In this episode of the podcast, Russell Brand talks about the new president, Donald Trump and his relationship with the late John F. Kennedy, and why he thinks he could be a good president. He also talks about why he doesn t think Donald Trump will be a bad president, and what he would do if he won the election. Russell Brand is a stand-up comedian, actor, comedian, writer, and podcaster. His work has appeared in The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Hollywood Reporter, and The New Republic, and he is a regular on the BBC Radio 4 Breakfast Show. He is married to the former White House Press Secretary Sean Connery, and they have a daughter, Callie Means, and a son-in-law, Robert Kennedy, who are both members of the Kennedy family. He is also the author of the book Bobby Kennedy: A Man Who Sold His Life For a Dream and has been a regular contributor to the New York Post and the Los Angeles Times, and has a book out now called The Assassination of John F Kennedy: The Untold Story which details the life and death of the late Kennedys, and how they conspired to bring down a man who was a powerful man to power. The Kennedy family, Robert F Kennedy, was assassinated in the early 20th century, and his daughter, Bobby Kennedy s relationship with Donald Trump, is the subject of a new book, JFK: The Man Who Wasn t Who He Knew Who He Said He Was, by Robert Kennedy s son Bobby Kennedy. and Robert Kennedy's relationship with Trump s daughter, Hillary Clinton, and the relationship between the Kennedy s and Trump s relationship, and Kennedy s support for Trump s campaign, and their friendship, Bobby s friendship, and support for Donald Trump s presidential ambitions, and Bobby s support of Trump s election campaign, in which Trump s appointment of his campaign, the Trump administration, in 2020, and more, we discuss the Kennedy Foundation, and much more. Russell talks about what it means for the future of American politics and what it s going to look like under a Trump administration under Trump s next president, in the Trump s administration, and gives us the chance to know more about Kennedy s legacy, and its impact on the future, and also what it could mean for the country, and our relationship with JFK s legacy and the legacy of JFK s next President, John Kennedy s future.
00:15:38.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:15:42.000I did a few squats and push-ups just before I started to put me in my body properly.
00:15:49.000It's just so easy to just live Cerebrally and ethereally.
00:15:54.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll stay on there for about 15-20 minutes really to bring you over at Rumble, our home where we can speak freely.
00:16:05.000A platform where actually you can handle the complexity that we'll be covering in some...
00:16:14.000We're going to cover in some complexity the challenge that comes with this.
00:16:19.000Say you believe in the MAGA movement and the Maha movement.
00:16:24.000Say if you're one of those people who's of independent spirit and are particularly heartened by the alliance between Bobby Kennedy and Trump.
00:16:33.000How do we, for example, envisage in America, post a second Trump election, but this time it's not Trump 2016, it's Trump 2024, and where Trump, on his Rogan interview...
00:16:49.000Talked about how, like, the mistake he made was the appointments that he made when he was in office last time.
00:16:57.000Will Trump, and this is a question for all of you in the chat, you guys in Rumble, like Magamay and Jude the Brain and Dee Harding 172 and Rock Monster of Word of Mouth, and I do, yeah, I've got to do more cardio.
00:17:10.000Maybe you're right, I'm going to start doing some cardio.
00:17:12.000You're right, ADADAMDC, I've not done enough cardio lately.
00:18:17.000Or what if, you know, Bobby Kennedy or comparable influences within the Trump, the new Trump administration, you know, if Callie Means is going to get a voice, for example.
00:18:28.000I'm not privy to insider information, I'm just asking questions.
00:18:31.000If he was to say, you know, the only way that you're going to be able to make America healthy again is if you make legislation that's going to cripple Coca-Cola.
00:18:44.000Let me know in the comments in the chat if you think Donald Trump is going to do that.
00:18:49.000Is there going to be an interrogation into what went down during that pandemic?
00:18:54.000We all like to go, whoa, Fauci, that guy was not what he claimed to be.
00:18:58.000Let's have a look at the history of Fauci, and there's no better place to look, I would argue, than Bobby Kennedy's book on the man.
00:19:04.000But do we think that Pfizer and Moderna and all of the powerful interests in the pharmaceutical world are going to be challenged?
00:19:14.000Let's get beyond that into the biggest business there is, war.
00:19:18.000We all, and just so you know my personal position, although who cares about personal position really, I'm against all war.
00:19:27.000And I believe in all of the conflicts that are taking place that have the potential, particularly to become global, were they to escalate, Ukraine, Russia, Israel, Palestine, and what appears to be developing in the South China seas between your country, the United States, and China, around Taiwan, and perhaps more locally and particularly semiconductors.
00:19:51.000That the heft of the United States and the alliances that the United States have on the basis of that power ought be deployed in order to bring about immediately diplomatic solutions.
00:20:07.000But is that a position that you share or do you think there are some instances where you want US interventionism?
00:20:13.000And if that is your position, do you think that Trump...
00:20:18.000Are we assuming that Trump's going to win in November the 5th?
00:20:21.000Or do you think that old Dominion voting machines might have something to say?
00:20:27.000Did you see that meme with Kamala Harris like Princess Leia?
00:20:31.000Help me, Dominion machines, you're my only hope!
00:20:33.000You know, do you think that there's a possibility that something scandalous could happen between now and the 5th of November, which for British people is bonfire night, Guy Fawkes night, where there was a moment of revolution that went awry about 150, 200 years ago, 300?
00:20:50.000I don't know, I'm not very good with maths or history or really any subjects at all.
00:20:53.000That's why you shouldn't take my opinions too seriously, because they are just spontaneous reactions to external stimuli.
00:20:59.000So I guess the big question is, are there embedded corporate and globalist interests that are so powerful and deep that even the President of the United States can't impact them?
