Stay Free - Russel Brand - Roblox ICE Raids, God and Country, and the Epstein–Israel Connection — SF680

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand and what a spectacular and special day it is.

00:00:22.000 While all around the world seems to be in despair and disruption, we have found a line that we can follow.

00:00:28.000 Confidence means with faithfulness, con fidelity.

00:00:32.000 And we are confident because we follow a righteous path.

00:00:36.000 Narrow is the gateway though, so watch out.

00:00:38.000 If you're watching us anywhere other than Rumble or Rumble Premium, get on over here to Rumble.

00:00:44.000 Yes, X is a fine platform, but they don't pay us.

00:00:46.000 Rumble payers.

00:00:47.000 Get over here so we can fund the war. 1.00

00:00:49.000 Kaja Ka Kang, we're in a holy war. 0.81

00:00:50.000 That's the noise guns making it. 0.66

00:00:51.000 Kaja Ka Kang.

00:00:53.000 Joining me, as always, is beloved Jake Smith.

00:00:56.000 Nice hat.

00:00:56.000 Hey, thank you.

00:00:58.000 It's good to hear you say something kind.

00:01:00.000 Well, there you go.

00:01:01.000 It's once in a while.

00:01:02.000 It's going to happen once in a while.

00:01:03.000 Dave Fields is with us, you great field of wonder and glory.

00:01:06.000 How are you today?

00:01:07.000 I'm doing great.

00:01:08.000 Happy birthday for the other day.

00:01:09.000 Thank you.

00:01:10.000 Few people having birthdays.

00:01:11.000 Just go on and on.

00:01:12.000 Birthdays.

00:01:14.000 I'll tell you this.

00:01:15.000 If Joe and Massey, my beloved friends in the United Kingdom, right, one time I was with Fiddy Sent and it was my birthday, right?

00:01:26.000 And I was interviewing Fiddy Scent and I sort of go to him, it's funny interviewing you because it's my birthday.

00:01:33.000 And like, he was just like, yeah.

00:01:37.000 I said it a couple more times, see if I could get a tune out of him.

00:01:40.000 Couldn't.

00:01:41.000 It's my birthday, though, Sean.

00:01:43.000 Like, not Sean, that's the other one.

00:01:45.000 That's the one he's making a film about.

00:01:47.000 But Fiddy's got a proper name.

00:01:49.000 I know, innit?

00:01:50.000 What's Fiddy's real life name?

00:01:51.000 They've always got a name, rappers, that sort of undermines them.

00:01:54.000 Like Clarence or Claude.

00:01:56.000 Curtis.

00:01:57.000 Curtis.

00:01:58.000 That's it.

00:01:58.000 Curtis, well done, Joe.

00:02:00.000 Well done.

00:02:01.000 Joe, I like it.

00:02:02.000 What I liked it for.

00:02:03.000 There was this brief moment in our friendship when you would send me like rappers that were still making their stuff in jail and like using like, my microphone was a phone hanging out of.

00:02:13.000 Like you're like oh, that's the thing they give you for the bathroom in jail, from a bedsheet.

00:02:19.000 Uh, Masrell 20, Mazarell 20 yeah, Mazarel 20, and a kiddie called Marnes Malone was the other one.

00:02:26.000 Shout out to them, lads doing the hard yards behind bars, out on the landing, finding new and unique understanding, our brothers that are incarcerated.

00:02:35.000 We send love to you, we pray for your freedom, particularly those of you that are jailed injustly because of corrupt and disgusting systems.

00:02:42.000 We tell you there is a way out.

00:02:44.000 We will help to forge ahead the pathways for you and, come the day of the glorious revolution, you will be freed freed to fight the only battle that matters.

00:02:54.000 Over the course of the show today, we're going to be talking about the ice raids in Roblox.

00:02:57.000 My word, I let my kids play those Roblox. 0.57

00:03:00.000 I hope they're conducting those ice raids responsibly.

00:03:03.000 We're talking about the rise in Christianity, thank the lord, and we're also sort of this is my question and i'd like to put it to all of you.

00:03:10.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:03:12.000 Do you think the Epstein Epstein files are serving as a kind of revelation that's bringing about the kind of beast mentality of the end times?

00:03:22.000 Like when you read even in Matthew or Daniel or Ezekiel and of course the book of Revelation, what the end times will be like, you get the idea that we're being primed for a time of false prophets, false idolatry, the beast will come, nation will fight nation, there's going to be earthquakes, there's going to be famines.

00:03:41.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if the Epstein files and these kind of icky, disgusting, insidious, underbelly, upward ooze-like venom, a percolating funk coming up from the soil itself, kind of is a signal to you that the world is changing and it's changing fast.

00:03:59.000 If you know, and if you're listening to me now, you can tell I'm a person who's got the Lord with me.

00:04:03.000 Thank you, God, for being with me.

00:04:05.000 Come see me in Florida in the Panhandle doing my show, A Funny Thing Happened on My Way to Church.

00:04:11.000 There's a link in description.

00:04:12.000 You can get tickets there.

00:04:13.000 I'm doing some shows on the 16th, 17th of Feb, March 2nd and 3rd, around that kind of time.

00:04:18.000 Come see me.

00:04:18.000 It's good stuff.

00:04:20.000 Okay, let's get straight into the content without any more what I would call wanking around.

00:04:26.000 If you're watching us in the UK, we're very interested in the disruption and despair in the UK.

00:04:31.000 If you're watching us in the United States of America on Rumble, welcome, welcome.

00:04:35.000 Thanks for watching us.

00:04:36.000 We're talking about your country where people are turning into Christ in record numbers, perhaps because of the Epstein files and perhaps just because everyone's sick and tired of a disgusting society. 0.70

00:04:45.000 Now, Roblox is a new sensation.

00:04:47.000 And in the same way that when I was growing up, people would say, don't listen to NWA.

00:04:52.000 People are now saying, don't play Roblox.

00:04:54.000 Is Roblox a tool of the devil?

00:04:57.000 Or is it just harmless fun?

00:04:59.000 Certainly kids are doing ice raids in it.

00:05:02.000 tough times tough times for the Mexicans in roadblocks there or actually we're more likely Venezuelans I suppose in roadblocks um

00:05:24.000 Here is RFK, friend of the show, friend in general, who I've noted posts at the moment on an almost daily basis, something of practical help to you, like, don't drink oat milk.

00:05:35.000 Do you remember when they were telling us to drink oat milk?

00:05:36.000 I was sloshing that stuff like it was whiskey or champagne or something viable and trustworthy.

00:05:42.000 I was sloshing it down my neck. 0.99

00:05:43.000 I'd have been better off drinking monkeys cum. 0.98

00:05:46.000 It says here, does RFK, that God talks to human beings through many vectors. 0.98

00:05:52.000 Let's have a look at that.

00:05:53.000 What does he mean?

00:05:54.000 God talks to human beings through many vectors, through each other, through organized religions, through the great books of those religions, through wise people and the prophets and through nature.

00:06:06.000 Nowhere with such texture and grace and joy as through other human beings.

00:06:12.000 And when we cut off our relationships with other human beings, we lose that access to the divine.

00:06:18.000 And that is a healing power.

00:06:21.000 We are in a spiritual malaise in this country.

00:06:25.000 And we need to give people access to all different ways of reconnecting with something that is higher than themselves.

00:06:35.000 Certainly that seems to be a fundamental problem and challenge.

00:06:38.000 And why I feel doubly blessed is because as a person in 12-step recovery, I've been shown through the obvious metric of dependency on a chemical, in my case, heroin and crack, old school drugs.

00:06:50.000 That's like, you know, someone using a Nokia phone these days.

00:06:52.000 I know you have like fancy new fentanyl and meth that you can make at home and fentanyl that can kill you if you shake its hand.

00:06:59.000 In my day, you had to take heroin properly, like a grown-up.

00:07:02.000 You had to queue up, line up, you had to stand under a bridge, you had to go to a phone box.

00:07:05.000 Well, nevertheless, those things serve as very identifiable and recognizable false idols.

00:07:10.000 Even when you're off drugs, off off drugs, way off of drugs, and looking instead for a spiritual solution to what was always a spiritual problem, you recognize incrementally that you're probably attached to your identity, to your job, to things that might not at first look seem to be particularly negative, like food or sex or pornography or whatever.

00:07:28.000 So, what do you think of RFK's announcement that in fact there is a spiritual malaise across the United States of America?

00:07:35.000 Can you see that almost in every issue underneath it, there is a spiritual problem?

00:07:39.000 Whether it's the ICE raids and the crisis associated with those ICE raids, i.e., compassion unrooted from orthodoxy, or you could see that authority doesn't seem like it's connected to the people that are being impacted by that authority.

00:07:54.000 I'm aware that I need to clear my throat.

00:07:56.000 I can hear that.

00:07:56.000 I'm going to do it right now.

00:07:59.000 Out you come, you glorious thing.

00:08:01.000 That's probably caused by oat milk or one of the other alternatives. 0.96

00:08:04.000 There are worse white substances you could be sloshing down your neck hole.

00:08:07.000 Let me tell you that.

00:08:08.000 What do you think about the spiritual crisis in the United States of America, Dave?

00:08:12.000 Can you feel it?

00:08:13.000 Do you feel that in the last show we had, you talked about how the principles of recovery could be useful in forming new democracies?

00:08:19.000 And in our show in a minute, crack on, that's the name of it, crack on with Joe, Dave, and Russell.

00:08:26.000 We'll be talking about selfishness, the root of these problems.

00:08:28.000 Do you see your country, America, as a place that's in spiritual malaise, as described by Secretary Kennedy there?

00:08:36.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:08:38.000 I don't, maybe it has, maybe it has been for a long time, though, and we're just seeing it, we're just seeing it come out more.

00:08:46.000 I mean, I think probably most countries, most people just in general, are spiritual malaise.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, people are switched off, people have been sort of dialed down.

00:08:55.000 Yeah, actually, we're pretty blessed where we live because this part of the world where we live, people are switched on spiritually.

00:09:01.000 It's by and large a Christian community.

00:09:03.000 I've noticed the problem that you get there is where you have default Christianity, people probably don't investigate.

00:09:11.000 That's just my assessment based on living here for a year.

00:09:14.000 What I would call the darkness.

00:09:16.000 Whereas if you live in a secular culture, you may reify and even worship the darkness. 0.57

00:09:23.000 You may be trying to make an identity out of your sexuality.

00:09:26.000 You may be trying to make an identity out of your status.

00:09:29.000 And I don't say that those things aren't occurring within Christianity, but if you are a church-going Bible-reading Christian, you will at least be aware that those things are explicitly anathema and outside of the covenant.

00:09:43.000 We're living in a time of sort of radical, radical change.

00:09:46.000 But at least, I suppose, in the United States of America, loathed though he may be by the left, who, you know, for the left, for the establishment left, I mean, because I still hold a candle for the people of the left that are true radicals that are willing to sacrifice and suffer for what they believe in.

00:10:03.000 I don't mean when I say the left, I don't mean people that are really, really rich that go to fancy galas and wring their hands and bleed their hearts.

00:10:10.000 That's not the left. 0.96

00:10:11.000 The left when I was a kid was like fucking people like armed with Kalashnikovs going around Latin America starting revolutions as nature intended. 0.94

00:10:21.000 No, what I mean by the left these days is people that just will say things that are of the left. 0.96

00:10:26.000 Well, our president, your president, Donald Trump, says there's going to be a day of Christian worship on the 17th of May.

00:10:35.000 We will rededicate America as one nation under God.

00:10:38.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat, particularly if you're not a Christian.

00:10:42.000 We are going to do something that everyone said, like that's tough.

00:10:47.000 We're going to rededicate America as one nation under God.

00:10:52.000 You know, a lot of people.

00:10:54.000 I mean, maybe that's part of the reason that we're doing so well.

00:10:57.000 There's great, such great spirit.

00:10:58.000 It's all spirit and it includes religion.

00:11:01.000 I've always said you just can't have a great country if you don't have religion. 1.00

00:11:06.000 You have to believe in something.

00:11:08.000 You have to believe that what we're doing, there's a reason for it.

00:11:13.000 There has to be a reason for it.

00:11:14.000 We're all working and we're doing we're behaving.

00:11:19.000 I mean, I behave because I'm afraid not to, okay?

00:11:22.000 Because I don't want to get in trouble.

00:11:25.000 I think this geezer's authentic.

00:11:26.000 Every time, like, I drift sometimes into thinking, don't get into the false idolatry of liking Trump.

00:11:33.000 And also because I still watch a lot of content generated by people from the liberal establishment left.

00:11:39.000 I see their rage.

00:11:40.000 You know, if you watched the Grammys and then saw Trump acting like that, how do you reconcile that with their fierce vehemence and certain condemnation of him as a sort of an antichrist figure when he's personable?

00:11:53.000 When you sort of see in scripture the idea of false prophets and antichrists, you know they're going to be very sophisticated.

00:11:59.000 And like, I'm not saying that Trump isn't advanced intellectually in a variety of ways that make him effective as a president.

