Stay Free - Russel Brand - RFK Jr (Fauci, CIA Secrets & Running For President)

00:00:00.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:00:01.000 Thanks for joining me for a very special show.

00:00:04.000 I'm being joined by presidential candidate, renowned environmental advocate and lawyer, founder of the Waterkeeper Alliance and Children's Health Defence, and you know, as I've already said, 2024 Democratic presidential candidate, running on some interesting ideas.

00:00:20.000 Listen to this before we meet Robert Kennedy.

00:00:23.000 Listen to this.

00:00:24.000 Bring the troops home, spend money on US infrastructure, heal the cultural divide rather than using the cultural war

00:00:29.000 to polarize the country, dismantle surveillance, pardon Assange and Snowden,

00:00:34.000 investigate and maybe even disband the CIA, and I guess we're going to have a pretty intensive reckoning

00:00:41.000 over events of the last couple of years.

00:00:43.000 I'm of course being joined by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Thanks for joining us, sir.

00:00:48.000 Father's first instinct, which was a good instinct, turns out, was that the CIA was 1.00

00:00:52.000 a piece of shit. I was almost 10 years old when my uncle was killed and I was standing in the 1.00

00:00:57.000 White House, in the foyer of the White House, with my aunt Jackie Kennedy and my mother and my father.

00:01:03.000 My uncle's body was in the East Room.

00:01:06.000 I, at that point, like many Americans, was asking questions, because this didn't look right.

00:01:11.000 How can you speak out openly against these kind of interests, let alone try and mobilize a political movement and stand against them without serious fear of, well, assassination?

00:01:22.000 It wasn't just Fauci, it was the whole US intelligence military apparatus that was basically... Simply not possible for you to answer that question on YouTube.

00:01:30.000 They were bragging that they could kill everybody, basically everybody in the world for 29 cents a person.

00:01:37.000 What you're saying, Robert, even leaves many hardened conspiracy theorists quivering like Boy Scouts.

00:01:45.000 None of this is stuff that we should be doing.

00:01:48.000 Quite bloody terrifying.

00:01:50.000 This is a war where Ukraine has been made a victim, not just by Russia, but by the United States government.

00:01:57.000 We have to just say, wait a minute, we've got to stop fighting each other, and we've got to go after the people who have their jackboot on our head.

00:02:05.000 It's time.

00:02:08.000 Thank you so much for having me and for all of your advocacy for the past three years.

00:02:14.000 Thank you.

00:02:14.000 Which has, you know, kept me laughing and it's been probably the smartest commentary on what's happening in our country of anybody else on the media.

00:02:25.000 So thank you, Russell.

00:02:26.000 It's a great honour to have you on.

00:02:28.000 The reason I want to speak to you, obviously, is because we continually critique establishment power.

00:02:34.000 We continually address the anti-democratic relationships between corporations, the military-industrial complex and democracy.

00:02:43.000 People in Congress owning stocks and shares in companies that they're supposed to regulate.

00:02:48.000 The historic corruption of American politics.

00:02:52.000 The theories and conspiracy theories around the assassination of members of your own family, with respect for even raising it.

00:03:00.000 We will discuss all of this.

00:03:02.000 The first 15 minutes of this conversation will be available on YouTube.

00:03:05.000 Then, due to the nature of modern media to speak, Openly with Robert, we will only be able to bring you this conversation on Rumble.

00:03:14.000 There's a link in the description.

00:03:15.000 Join us there if you want to see Robert's responses to the questions I'm going to ask about the pandemic period.

00:03:21.000 I'm obviously going to be speaking to him about his number one best-selling book about Anthony Fauci.

00:03:26.000 I'm going to be talking about the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy.

00:03:31.000 Once again, with respect, because it's obviously family members to Robert.

00:03:35.000 But we'll start with this simple question.

00:03:39.000 Why do you think that Joe Biden is unwilling to engage in debate even though he is not required to for this part of the political process?

00:03:51.000 Why is he unwilling, Robert?

00:03:54.000 I assume they made a calculation that the debate is not going to be helpful.

00:04:00.000 To the president and that he is a strong enough position now politically that he is strong enough in the polls that he can win.

00:04:07.000 And, you know, the way that the setup of the Democratic Party at the convention, the way the nomination happens, the super delegates are very, very influential and he'll get 100% of those.

00:04:19.000 So I think he's confident at this point, or his handlers are confident.

00:04:25.000 That he can win the nomination without debating me and that the debate can do nothing except for put him in jeopardy.

00:04:34.000 So I assume that's it, although I'm not really looking into it.

00:04:37.000 I can't really look into his head.

00:04:40.000 Uh, given that you yourself are part of the most famous political dynasty in American politics, my assumption is you understand the nature of the relationships between the deep state And the temporal administrations that occupy power in American politics, the significant influence that donations have on policy, the insidious nature of the industry of lobbying, and of course, even the potential consequences of being outspoken.

00:05:15.000 My assumption, Robert, is that you must appreciate that if you are going to stand for candidacy of the Democrat Party, that you are going to be subject to an Onslaught of smears and attacks because you are speaking out against the interests of, as far as I can understand, the most powerful elite establishment interests that there are.

00:05:38.000 How are you prepared for that?

00:05:39.000 How do you envisage that you will get your message across and what kind of attacks do you imagine might take place?

00:05:50.000 And don't get frightened.

00:05:54.000 I, you know, I'm already under an onslaught of attack and I have been for many years.

00:05:59.000 I don't mind the attacks.

00:06:01.000 The censorship is frustrating because you can't really reply or respond to the attacks.

00:06:07.000 But, you know, we've developed over the past three years during the pandemic A number of ways of talking to people that can end run essentially the mainstream media.

00:06:18.000 So I'm going to take a beating in the mainstream media, but I think through podcasts like this and other ones, I think the nature of media is changing and we've also developed a lot of techniques for working around the media.

00:06:32.000 You know, even Twitter allows us to talk to a larger audience than any CNN show has.

00:06:40.000 And so, you know, it's going to be interesting.

00:06:44.000 I expect attacks.

00:06:47.000 If you ask personally how I deal with it, I feel like I have to stay in kind of a spiritual place and come and everything I do has to come from that place.

00:07:03.000 And if I do that, if I manage to be able to stay and maintain that connection, that everything durable or enduring or important I do will come from that place and that I'm kind of invulnerable there.

00:07:20.000 And the only thing that is going to hurt me is if I leave that place and start doing things that are self-interested and self-serving and etc.

00:07:31.000 Oh man, right, I knew it.

00:07:33.000 There is a relationship between a deep spiritual connection and feeling safe in this world.

00:07:38.000 Myself, if I may call you Bobby, I vacillate between service and knowing that there are greater ideals that we must appeal to, that there is real hope for the world, and then sometimes sort of collapse like a souffle made of vanity into self-centeredness and

00:07:55.000 ego and my own wants. What practices do you have to sustain that? And also

00:08:01.000 for you, I feel like that you must have been exposed across your lifetime

00:08:05.000 through your family history, through the access that you have, to the real potency

00:08:12.000 of the threat that you face. I get frightened because I know like you know

00:08:15.000 that if you speak out you'll be attacked by the media. Who knows how far those

00:08:19.000 kind of attacks could go.

00:08:21.000 What consequences?

00:08:22.000 You know, sometimes that gets me and it really tests my faith.

00:08:25.000 It tests my spirit.

