Stay Free - Russel Brand - RFK’s 2024 Election Announcement - This Changes Everything

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00:03:45.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:03:52.000 Hello there you awakening wonder.

00:03:54.000 Thank you for joining us for Stay Free with Russell Brand wherever you are watching us at a time of incredible conflict around the world.

00:04:02.000 I pray that I may speak freely from the desire to impress, speak freely from the desire to be thought of well And only to have good intentions for those that are suffering across the world right now.

00:04:15.000 How can we contribute together to making the world a better place for all of us?

00:04:19.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:04:20.000 Let us know in the comments.

00:04:21.000 We're going to be looking at RFK's announcement.

00:04:22.000 It's going to run independently.

00:04:24.000 We're going to be talking to Kim Iverson, who's our friend from Rumble.

00:04:28.000 She'll be talking with us about the ongoing tragic conflict in Israel.

00:04:33.000 And we'll talk about RFK there as well. We'll be on YouTube initially, then we'll be

00:04:38.000 on Rumble. Remember, it really helps us if you follow us there. You might have to download

00:04:42.000 the app because then you'll get notifications. It's not like on YouTube where you might not

00:04:46.000 get a notification when you ask for it.

00:04:48.000 You'll get one. If you download the Rumble app, follow us, ask for notifications, you'll get an app.

00:04:53.000 And if it's within your means, press the red awaken button and you can be part of our movement at a time when the world really plainly needs new solutions to extraordinary historic problems.

00:05:04.000 You're aware of the extensive attack that's being launched against terror targets in Gaza Strip.

00:05:09.000 Joe Biden pledges support for Israel following the attacks.

00:05:12.000 Let's have a look at that.

00:05:14.000 President Biden has condemned the Hamas attacks and says the U.S.

00:05:17.000 will now ensure that Israel has exactly what it needs to defend itself.

00:05:22.000 My administration's support for Israel's security is rock solid and unwavering.

00:05:28.000 Let me say this as clearly as I can.

00:05:30.000 Support amounts to weapons and Joe Biden's going to say something as clearly as he can, which that's a lower ceiling than most people, let's be honest.

00:05:41.000 This is not a moment This issue is one that we're going to take our time to formulate a perspective on because it seems that people are in so much pain and so much suffering that all you can really do is make it more incendiary and worse.

00:06:01.000 I'd love to be part of a conversation that might...

00:06:04.000 offer some healing and some improvement.

00:06:07.000 I know many of you have very strong views and are personally impacted by these events and I can only really offer you love and let's spend a little time together working out how we can contribute something of value to this horrific situation.

00:06:21.000 Caitlin Johnson tweeted, whenever something like this happens, warmongers always seize on the emotional frenzy of the moment to shove through insane acts of warmongering and scream vitriol at anyone who questions them.

00:06:31.000 I wonder if there's anything that we can do that is somehow beneficial to everybody involved in this conflict.

00:06:35.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments how you feel about current legacy media reporting, whether you are in a place where you can handle nuance if you think it's appropriate, even if you think it's appropriate for people that aren't directly involved in this conflict to even express strong opinions.

00:06:49.000 I'm interested in hearing whatever you've got to say, because I believe the world is evolving fast, changing fast.

00:06:55.000 It seems to me that we're in a kind of immersive, polycataclysmic state.

00:07:01.000 There is geopolitical strife, there is cultural strife, there is a lack of trust in all of our institutions,

00:07:07.000 and it's very difficult to find things to feel optimistic about at the moment.

00:07:11.000 But perhaps here is one thing.

00:07:13.000 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. spent the last six months running as a Democrat candidate, as you know,

00:07:18.000 has announced he'll continue his pursuit to become president,

00:07:22.000 but as an independent.

00:07:23.000 Let's have a look.

00:07:24.000 This country is ready for a history-making change.

00:07:27.000 Ready.

00:07:28.000 They are ready to reclaim their freedom, their independence.

00:07:37.000 Some people think that's the announcement and are already cheering, but that's actually not quite the announcement.

00:07:41.000 And that's why I'm here today.

00:07:44.000 I'm here to declare myself an independent candidate.

00:07:49.000 That was the announcement.

00:07:50.000 We're going to talk about that in more depth in Here's the News a little later.

00:07:54.000 And whilst the world is beset by horror and strife, and many of us look for ways to alter our perspective so that we can be of benefit to all of the people suffering in the world, Klaus Schwab is announcing that he has a pretty clear vision of how the world's going to be in 2030.

00:08:12.000 And as you might imagine, you're going to be shuffled about in a vehicle that hasn't even got a job for a driver in it.

00:08:18.000 We meet for the 20th.

00:08:20.000 I hope I will have the pleasure still to be invited for the meeting when we meet for the 20th Governance Summit.

00:08:29.000 You will use an app like Uber.

00:08:34.000 But not anymore to call some driver.

00:08:38.000 But...

00:08:41.000 Automatically guided car, a self-driven car, will come to your hotel or wherever you are and will bring you to the airport.

00:08:50.000 Or, if you've become an enemy of the system, directly to prison.

00:08:54.000 AI and automated technology advances And it's not only being used to fulfil Klaus Schwab's vision of a sanitised reality where elites can continue to advance their agenda without recourse to democracy, discourse, discussion or debate.

00:09:14.000 Also, AI can be used to give us chilling visions of how celebrities who died tragically might look had they not died tragically.

00:09:24.000 The reporting on this is really weird and it's sort of part of the chaotic psychedelic nightmare clown world that we all now just ...ordinarily inhabit.

00:09:34.000 Listen to how they have to explain on this quite light news item how all these people that died as a result of the sort of pressure of being famous, direct assassinations, drug addiction, all of those kind of things, generally what killed them, in some cases there might be even more nefarious reasons behind their death, I'll leave you to guess which ones.

00:09:50.000 Listen to how they sort of convey that as a sort of jaunty news item.

00:09:54.000 Take a look at this woman.

00:09:55.000 She is Hollywood's greatest sex symbol.

00:09:58.000 Well, where are we going with this?

00:09:59.000 Now with AI technology, we are seeing what she and many others would look like in their golden years.

00:10:08.000 We all know the king of rock and roll died in 1977 at age 42.

00:10:14.000 Even something like this which is scintillating and spurious and ultimately vacuous demonstrates to you the way that information is conveyed.

00:10:26.000 What's not said is that god it's pretty awful isn't it that sort of Marilyn Monroe died of a drug overdose and that Elvis ultimately died because of drug misuse and many of the other people here died in tragic circumstances which are indicators and symptoms of a culture that was already going horribly awry and is now playing me at almost every level geopolitical, militaristic, Health, political, cultural just exploded into something akin to nihilism or even evil in some cases.

00:10:57.000 It just sort of uses what would they look like and would you still consider kissing them?

00:11:03.000 But if history had taken another turn this is how he'd look today at age 90.

00:11:09.000 At least according to artificial intelligence.

00:11:16.000 John Lennon literally outlining a vision for a world where we examine our requirement to have sovereign nations, religions that are divisive, currencies, the possibility for humanity to reach beyond the parameters that we're given by materialistic systems that ultimately do not want any of us to be free.

00:11:35.000 They use constant tools of divisiveness, incendiary media rhetoric, horror to keep us all just spellbound in a perpetual state of delirium.

00:11:44.000 John Lennon tried to address that in song and did a pretty good job of it and obviously he was murdered.

00:11:51.000 But what I've always wondered is what would he look like if he was all nice and old?

00:11:55.000 How about this other music legend, John Lennon, who was assassinated in 1980?

00:12:01.000 Just imagine he lives in this image at age 82.

00:12:08.000 What about another legend, blonde bombshell Marilyn Monroe?

00:12:11.000 She was just 36 years old when she died of a drug overdose in 1962.

00:12:17.000 Because she was chewed up by the system?

00:12:19.000 Yeah!

00:12:19.000 Well, she lives in these images.

00:12:21.000 Grey, but still gorgeous.

00:12:23.000 Weird.

00:12:24.000 Three years short of what would have been her 100th birthday.

00:12:28.000 Well, that's a shame she never made it to... She died when she was 36.

00:12:33.000 Oh no, not Diana.

00:12:34.000 And who could forget the legendary beauty of Princess Diana?

00:12:37.000 Not us, because you keep making films about her all the time, brushing over details around her sad demise and then creating pictures of her as an old lady.

00:12:46.000 Still the epitome of class and grace at age 62.

00:12:50.000 It's weird because you're attributing abstract ideas like grace to her but that's not her anymore, that's just a depiction of what someone might look like when they're older.

00:13:00.000 It's weird isn't it that on one side we have the most severe and serious consequences and conflicts imaginable that lead to ideological war, death and murder and horror and potential apocalyptic events from so many perspectives over that sort of Theological or military at the moment to cite just two possible outcomes.

00:13:21.000 And also we're like just fooling around with what people would have looked like had they not died.

00:13:28.000 Everyone's dead.

00:13:29.000 Here's what everyone would look like if they hadn't died in Armageddon.

00:13:32.000 Oh yeah.

00:13:34.000 Even Diana's grandchildren who were not yet born when she lost her life in a car crash are getting the AI aging treatment.

00:13:41.000 What are we doing to them?

00:13:42.000 They're still alive.

00:13:43.000 We can just wait for that.

00:13:47.000 The future King of England, Prince George, is 10 now, but here he is imagined in his early 20s.

00:13:52.000 Tell it like it's a soap opera.

00:13:54.000 Look at these guys.

00:13:55.000 And this one, he's the cute one.

00:13:57.000 Five-year-old rambunctious Prince Louis is seen here as a handsome teen.

