Stay Free - Russel Brand - Redefining Speech: Bari Weiss on Social Media’s New Power!

00:00:00.000 Hello there you Awakening Wonders!

00:00:01.000 Over the month of September I'm doing a handful of live shows that are a combination of spirituality, breath work, individual awakening, community building and challenging authority.

00:00:11.000 How do you bring down the system while bringing up children?

00:00:15.000 Can't sleep! Can't f***ing sleep! Sleep while I have extendable orgasm now! 0.76

00:00:20.000 How do you try to bring down Bear Grylls while you're on Running Wild with Bear Grylls? 0.98

00:00:24.000 And Bear Grylls is much better at that stuff than you.

00:00:27.000 How do we find new ways of challenging authority while trying to live normal lives?

00:00:33.000 So I'll be doing stand-up, breathwork, meditation, as well as conducting polls and votes because I believe democracy works.

00:00:40.000 Are you happy with your current government?

00:00:41.000 No.

00:00:42.000 With you live in theatres like Hayes on the 12th of September.

00:00:46.000 That's a little intimate London gig.

00:00:47.000 I'm at Wembley Park Theatre on the 16th of September.

00:00:51.000 Windsor on the 19th of September.

00:00:53.000 Plymouth on the 22nd.

00:00:55.000 And Wolverhampton on the 28th.

00:00:56.000 To get tickets go to www.russellbrown.com forward slash live.

00:01:00.000 That's www.russellbrown.com forward slash live.

00:01:02.000 The link is in the description.

00:01:03.000 Stay free.

00:01:07.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:01:08.000 Thanks for joining us on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:01:11.000 For the first 15 minutes, we will be available with all of you on YouTube.

00:01:16.000 Those of you that come here for truth, those of you that come here for hope, those of you who come here because you want to be part of a movement, you don't want to participate in the entropy and despair of a culture that's devouring itself, a legacy media that's lost its way, that wants to do nothing but annihilate and destroy, that's lost its vision, that's lost the light of the Lord that looks to you, that looks to me,

00:01:36.000 that looks to us collectively to bring about a new order, a new awakening.

00:01:41.000 And when I say new order I don't mean some new global order of centralized authoritarian

00:01:45.000 power, I mean decentralized power. I mean a little old thing called

00:01:48.000 democracy where you have the power to control your own life, where you are free,

00:01:52.000 your freedom isn't criminalized. That's one of the stories we're gonna be

00:01:55.000 talking about. Surveillance is on the up. They're tracking your DNA, they are criminalizing

00:02:00.000 all of us, even Gareth Roy. No. One of the least criminal people I've ever

00:02:05.000 had the good fortune to We're going to be talking about Trump's potential assassination, hyperbole, or possibility.

00:02:11.000 Let me know in the comments, guys, do you think it's a real possibility?

00:02:14.000 If you're watching this on Rumble right now, why don't you press the red button and join us in the locals chat, like Blessed Old Bird, and Thomas Beard, and Taz Bing, and Jim Urfsey.

00:02:22.000 They're chatting away in there.

00:02:24.000 They're expressing their free speech, and later we will have free.

00:02:26.000 Where your freedom of speech will be broadcast live.

00:02:29.000 We've got a fantastic guest on the show as well, Barry Weiss, one of the great Twitterphile journalists, or Xphiles.

00:02:36.000 That's the wrong music, that's Twilight Zone.

00:02:38.000 You'd do Doctor Who then, wouldn't you?

00:02:45.000 We've chatted to her before the show.

00:02:46.000 She is ready to rock.

00:02:47.000 She's even sorted out the height of her chair.

00:02:49.000 She's perfectly framed.

00:02:51.000 She's ready to go.

00:02:52.000 There's going to be fantastic revelations.

00:02:53.000 We're going to be talking about Oliver Antony.

00:02:55.000 Why is it that he's become the scourge of the left?

00:02:57.000 Why has he become a problem to talk up for ordinary people? 0.96

00:03:00.000 He's so goddamn catchy, that's why. 0.96

00:03:02.000 He's so bloody catchy! 0.96

00:03:04.000 I'd just like to curl up in that beard, wouldn't you?

00:03:07.000 I'd like to lay my eggs in that ginger nest, wouldn't Wouldn't you?

00:03:11.000 Oh, yes.

00:03:12.000 Hey, if you happen to be in the UK, I'm doing five very intimate shows in September.

00:03:12.000 Wouldn't you?

00:03:17.000 There's a link in the description that tells you where to come.

00:03:19.000 There's one in London, even.

00:03:20.000 You'll love it.

00:03:21.000 And Wolverhampton, Plymouth.

00:03:22.000 There's a bunch of places.

00:03:23.000 But anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in all that.

00:03:24.000 We've got a lot to talk about.

00:03:26.000 Once we leave YouTube and we're exclusively on Rumble, we're going to be telling you a thing or two about the Swedes.

00:03:31.000 There's more to Sweden than Volvo, Sauners and Abba, because it turns out that their approach to the pandemic has led to fewer Death. 0.75

00:03:41.000 Now isn't that astonishing?