00:08:26.000 So I'm heartened to hear you say that, but also astonished that it is effective when you know what the consequences of speaking out against entrenched power could be.

00:08:43.000 Well, you know what?

00:08:43.000 I, Russell, I look back and say, I mean, I was raised in this kind of milieu where we were constantly talking about the, you know, my father was a military historian.

00:08:53.000 He would come home every night and tell us about the battles that changed history.

00:08:57.000 We were taught, my grandmother, my father, Took us on tours, and my Uncle Teddy, after they died, took us on tours of all the Civil War battlefields.

00:09:07.000 We grew up touring the Revolutionary War battlefields and walking the Freedom Trail in Boston and, you know, memorizing poems about Paul Revere and all of the kind of You know, heroic Victorian ballads, you know, from Rudyard Kipling and Alfred Lord Tennyson and all of those.

00:09:25.000 And we recognize that there was a generation of Americans in 1776 who put their lives on the line, who put their property, who put their reputations on the line, their fortunes, in order to give us the constitutional rights that we have

00:09:42.000 today.

00:09:43.000 And they all said if the subsequent generations weren't willing to make similar sacrifices,

00:09:50.000 that those generations would lose those constitutional rights.

00:09:54.000 And I watched during the pandemic really in shock, all of the Bill of Rights, with the 0.98

00:10:00.000 exception of the Second Amendment, being assaulted.

00:10:04.000 I saw it. First they came after freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

00:10:08.000 They began censoring me openly and many, many other people, just doctors.

00:10:12.000 I don't think we're going to be able to stay on YouTube for very much longer because I

00:10:16.000 just feel that your tendency is towards...

00:10:19.000 Free speech and potentially antithetical to the WHO guidelines.

00:10:19.000 Yes.

00:10:25.000 So I'm going to say, let's move over onto Rumble now, because before we go, this is the question that I want you to answer.

00:10:33.000 You've already said that you feel that the CIA Murdered your uncle, John F. Kennedy.

00:10:43.000 Would some of us feel like, was JFK the hero that we believe him to be in the culture?

00:10:49.000 Or was he part of the system?

00:10:51.000 How can anybody get into the position of the President without being co-opted by the very forces you describe?

00:10:59.000 The malign intentions that you have outlined in your previous answer.

00:11:04.000 How can you get into that position?

00:11:06.000 And if indeed you maintain that, you know, your father, and of course I expect that you will claim that your father and your uncle were legitimate, virtuous, flawed, but good, principled men, then you must presumably believe that the reason that they lost their lives is connected to those values and principles, and it's simply not possible for you to answer that question on YouTube.

00:11:29.000 I also want to, I also recognize that you are going after, as far as I can see, the 0.69

00:11:34.000 most significant opponents of freedom.

00:11:37.000 The military-industrial complex, the big pharmaceutical industry and the incredible power they're

00:11:44.000 able to exert over mainstream politics, and the control over the mainstream media.

00:11:49.000 And I think if you're going to attack those kind of interests, you cannot do it on a WHO-regulated

00:11:55.000 site like YouTube.

00:11:56.000 So click on the link in the description.

00:11:58.000 Join us now on Rumble where Robert will respond to some of the questions, just some of those questions as well.

00:12:05.000 And if you're watching this on Locals right now, post your questions in the chat.

00:12:08.000 I'll be asking Robert some of those questions as well.

00:12:11.000 So Robert, what do you feel about that sort of rather broad and potentially incendiary and I hope not offensive question I was asking about the family members who most of us believe were murdered by the CIA?

00:12:21.000 Yeah, I mean my uncle, you know, came into office.

00:12:26.000 He had been a military, you know, he had been a skipper of a big depot during World War II.

00:12:32.000 He had the, kind of the enlisted man's scout, although, you know, he was a low-level officer.

00:12:38.000 He had the enlisted, but he had a kind of an independence.

00:12:41.000 He had his own ship that, you know, and was destroyed by Japanese destroyer, but he had the enlisted man's skepticism

00:12:51.000 of the upper brass. And when he came into office, he already, these guys who were, you know,

00:12:56.000 were running the Joint Chiefs at that time, Lemitzer, Louis Lemitzer, and the other ones, were people

00:13:07.000 who we knew, who we had known, whose names he knew as an enlisted man, and who many people

00:13:13.000 respected, but he did, he was skeptical of them from the beginning. And he also

00:13:18.000 was very conscious of Eisenhower, three days before his inauguration, which I attended as a

00:13:24.000 little boy in Washington, Eisenhower gave one of the, what we now should regard as

00:13:29.000 probably the most important speech in American history on January 17th, which

00:13:34.000 was my birthday when I was six years old, warning Americans about the emergence of a military

00:13:39.000 industrial complex that would corrode and devour our democracy from within and without. The

00:13:46.000 institutions of our democracy, it would cause It would turn America into an imperium abroad and a security state at home. 0.59

00:13:56.000 And Eisenhower warned specifically also When he defined military industrial complex, he included the federal scientific technocracy.

00:14:08.000 It's a really fascinating speech in that way.

00:14:12.000 My uncle was very aware of that.

00:14:14.000 Two months in, he's surrounded by people.

00:14:17.000 Of course, Nixon had planned the Bay of Pigs.

00:14:21.000 And nobody knew about it.

00:14:22.000 They had, you know, almost 2,000 trained Cubans who intended to invade Cuba, but they waited.

00:14:30.000 The Eisenhower-Nixon administration had waited to dump that project on the Kennedy on the next administration. 0.81

00:14:38.000 And so he was then, my uncle was surrounded by an intelligence apparatus and military, his Joint Chiefs were saying, you got to go do this.

00:14:47.000 And my uncle said, wait a minute, why are we invading a sovereign nation, a little nation?

00:14:52.000 We're going to look like bullies to the world.

00:14:54.000 And you know, I don't want a Marxist country there, but that's their choice.

00:14:59.000 There's one floor that was Russians there.

00:15:01.000 So it was just a nation that had made a political choice in his view that we didn't like, but he also was very conscious of the abuses of the Batista administration that Castro had revolted against.

00:15:14.000 And he later said that, sent a note to Castro saying that.

00:15:18.000 Oh, they were saying, we're going to, you know, we're going to invade.

00:15:21.000 And Jack said, I don't want any US military involved.

00:15:26.000 They intended originally to use military amphibious vehicles in transport.

00:15:31.000 And Jack said, you're not going to use anything from the U.S.

00:15:33.000 government.

00:15:34.000 So the CIA then went to United Fruit.

00:15:38.000 And they provided the ships for the flotilla.

00:15:42.000 And of course, United Fruit had owned all the sugarcane in Cuba.

00:15:46.000 So it was, again, this kind of merger of state and corporate power that, you know, and Dulles had represented United Fruit as a lawyer for Sullivan Cromwell before he got the CIA job.

00:15:57.000 So it's all this kind of incestuous stuff that continues to infect and dictate policy at the CIA.

00:16:04.000 But they said, listen, and Jack said, are you sure this is going to work?

00:16:10.000 Are these guys just going to die there?

00:16:12.000 And they said, no, as soon as they land, we've done all the intelligence.

00:16:15.000 There's going to be a public uprising against Castro and he's going to, and the public will depose him.

00:16:22.000 And, you know, these guys are going to be heroes.

00:16:25.000 And Jack was very skeptical, didn't want to do it, but they said, we've trained these guys.

00:16:30.000 They're armed.

00:16:31.000 If you keep them here in Miami and Louisiana and Texas, It's going to be a nightmare.

