Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 16, 2025


Reporting From Tommy Robinson’s ‘Unite the Kingdom’ March - SF634


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 5 minutes

Words per Minute

188.0

Word Count

12,220

Sentence Count

936

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

36


Summary


Transcript

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell confidential conspiracy theory.
00:00:12.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
00:00:16.000 Hello and welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brown.
00:00:19.000 Today we are talking about the marches in London, the Unite the Kingdom March.
00:00:23.000 We had a correspondent there making his debut in the role, Joe McCann, voice of the people, talking about uh his insights and experiences on that incredible day.
00:00:36.000 Joe, what was it like?
00:00:39.000 It was good, mate.
00:00:40.000 It was lively, there was a lot of people there.
00:00:43.000 Um it was a great atmosphere, actually.
00:00:45.000 I really enjoyed it.
00:00:46.000 I really enjoyed it.
00:00:48.000 It's good that you've made your debut as a reporter.
00:00:51.000 We're gonna be looking at some of the footage that Joe got from this march, as well as some of the news footage and the reporting around it.
00:00:58.000 If you watched our show yesterday, I see this as a really significant moment because what the organisers and in particular Tommy Robinson have achieved is they've gotten a march that didn't descend into violence, where the message is pretty clear that British people are not happy with the way their country is being governed, and they've conveyed that message in a way that's not incendiary.
00:01:25.000 The fact that Elon Musk spoke at it as well shows that there ain't they ain't gonna have their supply lines cut anytime soon to communication.
00:01:34.000 So we'll be watching some of the footage from the day.
00:01:36.000 What's it on, mate?
00:01:39.000 Some one.
00:01:40.000 And joining us today are of course for this watch along and participatory conversation in democracy and pro let's call it this.
00:01:47.000 This is like we're having a conversation about democracy, what the word democracy even means.
00:01:53.000 Does it mean that the will of the people is represented through systems of ballot boxes and representation, or is democracy a bunch of institutions that stay within the control of the government regardless of what you do?
00:02:06.000 Um, one of the things that fascinated me most was something that Joe said, which we'll get to in a minute, that whether it was the sort of antifa anti-fascist folks that are always in attendance if there's a protest of this nature, or the protesters themselves.
00:02:19.000 No one's got anything good to say about the current UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer.
00:02:25.000 So the thing that fascinates me most is this government is fragile and unstable.
00:02:30.000 This is a really really interesting moment.
00:02:33.000 Um I've got Jake with me, my mate Jake who runs the show.
00:02:35.000 You're right, Jake.
00:02:36.000 I'm doing so good.
00:02:37.000 Man, Joe looked awesome.
00:02:39.000 What a new one.
00:02:40.000 Did he do well?
00:02:40.000 What a natural.
00:02:41.000 We need to put him on more assignments.
00:02:43.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:02:44.000 I say Jake's got a permanent job now as a reporter on matters of this nature.
00:02:48.000 Dave Fields is uh with us as well.
00:02:51.000 What's up, man?
00:02:52.000 You look awesome.
00:02:53.000 It's good.
00:02:54.000 Did you have you seen any of this yet, Dave?
00:02:56.000 I seen a little bit, just a clip.
00:02:58.000 The truth is we're all a bit disappointed you didn't beat anyone up.
00:03:01.000 But no, we're not, we're proud of you.
00:03:05.000 Well done.
00:03:06.000 We've not watched this yet.
00:03:07.000 Let's have a look.
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00:03:17.000 We're still, of course, reflecting on the recent murder of Charlie Cook, and we'll be showing you my tribute to that.
00:03:24.000 No, we won't, will we?
00:03:26.000 We'll be showing you some of my thoughts on that in a minute.
00:03:30.000 Um, yeah, but let's have let's have a look.
00:03:33.000 Let's have a look at Joe's.
00:03:34.000 Let's have a look at some of the reporting that Joe's done.
00:03:36.000 Is it on one?
00:03:36.000 Is it Isaac?
00:03:37.000 Check this out.
00:03:38.000 That's the fascist now, no, no, no.
00:03:41.000 You either fight back or you don't.
00:03:46.000 What do we want?
00:03:47.000 Please fight that.
00:03:48.000 A bunch of us.
00:03:49.000 Well, they're trying to keep a divide.
00:03:50.000 I think they're just trying to keep the peace.
00:03:52.000 Got to be peaceful.
00:03:53.000 Otherwise, we leave.
00:03:54.000 So we're on your left.
00:03:56.000 Let's keep it calm, boys.
00:03:57.000 Tommy Robinson looks like a noncinoped on his Timothy Ruckett.
00:04:00.000 We are not against immigration.
00:04:01.000 This country.
00:04:02.000 He looked like a nonsense a pedo, didn't he?
00:04:04.000 Scary.
00:04:05.000 Mate, what was that?
00:04:06.000 What was it like?
00:04:08.000 Like, because you spoke to people that were at the march, but you also spoke to the counter-protesters.
00:04:14.000 Tell us what that was like, Joe.
00:04:16.000 Oh, there was some contrast, I'll tell you that.
00:04:18.000 So, unlike the Unite the Kingdom, Unite the Nation, rather, it was good vibes, carnival atmosphere, everyone really happy to be there, like a real sense of national pride.
00:04:28.000 And it was lovely being around everyone.
00:04:30.000 Families and everything, you know, and everyone wanted to talk to us.
00:04:33.000 They're all sort of interacting with us, and it was great.
00:04:37.000 On the other side, very hostile, very hostile.
00:04:42.000 There's a lot of face coverings, a lot of anger, and I think they sort of assumed that we were from the other side and had a stance on it, and we were trying to remain neutral just to talk to everyone and see what was going on.
00:04:55.000 Yeah, but I'm trying to think about that.
00:04:57.000 Like, you know, like the last week when we were doing this.
00:05:00.000 I talked about when I've been on left wing protests.
00:05:03.000 Back then it was called Reclaim the Streets, but there was like I remember thinking it was super exciting, everyone was wearing black so that they couldn't get identified.
00:05:10.000 I mean, it was there it was a time where surveillance was less all uh pervasive.
00:05:15.000 Um but like I was sort of I was to kind of think it was cool, you know, hiding your face and that kind of thing.
00:05:22.000 Now though, when like even in the footage I've seen of your reporting of the day, it's not a little bit creepy and eerie about them.
00:05:30.000 It's not good, it's not like a good vibe, it's not like a positive thing.
00:05:34.000 And I think one of the things that's totally come to the forefront, it did in Brexit, and it did when Trump got into power the first time, is people have been looking at ways to justify hating ordinary working people.
00:05:45.000 Oh, I suppose that's obvious now, is because like the last wave of like jobs was the creation of a professional class like the working media and all sorts of you know, sort of post-university type jobs, and that class of people, for some reason, well, there was a kind of a presumed alliance between what was called the intelligentsia and the proletariat.
00:06:05.000 That's what like Marxism was kind of based on is working people will team up with the educated classes and they'll overthrow as it was then in Russia, the monarchy.
00:06:14.000 That's totally broken down now.
00:06:16.000 Like the intelligentsia now wants some sort of seemingly compassionate, i.e., woke movement where they don't have to pay the toll of ordinary working people.
00:06:26.000 Industry has moved abroad, there aren't loads of manufacturing jobs that founded the British left in the UK no more, nor in America.
00:06:35.000 Them jobs are in China, them jobs are in India.
00:06:38.000 Now, the political movement hasn't adjusted to that.
00:06:42.000 Like, there isn't a there like the closest thing to a populist working movement has come out of the right, and that was not an easy thing to predict 10-20 years ago because the anti-establishment heat was in the left, you know, because like when I was joining in them things on May Day or whatever, they were working class protests with the support you could tell of some students and all that kind of thing, i.e., proletariat and intelligentsia.
00:07:09.000 Now them kind of alliances have totally broken down.
00:07:12.000 Instead of that, all of the left are care about like woke issues, identity politic issues, and the problem with identity politics is it's worship of the self.
00:07:20.000 If you worship yourself, that's how the that's how Satan gets you.
00:07:24.000 You shouldn't be worshiping your own sexuality, you shouldn't be worshiping any aspect of yourself.
00:07:28.000 Your attachment to yourself is a problem, and let me tell you, I know all about that because I've had a lot of uh attachments to myself.
00:07:34.000 Alright, let's jump back in unless any of you got anything to say on my last outburst.
00:07:39.000 Let's get into Joe.
00:07:40.000 Country was built on Images.
00:07:42.000 We're losing our identity.
00:07:44.000 Charlie Kirk said everyone's got to be heard, and then he's spelled to take Truth.
00:07:49.000 Yeah, we know about that turn.
00:07:51.000 Everybody in this country, our ancestors for everything's a sword and standard, and he's tied to fucking through it.
00:08:03.000 Come on, man!
00:08:05.000 I'm Joe McCann, just your average Joe, not really a reporter, but I'm having a little go at it.
00:08:09.000 We're off in at London today to see what these marches are all about, and even chat to the anti-protesters and see what it is that they're up to reporting for stay free media.