00:03:42.000 Because wasn't their approach, do nothing?

00:03:44.000 It was something akin to that.

00:03:46.000 What we could do is lock everyone in their house, make sure people wear masks, they stand these distances apart, they take all of these injections.

00:03:51.000 What about if, you know, we just let people do what they like? 1.00

00:03:53.000 That won't work, you mad idiots! 1.00

00:03:55.000 Waterloo! 0.99

00:03:57.000 What I say is, we'll look at that, but obviously with the WHO having the power that they have over the guidelines on YouTube, and I love you 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, I love you and you feel that love.

00:04:08.000 You know this is not the dumb, hollow, empty communications that you get from the mainstream.

00:04:12.000 You know we're moving to a greater frequency.

00:04:14.000 You know that it is our job to fuse spirituality with politics and new inclusive spirituality that looks for alliances rather than new forms of destruction.

00:04:24.000 Let's have a look at a lovely little story on Fox News now.

00:04:26.000 notices and understands their agenda and moves immediately beyond it. We're going to have to do

00:04:31.000 that stuff though in the other place, in the land of rumble, where we are free to be whoever we are,

00:04:36.000 united in our free speech to come together, not to drive people apart. Let's have a look at a

00:04:42.000 lovely little story on Fox News now. Now steel yourselves because this is about a person having

00:04:48.000 an accident on an aeroplane as I understand. Now we've all made mistakes on aeroplanes.

00:04:52.000 Well you certainly have.

00:04:54.000 Yes I was asked to leave one once, they threw me off it. It was still on the tarmac fortunately.

00:04:58.000 So it wasn't for the same reason was it?

00:05:00.000 Actually sort of, no it wasn't because this is about, have you heard this story about the

00:05:05.000 diarrhoea on an aeroplane? That's right. We've had snakes on a plane, now we've got SHIT

00:05:09.000 up a plane you dirty pigs. Let's have a look at the mainstream reporting on this. 1.00

00:05:14.000 Talk about an uncomfortable flight.

00:05:16.000 So here's what went down, y'all.

00:05:18.000 A Delta flight was going from Atlanta to... Firstly, I like her new style.

00:05:22.000 Because she's calling you y'all on the news.

00:05:22.000 Yeah.

00:05:24.000 Do you like that, America?

00:05:25.000 Is that the sort of thing you like on Labor Day?

00:05:27.000 I like it to be called y'all.

00:05:28.000 Because, like...

00:05:29.000 In England on the news they don't go, alright mate, news coming up. 0.99

00:05:33.000 They talk to you firstly like you're a moron and that you're very lucky to be getting this. 0.97

00:05:36.000 Hello, this is England, here's some news. 1.00

00:05:38.000 Sit down, shut up, have a cup of tea. 0.99

00:05:40.000 And if you still have a genital, snip it off and leave it outside. 1.00

00:05:44.000 We'll drive it away in a lorry, you wanker. 1.00

00:05:46.000 Which isn't a swear word in some nations. 1.00

00:05:49.000 Interesting.

00:05:49.000 Y'all.

00:05:50.000 Barcelona, when all of a sudden a passenger got what I like to call the bubble guts.

00:05:55.000 Crew members called it an on-board medical issue.

00:05:59.000 Bubble guts?

00:06:00.000 Which was reportedly a case of quote... That's them connecting the world at Delta, is it?

00:06:05.000 Yeah, I like the idea that these are the people that caused it.

00:06:08.000 Diarrhoea all the way through the plane.

00:06:11.000 bubble gut y'all! This little gang of bubble guts. 0.99

00:06:13.000 Every single one of them.

00:06:15.000 Oh god, I'm sorry, I don't know who started it.

00:06:17.000 It was the fella over on the right, but we sure can.

00:06:19.000 We should have been keeping some social distance.

00:06:21.000 It's all up the plane.

00:06:23.000 Diarrhoea all the way through the plane.

00:06:26.000 Imagine that. Well now the past...

00:06:28.000 All the way through.

00:06:30.000 I don't know how much, like what constitutes, like if someone has diarrhoea in a plane, it's going to

00:06:34.000 ruin their seat and their aisle, and if you're in coach,

00:06:37.000 the aisle behind and aisle in front of you.

00:06:40.000 I'd say it's a free aisle issue.

00:06:41.000 All up the plane, that means they've tried to go to the toilet, it's gone wrong, and imagine the dreadful panic of being in a fuselage, the indignity of that.

00:06:50.000 Oh, excuse me!

00:06:51.000 Oh no, it's gone wrong!

00:06:53.000 Don't tell my wife! 1.00

00:06:56.000 That's a really humiliating thing down that aisle.

00:06:58.000 Yeah, running up and down, scuttling up and down that aisle.

00:07:01.000 Scuttling and sprinkling as you go.

00:07:03.000 Trouser legs.

00:07:04.000 The trouser legs, yeah.

00:07:05.000 The trouser legs making its way down.

00:07:07.000 Now how would you feel towards that person?