00:16:36.000 You've got to let them do this.

00:16:38.000 But Jack let them go.

00:16:39.000 They get to the beach and all of his Joint Chiefs come to him with Alan Tullis and said, they're dying on the beach.

00:16:46.000 You've got to give them air cover.

00:16:47.000 And Jack said, no, I told you there was going to be no US military involvement.

00:16:52.000 And those guys, you know, some of them died on the beach, the rest were captured by cash.

00:16:58.000 You know, Jack came out of the meeting, that meeting, and he said to his aide, I want to take the CIA, shatter it into a thousand pieces, and scatter it to the winds.

00:17:08.000 And he fired Dulles, he fired Charlie Cabell, and he fired Richard Bissell, the three top guys in the CIA, and he brought in somebody, you know, John McComb, who he thought could run the agency, but the next Three years and a thousand days before his death were a constant battle with his military industrial complex.

00:17:29.000 And interestingly Russell, He realized in the middle of his presidency that Khrushchev was in the exact same position as he was.

00:17:39.000 Khrushchev also had fought in World War II, had been at the Battle of Stalingrad, had seen the horror of war, did not want to go to war.

00:17:48.000 But he was surrounded by military hawks and intelligence apparatus.

00:17:53.000 That did want to go to war. 0.66

00:17:54.000 And my father got a letter one day, a private letter that was smuggled to him by a KGB spy and a GRU spy called Georgie Bolshekoi.

00:18:06.000 And Georgie Bolshekoi was a guy who came to our house all the time.

00:18:10.000 We loved him.

00:18:11.000 We knew he was, this was when James Bond movies were coming out.

00:18:14.000 And you know, me and my, at that time there were eight or nine or ten of us siblings.

00:18:21.000 We all knew, you know, we knew about what a spy was, and we were very excited that this guy was actually a KGB spy, and he was very entertaining.

00:18:29.000 He could do that, you know, Russian Cossack dancing, and he would do, uh, he would do rope climbing contests with my father, and push-up contests, and he was, he was kind of a bon-homme, a really, uh, a fun guy, always laughing very loud, singing, all this stuff.

00:18:47.000 Oh, he became friends with my father and mother despite the anger at the State Department for letting a KGB guy into our house.

00:18:57.000 Roushev began smuggling private letters to my uncle through Oshkosh.

00:19:03.000 So he was trying to end run his military intelligence apparatus.

00:19:08.000 And my uncle began this correspondence.

00:19:11.000 26 letters they wrote to each other.

00:19:14.000 And they installed hotlines so they could talk to each other directly without talking to their apparatus.

00:19:21.000 So in my brother's home, which used to be the Summer White House on Hyannisport, There's still wires sticking out of the wall.

00:19:30.000 That was the red phone that we all knew when we were kids, that if we picked that up, Khrushchev would answer on the other line.

00:19:39.000 And my uncle wanted to talk to him directly because he did not trust his intelligence agencies.

00:19:45.000 And his intelligence agencies tried to get him to go into Laos.

00:19:50.000 They said, you know, the communists would be a domino effect, and he refused, and he settled the Laotian War.

00:19:55.000 They tried to get him to go into Vietnam to send combat troops, 250,000 combat troops, and it wasn't just The salad brass, as he called them, the top brass with all the salad on their uniforms, what he used to call them.

00:20:11.000 It was the, you know, it was people he trusted like Maxwell Taylor and April Harriman and Dean Acheson and all these people who were kind of the gray beards and they were all telling me, you gotta send 250,000 people in or the communists are going to take over Vietnam and then they're going to take over Cambodia and then it's going to be Los Angeles, you know, they're going to be at our door.

00:20:33.000 And my uncle was like, that's their war.

00:20:35.000 They gotta fight it.

00:20:36.000 We can help them a little, like the French helped us during the revolution, but we cannot fight their war for them. 0.97

00:20:43.000 And so, before he died, he ended up sending 16,000 military advisors to Vietnam.

00:20:55.000 That was fewer people, fewer troops than he sent.

00:21:00.000 Jackson, Mississippi to get one black man, James Meredith, into Ole Miss.

00:21:05.000 He sent more federal troops there than he sent to Vietnam.

00:21:10.000 The troops he sent were not combat troops.

00:21:12.000 They were military advisors, mainly Green Beret, and they were technically under the rules of engagement, not allowed to participate in combat.

00:21:18.000 He didn't want any combat troops.

00:21:20.000 A week before he went to Dallas, He heard that some of his troops had been killed over there, and he asked for a casualty list.

00:21:31.000 And his aide brought him a casualty list that 75 Americans had died in Vietnam.

00:21:36.000 And he said, that's too many.

00:21:38.000 I want them all home.

00:21:40.000 He signed that day a national security order, ordering all the troops out of Vietnam, all military advisors out of Vietnam by the end of 1965 with the first Allison on the next month.

00:21:51.000 This is the end of November.

00:21:52.000 He wanted the first Allison shipped home by the end of December.

00:21:56.000 They shocked the military.

00:21:58.000 And then he went to Dallas and he was killed.

00:22:01.000 But, you know, my uncle used to say, Ben Bradley, his best friend, asked him, what do you want on your gravestone?

00:22:09.000 And he said, he kept the peace.

00:22:13.000 He said, the primary job of a president of the United States is to keep our country out of war.

00:22:18.000 That is the primary job.

00:22:20.000 And he succeeded in doing that.

00:22:23.000 But no president since him has.

00:22:27.000 Wow.

00:22:28.000 Bobby, how can you say, though, that it's beyond reasonable doubt that it was the CIA, just because he sacked some high-ups, because he was gonna dismantle it, or at least he had an intention to, because he was at odds with the military-industrial complex?

00:22:43.000 And if that is True.

00:22:46.000 Do you suspect in other high-profile assassinations there's a comparable structure behind it, including obviously the assassination of your father?

00:22:57.000 And also that if this is, you know, 70 years ago or whatever, how How entrenched are those deep state interests now with the current conflicts, with comparable motivations?

00:23:20.000 When you have access to this kind of personal information, Do not feel that this is an indefatigable enemy, that this is an unstoppable machine.

00:23:28.000 I mean, like, in this country, when, like, Jeremy Corbyn, like, you know, got a little bit of traction, like, the media just shut that dude down.

00:23:35.000 I mean, he couldn't get arrested.

00:23:37.000 Like, so, like, how can you talk out, speak out openly against these kind of interests, let alone try and mobilize a political movement and stand against them without serious fear of, you know, well, assassination?

00:23:52.000 Well, let me answer the first question.

00:23:56.000 Your first question was, you know, why do I say that the case against the CIA in terms of the assassination of my uncle is beyond a reasonable doubt?

00:24:09.000 The answer to that would take us a 10-hour podcast to even summarize, because the amount of information is so voluminous at this point.

00:24:18.000 There are more than a million documents.

00:24:22.000 Including all the documents that show that Lee Harvey Oswald, that they recently released, you know, which we already knew, but it came as a shock to the United States because the president never reports it.

00:24:34.000 Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.

00:24:37.000 You know, Americans didn't know that.

00:24:39.000 Certainly the Warren Commission didn't know that, and Dulles made sure that they didn't know it.

00:24:44.000 He was recruited when he was at the Atasui Air Force Base in Japan.

00:24:49.000 He was a Marine Radar operator who was in charge of the U-2 flights and then he defected the Soviet Union.