00:14:01.000 And here is the world's most adorable princess, Charlotte, now eight, seen here as a charming young lady, every inch a princess.

00:14:09.000 Fast forwarding children into adulthood.

00:14:12.000 Fast forwarding the dead into old age.

00:14:14.000 Extraordinary story.

00:14:17.000 Over in our country we're being primed for a new government.

00:14:22.000 Admittedly the one we have is like ridiculous but the one that we're going to get instead of it is Similarly corrupted and owned by the same interests, I would argue.

00:14:30.000 Let me know if you agree with that in the chat.

00:14:33.000 Here they are doing this conference where they sort of convey ideas, do propaganda and stuff like that.

00:14:38.000 And I feel like a protester maybe got on the stage with the new prime minister to be, Keir Starmer.

00:14:45.000 Have a look at how he handles.

00:14:47.000 A little bit of glitter.

00:14:50.000 True democracy is citizen-led.

00:14:52.000 Politics needs an update.

00:14:55.000 We demand a people's house!

00:14:57.000 We demand a people's house!

00:14:59.000 We are in crisis!

00:15:01.000 We are in crisis!

00:15:05.000 His first reaction was sort of like mild disappointment.

00:15:07.000 It was sprinkled there with a bit of glitter.

00:15:09.000 It's always mad, isn't it, when something like that happens, because you never know if the consequences are going to be horrific violence.

00:15:14.000 But in this instance, it was glitter.

00:15:16.000 And I feel like Keir Starmer sort of thought, oh.

00:15:19.000 And everything that guy said was sort of reasonable.

00:15:23.000 We need a people's house!

00:15:24.000 Democracy's in crisis!

00:15:25.000 The most rational thing that you'll hear all the way through that entire conference is someone who is nutty enough to run on the stage and sprinkle someone with glitter.

00:15:33.000 That is not the person you think.

00:15:35.000 Right, who do we agree with?

00:15:36.000 Well, perhaps one of these career politicians that have formerly been lawyers.

00:15:36.000 Anyone in this room?

00:15:40.000 No, no, they're just gonna do propaganda.

00:15:42.000 What about you, sir, with a bag of glitter?

00:15:44.000 Well, I think that true democracy would grant a voice to ordinary people.

00:15:48.000 What you need is to decentralise power.

00:15:50.000 How can a party that's funded in the same way as its apparent opposition make any real difference?

00:15:54.000 It's pretty clear they do deals with the legacy media to garner support prior to the election, and that there are kingmakers behind the scenes, notably and specifically Rupert Murdoch in this instance in UK democracy.

00:16:05.000 I mean, why should we... Boo!

00:16:07.000 You're mad!

00:16:07.000 Boo!

00:16:07.000 Get off!

00:16:08.000 You are mad!

00:16:09.000 I haven't even done the glitter yet!

00:16:11.000 Still shouting as he goes, still doing his talk.

00:16:19.000 People sort of cheering.

00:16:21.000 Cheering their authoritarianism.

00:16:24.000 Following the incident, Starmer told the audience, if he thinks that bothers me, he doesn't know me.

00:16:28.000 Did look a little bit bothered.

00:16:30.000 Protest or power?

00:16:31.000 Did he say that?

00:16:32.000 Protest or power?

00:16:33.000 It's just, it's interesting to note that the person that said the thing that has most veracity is someone that's Already a little eccentric.

00:16:42.000 People demand democracy campaigns to replace the House of Lords with what the group calls a permanent citizens assembly that would effectively mean the Lords would be selected at random like a jury or what the group refers to as a democratic lottery.

00:16:53.000 Pretty good idea actually, so there you go, it's drawing attention to an interesting idea and without sort of throwing paint all over a precious artwork or something like that.

00:17:02.000 Now, democracy plainly needs to change, whether that will be as a result of glittery protest by an apparently rational young person, or perhaps because an previously institutional politician, not necessarily institutional but certainly someone who comes from within the establishment, bears the name Kennedy, has declared that he's running as an independent candidate.

00:17:24.000 And America seems like it's ready, I think nearly half, according to some polls, Americans would consider voting for an independent politician.

00:17:33.000 Certainly we know the duopoly is over.

00:17:35.000 Certainly we know that both the institutions of the Democratic and Republican parties are pretty corrupt.

00:17:39.000 We've told you time and time again how they're funded, how many members of Congress own stocks and shares.

00:17:45.000 It's just, broadly speaking, equally bad.

00:17:48.000 So an independent candidate Could be the answer and with Cornel West and RFK now entering the fray is this in spite of all the immersive terrifying evidence around us Potentially a moment where American politics could change forever.

00:18:03.000 Here's the news.

00:18:04.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:18:06.000 RFK has launched his bid to become the president of the United States

00:18:16.000 outside of the two-party system and America is ready for change.

00:18:20.000 With the world on the precipice of multiple apocalyptic events, is this the time to consider real radicalism?

00:18:27.000 And does RFK represent that?

00:18:31.000 Let's talk today about one of the positive stories we can discuss.

00:18:36.000 RFK announcing his candidacy to run as an independent.

00:18:39.000 Is it true that for the first time in history Americans would consider voting outside of the Republican-Democrat Duopoly system?

00:18:47.000 Is it possible that we could get real change?

00:18:50.000 Is the fact that we have an independent candidate with a surname Kennedy a kind of mythic return to an American golden age?

00:18:58.000 Is it possible something good could happen during this time beset by multiple crises, censorship, surveillance, war, terror, dread, breakdown and despair, mainstream media deception?

00:19:10.000 Is it It's possible that something beautiful could come from this.

00:19:13.000 And God, just on a personal level, let us reach inside ourselves and find something beautiful in this time of absolute desperation.

00:19:19.000 If you can afford to support us, click the red button and support us so that we can go on this journey together beyond media reporting and into a movement that advocates for spiritual principles that can, I pray to God, bring us all together.

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00:19:42.000 Alright, let's get into today's story.

00:19:45.000 RFK announces his candidature for the presidency of the United States.

00:19:50.000 And that's why I'm here today.

00:19:52.000 I'm here to declare myself an independent candidate.

00:19:55.000 United States history.

00:19:59.000 He says that his supporters in this crowd, and I can affirm that having talked to a number of them, that includes both pro-choice and pro-life people.

00:20:07.000 It includes both environmentalists and climate deniers.

00:20:11.000 He says it's important that we bring people together.

00:20:14.000 When you look at the evident fractures that beset our planet and our lives, and sometimes our personal lives, as well as the international, political and religious stage, the idea that pro-choice and pro-life people could get behind a candidate, I would argue is encouraging.

00:20:31.000 The idea that people that are, as he says, climate deniers and people that are environmental activists can stand together, I would say is encouraging.

00:20:39.000 And if you can think of a solution That doesn't include people with previously opposing views coming together.

00:20:46.000 I can't see that.

00:20:48.000 The only thing I can see at the moment is a willingness for us to move together in good faith.

00:20:53.000 Plainly, we're at a point with many of the geopolitical conflicts in the world at the moment Where the people that are invested either personally, religiously, ideologically are obviously entitled to their perspective.

00:21:07.000 A perspective that is brought about by pain, deep belief and trauma.

00:21:11.000 I suppose those of us that are not affected by geopolitical crises have an obligation to try to maintain some kind of spirit that is inclusive of all humanity and humanity's shared goals.

00:21:23.000 Maybe a candidate like Bobby Kennedy, who is from the establishment by virtue of his surname.

00:21:28.000 He's been on our show a number of times and I actually love Bobby Kennedy as a human being.

00:21:34.000 He knows what it's like to be a member of the elites, there's no question about that.

00:21:38.000 Who could argue that, given his position on vaccines, he isn't willing to fly in the face of convention?

00:21:45.000 Now, the truth is, the world the way it is, particularly right now, there'll be, I know, loads of you in the comments that go, but he believes this about this, or he believes that about that, and maybe the time where you're going to find even another individual that That's just one example.

00:21:58.000 be over. I mean one of the things that I think is successful, I pray is successful, our channel,

00:22:02.000 is we don't agree with each other on some of the issues that have defined our channel's ascent.

00:22:08.000 There are people that I work with creatively, very closely, that have a completely different

00:22:12.000 view to me on, for example, the subject of vaccines. That's just one example. And obviously

00:22:17.000 I'm not comparing that subject to some of the geopolitical conflicts in the world at the moment

00:22:22.000 that involve national and religious identity and horror and death and historic trauma.

00:22:26.000 All of those things are frankly beyond my imagination.

00:22:29.000 But even if you look, and I suppose in this story we must, just at corruption within American politics.

00:22:36.000 America is the most powerful nation in the world.

00:22:37.000 The American military-industrial complex sets the global agenda when it comes to foreign policy and the outcome in many, many conflicts.

00:22:44.000 It's difficult to contest that.

00:22:46.000 The corporations that primarily are housed in America, Big Pharma, Big Tech, they dominate our social and medical spaces and fund apparently independent bodies.

00:22:56.000 I feel that whilst I do not know the answers to the questions that the world is asking of itself right now, it plainly is a time where something new needs to emerge.

00:23:07.000 It's not carry on doing what we've been doing, is it?

00:23:09.000 Because that's the one thing we know doesn't work.

00:23:11.000 He says it's important that we bring people together and it's not possible for one side or the other, the left or the right, to have all of what they want.

00:23:21.000 And that the answer, perhaps, is in an independent candidacy, someone who can listen to both sides.

00:23:27.000 He used the example, Neil, of himself.

00:23:29.000 He said six months ago he thought anybody who wanted to close the border was a xenophobe and a racist.

00:23:35.000 Then he went to the border himself and he's changed his opinion.