00:07:10.000 Would you be a good Christian or good Muslim or whatever your thing is and go, oh, you know, I welcome thee?

00:07:16.000 No! 0.99

00:07:16.000 Oh, you're a bit more like, you are a pariah! 0.99

00:07:20.000 Get out of our community! 0.99

00:07:21.000 Like that?

00:07:21.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 Move them.

00:07:23.000 You'd send them.

00:07:24.000 What would you do if they were in first?

00:07:25.000 You'd send them right back to the economy, wouldn't you?

00:07:27.000 First things first.

00:07:28.000 It's economy for you.

00:07:29.000 No, I'd say rubber bands around the ankles or bicycle clips.

00:07:33.000 Get them sealed up, I'd say, like trunk.

00:07:36.000 Then it's a sick bag taped over the offending orifice.

00:07:39.000 Who's doing that job?

00:07:40.000 I'd say that's got to be the co-pilot because the pilot, you need him to concentrate, don't you?

00:07:45.000 But this is a vet's role situation.

00:07:47.000 This is where you want everyone on the plane mobilized towards this real and present dirty threat.

00:07:56.000 We're about two hours into the flight when they had to turn around the whole plane and just go on back home.

00:08:02.000 In a recording, the pilot told air traffic control this was a biohazard issue.

00:08:07.000 It's slightly grandiose.

00:08:09.000 What I feel like is, doesn't it show the hubris of our kind that since the Wright Brothers we have conquered the air, but all it takes is one person with a dodgy belly and the two Bob Bits and the squirts and suddenly aeroplanes are being brought down. 0.80

00:08:24.000 It sort of shows you the fragility of civilisation and the hubris of our kind.

00:08:28.000 Civilisation lays upon the planet and by the mighty winds of God, or a passenger, it could be coughed off into brown oblivion.

00:08:37.000 That's what got Pregosian last week.

00:08:38.000 Pregosian? 0.91

00:08:40.000 Putin has got me by the short and dirty! 0.99

00:08:40.000 Oh no! 0.99

00:08:43.000 It's game over!

00:08:44.000 Night, night!

00:08:45.000 It's the Brown Terror! 1.00

00:08:47.000 I've got myself the bubble guts!

00:08:47.000 Goodbye!

00:08:50.000 Negative, it's just a biohazard issue.

00:08:52.000 We've had a passenger who had diarrhea all the way through the airplane, so they want us to come back to them.

00:08:57.000 All the way through the airplane?

00:08:59.000 Now I, at this point, think there's some personal responsibility on behalf of the passenger.

00:09:04.000 You just can't go marching up and down the arms like that.

00:09:07.000 It should be confined.

00:09:08.000 It's almost like they enjoyed it at this point, like it was a dirty protest.

00:09:12.000 Now I don't know where that coronavirus came from, but you should have been able to contain it in the Wuhan lab or wet market, could be either, area. 0.74

00:09:19.000 You don't want people skiddily skidding out of the labs and out of the wet markets, running down the bat caves, running down the town, getting in the airplanes. 1.00

00:09:27.000 What you've got yourself there is a super spreader event.

00:09:29.000 That is a super-spreader event right there.

00:09:31.000 A one-person super-spreader. 0.98

00:09:33.000 Dirty devils. 0.96

00:09:34.000 Stay free with Russell Brand. 0.98

00:09:36.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:09:38.000 If you've come here for truth, you will not be disappointed because we are being joined now by a fantastic, epochal and significant journalist, Barry Weiss, founder of The Free Press, and the Honestly Podcast is joining us.

00:09:51.000 Now, Barry, you're here because you're doing this... Hello, mate.

00:09:54.000 You look nice.

00:09:55.000 Nice to see you, mate.

00:09:56.000 Nice to see you too.

00:09:57.000 I don't know how I'm going to follow faecal matter on planes and underwear swag, but I'm going to do my best.

00:10:02.000 Pretty easy, I would have thought.

00:10:03.000 Just put the two together and you've got yourself a hell of a podcast.

00:10:07.000 Barry, mate, first of all, why don't we say we get it done?

00:10:10.000 Why don't we talk about your debate on has the sexual revolution failed?

00:10:15.000 Who's participating in that?

00:10:16.000 Where is it taking place?

00:10:17.000 It sounds brilliant.

00:10:19.000 I love you for letting me plug this.

00:10:20.000 September 13th in L.A.

00:10:22.000 at the Ace Theatre, downtown, 7 p.m.

00:10:24.000 We have an unbelievable lineup.

00:10:26.000 The proposition is, has the sexual revolution failed?

00:10:29.000 We have Sarah Hader and Grimes facing off against Louise Perry, coming over from the U.K., and Anna Katchian, one of the co-hosts of Red Scare. 0.56

00:10:38.000 The event is going to be opened by none other than feminist icon and hashtag ally, Tim Dillon.

00:10:44.000 It's going to be a blast.

00:10:45.000 For anyone in L.A., we'd love to see you there.

00:10:46.000 Post the link in the description.