00:21:11.000If you want a recent example of that, it's Joe Biden saying, we beat Big Pharma this year!
00:21:15.000And what he was referring to was not beating Big Pharma this year, he was referring to limited price caps on a small number of pharmaceutical products.
00:21:26.000That was being referred to As a victory.
00:21:29.000Now Trump is a very different proposition from Biden.
00:21:31.000I believe much of the loathing and ire directed at Donald Trump is a direct result of the fact that he is an anomaly.
00:21:53.000And will he have, in this new incarnation of the MAGA movement, the power to go up against Big Pharma, the power to go up against the military-industrial complex?
00:22:02.000And at that, what seems to have been an extraordinary rally in Madison Square Gardens last night, with so many people we're familiar with on this channel, Tucker Carlson, Dana White, who's coming on the show on Friday, so many names, Bobby Kennedy himself, and of course members of the Trump family.
00:22:20.000Do you feel, do you feel that Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Pfizer, NATO, not only big state and bureaucratic agencies like NATO, not only big state and bureaucratic agencies like NATO, WHO, etc., but corporate interests, big tech, Alphabet, Amazon, Pfizer.
00:22:45.000Do you think they're watching that rally?
00:22:47.000Let me know in the comments, I'm thinking, uh-oh, we're in trouble.
00:22:50.000This guy's coming for the big corporations.
00:22:54.000Let me know what you think, because that's what we're going to be covering.
00:22:56.000Yeah, Tony Hinchcliffe, that was a brilliant bit of stand-up from him.
00:22:58.000We're going to be covering all of that over the course of the next hour.
00:23:03.000We'll be with you for about another 10 minutes on YouTube.
00:23:07.000Then I'm going to invite you to become an Awaken Wonder so you can see our principal new project, Break Bread with Russell Brand, in which we have conversations about Christianity.
00:23:16.000I spoke this week with Ruslan, a brilliant YouTuber on the subject of Christianity.
00:23:21.000And here's a brief moment of that now for you.
00:23:27.000It's telling you exactly how you can Yes, I believe that we are made right because of the blood of Jesus, because of accepting Him by faith, that it is a gift.
00:23:34.000It is not something we've done with our own will and our own militia.
00:23:38.000And then, as a byproduct of that, we then continue on in this journey to make sure that we are being consecrated, sanctified, cooperating with the Spirit of God.
00:23:47.000So that unction we all feel to like, you know, I was short with the kids this morning, or I wasn't very pleasant at the grocery store yesterday.
00:23:55.000Whatever that thing is, we need to acknowledge that before the Lord and confess those on a regular basis as well.
00:24:02.000That conversation is up on Locals now for our members, and tomorrow I'm going to be talking to Carl Lentz.
00:24:24.000And why am I so interested in Christianity?
00:24:26.000Precisely because I believe we need God.
00:24:29.000We need a living God to solve the political problems that we are facing.
00:24:33.000How else will there be peace in the Middle East?
00:24:36.000How else will there be peace between Ukraine and Russia?
00:24:38.000How else will we have political systems that are run in accordance with principles that we can all agree on when in the realm of rationalism, individualism and materialism, all there is is doubt and division.
00:24:52.000Those are some of the questions we're going to be answering over the coming hour.
00:24:55.000Let's get into our content though because there's been a lot of silly stuff happening.
00:24:58.000We're going to be looking at Rogan's chat with Trump.
00:25:01.000We're going to be looking at the rally.
00:25:02.000We're going to be looking about further funding for For Ukraine versus Russia.
00:25:09.000I pray for the people of Russia that there will be peace.
00:25:11.000Before we get into all of that, let's have a look at Kamala Harris who's doing like...
00:25:16.000Now listen, I... What's with the accents?
00:25:21.000I'm actually thinking about it myself, right?
00:25:23.000I'm from what you might call a blue-collar British background, Essex.
00:25:26.000It's the New Jersey of the United Kingdom.
00:25:30.000So if someone's right, I'll talk a bit like that, depending on what kind of people I'm around like.
00:25:33.000I might speak a bit more like that, lean into the accent a little bit.
00:25:35.000Say, for example, if I find myself talking to a working-class geezer from Essex or East London or wherever, I'll talk a bit more like that.
00:25:42.000But then, on occasion, I'm quite capable of speaking like this, if it's required of me.
00:25:48.000All of us, perhaps, as your brilliant writer David Foster Wallace observed, speak numerous dialects.
00:25:54.000What is it that you call African-American?
00:27:02.000Would the real Kamala Harris please stand up?
00:27:05.000Perhaps there is no real Kamala Harris, because there's only the Kamala Harris that the system requires.
00:27:10.000What the system requires, and by the system I mean the interface between the Democratic Party and institutions that are not altered in electoral cycles, deep state, globalism, what they require, it seems, based on the cultural arguments that they're supporting, is a person of colour, a female in fact, a woman of colour.
00:27:29.000Of colour who can advocate for positions that will ultimately benefit the continuing power of the state, deep state and globalism in order to distract us from the fact that those are themselves tyrannical, centralised, authoritarian entities.
00:27:45.000And in order to do that, first you have to present a superficial case in the cipher that you offer us to vote for and secondly, the opponent has to be portrayed as a deep, scarlet, Scarlet and satanic entity.
00:28:35.000What do you say to those people, especially ones who might be concerned that, you know, doing a big closing argument speech at a place like the Ellipse may be leaning more into talking about the threat of Trump to democracy and not its threats that you see to the economy?
00:28:51.000One of the things that I love about the American people is we can hold many thoughts at once.