00:24:58.000 It was a fake defection that was organized by James Jesus Angleton, who was the director of counterintelligence at the CIA.

00:25:06.000 And it was directed to uncover a mole at Langley.

00:25:10.000 They felt they knew they had a mole at Langley.

00:25:14.000 And that mold, incidentally, was never caught, but that mold did tremendous damage to U.S.

00:25:20.000 national interest.

00:25:22.000 And one of the things that mold did is it allowed, the CIA believed, the U-2 flights were CIA, they weren't Air Force, and the U-2, the CIA believed that when Khrushchev shot down one of the U-2s in 1960, I think May of 1960, right before the election.

00:25:47.000 The one where Gary Francis Powers was the pilot.

00:25:52.000 That U-2 flight was shot down.

00:25:55.000 The Russians were able to do that because of information that were passed on to the Russians by the mall.

00:26:01.000 So they got Lee Harvey Oswald's defect to do this very, very loud fake defection that was covered in all the papers then because it was a U.S.

00:26:10.000 Marine walking into the American Embassy and denouncing his citizenship and saying he wanted to be a citizen of Russia.

00:26:17.000 Oh, he does all that.

00:26:19.000 And then what they thought is when he did that, that the Russians would be very worried about who is this guy.

00:26:27.000 And they would send a message to their moles saying, get us his file. 0.99

00:26:31.000 And they had a trigger system on his file, so anybody who touched it, they'd know that that was the mole.

00:26:37.000 But nobody actually went in and touched it.

00:26:40.000 And so two years later, they brought him back.

00:26:42.000 And he, you know, in this weird situation where Lee Harvey Oswald goes back to the U.S.

00:26:48.000 Embassy, from which he's defected, and says, I want my passport back.

00:26:53.000 And they give it to him.

00:26:54.000 And he, can I borrow $600?

00:26:56.000 They gave it to him for an airplane ticket.

00:26:58.000 They sent him to Dallas.

00:27:00.000 Where he's picked up at the airport by George Morenshaw, who's a CIA asset, and then, you know, who gets him the job at the book depository, among many, many other things.

00:27:09.000 But we know everything about what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing at that period, and before and after.

00:27:17.000 We know his constant interactions with CIA handlers.

00:27:20.000 His CIA handler was a guy called David Atlee Phillips.

00:27:25.000 I've talked to Cuban assassins who Who saw Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas in November, oh no, in September, October of 1963 with Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:27:42.000 But Lee Harvey Oswald Then did this, you know, somebody did a fake defection of him to attempt a defection to Cuba, kind of.

00:27:51.000 We know so much about it, including confessions of many of the people who were involved in the assassination.

00:27:58.000 You know, deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt, for example, who then went on to mastermind the Watergate break-in, and many, many others.

00:28:11.000 So at this point, The evidence, and by the way Russell, if you ever or anybody who's listening to this want to read probably the best distillation, the best digest of all of this material, a guy who's completely in encyclopedic command of the material and is a really rigorous scholar.

00:28:34.000 Jim Douglas, and he wrote a book called The Unspeakable.

00:28:38.000 I think it's the best book written about this, although I've read probably 40 or 50, maybe 100 books about, you know, the assassination stuff now, because once I started looking into it, I was interested in it.

00:28:52.000 The evidence that the CIA killed my father is much less, is not that well documented, but it's highly circumstantial.

00:29:06.000 And I'll get to that in a second.

00:29:07.000 But I will tell you this one thing.

00:29:11.000 When I was when I was I guess I was almost 10 years old, my uncle was killed.

00:29:17.000 And I was standing in the White House in the in the foyer of the White House with my aunt Jackie Kennedy and my mother and my father.

00:29:26.000 My uncle's body was in the East Room and it was a time when we were waking him.

00:29:32.000 And Lyndon Johnson comes in and tells my parents that Lee Harvey Oswald's just been shot and killed.

00:29:41.000 And that the man who did it was a guy called Jack Ruby.

00:29:46.000 And I said to my mom, I turned to my mom at that time and said, did he love our family?

00:29:52.000 In other words, was Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald because he was upset, you know, about our family?

00:29:59.000 And so I, at that point, like many Americans, was asking questions because this didn't look right.

00:30:07.000 Lee Harvey Oswald was a gangster.

00:30:09.000 He did not like my family.

00:30:12.000 And I mean, Jack Ruby was a gangster who didn't like my family, who was, you know, my father.

00:30:17.000 My father's initial reaction when his brother was killed, the first call that he made was to the CIA desk officer in Langley.

00:30:26.000 And he said to him, did your people do this?

00:30:33.000 Then he called up, the next call was Harry Ruiz, who was a Cuban refugee who I knew well, who was a constant fixture in our household.

00:30:43.000 He had been at the Bay of Pigs, he had fought side by side with Castro and the Sierra Maestra, you know, after they all came back from Mexico. 0.97

00:30:51.000 He was an engineer, he had been very close to Castro, then turned on Castro when Castro went communist.

00:30:57.000 He was a very close friend of my father's.

00:31:00.000 And by the way, I've talked extensively with Castro about this, all this stuff too.

00:31:08.000 My father called Harry Ruiz and said to Harry Ruiz, did your people do this?

00:31:13.000 Meaning the Cubans. 0.66

00:31:15.000 Because the Cubans at that time had turned on my family and hated them and felt they were traitors because they had not rescued them at the beach.

00:31:23.000 And because they had ended the raids by Alpha 66 and the other groups that were raiding Cuba all the time.

00:31:31.000 So the Cubans were very angry at my parents, my father thought, and they were all linked with the CIA. 0.99

00:31:38.000 My father thought maybe that the CIA had done it, maybe using Cubans.

00:31:44.000 And then the third conversation he had that morning, I was, I had been brought home from Sidwell Friends School when my uncle was shot.

00:31:51.000 And I arrived at the same time John McComb arrived at my house.

00:31:55.000 Who was the director of the CIA at that time, and my father brought him for a walk in the yard and said the same thing to him.

00:32:02.000 Was it the CIA who did this to Jack?

00:32:06.000 So, you know, my father's first instinct, which was a good instinct, turns out, was that the CIA had killed his brother.

00:32:14.000 I didn't think that I would ever be the person to change the subject from evidence, albeit anecdotal, that the Kennedys were murdered by the CIA, but I have to do that because I want to talk to you about the pandemic.

00:32:31.000 Throughout this campaign your name will be prefixed with the term anti-vaxxer.

00:32:36.000 That's one of the ways that you'll be discredited and smeared.

00:32:40.000 But I would like you to share with us, if you can, a little about how you feel the pandemic Was used to assert control, profit the pharmaceutical industry, grant opportunity to regulate, introduce surveillance and measures that may otherwise have been resisted.

00:33:00.000 What does the pandemic period tell us about power?

00:33:05.000 And in the event that you became president, how would you address what's happened in the last couple of years?

00:33:14.000 Well, you know, I wrote a book about how the pandemic was misused and that it was not, you know, the public health response was not about public health.

00:33:27.000 It was about, it was a militarized and monetized response.

00:33:31.000 It was a pretense for clamping down totalitarian controls.

00:33:34.000 And the weird thing about the pandemic was this constant When Operation Warp Speed made its presentation to FDA, to the committee they call the VRBPAC committee at FDA, VRBPAC asked for the organizational charts which were classified up to that time, and when Warp Speed turned over the organizational charts

00:34:06.000 They shocked everybody because the top organization that had managed Warp Speed was not HHS, which is a public health agency.