00:10:49.000 That sounds like a fantastic debate.

00:10:50.000 I think we could all be better educated on that topic.

00:10:53.000 It sounds like you've put together an incredible roster of people and who knows may show up.

00:10:57.000 We've played that, Ace Theatre Gal.

00:10:59.000 I can remember doing shows there in Los Angeles.

00:11:01.000 Lovely little venue.

00:11:02.000 If you are in LA at that time, go along, join it, educate yourself.

00:11:06.000 And like, I think what this is, This is important.

00:11:08.000 Like, you know, we recorded our conversation with Sam Harris the other day, and we saw many, many issues quite distinctly and often opposingly.

00:11:16.000 And it was, I would say, valuable, I hope, for both of us to have that conversation.

00:11:20.000 I certainly enjoy speaking to people that I disagree with, but also people like you, who I broadly do agree with, Barry.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, I mean, one of the reasons we started the Free Press was because we had a question, and that question was, do Americans still want real journalism?

00:11:36.000 Do Americans and people beyond America, do people in the West, is the English-speaking world still want lively, honest, fair, sober, provocative debate?

00:11:47.000 Or do they just want the sort of Pre-masticated ideological mush that those of us who left the mainstream were being asked to produce.

00:11:56.000 And the answer has come back to us over the past two years as a resounding yes.

00:12:00.000 So we're super excited to put on our first live debate, and we hope it's going to be the first in sort of a national series of debates about urgent conversations, the kind of conversations that people have in private, but often are too scared to have out loud in public.

00:12:14.000 That's what we're about.

00:12:15.000 Super excited.

00:12:16.000 What fantastic service you're doing.

00:12:16.000 Well done.

00:12:18.000 That pre-masticated mush of the mainstream. 0.65

00:12:21.000 I'm sick of swallowing down that swill. 0.99

00:12:24.000 I should rather lick the corridor of a Delta plane than devour that mainstream mush. 0.82

00:12:30.000 Now, Barry, can I ask you, mate, What do you think about Tucker's claim about the potential for Trump to be assassinated? 0.90

00:12:38.000 Hyperbole?

00:12:39.000 Ludicrousness?

00:12:40.000 And how does it compare to Maddow's claim that Trump would declare himself dictator to life?

00:12:45.000 Are both sides, let's call it that, guilty of a hollow rhetoric?

00:12:49.000 Or do you think there's more veracity in one of those claims than others?

00:12:53.000 I think that it's hyperbolic.

00:12:54.000 I think it's actually emblematic of the entire sort of media landscape we're living in, in which, you know, it feels often to many of us like you have the choice.

00:13:03.000 You have the choice to listen to someone who's talking about the president or the former president getting assassinated, or you have the choice to listen to someone who's suggesting that we live in a dictatorship.

00:13:13.000 I think one of the reasons for the rise of independent media is because people are sick of those being their only options.

00:13:21.000 People are sick of a media that polarizes us further, that makes us more hysterical, more panicked, more fearful, more isolated, more lonely.

00:13:31.000 And they're looking for something different.

00:13:33.000 And I think one of the reasons for the rise of independent podcasting for the kind of wild west,

00:13:39.000 you know, Cambrian explosion we're living through to mix like five metaphors.

00:13:43.000 Sorry, it's early here.

00:13:44.000 It is because of that.

00:13:46.000 So I saw both of those comments and I kind of rolled my eyes and went back to doing my actual work,

00:13:52.000 to be honest with you. I'm not sure what you thought of those comments.

00:13:54.000 Certainly a lot of people really value the important work you're doing.

00:13:58.000 Ashella in our chat, mate, over on Locals.

00:14:02.000 If you want to join us in Locals, not you Barry, you've got work to do.

00:14:04.000 You've got a bloody debate to put on by everyone else.

00:14:07.000 Like, press the red button and join us in Locals.

00:14:08.000 Ashella asks, Russ, ask Barry if she still backs RFK Jr.

00:14:13.000 For president.

00:14:14.000 And just to answer your question to me, yes, of course, I think both statements are somewhat hyperbolic, but presidents have been assassinated before.

00:14:21.000 I think Tucker is an excellent orator and built his arguments beautiful in the same conversation when he talked about the potential for the Cold War and the proxy current proxy war to become a hot war.

00:14:31.000 I think he walked us through that in a way that's very identifiable, easy, conversational, and in a sense shows you almost the molecular structure of his ability and the reason he's become so successful.

00:14:43.000 He can walk you through an argument, even if it's an argument you wouldn't receive elsewhere.

00:14:48.000 And when I saw Maddow, I thought that what irritates me is the pose of rationalism accompanied by hysterical messaging.

00:14:55.000 That's what sort of irritated me about that.

00:14:57.000 But Achela's question to you, mate, is do you still back I'm a journalist.

00:15:08.000 I don't publicly come out in support of anyone for president.

00:15:14.000 I'm extremely interested in what RFK has to say.

00:15:16.000 I was really happy to have him on my podcast.