00:28:59.000And one of the highest priorities for the American people right now is bringing down costs, and that is the priority of my agenda and will be the priority of my work when I'm elected president of the United States.
00:29:10.000You know, Stephen Hawking, God rest his eternal soul, although I think he was an atheist, he, like, had that, you know, the universe is expanding.
00:29:18.000He had, like, a sort of voice box that could fire off certain quotes.
00:29:22.000And I figure because a lot of people ask Stephen Hawking the same question, some of them were, like, preloaded.
00:29:37.000The preloaded answers, didn't they, Stephen Hawking?
00:29:40.000And I think that's what most, maybe most of us are like that, but it's particularly redolent and exposing when it's a person who we have given the attributes we wish they had.
00:29:53.000The Democratic Party wish they had a kind of part Obama, part Martin Luther King...
00:29:59.000The good bits of Hillary Clinton, I suppose that would be her drive.
00:30:28.000We live out the same experiences continually without the ability to be spontaneous and true spontaneity will come from reacting to the moment and the moment is where you will find the Lord and the moment where you will find awakening.
00:30:39.000Let me know in the comments in the chat if you agree with that on Rumble and on YouTube and also you Awaken Wonders in the locals community.
00:30:46.000Stay with us because it's just a matter of time before we're going to be on with Carl Lentz.
00:31:23.000Well, if that's the case and you've missed the deadline to file for an extension, you have to ensure that you are ready in the case that the IRS ramp up enforcement.
00:32:17.000Whatever you think of Donald Trump, his willingness to participate in a three-hour-long conversation with Joe Rogan is an indication that he's willing to be interrogated.
00:32:28.000Now, we're not privy to any pre-production conversations.
00:32:32.000What was on the table, what was off the table when it comes to questions.
00:32:35.000I've not watched it in its entirety yet, so were there any notable questions that weren't asked?
00:32:42.000But what we can say, with some certainty, is Kamala Harris refused the Joe Rogan opportunity.
00:32:48.000We're going to leave you if you're on YouTube right now, start the countdown.
00:32:50.000So why would Kamala Harris not agree to be interviewed by the most popular online broadcaster, broadcaster and streamer, full stop?
00:33:01.000If you want to reach a large audience, if you want to win an election, you've got to talk to Joe Rogan.
00:33:07.000And if you've got nothing to hide, why would you be afraid to sit down with Joe Rogan for three hours and say, just ask me what you want and I'll do my best?
00:33:14.000What does it tell us that one candidate would do that and one candidate wouldn't?
00:33:20.000We're going to be answering that question and so many more.
00:33:23.000Let's have a look at The reasons why Kamala Harris might not be down with that kind of stuff.
00:33:29.000I think Michelle Obama's sticking up for her here.
00:33:31.000She's putting herself out there fearlessly, facing down even her harshest critics.
00:33:37.000She's seeking out Republicans to find common ground.
00:33:42.000I've found some common ground with Dick Cheney.
00:33:45.000What that common ground is, is the Middle Eastern territories that American tax dollars will be used to fund wars with and territorial takeovers of.
00:33:57.000But having common ground with Dick Cheney ain't a great thing.
00:34:47.000And unlike her opponent, she's not ducking interviews or cowering in safe spaces only with fawning audiences.
00:34:55.000No, she's showing us what a sane, stable leader looks like.
00:35:00.000Oh, wow, that's fantastic and brilliant.
00:35:03.000I'm looking at their chat in the Awakened Wonders, and I can see someone, I can't see the name of the person, but a few of you have posted it a couple of times, talking about what my perspective is on the Middle East.
00:35:24.000And when it comes to my overall position, when it comes to government, The left has been totally co-opted and is now controlled by corporatism and globalism.
00:36:12.000If you're spiritual, that means, well, the dictionary says spiritual means not material.
00:36:16.000It means you're looking, intuiting, feeling, sensing powers that are not measurable and rational, not in the sensory sense of that word, a deeper, more opaque.
00:36:28.000A subtler form of power is available to us if we are correctly attuned.
00:36:34.000Now, the Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was asked about how concerned she was about the long-term status of the dollar with the BRICS summit taking place, which could collapse the global power of the dollar.
00:36:46.000Sometimes a power greater than ourselves steps in to indicate exactly what we should be concerned about, to give us a subtler, symbolic interpretation of events and almost an omen of what might come to pass.
00:37:03.000And that beautifully and appositely occurs right here, right now, when Janet Yellen, Treasury Secretary, is asked, are you worried about the bricks at all?
00:37:13.000And over a longer time horizon, how concerned are you about the potential impact of the dollar status as the world's reserve currency?
00:37:25.000I mean, I'm not superstitious, but that appears to be the universe saying the whole thing could collapse if we're not extremely careful.
00:37:33.000Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
00:37:36.000Now, we've all seen Tim Waltz's extraordinary wife speaking patronisingly to audiences up and down the country, and one of the most famous things about Tim Waltz was You know, if kids are hungry in school, what that does to brain and learning?
00:38:22.000Well, I won't be needing them because I don't menstruate.
00:38:25.000There's an extraordinary piece of rationale right there.
00:38:29.000Okay, so of course one of the big stories that we are covering is the Madison Square Garden rally.
00:38:36.000Was it a contemporary political event to drive support before an election?
00:38:42.000Or was it a harking back to fascism beyond nationalism, Nazism?
00:38:49.000Was it an attempt to recreate a 1939 America First style rally in which people literally wore swastikas?
00:38:55.000And if it was, would you see the Star of David there?
00:38:58.000And would Donald Trump have recently met with imams and other leaders from the Muslim community?