00:08:16.000 I'm going up to uh London Days for first March, and I just think uh enough's enough.
00:08:21.000 We are coming second all the time.
00:08:24.000 Lovely opening link, by the way, Joe.
00:08:27.000 Great work, your first ever opening link.
00:08:31.000 Thanks, mate.
00:08:32.000 He's not a trained professional.
00:08:34.000 This is his first time.
00:08:36.000 He's just an average guy out there giving us his his thoughts and opinion.
00:08:39.000 He's what we want, isn't it?
00:08:41.000 He's a free man.
00:08:42.000 He's a free starts.
00:08:44.000 I like so these people, these are the first people you spoke to, is it mate?
00:08:48.000 Yeah, these lot was on the train on the way there.
00:08:50.000 It was quite funny.
00:08:51.000 Like that fella, it was his first time going to one of these marches.
00:08:55.000 He had his daughter with him, and she was just off into town to do a sponsored walk, nothing to do with it.
00:09:01.000 She knows we're connected to it.
00:09:02.000 I'm going to remark, well, right to drop her off anyway.
00:09:05.000 She's doing a fan run, raise money for spina bifida.
00:09:08.000 So I'm going down to support Tommy.
00:09:10.000 She's going to well support the whole bodily function, really, through the spine.
00:09:14.000 Um a lot of taxes work very hard.
00:09:17.000 And the money just doesn't seem to be going to us.
00:09:20.000 You going up as well?
00:09:21.000 No, I've got a sponsor.
00:09:23.000 Robinson's asking, no face masks, no alcohol.
00:09:28.000 Any of you've faced any sort of like backlash from mates or people that are sort of anti this, this sort of like right wing, racist and all that kind of stuff.
00:09:37.000 Definitely not racist.
00:09:38.000 It's about pride and our lower whole country basically.
00:09:41.000 Is it racist for me to say this?
00:09:43.000 Two weekends ago I was in Maiden on a family day out in the place called Pont Hill.
00:09:48.000 It was a family out, it was kind.
00:09:51.000 Go there with my two kids and my two grandkids.
00:09:53.000 And I felt uncomfortable there.
00:09:55.000 I felt uncomfortable.
00:09:57.000 I was there for an hour and I wanted to go home.
00:10:00.000 I'll leave it to you to guess why.
00:10:02.000 Because you're a racist?
00:10:04.000 I felt uncomfortable.
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00:10:07.000 That's what that's what they want, don't they?
00:10:09.000 They want everyone to think people like us are right wing racist when absolutely not true.
00:10:14.000 I go up to Remembrance Sunday every year.
00:10:18.000 And last year, you had people doing opposing marches trying to stop here.
00:10:22.000 What is that all about?
00:10:24.000 Yeah, I'm there to applaud the veterans that fought for us that are still alive.
00:10:29.000 And you get people opposing.
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00:10:35.000 I don't care whether they were born here, they're white, they're brown, they're black, whatever.
00:10:40.000 If you think that that is bad, that people want to go and applaud the veterans and fall in this country.
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00:12:38.000 What do we want to see happen as a result of this?
00:12:42.000 Respect where you live.
00:12:44.000 Simple as that.
00:12:44.000 Just respect where you live.
00:12:45.000 And if you don't, want to come in, don't come in.
00:12:48.000 I lived in Dubai for four years.
00:12:50.000 You live by their rules.
00:12:52.000 And if you don't, you're out.
00:12:53.000 It's as simple as that.
00:12:54.000 We've got 10,000 people sat in our police cells.
00:12:57.000 That wasn't even bored in this country.
00:13:01.000 10,400.
00:13:03.000 How much is that costing?
00:13:05.000 The British tax bale.
00:13:07.000 Billions.
00:13:07.000 They seem like nice people.
00:13:09.000 I mean, what I find interesting is the opposing views and the way that this is viewed as like extreme right wing racism.
00:13:18.000 But then the people we spiked to down the train, they just seemed like, you know, normal sort of working class guys that uh are here more out of a sense of national pride and want to preserve what they love about the country.
00:13:32.000 This looks dead official.
00:13:33.000 Yeah, I agree with that now.
00:13:35.000 Good walk and talk from Joe.
00:13:37.000 Joe's a natural.
00:13:38.000 The guy that said if you go to Dubai, you gotta follow their rules.
00:13:41.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
00:13:43.000 Yeah, like say if you went to Japan, you've got to crack on with a Japanese, ain't you?
00:13:47.000 You can't go there and say, listen, you lot, get him fucking kimonos off.
00:13:51.000 You sort of like bricks.
00:13:54.000 It's true.
00:13:54.000 I mean, it's just it's crazy.
00:13:56.000 Like you don't go anywhere else and do that.
00:13:58.000 But tell you this though, everyone, all of us, this is one of the things that I'm finding um, what's the word?
00:14:04.000 Exhausting, debilitating, dispiriting about occupying this space.
00:14:08.000 Not that I don't love you and like for talking to you.
00:14:11.000 What I mean is every artifact that enters the public conversation immediately through some seemingly inherent viscosity, attracts on one side hatred and on the other side love, like everything.
00:14:24.000 Charlie Kirk's been assassinated.
00:14:26.000 He deserves it, he was despicable.
00:14:28.000 Fuck that guy, it's good, you know, Bob Villain, or he looked he's a martyr.
00:14:34.000 Like people are using it in both directions.
00:14:38.000 Like, and uh and then so that's something that's very recent and very pertinent and very sort of local to us.
00:14:44.000 We know Charlie Kirk, and we're like, it's so sort of got that level of sensitivity.
00:14:48.000 But it's happening with everything, like cracker barrel or whatever, like any little story gets politicised.
00:14:56.000 Now, that's because I suppose say the geezer there that was a bit more I was in Maidenhead the other day and I felt uncomfortable, and I'll leave you to guess what.
00:15:03.000 It's probably saying there's a lot of like I'm guessing he's saying a lot of Muslim folk there, it seems to be what he was saying, right?
00:15:08.000 Like now, I personally think it's all right to have some variety in a country, but you do also similarly have to recognise this is England.
00:15:19.000 If you've come to England, then presumably that's because you like England.
00:15:23.000 Now, look, where this gets complicated for me is when we say England, who's in charge of this country?
00:15:29.000 Who's running it?
00:15:30.000 Who's benefiting from its systems, its systems of government, its economic systems, its cultural systems, and the way the information is reported.
00:15:37.000 It's not working class people, and it's not actually Muslims either.
00:15:41.000 Like Muslims are not the elite.
00:15:43.000 The elite ain't a bunch of refugees in a jail.
00:15:46.000 Like you can like for me, the argument ends here.
00:15:49.000 If in a democracy you believe that the what democracy means is the will of the people represented through the ballot box, and people don't want refugees or like Muslim migrants in that's the end of the bloody conversation.
00:16:01.000 Have a referendum on it.
00:16:03.000 That's the end of it.
00:16:05.000 But what I want to continually point out, and it seems important to do it to me because we I think we're gonna see like you know, a lot of rise in tensions, is that you can't get nowhere with hatred.
00:16:17.000 You can't move this forward with hatred, whether it's in response to Charlie Kirk's murder or the issue of migration.
00:16:24.000 And what's particularly important, I think, when it comes to the issue of migration, is them people don't have real power.
00:16:30.000 I tried to talk about that with Tommy and did, but Tommy Robinson is very obviously focused on the issues that he believes to be central, and you know, that's obviously that's his purpose in life, and that's all cool.
00:16:42.000 But like what I feel like the contribution that we can make is the focus of your ire can't be people that don't have power, even if it's just practical.
00:16:51.000 There what like imagine this is a thought experiment.
00:16:55.000 Every mm migrant is out of the country.
00:16:57.000 I even see Carl there.
00:16:58.000 Every migrant is out of the country.
00:17:00.000 Now what you got?
00:17:01.000 Now what you got, you still got the media, you've still got the government, the media, and the corporate challenges that you had previously.
00:17:08.000 It's not gonna be now you can get councillor houses and you can get doctors' appointments more easily.
00:17:12.000 There's because there's a squeeze going on.
00:17:14.000 Do you know that they're selling off your NHS data to private insurance firms that Tony Blair is involved in and backing?
00:17:23.000 Do you know that?
00:17:25.000 Do you know that this issue is not the issue that will increase your sovereignty?
00:17:29.000 I understand it, and if that's what people, you know, I recognize it if you're in Epi and there's an hotel and there's someone's nonster 13-year-old girl, you're gonna have a visceral reaction to that.
00:17:40.000 And who's who can deny that reaction?
00:17:42.000 And the rape gang stuff, that's all terrible and awful.
00:17:46.000 But in general, it's a it's getting disproportion.
00:17:50.000 I think it's getting disproportionate attention when it comes to where real power lies.
00:17:54.000 Joe, did people like when you're there, mate?
00:17:57.000 Were people primarily talking about the issue of Migration, and did you know people talking about other things like you know I don't know, corruption, hypocrisy, media, whatever?