00:34:15.000 It wasn't CDC or NIH or FDA.

00:34:19.000 It was the NSA, a spy agency.

00:34:22.000 That was the top agency, the lead agency on Operation Warp Speed and the pandemic, was the NSA.

00:34:33.000 And the second agency was the Pentagon.

00:34:36.000 And when you start looking at, you know, as it turns out, you know, the vaccines were developed not by Moderna and Pfizer.

00:34:43.000 They were developed by NIH.

00:34:45.000 They're their own.

00:34:46.000 The patents are on 50% by NIH.

00:34:49.000 Nor were they manufactured by Pfizer or by Moderna.

00:34:53.000 They were manufactured by military contractors.

00:34:56.000 And basically Pfizer and Moderna were paid to put their stamps on those vaccines as if they came from

00:35:04.000 the pharmaceutical industry. But, you know, that's not what they were doing. They were coming

00:35:08.000 from, you know, this was a military project from the beginning. And then you have, one of the

00:35:18.000 things I detail in my book is these simulations that I uncovered, about 20 different

00:35:26.000 simulations, coronavirus and pandemic simulations, that started in 2000, in the year, in 2001, the first one,

00:35:35.000 right before the anthrax attacks.

00:35:37.000 Thanks.

00:35:39.000 And then every year the CIA was doing these, and the CIA was sponsoring them all, and they were, the last one was Event 201, which was in October of 2019, and the participants in there are Avril Haines, who was the former Deputy Director of the CIA, who's been managing cover-ups her entire life.

00:35:59.000 She did the Guantanamo Bay and, you know, the, on the Senate, and she's right, she is now the Director, the DNI, Director of National Intelligence, Which makes her basically the highest ranking officer at the NSA, which managed the pandemic.

00:36:15.000 So you have a spy who is convening these pandemic simulations, and in each of these simulations, going back 20 years, they're not simulating a public health response.

00:36:30.000 They're not doing the kind of things, how do we stockpile vitamin D?

00:36:33.000 How do we get people outdoors, losing weight, doing exercise?

00:36:38.000 How do we develop an information grid to all the 15 million doctors, frontline physicians all over the world?

00:36:45.000 We're going to be encountering this disease so that we can get their information about what they're doing that works and what doesn't work and put together a model of, you know, okay, here are the drugs, the repurposed drugs that work, here are the treatments that work.

00:36:59.000 None of that happened.

00:37:00.000 We had an incredible opportunity for managing pandemic in a way that was intelligent and sensitive and devastating to the disease.

00:37:10.000 But we didn't do any of those things.

00:37:12.000 It was all about how you use the pandemic to clamp down censorship.

00:37:17.000 How do you use it to enforce the lockdowns, which, by the way, the lockdowns Every pandemic preparedness document that had been adopted by the major public health agencies, whether it was CDC, WHO, the European Health Agency, the National Health Services in Britain, all of them said you don't do lockdowns.

00:37:40.000 You quarantine the sick.

00:37:43.000 You protect the vulnerable.

00:37:46.000 And you let everybody else go back to work because the lockdowns actually amplify the impacts of the disease.

00:37:55.000 If you isolate people, it makes them more vulnerable.

00:37:57.000 It breaks down their immune system.

00:38:01.000 And if you lock them in a door, it's going to spread the respiratory virus.

00:38:05.000 And so all things they were doing, that they were drilling, were about clamping down totalitarian controls.

00:38:12.000 And if you look at that event 201, which is still on YouTube, you can still look it up and go to the fourth seminar that day.

00:38:19.000 It's broken into four parts.

00:38:21.000 And remember, the people who are here, who are they?

00:38:24.000 Evo Haynes, the CIA, now DNI, Director of National Intelligence, who was the CIA Deputy Director Former Bill Gates, you know, a lot of Tony Fauci's people, the pharmaceutical industries, the big media, Bloomberg, et cetera, all the social media companies.

00:38:45.000 And then somebody odd, who's George Gao, who's the director of the Chinese CDC.

00:38:50.000 So this is in October of 2019.

00:38:56.000 Nobody knows about coronavirus there, and yet they're drilling a coronavirus epidemic, a world global coronavirus epidemic.

00:39:05.000 Well, nobody's going to ever hear the word coronavirus.

00:39:07.000 The Chinese first acknowledged it on January 1st, so three months later.

00:39:12.000 We now know coronavirus was already circulating in Wuhan, and the Chinese knew about it at least by September 19th, so that's a month before that pandemic simulation. 0.66

00:39:23.000 George Gao is the Chinese head of the CDC and the Chinese expert on coronavirus, so clearly he must have known that coronavirus was circulating.

00:39:35.000 On September 19th, a month before that simulation, the Chinese military kicked down the door of the Wuhan lab.

00:39:43.000 Went in and took all of the genomic sequences off of the public-facing websites and started destroying all the links between the lab and the virus, and put a military general away in charge of the lab.

00:40:00.000 So they clearly knew that it had come from the lab and that it was already circulating.

00:40:05.000 And it circulated, Al, we know, down the subway line.

00:40:09.000 The subway line that leads to the airport from the lab to the airport.

00:40:14.000 So they knew it in October, and they had this simulation in New York.

00:40:19.000 And people there, some of those people must have known it was already circulating.

00:40:24.000 And what are they talking about?

00:40:25.000 The fourth simulation that day.

00:40:28.000 And you can go up on YouTube right now and look this up.

00:40:31.000 They talk about how do we stop people from saying that this came from a lab leak?

00:40:38.000 And the people who are leading that discussion are the CIA Director Avril Haines, Deputy Director, and George Gao from the Chinese CDC.

00:40:48.000 And Avril Haines says, essentially she's saying, George Gao's saying, we gotta censor the social media.

00:40:54.000 We gotta stop them from saying it's a lab leak.

00:40:56.000 Anybody who says that needs to be deplatformed.

00:40:59.000 This is six months before all this started happening.

00:41:04.000 And then Avril Haines says, Not only do we have to censor, but we need to flood the zone with authoritative voices who say, who dismiss the idea that this was a lab leak.

00:41:16.000 Oh, they were, you know, either they're incredible soothsayers, or they, you know, or there's something weird going on with this, that they were doing it.

00:41:25.000 And that is in the first one, they were doing this again and again, they did it six months earlier, the same thing, another coronavirus epidemic.

00:41:32.000 And they, and I detail all of these in my book, and every one of them the CIA wrote the script for.

00:41:38.000 Now, When Biden gets in there, or when, you know, at the beginning of the pandemic, Mike Pompeo, who's the Secretary of State, says, oh, you know, this looks like it may have come from Wuhan.

00:41:54.000 We should check this out.

00:41:57.000 Oh, he gets four different branches at State Department to do an investigation, a massive investigation about whether it's come from Wuhan.

00:42:04.000 If you read Catherine Even's article on Vanity Fair, she does an amazing job at this. 0.98

00:42:09.000 And she shows that intelligence officers came into one of those meetings later on this spring and said, we're shutting this whole thing down because the US government, which means Fauci, but also the CIA, was funding all of that So, Fauci funded about $26 million.

00:42:32.000 The CIA was the biggest funder through USAID, about $64 million, and then the Pentagon was the second biggest.

00:42:40.000 So, it wasn't just Fauci, it was the whole US intelligence military apparatus that was basically handing over cutting-edge military technology, bioweapons technology, to these Chinese scientists who were messing with it. 0.91

00:42:54.000 It's really a strange thing.