00:39:04.000I'm not saying that political leaders aren't capable of making astute choices in order to mask true intentions.
00:39:10.000I believe that's actually de rigueur and the modus operandi of most political movements in the world today.
00:39:17.000But is Donald Trump really the next Hitler?
00:39:20.000Or do the inept globalists that currently run America and have been since the election of Joe Biden, perhaps for a lot longer than that, require a truly demonic opponent in order to mask their own Luciferian intentions?
00:39:34.000Let's get into this story about Madison Square Gardens and MSNBC once again finding new ways to compare...
00:39:55.000But that jamboree happening right now, you see it there on your screen, in that place, is particularly chilling.
00:40:02.000Because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf Hitler, packed the garden for a so-called pro-America rally, a rally where speakers voiced anti-Semitic rhetoric from a stage draped with Nazi banners.
00:40:19.000When a Jewish protester rushed the stage, the Associated Press reported, quote, instantly a dozen or more stormtroopers set upon him, knocking him down and beating him as he held his head in his arms.
00:40:32.000Most of his clothing was torn from his body.
00:40:44.000I'm sure there are lots of people that support Trump and support MAGA that would say, I don't think that the Jewish guy that rushed the stage in 1939 should have been stripped near naked and attacked by stormtroopers.
00:40:54.000In fact, the reason that the United States joined the war, as well as there would have been certainly territorial and economic reasons...
00:41:00.000Was at least in part to defend the threatened Jews then from genocide.
00:41:05.000That's why genocide in any form continues to of course be bad.
00:41:10.000Later, he was booked for disorderly conduct.
00:41:14.000Now, against that backdrop of history, Donald Trump...
00:41:19.000Again, now, I want you to give you that backdrop.
00:42:08.000He's trying to look at the painting and imagine it in the mind of Hitler.
00:42:12.000So maybe against that backdrop will you please vote for Kamala Harris, even though plainly she is an inept hollow cipher of the interests of globalism.
00:42:27.000Donald Trump, the man who has threatened to use the military against opponents he calls enemies from within, who has threatened to use...
00:42:36.000Just now a law's been passed in your country allowing the use of lethal force at protest.
00:42:42.000You know that after January 6th they increased the funding to the Capitol Police.
00:42:46.000In Washington, you know that the level of authoritarianism you experienced in your country during the pandemic period.
00:42:53.000And right now, another $50 billion is being given by the G7 to fund the ongoing Ukraine-Russia war where the Azov Battalion fight on behalf of...
00:43:20.000But when it comes to tyranny, when it comes to subjects like genocide and the various ways that that could be expressed, you've got to be very, very careful about the people that are masking themselves in liberalism and compassion because they are likely the biggest threat.
00:43:33.000To use the troops to quell what he says are lawless cities and to use those troops to carry out mass deportations of immigrants is once again turning Madison Square Garden into a staging ground for extremism.
00:43:50.000Let's have a look at some of the other things that happened at Madison Square Garden.
00:43:54.000Firstly, I want to see Bobby Kennedy giving a speech there.
00:43:57.000Now, loads of you are 2016 MAGA. Loads of you have loved Trump from the minute he come down the golden escalator.
00:44:03.000Loads of you just love Trump as a guy.
00:44:05.000A lot of you are, like, kind of skeptical, confused about Donald Trump.
00:44:09.000I'm sure there's a variety of opinions on the character and nature of Donald Trump.
00:44:14.000Many people will be fascinated that an independent figure like Bobby Kennedy, lifelong affiliated with the Democratic Party, is now part of the MAGA movement.
00:44:22.000And I would invite former liberal friends of mine to ponder what is the relationship between Democratic former...
00:44:31.000Bobby Kennedy would be a nominee for the Democratic Party if the Democratic Party would afford an independent candidate, and I mean independent-minded in this sense, to rise within their ranks.
00:45:02.000One of my big questions is, in the event of a MAGA and Trump victory in November, is Bobby Kennedy going to be allowed to?
00:45:11.000Stand up against the FDA and stand up against Pfizer.
00:45:14.000Is he going to be able to stand up against big food?
00:45:16.000Is he going to be able to curtail the controls that agriculture have over your land and over your farming?
00:45:24.000Is he going to be able to, obviously along with Trump who's going to be the president and it's not part of his purview to intervene in geopolitical and military matters, but will the mindset...
00:45:32.000of opposing corporatism and globalism be able to prevail.
00:45:36.000Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
00:45:39.000Here is Bobby Kennedy saying he didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me.
00:45:44.000And I say, I don't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.
00:45:53.000Is it not the party anymore of Martin Luther King, of Robert Kennedy, of John Kennedy?
00:46:02.000It was the party of constitutional rights, of civil rights, of freedom of speech.
00:46:10.000It was the party that wanted to protect and nurture the middle class.
00:46:17.000It was the party that stood up to censorship, to surveillance, that stood up to the CIA, to the military complex, military industrial complex.
00:46:34.000And it was the party that wanted to protect public health.
00:46:37.000It was the party that believed in voting rights and fought for the right of every American to vote for the person of their choice.
00:46:46.000Today's Democratic Party is the party of war.
00:46:50.000It's the party of the CIA. You had Kamala Harris giving a speech at the Democratic Convention that was written by neocons, that was belligerent, ignatious, Actually, do you know what I want to do?
00:47:09.000This is an open invitation to any people that are thinking of voting for Kamala Harris and the Democrats.
00:47:15.000What do you make of Bobby Kennedy's position and inclusion in this movement?
00:47:21.000How do you reconcile the rhetoric of Kamala Harris and the celebrities that endorse her With the ongoing wars that are being supported by American taxpayer dollars across the world right now.