00:18:07.000 Um, I'd say primarily it was to stop migration, but a lot of it was about a sense of national pride coming together, proud to be British and want to preserve what it means to be British.
00:18:20.000 And I thought that was nice, you know.
00:18:22.000 That was something I liked about it.
00:18:24.000 Um asked the question to a few people, like you feel like there's some sort of globalist agenda, and we're it's gonna enforce more control, digital IDs, that kind of stuff.
00:18:33.000 And everyone that I said that to, they're like, yeah, potentially, and we would not have that either.
00:18:38.000 You'd see the same response you're seeing for this if that was to be enforced.
00:18:42.000 Do you see?
00:18:43.000 That's good.
00:18:43.000 Do you see like um did people talk about COVID at all and how the country changed?
00:18:49.000 Oh no, I didn't hear much talk about that to be honest.
00:18:52.000 Yeah, all right.
00:18:55.000 Yeah.
00:18:56.000 I mean the immigration and those things, especially how drastic they are.
00:19:04.000 Great distraction while they're behind the scenes, get more control, more power.
00:19:08.000 Yeah, because like now they are talking about like digital ID projects that have been discussed for a long while and now being discussed in light of controlling migration.
00:19:18.000 So like I I just can't help but think that Satan or evil or whatever words you you know, them benefits from confusion and division.
00:19:31.000 That's how that's for that's the kind of preferred state.
00:19:36.000 And I think that that we have to try and continually negotiate ourselves back to a point of love somehow.
00:19:41.000 But let's say let's watch some more of um uh Joe made this film with Liam, Liam Sullivan.
00:19:46.000 It's it looks really good so far.
00:19:47.000 This looks dead official now, walking around with a microphone.
00:19:50.000 I feel quite important.
00:19:51.000 It's nice, isn't it?
00:19:57.000 Flown back eight hours to come and do this.
00:19:59.000 Oh, beautiful.
00:20:00.000 So, where do you live now?
00:20:02.000 Interestingly, I live out in the UAE.
00:20:04.000 In the UAE.
00:20:05.000 Oh, amazing.
00:20:06.000 And the issue is not with Islam, it's with the type of people that we're bringing into this country.
00:20:12.000 Yeah, the moderates are perfectly fine.
00:20:14.000 Yeah, if you're educated, they're perfectly nice people.
00:20:20.000 It's just what we're allowing into this country is the absolute lowest of the low.
00:20:26.000 They don't understand how to fit in.
00:20:28.000 Even the people from the UAE government warn us do not let these people into your country, they will destroy it.
00:20:36.000 Obviously, there's push and pull factors, there's push factors that push them out of their own country.
00:20:40.000 Yeah, but there's we can't believe you let that guy get away at speaking to you like that.
00:20:44.000 He's asking for it, Joe.
00:20:45.000 You should have chinned him there and then you should have flat-ironed him right out.
00:20:49.000 I was still quite chirpy at this point.
00:20:51.000 Like, oh, where are you from?
00:20:52.000 Oh, amazing, and all that.
00:20:54.000 It was a bit of a mask.
00:20:55.000 In the end, I just had to start being myself, or I would have got the car can't keep this shit up anymore.
00:21:00.000 Nah.
00:21:01.000 I'm just gonna lean into being myself.
00:21:03.000 But I actually look at him, like whether you agree with him or not, he that was a pretty well put and cohesive argument.
00:21:11.000 Uh sometime you see, uh, you might not know, I don't know if you know.
00:21:14.000 There's a fellow called Edward Said, he wrote a book called Orientalism.
00:21:17.000 The book Orientalism sort of said that we assume that we're doing it right, and other places are doing it wrong, and we project a kind of shadow onto other countries, and we assume that people have to be inverted commerce, secularized and educated, like you know, what's it these but you know it's difficult to sort of argue against it's difficult to argue against if you're gonna have mass migration and it's gonna be mostly like young men,
00:21:43.000 and those young men are not familiar with the customs, and in some cases do not respect and don't even like the customs, and many of the sort of protests we've seen out of France and our country that um like where there are sort of um you know in migrant disturbances, it does look like people that are not in tune with what's going on in like a modern city like Paris, then it and so his point there is a pretty I don't know, seems like a pretty valid one.
00:22:14.000 Right, let's bang on our videos, get back to our chirpy old Joe chatting to people in Waterloo.
00:22:19.000 Yeah, but there's pull factors that pull them into here.
00:22:21.000 And if you're gonna leave somewhere where you live in poverty, and you can come over here and be guaranteed of cash, A four-star hotel, a free cell phone, and you get to live for free for life and eat nice food.
00:22:36.000 Why are you not going to try and come here?
00:22:39.000 You have to stop the pull factor.
00:22:41.000 Yeah.
00:22:42.000 Stop the benefits, and it will stop most of the people coming.
00:22:46.000 Stop the benefits, and the ones that are here will send themselves home.
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00:24:31.000 I was saying to Russell, so like as not being a media person, my interview technique, or my whole philosophy around it, really, it's like when we used to play Assassin's Creed, yeah.
00:24:40.000 You just roam around, you walk up to people, press triangle, and you get all these different like options of responses and that.
00:24:46.000 That's how I see it.
00:24:46.000 Go up to this bloke, press square, go up to her, press circle.
00:24:49.000 So what brings you out is it more a case of national sort of pride?
00:24:52.000 Just to stand up and say we've had enough.
00:24:54.000 Yeah.
00:24:54.000 We've all had enough.
00:24:55.000 Do you know what?
00:24:56.000 We are not against immigration.
00:24:57.000 This country was built on immigration.
00:24:59.000 Yeah.
00:24:59.000 100%.
00:25:00.000 You look at the hospitals, it's full of full of people that have come over here, they've immigrated, they're working their socks off, they're playing into our system.
00:25:06.000 It's the people that are coming here on boats, getting it all for nothing while our kids are struggling.
00:25:11.000 Have a little chat of us, tell us why you're here today.
00:25:13.000 That was a good interview.
00:25:14.000 And I like the phrase, working your socks off in our NHS.
00:25:18.000 Also, Joe, that is a good philosophy.
00:25:20.000 You're using Assassin's Creed philosophy.
00:25:22.000 Just go up someone, triangle, circle.
00:25:27.000 It worked.
00:25:28.000 See, but work for the most part.
00:25:29.000 I like that feature, and all he was good stuff in.
00:25:31.000 Yeah, he's alright, just having a beer, isn't he?
00:25:33.000 He's chatting as good as that's the sort of earth British.
00:25:36.000 Me and Joe used to like when we was hanging out on Saturdays when I was living in the UK, we used to go to our like our let's call them mental health uh meetings together.
00:25:46.000 And like we used to do this thing, flaneuring.
00:25:49.000 Um flaneurin is when you just go into the world and like just have an adventure, just sort of follow your nose, as it were, see where you end up.
00:25:56.000 Like someone might invite you to do a thing, you might find yourself in a pet shop with reptiles, you might find yourself rescuing a fallen cyclist in the middle of the road.
00:26:04.000 You still play that every day.
00:26:06.000 Oh, yeah, that's why I do.
00:26:07.000 I'm playing it now.
00:26:10.000 Yeah, sort of go with the flow.
00:26:11.000 I once see Tucker Carlson say he goes, you know, Russell Brand, like if so he met ran into someone and they said you want to go to the Maldives, he would just go.
00:26:18.000 And I feel like, oh, I like that he thinks that about me, because actually, I don't want to go to Maldives.
00:26:23.000 I went there during COVID and they fucking locked me in my hotel room.
00:26:25.000 It was a nightmare.
00:26:26.000 Tell us why you're here today.
00:26:28.000 I can't I can't, because of my job.
00:26:31.000 No, I can't.
00:26:32.000 You can get the sacks.
00:26:33.000 This is only Russell Brand's YouTube.
00:26:35.000 It's interesting though, isn't it?
00:26:36.000 Like, it's quite a polar.
00:26:37.000 So Russell Brand's YouTube.
00:26:39.000 Listen.
00:26:40.000 Put that out everywhere.
00:26:41.000 Let's get this.
00:26:42.000 Let's get that woman's facts.
00:26:43.000 Like that cold play couple.
00:26:45.000 A polarising thing, and I've come across people that are having difficulties with colleagues that are turning up today.
00:26:50.000 And I'm not sure how feel about it.
00:26:52.000 And I think that comes down to the perception of mainstream media.
00:26:57.000 Oh, when you go like travel around Europe and that, if you're in Italy or Spain or whatever, like I like to see that country's flag and things that remind me of it.
00:27:05.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:27:06.000 Go to Italy, pizza restaurants, life pasta plastic ass and all that, football and in the pubs, Italian flags.
00:27:14.000 Do you feel like this country is slowly starting to lose its identity?
00:27:17.000 Yes.
00:27:18.000 Yeah.
00:27:19.000 You can tell on the streets, not the high streets.
00:27:21.000 Or what I'm want to make clear is it's not all about colour.
00:27:24.000 People are welcome in this country if they come here legally through the right routes, but when they're here, they need to adhere to our values.
00:27:31.000 Here we are at Black Friar Station.