00:42:55.000 And then, so then you have an intelligence officer shutting down the investigation, which Katherine Eban documents.

00:43:04.000 But then Republicans in Congress, when Biden comes in, say, hey, you've got to investigate this.

00:43:10.000 You've got to figure out, because there's some mounting evidence that it came from the Wuhan lab.

00:43:14.000 So he says, OK, I'm going to do it.

00:43:17.000 He says, I'm going to get all 22 U.S.

00:43:19.000 intelligence agencies to get together and figure this out.

00:43:23.000 And he said, and come back to me in 90 days.

00:43:26.000 Who does he put in charge of it?

00:43:28.000 April Haynes.

00:43:30.000 So she signed, you know, then she comes with a thing that says, well, nobody knows.

00:43:34.000 We'll never know.

00:43:35.000 You know, she comes with this report in August of 2021.

00:43:40.000 Nobody knows.

00:43:41.000 We're never going to be able to find out.

00:43:42.000 The intelligence agencies say that we can't figure it out.

00:43:46.000 And so it doesn't, you know, it doesn't have good optics that the same person and, you know, and she continues to be the primary advisor to President Biden on these on, you know, on coronavirus.

00:44:02.000 What you're saying, Robert, is such a radical departure from the mainstream narrative and even leaves many hardened conspiracy theorists quivering like Boy Scouts when you say that it's not even of opportunism that there legitimately was a virus, that in good faith there was an attempt to curtail it and control it, When it was observed that these methods were not effective, they were not quick enough in responding, there were no clinical trials for the Pfizer vaccine around transmission, but they didn't broadcast that fact or were not explicit about that.

00:44:39.000 All of these kind of things that I suppose now seem like the sort of worker day layman's conspiracy theories are left in the dust when you say that this is something that the intelligence agencies and the military-industrial complex have been involved in since the get-go, that companies like Pfizer and Moderna merely facilitated the distribution and branding, that this has always been

00:45:05.000 A global operation that was designed to introduce draconian measures that would otherwise not have been introduced.

00:45:13.000 And saying something like this, if you cannot prove that isn't it going to discredit The necessary, and I know you've written a massive and very successful book on it, but like, you know, like, that book's, that's hard going, that book, Robert.

00:45:27.000 I mean, Jesus Christ, it's hard enough to read it, let alone bloody write the thing.

00:45:30.000 Like, like, like, like, how, like, because I feel like that you are exactly what's necessary, and I feel like mad, crazy shit can happen in politics, because Trump, you know, like, and I feel like that what you need is an anti-establishment figure, and yet from your history, you know, you know where the wires are for the Khrushchev bat phone, The Cossack dancing spy in the front room. 0.91

00:45:53.000 Your personal history is so sort of like this absurd American version of The Crown.

00:45:59.000 It's so incredible to hear.

00:46:02.000 But I actually feel that you are what is required.

00:46:07.000 But that is so hardcore and extreme.

00:46:11.000 I know our Rumble audience, this lot, they'll bloody well love it.

00:46:14.000 They've been dragging me along out of the mainstream.

00:46:14.000 They'll be well into it.

00:46:17.000 I could have been in movies till about six weeks ago, but this lot got me in all sorts of crap, right?

00:46:22.000 So, like, what I feel like is, are these the ideas and issues and the framing that you're going to be going into, like, presi- not presidential debates, we know Joe Biden won't have them, but, like, going into this campaign with?

00:46:36.000 And what kind of onslaught are you gonna get from, like, you know, from the corralled forces of the establishment?

00:46:43.000 And then after this, we'll move on to you know, the war in Ukraine. What are you gonna, I mean,

00:46:48.000 God knows where you're gonna go with that.

00:46:49.000 Let me answer, I only get to your first question on each one of these things, but

00:46:53.000 let me just answer that and it's gonna kind of brand me as a worst conspiracy theorist.

00:46:58.000 But, you know, all the things that I'm saying are documented.

00:47:04.000 There are things that I don't know and there are, you know, there are dots that need to be connected, but I don't try to connect them.

00:47:11.000 I just say, here's what we know, here's what we can prove.

00:47:14.000 So I'm just finishing now this book on the Wuhan lab.

00:47:19.000 And I, you know, I had to kind of put together this history, which was fascinating because You know, why was the CIA so involved with gain-of-function and so obsessed with it?

00:47:30.000 And I went back and kind of traced this history, which is the CIA was created in 1947, and the first task that it was given was Operation Paperclip, which had already been ongoing.

00:47:44.000 The Joint Chiefs were already bringing it over, but that was bringing over all the Nazi weapons scientists, many of them, Who were destined for the gallows in Nuremberg. 0.57

00:47:53.000 And the CIA created these rat lines to smuggle them out from under the nose of Nuremberg prosecutors and bring them over to Fort Detrick and to these weapons labs.

00:48:03.000 A lot of them are nuke scientists, but a lot of them are bioweapons scientists. 0.56

00:48:08.000 Hitler and Goering had a huge bioweapons program and they'd done a lot of work on it. 0.86

00:48:16.000 They had a lot of cutting edge stuff.

00:48:18.000 At the same time, the biggest bioweapons program was in Japan, and it was managed by a scientist called Shiro Ishii, who was just this diabolical Mendeley-like scientist who was doing human experiments that were, you know, as bad as anything that the Nazis did. 0.55

00:48:35.000 But he then was brought under the U.S.

00:48:39.000 wing and protected from the Russians who wanted to hang him.

00:48:43.000 They brought all those scientists over.

00:48:45.000 It was called Japanese Paperclip.

00:48:48.000 On that program, they brought all the Japanese scientists.

00:48:52.000 Those scientists who initiated the U.S.

00:48:54.000 Bioweapons Program at its birth not only imprinted it with a lot of their cell cultures, etc., but also with a lot of their I would say ethical elasticity or ethical lacunae. 0.73

00:49:11.000 And that continues to sort of infect the entire bioweapons program.

00:49:17.000 Now, we put huge amounts of money into bioweapons.

00:49:21.000 In 1969, we had nuclear equivalents.

00:49:23.000 They were bragging that they could kill everybody, basically everybody in the world, for 29 cents a person.

00:49:31.000 29 cents a death. 0.99

00:49:32.000 This is what they were going for.

00:49:35.000 That's success.

00:49:36.000 They do the opposite of science.

00:49:38.000 They were, you know, scientists are the opposite of medicine.

00:49:41.000 Medicine tries to save people's lives.

00:49:44.000 All of these, you know, microbes, etc.

00:49:46.000 And they were trying to enhance the microbes to make them antibiotic resistant, to make them spread faster, to make them deadlier, etc.

00:49:54.000 1969, Nixon goes in there and shuts down the whole program.

00:49:58.000 And everybody's shocked.

00:50:00.000 And those guys were very angry.

00:50:03.000 Now, here's what happened.

00:50:05.000 And they're living in the basements of the Pentagon, and they're trying to bring this back.

00:50:09.000 The CIA is secretly doing bioweapons.

00:50:12.000 They leave Fort Detrick with all their cultures illegally, and they store them in these warehouses in New York. 0.98

00:50:21.000 And they're trying constantly through the neocons who become their allies to revive the bioweapons program.

00:50:28.000 Then 9-11 happens.

00:50:32.000 And 9-11, the neocons bring off of the shelf the Patriot Act, which basically is the beginning of the surveillance state in our country.