00:12:06.000 Plainly he is.

00:12:07.000 But he lacks a certain type of sophistication.

00:12:09.000 Do you know what I mean by that?

00:12:10.000 He's like, like, sort of going, I behave because, you know, like, look at that.

00:12:13.000 It's very sort of natural and like a normal guy in a weird way.

00:12:16.000 Like he lacks deception.

00:12:18.000 Like he eats that, you know, false pretense.

00:12:22.000 That's right.

00:12:22.000 I mean, he's too messy for it almost.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, there's an authenticity to him that he leans into that's been present with him presumably prior to his presidential campaigns, but I wasn't paying attention to him in that sort of way.

00:12:38.000 I was just, you know, he's in Omalone too.

00:12:40.000 There he is, you know, being mentioned in a rap lyric.

00:12:45.000 Like, I weren't paying it, oh, he's always wrote that book out of the deal.

00:12:48.000 I didn't really, you know, I wasn't interested like most people, I suppose.

00:12:51.000 But from the moment that he's been campaigning, right at the beginning, I'd love to watch again, Massey, we should do this actually. 0.86

00:12:57.000 We made a video, like, when I was still doing the trues, when Trump first announced and he said the thing like, like, you know, we've got rapists and racists and very bad people coming over here.

00:13:06.000 Like, when he did that, hey, my impression's improving. 1.00

00:13:08.000 Like, when like he, we did a video, like, sort of going, Trump can't be president, he's an idiot, and all that kind of stuff. 0.99

00:13:14.000 I'd like to watch that again, as a matter of fact, because what I think now is that the problems you have with Trump are the problems you have that are endemic and embedded in the system. 0.99

00:13:23.000 And even things that might be considered ghouling, like with his first term, the Muslim ban, the Muslim travel ban, right? 0.92

00:13:30.000 Or this term, the ICE stuff.

00:13:32.000 Both of those things are to do with nationhood.

00:13:36.000 But a nation is, and as a concept, includes exclusivity.

00:13:42.000 So those of you that think that those two issues in particular, the Muslim travel ban and the migration issue, are appalling.

00:13:49.000 And I speak as someone who has a great deal of compassion for people of different faiths and colors.

00:13:54.000 And I do believe in the possibility of people with different ideological and religious beliefs harmoniously living together if there is some kind of consensus, like you were saying yesterday, Jake.

00:14:05.000 As long as there is some sort of belief that this is what we're doing, like as you said, Jake was saying about 12-step programs.

00:14:11.000 Well, if you're in a 12-step program, you're there consenting that no matter what, you're not going to drink or take drugs.

00:14:18.000 Well, no matter what, you could say we love America.

00:14:21.000 But that's such a diffuse idea and you can break down every term in it.

00:14:24.000 can break down America because that's what's happening right now.

00:14:28.000 Some people are saying, no, America is a nation of immigrants and it's run by a migrant and you should have no...

00:14:33.000 And I can sort of see that and I can scripturally back that idea.

00:14:38.000 But what I suppose I'm always enchanted by in Trump is a level of authenticity that was mimicked ineffectively by Biden.

00:14:49.000 He was trying to be, I'm like a lovely old guy.

00:14:52.000 And even when Jim Kerry did him on SNL, they were trying to make it like Joe Biden's a folksy old dude, like that's like on a stoop somewhere or on a porch pontificating.

00:15:05.000 But that's not what Joe Biden is.

00:15:07.000 Joe Biden was, you know, I don't rest his soul.

00:15:10.000 I mean, he's sort of essentially dead, but like, no, he's living.

00:15:13.000 I don't mean to be mean.

00:15:14.000 Like, he's a product of Washington.

00:15:18.000 And Trump is a product of commerce, isn't he, in marketing?

00:15:20.000 But he's not a product of the swamp.

00:15:22.000 So whatever flaws he has, they're not the same sorts of flaws that you're going to get from with a Gavin Newsome, a Kamala Harris, even an AOC who seems to have become quickly embedded and mind-venomed into the system.

00:15:34.000 Anyway, there's a lot there.

00:15:35.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and the chat.

00:15:39.000 And let me know.

00:15:39.000 And also what he's saying is, I would surrender a God and I'm afraid of God.

00:15:43.000 And that's the very kind of thing that I want to hear from people.

00:15:45.000 And to tell you the truth, we could do with in the UK, particularly in this time of crisis.

00:15:50.000 And that's what we're asking today.

00:15:52.000 Are the Epstein files and the revelations of the Epstein files showing us that we need to return to Christ?

00:15:59.000 That our models of nation are broken.

00:16:02.000 In the United States, you can see that from its peculiar and broken culture.

00:16:06.000 And in the UK, you can see it from systems that are crumbling and falling apart.

00:16:11.000 You only need to look at Keir Starmer, hands shaking as he stands in parliament, trembling.

00:16:18.000 Look at those clips.

00:16:19.000 In fact, look at it now.

00:16:20.000 That clip of Keir Starmer, he's hand shaking as he apologises for Peter Mandelson and recognize that what's required is radical change.

00:16:30.000 And it's not just the Epstein files, is it?

00:16:32.000 Because Britain is a country that has, it seems, seeded to all sorts of corruption, among them sexual corruption.

00:16:41.000 I'm of course referring to the rape gang scandal.

00:16:43.000 Now, our old friends at Polymarket, who you know, they'll let you gamble on near enough anything, or at least Pontifica on anything, are saying that overnight, the odds of Christ returning have doubled.

00:16:54.000 I mean, it's still only a 4% chance, and frankly, how would Polymarket know or anyone using Polymarket from whom the aggregated data is accrued?

00:17:03.000 But whether he's likely to return or not, one thing that seems certain is that we bloody well need him.

00:17:09.000 We need him in the United States of America and we need him in the United Kingdom.

00:17:15.000 Look at this story, for example.

00:17:17.000 This is the testimony of a rape gang survivor.

00:17:20.000 And in fact, for the documentary, we should locate and find this person.

00:17:24.000 This is the testimony of a rape gang survivor.

00:17:27.000 Let's have a look.

00:17:28.000 There's a very big network in Derby, Birmingham, there's Sheffield, there's Newcastle, there's Leeds, there's Barnsley.

00:17:34.000 You get taken to say Burton.

00:17:35.000 Oh my god, I've been there quite a lot of times, like in the Midlands.

00:17:39.000 And then he'd take you to a house and then they'd send men in like a conveyor belt.

00:17:42.000 What's going on?

00:17:43.000 What is happening?

00:17:44.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you see these things as indications of the end times and see if you can kind of make the connection between, on one level, there are these low-level proletariat rape gangs and then there are these esoteric, upper-echelon sex trafficking, essentially rape gangs still, rape gangs that have as their members some of the most important and powerful people in the world who nevertheless are compromised and controlled by forces more powerful yet.

00:18:12.000 Again, in the reckoning of former MP and...

00:18:15.000 free speech hero, Andrew Bridgen, former member of parliament, that's like he was a congressman got kicked out for telling the truth.

00:18:20.000 Andrew Bridgen pointing out that some of the documentation in this recent set of releases confirmed that Epstein was a Mossad trained spy.

00:18:29.000 And then he goes on to say, bet the BBC won't report this.

00:18:32.000 They'll be sticking with the Russia-Russia narrative.

00:18:35.000 UK MSM is actually laughable.

00:18:37.000 So I suppose Epstein was close to former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak.

00:18:41.000 Barak trained as a spy under him. 0.95

00:18:42.000 Netanyahu was a criminal. 0.94

00:18:44.000 Interesting information, the kind of information that gets people killed.

00:18:49.000 So let me know if you agree with me that what the Epstein files ultimately represent is a kind of satanic power. 0.66

00:18:59.000 It's a revelation that your life and everything in it is downstream of spiritual warfare.

00:19:05.000 You are participating in it every time you make a choice, whether you reach for the candy or the pornography or for foul language and profanity, as I frequently do.

00:19:14.000 You've seen the show a bit I've cursed a bunch of times already today.

00:19:18.000 You are a participant.

00:19:19.000 You are a combatant in the spiritual war.

00:19:22.000 The environment you live in is not neutral.

00:19:24.000 It's a charged environment that wants you on low frequency activity, distracted and hypnotized continually.

00:19:32.000 The Epstein Files has brought it to the forefront and thankfully many, many people are turning to Christ. 0.77

00:19:37.000 Now I happen to believe that I've met in my own life, and this is something I'm still trying to work out, people that are not in Christ that are nevertheless holy.

00:19:44.000 To give you one specific example, Amma.

00:19:46.000 So I know there are saintly and brilliant people that are not Christian and yet I know for certain that we need Christ more than ever. 0.97

00:19:53.000 The Epstein Files shows us that.

00:19:56.000 But that's just what I think.

00:19:57.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

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00:22:31.000 These are a rare commodity these days.

00:22:32.000 These have gone up a lot.

00:22:34.000 Today, these are about $85, $90 a piece.

00:22:38.000 Would they once have been a dollar?

00:22:40.000 They have legal tender value for a dollar.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, but worth that.

00:22:44.000 You know, they haven't been worth a dollar in a long time.

00:22:46.000 But if you bought them like a year ago, they probably would have been about $20, $25 a piece.

00:22:51.000 Is it actually made of silver?

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 I really like holding this.

00:22:55.000 interesting like the way that everything's become so ethereal and abstract and digital that it makes you feel like just holding even i mean unfortunately it's not 30 pieces of silver because that's what that judas What were you thinking? 0.99

00:23:09.000 What were you thinking, Judas?

00:23:12.000 And even the Lord would have forgiven him, I understand.

00:23:14.000 Father Mike Schwitz said in the podcast I had the other day.

00:23:17.000 Anyway, so like an actual piece of silver, a silver dollar is worth $85.

00:23:21.000 So that's an interesting indication of how inflation operates and that the government does literally have a license to print money and banks print money.

00:23:28.000 And I learned that from a very reliable source, Jeffrey Epstein.

00:23:32.000 He's not a personal friend, but I did see him say it in a video.

00:23:35.000 I was on a flight with him one time.

00:23:37.000 He said, like, we were going to go to a party.

00:23:39.000 He's got an island.

00:23:40.000 I've never been to Epstein Island, Sam.

00:23:42.000 But Jeffrey Epstein is actually good on finance.

00:23:45.000 You know, he really understood that stuff.

00:23:47.000 Not so good on morality, it turned out.

00:23:50.000 Not so good on that.

00:23:51.000 But, you know, you can't have everything, can you?

00:23:53.000 So is it that you feel that our audience should be investing in silver and gold because it's a more effective way to invest, save, grow?

00:24:05.000 Why should 100%?

00:24:07.000 I think that most Americans right now sit in a position where they might have like money in the stock market or money in just paper dollars, right?

00:24:13.000 And since we've come off the gold standard, dollars have just kind of gone down and down in value because we just have money used to be backed by something, right?

00:24:22.000 It used to be backed by the gold standard.

00:24:24.000 We all kind of remember that.

00:24:25.000 And that was where the central banks and governments held gold and they said, look, this dollar is exchangeable for gold or silver as well in some circumstances.

00:24:37.000 Then in the 70s, we came off the gold standard.

00:24:40.000 And from that point, it's just, you know, at that point, gold was $45 an ounce.

00:24:45.000 Today it's at $5,000 an ounce.

00:24:48.000 So that's just like a real case scenario where dollars now are backed by absolutely nothing.

00:24:54.000 So it's what we call fiat currency now.

00:24:56.000 So it's just a currency, right?

00:24:58.000 What you're holding in your hand is money.

00:25:00.000 That's like real, what we've always used.

00:25:03.000 In the Bible, they use gold and silver for money.

00:25:07.000 Before that, it's always been evergreen.

00:25:10.000 It's always lasted.

00:25:11.000 So currencies kind of come and go.

00:25:14.000 The dollar, the pound, the yen, whatever it may be, they've come and go.

00:25:18.000 Cryptocurrencies have fallen a little bit today as well.

00:25:20.000 So these are all things that aren't really backed by anything.

00:25:23.000 But I'm holding.

00:25:25.000 I'm going to push back on two things, even though I like I fundamentally, do you know what I'm reminded of?

00:25:29.000 You know, at Christmas, when you get like gold coins, always good, wouldn't it?

00:25:33.000 It's a good stocking filler, that everything else in the stocking, what a lot of bollocks.

00:25:37.000 A tangerine, do me a favor. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Soap on a rope, fuck off. 1.00

00:25:41.000 But them gold coins, like you can actually pick his little edges and there's chocolate in there, magnificent. 1.00

00:25:46.000 Now, there's two things I want to remark on.

00:25:48.000 You know, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, as in something that bears the image of the empire or Babylon clearly belongs to that domain and that realm.

00:25:57.000 This here, you can almost sort of feel its weight and its value.

00:26:01.000 This is what I sense we might be on the edge of, Sam O'Brien, is I think we're on the edge of some seismic financial rupture.