00:27:32.000 This is the start of the meeting point.
00:27:34.000 Like my value is I like to wear this colourful outfit as my values.
00:27:38.000 Yeah, it's good.
00:27:39.000 Like the thing like that, this is what I've this is my legacy of the long time I spent in counterculture from a different perspective.
00:27:45.000 Is that say if you imagine that high street, the apocryphal high street of that man's story?
00:27:51.000 What's that high street like now?
00:27:53.000 What would it have been like in the 1950s or 60s?
00:27:55.000 Maybe like a little greengrocer, a local boozer, you know the person who runs the greengrocer, you know the person even that runs the bookies, you know the person that's working in the shop where you can get like you know, your butcher, your fishmonger.
00:28:09.000 Now, what's it like?
00:28:10.000 Every single like man, where I live now, it's just Walmart after Walmart.
00:28:15.000 It's just like one long massive road, about five Walmarts on it.
00:28:19.000 All that revenues going to one place.
00:28:21.000 So the homogenization and the stripping of an identity, and it's different in our country, the UK, to uh to America, because it's not got the s you know, a deeper history.
00:28:32.000 But I think all of us want communities where you know the people that are selling your stuff, you know the people that are at your schools, and you have a sense of connection.
00:28:41.000 Curiously enough, this global technology of immediate communication could be used to create once again localized community, true democracy, and open and transparent communication and government.
00:28:53.000 It's not getting used to do that, it's getting used to create mass surveillance, censorship, total control, centralization of control.
00:29:00.000 And the and that's the reason for that is obvious because the possibility now exists for a completely different way of life.
00:29:07.000 And while we're all mired in hating one another and quarrelling and squabbling and every single thing that happens in the news, trying to turn it to our advantage or to our opponents' disadvantage.
00:29:18.000 The people and the sets of institutions that have been in power maybe for a very very long time, can certainly governed by something that's been in power for a very long time, continue in ascendancy.
00:29:30.000 Look at what happened during COVID, power consolidated, wealth transferred, the ability to legislate increased.
00:29:38.000 And the UK since then it's gotten worse and worse and worse.
00:29:41.000 The US is on a sort of different path when it comes to government just because a populist right-wing government got in, but it's not on a different path.
00:29:50.000 You know, people I think are starting to sense there are some things that are beyond the reach and remit of government.
00:29:56.000 But really, what's required is a devolution of power, a decentralisation of power.
00:30:02.000 And I'm not sure that we are even we don't even really know how have those conversations yet, because we're so mired in the right did this, the left did that, Muslims did this, Jews done that.
00:30:14.000 Like it we're still caught up in that stuff.
00:30:17.000 In point, we're gonna cross the bridge, Stanford Street.
00:30:20.000 This looks like it could just be the tip of the iceberg.
00:30:22.000 Yeah, Stormers awanka.
00:30:25.000 So where we live in crew, it's like 80% of them and 20%.
00:30:29.000 That's good stuff.
00:30:29.000 Clip that's really good.
00:30:33.000 Yeah, I'm on tele, yeah, good.
00:30:36.000 Stammers awanka.
00:30:37.000 8% of us, right?
00:30:39.000 And the town fucked, and you walk around and you'll you're alienated in your own town.
00:30:43.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, click the link in the description to watch the rest of this extraordinary piece of journalism.
00:30:49.000 Flag, get your flag!
00:30:52.000 They're charging 15 down the road, they're robbing bastards.
00:30:55.000 We're getting told that if you fucking love England, I love England, charging 15 down the road, robbing bastards.
00:31:02.000 Well, tell you what you've done a good job of you and Leamia, is you have captured the flavour of Britain.
00:31:08.000 Like it's it's not all.
00:31:10.000 Hello, today we were at the protests, Tommy Robinson, hero to some, villain to others, recently released from prison, and he had an unusual appearance from Elon Musk advocating it like it's not like that.
00:31:23.000 It's like you flare your flagship.
00:31:26.000 Everyone has to clarify by saying I'm not a racist, but from an outside perspective, if this was a tourism video, I'd want to go visit these guys.
00:31:35.000 Yeah, yeah, that I like I was wondering, like, mate, the thing is is with Tommy Robinson, what he has totally delivered on is something I used to s fantasise about in my early revolutionary days.
00:31:45.000 Uh at least when I would contemplate it.
00:31:47.000 People that go to football matches are politically activated.
00:31:51.000 Like them lot, what they do you reckon?
00:31:53.000 Like Huddersfield or something or Bradford fans, you know, them geezer with a tattoos all over their heads.
00:31:58.000 Did you say did it feel like football culture, Joe?
00:32:01.000 It did, especially to well, there was four games on in London.
00:32:05.000 I think three of them were derbies, weren't they?
00:32:07.000 Milwaukee.
00:32:08.000 Tottenham.
00:32:09.000 West Ham, Tottenham, and Chelsea Brentford.
00:32:13.000 So they chose the day.
00:32:15.000 They they did it like so they do you think they the organisers chose the day so that there was a lot of football fans in London.
00:32:21.000 Maybe.
00:32:22.000 Maybe.
00:32:23.000 A lot of them did pop up towards the end.
00:32:25.000 I think you see that in this.
00:32:26.000 Well, you will see it, because I was right in the mix of it then.
00:32:29.000 Well, that's because you're an intrepid journalist.
00:32:31.000 You're very much like what's his name?
00:32:33.000 You're the Robert Fisk of the modern day.
00:32:35.000 Robert Fisk.
00:32:36.000 That's you, Robert Fisk.
00:32:37.000 If you stand by your flag, you're a racist, you're a fascist.
00:32:40.000 And I've literally, you know, grown up as a mixed race kid in England, born here, born in Folstone.
00:32:46.000 I've been attacked by blacks, whites, Asians.
00:32:48.000 I don't see race, I see people.
00:32:51.000 Obviously, an annoying person.
00:32:53.000 Everyone's attacking, yeah.
00:32:55.000 And I've been supported and loved by blacks, whites and Asians.
00:32:58.000 1977, when we were kids, you're allowed to put a flag up.
00:33:02.000 Now all of a sudden you're not allowed to.
00:33:03.000 I'll be honest with you, mate.
00:33:04.000 I thought about buying a load of flags to bring it yourself.
00:33:07.000 It's a good little racket, that's it.
00:33:08.000 So here we are, I've just come over Blackfriars Bridge.
00:33:11.000 As you can see, the road is completely full of people.
00:33:14.000 It's not actually been closed.
00:33:15.000 The road is still open.
00:33:16.000 The old bill there, and they're turning cars around.
00:33:18.000 I mean, let's hope that they can uh keep the cars out for the duration of the march because we all know what could happen.
00:33:28.000 How's it going so far?
00:33:31.000 Yeah, really good.
00:33:32.000 Really enjoying it.
00:33:32.000 Really good to support Tommy while it after he what he's been through.
00:33:35.000 Yeah.
00:33:35.000 And uh, and just to get a message across that, you know, had enough, everybody's had enough, things have to change.
00:33:40.000 Guardians who expected, say why!
00:33:45.000 And we say mainstream media!
00:33:47.000 No, not even mainstream from the government.
00:33:49.000 It's coming from the government.
00:33:51.000 They're coming from no one else apart from the government, they're trying to divide our people.
00:33:54.000 That's what they're trying to do to defy people.
00:33:56.000 At the end of the day, like we we thought how many fucking wars to keep it out is, and then all of a sudden 20 30 years later, we're just losing our fucking backbone.
00:34:03.000 Why?
00:34:04.000 You know, and then I'm speaking on behalf of black people, white people, uh English people.
00:34:08.000 At the end of the day, we we just want our country back to where it fucking was.
00:34:13.000 I want to safe, I want to safe Yeah, it's good, Joe.
00:34:16.000 You're getting good stuff there, mate.
00:34:17.000 That's good, that's what we want.
00:34:19.000 Yeah, I'm doing that for our grandkids.
00:34:21.000 It's nice.
00:34:22.000 Safe future for my child.
00:34:24.000 I've got no problem with the cultures.
00:34:26.000 Well, the problem is is is ours being watered down.
00:34:30.000 Ten years ago, there weren't enough homes that have been built.
00:34:32.000 I think they need to build million million homes just for the British people.
00:34:34.000 That was ten years ago.
00:34:35.000 Right now, you're letting 50,000 people win, what is it, a month a week?
00:34:38.000 I don't even know, but how many people are they gonna build a host of the normal stuff?
00:34:41.000 They can't even build a home for that.
00:34:43.000 How are they gonna build a home for them?
00:34:44.000 People got nowhere to live.
00:34:45.000 Fucking the hospital times are up.
00:34:47.000 That chant I don't think is a good chant because the focus of the chant is refugees.
00:34:53.000 Not being like say it loud, say it clear, refugees not welcome here.
00:34:58.000 Like we got I don't know, man.
00:35:00.000 I'm gonna brainstorm that.
00:35:01.000 Although when I did try to introduce some new chants at West Ham, it was one of the worst experiences of my life.