00:15:19.000 He's one of nine presidential candidates that have so far been on Honestly.

00:15:22.000 We're hoping to get all of them, and I've had interesting conversations with

00:15:26.000 people like RFK, like Vivek, like Chris Christie, like Nikki Haley, Tim Scott. All these people

00:15:31.000 have been on Honestly. We want to put together a presidential debate, actually, with some of them,

00:15:35.000 which we think could be incredibly interesting. But I haven't endorsed him. I haven't endorsed

00:15:39.000 anyone for president. Am I happy to see people trying to challenge Joe Biden and Donald Trump,

00:15:46.000 neither of whom I think, neither of whom most people I know would be excited to vote

00:15:51.000 for?

00:15:52.000 And the answer to that is absolutely yes.

00:15:54.000 What I'm interested in is the phenomenon of these people.

00:15:57.000 How is it that someone like RFK?

00:15:59.000 How is it like someone like Vivek Ramaswamy, who's, I think, 38 years old?

00:16:03.000 How are these people sort of coming out political neophytes, never having run for office and garnering the kind of support they're getting?

00:16:10.000 You can say it's because of the ideas they're putting forward, or you could also say that it's because of how frustrated Americans are with these terrible choices.

00:16:19.000 Choices that I think many of us are shocked that we're actually going to be in this same scenario yet again in 2024.

00:16:26.000 So I'm very interested in these people that are popping up and can continue to host, I think, challenging and fair conversations with all of them.

00:16:35.000 Barry, the moment that you participated in the Twitterphile revelations, it seemed like that platform was significantly changed, perhaps forever, with Elon's acquisition.

00:16:47.000 But now with the name changed to X and the emergence of peculiar phrases like lawful but awful content.

00:16:54.000 And similarly, I feel like YouTube pulled a Jordan Peterson RFK video.

00:16:59.000 Do you feel that we're seeing a new mutation or a new variant of censorship emerging?

00:17:06.000 Look, I think that we're living, one of the big themes of our era,

00:17:12.000 like of our epoch is the question of what do we do, given the fact that the town square has been digitized?

00:17:21.000 What do we do about the fact that the town square is not a place that you go to,

00:17:25.000 a place paid by citizens, by taxpayers, but are private companies run

00:17:31.000 by a handful of billionaires, right?

00:17:33.000 What is the Town Square?

00:17:34.000 The Town Square is Twitter.

00:17:36.000 The Town Square is YouTube.

00:17:37.000 The Town Square is Facebook.

00:17:39.000 The Town Square is Amazon.

00:17:40.000 The Town Square is certainly Google, which I think has something like 90% market share.

00:17:45.000 And what do you do about the fact that these places are controlled by a handful of private citizens who are redefining what violence is, who are redefining what acceptable speech is?

00:17:59.000 The question is not should there or should there not be guardrails, right?

00:18:03.000 There's always going to be guardrails on any of these platforms.

00:18:07.000 But the question is, what is constituting hateful speech?

00:18:11.000 And what is sort of normal or controversial speech that's being redefined as hate speech?

00:18:17.000 Is, for example, talking about the lab leak at the height of COVID.

00:18:21.000 Should that be constituted as hate speech?

00:18:23.000 Should that be banned?

00:18:24.000 That's what happened on Twitter.

00:18:26.000 In the case of Jordan Peterson, I believe that the video that was banned is a video of a conversation that he had with the Irish journalist Helen Joyce, questioning whether or not children can consent to lifelong medical changes with gender transition.

00:18:40.000 Should that be that be an open conversation we're able to have in public

00:18:43.000 or not?

00:18:44.000 That is really the question.

00:18:45.000 I think often what's the caricature of it is that the left is saying the right

00:18:50.000 doesn't want any guardrails at all.

00:18:52.000 And the right is saying any guardrails are horrific censorship.

00:18:55.000 And the question has always been and remains today, were the guardrails and is

00:19:01.000 the thing that so many of us sort of on whatever you want to call us, the true

00:19:04.000 liberals or the dissident liberals?

00:19:06.000 I think the thing that we're reacting to is not that we want to be on platforms that are overrun by Nazis and marijuana ads, which is like all I'm getting served these days on Twitter or now X. But should we be able to have open conversations about things like public health?

00:19:22.000 About biology, about politics.

00:19:25.000 That is the real question.

00:19:27.000 And I think it remains to be seen whether or not under Elon Musk's Twitter, or X as I know we're supposed to call it now, the Twitter files have become the X files, whether or not that's going to be the case.

00:19:39.000 And it's an open question because in the very same way that a handful of people ran it, well now it's just a different handful of people.

00:19:47.000 With different political biases and different potential power trips.

00:19:50.000 And I think anyone who has learned anything over the past decade or so, as we've seen the rise of big tech, should always be skeptical when so much power is in the hands of so few people.

00:20:04.000 Yes, it seems that what you're proposing, or at least ruminating on, is the potential for a kind of consensual regulation that is democratic.

00:20:15.000 In a way, that's what I'm appealing for, examining, praying for, across many of our institutions.