00:26:08.000 Now, when it comes more to the sort of matters of currency exchange and value that you're discussing from your position of an expert, an entrepreneur, because your business is True Gold Republic, and you're one of the sponsors of this show, right?

00:26:21.000 You're saying that silver and gold are reliable because they're actual and they have a measurable, and I suppose to some degree, finite value.

00:26:29.000 Now, there's two people who I know would push back.

00:26:30.000 One is Max Kaiser, cryptocurrency guy, high priest.

00:26:34.000 Oh, no, cryptocurrency.

00:26:35.000 That's what he'd say like that.

00:26:36.000 Right now, I can see him.

00:26:37.000 Oh, yeah, so even silver and go, yeah, like that.

00:26:39.000 That's how you'd go.

00:26:40.000 I don't know what he'd actually say, but I know he'd say the cryptocurrency is the perfect currency because of the way that it can be communicated.

00:26:46.000 And here on Rumble now, we have a Bitcoin wallet.

00:26:48.000 And if you want to make a donation to me, do.

00:26:50.000 If you don't want to, don't.

00:26:51.000 It'll be the same to me.

00:26:52.000 I've totally detached from that kind of thing.

00:26:54.000 I've detached from it entirely.

00:26:56.000 The other thing is, my mate, Nick, Wright, self-made man, trains dogs for the government, right?

00:27:00.000 Imagine that.

00:27:01.000 Trains dogs for the government.

00:27:02.000 The government needs dogs now.

00:27:03.000 Now, he started off just as a dog trainer.

00:27:05.000 Then he ended up training.

00:27:06.000 He's a Marine, so he's double-arched.

00:27:07.000 You can't mess with him.

00:27:08.000 I do jiu-jitsu with him. 1.00

00:27:09.000 He's a right bastard. 0.99

00:27:10.000 The only thing that's surprising is how neat he keeps his beard. 0.99

00:27:13.000 Like someone that keeps their beard that neat, you think, well, he's got to care about something other than just being brutal.

00:27:19.000 Anyway, he says that Warren Buffett says, and all them high-level dudes say, just invest in the indexes.

00:27:25.000 The indexes, if you invest in the indexes.

00:27:27.000 So is this, do you, how, is this better than investing in the indexes like the S ⁇ P or whatever?

00:27:32.000 Gold has outperformed the S ⁇ P for the last 25 years, you know, substantially.

00:27:37.000 And if you look at even inflated adjustments of like how many ounces of gold it would take to buy, you know, say one chair in the SP 500, even that's massively outperformed over the last 20 years.

00:27:49.000 So yeah, if you want dividends and you want cash flow and stuff like that, then you might want to invest into the stock market.

00:27:56.000 But I think everyone can kind of see right now that the stock market is massively overinflated.

00:28:01.000 There's a lot of new money going into AI, into tech, and it's all kind of on promised future returns, right?

00:28:07.000 All these AI companies are promising the world, but in terms of like actual profit, like not that many of them have actually been proven.

00:28:14.000 So really, you know, if you want to make a million bucks overnight and you want a high-risk investment, then for sure you can do AI stocks and cryptos and whatever you may want.

00:28:24.000 But this is something which is more stable and secure.

00:28:27.000 And it's really an insurance policy is that if all else fails, then you have what you're holding in your hand, right?

00:28:33.000 And no one's going to take that away from you unless you're good at jujitsu.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, good at jiu-jitsu or they're fully armed.

00:28:39.000 And I've been learning these new techniques.

00:28:41.000 I'm learning these techniques from this guy, right, who he's a martial arts, he's a former undercover cop and martial arts expert.

00:28:48.000 And when he was one time undercover in a drug deal, the drug dealer tried to stab him and kill him.

00:28:54.000 And he realized that all of his training up to that point was of minimal value.

00:28:57.000 And he realized that what you really needed, it turns out, is how to be able to kill someone in the car with like, and he learned that and he's teaching me it.

00:29:05.000 It's actually quite hard, actually, and difficult.

00:29:08.000 And a lot of it involves pushing your head in people's faces and stuff that's quite counterintuitive.

00:29:13.000 Anyway, look, the thing is, Sam, I'm into this.

00:29:17.000 Remember, when I used to be a stand-up comedian, like, you know, for hire, I would turn up a stand-up show, do like a gig.

00:29:22.000 When someone gave you 500 quid in cash, even though that was filthy fiat currency, not worth the paper it was written on, even though there was them big brown tennis with her majesty on the queen, her majesty on them back in them days, not Charles peeping out.

00:29:35.000 Sorry, it's not worked out.

00:29:37.000 You know, proper money, right?

00:29:38.000 Back in them days, I loved it getting paid in real money.

00:29:41.000 Now, will you, oh, will you pay me for this interview in these?

00:29:47.000 We could definitely do that.

00:29:48.000 Yeah.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, Alex, I'd rather have this.

00:29:51.000 Like, then you feel like you've got something.

00:29:52.000 But I know Mike Walton, my house, my kid, if I put this in ashtray or somewhere, it says, well, my kids will nick this, but they're going to get it anyway down the line.

00:29:58.000 I can't live forever.

00:29:59.000 So, like.

00:30:00.000 But you raise a good point, though, because back then, to say that was, what, 15, 20 years ago, you would have got paid 500 pounds like in cash.

00:30:07.000 If you just put that in a safe, right?

00:30:09.000 Then £500 20 years ago was like a decent chunk of change, right?

00:30:14.000 You could maybe buy a car.

00:30:16.000 A used car.

00:30:17.000 I could get a used car.

00:30:17.000 I did.

00:30:18.000 I got a used car.

00:30:20.000 I got a used car for £400.

00:30:22.000 Exactly.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:23.000 I mean, my first car was a VW polo, £1999.

00:30:27.000 I paid £1,000 for it.

00:30:29.000 A bag of sand, get yourself a polo.

00:30:31.000 Little grand.

00:30:32.000 But now, you know, £500 would get you absolutely nothing.

00:30:37.000 You could maybe fill up your truck like twice.

00:30:39.000 So if you was paid in silver or gold 20 years ago, today, I mean, that would have gone up maybe 1,000%.

00:30:47.000 So it would have been relative.

00:30:49.000 and that's really the power of gold and silver is not getting today out tomorrow even though recently it has been moving in in crazy ways but it's about you mean crazy ways Oh, escalating.

00:31:01.000 So yeah, silver is up 180% in the last 12 months.

00:31:05.000 Gold is up 70%.

00:31:07.000 So they've both increased dramatically.

00:31:09.000 But really, you know, we don't want to preach that.

00:31:12.000 We would rather say, look, you know, think of this on a three to five year hold as a minimum, ideally more of like a 10, 15 year hold.

00:31:20.000 And that's where it's just preserving the value of your dollars because they're going to keep printing more and more money.

00:31:25.000 So, you know, put it away, forget about it.

00:31:28.000 And in 10, 15 years, it will just be relative.

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00:32:25.000 Let's think about this for a moment.

00:32:28.000 Like I'm trying to teach my children.

00:32:30.000 Like I'm teaching them when you're like when you're doing that Spanish lesson, kids, a little bit later, I'm going to want to see you talking some Spanish at me.

00:32:38.000 And like when you're doing that basketball lesson, next time you're on the court, I'm going to want to see that you aim at that top right corner or that you're able to keep your eyes up when you're dribbling, right?

00:32:49.000 Don't see everything as just some sort of irrelevant participatory exercise.

00:32:54.000 Now, imagine this.

00:32:55.000 In 10 or 15 years, think of how the world was 10, 15 years ago.

00:32:59.000 10, 15 years' time down the line.

00:33:02.000 I'm terrified to think what might be going on.

00:33:05.000 I reckon there will have been, I reckon there's going to have been wars, serious, significant wars that might have involved conscription.

00:33:11.000 I reckon there'll be the introduction of authoritarian measures and the use of technology in ways that we would consider invasive now.

00:33:17.000 And in order to bring about that invasive use of technology, I'm talking about, say, digital ID and biometrics and that sort of stuff.

00:33:23.000 They're going to use various methods of crisis.

00:33:26.000 And even if you don't believe in conspiracy theories, they'll just will by coincidence be some pandemics and wars and climate change and various crises events that are used, whether by design or by happy accident for the authorities to legitimize power. 0.98

00:33:43.000 If you've got a wealth base that's only in like banks, that shit's going to get shut down.

00:33:49.000 In a sense, so like wouldn't a party isn't a necessary partner then to holding silver or gold that it's held in a way that's inaccessible to some sort of confiscatory centralized force. 0.97

00:34:01.000 Like say me, for example, enemy of the state.

00:34:03.000 Like if I've got a bunch of silver and gold, aren't they going to go, oh, we've got to take that? 1.00

00:34:07.000 You're a pedo or something. 0.97

00:34:09.000 Well, who knows that? 1.00

00:34:09.000 You're a terrorist. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Who knows that they have that silver and gold?

00:34:13.000 That's the beauty of silver and gold, which I think is what was great about cryptocurrencies in Bitcoin when it first came out, right?

00:34:20.000 Was that it was meant to be this, this can't be controlled by governments.

00:34:24.000 This is going to be off the grid and you can make a transaction and the government don't really know what you're doing about it, which is, you know, obviously for the wrong people, that was great.

00:34:32.000 But also for ordinary citizens that don't really just want, you know, just want a degree of privacy.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 That was a great tool.

00:34:40.000 But now you have, you know, Bitcoin ETFs and people can seem to track like wallet addresses.

00:34:45.000 And, you know, this isn't my wheelhouse on cryptos, but I know that it's become a bit more transparent than what it was initially intended to be.

00:34:52.000 However, with gold and silver, you know, they're not going to confiscate it because it's not backed by the dollar's not backed by gold and silver anymore.

00:34:59.000 So you still have gold and silver in your possession in your house and no one knows that you got it and no one can take it away from you.

00:35:06.000 So you're kind of taking yourself on your own little gold standard.

00:35:10.000 And that's that's very powerful.

00:35:12.000 You know, I think that should be comfortable for a lot of people.

00:35:14.000 In some post-apocalyptic world, like one of them Denzel Washington films where he's mooching about and everything's all messed up now.

00:35:22.000 You know, Denzel Washington is mooching about.

00:35:24.000 It's all gone wrong.

00:35:26.000 You might need this in a sort of a direct way.

00:35:28.000 You might need silver and gold to train in the trade in the post-apocalyptic world.

00:35:33.000 I'm not assuming that within the next 10, 15 years, nuclear apocalypse.

00:35:37.000 I'm not assuming that.

00:35:38.000 But I am assuming significant civil unrest.

00:35:44.000 Really, what you probably want to do is get a good gold and silver basis.

00:35:47.000 You want to get some land.

00:35:48.000 You want to be heavily armed.

00:35:49.000 You want your own generators.

00:35:51.000 You probably need good skills when it comes to agriculture.

00:35:56.000 That's what I'm thinking.

00:35:56.000 That's what I'm probably going to do.

00:35:58.000 Like, I'm probably going to look to get somewhere where you can defend it and where you have some resources. 0.90

00:36:03.000 Thing is, if you're doing anything worthwhile, they're going to kill you anyway.

00:36:06.000 But the truth is, at least you want to put up a good fight.

00:36:09.000 And not all of you are going to be frontline global holy war.

00:36:12.000 Are you?

00:36:12.000 I don't know.

00:36:13.000 Maybe you should.

00:36:14.000 But you don't have to.

00:36:16.000 It's voluntary.

00:36:17.000 So if you're going to try and mooch about surviving for a bit, you know, get yourself some, I'd say, why not get some of the silver and gold?

00:36:24.000 Let me make sure I've covered everything so that you know what I'm talking about.

00:36:27.000 Physical silver.

00:36:29.000 Oh, it's physical.

00:36:30.000 What?

00:36:30.000 But didn't you bring no bars, Sam?

00:36:34.000 You could have bought some bullion, mate.

00:36:36.000 Why you got no bullying?

00:36:38.000 No, I'd have loved that.

00:36:40.000 I could only travel lightly.

00:36:41.000 How much with a guy?

00:36:42.000 Where have you come from?

00:36:43.000 Have you flown over from Croydon?

00:36:44.000 No, no, I flew from Durray Beach, Florida.

00:36:47.000 What are we doing there?

00:36:48.000 That's where I live.

00:36:49.000 You live?

00:36:50.000 Where is that, mate?

00:36:51.000 It's kind of between Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, yeah, I know around there.

00:36:55.000 I'm up and down there all the time.

00:36:56.000 Sometimes I go down to, you know, like Palm Beach is absolutely alive, innit?

00:37:01.000 You go down the breakers and them kind of places.

00:37:04.000 I like it down there.

00:37:05.000 I've been going down there because I've got, luckily now, thanks to the Holy Father.

00:37:08.000 I've got friends in the government, so I've like bowled down there.

00:37:12.000 Check them a lot out.

00:37:13.000 Got to keep, you know, when you've got the UK government trying to destroy you, you need a few allies in case it gets tasty.

00:37:19.000 All right, so listen, gold bullion.

00:37:21.000 How much for a whole right now, as of today, via True Gold Republic, mate?