00:23:39.000 And he says that is the kind of presidency a Robert F.

00:23:42.000 Kennedy Jr. would bring.

00:23:44.000 OK, so Bobby Kennedy, for me at least, and tell me what you think,

00:23:49.000 seems like an optimistic move in the right direction.

00:23:52.000 I know loads of you are just devoted to Donald Trump and absolutely love him

00:23:56.000 and see him as the anti-establishment figure that the world needs.

00:24:00.000 I honestly don't think very many of you into Joe Biden are, yeah,

00:24:03.000 or probably any candidate that the Democrat Party could put forward.

00:24:06.000 But if what you like about Donald Trump is his anti-establishment willingness,

00:24:10.000 his appetite for confrontation with a lot of what appear to be hypocritical

00:24:15.000 and corrupt ideological stances, unwillingness to confront true deep state and establishment power, then I would say

00:24:22.000 that Bobby Kennedy appears to be in that vein.

00:24:24.000 And you should read some of the things he's written if you query that.

00:24:28.000 And can any candidate really succeed from within the Republican and Democrat party institutions, given the nature of their funding, the historic relationships, the revolving door between both those parties, and financial and globalist interests?

00:24:41.000 Can anyone from within that system make a difference?

00:24:43.000 If you believe they can, let me know in the chat.

00:24:45.000 And more importantly, is America ready for a change?

00:24:49.000 Is America ready to step beyond the two-party system?

00:24:52.000 Almost half of US voters, 47%, say they would consider voting for a third party candidate for president next year, signalling a dissatisfaction with a potential rematch between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

00:25:04.000 Odd that it's sort of regarded as a rematch.

00:25:06.000 Perhaps politics becoming entertainment is part of the problem, but perhaps the sort of hysteria and lack of good faith in the political space at the moment is part of the problem, and I certainly don't blame us.

00:25:16.000 The people for that.

00:25:17.000 I blame hollowed out empty institutions.

00:25:19.000 I blame politicians for exacerbating our differences.

00:25:22.000 I blame the media for reporting hysterically and deceptively on a whole raft of issues.

00:25:28.000 Real change is required and a willingness to look at politics as not entertainment but the establishment of a vision that we can work towards together and the acceptance that within that vision there's gonna have to be a good deal of independence, a good deal of autonomy and a much more decentralization than we've ever been prepared to consider before.

00:25:43.000 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:25:44.000 launched an independent presidential bid on Monday.

00:25:46.000 Cornel West made the same choice last week.

00:25:49.000 The fresh frenzy of outsider candidates threatens to weaken both major parties as Democrat President Joe Biden and Republican former President Donald Trump tighten their grips on their parties' presidential nominations.

00:25:59.000 Would you consider voting for an independent candidate?

00:26:02.000 Are you ready for real change, politically?

00:26:04.000 What about personally?

00:26:05.000 If you are, consider Field of Greens.

00:26:07.000 The Mayo Clinic says, if you want to help prevent heart disease, yes please, lower blood pressure and cholesterol, eat five servings of fruit and vegetables every day.

00:26:14.000 Have you had your five a day?

00:26:14.000 We all know that, don't we?

00:26:15.000 Have you had your five a day?

00:26:16.000 No, I haven't got time.

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00:27:04.000 Now, are you ready for some real independence?

00:27:07.000 A heightened sense of concern is spreading, especially among democratic officials who see the outsiders as a dangerous wild card.

00:27:14.000 I suppose because they've regarded opposition and discourse as heresy, take for example the 30 or so congress folk, or was it senators, that said, can we at least talk about peace between Russia?

00:27:23.000 Like that was just shut down.

00:27:25.000 They've opened the door to alternative political movements.

00:27:28.000 I think we need them.

00:27:30.000 The rise of outsider candidates is an acute reminder of the intense volatility and uncertainty that hangs over the 2024 presidential election.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, whoever wins is going to be contested after the event, isn't it?

00:27:41.000 Both of the major party's most likely nominees, Biden and Trump, are running as the nation grapples with dangerous political divisions, economic anxiety, and a deep desire for a new generation of leadership in Washington.

00:27:51.000 Jim Messina, who managed President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign and is now a prominent Biden ally,

00:27:57.000 didn't downplay the possibility that the new candidates could weaken Biden's coalition.

00:28:02.000 I'm a campaign manager, so I'm wired to plan for everything and panic about nothing,

00:28:06.000 and the threat of a third party needs to be planned for seriously, Messina said.

00:28:09.000 The assumption is most Americans won't be willing to step outside of the tribal lines that have long defined their

00:28:15.000 lives.

00:28:16.000 But this is no longer a normal time.

00:28:18.000 Media has changed.

00:28:19.000 Politics has changed.

00:28:20.000 The public conversation has changed.

00:28:22.000 The state of constant crisis that we've been in, it could be argued, since 9-11 has All of the way people see their institutions and their leaders.

00:28:29.000 Who now trusts the government?

00:28:31.000 Who now trusts the media?

00:28:32.000 Who trusts anybody anymore other than your own emotions and alliances that are transcendent of secularism?

00:28:37.000 Possibly religious or maybe secular if you think of your national patriotic identity is important to you.

00:28:43.000 But this is a time I feel where our institutions have failed us to such a degree that people are really looking for alternative visions.

00:28:49.000 No independent or third party candidate has won an electoral vote in more than half a century, never mind the 270 needed to claim the presidency.

00:28:57.000 But Messina said Biden and his team still need to be aggressive in warning voters about the threat that long-shot outsider candidates present.

00:29:03.000 You need to tell people that a vote for a candidate without a path to 270 means they're lighting their ballot on fire, Messina said.

00:29:10.000 What a messed up system.

00:29:11.000 And that is how you maintain a two-party duopoly.

00:29:15.000 If you vote for anyone else, you're wasting your vote.

00:29:17.000 If you vote for them, you'll vote for a madman and a lunatic or a senile old dude.

00:29:22.000 How can it be that the best thing isn't to vote for someone you believe in?

00:29:25.000 How can it be that we're not discussing, well, whoever you vote for, as I said some years ago, you're going to end up with someone who ultimately operates under the auspices of a deeper power.

00:29:34.000 You're not going to see real change.

00:29:35.000 You're not going to see the kind of change that you were talking about, that I'm talking about.

00:29:38.000 It's not going to meaningfully impact your life.

00:29:40.000 An independent candidate is at least an opportunity to start breaking down some of the institutions that have for the last 50 years, maybe longer, just gilded a dumb, hollow political space and serve the interests of the powerful and deceived ordinary people.

00:29:55.000 It's a condition that's gotten worse and worse.

00:29:56.000 As I say, 2001, 9-11, nightmare, Patriot Act, 2008, economic crash, Barack Obama betrays the population.

00:30:04.000 And since then, just the heaping of the forever crisis and the culture war has meant, I think, almost a permanent state of bewilderment.

00:30:10.000 I mean, how are you coping?

00:30:12.000 So, saying something like, you need to tell people that a vote for a candidate without a path to 270 means they're lighting their ballot on fire.

00:30:18.000 That's how they maintain these systems.

00:30:20.000 It's very interesting how it works.

00:30:22.000 How, in a sense, They've more in common with one another than they do with you and your interests.

00:30:26.000 That's something we've long known, isn't it?

00:30:28.000 Gallup released new polling last week showing that 63% of US adults currently agree with a statement that the Republican and Democratic parties do such a poor job of representing the American people that a third major party is needed.

00:30:40.000 Okay, so people are ready.

00:30:42.000 So watch the legacy media now go to work on attacking that information.

00:30:46.000 Bobby Kennedy is not a man who hasn't experienced being a pariah.

00:30:51.000 Being ridiculed, being slaughtered, being attacked, having his past used against him, having dishonest stories, having his books sort of blacklisted and banned.

00:31:00.000 But I imagine it's going to get a lot worse based on what we can glean from this.

00:31:06.000 The system does not want an external threat.

00:31:09.000 Even an internal threat like Bernie Sanders in the Dems and Trump within the Republican Party has created just total mayhem.

00:31:16.000 Makes me think these systems are quite fragile anyway.

00:31:18.000 It was among the highest figures since Gallup first asked the question in 2003.

00:31:23.000 On paper, Kennedy may be most likely to draw support from Trump's coalition.

00:31:27.000 Radical outsider.

00:31:27.000 Right.

00:31:28.000 So isn't that extraordinary?

00:31:29.000 It shows you that the parameters have shifted so radically that even someone who's associated with the Democrat Party movement as Bobby Kennedy is closer in the minds of the American public imagination to Donald Trump than Joe Biden.

00:31:42.000 I mean, what the hell is going on?

00:31:44.000 Aware of the risk, Republican National Committee chair, Ronna McDaniel, released a statement on Monday calling Kennedy a typical elitist liberal.

00:31:51.000 Everyone just moves straight towards what their propaganda is going to be.

00:31:54.000 How are we going to dismiss him?

00:31:56.000 Elite liberal?

00:31:57.000 How are we going to dismiss him?

00:31:58.000 Crackpot?

00:31:59.000 Everyone's just coming up with ways to not deal with the actual problem.

00:32:03.000 America isn't working.

00:32:04.000 Democracy as it currently stands isn't working.

00:32:06.000 And they're just going to maintain that not working rather than even countenance the possibility of some kind of advance or change.

00:32:13.000 Make no mistake, a Democrat in independence clothing is still a Democrat, she said, highlighting Kennedy's past support for Hillary Clinton and his support for progressive environmental protections known as the Green Deal.

00:32:23.000 So that's the way they think they can make him seem as unappealing as possible.