00:20:21.000 The possibility for a new type of consensual governance.

00:20:27.000 Democracy, I think is a the other word for it, the way that you feel that you have

00:20:30.000 some purchase, some ability to communicate rather than top-down government that appears

00:20:35.000 to have been co-opted by financial corporate interests and that use the ideology simply as

00:20:40.000 leverage to curb and control debate and conversation.

00:20:43.000 Well, like the beauty of this country is that, you know, is that when we go to that physical

00:20:50.000 town square, we have the Bill of Rights, we have the Constitution, we have the First Amendment.

00:20:55.000 When we go into this new digital town square, we have none of those things.

00:21:00.000 And the question is, like, how can we have a sort of political and cultural software update to meet the technological update that we've already lived through?

00:21:09.000 That is the big challenge, I think, of the next decade.

00:21:11.000 And, you know, the high school answer, of course, is they're private companies.

00:21:15.000 They can do whatever they want.

00:21:17.000 And the people that are making that argument, of course, are people that would never say that about something like big tobacco, which makes you wonder like what their actual principle is, right?

00:21:27.000 The more challenging answer is, you know, are they actually something more like public utilities?

00:21:32.000 Should they be regulated like the railroad has been, like the electricity company is, right?

00:21:38.000 We don't cut someone off of their ability to get on Amtrak or their ability to turn on their lights because they believe in QAnon, but we might unperson them on the internet because of that.

00:21:48.000 And so that is the big challenge.

00:21:50.000 We've lived through this.

00:21:51.000 We are living through this technological revolution, but we don't yet have the political, the social or the cultural updates to meet that technological change.

00:22:03.000 What that change is going to look like, what the regulation should look like, what the relationship between individual people with individual rights should be to these big tech behemoths.

00:22:15.000 That, to me, is one of the most urgent questions of our day.

00:22:19.000 And I think that, you know, if you're interested in democracy, if you're interested in free speech, if you're interested in individual dignity, really, those are the questions you have to be asking yourself.

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00:22:47.000 Now, you can't stop these subcutaneous energetic forces rising up, whether it's Delta Diarrhoea or the phenomena of Oliver Antony emerging into cyberspace, a hirsute and auburn wonder Piping and stringing and strumming new rhythms into the world.

00:23:07.000 What do you make of the Oliver Antony phenomenon?

00:23:09.000 Do you think he's another example of the left looking for traitors and the right looking for converts?

00:23:15.000 How are you seeing this subject treated and what are your views on it, mate?

00:23:20.000 I'm speechless by your ability to connect diarrhea on the airplane to Oliver Anthony, but here we go.

00:23:25.000 Russell Brand, one in a million.

00:23:27.000 Look, I think Oliver Anthony, think about the lyrics that he's singing.

00:23:31.000 He sings about the sort of, they're unnamed as sort of the elites or big tech, but he says, they just want to have total control.

00:23:37.000 They want to know what you do.

00:23:38.000 He talks about living in a new world with an old soul.

00:23:41.000 It's exactly what we've been talking about.

00:23:44.000 How did this 31-year-old emerge from the woods of Virginia To capture the nation and beyond, beyond the nation.

00:23:53.000 I added this song to it.

00:23:54.000 Well, first of all, it's just that the song is good.

00:23:56.000 It's an unbelievable earworm and it's completely authentic.

00:23:59.000 And you feel that from him.

00:24:01.000 But I think the deeper reason is that he is speaking to themes that are so resonant with so many people in this country, right?

00:24:09.000 It's, it's a, it's a working class anthem.

00:24:12.000 And it's, you know, think about, think about old Bruce Springsteen songs, right?

00:24:16.000 That's that's what he's doing here.

00:24:19.000 Now, the thing that is like tragic and emblematic of our current moment is that immediately when that song comes out, he's taken up as sort of a saint by the political right that thinks he's on their side.

00:24:33.000 And he's in turn vilified by the left.

00:24:36.000 There were some unbelievable stories in places like NPR and Rolling Stone trying to demonize him.

00:24:41.000 And then he sits down with Rupa Sabarmania, who works for the Free Press, the night of the first RNC debate.

00:24:47.000 She flew from Ottawa to Virginia to go to his concert and see if he would talk to her, and he graciously did.

00:24:51.000 She got the first and I think the best interview.

00:24:53.000 Wow, well done.

00:24:55.000 And what he said was...

00:24:57.000 It's so strange to me.

00:24:59.000 It's baffling to me that I'm sort of being taken up as this totem.

00:25:03.000 My song was not just about the left.

00:25:06.000 My song was equally about the right that has gotten us into useless wars.

00:25:10.000 If you'll remember, the first question, Russell, the night of that RNC debate, was just a clip of him singing.

00:25:16.000 And then the moderators asked Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, why does this song have so much resonance?

00:25:21.000 Right?

00:25:21.000 The assumption sort of being that it was a sort of cultural anthem of the political right.

00:25:27.000 And here's Oliver Anthony saying, no, no, no, you're not getting it.

00:25:30.000 You guys aren't getting it.