00:37:26.000 What if I wanted a lump of gold bullion, like a proper gold bar?

00:37:29.000 It depends on how big, but if you wanted like a market bar, then that's a market bar is like what you see in the movie.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, movie one.

00:37:35.000 I want that.

00:37:36.000 12 and a half kilos.

00:37:37.000 I want a tobacco.

00:37:39.000 I want a tobacco gold.

00:37:41.000 That is 180,000 a kilo times 12 and a half.

00:37:45.000 So that's...

00:37:46.000 A million, about a million and a half.

00:37:48.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, so that's going to be dollars.

00:37:50.000 Dollary-do's, Yankee Doodle dollary-do's.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, so most people are buying like smaller quantities.

00:37:55.000 They're buying like one ounce coins, one ounce is about $5,000 today. 1.00

00:37:59.000 But imagine you lose that fucker. 0.99

00:38:01.000 Imagine you spent 1.5 on a great gold bullion bar and you're carrying it around like it's your baby to be friends with it. 1.00

00:38:08.000 Like, you know, when they make kids at school carry out a bag of flour so they don't get pregnant. 0.99

00:38:12.000 They go, listen, you're not ready for a baby.

00:38:15.000 Carry this bag of flour about and then by the end of the work school day, that bag of flour is all covered in juice from school in Essex where I would have grown up, where I did grow up, as far as I grew up.

00:38:27.000 Anyway, like, imagine if you decided to carry that gold bullion about as a better proxy for a child for life itself is more precious than anything conceivable.

00:38:35.000 The most precious metals, the most glorious thing.

00:38:37.000 And all of us are carrying that around.

00:38:39.000 Our mate, Rob, where are you, Rob?

00:38:40.000 What are you doing, son?

00:38:41.000 Like, our mate Rob had his grill smashed out, his Nashes from the meth.

00:38:45.000 He replaced them.

00:38:46.000 I think it was 30, 40 grand.

00:38:48.000 That's just for teeth. 0.99

00:38:50.000 So imagine what your arms and legs are worth and your kidneys.

00:38:53.000 You are a billion-dollar machine made in the image of the Holy One.

00:38:57.000 So anyway, imagine if I was carrying around gold bullion bars, like my baby.

00:39:01.000 The other actual actual babies are quite well practiced now.

00:39:04.000 I've never yet left them anywhere.

00:39:06.000 Have you?

00:39:06.000 Have you got kids yet?

00:39:07.000 No, you don't look like you've under that sort of pressure.

00:39:09.000 You're too young.

00:39:09.000 I can tell from your face.

00:39:10.000 I can tell from your face. 1.00

00:39:11.000 You've not had the shit kicked out of you. 1.00

00:39:13.000 Next year. 1.00

00:39:13.000 Good idea. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Happen next year.

00:39:15.000 Well, in the meantime, you should get yourself a gold bullion bar, right?

00:39:18.000 Carry about with you as practice, all like done up like in a nativity play and like a towel and that.

00:39:23.000 Carry it around, see how many things happen to it.

00:39:25.000 But as it's a gold bullion bar, you'll look after it well.

00:39:27.000 Then when actual children come, it'll seem like less pressure.

00:39:30.000 I've got another point on that, actually.

00:39:32.000 I've got another point on that.

00:39:34.000 What was my other point about gold bullion bars?

00:39:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:37.000 Like, what about brink mats robbery and that?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, I mean, most people, like some people, if you've got a lot of money, then obviously you might not want to keep it like in your house.

00:39:47.000 So you can vault it.

00:39:49.000 Where would you vote it?

00:39:50.000 I mean, I vault my personal vault.

00:39:52.000 You're a big file with gold.

00:39:54.000 You're a sultan.

00:39:55.000 And then we have vaults across the US.

00:39:58.000 So we have them in Nevada, brings facilities all across.

00:40:01.000 What if the government starts trying to get to the vaults?

00:40:05.000 Then that's a civil war situation.

00:40:08.000 Civil war.

00:40:11.000 It's a civil war.

00:40:12.000 But what happened?

00:40:14.000 And I think the reason why gold and silver have gone up so much in the last year is that when Russia increased, Russia invaded Ukraine.

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 So a lot of Russian assets were in dollars.

00:40:25.000 So you remember when you saw the oligarchs, the guy that owned Chelsea, they took his yacht.

00:40:28.000 No Bromovich. 0.69

00:40:30.000 We'll have that.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 That's what was happening.

00:40:32.000 And they were seizing assets that belonged to the US because they were in dollars, right?

00:40:36.000 So that created kind of a global unrest because a lot of the other countries were like, well, if they can seize dollars just because they're dollars, they're not really property of the US.

00:40:46.000 They bought them, right?

00:40:47.000 So all these other countries are looking at China, Brazil, Russia, BRICS nations.

00:40:53.000 We're all concerned about it.

00:40:53.000 I think, well, if we do something to upset the US, then they're just going to take our dollars that we paid for, right?

00:41:01.000 So that's why they stopped buying as much US treasuries and instead they started buying physical gold.

00:41:06.000 Okay.

00:41:07.000 And that way, the only way that they can come and confiscate their wealth as a sovereign nation is by marching into Moscow and saying, hey, we want to take out all that gold.

00:41:16.000 And they're not going to do that without an extra war.

00:41:19.000 So that's why central banks have been buying more gold than they've ever bought before.

00:41:23.000 And that's why you've seen prices can keep going up.

00:41:26.000 And I don't think those tables are going to turn anytime soon.

00:41:29.000 You know, Brazil, Russia, India, China, they're still looking at a gold-backed currency, 40% gold, 20% silver.

00:41:36.000 So all these things are kind of on the horizon, which is which is going to unfold.

00:41:43.000 Sam, you're probably right, I reckon, mate, that in times of seismic unrest and change and flux, things that are abstractions in themselves, like fiat currencies, which are dependent on our collective faith for their value, as our faith experience a sort of collective spasm of people like, I'm not sure I trust the government anymore.

00:42:05.000 Britain's falling apart, like our country of the UK, it's crazy, innit?

00:42:07.000 Yeah, it is.

00:42:08.000 It's gone double, double mental.

00:42:10.000 So if you actually don't trust the government, you are actually demonstrating a faith in them every time you use their units of currency in exchange.

00:42:18.000 And I suppose what this is is a way of bypassing it.

00:42:20.000 See when Sherlock Holmes goes to Watson, elementary, my dear Watson, what he's referring to.

00:42:26.000 You got it, Nikki.

00:42:27.000 We're rapping.

00:42:28.000 Like, what he's referring to is elements.

00:42:31.000 Elements are that which precedes expressions, more fundamental, more elaborate expressions.

00:42:38.000 So gold and silver, it's been around for a long while, innit?

00:42:42.000 And people that have got in the gold and silver game for the longest, those people, you can tell they're, you know, they're all caked up to the nines, aren't they?

00:42:49.000 Everyone's there all laughing.

00:42:50.000 I don't want to get into controversial territory about whether there's any particular ethnic groups that have been historically connected to gold and silver because that is not our gig.

00:42:59.000 I don't believe in that kind of, what do I want to say, an analytic.

00:43:02.000 But what I will say is, why don't you get involved?

00:43:05.000 Me, I'm going to get involved in cryptos because I feel like I like the mobility of it.

00:43:09.000 And I want my payments in this gear.

00:43:11.000 And I reckon we should invest some, let's get some nice, good chunk of it.

00:43:15.000 What my aim is, I'll tell you now, is to have a nice bullying bar.

00:43:20.000 But you're right, I'd lose it.

00:43:22.000 I'm clumsy.

00:43:23.000 So I'm going to vote it up.

00:43:24.000 And if anyone nicks it, Sam O'Brien, that's civil war, innit?

00:43:28.000 Someone comes for our vault, civil war.

00:43:30.000 Civil war.

00:43:31.000 Civil war.

00:43:32.000 Anything else you want to have, mate, before we wrap it up?

00:43:34.000 No, head over to stayfreegold.com and give us a call.

00:43:38.000 We can help you out.

00:43:40.000 If you have funds in a retirement account or if you have cash savings, you want to speak to us, you want some education on it, then we're here to help.

00:43:46.000 You provide chat and education.

00:43:48.000 And do I get, say if someone is going to buy some gold and then they buy it via you, do I get a little piece?

00:43:53.000 We can help you out.

00:43:54.000 Come on.

00:43:54.000 We'll give you a silver coin each time.

00:43:58.000 A little silver coin.

00:43:59.000 Oh, Russ, if you want to help old Russ, who's in trials and fighting the government, every time you buy one, 80 quid, but still it's better though, because it's like a little nugget.

00:44:09.000 I'm aiming at a gold bullion bar to carry around.

00:44:11.000 I'm going to dress it up.

00:44:12.000 I'm going to draw eyes on it.

00:44:13.000 You know, like, I'm going to sort of make it like a puppet from what they call it, that care bear station, what they call it, build a bear.

00:44:18.000 I'm going to get my bullion bear.

00:44:20.000 I'm going to get my bullion bar and I'm going to build a bear it up.

00:44:22.000 You know, so I'm going to have a little woolly one, make it look like a wookie. 1.00

00:44:26.000 I'm going to treasure it, literally treasure it.

00:44:28.000 Anyway, so listen, you know that this is in a sense a blend of humor, commerce and marketing.

00:44:34.000 But what Sam O'Brien's business does is facilitates brokers and advisors on the purchase of precious metals in order to mitigate and navigate the likely forthcoming economic crises brought about by governments you don't trust and globalist imperatives and incentives that don't consider your welfare.

00:44:51.000 So the information's at the bottom now.

00:44:53.000 Click the link in the description.

00:44:54.000 You've just heard every time one of you does a deal, old Russ moves a little closer to his Build-A-Bear bullion bar.

00:45:01.000 So yeah, stay free.

00:45:02.000 Sam, thank you.

00:45:03.000 You explained that very well.

00:45:04.000 Thanks, mate.

00:45:05.000 Thank you.

00:45:05.000 I appreciate your time.

00:45:06.000 No trouble.

00:45:06.000 I appreciate yours too.

00:45:07.000 Thank you.

00:45:10.000 There you go.

00:45:11.000 So, hey, prepare for the apocalypse.

00:45:12.000 Get yourself tooled up with precious metals.

00:45:15.000 We're going to be back in a second with Crack On with Dave, Russell and Joe.

00:45:19.000 No, Dave, Joe, and Russell, put yourself last, Russell.

00:45:21.000 See how hard it is.

00:45:22.000 Ironically, the subject is selfishness, a subject I know a little about.

00:45:26.000 We'll be back after this message with Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell.

00:45:30.000 There, see, I can do it.

00:45:33.000 Hey, we made some, sometimes we're just mucking around, we're making content all the time.

00:45:37.000 And this is this brilliant clip of me.

00:45:40.000 I accidentally, by mistake, crashed this car.

00:45:42.000 See, I admit it readily when I've actually done something wrong.

00:45:45.000 So, what we've done is we had to call up the insurance firm Geico.

00:45:48.000 And if you're familiar with Geico, they, in my view, racistly, use a British lizard to sort of be their spokesman.

00:45:55.000 Oh, hello, I'm a little British lizard or whatever. 1.00

00:45:57.000 Reptilians, gotta be careful of those fuckers. 1.00

00:46:00.000 Anyway, so I got that. 1.00

00:46:02.000 Liam here, he filmed me while I was on the phone to the lady, the elaborately and outrageously named, she's called her like Mary Antoinette.

00:46:08.000 She sounded like the wife of a French king from the Middle Ages or Renaissance.

00:46:12.000 I don't know.

00:46:13.000 I'm not good with that sort of stuff.

00:46:14.000 So let's have a look at that right now.

00:46:17.000 I crashed my car.

00:46:19.000 Not even crashed.

00:46:20.000 Dragged is a better word.

00:46:21.000 I dragged it along the side of another car.

00:46:24.000 Now, Geico, who have a look at this moment from the Geico ad.

00:46:28.000 Go to Geico, get a quote, and you could save $900 with your phone.

00:46:32.000 What do you notice about the way that new talks?

00:46:34.000 Got an English accent, hasn't he? 0.99

00:46:36.000 Racist. 0.97

00:46:37.000 Now that is racist.

00:46:39.000 Now, I've got to talk to Geico because we all know that when you actually make an insurance claim, you know what the subtext is.

00:46:44.000 We're not giving you that money.

00:46:46.000 We'll do anything.

00:46:47.000 We'll say anything to not give you that money.

00:46:49.000 Oh, we'd love to give you the money, but the thing is, your insurance only works on a Wednesday.

00:46:53.000 Oh, we'd have to give you that money, but your policy doesn't da-da-da-da-da.

00:46:58.000 So Jake's doing all the bit where you have to chew through the agony of bureaucracy that they put in your way.

00:47:03.000 Do you remember when they established free market economies?

00:47:05.000 Do you know what they say about communism or communism?

00:47:08.000 Too much bureaucracy.

00:47:09.000 Well, have a look at free market capitalism action.