00:35:08.000 I tried to bring about the use of Billy Joel's uh Uptown Girl to sing Upton Park, and I gotta tell ya, it was not received very well in the chicken run.
00:35:21.000 What do you think of Kia Starmer?
00:35:23.000 Wake up!
00:35:24.000 We're going to see the night!
00:35:27.000 We're going to see the night!
00:35:29.000 I think it's important to stand up for free speech and not um hide your hide your thoughts for fear of being called out, for example, as a racist.
00:35:39.000 I'm not against she's lovely, I'm glad she's in it.
00:35:44.000 Well, you know, I just want to speak very freely but quite quietly.
00:35:48.000 I'll not be crazy.
00:35:50.000 What if she was the racist and she's like, I'm not afraid to say it.
00:35:54.000 They all need to get the fit like real side.
00:35:57.000 The masculine of the Negro, it is fundamentally different and the cackling Jew can never be blessed.
00:36:06.000 The Muslim is a pedophile, but Not against immigration per se.
00:36:12.000 But the amount uh is causing a lot of pressures, and ultimately it's affecting our young people who are now finding it hard to if you measure the skull of the Spaniard, they'll side is fundamentally different.
00:36:25.000 And so it's stored in their minds, is simply thoughts of all fighting.
00:36:33.000 What's it like in your local area?
00:36:35.000 Things changed a lot over the last few years.
00:36:36.000 Yeah, and they're all at Withersfield in the old RAF.
00:36:40.000 So they're bringing them all into the town.
00:36:42.000 Obviously, nobody's taking their kids to the parks.
00:36:45.000 And that you know that not safe.
00:36:46.000 They go out delivering at night for an Indian and they're being chased up the road spite.
00:36:50.000 Really?
00:36:51.000 Yeah, in their car.
00:36:52.000 Oh wow.
00:36:53.000 You know, it's just I've got two daughters.
00:36:54.000 It's just not nice, is it?
00:36:56.000 In one word, how do you describe Keir Starmer?
00:36:59.000 So my name's uh Yes, go on, love the one word.
00:37:03.000 She went straight for it.
00:37:05.000 The one word that she thought she paused for a second, Joe.
00:37:08.000 At this point, how long have you been here at this point, mate?
00:37:11.000 Uh we've been there about two hours.
00:37:14.000 Yeah.
00:37:15.000 Yeah, it was just this was just coming up to the meeting point now, the main sort of meeting point on Stanford Street.
00:37:20.000 It all got a bit messy after that.
00:37:22.000 It was a logistical nightmare.
00:37:24.000 But it's because there were so many people there.
00:37:26.000 So many people.
00:37:28.000 And the police started shutting down roads because the counter-protest was coming the opposite way, and they were all gonna meet uh Whitehall, and it just yeah, it fucked it right up, to be honest with you.
00:37:40.000 In a way, though, it's good they you know that it say if you wanted to look at this from a conspiracy theorist perspective, and I do, you would say like that they could have they would have let that happen so they could report violence scenes coloured today's protests with Tommy Robinson, you know, and they did like the fact that it was responsibly policed.
00:38:00.000 When we spoke to Tommy, he said how much com uh contact they had had with the police, ensuring that it was well handled, and it was, wasn't it, Joe?
00:38:10.000 They did a pretty good job.
00:38:11.000 I will say I found the one point where the two sides were sort of clashing a little bit.
00:38:16.000 I was drawn to that because we we made our way to Trafalgar Square and we were at the back of the stage, but the police wouldn't let us through to get our press pass.
00:38:24.000 They suggested walking round.
00:38:25.000 So we walked along Trafalgar Square where the other lot were coming in, and then you had a lot of the football lads coming out as well, and it got a little bit tasty, of course, or straight into that.
00:38:36.000 If there would have been some violence happened, then the numbers would have increased.
00:38:40.000 Then CNN and stuff would have reported that there were millions of violent protesters.
00:38:44.000 You think they judge the numbers, but if it was a peaceful thing, not too many people were there.
00:38:49.000 I think that there's a vested interest in making this if you think of extreme, extreme is another way of saying small.
00:38:56.000 It's like something in the middle is big at its extremities, it's smaller.
00:39:00.000 I don't think they can acknowledge the numbers without accepting that what this amounts to is a rejection of real power.
00:39:08.000 That's where I again what when I talk about the issue of migration and Islam.
00:39:12.000 I'm saying that if you've continued to focus on that aspect, even if that's important to you, then you are you are branding your movement.
00:39:21.000 And and I would say that if the people of Britain want to end migration, then that's the end of it.
00:39:26.000 I would say that end it, like, or you know, impose whatever conditions people vote for.
00:39:31.000 But what the focus really is what why are we why is this happening?
00:39:36.000 Like don't isn't it strange that it's happening in France and Germany and even in the United States?
00:39:41.000 Is it part of an idea to create social disruption?
00:39:44.000 Measurably, uh as someone on the left would say, the the increase of migrant labour reduces the ability of indigenous workers to demand a good income for their toil.
00:39:57.000 But it also in extreme, it means that there are no jobs available.
00:40:02.000 Also, it changes the um inflection of an entire community, and so I can see why that's the thing that hits people first.
00:40:09.000 It is important, um, but but what are the steps that lead to it?
00:40:14.000 Who's making those choices and ultimately who is benefiting from it?
00:40:18.000 Those are the questions that I want to be answered by the Robert Fisk of our day, Joe McCann.
00:40:23.000 So my name's uh Jack, I'm from Australia, and I've come here today to unite with the kingdom.
00:40:28.000 And I brought this rap to pay homage to my forefathers who helped fight for England, and that's my grandfather snally.
00:40:35.000 Um so at the age of 24, bomb bomb Germany to get rid of the Nazis.
00:40:43.000 Sorry.
00:40:44.000 Two seconds, yeah.
00:40:45.000 Well the thing is it's not just about remembering our fall and then our diggers and our our forefathers, but about honouring their sacrifice because if England falls, if the West falls, everything they have done will be in vain.
00:40:57.000 We can't allow that to happen.
00:40:58.000 So you know, I'm taking a stand.
00:41:00.000 So that in mind, what would you like say if you were to describe Keir Starmer in one word?
00:41:06.000 Star Wang, Kamers and Wack.
00:41:12.000 Keystama Pedifers is not keeping our kids safe.
00:41:18.000 And it's united a whole country through the hate we feel for him.
00:41:21.000 The country nice work there.
00:41:24.000 Where's she from?
00:41:25.000 She's got a whole country with a hate you feel from him.
00:41:28.000 I would say possibly that's South London.
00:41:30.000 Well, do Joe somewhere like that?
00:41:32.000 She might be from like Catford, somewhere like that, wearing them shades.
00:41:37.000 She ain't like that, he's united.
00:41:38.000 Oh country, they like the paedophiles.
00:41:41.000 The country's gone to shit, doesn't it?
00:41:43.000 Come on, let's have it, right?
00:41:44.000 All this trans shit and all these immigrants.
00:41:47.000 You're not supposed to swear.
00:41:48.000 I'll fucking I'll fucking swear the fuck out of it.
00:41:51.000 I'll tell them as it is, they're Lord of Bastards.
00:41:53.000 Starmer, what a toss pot.
00:41:55.000 Enough's enough.
00:41:56.000 We've given we want our streets back.
00:41:58.000 We want people of England, Great Britain to know that we won't stand for anymore.
00:42:03.000 Enough is enough.
00:42:04.000 We're losing our identity.
00:42:05.000 Laura from Sorry, what brings you out here today?
00:42:07.000 I just think it's appalling that these small boats come over and we don't know who they are.
00:42:14.000 This is the biggest thing.
00:42:15.000 We don't know who they are, whether they're rapists, murderers or anything.
00:42:19.000 I think it's an absolute disgrace.
00:42:21.000 If I came over off holiday and I had no passport, I wouldn't be allowed back in here.
00:42:28.000 But they can come over on a boat, get a four-star hotel, meals, phones, everything is absolutely disgraceful.
00:42:38.000 Do you feel like you've been looked after by this government or misrepresented?
00:42:41.000 Misrepresented.
00:42:42.000 What would you say if you describe him in one word?
00:42:46.000 Immature.
00:42:48.000 That's kinder than what other people have said.
00:42:50.000 Yeah, Starmer's a one.
00:42:54.000 There you go.
00:42:54.000 It's uh denser concentration now, Union Jacks.
00:42:58.000 And uh still seems to be pretty good spirits here.
00:43:00.000 Everyone's alright.
00:43:01.000 No drama so far.
00:43:03.000 Yo!
00:43:04.000 Do you want to have a quick chat of us?
00:43:06.000 What's your name?
00:43:07.000 Where are you from?
00:43:08.000 Uh Stephen Clair from Boston Reading!
00:43:13.000 All is one today, lads.
00:43:17.000 That's fucking lovely.
00:43:19.000 That's lovely.
00:43:20.000 Like Sugar's I'm from Reading, mate!
00:43:22.000 Oh, that's lovely.
00:43:23.000 Reading's like one of the uh towns of the South or cities, actually in the South, where Ricky Gervais is from, as a matter of fact, that little cluster of cities around there.