00:25:31.000 What this is about is a cultural class, the elite class.

00:25:36.000 That is deeply out of touch with people like me, people like Oliver Anthony, who worked the overnight shift in a paper mill for $14 an hour.

00:25:45.000 It's about the fact that there's been no accountability.

00:25:48.000 It's about the fact that there's been no sort of comeuppance for these people that have gotten so many things wrong.

00:25:53.000 And what's his answer?

00:25:55.000 His answer is just, and I urge people to read the piece, it's a deeply humane one.

00:26:00.000 It's about the fact that looking to politicians for our salvation Salvation's never going to come from people in Washington, or as he puts it, rich men north of Richmond.

00:26:09.000 It's going to come, as he says, from us putting down our phones and starting to talk to one another again.

00:26:14.000 Oh my God, it's Ginger Jesus. 0.61

00:26:16.000 I love him.

00:26:17.000 Let's get Oliver Antony on the show, James.

00:26:18.000 You're reaching out to him.

00:26:19.000 Take me to Appalachia, like Barry Weiss's colleagues there at Free Press.

00:26:24.000 I'm going to climb me them mountains.

00:26:25.000 Get me some dungarees and some snow boots.

00:26:28.000 I don't know what they do in Appalachia.

00:26:30.000 I want to meet that man.

00:26:31.000 I'm really...

00:26:32.000 I don't know, I'm in England!

00:26:35.000 That's pretty fascinating that.

00:26:37.000 Do you know what I'm minded to at least recount, recite to tell you, Barry, is that for a while

00:26:43.000 I've feeling that the problem with the left is that they abandoned ordinary working people.

00:26:49.000 They actually don't like ordinary working people. 0.99

00:26:52.000 So I have to find ways to vilify them.

00:26:54.000 Your views are not progressive enough.

00:26:56.000 You ain't advanced.

00:26:57.000 And then like in a sense, you can see in all of the Oliver Antony phenomena, that a sort

00:27:02.000 of a trend that's been prevailing since the Democrats under Clinton and the Labour Party

00:27:07.000 under Tony Blair abandoned ordinary working people.

00:27:11.000 They had to justify it by saying ordinary working people needed to change.

00:27:15.000 The problem's not that we don't care anymore about representing the interests of ordinary Americans or ordinary Brits against the elites and the establishment and corporatised state institutions. 0.97

00:27:25.000 The problem is that ordinary Americans and ordinary Brits are somehow disgusting and racist.

00:27:30.000 They vote for Brexit, they vote for Trump without looking at what conditions People are enduring. 0.71

00:27:37.000 And I suppose that there is mitigation against the charge that these bourgeois elites are uncaring by saying, well, we do care about these marginal minority issues.

00:27:48.000 Look, we really care about them.

00:27:49.000 Unlike working people, which I think is erroneous and false and which are actually in practice, in policy, in behaviour, in conduct. 1.00

00:27:56.000 I don't see a great deal of compassion.

00:27:58.000 I don't see Yeah, I think that there's an obsession on identity as a distraction from focusing on class.

00:28:04.000 to support. Do you think that there's something of that about all this, mate?

00:28:08.000 Yeah, I think that there's an obsession on identity as a distraction from focusing on class.

00:28:15.000 And I think that if you look at the demonization of someone whose message was so

00:28:20.000 obviously authentic and obviously true of his experience, writing him off as sort of like,

00:28:29.000 you know, this avatar of cisgendered male patriarchal race. 0.98

00:28:34.000 It's ridiculous. 0.84

00:28:35.000 And in a way that this was a really good case study, because anyone with eyes and ears could hear that this person was singing from such a true place about such a real phenomenon. 0.84

00:28:48.000 And in the weeks since he's sort of had this overnight unbelievable fame he's been offered, incredible deals and he's sort of resisting all of it and

00:28:56.000 saying no I want to stay true to myself and I don't want to lose myself and lose my message by

00:29:01.000 getting swept up in the very thing I'm trying to criticize he's a really interesting figure. I think Rogan had him on

00:29:06.000 a few days ago but you guys should definitely have him on Get him on! Get him on! Drag him down by his ginger! 0.99

00:29:13.000 But we'll go there to the mountains if we have to I'll go to that paper mill, I'll do a shift. 0.99

00:29:17.000 I'm gonna need 30 or 40 dollars an hour, but I will go to that bloody paper mill.

00:29:22.000 I can't do a whole night shift, not with my, with my hands.

00:29:24.000 No.

00:29:25.000 It wouldn't work.

00:29:25.000 I'd think of a paper cuts.

00:29:27.000 Oh, they'd sting like hell.

00:29:28.000 Do they provide gloves and masks and social distancing?

00:29:32.000 If they provide that, I'm in.

00:29:33.000 Hey, guys, uh, you can go... But I, I...

00:29:37.000 Well, I just, I think it also speaks to something that I'm really interested in, which is like, where is the real mainstream?

00:29:45.000 You know, the minutes I was listening to you guys talk, you're like, this is what the mainstream says.