00:47:11.000 Bureaucracy.

00:47:12.000 So much bureaucracy that thankfully Jake's willing to take the bully himself.

00:47:17.000 But at some point, I'm going to have to get on there and do it.

00:47:20.000 And this is me dealing with Geico for a very simple scratch.

00:47:23.000 You can see it on the side of my beloved truck, along with the Joe Biden as Mount C tongue and the bully holes put there by my friend Carl.

00:47:29.000 The truck nuts we have removed.

00:47:32.000 Good afternoon.

00:47:33.000 It is afternoon and good afternoon to you.

00:47:34.000 And let's start this by acknowledging we're two human beings lit up by the Holy Spirit of the Heavenly Father.

00:47:40.000 Amen.

00:47:43.000 Now, one of us, I'm not pointing the finger, is not a very good driver.

00:47:49.000 I am pointing the finger, but I'm pointing it at myself.

00:47:52.000 Now, you've made a mistake.

00:47:53.000 You've insured me, and now you're going to have to deal with the consequences.

00:47:57.000 So what happened was, I was driving along in a car park or parking lot in your accent, and I accidentally, by mistake, scratched the side of this lady's car.

00:48:07.000 She was very kind about it.

00:48:08.000 I told her I'd sort out the insurance.

00:48:09.000 I've not done that. 0.79

00:48:10.000 Now I look like a liar.

00:48:12.000 Fortunately, where she goes in church, she sits right behind Jake, who you were just on the phone to.

00:48:16.000 So the Lord has got us on this one.

00:48:18.000 But I've got to make sure Geico's got us as well as the Lord.

00:48:21.000 What's your name anyway?

00:48:22.000 It's Camille.

00:48:23.000 All right, Camille.

00:48:26.000 I don't want you.

00:48:26.000 Camille, I understand the name Camille, because of Camilla Parker Bowles in my country.

00:48:30.000 She's queen now.

00:48:32.000 But in our hearts, Diana forever.

00:48:34.000 So it's Claudine Camille Antoinette.

00:48:37.000 That is a beautiful name.

00:48:39.000 Claudine Camille Antoinette.

00:48:41.000 That's a lot of pressure, that name, actually.

00:48:43.000 You've got to basically, your life, if your life's anything short of a poem, you've, I'd say, let your mother down.

00:48:48.000 They've gotten their estimate before.

00:48:50.000 So everything.

00:48:50.000 Expensive, weren't it?

00:48:51.000 I thought it was too much, Claudine, Camille Antoinette.

00:48:55.000 I thought it was too much.

00:48:55.000 They've got big price in it.

00:48:56.000 Do you think I think people take advantage?

00:48:58.000 I think they get a scratch on the side of their car.

00:49:00.000 And even this, I know this woman's a churchgoer and a good woman and a follower of Christ Jesus.

00:49:04.000 I reckon she thought, I'm going to get the car jazzed right up now.

00:49:07.000 I won't be surprised the next time I see that car, I bet it's got speed stripes up here, like T, about one in one tool's got limousines with a jacuzzi in the back.

00:49:15.000 I bet it'll be like that now.

00:49:21.000 Sorry, father.

00:49:24.000 Yes.

00:49:25.000 Yes, ask for forgiveness.

00:49:27.000 Forgive me, Lord.

00:49:28.000 You know, yes, do not speak ill of people.

00:49:31.000 No, no, all right.

00:49:32.000 Sorry.

00:49:32.000 I do do that a lot.

00:49:33.000 I've done that a lot.

00:49:34.000 I've got to work on that.

00:49:37.000 But if it makes you feel any better, we too think that it is a bit much, so we're going to set off our own appointment and get it looked at.

00:49:47.000 Put her through the ringer, I say.

00:49:49.000 She's trying to rip us off. 1.00

00:49:52.000 She's the new Bernie Madoff.

00:49:56.000 You know, remember him, Bernie Madoff.

00:49:57.000 He nicked all those pensions.

00:50:00.000 I do.

00:50:00.000 I guess she's starting with a scratch.

00:50:02.000 Yeah, starts with a scratch.

00:50:04.000 Now, where are we?

00:50:06.000 I want him to come back.

00:50:07.000 I can't wait till the Lord comes back and renews us all.

00:50:10.000 That's what I'm looking forward to anyway.

00:50:12.000 Well, somebody has to save us from all this foolishness.

00:50:16.000 We can't do it ourselves.

00:50:17.000 Righteousness only granted by grace.

00:50:19.000 Can't save ourselves.

00:50:20.000 I've tried.

00:50:20.000 I've tried every single way, Claudine, Camille, Antoinette.

00:50:23.000 I've tried every single way to save myself.

00:50:26.000 I'll give you a list.

00:50:26.000 Drugs, alcohol, other stuff.

00:50:29.000 Now I'm clean.

00:50:30.000 23 years.

00:50:31.000 23 years.

00:50:33.000 Oh, congratulations.

00:50:35.000 I'm proud of you.

00:50:36.000 Thank you.

00:50:37.000 Thank you.

00:50:38.000 You should be proud of yourself, too.

00:50:40.000 I have to watch Pride because false pride, it gets out of control, then it turns into vanity.

00:50:44.000 All is vanity.

00:50:45.000 So I just try and stay grateful.

00:50:48.000 Can't save yourself.

00:50:49.000 Can't be done.

00:50:50.000 So we are in the process of getting that taken care of.

00:50:52.000 There were just some logistical type issues.

00:50:56.000 Oh, these are my weak spots.

00:50:57.000 These are my weak spots.

00:51:00.000 I can do it.

00:51:02.000 Claudine, Camille, Antoinette.

00:51:04.000 I've liked it talking to you.

00:51:05.000 It's one of my favourite bits of today.

00:51:06.000 And I've had a good day.

00:51:07.000 You know, Jesus is our Lord, our King, our Saviour, and our Master.

00:51:12.000 And as long as we never forget that, we're probably going to be okay.

00:51:15.000 Not probably.

00:51:16.000 He is our Master.

00:51:17.000 We are okay.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:19.000 We are okay.

00:51:20.000 Thank you for your certainty.

00:51:21.000 Thank you for your certainty.

00:51:22.000 Praise the Lord.

00:51:27.000 All right, I will.

00:51:28.000 From now on, that's it.

00:51:29.000 I'm taking that instruction.

00:51:30.000 That's because I couldn't have predicted that you were going to say that, could I?

00:51:33.000 So that's straight from the Lord.

00:51:34.000 That's from the Lord.

00:51:35.000 More certainty from now on.

00:51:36.000 I'm going to be who He wants me to be.

00:51:43.000 In your conversation.

00:51:44.000 Yes.

00:51:45.000 All right.

00:51:46.000 Because He is the truth.

00:51:47.000 So you take care of yourself and everybody else.

00:51:50.000 Yes.

00:51:51.000 Michael will get this situation taken care of.

00:51:53.000 Thank you for your excellent work and for your time today.

00:51:56.000 Camille, Claudine, Antoinette.

00:51:59.000 That's what we're here for.

00:52:00.000 God bless you.

00:52:02.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:52:02.000 God bless you.

00:52:03.000 God bless you.

00:52:04.000 Bye-bye now.

00:52:05.000 Take care of yourself.

00:52:06.000 Bye now.

00:52:07.000 Bye.

00:52:11.000 Wrong number.

00:52:12.000 Wrong number.

00:52:15.000 Waste of time.

00:52:21.000 Funny.

00:52:21.000 It'll be good if she gets fired from Geico.

00:52:23.000 We can do it.

00:52:25.000 Sorry, we have to give her a job here. 1.00

00:52:26.000 And I know what she's going to look like.

00:52:27.000 She's going to look like that in the movie Sing. 1.00

00:52:31.000 The koala got like a chameleon as its assistant. 0.99

00:52:35.000 Oh, that kind of must die. 0.86

00:52:36.000 It's strange.

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00:53:11.000 Very good.

00:53:12.000 Beautifully rendered.

00:53:14.000 Nice.

00:53:15.000 And sorry that I stepped in on that vocalizing because that was exceptional.

00:53:20.000 We're talking about selfishness today.

00:53:23.000 Joe, you've chose this subject and you've chosen us a reading.

00:53:28.000 So what is it?

00:53:30.000 Do you want to do the reading?

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:34.000 Selfishness and self-centeredness.

00:53:36.000 That we think is the root of our troubles, driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity.

00:53:44.000 We step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate.

00:53:47.000 Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably find that sometime in the past we have made a decision based on self, which later placed us in a position to be harmed.

00:53:58.000 I can remember that bit without even reading it.

00:54:00.000 I think you've told me to read it a fair few times when I've been selfish.

00:54:04.000 Or that has been the root of my trouble.

00:54:07.000 I love that reading.

00:54:08.000 Why did you make a decision based on self-will?

00:54:13.000 Is that a bit that you like?

00:54:15.000 What is it that brought it to your attention?

00:54:19.000 So what I find with this in particular is when I am in some sort of distress, usually, pretty much always, I've made a decision previously, which has placed me in a position to be armed, a decision which I made out of self.

00:54:35.000 Selfish or self-seeking motives.

00:54:37.000 And it's always after the fact. 1.00

00:54:38.000 And you think, oh, fuck, I've done it again. 0.99

00:54:41.000 And you know, after a while, you just know that's what it is. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Yeah, but it's still like, I love it.

00:54:47.000 I remember like the first person that drew that bit of writing to my attention, whenever we are disturbed, we usually find that at some point in the past, we've made a decision based on self that's put us in a position to be hurt.

00:55:01.000 It was someone that I do the program with.

00:55:04.000 And he's someone that I sponsor, actually.

00:55:07.000 So when he said that to me, I felt like, oh, I didn't like having that sort of thrown in my face very much.

00:55:13.000 And like, and also in that confronting.

00:55:15.000 So like, if you're not a person in recovery, think about this.

00:55:17.000 Is there anything?

00:55:18.000 This is the process.

00:55:19.000 Is anything bothering you right now or are you all right?

00:55:22.000 Right.

00:55:23.000 Either it's like, no, I'm all right.

00:55:24.000 Nothing's bothering me.

00:55:24.000 That's cool.

00:55:25.000 Proceed to the next part of life, increasing your conscious contact with God and serving others.

00:55:31.000 Right?

00:55:32.000 But if it's like, no, I am bothered.

00:55:33.000 Something's bothering me.

00:55:34.000 Right.

00:55:35.000 Then you do this trick.

00:55:36.000 You go, well, at some point in the past, you have, not someone else, you're not in jail.

00:55:41.000 You're not in the Holocaust. 0.70

00:55:43.000 You have made a decision made on based on self that's put you in a position to be hurt.

00:55:48.000 And like, that's very, very confronting in a way, isn't it?

00:55:53.000 Yeah, and freeing. 0.91

00:55:54.000 When you go through it, I think is after you've done that summit first, I mean, I don't know if it ever doesn't suck.

00:56:03.000 But when you look at it, it allows you not to be a victim.

00:56:08.000 You know, it allows you to not stay in that where you're going, okay, what?

00:56:12.000 I mean, we went through it two weeks ago with you.

00:56:15.000 I mean, you walked through an inventory with it and we're just looking at, okay, did I place myself in this position in some sort of way?

00:56:22.000 You know?

00:56:23.000 Yeah, we did, didn't we?

00:56:24.000 We did do it.

00:56:24.000 Yeah.

00:56:25.000 And so I was angry about something.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, and I think it's that you don't really see this until you do it with something.

00:56:33.000 It's a practical, but when you look at it and you go, okay, well, you know, someone treated me a certain said something to me or treated me a certain sort of way or whatever.

00:56:43.000 It's like, I've placed, I've made decisions, a lot of times multiple decisions in the past that place me in this position for that to happen.

00:56:52.000 But what I like is that caveated subclause based on self.

00:56:58.000 I love that.

00:56:59.000 It's like, you know, like you confront someone with like, see that, there's two things I want to say.

00:57:04.000 One is people these days seem to cover and cherish a victim identity and a victim mentality.

00:57:10.000 It's been promoted because in a sense, we want to be a victim of Christ.

00:57:14.000 We want to be his victim.

00:57:16.000 We want God.

00:57:17.000 We want to be his quarry.

00:57:18.000 We're here for God, only God.

00:57:20.000 If you put it into step 11, conscious contact with God would mean that you're so consciously in contact with God that you ain't got nothing else but God left, right?

00:57:29.000 Like John the Baptist said, I must become less, he must become greater, right?

00:57:34.000 But these days, victimhood is still attached to your personal identity.

00:57:39.000 This happened to me.

00:57:40.000 That happened to me.

00:57:41.000 Now, if you say to someone who's in that mindset and we are all capable of it, have you made a decision, a selfish decision in the past that's generated this dilemma that you're in?

00:57:52.000 I think a lot of people don't like it.

00:57:54.000 People don't like to be told, you're not a victim, you're selfish. 0.56

00:57:58.000 You're selfish.

00:57:59.000 Now, think of all of us, right? 0.96

00:58:00.000 That come in.