00:43:32.000 Yeah, you live in there now, Joe, aren't you?
00:43:33.000 I live there.
00:43:34.000 That's where I live.
00:43:36.000 As your homeboy, your man there from Reading, uh, it's just sort of it it makes it evokes a sort of a beautiful sentimentality about just seeing people have some spirit, you know.
00:43:47.000 How many people see uh seeing people express themselves and say like to see them in a sort of celebratory instead of condemned condemned mode, you know.
00:43:57.000 Lovely, Joe.
00:43:58.000 Well done, mate, well done both of you.
00:44:01.000 What's currently going on in this country will no longer be tolerated.
00:44:04.000 I don't care if you're gonna call us racist or sexist or whatever label you want to stick on us, we will not stand for what we're currently standing for.
00:44:11.000 Violence is not the answer.
00:44:13.000 We need to start talking more.
00:44:14.000 Once we stop talking, otherwise we're gonna stop talking, violence occurs.
00:44:20.000 So we need to peacefully get through this.
00:44:22.000 This country is a Christian.
00:44:24.000 What are you saying, Dave?
00:44:25.000 Is there go as saying violence is nothing, and so we need to start talking more, and then it showed the trolley Kirk.
00:44:31.000 That's pretty good.
00:44:32.000 Yeah, that's pretty beautiful.
00:44:34.000 You did a great job, Joe.
00:44:36.000 Yeah, you've done good, mate.
00:44:37.000 Really good.
00:44:38.000 Was you talking about did people talk about Charlie Kirk much?
00:44:42.000 Uh we saw a few posters and that in tribute to him.
00:44:45.000 Um the only guy we spoke to that actually mentioned him was on the let's say extreme left side, and he didn't have very kind words.
00:44:56.000 But I think that is in this uh in this clip, so you're gonna see him come up at some point.
00:45:01.000 I'm looking forward to him.
00:45:02.000 Alright, we what we've got on me, I've got to do these links in a sec, but it's a Christian country.
00:45:07.000 Jesus says in the Bible, people are called by my name.
00:45:09.000 If they'll humble themselves and return to me, Jesus says I will heal their land.
00:45:14.000 This country is fall asleep.
00:45:16.000 But that was waking it up.
00:45:18.000 Time to get right with Jesus and return.
00:45:20.000 We need a better goblin.
00:45:27.000 We need a better government for a brighter future.
00:45:29.000 What do you like to say at Keir Starmer?
00:45:31.000 He's a cun.
00:45:32.000 Let's speak to some of the stewards.
00:45:33.000 Do you want to have a little chat with us?
00:45:34.000 Victoria from Penn, what brings you here today then?
00:45:37.000 Um our children and their future.
00:45:39.000 Yeah.
00:45:39.000 Christianity as well to bring back our cultural beliefs of Christianity.
00:45:43.000 That seems to be the general consensus.
00:45:45.000 some people like seem to have a fear that we're losing our culture, our sense of identity, especially like, the Christian values of the nation.
00:45:53.000 *hourly, it Gasly, "Charlie"I'm from Pakistan, but I come from USA.
00:46:12.000 The reason why because I'm British, you know, so I'm gonna stand with my brother and sister in in this time.
00:46:17.000 I believe, you know, like we as a nation, we need to come together.
00:46:20.000 And I just want to say one thing, you know, like Jesus loves everyone, you know, and that's why we are this bri this nation need to come back to the God, you know, because they move God from their churches and houses and and parliament and the hospitals, and that's why other people are taking over.
00:46:34.000 We need to come stand together and shout Jesus because Jesus is the king of United Kingdom.
00:46:38.000 This is the line from...
00:46:42.000 This line here is really important.
00:46:44.000 but everybody holds here and doesn't push forwards because we want to do this in an audio and sensible manner to make sure everybody claims the end they say guys good, we've got Ian Caldon, Caldon Hale ready?
00:47:07.000 My name's Lana Wolf.
00:47:09.000 Like I feel like everything's been shifting in the last few weeks, especially in the last few days um since Charlie Kirk.
00:47:14.000 Everyone's saying it's the turning point, and uh yeah, it seems like people are finally waking up.
00:47:18.000 So yeah.
00:47:19.000 It seems like it, doesn't it?
00:47:21.000 I mean, there's a lot of people turned up today to represent the working class.
00:47:24.000 Do you think there's gonna be a change in government?
00:47:27.000 Well, I hope so.
00:47:28.000 We all hope so.
00:47:29.000 Kirst Taver is a wanker!
00:47:31.000 So we're now here at Charing Cross.
00:47:33.000 We've just got the train over because we've heard that North of the River, we're gonna come into the counter-protesters.
00:47:37.000 Hey, you getting on there, mate, you're alright?
00:47:39.000 You up for having a little chat of us?
00:47:41.000 Independent media.
00:47:42.000 How are you doing, guys?
00:47:42.000 Do you want to have a little chat of us?
00:47:43.000 Independent media?
00:47:45.000 I think they call this dead air.
00:47:47.000 Would you mind having a little chat of us?
00:47:49.000 Sorry.
00:47:51.000 What about this geezer?
00:47:52.000 I'm a raving liberal at the moment, not really.
00:47:55.000 None of them will talk to these people.
00:47:57.000 They won't do it.
00:47:58.000 They won't have it.
00:47:58.000 We'd have seen that in America.
00:47:59.000 Yeah.
00:48:00.000 Um I'm just here to observe, let's just say that.
00:48:03.000 I think it's safe to say we're we're observing in the country and we love this country, and yeah, we want to be united.
00:48:09.000 Um we're from an independent media channel.
00:48:12.000 Can we have a little chat with you?
00:48:13.000 Oh, go on, go for it.
00:48:15.000 Yeah.
00:48:16.000 We're not um I'm not a spokesperson for stand up to racism, so you'd have to speak to them when they arrive.
00:48:22.000 But you you're a spokesperson for you.
00:48:24.000 What brings you out here today?
00:48:26.000 What do you mean?
00:48:27.000 What brings me out here today?
00:48:28.000 To stand up to racism.
00:48:30.000 Yeah.
00:48:31.000 So I mean the general views of stand up to racism is that the UK.
00:48:36.000 Where am I from?
00:48:37.000 Woodley.
00:48:39.000 Can you leave, please?
00:48:40.000 Free media, it's Russell Brown's YouTube channel.
00:48:42.000 Yeah, we know that.
00:48:43.000 So we spoke to Unite the Nation and all that, and we want to speak to a few people from Stand Up to Racism.
00:48:49.000 Because otherwise we're only getting one side of what's going on.
00:48:52.000 They'll be here, so they'll be where the ones they'll be wearing orange.
00:48:55.000 Yeah.
00:48:58.000 They will be able to do that.
00:49:01.000 Filming this, just don't talk to me.
00:49:03.000 Okay, fine.
00:49:05.000 It's like that, is it?
00:49:06.000 Yes, it is.
00:49:07.000 Mm.
00:49:11.000 Well, there you go.
00:49:13.000 Why will they not speak to you?
00:49:14.000 I mean, I wouldn't want to speak for them, you know, out of respect, but I think you could have an educator guess.
00:49:20.000 You know how it goes, you know.
00:49:22.000 If you're sure of your conviction, you're happy to have open debate.
00:49:25.000 I mean, maybe you support one football team, you're passionate about Arsenal, one new up.
00:49:30.000 So I'm a boxing fan, but say I support me too.
00:49:33.000 So say I support your nemesis, which is who?
00:49:35.000 Tottenham.
00:49:36.000 We could have a five-steer debate, but still be friends and have a beer.
00:49:39.000 Okay, well, some people can't do that.
00:49:41.000 You know, and that's a problem.
00:49:42.000 So I understand.
00:49:43.000 God bless you, guys.
00:49:44.000 Yeah, you're shooting wank.
00:49:45.000 Come on, get amongst it.
00:49:46.000 Yeah.
00:49:47.000 How are you getting on?
00:49:48.000 You're having a good day.
00:49:49.000 We're here to talk to anyone.
00:49:52.000 We're not getting much out of them in the minute, but you seem quite lively, so we thought we'd have a won't we?
00:49:56.000 Do you feel like the UK's lost its uh traditional Christian values?
00:49:59.000 Totally.
00:50:00.000 It won't after today because this is proven it.
00:50:02.000 You think this is gonna be the catalyst for change?
00:50:05.000 Yeah.
00:50:07.000 We need to get rid of the sorry, we need a big cigar blessing.
00:50:11.000 Fair play, you'd never had time.
00:50:13.000 My my middle son, bless him, we've got a lovely lady, she's a black lady, we don't know what she c what colour she's, but she's with us.
00:50:20.000 So we're not we're not we know I've got a Chinese uh my other son's got a we've got a mix right again Chinese mixed Chinese little girl.
00:50:28.000 I'm from Totland.
00:50:29.000 I'm from South Tottenham.
00:50:30.000 It's like a bit living in the Bronx.
00:50:31.000 All my life, my mate's all black.