00:47:32.000Why is Kamala Harris not saying, I will use the office of president to ensure that peace is brought about in these various regional wars that have the potential to escalate to a global war.
00:47:42.000I will use the office of president to oppose the corporations that are currently clandestine operators when it comes to I will ensure the deconstruction of the deep state so that you, the American people, have maximum individual sovereignty, maximum community governance.
00:48:02.000We will not continually be looking for ways to impair, incur, control your freedom and authority.
00:48:10.000Why don't you go on Joe Rogan's Kamala Harris and say just that, because that will be difficult to defy.
00:48:16.000That will be difficult to argue with and let me answer my own rhetorical question.
00:48:19.000The reason Kamala Harris cannot do that is because Kamala Harris, whether she knows it or not, is totally dependent on globalist and corporatist power.
00:48:31.000Now I'm not saying that that is a problem that is exclusively on one side of the political aisle.
00:48:36.000There's no doubt that the Republican Party Musk get donations from big energy and big tech and billionaires.
00:48:43.000And Elon Musk is the richest man in the world, isn't he?
00:48:46.000And he's going to have some pretty powerful corporate interests.
00:48:48.000But when it comes to the figure of Elon Musk, he did open up X. We do know what was going on in Twitter, FBI, CIA, under Biden, under Kamala Harris.
00:48:59.000So the reason people are cynical and skeptical about Kamala Harris is because there's good reason to be.
00:49:04.000And the people that aren't, the people that are still basically saying, hold your nose and vote for this flavour of corruption, are you not noticing that Bobby Kennedy, like, Bobby Kennedy, a couple of years ago, I was scared to have him on my show.
00:49:17.000I was like, whoa, this guy's been a bit, like, vocal on the subject of vaccines.
00:49:21.000This guy's been a bit out there with his criticisms of Anthony Fauci.
00:49:25.000This guy's took on a powerful, powerful corporate interest in agriculture and in pharma.
00:49:30.000Are you sure, Russell, were you brave enough...
00:50:14.000Now, which direction do you think that Kamala Harris wants to take the country in?
00:50:17.000Do you think that ultimately you're going to end up with more globalism, more corporatism, great global leviathans whose tentacles lash And the reason for
00:50:51.000Because within, there is the concealment Of an agenda that can't ever be explicitly expressed.
00:50:59.000And also, I would say, as well as that agenda, I don't know how much someone like Kamala Harris would be privy to the sort of deep machinations of globalism.
00:51:07.000There is the sense that I don't really know what bloody hell to say in response to some of these questions.
00:51:13.000I mean, you know, anyone who watches that can see it in real time.
00:51:23.000The Harris campaign is very proud that it received the endorsement of 50 former CIA agents and officers, and of John Bolton, and of Dick Cheney.
00:51:42.000These are the people that gave us the war in Iraq, the worst Foreign policy catastrophe that's ever happened in this country.
00:51:57.000These are the people that gave us the Patriot Act and launched the surveillance state.
00:52:05.000These are the people that are trying to undermine voting rights in this country.
00:52:11.000By weaponizing the federal agencies against political candidates, including me and Donald Trump and all other political candidates.
00:52:21.000And instead of bringing in a candidate who wins the primaries, abolish the primaries, and then pick two candidates, anoint them without receiving votes.
00:52:35.000We don't even know how Kamala Harris received the nomination.
00:52:40.000Extraordinary, and that doesn't seem like the kind of free speech and open democracy that that party claims to represent and claims to bring in were they to be granted another four years, because let's remember they're in office right now.
00:52:54.000And if Donald Trump is the Hitlerian authoritarian despot that they claim, then why is he absolutely Actively seeking the endorsement of Imams and members of the Muslim community.
00:53:07.000I suppose whatever your position is on the variety of faiths, the Abrahamic and the non-Abrahamic faiths, surely you recognise that what we all aim for is a vision at least of unity because the alternative to unity is tyranny.
00:53:24.000There's voluntary surrender and involuntary surrender.
00:53:27.000Let's have a look at this story about Trump and his recent endorsements from imams, mayors and other Muslim community leaders.
00:54:43.000Now, can those claims be made by supporters of the Democratic Party, or do you believe that they are more deeply controlled, let me know in the comments and chat, by globalist powers, and let's call it what it is, the military-industrial complex.
00:54:57.000And will Donald Trump, in office, be able to oppose the likes of Raytheon, Norfolk Grumman, Lockheed Martin, those great, powerful, and extraordinary entities that exist under the general umbrellas of the Black Rocks and the Vanguards, and who knows what powers lie even beyond them. and who knows what powers lie even beyond them.
00:55:16.000And are any of us safe from the influence of those powers, no matter what institution or system we were to politically advocate for?
00:55:22.000One thing we can say about Donald Trump, with some certainty, is the guy knows how to communicate in the modern social media sphere.
00:55:30.000It was he, after all, that first deployed Twitter as a political tool, baffling his opponents with his caps lock attacks, and now still to this day, with the world trying to amend and adjust to the new landscape that Trump has certainly participated in the creation of, He is still at the forefront of communications.
00:55:47.000You've seen the Joe Rogan-Donald Trump interview by now, and you probably would have come away from it thinking, I don't know, that he seems somewhat comfortable and affable in a three-hour conversation.
00:55:58.000I've been on Joe Rogan, and I find it hard just to cope with not going for a pee.
00:56:02.000That's the biggest challenge I'm having most of the time in that chair.
00:56:20.000Let's have a look at this part of the conversation before delving into the somewhat more significant matter of how will he handle control of the deep state and corporatist interests.
00:56:29.000First though, Trump and his sense of humour.