00:58:01.000 We all come in via the chemicals and the booze, say, not all of us, but most of us.

00:58:05.000 And then you start to look at codependency, that what you're addicted to is what other people think of you, your ability to control the people in your life.

00:58:15.000 Then, like, you start, I feel the charge in the air, man, when you hit, because then you're talking to people that haven't bottomed out on drugs and alcohol, so haven't got that baseline of teachability.

00:58:26.000 Like, luckily, all of us that have bottomed out on drugs and alcohol, we're like, okay, I know how this can get.

00:58:32.000 I get suicidal.

00:58:32.000 I know how this can get.

00:58:34.000 I suffer from suicidalism.

00:58:36.000 So if I feel the edge of that quiver on me, I become kind of teachable, obviously, and still, even with abstinence from substances.

00:58:46.000 But like, so how do you, Dave, in relationship and even in sponsorship, guide people through that?

00:58:55.000 And have you got an example of how it can be surprising?

00:58:58.000 You too, Joe, I'll come to you after if you want, mate.

00:59:01.000 Like, when people are being selfish and they would never think that that's what they're doing.

00:59:06.000 Well, yeah, there's a lot there.

00:59:09.000 I think one thing is, is I know with me, when it comes to me, it's almost Jahari's window or whatever.

00:59:16.000 It's that where there's parts of me that I can't see that other people can outside of me.

00:59:23.000 And I watch Jahari's window.

00:59:24.000 I don't know what that means.

00:59:25.000 It's like a quadrant where it's like, okay, there's things in me that I see that other people can.

00:59:32.000 There's things in me that I see that other people can't.

00:59:36.000 There's things I see in other people that they can't.

00:59:38.000 And I think that's the four.

00:59:40.000 And yourself, there's stuff you can't see it, but other people can't.

00:59:43.000 That I don't, I'm, I'm in, like, I'm too close, right?

00:59:47.000 It's, it's, it's having someone that's removed from it looking outside.

00:59:52.000 Like Joe, I tell, if I told 10 steps something with Joe and tell him, hey, you know, I'm mad at this person and so forth, Joe will probably be able to see, especially just being in recovery and knowing himself for so long, he'll probably be able to see some things that I just, it's almost, I just can't quite get there.

01:00:10.000 So I think sponsorship and other people is a key part of that with myself.

01:00:16.000 And it's a key part of humbling myself because if I just try and deal with it myself, then in a way I could be playing God and still be, you know, living in so, oh, I'm going to take care of my own problem.

01:00:29.000 I'm not going to let anyone else see my mistakes and see where I'm at fault.

01:00:33.000 And so inviting someone else in, which is part of the problem, which is self, inviting someone else in to look at it and go, okay, Dave, it sounds like, did you start asking questions?

01:00:46.000 Because a lot of it comes down to motives.

01:00:49.000 Motives.

01:00:50.000 Yeah.

01:00:50.000 Based on self.

01:00:52.000 Based on self means your motive was selfish, right?

01:00:55.000 100%.

01:00:56.000 And my motive, even it can be a normal action, but my motive was to get praise from someone or to manipulate someone in some sort of way, or I do something nice so that I can get it.

01:01:10.000 And then I have expectations.

01:01:12.000 There's going to be all sorts of motives in it.

01:01:14.000 And so having someone that understands themselves that's been in recovery, when you tell them things and as a sponsor doing it with sponsees, usually just asking some questions right, you can't get to it without the details of some sort.

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01:02:24.000 That's right, though, isn't it?

01:02:29.000 In the Great Divorce, the C.S. Lewis book, it depicts a journey from purgatory to heaven, and each of the characters accompanying the protagonist have encounters with heavenly beings, sometimes people that they knew in life.

01:02:43.000 And always the encounters lead to this kind of confrontation where the people that are visiting heaven from purgatory are forced to assess whether or not they're willing to let go of some cherished belief or they're like, nah.

01:02:59.000 For example, it's like someone who's like lost a kid, right?

01:03:03.000 And like they meet someone on the other side.

01:03:05.000 I don't think it is the kid.

01:03:06.000 I think it's their former spouse or whatever.

01:03:09.000 And like the person's like, hey, up here, that don't matter because we're all united.

01:03:13.000 And the person's like, but it shouldn't have happened.

01:03:15.000 It shouldn't have happened.

01:03:16.000 They're completely unwilling to relinquish the false God of their own emotion. 0.65

01:03:19.000 And what I've got from what you were saying there, Dave, is about masked agendas.

01:03:24.000 And that exists in family dynamics always.

01:03:27.000 Always, it seems.

01:03:28.000 So like you, some of the people that are raising you and love you, like if you go to them, no, but you were doing that for yourself, they'd be like, no, I wasn't like that's the worst thing you could say to them.

01:03:37.000 They will not want to hear that.

01:03:39.000 They'll say, that's because I loved you and I was trying to protect you or whatever.

01:03:42.000 There was something like that.

01:03:43.000 And you'll go, no, actually, you were doing that for yourself.

01:03:45.000 They don't want to hear it.

01:03:47.000 And maybe it's not our job to tell them.

01:03:48.000 Joe, what are you thinking, mate?

01:03:50.000 Yeah, I was just thinking on what Dave said there.

01:03:53.000 You know, like, if I'm disturbed, right?

01:03:56.000 Really disturbed.

01:03:58.000 I'm at a place now where I'll have to ring.

01:04:02.000 I'll have to ring someone, right?

01:04:03.000 I'd have to speak to like yourself or Dave.

01:04:06.000 And I know that I'm wrong, right?

01:04:09.000 Fundamentally, I'm wrong because I'm disturbed.

01:04:12.000 But I know I can't see it, but I know I'm wrong.

01:04:15.000 If I wasn't wrong, I wouldn't be disturbed because it's still something external.

01:04:19.000 I need to speak to someone else to see how I'm looking at this wrong, how I've made mistakes.

01:04:24.000 Because although in my head, it's that person or that thing, I've chosen it to be that person or that thing, and I'm the one suffering, right?

01:04:33.000 And I think previous to doing a step four and five, like your inventory in that, you don't know that stuff, right?

01:04:41.000 And you've lived your whole life drinking and drugging or whatever, like a lifetime of it, living with these set of beliefs that you're wronged by them, the state, this, that, and everything else, a victim of circumstance.

01:04:54.000 Although, like, it's so liberating doing an end column with your step four and five.

01:05:01.000 It's like it don't just change.

01:05:02.000 It don't just shift straight away.

01:05:04.000 Like, it's, I think it takes years and years and years of repeating the same mistakes and running it through the same process again to see that it's just pure selfishness still.

01:05:14.000 And like, I think when you start sponsoring people, you get to recognize that because you see the same mistakes that you're making or the same mistakes that you made, you know.

01:05:23.000 But it's a lifetime's work, innit?

01:05:26.000 I think I'm a lot better at it now.

01:05:27.000 It's safe if I do.

01:05:28.000 You're doing really good, actually.

01:05:30.000 I'm like, what I'm trying to do, right, is in prayer in the morning, I'm really trying to sincerely invite Christ as deeply as I can conceive of into myself and go like, I know this too is search me.

01:05:43.000 Like there's a psalm that says that.

01:05:45.000 In fact, you found it the other day, Dave, when we were working out that inventory process for how to convert into Christian terminology, 12-step recovery.

01:05:54.000 Many psalms talk about search me, Lord, like shine the light right in me and find what it is in me I'm doing wrong.

01:06:03.000 A lot of people like that are almost adjacent to that cosmic order in what you might call woo-woo BS are all about almost saying, and I think there's truth in this to tell you, if I'm honest, that when you have learned the lesson that a problem is trying to teach you, the problem will go.

01:06:22.000 Like if you have continual economic trouble, there's something in there that you're not learning.

01:06:29.000 Because part of you, don't you know that money is abundant?

01:06:33.000 It's abundant.

01:06:34.000 It's everywhere.

01:06:35.000 People are making so much money out of so much stuff.

01:06:38.000 So what is it in you that you're not doing?

01:06:41.000 And when you were talking to Ed Joe about inventorying, you said something like it's all happening in your own head.

01:06:47.000 And like one of the things I learned off that Tim M, who we talk about a lot, was I said something like, I said something like this.

01:06:54.000 Sometimes I feel like all the people in my life are kind of concoctions, characters, just figures that I'm almost creating to teach me something.

01:07:04.000 Like they're almost not even there at all.

01:07:07.000 A bit like when you're a kid and you think that you're in some sort of synthetic reality and even your parents are automatons being played out by some sort of diabolical synthetic entity.

01:07:16.000 You know, so like in that state, egos Tim M did.

01:07:22.000 Have you been reading Course in Miracles?

01:07:24.000 And at that point I hadn't been, but now I have been.

01:07:27.000 And sort of what it shows you is that it is always you.

01:07:33.000 It is always you.

01:07:35.000 Like you do an inventory and you recognize, oh, that problem I had when I was seven or twelve or twenty or twenty-five has been playing out in new environments, just sort of spiraling around, pulling in new data, new magnetism.

01:07:50.000 And like I'm because I'm refusing to change.

01:07:53.000 Now, one of the answers that might suggest itself is a kind of monasticism.

01:07:57.000 Like you might go, I'm out, man.

01:07:58.000 I'm just going to go live somewhere and not interface with this anymore.

01:08:02.000 I'm just going to be in solitude and prayer.

01:08:04.000 Like in the stillness with Christ is the only place where I might be absolved and where I might be sanctified and therefore receive salvation.

01:08:13.000 But I do believe the path like for us, you know, it's the one we're walking, you know, innit?

01:08:20.000 It's the one we're walking. 0.56

01:08:22.000 It's not fucking mysterious. 0.99

01:08:25.000 If you are in the Florida panhandle presenting an online TV show while awaiting trial in the UK and you know in your heart of hearts you're not a rapist, but you were a right little womanizer. 0.99

01:08:35.000 That's your path. 0.85

01:08:37.000 That is it.

01:08:38.000 It's not like...

01:08:38.000 Hypothetically.

01:08:40.000 I don't know who that would apply to.

01:08:42.000 I was speaking.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, that is me.

01:08:46.000 Wait a minute.

01:08:47.000 This is all adding together.

01:08:49.000 But like, so like, anyway, I thought it might be helpful, right?

01:08:52.000 Just so that we don't jargonize this.

01:08:54.000 Remember, but can I just say we should tell people, first column, who did something to you?

01:08:58.000 Was it mum, dad, bloke in the street?

01:09:00.000 Second column, what did they do?

01:09:02.000 Third column, what area of self is affected?

01:09:05.000 Fourth column, eight questions.

01:09:07.000 In that third column, is it your pride?

01:09:08.000 Is it your self-esteem?

01:09:10.000 Is it your personal relations?

01:09:11.000 Is it your sexual relations?

01:09:12.000 Is it your ambitions? 0.66

01:09:13.000 Is it your finances?

01:09:14.000 Is it your security?

01:09:16.000 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

01:09:18.000 Dave, what were we going to say?

01:09:20.000 And you said finances.

01:09:22.000 Yeah.

01:09:23.000 Yeah, I changed it from pocketbooks because it's not the old days.

01:09:26.000 Hand me old pocketbooks.

01:09:29.000 Oh, like pocketbook.

01:09:31.000 Have you ever done an inventory with someone that they just couldn't get free of it?

01:09:36.000 Like, there was no part that they could find that was their selfishness or their fault in it, and they just could not get free.

01:09:46.000 Have you?

01:09:48.000 Answer is: I've had guys that choose not to, but it becomes apparent, right?

01:09:56.000 And I've had guys, I mean, you can be a true victim in something.

01:09:59.000 Like where it's, man, I was a kid.

01:09:59.000 Yeah.

01:10:01.000 I was a baby, you know, and I mean, something happened, but then it's, you know, there's a place in it.

01:10:09.000 It's like, okay, but now you're a grown man.

01:10:13.000 So you're talking about something when you're a baby, but now you're a grown man, still angry about this and doing it.

01:10:18.000 And then also, what does that resentment do for you?

01:10:21.000 What is that?

01:10:22.000 Oh, well, it allows you to stay a victim.

01:10:26.000 This is how you play God.

01:10:27.000 Sometimes we're not aware of how sophisticated and obscure the currency of victimhood might be. 0.99

01:10:34.000 For example, when I was a baby, not a baby, seven or eight, this fellow, he put his hand down the back of my pants, touched my a-hole and my balls and my dick, right? 0.99

01:10:42.000 That's called sexual abuse. 1.00

01:10:44.000 Now, like, but that ain't happening now.

01:10:48.000 It ain't happening now.

01:10:49.000 I wish it would.

01:10:51.000 That's a joke.

01:10:52.000 Not of him, filthy old bastard. 1.00

01:10:54.000 Like, right? 1.00

01:10:55.000 So, but, like, I've used that in a variety of ways.

01:11:00.000 Well, not even directly him.

01:11:03.000 I remember the jarringness.

01:11:04.000 Sexual abuse is really, really bad, particularly against children, because I can really remember the jangle of the reality thread.