00:32:27.000 And of course, the Democrats have their own version of making him as unappealing as possible.

00:32:31.000 At the same time, Trump allies have been uncirculating opposition research against Kennedy designed to damage his standing among would-be conservative supporters, including a pre-pandemic video clip of Kennedy declaring himself fiercely pro-vaccine.

00:32:42.000 Kennedy campaign spokesperson Stephanie Speier said the clip has obviously been removed from its content.

00:32:47.000 What I would say is that Bobby Kennedy has been quite outspoken against vaccines.

00:32:51.000 I don't think you can attack him there.

00:32:53.000 You know this guy, he loves vaccines.

00:32:55.000 He's at home right now vaccinating the hell out of himself.

00:32:57.000 Like he's released that book about it.

00:32:59.000 He's jeopardized everything he owns.

00:33:01.000 He's started that movement, that children's defense count.

00:33:04.000 I mean like everything he does he's devoted to, I'm not sure about these vaccines.

00:33:08.000 So if you found him once saying, well actually on our show he goes, no in the right conditions you should Take a vaccine if you're going to an area where you're at risk.

00:33:15.000 I think that's probably the most pro-vaccine thing he said.

00:33:15.000 He's like that.

00:33:18.000 And actually, by the way, bloody hell, don't recent events remind you that forming a kind of tribalism around whether or not you take a medicine is bloody mental anyway.

00:33:26.000 Shouldn't matter.

00:33:28.000 Like, maybe people have got different lives and different priorities and different conditions.

00:33:31.000 They need to kill each other over that or...

00:33:34.000 I think Bobby Kennedy's position on vaccines is clear.

00:33:34.000 Even anything really.

00:33:36.000 against mandates for any and all medical interventions, she said.

00:33:40.000 Mr Kennedy's position is that he's in favour of vaccines that have undergone

00:33:43.000 unbiased scientific testing for safety and efficacy.

00:33:45.000 Such testing has been impossible because of the corrupt influence of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:33:50.000 I think Bobby Kennedy's position on vaccines is clear.

00:33:52.000 I think Bobby Kennedy is an optimistic candidate for most people.

00:33:55.000 I know some of you will have concerns, because I know you, because you are a truly diverse audience, aren't you?

00:34:00.000 You're spiritually diverse, you're mentally diverse, you believe in a lot of stuff, and I'll offer you this.

00:34:05.000 Surely, at some point, we have to consider decentralization and democracy, and a third party candidate is a step in the right direction, if you ask me.

00:34:12.000 Cornel West of course is another independent candidate who is credible, a brilliant communicator, also been a guest on our show.

00:34:19.000 His criticism of Barack Obama is a helpful way of understanding exactly why we're in this mess.

00:34:24.000 Someone that's presented as a genuine hero, Barack Obama, hope, change, president of colour, time of radical optimism, a unifying moment for the nation of the United States, leading really to droning as usual, financial meltdown, bailing out elites.

00:34:39.000 Barack Obama was not a hero.

00:34:41.000 Let's see though what Cornel West has to say because, you know, let him take that heat.

00:34:46.000 One of the sadder things during the Obama years, one of the reasons why so many of us who were critical of brother Barack understood it was not just about policy.

00:34:55.000 There was a time in which the black community was the most anti-war I like his oratory style.

00:35:06.000 Aren't you ready for people that talk like this in Poland?

00:35:10.000 Here come Barack Obama dropping bombs!

00:35:12.000 When he came on our show he was like that.

00:35:14.000 He uses like sort of terms of endearment like brother which I like.

00:35:18.000 I think it's lovely to use language that recognises, in spite of our obvious plain differences, we are of a common species.

00:35:26.000 We do have to find a way of moving forward together.

00:35:29.000 So don't buy into whatever people are telling you about, oh you're burning your vote.

00:35:33.000 You might as well burn your bloody vote if you're not going to vote for someone you believe in.

00:35:35.000 Here come Barack Obama dropping 71 bombs every day, 26,117 in one year, in seven countries

00:35:45.000 walking around with the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:35:48.000 That's a key sweat moment.

00:35:52.000 Something just ain't right.

00:35:54.000 So there is room for change in the nature of political discourse.

00:35:57.000 Cornel West, Bobby Kennedy, for me, are both cause for optimism.

00:36:01.000 Now, you can bet that the establishment are going to move very powerfully to shut down their voices.

00:36:06.000 Bobby Kennedy, in particular, I think, represents a meaningful threat to the duopoly of the Republican-Democrat two-party tyrannical system that is in radical need of re-evaluation.

00:36:17.000 And if you look at the world right now, and I know you've got no choice because the world is flooding in at you through your windows, through your phone, through your heart, It's clear that we have to start considering things that we would never have considered before.

00:36:29.000 Doing what we've always done is going to yield the results that we've always gotten.

00:36:33.000 We have to be willing to change individually.

00:36:34.000 We have to be willing to change collectively.

00:36:36.000 We maybe have to put aside some of our most cherished beliefs and be open-hearted to the possibility that reality is not what we believed it to be anyway.

00:36:44.000 I know that you are the audience that we can trust.

00:36:47.000 I know we can build something.

00:36:49.000 I know that you are willing to look at the world differently.

00:36:51.000 I'm so grateful to you for staying with our channel, for moving beyond the fear, moving beyond the hysteria.

00:36:57.000 Whether it's a localised issue about an individual or a global issue, we have to be willing to consider things we wouldn't previously have considered.

00:37:05.000 And it seems like America, for the first time in history, are.

00:37:07.000 So are we about to see an independent candidate?

00:37:10.000 Well, the elites and the institutions are going to work very, very hard to prevent it.

00:37:15.000 So you will have to work very, very hard to make it happen.

00:37:18.000 But that's just what I think.

00:37:18.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:37:19.000 See you in a second.

00:37:21.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News' videos.

00:37:23.000 No, he's the fucking news!

00:37:27.000 Perhaps it's more significant now that we have alternative political movements,

00:37:32.000 that we have alternative and independent media.

00:37:35.000 Let me know in the chat what you think about RFK's candidacy, who will be most negatively affected, and most importantly of all, is it possible that an independent political candidate could become the President of the United States?

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00:38:04.000 Become an Awakened Wonder.

00:38:06.000 I am honoured to introduce our friend Kim Iverson from Rumble, the journalist, the host of the Kim Iverson Show.

00:38:12.000 That's on Monday to Friday, 6pm Pacific, 9pm Eastern.

00:38:17.000 It's early in the morning for you.

00:38:19.000 Right now, you're denying yourself caffeine.

00:38:21.000 Thanks for joining us, Kim.

00:38:23.000 Thanks for having me.

00:38:24.000 It's great to be here.

00:38:25.000 It's wonderful to have the opportunity to speak to someone who's so confident and adept when discussing complex issues such as we are going to discuss over the course of the next half hour or so.

00:38:35.000 But firstly, I wanted to start with your perspective on RFK.

00:38:40.000 Polling suggests that people are ready for an alternative approach to politics, that they're willing to break out of the duopoly.

00:38:48.000 Is Robert Kennedy, with his anti-establishment position on so many subjects, with his magnificent surname, with his personal warmth?

00:38:55.000 I've met him several times, I'm sure you have, and I find him a great joy to be around.

00:38:59.000 Do you think that this could be a significant moment for American politics, or do you think that he'll be devoured by the machine?

00:39:05.000 I think that he's going to be devoured by the machine, to be honest with you.

00:39:09.000 But I do think that this is a significant moment, and I think it paves the way for potentially future significant moments where people break free from the duopoly.

00:39:19.000 But I do think that ultimately, he's going to end up on one of the other... I think he's possibly going to be offered a vice president.

00:39:30.000 position from either the Republican or the Democrat ticket when they realize that he's

00:39:34.000 going to be siphoning votes away from them.

00:39:37.000 And this could be very significant.

00:39:39.000 He is, I think, the second best person to lodge an independent run for president right

00:39:46.000 now.

00:39:47.000 The best person, if somebody really wanted to break the duopoly, if we really wanted

00:39:51.000 to get out a Republican and Democrat, two sides of the same ass, to be honest with you.

00:39:58.000 Then Donald Trump would actually be the one to throw his hat in the ring as an independent.

00:40:03.000 He would be the one to break it.

00:40:05.000 But he's not.

00:40:07.000 He's got the Republican ticket on lock, so he doesn't need to do that.

00:40:11.000 He's pretty much run as an independent, but on the Republican ticket.

00:40:15.000 So Kennedy doing it is a pretty good, I would say, You know, I mean, it leads us in the right direction, but I don't know if it'll end up any different than, like, Ross Perot in the end, unless he joins forces with one of the others, which I think he'll have to.

00:40:29.000 I think they'll want him to.

00:40:30.000 I mean, he doesn't have to.

00:40:33.000 Obviously, he can do what he wants.

00:40:34.000 But I think that they will definitely be recruiting him.

00:40:39.000 Well that's extraordinary because someone who's been so outspoken on so many divisive issues being in a position of comparative authority is even that is extraordinary although I know that Bobby Kennedy's goal is to become obviously the President of the United States and I suppose The reason that we're talking about it in the way that we are is because independent media means that he has a platform in a way that he previously wouldn't have done.

00:41:04.000 He's the kind of political figure that would previously have been silenced.

00:41:09.000 Certainly, you know, if you just take his book on Anthony Fauci that was a bestseller, sold millions of copies, never was featured in the New York Times, has never been discussed.

00:41:19.000 Again, his perspectives, many of which have proven to be more valid than they were assumed to be at the beginning, have not been included, broadly speaking, in mainstream discourse.

00:41:31.000 He remains, to a degree, a pariah.