00:56:34.000So I always got more publicity than other people, and it wasn't like I was trying.
00:57:27.000One of the beautiful things about you is that you freeball.
00:57:31.000Like, you get out and you do these huge events, and you're just talking.
00:57:36.000We've highlighted you on the show many times when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around and he doesn't know what he's doing.
00:58:48.000If Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
00:58:52.000In a way, Trump talking to Rogan is in a sense the, hmm, you could call it the symbolic event of our new media landscape.
00:59:03.000Trump is the first post-mass media or mass social media political leader and Joe Rogan is its first true star.
00:59:12.000The two of them communicating on almost any subject, and of course they covered a variety, amounts to the epitomizing event of our time.
00:59:22.000Even something as significant as the MAGA movement and the forthcoming election pale in significance when contrasted with what might be happening epochally.
00:59:32.000Now by epochally I mean beneath the superficial and stimulating events on the surface there are deeper trends.
01:00:45.000It's impossible, I reckon, to imagine that Kamala Harris can win this election because after that Madison Square Garden rally and after that Joe Rogan conversation, and did you see some of the polls around it?
01:00:57.000People like 96% of people would vote for Trump.
01:00:59.000Now, of course, it's a particular section of the audience.
01:01:02.000There are places where in Manhattan, say, or places in LA where you could go and you would not meet anyone that likes Joe Rogan or Donald Trump.
01:01:13.000The culture has been ordered irrevocably.
01:01:16.000The technology that we have now can be used to create total decentralization, or at least maximum decentralization.
01:01:26.000And I suppose you couldn't have any cohesion within decentralization unless there were some agreed upon guiding principles, perhaps like autonomy within each community.
01:01:35.000And perhaps simple things like end all forms of genocide and war, use diplomacy to advocate for peace always rather than to facilitate the military advantages of the potentially inferior or superior side, you know.
01:01:52.000There's always going to be a requirement for human beings, for virtue, for principles, and those principles have to be derived from something.
01:01:59.000And I don't think you can derive those principles from the culture and its vicissitudes and its continual changes.
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01:04:14.000Now Kamala Harris weren't very comfortable.
01:04:16.000Was she talking about mistakes when Anderson Cooper in that softball interview asked her, what mistakes have you made?
01:04:22.000She said, I think my biggest mistakes is I like listening to the advice of a large team that are around me of experts, that's a literal definition of aristocracy, and technocracy, but that's just a side note.
01:04:33.000That's a side note, don't get caught up in that.
01:04:38.000Now, let me know in the comments and chat, is this the kind of authenticity and integrity that you expect?
01:04:43.000And, in a minute, what we'll look at is how, in this part of the conversation, what comes to the forefront, if you ask me, is the big challenge that any eventual Trump administration would be confronted with.
01:04:54.000How do you take on Big Pharma, the military-industrial complex, and globalism Not in its bureaucratic forms, which would be groups like the WHO and NATO. You can just tell them we're stopping funding you and we're not signing your treaties.
01:05:07.000But when it comes to Google, Raytheon, Boeing, Pfizer, BlackRock, let me know in the comments and chat.
01:05:16.000Do you think Trump and the MAGA movement are going to take on that aspect of globalism?
01:05:24.000Rogan and Trump chatting about exactly that.
01:05:27.000Then we're going to move into this significant moment that will have been lost because of the nature of the coverage that's going on about the electoral cycle.
01:05:34.000Another $50 billion has been granted to Ukraine.
01:05:37.000And, you know, Ukraine shouldn't be being annihilated by Russia.
01:07:58.000And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man, Trump's going to go to war with us.
01:08:08.000He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
01:08:12.000I mean, he's still got the quality that sets him apart, is that he sounds like a normal person.
01:08:18.000I mean, he's an extraordinary person, isn't he?
01:08:19.000He's a billionaire, and he's achieved in a variety of fields.
01:08:27.000I mean, when you hear someone talk like that, compared to the peculiar intonations of Kamala or Clinton, or even, like, Bush Sr., Or, you know, certainly career politicians like Cheney, etc.
01:08:40.000You notice that he's talking in a way that's sort of recognisable.
01:08:45.000It's very unusual and it's extraordinary.
01:08:48.000So, do you think, though, there might be more to, obviously there is more, to running the United States of America than that?
01:08:54.000And in particular and specifically, rather than just the appointments that are made of, you know, sort of hawkish figures like John Bolton, what are their relationships going to be like with Pfizer and other, like, for example...
01:09:04.000Is Donald Trump saying, what we're going to do is we're going to ban lobbying as a profession.
01:09:42.000Now, what's happening with the G7 sending 50 billion to perpetuate the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
01:09:49.000And I say this because if Ukraine couldn't continue to fund that war, then they would have to come to terms with Russia, and they would not be favourable terms because Russia would be the victor.
01:09:58.000So I suppose what the G7 could be doing is saying, look, we're not going to fund the perpetuation of the war, but we are going to support Ukraine when it comes to the negotiation.
01:10:10.000Okay, let's have a look at that story.
01:10:12.000U.S. and its G7 allies are moving forward with a $50 billion loan package to help Ukraine fight Russia.
01:10:18.000The U.S. is contributing $20 billion in economic and military aid, but Congress still needs to give the go-ahead for the military part of that package.
01:10:26.000This aid will be vital for Ukraine as winter is on the horizon.
01:10:31.000So this is the House Intel chief saying that the US must consider direct military action if North Korean troops fight in Ukraine.
01:10:39.000So there's the potential for this thing to continue escalating, and it's interesting that this is a Republican saying that if North Korea join Russia, there will be a continuation of funding.
01:10:48.000So does that mean that even in the event of a Trump presidency...