01:11:12.000 Like, there's like a thread or a field of who you are.

01:11:15.000 And when someone does that, it goes like it's messes with who you are.

01:11:19.000 So maybe all that adrenochrome and loose stuff, maybe there's something to it.

01:11:22.000 But then, like, what, where I've held on to the resentment and utilized the resentment almost in precisely the way that you're describing is in my own depiction of my life and my relationship with my parents.

01:11:35.000 Like, when I told them, you know, my parents weren't together independently, I goes, hey, that, when I was at that thing there with that man, he touched me up.

01:11:45.000 And like, no one did anything.

01:11:47.000 No one did anything.

01:11:49.000 And I've like from my, obviously, my whole life, almost up to this moment, like I can feel a level of, why not?

01:11:56.000 Like, because I've got kids now.

01:11:58.000 And if Mabel or Peggy tells me that happened, like my very next, it will take everything in me that my very next step is to make the distance between that person being dead and the moment I'm in disappear.

01:12:11.000 I'm going to collapse that distance of that person being dead and the moment I'm in now.

01:12:16.000 Gone.

01:12:16.000 That person's dead now.

01:12:18.000 Whatever needs to be undertaken, the phone calls, the conversations, the consequences, you know, and I know that ain't right.

01:12:23.000 I know that ain't right.

01:12:24.000 But where did, you know, in myself, where did that feeling go in my parents?

01:12:30.000 It's somewhere.

01:12:33.000 You know, that energy is somewhere.

01:12:35.000 Yeah, it's not that people, people going to make every, people are sick, like, just like us.

01:12:42.000 I love how when it says they were sick just like us.

01:12:46.000 Just a reminder of, you're not putting judgment on them of like, oh, well, you know, like I'm above them.

01:12:53.000 It's like, no.

01:12:55.000 Whoever like harmed you or.

01:12:57.000 I've got no problem with him. 0.99

01:12:59.000 He's dead in the ground. 0.64

01:13:00.000 Who cares?

01:13:01.000 Yeah.

01:13:02.000 But I think it's where your part is is you want to find, here's the thing.

01:13:09.000 If you want to get free of it, you can.

01:13:13.000 And there's nothing that I want to hold on to me.

01:13:17.000 Because if you hold on to that, you're going to stay in that pattern of play.

01:13:20.000 If I hold on to it, I'm going to stay in that pattern of playing God.

01:13:23.000 And I learned the pattern in step four and five.

01:13:26.000 I do agree with Joe.

01:13:28.000 It's hard just picking this up off the cuff if you don't know yourself at that level.

01:13:33.000 Well, yeah, because precisely, even talking about this now, I can feel a charge in it.

01:13:36.000 So that means there's a level in me that isn't part of my generalized interactive persona.

01:13:42.000 There's a level of my, you know, that I've submerged that somewhere molecularly or unconsciously or whatever your preferred refrain and lexicon might be.

01:13:42.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 Like, but still, there's a charge in it.

01:13:52.000 So I've not fully gone like how Mooji was. 0.97

01:13:55.000 Mooji's like a spiritual teacher I met once.

01:13:57.000 Like he, I could see when he was talking about himself, he was like, I have no connection to that person that I was when I was, because I was asking him about stuff in his childhood.

01:14:04.000 He says, it's not who I was.

01:14:05.000 I'm dead.

01:14:06.000 That guy's dead.

01:14:07.000 But like, see that, Joe, when I'm talking about like sort of essentially, that's like, you know, when people don't know recovery, they would need to know now that what I'm talking about is when you do a step four and five resentment, these are what you call like, these are like pillar resentments.

01:14:20.000 If you've been sexually abused, if someone's really badly beat you up, or even it doesn't have to be even that dramatic, it can be quite small things or quite generalized things.

01:14:28.000 It's not a league table.

01:14:30.000 It's about your own personal what these hooks are that keep you attached, I suppose, to your wounded identity, your Adamic identity, your Earthman, your Dirtman identity. 0.92

01:14:41.000 Mate, what do you think about that?

01:14:43.000 How do you deal with it in yourself and how do you deal with it in others?

01:14:46.000 And can you sort of, while that little exchange was taking place, did you feel any charge of it bringing up anything in you?

01:14:53.000 Yeah, I was just, I was thinking about what Dave said there, you know, although we don't like the symptoms of the other person, is what it says in the big book, right?

01:15:03.000 So we realized that the people who wronged us were wronged us were perhaps spiritually sick, though we did not like their symptoms and the way they disturbed us, like ourselves, were sick too.

01:15:15.000 We asked God to help us show them the same tolerance and pity and patience we would cheerfully grant a sick friend.

01:15:21.000 And I was told that, like, a mate of mine, John Mulloy, told me it's like walking around a psychiatric unit and judging people if you're getting it, you're getting resentments in AA meetings and that.

01:15:31.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:15:32.000 I do do that though.

01:15:33.000 I'd be in a psychiatric unit and an AA meeting. 1.00

01:15:36.000 If I was in a psychiatric unit, I'd go, you're fucking lunatic, you stop wanking. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Like with the example you used there, Russell, that's that's real hard. 1.00

01:15:45.000 That's like, that's top, top level resentment, innit?

01:15:48.000 And I don't, I personally don't think that'll ever go, but I think when it comes around again, you can always refer back to your end column.

01:15:54.000 Like, I'm making a mistake, it's not happening to me now, I'm not a victim anymore.

01:15:58.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:15:59.000 But like, it says, and some people suggest in the literature that you have to be free of the resentment before doing the end column.

01:16:09.000 Like, you have to have that bit of tolerance there. 0.95

01:16:11.000 Like, these people are sick.

01:16:13.000 We're all children of God. 1.00

01:16:14.000 All the fucked up things I've done, who am I to judge? 0.97

01:16:17.000 I don't want to feel like this. 0.98

01:16:18.000 I don't want to feel like this.

01:16:20.000 I want to be free of it.

01:16:21.000 Please, God, help me.

01:16:22.000 Show me how to be tolerant towards these people.

01:16:24.000 Then you're ready to move on to look at the exact nature of your wrongs.

01:16:28.000 But it's very difficult, especially with stuff like sexual abuse and that, you know.

01:16:33.000 Really, that ain't ever going to go, I don't think.

01:16:35.000 But I think you can stop it damaging you further.

01:16:39.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:16:40.000 Or damaging others, isn't it?

01:16:42.000 Yeah, or damaging others.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:44.000 See, forgiveness, I keep learning about forgiveness, right?

01:16:47.000 I keep not learning about it, being prompted to learn about forgiveness.

01:16:51.000 I was thinking about, even though we joked about this the other day, and it's a sort of really silly, silly device, the device of breaking down a word on the superficial level to try and discern its meaning.

01:17:01.000 We were joking about it the other day when we were watching football because the new Chelsea FC manager, Liam Rose Sr., son of the great Lee Roy Ross Sr., uses a lot of David Brentish breakdowns of words, including, he said, I'm a manager.

01:17:17.000 I manage.

01:17:19.000 I age men.

01:17:21.000 I make them more aged.

01:17:23.000 I manage them.

01:17:25.000 Like, that's not what manage means at all.

01:17:27.000 Like, that's not a good version of it, right?

01:17:30.000 And then, like, Joe was saying, he's getting them all playing Lego, like, you know, and I reckon that's because Beckham was right into Lego, isn't it?

01:17:35.000 But you know that he'll be giving them Lego sets, the Chelsea squad, and God knows he should give them something, right?

01:17:41.000 And like, sits them down with a Lego and go, Okay, guys, we're gonna do something unusual today when we're using Lego.

01:17:47.000 Make something, you know, like we're making a team because a team's got many, many blocks: red ones, blue ones, yellow ones.

01:17:55.000 But out of it, we must make a construction together, whether that's the lion of Chelsea or the Hermes of West, right?

01:18:02.000 And then we also go in like Lego, but it would go, Leg, go.

01:18:06.000 You've got to let go of your problems.

01:18:09.000 And you're a footballer, so you've got to make your legs go quickly down the right and left to distribute the word. 0.88

01:18:15.000 Like, it's so silly, that stuff, innit?

01:18:18.000 But I was thinking, like, atonement is one where it works really well because atonement at one moment is nice.

01:18:24.000 And when I think of Christ's atonement and atoning, you're bringing together disparate, broken, and potentially charged and jarring fractions and fragments into a unity coming from the Godhead.

01:18:39.000 Forgiveness, though, right, it's a weird word, forgiveness, and it has got in it for give.

01:18:45.000 Like, it's got these two sounds that we are really commonplace in our language, for give.

01:18:52.000 So, I suppose the word forgiveness, like we all know what it's meant to be, because we all say forgive us our trespasses, forgive us our sins, and all of that.

01:18:59.000 And it is by forgiving that we are forgiven in the St. Francis Prayer.

01:19:03.000 We all know that this concept of forgiveness is meant to mean someone does something and you go, I'll let you off.

01:19:09.000 I'll let go of my charge of negativity around this transgression, real or imagined.

01:19:16.000 But I'm wondering if we try to sort of remystify, because people talk about demystifying things as if mystification is a fucking problem when the mystery is fundamental to all reality.

01:19:28.000 To mystify forgiveness, aren't you kind of saying that forgiveness is a currency that in order to participate in the currency of forgiveness, you have to forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us?

01:19:43.000 Like, if I need to be forgiven for the many, many wrong things I've done in my own life, that I have to enter into that economy via my forgiveness of all people.

01:19:56.000 And in so doing, what does that suggest?

01:19:58.000 Does that suggest that I'm no longer a solid block called Russell?

01:20:02.000 I am rather a channel and vessel of exchange and transaction.

01:20:07.000 What do you think, Dave?

01:20:08.000 I think one I think when you talk about it that way, I think of letting them go, letting them go off the charges.

01:20:16.000 Almost think of it like in a court way.

01:20:18.000 And what I'm really saying is, I'm not the judge.

01:20:22.000 Uh-huh.

01:20:23.000 Like, I'm not the one to hold them on charges.

01:20:27.000 I'm not the one.

01:20:28.000 And in a way, it's when I'm forgiving them, I'm really letting myself out of prison.

01:20:33.000 I mean, that's the deal.

01:20:35.000 When I have, if I have a resentment towards Joe and I'm just stewing on it, and I love how, I love how in the big book it talks about fancied or real, because a lot of the hardest ones I've dealt with are all fancied.

01:20:48.000 Do one, do a fancied one.

01:20:50.000 Tell us one of your fancied ones.

01:20:53.000 Let me think like you fancy yourself that you'd been like in a zoo as an exhibit as a Texan.

01:20:58.000 Was it to do with foster homes?

01:21:00.000 What are your fancied resentments?

01:21:02.000 A fancy one would be like me coming home and, you know, Francesca's not feeling good or something.

01:21:11.000 And then I think, well, in my head, I think, well, she doesn't appreciate me.

01:21:18.000 She's, in fact, she's downright disrespectful. 1.00

01:21:22.000 And look at everything I've done.

01:21:24.000 And then I start just rolling it.

01:21:26.000 Like I've done this.

01:21:27.000 I've done this, I've tried so hard and I'm pretty soon I have this whole thing up and she's.

01:21:31.000 And then she'll come to me and say hey, can I talk?

01:21:34.000 Like, can we talk for just a minute?

01:21:36.000 I'm just man, I'm worried about this other thing and it had nothing to do with me, but I've fainted.

01:21:42.000 I've built it up in my head that it was about me self right and I've built this up, and so a lot of things are just like built up in in someone's head or my head.

01:21:54.000 But I think if forgiveness, I think of I'm, I'm taking that position, I'm in the wrong position.

01:22:00.000 That's the whole thing is going.

01:22:01.000 Man, I've been playing God in my life.

01:22:03.000 I'm not God and I'm not gonna play that role anymore.

01:22:06.000 I'm backing out as the actor, which this actor comes up right after the passage we just read, hold on, so you're saying that, for in forgiveness is the acknowledgement.

01:22:16.000 You started off by saying that you're not judge, but you've ended up by saying you're not God, so there's a kind of humility in it, and that in order to withhold forgiveness, you are, unconsciously or otherwise, situating yourself in this position of adjudication that you ain't men of being anyway, you're not meant to be adjudicating.

01:22:36.000 That ain't your right role, which is good for me too, because I don't want the judgment on me.

01:22:43.000 You know in, in that sense, if I'm gonna I mean Jesus says it you know if you're gonna judge other people, use the same measure of judgment towards yourself.

01:22:51.000 But I think also, when you're talking about for and give another thought, is with the program dis disease, dis-ease right, when I am at unease when when, when I'm off, where something's blocking me off, is really what I'm gonna tent step that stuff over and what we're talking about now.

01:23:14.000 I think that I think, after a while of doing it, it is so freeing that you don't want to stay.

01:23:23.000 You don't want to keep resentments, you don't want to.

01:23:25.000 Yes, there's parts of me that always wants to keep it and not look at my stuff and but.