00:41:33.000 And for me, it's an indication that there is so much anti-establishment sentiment in your country, but around the world.

00:41:40.000 Broadly speaking, do not trust and often detest their government.

00:41:43.000 Do not trust and often detest the legacy media.

00:41:46.000 Many institutions that are supposed to be the pillars of a civilization, certainly of a nation, are no longer trusted.

00:41:52.000 For the first time in conversation, people talk about disbanding the CIA or the FBI if they were to get into office, or Antony Fauci being prosecuted, closing down the FDA.

00:42:02.000 Things that would have been unthinkable.

00:42:04.000 In a sense, do you think that the candidacy of Robert Kennedy is merely an observable symptom of a deep mistrust?

00:42:11.000 In fact, even the Trump phenomena is just an earlier indicator of that anti-establishment sentiment.

00:42:16.000 Yeah, and even Bernie Sanders was.

00:42:18.000 I mean, until he sort of flipped and now he's way more in line with the establishment narratives.

00:42:22.000 But for sure, the people are fed up with the government institutions.

00:42:27.000 We don't trust the government institutions.

00:42:29.000 They've shown that they're not worth trusting.

00:42:31.000 So it's rightfully earned.

00:42:34.000 And yeah, I think Kennedy really does showcase more of that sentiment coming from people that cannot be viewed as MAGA, right-wing, you know, cult members.

00:42:47.000 So he's showcasing that there's a different faction of the U.S.

00:42:51.000 population that really also feels the same way as many of the people who are voting for Donald Trump.

00:42:55.000 Many of them, there's a lot of crossover there.

00:42:58.000 And of course the media still smears Kennedy and they smear his supporters as conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers or whatever they want to label them.

00:43:08.000 But they can't label them MAGA cultists.

00:43:11.000 You know, there's QAnon followers.

00:43:14.000 There's a different group of people there.

00:43:16.000 And I think as more and more people open their eyes and say, wow, everybody who's not voting for the person they want, anybody who supports an alternative candidate, be it Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:43:26.000 or Donald Trump, gets smeared as some sort of conspiracy theorist or cultist.

00:43:32.000 Or extremist in some way.

00:43:34.000 You know, I think that opens the eyes of more and more people who then say, you know, maybe it's not those people.

00:43:40.000 Maybe they actually have legitimate grievances.

00:43:42.000 Maybe it's actually the government in the establishment.

00:43:45.000 I think more and more people are starting to feel that way.

00:43:48.000 But.

00:43:49.000 I do think that Kennedy, you know, he was up against a battle with trying to run as a Democrat.

00:43:56.000 I never thought he should have done it.

00:43:58.000 I told him, point blank, don't run.

00:44:00.000 Why are you running as a Democrat?

00:44:03.000 Luckily, he has changed his mind.

00:44:04.000 He's changed his mind at the right time.

00:44:06.000 He has to gain, I believe it's about in total, 800,000 signatures in order across the country in all the states.

00:44:14.000 So he has to go state by state.

00:44:17.000 And he asked to get enough signatures, depending on the rules of that individual state, and every state is different, in order for him to be on the ballot as an independent in the general election.

00:44:28.000 Otherwise, his name wouldn't be on the ballot and he would have to be a write-in candidate, and that is a real long, long, long shot.

00:44:37.000 He's announcing this early enough to where he has the time to gain the resources.

00:44:41.000 You have to get staff.

00:44:42.000 You've got to get organized.

00:44:44.000 You've got to get people out there knocking on doors in all 50 states.

00:44:47.000 He now has the time to hit those deadlines, which, depending on the state, again, every state has a different deadline.

00:44:54.000 So some of them, I think, are as early as maybe February or March, and then they roll all the way until about June or July.

00:45:02.000 So, I mean, he's doing, I think, the right thing, getting himself on that, declaring independence, breaking free from the Democratic Party that was not giving him a fair shot at all.

00:45:13.000 They weren't going to let him have any debates.

00:45:14.000 They decided who their candidate is.

00:45:16.000 It's Joe Biden.

00:45:18.000 And they're not having any process or any challenge.

00:45:21.000 It kind of makes me wonder, why do we even have elections every four years then?

00:45:24.000 I mean, if it's just going to be You're the anointed one.

00:45:28.000 Then why even pretend and have an election at all and pretend like there's some sort of democratic process like a primary when there clearly isn't?

00:45:36.000 I mean, it's just a farce.

00:45:38.000 So it's good that he separated himself.

00:45:40.000 And I think more and more Americans are opening their eyes to the farce of the fake democracy that Democrats present in their primaries, which has been fake for a very long time.

00:45:53.000 And, you know, we'll see where this goes.

00:45:55.000 But I do think that what we're going to see is the Republican candidate, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden are going to both feel the pressure of Kennedy siphoning votes.

00:46:07.000 And I think Trump, who doesn't have a VP option right now, could very well reach out and say, hey, why don't you join me and become my VP?

00:46:16.000 Trump can only do one more term.

00:46:20.000 He can't run again after that.

00:46:21.000 So Kennedy could be president in four years after that, if he's vice president for Donald Trump.

00:46:27.000 That's certainly, that baton pass has happened many times before.

00:46:31.000 So it could happen again.

00:46:33.000 Democrats are going to be scrambling and it's going to be really interesting to see how they react to it.

00:46:39.000 He is a Kennedy.

00:46:40.000 He did try running as a Democrat.

00:46:42.000 So they might say, well, they might try to swallow their pride and say, join us and be our VP.

00:46:50.000 That's harder to imagine, but I don't know.

00:46:53.000 Anything's possible.

00:46:54.000 It's crazy.

00:46:55.000 This is going to be a crazy election cycle.

00:46:58.000 Yes, it seems that it will be and I suppose personally the candidacy of Bobby Kennedy has been one of the few things that I can regard with any optimism because I see him as a sincere, open-hearted, spiritually awakened, good man who's in recovery, I understand.

00:47:17.000 I know he's had addiction issues certainly in the past and I imagine they're over.

00:47:21.000 So for me it feels like someone that I can have a little bit of faith in.

00:47:26.000 And entering an environment where it seems there's little scope for anything but cynicism.

00:47:33.000 The simple example that Biden is continuing to build Trump's wall a policy that was regarded really as the symbol of the difference between them.

00:47:45.000 That we know that whoever wins in 2024, we have to assume that whoever loses is going to say that it was somehow stolen by faulty voting machines or Russian intervention.

00:47:57.000 It appears that what's being repressed is a deep Emotional understanding that our systems are in many cases beyond repair, certainly in need of radical review.

00:48:09.000 That we have to consider, I believe, further federalism, decentralization, more democracy, demonopolization of significant spaces in media and particularly social media and big tech.

00:48:24.000 It seems that there needs to be the opportunity to acknowledge that there are many, many ways of being human, many ways of being American, and unless we're going to spend all of our time entrenched in an unwinnable culture war, the polarity will in the end, I think, radiate us all into a kind of madness.

00:48:42.000 In fact, I feel that it's sort of already upon us in many ways.

00:48:45.000 And it's into this environment of polarization, of heated discourse, of bad faith conversations

00:48:52.000 that tensions have escalated, of course, in the Middle East in the most vivid, violent

00:48:58.000 and broadly distressing way, even if you're not directly involved, even as a, like, just

00:49:06.000 as a spectator, as an observer, as a human, it's become difficult to talk about.

00:49:11.000 How do you navigate this space, Kim?

00:49:14.000 How do you talk about a conflict that people don't want to even, it seems to me, engage in a nuanced conversation, a solution-based conversation?

00:49:23.000 Even with the Russia-Ukraine conflict, people seem to not want to talk about peace.

00:49:27.000 It becomes an anathema to talk about peace, which used to be the sensible position of most people.

00:49:31.000 And now we have a much more hotly contested and historically complex situation to discuss.

00:49:39.000 How are you navigating that territory?

00:49:42.000 Well, it's tricky.

00:49:45.000 It's very, very tricky because it is, I would say, the most emotional conflict that we have to discuss, actually.

00:49:55.000 I mean, this is the hornet's nest when it comes to political talk, political conversation, and this is why there does seem to be just complete consensus.

00:50:06.000 In the political class, it doesn't matter if they're on the left, right, or even independent like Bobby Kennedy.

00:50:14.000 There's just a full-fledged support for Israel.

00:50:17.000 No questions asked.

00:50:19.000 There cannot be any debate.

00:50:21.000 And what's really odd about that actually is if you read Israeli newspapers, You actually see debate.

00:50:28.000 If you read, if you actually watch Israeli news, go on to Israeli Twitter and actually translate the tweets that are being tweeted out and read Haaretz, the newspaper, or any of the other newspapers in Israel, you'll actually find robust discussion and debate.

00:50:45.000 And this is not debate that we're seeing in the United States.

00:50:49.000 I don't know what it's like there in the UK, if you're allowed to have any sort of debate, but certainly here in the United States, it is.

00:50:55.000 You're either with Israel, and if you're not with Israel, you're somehow not American.

00:50:59.000 It's like anti-American to not stand with this foreign country.

00:51:05.000 Um, so it's, it's a really, really tricky, it's, it's a tricky, uh, conversation to have.

00:51:11.000 I do think that the conversation has shifted, perspectives have shifted, and that is with the advent of the internet.

00:51:18.000 Um, the, now people can see more with their own eyes the conflict rather than hearing about it from their parents or from the news or from their local pastor that they must support Israel at all costs.

00:51:33.000 Now people are actually seeing videos that are coming from, you know, over the last maybe 10 years or maybe fewer years.

00:51:40.000 I'm not sure.