01:10:52.000Let me know in the comments in chat what you think about that.
01:10:54.000So, Mike Turner, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, has called for the US to consider direct military action if North Korean troops are sent to fight in Ukraine.
01:11:03.000If North Korean troops were to invade Ukraine's sovereign territory, the United States needs to seriously consider taking direct military action against North Korean troops, Turner wrote on X. The Ohio Congressman also said, if North Korean troops attack Ukraine from Russian territory, the US... Should support long-range Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory using NATO-provided missiles, which Russia has made clear risks nuclear war.
01:11:27.000Zelensky claimed that about 10,000 North Korean troops could enter the war.
01:11:31.000He's hyping up the threat to push the US and NATO to adopt his so-called victory plan, which calls for significant escalations in military support.
01:11:38.000Now, I don't think any of us want to see significant escalations in that conflict, or any conflict.
01:11:42.000What we want is de-escalation and peace.
01:11:44.000Indeed, isn't Palm Doesn't it seem a little martial, a little stone age, a little Neanderthal,
01:12:00.000that we're continuing to resolve territorial disputes through Bloodshed and violence, particularly when there's a level of complexity in those territorial disputes that needs to be unpacked with God, I don't know, philosophy, theology, rationalism, a whole variety of disciplines could be brought to bear on the complex wars that are playing out both in the Middle East and in Europe and could be escalating elsewhere.
01:12:20.000Also, if we don't somehow disrupt this trend where crisis for ordinary people equals opportunity for powerful interests and institutions, an obvious example being the pandemic, Now,
01:12:46.000one of the challenges is, if you reduce the size of the state, which I do believe is necessary, is who is it then that is going to control regulations?
01:12:56.000Rampant corporatism and globalism, which is a significant part of the globalist machine.
01:13:01.000It's not just the state that is controlling us, it is the state in partnership with corporatism.
01:13:07.000So are we going to see genuine opposition to, let's just name some of the brands, who are the companies that benefit from Americans not being healthy again?
01:13:19.000Who are the interests that benefit from From America being in perpetual war, in perpetual sickness.
01:13:26.000If you can name them, if you can identify their logos, then you can directly ask of your leaders, whether it were Kamala Harris or Donald Trump.
01:13:37.000Are you going to oppose the most powerful interests in the world, which we now know to be the nexus of interests that meet between corporatism and globalist bureaucracies?
01:13:46.000So, yes, oppose NATO. Yes, refuse the WHO treaty.
01:14:00.000Because if you were to analyse and scrutinise at some length the way that perhaps, I don't know, Amazon, Alphabet, Affiliate, Apple, the AAAs, pay taxes.
01:14:09.000I bet you would find some anomalies when compared to how you pay taxes.
01:14:14.000I bet you would find convenient loopholes.
01:14:16.000And when it comes to donating and congressmen and women owning stocks and shares in companies that they regulate, you would find some hypocrisies.
01:14:25.000And if those interests aren't opposed, then we haven't done the necessary job, have we?
01:14:36.000Okay, well, listen, if you're not on Awaken Wonder yet, you should seriously consider becoming one, because we do our show, Break Bread, once a week, in which I talk about the Christian component of changing the world.
01:14:46.000That doesn't mean you have to be Christian, but it just means that I am Christian.
01:14:50.000Let's have a look at this part of the conversation I had with Ruslan the other day.
01:14:55.000Ah, this is us taking a little bit of literal communion, or is this the bit where I... Reflect on where problems are coming from.
01:16:04.000I didn't realize that the problem was, I want to be God.
01:16:08.000And when you categorically accept Jesus Christ, a fully man, fully God, came to earth...
01:16:14.000Died for my sins that I may be redeemed, rose again that I may know eternal life.
01:16:18.000All of my meanness, which is the problem, you know, I might complain about global politics, I might complain about the culture, but a lot of the problems wasn't because of Putin or Kamala Harris or Diddy.
01:16:32.000The problems were because I couldn't deal with I'm not getting my own way.
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01:16:58.000I wouldn't want to have an argument with Megyn Kelly.
01:17:01.000She knows how to handle combat, don't she?
01:17:07.000She's a person that, when confronted, knows how to handle it.
01:17:11.000I saw her quite recently defending her decision to be a Trump supporter, which is extraordinary because one of the great iconic moments of 2015 was like blood, blood coming from her eyes, blood coming from other places.
01:17:22.000That kind of stuff was pretty intense.
01:17:29.000Here she is, and the title says, torching, torching Bill Maher for his criticism of Trump.
01:17:36.000Now, Bill Maher is another person, like Chris Cuomo now, who's coming out and sort of recognizing, hang on a minute, these institutions, the Democratic Party's corrupt.
01:17:43.000It's a very interesting moment in your country.
01:17:45.000Let's have a look at this conflict between Megyn Kelly and Bill Maher and work out what it is exactly about it that fascinates us.
01:18:12.000With, like, the things he's been saying and all the people in his administration who said he's a fascist, he wants to be a fascist, he talks like a fascist, his friends are all dictators.
01:18:27.000Wait, why don't you care about that at all?
01:18:28.000Because they've been saying that about Trump for years.
01:18:31.000They've been saying that about Republican candidates for years.
01:18:34.000It goes, it has like a long storied history.
01:18:36.000If you are at all, center or center-right, you are used to having your candidate of choice completely demonized, whether it's the F word, the R word.
01:18:46.000They tried to tell us Mitt Romney was a raging sexist because of binders full of women.
01:18:50.000They tried to tell us John McCain was a raging racist, notwithstanding the fact that he had adopted a daughter from Bangladesh.