01:23:30.000 But there's a bigger part of me that goes, man, I got to talk to someone, I got to get, I got to shake this off.

01:23:36.000 Very good, I can't hold on to this.

01:23:37.000 You're sort of as, in a way. 0.98

01:23:39.000 I see you Massey, I'll come to you in a second my man, like in a sex, in a in a in a way, you're.

01:23:44.000 It sounds like you're suggesting that this you're an analyst, analysis of this idea of forgiveness is moving yourself from a position of judge to a position of witness like that in your own life.

01:23:59.000 Almost you recede from like i'm here in the front line dealing with all this to just i'm sort of just watching this.

01:24:06.000 I know how it ends, i'm gonna die, everyone I love is gonna die.

01:24:10.000 It's all over, it's all out.

01:24:11.000 You know it's gonna end.

01:24:12.000 Like i'm not gonna sort of stand in the middle of it, like i'm trying to mitigate, manage or control it, like as if there's something I can do, i.e that aspect of Christ that's it is done, it is finished is like right right now, get yourself in alignment to receive the signal you're it's done.

01:24:30.000 After Adam was breathed into, I have expired, it is finished.

01:24:34.000 You, all you have to do is receive the gift of the holy spirit, and And in order to receive the Holy Spirit, you can't be all full of rustleness, going, all right, what if we do this?

01:24:43.000 And what about that? 0.99

01:24:43.000 I'd like to have sex. 0.99

01:24:45.000 Like, you know, you'll shoot, you'll drown out. 1.00

01:24:47.000 You're drowning it out, you mad fucker, with all of the sort of shash and cacophony of selfhood. 0.99

01:24:54.000 Whereas in forgiveness, like if you're able to forgive someone for sexually abusing you when you was a kid and also forgive your parents for not knowing how to handle it, your frequency is necessarily moving up above the noise of, yeah, but that shouldn't have happened. 0.99

01:25:12.000 Well, why would you do that?

01:25:13.000 And if it was my kid, all of that's a lot of racket.

01:25:17.000 That's a lot of racket and bin.

01:25:19.000 That's a sort of din of self all bouncing about inside you when you need to be in the flow and openness of witness consciousness.

01:25:26.000 Massey, do your, what are you saying, mate?

01:25:29.000 I'm reading this book called Debt the First 5,000 Years that my uncle gave me.

01:25:33.000 He's trying to make a point about something.

01:25:34.000 Anyway, you guys probably already know this, but it's worth reiterating.

01:25:38.000 Forgive comes from the old English forgifan, meaning to give up or allow to go free.

01:25:43.000 So it actually comes from language of forgiving debts themselves, not forgiving people.

01:25:48.000 That's where it came from.

01:25:49.000 And then he started talking about forgiving people themselves for deeds they've done against you.

01:25:54.000 The whole idea is that when someone's wronged you or you think someone's wronged you they owe you something They've taken a part of you or something like that and by forgiving that there You're basically saying that person is by forgiving that person you saying they're no longer in debt to you for what they've done basically The fundamental Christian idea is that you are unable to repay the debt.

01:26:14.000 You are unable to.

01:26:15.000 The debt has been paid for you.

01:26:17.000 So the concept of monetary debt does not proceed, supersede and provide us with an understanding of spiritual debt.

01:26:24.000 It comes from that concept.

01:26:26.000 So it's, you know, we get the chicken before the egg sometimes, or vice versa, difficult to know.

01:26:31.000 But the point is this.

01:26:33.000 When Neil Oliver, our beloved friend of the show, talked about the excavation of some tin mine in Cornwall from millennia ago, they found that the miners, presumably Celtic or Druidic, Lord alone knows what their religion was of these people mining tin, you know, thousands of years ago.

01:26:51.000 But they would leave little bowls and effigies in the mine as an acknowledgement, we have taken this and therefore we leave this.

01:27:02.000 So on some very deep level, we recognize that there is a transaction or at least relationship taking place and that there is a requirement that sort of somehow matches the concept of debt and credit.

01:27:16.000 Throughout Old Testament, the idea of sacrifice is reiterated, perhaps reaching some sort of apex in the father of the Judaic faith in many regards, of course, Abraham offering to sacrifice, being willing to offer as sacrifice his son Isaac.

01:27:35.000 Although he does not have to do it, he is willing to do it.

01:27:39.000 There is a debt that is accrued when you will not live outside of sin.

01:27:44.000 To live in sin, our creator God, if you live in sin, you know, we know what that is, worshiping the flesh, being cruel, being mean, succumbing to the sort of somehow inherent fallenness.

01:27:57.000 If you live in that, God can't come there with you.

01:28:00.000 You have shut the door in God's face.

01:28:02.000 For God to come back in, there needs to be some sort of lucid transaction.

01:28:07.000 There needs to be some sort of charge reversal that humanity are unable to achieve, unable to achieve through effort, through works.

01:28:16.000 Only it is achieved through the death of God God Self in the form of God the God's Son. 0.91

01:28:21.000 Somehow some charge is released.

01:28:23.000 Some new frequency is engendered.

01:28:25.000 I'm trying to find a new semantic, a new lexicon that helps people get beyond the folkish, Abrahamic and Frankly, sacred language of scripture, and to understand, is there a way of looking at charge, debt, credit that we sort of understand.

01:28:45.000 And I'm sort of beginning to feel like I'm at its edge.

01:28:48.000 Like I'm beginning to understand something that's sort of you know necessarily mythic.

01:28:52.000 And by mythic, I don't mean false, I mean deeply true in a way that transcends meaning or gives us the concept of meaning, in fact.

01:28:59.000 Anyway, Joe, my meal pal, meow, butte, meow, mucker. 0.96

01:29:03.000 What do you reckon?

01:29:04.000 What were you thinking about, mate, while all these exchanges were going on about forgiveness there?

01:29:11.000 I guess initially what I was thinking on what I used to have a tendency to do is like set someone a specific role in my life and have a standard of them of like what they are, what they have to do and how they serve me in my life.

01:29:29.000 And I never know I'm doing it until that minute where they fall short and I'm pissed off of them.

01:29:35.000 But I'm proper pissed off of them.

01:29:37.000 And then like what Dave was saying there, like if it's a resentment which I ain't processed or dealt with quick, I remember you told me it's called stacking Russell, right?

01:29:46.000 So like I ain't dealt with the main thing.

01:29:48.000 That's from Tony Robbins.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, yeah, I like that Tony Robbins thing. 0.99

01:29:51.000 So it's like I start stacking everything else on top of it and in the end everything's fucked. 0.93

01:29:56.000 Like I don't do it no more, but I used to. 0.84

01:29:58.000 And I can hear that in other people that are sponsoring stuff, you know.

01:30:03.000 And I think it's just an easier life, innit, if you can forgive quickly.

01:30:07.000 But sometimes it's hurt pride that makes it very difficult.

01:30:10.000 Well, hurt pride means you're clinging to the idol of self, of course.

01:30:13.000 And all of these things.

01:30:14.000 The reason pride is the primary sin or defect is because that is the idol.

01:30:19.000 That is the antennae.

01:30:20.000 That is the hook upon which all else must hang.

01:30:23.000 Now, a minute ago, Joe, you said that actually you should only do the fourth column.

01:30:28.000 The fourth column in a 12-step inventory is the eight questions where you ask, how am I involved and participating in this, right?

01:30:37.000 The first column is, what is my resentment?

01:30:39.000 My resentment is I was abused as a child.

01:30:42.000 What actually happened? 0.98

01:30:43.000 He put his hand down my pants and felt my nuts. 1.00

01:30:45.000 What area is it affecting? 0.95

01:30:47.000 Pride, what I think, what I think you think of me is the definition I was given.

01:30:52.000 Pride.

01:30:53.000 A bit, but not too much.

01:30:53.000 Does it affect that?

01:30:55.000 Self-esteem, what I think of myself.

01:30:57.000 Yes, it affects that a bit.

01:30:59.000 Personal relationships.

01:31:01.000 Now, just now, Joe, you went, I give people a standard.

01:31:04.000 Now, the description was given to me by Tim M said that personal relations is the script I give others.

01:31:11.000 So in the script, I give others in the third column, I'm like, my dad's like, he done what?

01:31:17.000 All right, and he's off, right?

01:31:19.000 And my mum's like, oh, you know, now that ain't for their own reasons and for which they should be forgiven.

01:31:25.000 We know that from a million different directions.

01:31:27.000 Ain't how they reacted.

01:31:29.000 So that's the key to my re- That's the key to my resentment is personal relations.

01:31:34.000 That's the one that's gotten me.

01:31:36.000 Sexual relations is personal relations, but a specific contingency for sex.

01:31:41.000 So obviously it's there because it's a sexual matter.

01:31:44.000 Ambitions, my ambition to be absolutely protected.

01:31:46.000 Finances, no.

01:31:48.000 Security, yes, because it showed me at a very young age your parents can't protect you and are unable to.

01:31:53.000 Your earthly parents cannot protect you, right?

01:31:55.000 So when you look at this, from the, I mean from the perspective that you just invited us to consider, Joe, that when you do the fourth column, you are sort of meant to be somewhat free of the resentment.

01:32:06.000 I still want to put opinion that because I don't entirely understand it.

01:32:09.000 And what Dave here, Dave here always says that the third column, which I've just described to you and talked to you through, so you do know what it means, is more important and indicative and a better diagnostic tool than the fourth column.

01:32:22.000 Now, the fourth column is these eight questions.

01:32:24.000 What mistakes am I making?

01:32:26.000 Am I being selfish, self-seeking, or dishonest?

01:32:28.000 Where am I in fear?

01:32:30.000 And where have I got defects of character?

01:32:32.000 And where have I wronged?

01:32:33.000 Away, you can't even answer those questions unless you've understood to some degree what area of self in the third column has been activated in you.

01:32:42.000 And I reckon actually that I have just understood that because it's in personal relations is where my resentment there that I just talked us through centers there, don't it? 0.95

01:32:53.000 It's like that's where it is because it's not like I can understand that there's crazy sick people in the world that are paedophiles. 0.99

01:32:59.000 I've seen the fucking news. 1.00

01:33:00.000 I get it. 1.00

01:33:01.000 I've been abused.

01:33:02.000 Like, you know, like, so, but that's not the problem.

01:33:04.000 The problem is the personal relations script problem.

01:33:07.000 And now that I frame it and understand it in those terms, it helps me to see in a way that I couldn't even 15 minutes ago.

01:33:16.000 Like, God forbid, what if something was to happen to one of my beautiful children?

01:33:20.000 Well, how do you stop that in this crazy world?

01:33:23.000 Because every single person in the world that's had a kid that's been abused didn't want that to happen, I'm assuming, except for the ones that did it.

01:33:29.000 I mean, that's a new sick category.

01:33:30.000 But like, you know, like, how do we, you know, I suppose the lesson I have to learn is absolute compassion, absolute forgiveness, and a willingness to cancel a debt that's not serving anyone anyway.

01:33:42.000 What do you think, Dave?

01:33:44.000 Yeah, I don't, I'm not, it's, I don't think you don't need the fourth column.

01:33:51.000 I should say that.

01:33:52.000 Like, I'm not saying I'm not trying to negate fourth column.

01:33:54.000 I think I don't, I don't presume like I know better than the inventory at all.

01:33:59.000 Like, I've just seen from my experience how important that third column is because, really, for the third column, if you back up and just take a macro view of it, that third column is saying it's my effects, my, and it's God-given needs or desires, right?

01:34:18.000 So, God-given, uh, so I've got ambition, right?

01:34:24.000 You should have some ambition.

01:34:25.000 Like, if you have no ambition, that's not good, right?

01:34:28.000 If you've ever done an inventory with someone that is primarily marijuana, like they'll struggle with ambition usually, you know, and so like, like, security, there should you need a level of security.

01:34:42.000 Like, all these things that were affected in this, well, it when it comes down to it, when you do the whole inventory, you're trying to find out, hey, this is the pattern, this is how I play God.

01:34:54.000 In my life, is Dave Fields?

01:34:57.000 This is how, this is my patterns, these are my ways of how I play God, how I manipulate other people and do all these things.

01:35:04.000 But all those external actions are because I'm trying to meet those needs.

01:35:08.000 I'm trying to meet that need for ambition, I'm trying to meet that need for security or financial or my sex relations or personal relations.

01:35:15.000 You know, like I did this because I'm trying to meet my own needs, and that's that's the kicker.

01:35:22.000 It's it's instead of trusting God that He meets my needs, in fact, met my biggest one 2,000 years ago on a cross.

01:35:30.000 Like, instead of trusting Him, I'm trying to play His role and meet my own needs.

01:35:38.000 And so, it just gives me that pattern of this is how I play God.

01:35:44.000 This is, I play the victim to get my needs met and all this stuff instead of trusting that God meets my needs.

01:35:51.000 This is how I play God.

01:35:53.000 So cool.

01:35:53.000 What a great phrase.

01:35:54.000 Well, that's all we have time for for Kraken with Dave, Joe, and Russell, except to say that we have a psalm selected here by Jake.

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