00:50:33.000 I'm gonna go over there and be the biggest hypocrite in the world because all the people I mate are black.
00:50:37.000 So what?
00:50:38.000 Listen, it's not who you are, it's what you are.
00:50:42.000 And as you just said, Christians.
00:50:44.000 Listen, I've got music, man, bloody hell.
00:50:47.000 But you take as you find, didn't you?
00:50:49.000 Listen, you can respect people for for your values.
00:50:53.000 And I think that was so so sad about Charlie Kirk.
00:50:57.000 He was never rude, he was always honest.
00:51:00.000 He could speak on every subject.
00:51:02.000 And what would you like to say to the opposing views over here that unite against racism?
00:51:07.000 What would you like to say to him?
00:51:08.000 What racism?
00:51:09.000 Well, I should say, I probably I'm gonna probably end up with I've got a mixed race grand hope, right?
00:51:15.000 And I've got my son with a lovely, I've to say she's black because I can't lie.
00:51:20.000 But what's racism?
00:51:21.000 What when you see that, what thoughts and feelings does it provoke.
00:51:26.000 Well, I see that though protesting because they're one that immigrants are, right?
00:51:30.000 Yeah, but the immigrants are the ones who are working for us getting all the money.
00:51:35.000 So a lot of people like this side is sort of against racism, yeah, whereas Tommy Robinson's sort of march is to unite the kingdom to tighten up the rules on immigration and to empower the working class people to feel like they're kind of being neglected.
00:51:52.000 Well that makes sense, you know, that makes sense.
00:51:54.000 You know, I agree with that Steve.
00:51:56.000 Yeah.
00:51:56.000 Because I love immigrant people come here, but they don't do anything.
00:51:59.000 Yeah, they just get like pregnant, I was full child, uh, what's it called?
00:52:03.000 The service of the colour.
00:52:04.000 Like income support.
00:52:05.000 Income support, yeah, exactly.
00:52:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:07.000 They just get money for free, and you got and you see people, hardworking people just struggle, struggle and don't get anything.
00:52:12.000 So they're and that that was the general consensus we got from speaking to the United Kingdom, like, is it's working class people that feel like there's limited resources in this country and they're not really being looked after.
00:52:23.000 It seems to me like it's very polarising views, and maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, you know?
00:52:28.000 Yeah.
00:52:29.000 Maybe it's to sort of cause division, I don't know.
00:52:32.000 Yeah, but I don't think it's nothing to do with this.
00:52:34.000 You don't think so?
00:52:35.000 No, that's interesting.
00:52:36.000 Yeah, you change my point of view, you know.
00:52:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:38.000 Yeah, okay.
00:52:39.000 Well that's that's pretty cool.
00:52:40.000 Yeah, thanks, mate.
00:52:42.000 Charlie Kirk said everyone's got to be heard, and then he spouted hatred all over the all over the place.
00:52:48.000 In fact, his last words were about gun crime.
00:52:52.000 And uh, you know, he died, but he he he didn't think it was gonna happen to him.
00:52:57.000 Now the whole of uh NAGA are going, whoa, you kill one of our own.
00:53:01.000 Actually, it was one of their own that killed one of our own.
00:53:04.000 You know?
00:53:05.000 Uh with actually getting us back into Europe because uh no one else is apart from the the Liberal Party.
00:53:11.000 Um and loads of uh the Labour members and old Labour uh members would want us to go back into Europe.
00:53:21.000 Yeah, yeah, I think you're doing I think you're doing good, just trying to carry on doing what you do.
00:53:24.000 I've since there is some clips, you're really confident.
00:53:27.000 Doing alright.
00:53:29.000 Going up to him, pressing triangle, pressing circle.
00:53:34.000 Most of the people we spoke to, if they heard what these lot think they are, they wouldn't like it.
00:53:38.000 Like that, matey, that Dennis Penis.
00:53:43.000 Yeah.
00:53:45.000 It kind of feels like the media narrative, like Islamophobic, right wing extremists and all that.
00:53:52.000 I didn't see a lot of that when I was over there.
00:53:54.000 I don't know about you, I thought uh just working class people, innit?
00:53:57.000 That feel like they're not being looked after.
00:54:00.000 And I think that's what it comes down to, limited resources and people feeling like they're misrepresented.
00:54:05.000 Alright, lads.
00:54:06.000 We need to get to the space to get our press pass.
00:54:10.000 Yeah.
00:54:11.000 You're gonna have to go back.
00:54:12.000 We can't just like unite the kingdom.
00:54:18.000 And stand up for racism.
00:54:21.000 It looks like our meeting in this epic centre of action.
00:54:28.000 Now, now, now, one!
00:54:30.000 We are the people!
00:54:32.000 We won't be silent!
00:54:34.000 Smash the fascists now now!
00:54:36.000 Do you want to have a little chat of us?
00:54:38.000 Stay free media.
00:54:40.000 Who reckon's the best one to talk to here?
00:54:43.000 I don't even want to talk to us.
00:54:46.000 What would you say United Kingdom represents to you?
00:54:52.000 It's kind of hard, isn't it?
00:54:53.000 Hey, getting on there, guys.
00:54:54.000 Do you want to talk to us from Stay Free Media?
00:54:56.000 Independent news channel.
00:54:57.000 Thank you though.
00:54:58.000 You having a good time?
00:55:00.000 I said I'll be alright.
00:55:01.000 Talk to us from Stay Free Media.
00:55:04.000 Just trying to get the vibe of what's going on.
00:55:05.000 Cast from March so far.
00:55:09.000 First, we're from Stay Free Media.
00:55:11.000 Russell Brown's YouTube channel.
00:55:12.000 Oh, okay, absolutely not.
00:55:13.000 How are you getting on?
00:55:14.000 You enjoying the march?
00:55:15.000 Oh man, it's all love.
00:55:17.000 We're in the name of the Lord.
00:55:18.000 How's it going, uh loving one talk to us?
00:55:20.000 We're from Stay Free Media, Independent Media Channel.
00:55:23.000 Here we are at Trafalgar Square with uh stand up to racism.
00:55:27.000 No one really wants to talk to us by the look of things, it's pretty tough.
00:55:30.000 A lot of dead air.
00:55:31.000 I mean most people like it when they see a camera and a microphone, they want a bit of it, but these ain't having none of it.
00:55:42.000 This Amazon delivery.
00:55:44.000 Oh no, no one's in.
00:55:45.000 What do you want to say to the people?
00:55:47.000 Um if you side with the far right, you're siding with people who don't care about you.
00:55:51.000 Alright.
00:55:51.000 The left is about giving rights to minorities, the right is trying to take them away.
00:55:55.000 We have been round the soup again.
00:55:56.000 We are in the conditions that Mussolini had hit that took power in the 1930s.
00:55:59.000 Let's not let history repeat itself.
00:56:01.000 Stay with the left.
00:56:02.000 So what's the solution?
00:56:03.000 Where do we go from here?
00:56:04.000 How do we bring people together?
00:56:05.000 We need to make sure that the left is represented in parliament in terms of pro-establishment parties.
00:56:10.000 And we also need marches like this.
00:56:12.000 Spread awareness and make it clear that we will not tolerate anything.
00:56:15.000 We will not tolerate apartheid, we will not tolerate genocide, we will not tolerate poverty, we will not tolerate racism, we will not tolerate misogyny, transphobia, homophobia.
00:56:23.000 We are a coalition of the oppressed.
00:56:26.000 And everyone deserves a voice.
00:56:27.000 I mean, we need to be able to sit down, we need to be able to talk, and we need to be able to build a future built on love and compassion.
00:56:33.000 Everyone here wants a better country.
00:56:35.000 We just need to make it clear how that is happening.
00:56:38.000 Getting rid of migrants, you have to ask yourself who's going to be next.
00:56:41.000 What would you say to Unite the Kingdom?
00:56:43.000 Do not participate in the far right rallies.
00:56:45.000 What do you think of Keystarmer?
00:56:47.000 Uh I think he's a monster.
00:56:48.000 I think he's complicit in genocide.
00:56:49.000 I think he's an enemy of civil rights, and he's a complete treacher to the left.
00:56:53.000 It's interesting because a lot of people on the United Kingdom have the same view on that.
00:56:57.000 So that's one thing that both sides agree on.
00:56:59.000 We found a threat.
00:57:00.000 We found it, we found the niche for like this is going today.
00:57:04.000 Yeah, I I'm actually a little disappointed.
00:57:06.000 I was hoping for more people actually on this side of the side of it here.
00:57:11.000 Would you say that United Kingdom is a far right movement?
00:57:15.000 No.
00:57:16.000 I wouldn't.
00:57:18.000 This is what we've sort of gathered.
00:57:20.000 It seems to me the truth somewhere in the middle in the grey area.
00:57:23.000 How do we bring people together to talk?
00:57:26.000 I don't know.
00:57:27.000 That's the problem, isn't it?
00:57:29.000 How do you?
00:57:31.000 There's been a uh a narrative to divide.
00:57:37.000 Because it's is actually other classes that are the real issue.
00:57:42.000 Amen.