01:18:57.000They've been doing this for every Republican.
01:18:59.000They get to Trump, and we no longer are listening to them.
01:19:03.000Trump has incendiary rhetoric, there's no question.
01:19:06.000But we have four years to judge him by, and the country was going pretty well when Trump was in there, unlike the four years we've had under these two.
01:19:13.000Well, I mean, I could argue with that, too.
01:19:16.000Actually, if Trump had this economy, and I could go through all the stats, the stock market is through the roof, wages are up.
01:19:45.000There are many novel phenomena that have emerged as a result of the fact that we have new media now, new means of communication, time seems to be moving more quickly, we live in a perpetual blizzard of Never-ending data.
01:19:57.000But the, oh, that was the fault of my predecessor, or I can't get it through Congress.
01:20:06.000If all you're going to do is blame your opponent, then what's the, well, all right, you might as well get out of here then, because you can't overcome the mandates or tenure of your predecessor.
01:20:15.000What you want from a leader is, isn't it?
01:20:18.000I'm going to, directed by a power greater than me, serve you.
01:20:23.000I am going to overcome obstacles, even if it kills me.
01:20:28.000I'm going to overcome those obstacles.
01:20:29.000Now, if you're not getting that, you don't have leadership.
01:20:32.000Now, what I suppose we're in a negotiation about broadly is whether or not you want your secular, inverted commas, leaders even to take on those kind of challenges, or do you want them simply to Make sure that the amenities and municipality functions.
01:20:55.000This country seems somewhat cohesive and we're not continually funding wars all around the world.
01:21:00.000That's, you know, a set of ideals that are not necessarily spiritual, though I reckon if you...
01:21:05.000To quote Kamala Harris, kick the tyres long enough, you'll start to see that beneath them are the ideas that are rooted in theology, such as a kind of a unitive principle, that God is relational, as in the Trinity, that peace and service are important, and perhaps that highest idea, something I've only started considering recently as a result of my conversation with Jordan Peterson, you can watch now on Locals, this notion that why Christ is a powerful figure...
01:21:33.000One of the reasons that Christ, fully man, fully God, is powerful because he makes the idea of sovereignty about not power of a king to dominate, power of a king to serve, power of a king to absolutely self-sacrifice.
01:21:49.000We've been coached and trained by our culture to see heroism It's about individual achievement.
01:21:55.000But heroism, baked deep into our understanding of reality, will always include sacrifice.
01:22:00.000Now I'm talking about sort of a Jungian approach, or even your own great academic and sort of popular academic, Joseph Campbell, who would say that in any story, any myth that's going to have any tenacity, It's hero will have to at some point sacrifice themselves for another.
01:22:15.000So think about your favourite movie or your favourite book and you will find at some point the protagonist does that.
01:22:20.000At some point Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker or Aaron Brockovich or Max Caius Maximus or whatever you are, RP McMurphy.
01:22:30.000In the end they have to sacrifice themselves for a higher good.
01:22:33.000Almost as if that principle is somehow encoded deep within our DNA. Now there are many things we can measure.
01:22:39.000There are many things we can understand through our brilliant, brilliant minds, our collective minds, through our instruments of magnification and specificity.
01:22:47.000But there are also things we will never understand.
01:22:50.000Think of some of the greatest minds we've ever known in the field of science.
01:22:57.000Now, here we are in the quantum era where we recognize that there appears to be a relationship between consciousness, or at least observation, and matter itself.
01:23:33.000It seems to suggest to me that materialism and secularism are themselves under ideological threat and that we need to move forward, that our institutions are no longer fit for purpose in the same way that Napster destroyed the record industry.
01:23:47.000The Occupy movement showed that new forms of protest were becoming apparent.
01:23:51.000New political ventures will emerge out of this technology.
01:23:55.000But those political movements, if not serviced by an ideology that is robust because precisely it is universal, then you are not going to have a sustainable movement.
01:24:08.000Do your virtues change from day to day?
01:24:10.000Are you willing to say on stage that...
01:24:13.000That Kamala Harris has faced down her fiercest distractors knowing that she said no to Joe Rogan.
01:24:19.000Are you willing to say this war's good but I'm against this war?
01:24:22.000Are you willing to say this billionaire's good but this billionaire's bad?
01:24:26.000These ideas apply across both parties.
01:24:29.000Indeed, the true radical looks not at the political parties but looks at the institutions and framing in which they exist and say, what are we taking for granted here?
01:24:43.000So, that's why I suppose you have to have a cultural purview that can sort of take on board Alex Jones and David Icke and Bishop Robert Barron and Barack Obama and Dick Cheney.
01:24:54.000You've got to somehow swim in this confusing sea and not go under and not drown and not become ignorant and not become hateful and you are not going to be able to walk on water yourself.
01:25:07.000You need to believe in someone who can.
01:25:47.000The tendency between both parties to blame their predecessor, and when it's convenient, you'll say, oh, but Trump, he inherited Obama's economy.
01:26:08.000Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat?
01:26:11.000I want to thank you in the Awaken Wonder chat, Beth in Wonderland, Shallow97, Blessed Old Bird, for your brilliant conversations for the chat today.
01:26:19.000All of you in Rumble, like Solacell and NoJabbers and RoxyAnn and Rod Warwick and JK Jerome, oh, how I've missed you.
01:26:26.000Brilliant contributors to a brilliant ongoing conversation.
01:26:29.000And we will be continuing that conversation every day between now and the election.
01:26:34.000And we will of course be back tomorrow.
01:26:36.000Those of you that are awake and wonders, you can also join me as well as for the show tomorrow.
01:26:40.000A brilliant conversation about Christianity with Christ.