00:50:44.000 Nobody reads it.

00:50:44.000 The only congressman to read it was my campaign manager, Dennis Kucinich.

00:50:50.000 And he was in Congress at that time and he told me not one copy was available to any congressman.

00:50:56.000 A 350 act that suddenly appeared the day after 9-11 and that dismantles basically the United States Constitution.

00:51:06.000 Interestingly, that act, which nobody read, had a provision in it that revokes effectively the Geneva Convention and the Nixon's bioweapons charter.

00:51:17.000 Oh, all of the, you know, so it basically relaunched the bioweapons arms race. 0.88

00:51:25.000 There were two guys who were blocking it, Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle.

00:51:31.000 A week later, they're stopping it.

00:51:33.000 They're not going to let it pass.

00:51:35.000 A week later, they get envelopes filled with anthrax in their offices.

00:51:42.000 Congress is shut down.

00:51:43.000 They're shut up.

00:51:44.000 And while Congress is shut down, the Patriot Act gets passed.

00:51:48.000 And the Patriot Act relaunches the arms race. 0.54

00:51:51.000 The military begins.

00:51:52.000 And by the way, that anthrax, which was also used as the excuse for going into Iraq and invading Iraq because Saddam Hussein did it, you know, we were told.

00:52:04.000 It turns out after a two-year investigation, the FBI came back and said that anthrax was Ames anthrax, highly sophisticated, there's only one place in the world it could have come from, Fort Detrick, which is the CIA Pentagon lab.

00:52:18.000 So, at that point, the Pentagon began pumping a lot of money into bioweapons, about $2 billion a year, but they don't want to do it because they don't know if the Patriot Act is actually legal.

00:52:31.000 Because the Patriot Act, what it says is, We're not revoking the Geneva Convention.

00:52:36.000 We're not invoking the Bioweapons Charter.

00:52:39.000 And we're making a law that any federal official that violates those two bills cannot be prosecuted.

00:52:45.000 So the treaties are still in place, but they give an exemption to all federal officials.

00:52:52.000 The Pentagon's not sure that that's legal.

00:52:54.000 And by the way, if you violate those provisions of Geneva, it's a death penalty. 0.63

00:52:58.000 You get hanged.

00:52:59.000 They were worried about doing it.

00:53:01.000 So they, instead of putting it in-house at the Pentagon, they put it all at NIH in Tony Fauci's shop.

00:53:07.000 They give him a 68% raise, which is why he became the highest paid federal official in history.

00:53:15.000 He was making more, $450,000 a year.

00:53:18.000 The president only makes $400,000, but it's because of that military salary he got, the 68% raise in military.

00:53:25.000 So he had to do bioweapons development.

00:53:28.000 That's why he was going to do it and gain a fortune.

00:53:31.000 And then in 2014, three of the bugs escaped from labs in the United States.

00:53:36.000 And everybody finds out about it.

00:53:37.000 Congress has hearings.

00:53:40.000 300 scientists write letters to Obama saying, sign a letter to Obama saying, you got to shut down Tony Fauci.

00:53:46.000 He's going to create an epidemic.

00:53:49.000 Obama shuts down all of Fauci's projects, orders them closed, has a moratorium, but Fauci doesn't shut them down.

00:53:56.000 He continues doing them, and then he starts shipping everything over to Wuhan, where he can do it offshore, out of sight of these federal overseers and all the nosy scientists like Richard Ebright and the others from the Cambridge Working Group who were horrified by what he was doing.

00:54:14.000 And that's kind of why the short story of why, you know, we're doing all this stuff in Wuhan rather than doing it at University of North Carolina in Galveston, which is where they were doing it before.

00:54:26.000 Bloody hell, Robert.

00:54:27.000 Right, to see this sort of the intricate relationships between these varying complex ideas outlaid in this mad anecdotal way, this fireside chat with an uncle who explains that there is just entrenched corruption everywhere you look, is a real delight but also quite bloody terrifying as a matter of fact.

00:54:50.000 Bobby, I want to ask you this.

00:54:52.000 How are we to take seriously the claim that the war between Ukraine and Russia elicits the involvement of America only from a humanitarian perspective when it is so costly and humanitarianism so seldom seems like the motivation for war.

00:55:12.000 There's a hundred billion dollars.

00:55:13.000 I don't know if I'm telling you any facts.

00:55:14.000 You're about to hit me on the head with 10,000 of them.

00:55:17.000 Probably tell me that Marilyn Monroe gave them on the way out of a bedroom somewhere.

00:55:22.000 So, Bobby, tell me, what's going on with this war?

00:55:27.000 Is it a proxy war?

00:55:29.000 Are we pushing Russia and China into a closer alliance?

00:55:34.000 And how are you bloody well going to undo this?

00:55:39.000 After this question, the war one, we're going to go through these pledges and then we're going to talk about what's going to happen if You know, if this stuff gets properly off the ground, and I know you've got 20% in the polls.

00:55:48.000 So firstly, yeah, is it a humanitarian war?

00:55:51.000 What's going on with the expenditure?

00:55:53.000 How do you end these wars?

00:55:54.000 What's going to be the impact of the escalating tensions between the US and Russia, and of course the agitation of China through the semiconductor Taiwan gear?

00:56:05.000 Well, you know, we were sold on the fact that it was a humanitarian war, and we were sold using these kind of Formulaic narratives that, you know, Putin is the evil Hitler-like figure, you know, or Saddam Hussein, whoever it is, the one that we need to go to war, and that we are the good guys, and that it's a humanitarian war.

00:56:26.000 But we have not been acting like it's a humanitarian one.

00:56:29.000 And by the way, my own son went over there and was fighting over there.

00:56:32.000 He fought, you know, he was a machine gunner in a special force unity, joined the foreign legion, And fought in the Kharkiv Offensive, you know, motivated by those impulses, by the humanitarian impulse, by the courage of the Ukrainian people, by the brutality of the Russian invasion, etc.

00:56:50.000 And, but if you look at the history of why, you know, what's happened over there, and you go back a little bit in history, in 1990-91, when the Soviet Union was collapsing, We made a deal with Gorbachev, Britain and the United States, and it was over the reunification, which is a very dicey issue of Germany, because the Russians had 400,000 troops in East Germany.

00:57:18.000 And we wanted to reunite East Germany under NATO, which had been the Russian enemy.

00:57:23.000 So the Russians were naturally worried and said, if we take our troops out, We want to make sure that you're not getting a beachhead and you're not going to move NATO into all of our, you know, former satellite states and make us feel like we're under attack, like we're being encircled.

00:57:42.000 And President Bush famously told them, we will not move NATO one inch to the east.

00:57:49.000 Since then, we've moved it a thousand miles to the east, and we've incorporated 14 of the Russian former satellite states, and we've put Nuclear missile capable systems, the Aegis missile system, which is manufactured by Lockheed in both Romania and Poland, and the Russians were terrified we'd put that in Ukraine, which is only 400 miles from Russia.

00:58:17.000 And they repeatedly said to us, you know, you cannot incorporate Ukraine into NATO.

00:58:24.000 We then unilaterally walked away from our two intermediate nuclear weapons treaties with Russia.

00:58:30.000 So we had treaties saying you can't use intermediate nuclear weapons.

00:58:34.000 These were huge Steps in progress, and we canceled both of them unilaterally.

00:58:39.000 We told the Russians we're not doing that anymore. 1.00

00:58:42.000 Surrounding these missile systems, we started practicing, you know, incorporating Ukraine into interoperability with NATO forces.

