you know that because they're not a threat to anyone.
01:01:21.000 They're not getting attacked by anyone.
01:01:23.000 You know, the way you know that you're being threatening is when they come after you.
01:01:27.000 You know, when I did the Snowden reporting, the reason I knew that it was so damaging was they tried to do everything they could to intimidate us, to threaten us with arrest.
01:01:35.000 When I did the Brazil reporting, I knew it was destabilizing the Bolsonaro government because they tried to prosecute me for it.
01:01:41.000 When I see people getting censored, when I see platforms like Rumble being attacked in multiple ways, that's the testament To its efficacy.
01:01:50.000 And so, yeah, I'm really optimistic, Russell, about the ability to build these spaces because it's not just about talking, it's about moving hearts and minds.
01:02:00.000 And, you know, we don't need us to say that.
01:02:04.000 Just look at the way it's being attacked.
01:02:06.000 That's the proof of how effective and threatening it is.
01:02:10.000 The power is yours.
01:02:10.000 There you have it.
01:02:11.000 The power has always been yours.
01:02:13.000 And for now, the best thing we can do is to continue to support these platforms, continue to participate in this conversation, and to refuse to be kowtowed or distracted by the glamour, knowing that whatever they offer us now Next, when it comes to the crunch, like Blair in Iraq, when it comes to the crunch with Obama and the crisis, they will return to type.
01:02:32.000 The system only presents alternatives that are phony.
01:02:35.000 It will never give you viable alternatives.
01:02:37.000 And the attacks that these platforms and our movement faces is proof in itself of its legitimacy.
01:02:43.000 Glenn, thank you so much for joining us and for giving us your time.
01:02:47.000 Thank you so much for Giving this platform the credibility that your excellence no doubt gives it.
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01:03:07.000 You're gonna be one of them Russell.
01:03:08.000 I'm gonna have you like very diminished and really low down and being able to talk that way.
01:03:12.000 Thank you for having me and keep up the great work.
01:03:14.000 I want to be projected onto the ceiling with sort of angel wings.
01:03:19.000 We'll work on that for you.
01:03:21.000 Bless you, Glenn.
01:03:21.000 Thank you so much for joining us, and good luck with the show.
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