00:51:41.000 They just barely got 3G internet in Palestine in the West Bank.

00:51:45.000 Gaza, I don't think has anything much at all.

00:51:48.000 They have very, very little.

00:51:49.000 But when I was over in the West Bank, and it was four years ago, actually, I was there probably four years ago today.

00:51:56.000 Um, they just barely got 3G.

00:51:59.000 So there was really no way to upload video.

00:52:01.000 I mean, you could upload videos.

00:52:03.000 This is very slow, very, very slow.

00:52:05.000 So, but people are now getting them.

00:52:08.000 They're seeing what's going on.

00:52:09.000 They're seeing the occupation.

00:52:10.000 And that definitely has, I think, shifted the sentiment where people are thinking, wait a minute, what exactly are we supporting?

00:52:18.000 What exactly is our money going towards?

00:52:20.000 What exactly is happening there?

00:52:22.000 And now we are seeing a little bit more open debate here in the United States in this conflict.

00:52:28.000 But it's a tough one.

00:52:31.000 I mean, these are two cousins fighting to the death.

00:52:35.000 And it's almost an impossible situation to discuss.

00:52:40.000 You know, because we really almost need to put it in that perspective of just understanding this is a family fight.

00:52:46.000 And they are literally, these are their literal cousins.

00:52:50.000 And they are literally fighting over grandpa's land.

00:52:53.000 They're deciding who gets to live on grandpa's land, and who's inheriting it, who has the rightful title to grandpa's land.

00:53:00.000 And they're battling each other to the death.

00:53:02.000 And I, you know, from my perspective, it's not wise to really take Aside on this, to say it's, oh, this is who belongs here and this is who doesn't belong here.

00:53:14.000 The one thing that we can see is that there are atrocities that are happening.

00:53:18.000 What happened in Israel over the weekend with Hamas attacking civilians is atrocious.

00:53:23.000 That is terrorism.

00:53:24.000 It is a war crime.

00:53:26.000 That should not be happening.

00:53:27.000 Guerrilla warfare is a normal part of war tactics that happen from Vietnam to a variety of places around the world when there is a very lopsided, lopsided, you know, arming, right?

00:53:43.000 You've got Israel, which is a massive, well-formed, trained military.

00:53:48.000 And then you have the Palestinians, which really they don't have anything but homemade bombs.

00:53:52.000 And yeah, they've been able to secure some weapons clearly from someplace, probably Iran or wherever Hezbollah But it's very much one-sided, lopsided.

00:54:02.000 And so guerrilla warfare is a typical tactic in a situation like that.

00:54:07.000 But even with guerrilla warfare, there's rules.

00:54:09.000 You know, there's rules.

00:54:10.000 You don't go after civilians that are at a music festival.

00:54:13.000 You target military sites, you target police sites, you target infrastructure.

00:54:20.000 That's what guerrilla warfare is about.

00:54:23.000 You know, there's definitely the atrocities that happened towards the Israelis that are just terrible and we should all condemn it.

00:54:29.000 But then there's also the long-standing atrocities that have been going on against the Palestinians that have kept these people in essentially their own.

00:54:39.000 I mean, they're incarcerated in prison.

00:54:41.000 There's really no other way to describe it.

00:54:44.000 They're living in hell and they clearly have a collective anger That has grown and grown and grown and grown.

00:54:55.000 And the worst part about it is I don't see any sort of actual plan for a resolution to halt that rising anger from a group of people who have nothing left to live for.

00:55:09.000 They're already living in the worst possible situation they could live in.

00:55:13.000 You cannot make it worse.

00:55:14.000 Carpet bombing Gaza is no different for them than what they've been dealing with.

00:55:19.000 Their children being killed is not anything new to them.

00:55:23.000 So you can't really make their lives any worse.

00:55:25.000 So there doesn't seem to be a plan towards figuring out how to break this cycle.

00:55:32.000 And I think that's what we should focus on in discussions.

00:55:36.000 But when we try to focus on that, how do we break this never-ending 75-year cycle of violence, We get this, you know, how dare you?

00:55:46.000 You're, you know, you're anti-Semite or you're not an American or, you know, you are a Hamas apologist or a terrorist apologist.

00:55:55.000 And so it's difficult to have true, genuine discourse on this subject without it getting really inflamed.

00:56:04.000 Yeah because the world has become more censorious anyway.

00:56:08.000 Emotions are high on a variety of subjects anyway.

00:56:12.000 War appears to once again be an option and it felt like for I don't know since at least the Iraq war I guess I mean Afghanistan I mean there's always war isn't there but I must say this appears to be a global blow that the world is not in a very good condition to sustain or it doesn't seem there's a kind of collective access or even local appetite to think about how the

00:56:41.000 cycle might alter and it's even as you've described Kim difficult for people that are not directly involved and

00:56:47.000 therefore clearly allied to one particular outcome to even commentate

00:56:54.000 on it and I feel like I'm gonna have to spend some time working out how to even engage with this issue because

00:57:02.000 The vastness of it I mean it seems like in some ways that it's a conflict that

00:57:07.000 will be beneficial to the military-industrial complex It seems to have affected share prices. It seems like it's

00:57:12.000 sort of plainly beneficial for certain financial interests but even compared to a horrific war like the ongoing

00:57:17.000 conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which I've spoken about and feel like I've

00:57:21.000 Spoken about as honestly as I can while acknowledging my own naivety flaws and limitations of my own understanding

00:57:29.000 It's at least culturally possible to talk about and then you start to wonder what is even the value of talking about

00:57:35.000 it What's the you know, like it's almost I don't know of an

00:57:39.000 issue that sort of brings you to a point of despair as quickly as this one and it's precisely because of what you

00:57:44.000 sort of said that it's familiar and emotional and seemingly intransigent and

00:57:49.000 unwinnable and hopelessly sad and just desperate suffering defining the entire situation

00:57:55.000 Thank you.

00:57:56.000 you Yeah, it's a really, it's a really, really tragic situation for everybody involved.

00:58:02.000 It's tragic for the Israelis who are, you know, mostly on both sides.

00:58:08.000 They just want to live peacefully.

00:58:10.000 People just want to live peacefully where they were born and raised.

00:58:14.000 That is their home and that is what they want.

00:58:18.000 And there are just extreme factions on both sides who want to eradicate the other side because it is just cousins that hate each other.

00:58:28.000 Some cousins want to live together harmoniously and they say, why can't we share grandpa's land?

00:58:32.000 And others say, no way.

00:58:34.000 We were clearly the ones that were left with this land.

00:58:38.000 It's written down.

00:58:39.000 We've got the deed.

00:58:40.000 And others saying, well, we still have the keys.

00:58:43.000 I mean, it is just, it's a really, really, really tragic and hopeless situation.

00:58:48.000 And that is why I personally, you know, I'm very much anti-war.

00:58:52.000 I do think that we have to come to a peaceful resolution on this.

00:58:57.000 You know, I mean, it's been attempted for a long time and it does feel really hopeless that this is the one conflict that may never resolve.

00:59:03.000 But I do think that we should have a stance as Americans of let's just stay out of it.

00:59:09.000 This is a family fight and we just should not be involved and let them work it out amongst themselves because there is no winning this thing and we have been giving endless support to Israel for a very very long time and it clearly Didn't help them.

00:59:24.000 I mean, what happened with all of that money that we've been giving them and all the defense we've been giving them?

00:59:30.000 And there still ended up being a massive failure.

00:59:32.000 And they still end up having the situation, you know, they're in the situation that they're in.

00:59:36.000 And now they're carpet bombing Gaza.

00:59:38.000 And that's not that only that's not teaching the Palestinians a lesson.

00:59:42.000 There's no lesson to teach them.

00:59:44.000 And that's, I think what people have to really sort of wrap their minds around first is that You know, when you remove yourself emotionally from the situation, try, it's really difficult to do.

00:59:56.000 But when we, those of us like I'm not Jewish, nor am I Muslim, I don't have any, I don't have a, you know, a dog in this fight, really.

01:00:03.000 So for me, I'm just an American, I'm seeing a lot of American dollars going over to these various conflicts around the world.

01:00:09.000 And I think that when we look at it, we could just say, look, You know, the logic on this is this is a family fight.

01:00:18.000 We should stay out of it.

01:00:19.000 We can't be continuing to fund these types of wars or this type of security.

01:00:26.000 The Israelis are very competent.

01:00:27.000 They're able to take care of themselves as well.

01:00:29.000 You know, we had an attack on our soil as well.

01:00:33.000 You know, and we're not asking for anybody else for aid.

01:00:36.000 You know, we can manage it.

01:00:38.000 I think any sovereign nation does.

01:00:41.000 But yeah, this is just, it's a really, really, really tough conflict to deal with.

01:00:45.000 And the solution, I don't know where the solution lies, except for the first step is to make a group, a hopeless group of people more hopeless.

01:00:56.000 isn't going to work. They're already hopeless. They're at the end of hopelessness. So saying

01:01:01.000 we're going to bomb them and teach them a lesson. We're going to terrorize, you know,

01:01:06.000 make their lives a living hell to where they never think about doing something like this again.

01:01:11.000 It's already been done and it didn't work. So can we come up with a different solution?

01:01:16.000 And I wish that was really sort of the sentiment going forward is can we come up with a new

01:01:21.000 solution because that one clearly failed. Tim, why did you go to Gaza? I didn't go to Gaza.

01:01:28.000 I went to West Bank. And I went to see the conflict for myself to to learn about it, to understand it,

01:01:37.000 to...

01:01:39.000 you To really, you know, I mean, here in America, we're told one thing and one thing only.

01:01:39.000 Bye.