00:58:53.000 Zelensky runs in joining up.

00:58:55.000 We then overthrow, we helped overthrow the democratically elected government of the Ukraine in 2014.

00:59:02.000 And install a very ultra-nationalist, and that is a polite way of describing them, ultra-nationalist, you know, government there that's extremely anti-Russian.

00:59:15.000 That prompts the Russians to go in and invade Crimea because they're terrified that now that we have our own government in place there, we're going to put the naval of our U.S.

00:59:25.000 Navy fleet In a warm water port that they've had for, I think, 370 years.

00:59:32.000 It's their only warm water port.

00:59:35.000 It's their way of having a military presence in the Black Sea.

00:59:39.000 They're terrified we're going to go in there, so they invade Crimea.

00:59:44.000 The new Russian government comes in and enacts all of these oppressive laws against the ethnic Russian majority in eastern Ukraine.

00:59:58.000 80% of the people in the Donbas are ethnic Russians, and they were able to have their own language, and they felt part of the Ukraine, but suddenly there's all these laws being passed saying, you know, that language is no longer any good, you have to speak Ukrainian, and treated essentially as red-headed stepchildren.

01:00:17.000 And they start doing protests, and the government then reacts violently, and you basically have a civil war in which 14,000 ethnic Russians are killed.

01:00:26.000 Put yourself in our position.

01:00:28.000 You know, I was here in 1962 when the Russians put nuclear missile sites in Cuba.

01:00:34.000 And we were ready to invade, even though we didn't even know they had that, that they were armed at that point.

01:00:41.000 And if they had also, you know, if Mexico did that, we'd be in there in a second. 0.70

01:00:45.000 If Mexico started killing American expatriates, you know, 14,000 of them, we'd invade in a second. 0.73

01:00:51.000 So we have a Monroe Doctrine that we've enforced for hundreds of years that says, Nobody can put any, no other major power can put any military equipment in our hemisphere.

01:01:05.000 Meanwhile, we've never been invaded.

01:01:07.000 The Russians have been invaded three times through Ukraine.

01:01:10.000 The last time they were invaded during World War II, they were invaded through the Ukraine.

01:01:16.000 One out of every seven Russians was killed, 13% of the population.

01:01:21.000 Russia was leveled.

01:01:22.000 My father, my uncle, in 1963 gave his most important speech, the American University speech.

01:01:29.000 And that speech, he tried to do what I'm doing right now.

01:01:34.000 He told America, it was a speech to the American people, you've got to put yourself in the shoes of the Russians and understand How they have a worldview. 0.87

01:01:44.000 You have to put yourself in the shoes of your adversary.

01:01:48.000 And he went through this history of the suffering that Russia had endured during World War II and why, explaining why it would want to have a legitimate claim to protect its borders.

01:01:58.000 And the U.S., you know, the Ukraine today is a victim of U.S.

01:02:04.000 aggression as well, because Zelensky ran in 2019.

01:02:08.000 And okay, here's a guy who's a comedian and an actor, and I'm not saying that in a disparaging way.

01:02:15.000 Russell, please.

01:02:16.000 I don't want you to hear that in a disparaging way.

01:02:19.000 He's a comedian.

01:02:20.000 He's a comedian.

01:02:21.000 Yeah, I run Europe!

01:02:22.000 Good work!

01:02:24.000 The reason I'm saying that is the only reason he won that election is he ran on a peace platform.

01:02:30.000 He was going to ratify the Minsk Accords, which was the Russian-supported agreement.

01:02:35.000 Tabas remains part of Ukraine, even though it had voted to join Russia.

01:02:39.000 Russia said, we don't want him to stay in Ukraine, but you need to protect them.

01:02:42.000 You need to make them semi-autonomous so they're not getting killed.

01:02:46.000 And so Lenski then gets in there.

01:02:49.000 He gets surrounded by U.S.

01:02:50.000 neocons, including most prominently Victoria Nuland.

01:02:56.000 And she's the one who sort of orchestrated the, you know, the U.S. 0.84

01:03:00.000 walking away from all these nuclear treaties.

01:03:03.000 And all of his peace professions suddenly disappear.

01:03:09.000 And, you know, he is pressured by ultra-naturalists within Ukraine and by the US government to start having a military response instead of going to the table with the Russians.

01:03:21.000 And now we've pumped $113 million in there except for that proxy war.

01:03:25.000 And our government has admitted, President Biden has admitted that this, you know, the old neocon aspiration, This war is about getting rid of Putin.

01:03:36.000 And his Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, acknowledged in April 2022 that the war is about... The U.S.

01:03:47.000 purpose of engaging in this war is to exhaust and degrade the Russian army so they're incapable of fighting anywhere else in the world. 0.72

01:03:56.000 So that is our objective in this war, and it is a proxy war that is using the bodies of the flower of Ukrainian youth, putting them into an abattoir where they are being mercilessly killed. 0.91

01:04:11.000 They aren't even admitting this.

01:04:12.000 The Pentagon doesn't admit it.

01:04:14.000 The Ukrainian government doesn't admit it.

01:04:15.000 They have lost more than 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers.

01:04:20.000 Ukrainians are trying to leave Ukraine, and it is now illegal to leave Ukraine if you're below 55 years of age and a male.

01:04:32.000 And they've killed 14,000 civilians.

01:04:34.000 It's 60% unemployment.

01:04:36.000 the infrastructure of the country has been destroyed for US geopolitical machinations.

01:04:42.000 And it's just, it's not right.

01:04:44.000 The Russians are killing Ukrainians at a rate of probably around seven to one,

01:04:50.000 as they have a 10 to one artillery advantage.

01:04:52.000 And, you know, we've killed between 30,000 and 100,000 Russians,

01:04:57.000 which isn't something to be happy about either.

01:04:59.000 You know, none of this is stuff that we should be doing if we, you know, if we really wanted peace.

01:05:04.000 But this is a war where Ukraine has been made a victim, not just by Russia, but by the United States government.

01:05:13.000 I don't think you're going to hear that kind of conversation, those kind of ideas, that kind of transparency on the mainstream media or from a mainstream politician.

01:05:24.000 Robert, we will be supporting you and discussing you for as long as your campaign continues and I pray that it ends in success for you and for the people of America and for the world.

01:05:36.000 Thank you so much for joining us today.

01:05:39.000 Russell, thanks so much for having us and for being so outspoken, truth-teller on these issues for the last three years.

01:05:45.000 You've been a You've been a little oasis in a desert of disinformation, so thanks Sean.

01:05:51.000 You can hear more from Robert on his podcast RFK Jr.

01:05:54.000 and follow his campaign at teamkennedy.com.

01:05:57.000 Next week on Stay Free, our guests include Silky Carlo, the civil liberties expert from Big Brother Watch.

01:06:04.000 She's got loads of stuff around surveillance. 0.96

01:06:05.000 She told us all the stuff that was going on during the coronation.

01:06:07.000 We've got Annie Mashon, former MI5 intelligence officer, aka a spook on the show.

01:06:13.000 God knows what she's going to tell us after we've newly been acclimatised by RFK.

01:06:17.000 See you next week, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:06:21.000 Until then, stay free!

01:06:23.000 I think you'll agree that there's a great deal to unpack and appreciate in that complex conversation with RFK.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 12, 2023

RFK Jr (Fauci, CIA Secrets & Running For President)

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