00:29:50.000 This is what the mainstream says.

00:29:51.000 And I get it.

00:29:52.000 But I started to think about that as like, no, this is what the legacy institutions say, because all of reality is the real mainstream.

00:29:52.000 Right.

00:29:59.000 Look at this movie, The Sound of Freedom.

00:29:59.000 Right.

00:30:02.000 The Sound of Freedom, which was made by Angel Studios, I had never heard of Angel Studios, beat Mission Impossible at the box office, which was put out by Paramount.

00:30:14.000 I don't even think it was reviewed by the so-called mainstream institutions.

00:30:17.000 How does that happen?

00:30:18.000 I think one of the things happening is that the real mainstream just isn't represented by a lot of places.

00:30:27.000 That's brilliant, Barry.

00:30:28.000 I mean, yeah, it's just like these institutions never represented the interests of ordinary people.

00:30:32.000 It's just before they never had an alternative. 0.98

00:30:34.000 Take your medicine, eat your filthy culture. 1.00

00:30:36.000 Now, because of this technology and communications miracle, it's possible to provide alternatives.

00:30:40.000 That's why you have to establish a means and legitimize censorship.

00:30:44.000 Otherwise, what we learn is this culture is entirely non-representative.

00:30:47.000 It will atrophy and die and people will build a new culture that absolutely ignores it.

00:30:53.000 What about that, mate?

00:30:57.000 Yes.

00:30:59.000 Yes.

00:31:01.000 Don't patronize me from probably from New York.

00:31:07.000 I'm in L.A.

00:31:07.000 actually right now.

00:31:08.000 That's worse.

00:31:10.000 Me and Oliver Antony, we're in the paper mill.

00:31:14.000 We are there.

00:31:15.000 We are sick and tired of these cuts on our fingers, aren't we?

00:31:21.000 I'm going to need another manicure.

00:31:23.000 I've not had a manicure since the beginning of it.

00:31:24.000 Where is my manicurist?

00:31:26.000 Get this man a manicure and a facial. 0.99

00:31:28.000 No, look at those soft hands.

00:31:30.000 No, look, I think we're living in this in-between moment, right?

00:31:35.000 Joe Rogan gets more viewers, more listeners in one episode than CNN gets in a week, right?

00:31:42.000 It's just like we're living in this in-between time where those places still have the prestige.

00:31:47.000 They often still have the means of distribution.

00:31:50.000 and you have all of these things sort of popping up, new podcasts, new sub stack, new newsletters,

00:31:56.000 new YouTubes, new rum, whatever, right?

00:31:59.000 And people are trying to find them and that's the challenge, right?

00:32:02.000 For people like me that sort of live on the internet, I know where to look and I know how to sort of

00:32:07.000 separate the wheat from the chaff.

00:32:08.000 If you're a busy lawyer, you're a busy accountant, you're a busy doctor, you're like,

00:32:12.000 I don't have time to read 20 different newsletters and listen to 20 different podcasts

00:32:16.000 and like give me one place.

00:32:18.000 And that's the question, right?

00:32:19.000 Is there going to be some kind of confederation between a lot of these indies?

00:32:24.000 How are we going to make it more convenient for people to find?

00:32:28.000 Right now, people are sort of following all of their different online senseis or online trusted sources around the

00:32:34.000 internet. And I think a big question is in the next five or ten years, are we going to see a consolidation?

00:32:40.000 Oh, well, we might all team up like the Avengers.

00:32:43.000 Justice League, baby.

00:32:45.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Oh, you've gone alternative.

00:32:49.000 All right, mate.

00:32:49.000 That's brilliant.

00:32:50.000 Thanks for coming on here, Barry.

00:32:51.000 Thanks for being so brilliant and fast and lurid and fast and vivid and quick and peculiar and strange, delightful and clever.

00:32:57.000 It's really brilliant to talk to you.

00:32:59.000 You're a joy.

00:33:01.000 You lot should go see Barry.

00:33:02.000 If you're in LA, go see Barry's event.

00:33:04.000 It's next Wednesday.

00:33:05.000 Go to thefp.com forward slash debates to see a proper debate about the sexual revolution.

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.000 Thank you so much.

00:33:12.000 Really, really look forward to seeing some of you there.

00:33:14.000 Do you think I did quite well there, Barry, overall?

00:33:17.000 Oh no.

00:33:18.000 It was quite good.

00:33:19.000 Oh no.

00:33:20.000 The questioning, the plug-in.

00:33:21.000 Immediate praise.

00:33:22.000 Wouldn't mind a bit of praise.

00:33:23.000 That's what me and Oliver Antony, we just need a bit of praise!

00:33:25.000 No, he doesn't need any.

00:33:27.000 I just need a bit of praise, not a paper mill!

00:33:30.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:33:32.000 Barry's just a professional person.

00:33:34.000 Well done, Barry.

00:33:35.000 Good to see you again, mate.

00:33:36.000 Love to the family.

00:33:38.000 There she goes.

00:33:38.000 She's brilliant.

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