01:01:46.000 And we're told that one side is terrorizing the other, that there's a group of people just trying to live peacefully in their home and in their land that they've been promised, and that the other group of people's terrorizing them.

01:01:59.000 And I wanted to go over there to see for myself what the facts were and went and saw a very, very, very different situation than that.

01:02:07.000 I saw a group of people being terrorized.

01:02:11.000 But it wasn't the group of people who there's no doubt it's terrifying to live in a city or a society where you know that in any minute a rocket could come towards you.

01:02:23.000 There's no doubt that that's terrifying.

01:02:24.000 So I'm not minimizing the fact that many Israelis do live in fear and terror.

01:02:31.000 Palestinians live with that same exact fear.

01:02:34.000 They don't know when a rocket's going to come bombing them either.

01:02:37.000 They're in that same boat.

01:02:39.000 But they're in an additional level of stress where there is a massive occupation and guns and in their faces all the time, checkpoints nonstop, lack of running water.

01:02:51.000 They don't have, like I said, they just get 3G cell phone service and you travel into Israel and they get 5G.

01:02:58.000 Um, you know, they're under, they're under duress.

01:03:02.000 And when you, I, I came back, I have to be honest with you, I was there for about a week and I came back with a slight form of PTSD.

01:03:09.000 Not kidding you.

01:03:10.000 A real slight form of PTSD that I felt, I just did not expect to see what I did.

01:03:18.000 And it was traumatizing to me to be there for one week.

01:03:23.000 And living amongst the Palestinians and traveling alongside them.

01:03:28.000 I couldn't imagine living in that situation for weeks on end, months on end, years on end, decades on end.

01:03:38.000 It's bound to breed some serious, serious, serious animosity.

01:03:43.000 And it has.

01:03:44.000 Thank you for speaking so bravely and for advocating for peace.

01:03:50.000 It makes me consider the complexity even of the free speech issues that we often discuss on our platform Rumble and the assumption that free speech is going to contribute to resolving many of the cultural conflicts that we experience and even political and even perhaps military conflicts.

01:04:10.000 It makes me recognize there are Limitations to that kind of idealism.

01:04:15.000 Nevertheless, many countries around the world, mine, the UK, Canada, Ireland, are introducing legislation and the anglophonic countries that haven't introduced sensorial legislation yet to control online spaces usually under the auspices of safety are discussing that type of control.

01:04:32.000 With fear at the pitch that it currently is globally, with division, with hatred of institutions on the rise and new measures being introduced to control conversation, to shut down communication, what do you think is the type of vision that we're being guided towards?

01:04:50.000 And why do you think there's such similar legislation that's being passed, or near simultaneously, in so many distinct countries?

01:04:59.000 Why is this happening?

01:05:00.000 What is happening with online streaming and the UK Online Safety Act?

01:05:04.000 What do you think's behind it, Kim?

01:05:07.000 Yeah, all of this censorship is really obviously trying to control the people.

01:05:12.000 They're losing power, losing control.

01:05:14.000 A lot of different groups are losing power and control, and so they're coming together collectively to try to battle that loss of power.

01:05:22.000 You've got the legacy media, they're losing viewership.

01:05:27.000 Their viewership is 65 years old and older.

01:05:31.000 They're not able to gain younger viewership.

01:05:34.000 Any younger viewership that maybe came around started to say, wait a minute, you guys, I don't trust you.

01:05:40.000 You aren't telling us the full story.

01:05:42.000 So legacy media is losing its viewership.

01:05:45.000 It's a very powerful entity, billions and billions of dollars in legacy media.

01:05:50.000 So they do not want to give up their power and they want to silence and censor

01:05:56.000 and halt independent media as much as possible.

01:06:00.000 And they're part of the impetus behind these bills to try to limit us and censor us

01:06:08.000 and control us and regulate us.

01:06:10.000 And then on top, so you've got that one group that has an agenda, the agenda to just hold on to all the money that they've been making.

01:06:16.000 I mean, you look at like CNN, for example, and they had a massive failure with their attempt at going digital and going into this new media realm with CNN plus, right?

01:06:28.000 I mean, it failed within 10 days.

01:06:30.000 So They thought, okay, this is going to be the future.

01:06:34.000 This is how people make money now.

01:06:36.000 People don't tune in with legacy media anymore.

01:06:38.000 So now we've got to pivot.

01:06:39.000 They tried pivoting and it did not work.

01:06:41.000 That is a giant slap in the face.

01:06:44.000 So of course, these legacy media companies get together and they think, oh my gosh, existential crises.

01:06:49.000 What are we going to do to save ourselves?

01:06:51.000 And this is one of the things that they're attempting to do is just shut down the competition.

01:06:57.000 But then there's another group of people that have another agenda, and that would be the political space.

01:07:02.000 The political space, obviously, they're wanting to control because they want to keep themselves in power.

01:07:07.000 They want to remain elected.

01:07:08.000 They want their party in power.

01:07:10.000 And so they want to censor alternative ideas or viewpoints or dissent in order to ensure that their narrative is the only narrative that people hear.

01:07:20.000 And that people are properly propagandized the way that they want them propagandized.

01:07:24.000 And so they've joined forces with the legacy dying media, the dinosaur, and they're trying to, you know, they're all just trying to hold on to power.

01:07:34.000 And then of course, you've got the military industrial complex factions that also want to control the narratives because they want to keep people thirsty for war and continuing to sign off on massive amounts of weapon sales all around the world.

01:07:52.000 The problem with it is that there's just too many players and they all have their own agenda.

01:07:58.000 So we have to break them down one by one.

01:08:01.000 What's Big Pharma's agenda?

01:08:03.000 What's Legacy Media's agenda?

01:08:05.000 What's Military Industrial Complex's agenda?

01:08:07.000 What is the ruling party power?

01:08:11.000 What's their agenda?

01:08:13.000 And they're all together.

01:08:15.000 And the one agenda they have together is that they can censor and silence any sort of uprising amongst the people.

01:08:23.000 And I'm not even talking like a physical revolution uprising, but I mean just like an enlightenment.

01:08:30.000 They're just trying to silence that to ensure that the people stay in the dark ages and just doing what they want us to do.

01:08:37.000 And behaving the way they want us to behave.

01:08:39.000 But it's a behemoth to battle because there's too many fronts.

01:08:43.000 There's so many fronts.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:08:46.000 When you just listed the number of interests that converge around that big pharma-military-industrial complex, old media, centralist and authoritarian political ideology, it makes you recognize that this is a significant challenge.

01:09:03.000 That it's not nothing.

01:09:04.000 That there is an agenda.

01:09:06.000 Legacy media cannot report on independent media from a non-biased perspective.

01:09:13.000 It's from a militant perspective that they report on it.

01:09:17.000 And I sense this kind of repression and resistance of evolution.

01:09:22.000 That's what it feels like to me, is that increasingly the opportunity for more freedom, more communication, more connection, more ability to organize, Things that have been very successfully deployed, for example, in trade and commerce, if you think of the emergence of the giant, unprecedentedly large corporations that have risen out of the online space, the Alphabet and Facebook, that are all essentially utilising people's ability to instantaneously communicate and potentially organise.

01:09:52.000 As usual, the ideology that sort of is mapped onto it is one that's based in commodity, commerce and sales, and the kind of consensus that's achieved between corporate interests and state interests which is a form of fascism it's like when those interests align when as is the case with these new raft of online safety measures that the very powerful corporate interests and state interests come to an agreement we will allow you to continue as long as we are given access to your information and as long as we're able to limit and control the type of information that's communicated on your platforms

01:10:29.000 That's an unprecedented and terrifying step and it's very interesting that the way that it's always augured and lubricated and presented is this is about safety and I suppose control and safety any parent or anyone has to care for a vulnerable person recognizes that their control and safety has a crossover but this is Clearly, control rather than safety.

01:10:58.000 We have massive amplifier, hate speech is a problem, these dangers, these risks have to be countered.

01:11:05.000 The invisible sleight of hand is now the ability to openly communicate is massively truncated.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, the guise of safety.

01:11:16.000 It's always for, because we're idiots, right?

01:11:18.000 We can't make our, we can't decide as adults what's dangerous to us and what isn't.

01:11:24.000 We need, of course, the government to come in and tell us how to keep us safe.

01:11:30.000 I mean, it's just really ridiculous, but that is, they're always using it because they can't come out and say, we're doing this to control you.

01:11:37.000 Could you imagine if they just were upfront about it?

01:11:40.000 But instead they have to say, no, we're doing this to keep you safe.

01:11:43.000 This is for your own safety.

01:11:44.000 safety, because they can't just be honest about what they're really doing.

01:11:48.000 And I suppose a component of that pose of being the kind of guardians of our safety is to continually present the world

01:11:56.000 as a volatile, dangerous, divided place where you have

01:12:00.000 opponents with whom you can never come to terms.

01:12:04.000 And I feel that that is a sort of that happens domestically, happens internationally, happens geopolitically, the

01:12:09.000 rhetoric around Russia, the historic and emotional conflict that we've

01:12:12.000 been discussing.

01:12:13.000 It's, in a way, it ultimately is advantageous to establishment

01:12:19.000 power to have terrified, divided people.

01:12:23.000 Isn't that interesting, though, that that is actually the most dangerous thing?

01:12:29.000 The single most dangerous thing, when we look back in history, is the demonizing of a group of people to where people then want to get together and eradicate that group of people.

01:12:39.000 That is the single most dangerous thing that has been in existence, the single most dangerous thought in existence since the beginning of humankind, and yet the very thing they claim they're protecting us from is the very thing they're creating.

01:12:52.000 Yeah.