00:57:43.000 And they're trying to divide it up.
00:57:46.000 Take the take the eye off the narrative.
00:57:49.000 We need to bring people together, start a movement.
00:57:51.000 People against the establishment.
00:57:53.000 Alright there, guys, we're from Stay Free Media, Independent Media Channel.
00:57:56.000 Do you want to have a little chat of us?
00:57:57.000 No, thank you.
00:57:58.000 No?
00:57:58.000 No, thank you.
00:57:59.000 Have a lovely day, though, Chabs.
00:58:02.000 Have a lovely day though, Chabs.
00:58:03.000 Off your fuck.
00:58:04.000 There you go.
00:58:05.000 Off your fuck.
00:58:06.000 Fred, love not hate.
00:58:07.000 That is a beautiful message, and that's what we're all about.
00:58:09.000 We are men of God.
00:58:10.000 What would you like to say to the people?
00:58:13.000 This is a real time for unity.
00:58:15.000 I don't want to see any more violence.
00:58:17.000 And I think that it's important that we continue dialogue.
00:58:21.000 Oh men, beautiful message.
00:58:22.000 Thanks very much.
00:58:23.000 What made you think that we're from the opposing side?
00:58:28.000 It's a smell.
00:58:29.000 Oh wow.
00:58:30.000 It's the cigars.
00:58:30.000 It's the cigars.
00:58:31.000 Too many cigars.
00:58:33.000 Fascists!
00:58:34.000 Anti-fascist!
00:58:37.000 Anti-fascist!
00:58:42.000 Uh Tommy Robinson is a very red face.
00:58:46.000 And he looks like a nonce and a Pedon here's Timothy Racket.
00:58:50.000 What is it you don't like about him?
00:58:51.000 having his physical appearance.
00:58:53.000 That he hangs around with nonces and paedophiles, would be the main thing, and that he stays on social unrest in the country.
00:58:59.000 I'd say it's the main thing.
00:59:00.000 The fact that they divide us, rather unites of the country, which does the main thing to me.
00:59:05.000 What's your message, Keir Starmer?
00:59:07.000 What politicians?
00:59:08.000 Politicians.
00:59:09.000 A good step in the right direction would be this lot, recognising that desperate, they've got more in common with a desperate Somalian than Tommy fucking Robinson or Nigel fucking Farage.
00:59:19.000 How many holidays, foreign holidays?
00:59:23.000 I couldn't tell ya.
00:59:24.000 It's more than I have.
00:59:26.000 I will ask you though, why the masks?
00:59:28.000 Because of threats, isn't it?
00:59:30.000 In what sense?
00:59:31.000 Well, like er, there's people there, people off that side have been throwing bottles, been doing gun signs against against us.
00:59:37.000 So that's a threat, if you see what I mean.
00:59:39.000 No one here is threatening anyone individually.
00:59:41.000 I understand.
00:59:42.000 Do you see what I mean?
00:59:42.000 You feel safe?
00:59:44.000 I feel safe.
00:59:44.000 Yeah.
00:59:45.000 I mean, but well, that's the difference to me.
00:59:47.000 Is erm.
00:59:48.000 No one here has got a personal problem with anyone on that side.
00:59:51.000 Right.
00:59:51.000 It's the ideology.
00:59:53.000 What Tommy Robinson stands for.
00:59:55.000 And the way he's in.
00:59:57.000 He's in the hands of Nigel Farage in fucking.
00:59:59.000 He's like, he's not a little man from the streets and from Lumen, is he?
01:00:03.000 He's uh he's a very clever man.
01:00:04.000 He's managed to get where he is.
01:00:07.000 And he's got a following.
01:00:09.000 Do you see anyone ideologising any particular person on this?
01:00:12.000 On this side.
01:00:15.000 It seems a bit more peaceful over here.
01:00:17.000 Oh, that's a relief.
01:00:18.000 So what we got here is Unite the Kingdom this side, who we spoke to when we got here, really.
01:00:23.000 We've been on the other side, which is stand up to racism.
01:00:27.000 And it felt kind of hostile over there, I'm not gonna lie.
01:00:30.000 I feel safer on this side.
01:00:32.000 There's not well, there's no one's wearing a mask over here, are they?
01:00:35.000 Whereas over there, there was a lot of mass figures, uh, and a lot of hostility.
01:00:40.000 It seems charged.
01:00:41.000 I will say that.
01:00:42.000 All right, the schools, the children, everybody in this country, our ancestors fought for every piece of swords you stand on, and it's time to fucking ruin it.
01:00:54.000 You pay for them, you take them back.
01:00:58.000 Jesus walls, our ancestors praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ.
01:01:04.000 Through this, we didn't fight for this!
01:01:08.000 There he is.
01:01:10.000 Here we are, Lynn, we're on the front line, it's clashing down here.
01:01:13.000 Man of peace, man of God.
01:01:15.000 Hey, who's me?
01:01:17.000 Who's me?
01:01:17.000 He's on the wrong side, fuck him off over there.
01:01:20.000 Good boy!
01:01:22.000 I ain't fucking doing nothing!
01:01:38.000 Let's peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace.
01:01:42.000 Come on, lads!
01:01:45.000 Come on, you left.
01:01:46.000 Let's keep it calm, boys.
01:01:48.000 It's been a serious divide along here, but this seems to be a little point where both sides stay free media, Russell Brown.
01:01:54.000 Stay free media For Palestine What do we think of the lefties?
01:01:57.000 We can't stand the lefties And they're on the lefty side What?
01:02:00.000 We're returning to Stay free media, Russell Brown.
01:02:04.000 Fuck Palestine, not a likes them!
01:02:09.000 So what do we feel the police right now?
01:02:11.000 A bunch of arseholes!
01:02:12.000 Well, they're trying to keep a divide.
01:02:13.000 I think they're just trying to keep the peace.
01:02:15.000 But they're still acting like they're on the lefty side.
01:02:17.000 They're pushing us but not pushing theirs.
01:02:19.000 Have you noticed that?
01:02:20.000 Why is it always us?
01:02:22.000 Always us, so you always come.
01:02:23.000 Which is what we mean when we're talking about two-tier policing?
01:02:26.000 Yeah.
01:02:26.000 We've tried to make this a peaceful protest, but no, the police are all for them and against us.
01:02:32.000 Hey, what's going on?
01:02:34.000 I'm in Vincenzoa Dime!
01:02:39.000 I know I am a warrior in Vincenzoa Dime!
01:02:42.000 I'm in Vincenzoa Dime!
01:02:45.000 I'm in Vincenzoa Dime!
01:02:48.000 I know I am, I sure I am, I'm making a sale on the line!
01:02:52.000 We need any more clashes.
01:02:56.000 Wait, there was bottles being front of us.
01:02:58.000 Ah no, I know.
01:03:01.000 We're getting out of here, Willie.
01:03:02.000 look?
01:03:03.000 I don't know, mate.
01:03:04.000 The thing is, everyone in the side, no one's wearing masks.
01:03:06.000 It was all about peace and whatnot, but the other side seemed to be antagonizing a little bit of crowd violence, in my opinion.
01:03:13.000 And look, these are working class ads.
01:03:15.000 If you give it, you're gonna get it.
01:03:18.000 I thought it was quite a good atmosphere for the most part.
01:03:20.000 Carnival vibes, people coming together seemed alright.
01:03:23.000 Towards the end there, a little bit more charged, like two polarizing groups kind of clashing.
01:03:30.000 Do you know what I mean?
01:03:31.000 Um I think there's misrepresentation through the media about United Kingdom.
01:03:38.000 It seems to me that like stand up against racism, that's a strong message.
01:03:41.000 And I think everyone agrees with that.
01:03:42.000 I think everyone on United Kingdom agrees with that, you know.
01:03:45.000 So something's getting lost in translation there.
01:03:50.000 But the common view from both sides is Keystar's awanka.
01:03:57.000 Joe, you've done a fantastic job there, also.
01:03:59.000 Liam Sullivan, great work with directing it and cutting it together.
01:04:02.000 That's excellent, mate.
01:04:03.000 Tell us what you uh mostly took from that day, Joe.
01:04:07.000 Um, mostly, I'll tell you what, this was the interesting thing, right?
01:04:11.000 From both sides not having this government, neither sides are having the government.
01:04:17.000 So that's saying that could be agreed on potentially, although no one on the left seemed to want to talk to us at all.
01:04:23.000 So to find even common ground where people can talk is gonna be difficult.
01:04:28.000 Um but I found everyone on the Unite the Kingdom side had a real sense of national pride, and it was actually quite beautiful to be a part of it.
01:04:38.000 I I really enjoyed being amongst it, it was all good spirits, and a lot of there was a lot of shouts for you know, Christ is king and bringing you know the Christian values of the country and all that sort of stuff.
01:04:48.000 I thought that was pretty beautiful too.
01:04:51.000 So yeah, look, it was nice, man.
01:04:53.000 And it feels like this is just the beginning of something to me.
01:04:57.000 Yeah, I think you're right about that.
01:04:58.000 I think it's gonna have incredible consequences.