01:12:54.000 These kind of paradoxes and inversions of meaning, Kim, I've noted again and again, whether it's safety and control in judicious justice, the number of things that have become flipped, that it's wrong to talk about peace, it's only right to talk about war.

01:13:13.000 So many values have been up.

01:13:15.000 Free speech is hate speech.

01:13:17.000 All sorts of false equivalencies have been made to the point that we live in an emotionally disorienting and spiritually, I think, and psychologically disorienting environment.

01:13:27.000 And perhaps it's disorienting because we do live in a truly global culture now.

01:13:30.000 Instantaneous news cycles, continual communication.

01:13:34.000 There is at odds with our evolution and perhaps At odds with our capacity.

01:13:39.000 This is, I suppose, what undergirds my belief in individual freedom and collective freedom and democracy.

01:13:44.000 Actually, actual democracy.

01:13:47.000 Human beings can't live like that.

01:13:49.000 You can't have centralized institutions, particularly undemocratic ones, that determine the outcomes of the lives of millions of people.

01:13:56.000 Whether that's WHO treaties around snatching 5% of each country's domestic budget or New coordinated responses or rafts of censorship legislation is tyranny.

01:14:10.000 That's what tyranny looks like now.

01:14:12.000 It's not so visually militant, but it's sort of more coherent, more cogent, more powerful and persuasive.

01:14:21.000 And it doesn't ever last.

01:14:23.000 So it's going to be interesting to see at what point people have had enough and exactly what people do in response to having had enough.

01:14:33.000 Now, it could last our entire lifetime.

01:14:35.000 That is what's really frightening, is it could.

01:14:37.000 Because it does often when you look through history, authoritarian regimes and this type of tyranny can last Hundreds of years with, you know, monarchs we've seen in the past and other types of regimes.

01:14:53.000 But I mean, I hope it doesn't last our entire lifetime.

01:14:57.000 I hope that we break out of this sooner than later.

01:14:59.000 It's possible that it lasts a really long time.

01:15:01.000 But the big question is, at what point will there be a breaking point where the people say, we will not live like this?

01:15:08.000 And what will they do in response?

01:15:13.000 You know then and that's the big question is is what type of response where they'll be most governments I don't think there's well There's been no government in the history of any government that's ever lasted ever in the history of the world They all thought they all eventually fail whether they fail on their own or they fail because the people force them to fail so They right now what they're doing is they're trying to give us this kind of illusion of freedom when they're actually

01:15:42.000 controlling us quite a bit.

01:15:43.000 And so the question is at what point will people realise that and then what will people do?

01:15:48.000 Also the illusion of permanence when it feels like impermanence is of course just

01:15:53.000 sort of an immutable law of the cosmos and also maybe immutable law of the cosmos and also that

01:15:59.000 the rate of change seems to be speeding up. The things that there is a sort of giddying velocity

01:16:05.000 Like, you know, maybe it was 9-11 when this began, maybe it was some point that I didn't register or notice, but just ongoing, spiralling, fractal crises, that there's just sort of a bilious fever dream of global events, like the spin of the world on its axis has hastened.

01:16:24.000 I don't know, Kim.

01:16:24.000 We're gonna have to do something.

01:16:26.000 I hope you're working on your show!

01:16:29.000 That's what I will say.

01:16:31.000 I mean, well, all we can do, right?

01:16:32.000 I mean, this is all we could do is continue talking, continue to be out there, continue to change minds.

01:16:38.000 But then they try to silence us, right?

01:16:40.000 They try to shut you down.

01:16:41.000 They try everything they can.

01:16:43.000 And that is also what's really frightening is the fact that when somebody gets too powerful, then they say, well, time to shut this one down.

01:16:50.000 You know, we can't allow these people to continue following this voice here because They're just like, we're fine when we don't have that big of a following.

01:17:00.000 We're fine.

01:17:01.000 And then suddenly it's Oh, you're a conspiracy theory or whatever label they want to slap on you.

01:17:06.000 So it's but I do think that with new media, I do think that You know, Rumble, what an awesome platform and leadership at Rumble to just say, you know what, this is what we're about.

01:17:21.000 We're about free speech and we're going to continue on with that.

01:17:24.000 I mean, so if we just have more people that stand up like that, if we have more entities, maybe we'll actually get somewhere with this.

01:17:35.000 I don't know.

01:17:36.000 It's frightening.

01:17:37.000 Every time, you know, and I knock on wood, every time I think that Oh, it just can't get any worse.

01:17:44.000 You know, it just can't.

01:17:45.000 This is the turning point.

01:17:46.000 This must be it, finally.

01:17:50.000 Something happens.

01:17:50.000 The pandemic happens or something.

01:17:52.000 I mean, in my mind right now, I'm thinking, OK, if Trump just wins, I mean, a lot of me, look, I just want the guy to win.

01:17:59.000 I just want him to do his four years.

01:18:01.000 Because then they can never talk about him again.

01:18:03.000 I'm just hoping, you know, just whether I like him or not, it doesn't matter.

01:18:08.000 Just for this year, get him in office so that the people and then his four years are up.

01:18:14.000 He can't go again.

01:18:15.000 And then they have to stop.

01:18:17.000 They have to stop with this.

01:18:18.000 It's Trump.

01:18:19.000 We have to stop him.

01:18:20.000 We have to do everything that we can.

01:18:22.000 And then maybe that would go away.

01:18:23.000 But then I fear, well, then it'll be something else.

01:18:25.000 It'll be someone else.

01:18:27.000 And they'll make that person or that thing worse.

01:18:31.000 Then what Donald Trump was in their minds just like they converted that energy from Trump to vaccines.

01:18:39.000 And we saw that during the pandemic and now we're seeing that and then it shifted towards Ukraine war and now maybe the Israel war.

01:18:48.000 I don't know.

01:18:49.000 I just, I mean, again, knock on wood.

01:18:51.000 I don't want something else to pop up and be worse, but I don't know.

01:18:56.000 I just keep thinking, this is it.

01:18:58.000 This is as bad as it gets.

01:18:59.000 Then they have to wake up.

01:19:00.000 They have to come to their senses at some point.

01:19:02.000 People can't be this insane.

01:19:05.000 Oh yes, they can.

01:19:06.000 Yeah, well it seems that we can.

01:19:07.000 Thank you for participating in The Ongoing Awakening, and I suppose what I feel is that we have to somehow pray to wherever this phenomena emerges, for all culture, all conflict, all cultural phenomena, for good or bad, other than ecology, seems to be passing through the consciousness and culture of human beings.

01:19:24.000 And if we can have an experience of awakening at depth, en masse, then this is where the potential for change must come from.

01:19:31.000 If indeed all reality ultimately has as its premium material consciousness itself.

01:19:36.000 If the clay of our reality is consciousness, and there's no evidence really that it isn't, that consciousness is ultimately where all this stuff takes place.

01:19:43.000 If we can alter that, if we can summons a higher self, what better goal can there be?

01:19:48.000 What different goal can there be?

01:19:49.000 And perhaps more importantly, what alternative do we have when we look at the Maddening fracas, the insurmountable conflicts that devour the planet.

01:19:58.000 Kim, thank you for providing your bravery, your optimism and your eloquence all in the endeavor of advancing this debate.

01:20:05.000 Thank you.

01:20:06.000 Thank you for having me.

01:20:08.000 The conversation with Kim Iverson is yet another demonstration of the significance of free speech, even when it seems that we are beset on all sides by insurmountable helplessness and hopelessness with very little to reach towards in optimism.

01:20:21.000 Even in prayer, perhaps we feel sceptical and cynical.

01:20:25.000 I would ask you to remain hopeful and optimistic within yourself, to try in your own life to be loving, to look for opportunities to regard any potential situation, whether it's global or personal, from the perspective of those with whom you most vehemently disagree.

01:20:39.000 What else do we have other than love, other than a willingness for change?

01:20:44.000 We're going to be here again tomorrow.

01:20:46.000 It's so important that if you... Yeah, we are going to be here again tomorrow, aren't we?

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01:21:00.000 We're going to start a community!

01:21:02.000 But, you know, there are a few things to surmount before we get to that point.

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01:21:15.000 Hey, tomorrow David Zweig's on the show.

01:21:17.000 We're going to be talking about pandemic madness.

01:21:19.000 He's a brilliant contributor.

01:21:21.000 You'll really enjoy him.

01:21:22.000 He's one of the Twitter Files journalists and he's brilliant at observing patterns in media.

01:21:26.000 Consistencies and inconsistencies in reporting.

01:21:28.000 It's going to be an education for all of us.

01:21:31.000 I know that.

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01:21:40.000 You know what we're doing?

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01:21:48.000 We're talking about the five ideas that could save the world, whether that's cryptocurrencies, whether that's new ways of organizing communities, new ways of challenging democracy.

01:21:57.000 We are looking at how do we break out of this system, baby, because let's face it, we got a wish I knew you're on board.

01:22:04.000 Ricky Bobby Texas, thank God you are part of the revolution.

01:22:07.000 And Russ Thanks for joining us.

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01:22:13.000 You must surrender in order to support free speech.

01:22:16.000 Surrender to the highest powers available.

01:22:18.000 Join us tomorrow then with David Swig.

01:22:20.000 You're gonna love that conversation.

01:22:22.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:22:24.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

01:22:26.000 Many switchings, switch on, switch off. Many switchings, switch on, switch off. Many switchings, switch on, switch

01:22:36.000 off.

01:22:37.000 Switch on.

01:22:38.000 Man, he's switching.

01:22:39.000 Switch on.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - October 11, 2023

RFK’s 2024 Election Announcement - This Changes Everything - Stay Free #221

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