In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand Live from the home of Donald Trump Jr., host Russell Brand sits down with Kim Guilfoyle to discuss the importance of free speech and the role of the Trump family in shaping the culture we live in. This is a very special episode, streaming live from the Trump Jr. home, where the conversation took place. It's a must-listen, especially if you don't want to miss it! Stay Free with Russell Brand is streaming live on Rumble, the joint home of both Russell and Don, and is available on all major podcasting platforms. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurAdvertisers and use the promo code: "WAKEUP" to receive 10% off your first purchase when you enter the discount code: STAYFREE10 at checkout. To learn more about our sponsorships and how you can get 10% all year-round, visit awaking.woke.wokeness.co/sponsorships and save 10% on your first order of $10 or more when you sign up for our 5-day free trial! Subscribe to Awakening Wonder, wherever you get your ad-free version of the show, and don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to the show! Become an Awakened Wonder on Apple Podcasts, wherever else you re listening to podcasts, and become an awakened wonder! You'll get access to all sorts of awesome shows and social meditations, including The Awakening Wonderous Podcasts! and much more! We'll be listening to all of this stuff, including the latest in the best vids, and we'll be giving you access to the best of the best podcasts on the internet's best vizzionations, and social media and socials, including TikTok, and all the best listening to your most authentic and the most influential podcasts you get to know you'll be notified when they're listening to the most amazing things you'll get the most of it all, wherever they're coolest and most of your most of the coolest places in the most awakened wonderousest and most influential, the most awesome things in the world, too! Stay free! - stay woke! xoxo, GURU, Gurgle Dot, Gurbald, Gurl, Gump, and Gumpie, Geezer, Gudee, Gav & Gav, Gabor Mate
00:00:00.000Hello you Awakening Wonders there on Spotify, Apple, Stink Whistle, Gurgle Dot or wherever you download your podcasts these days to remain at least peripherally connected to some tendril of truth in a bewildering miasma of lies and propaganda.
00:00:28.000We decipher the latest news stories, we break down current topics that the mainstream media should be covering, and if they aren't, Then we critique why they're not and what they are covering.
00:01:28.000For the first 15 minutes, we will be streaming widely, available everywhere.
00:01:33.000Even with the constant obstacles to free speech, we will speak freely.
00:01:36.000But after that first 15, we'll be exclusively available on Rumble, the joint home of both Dear Don and myself, you are a resident at Rumble like me.
00:01:47.000Listen, I think I was the second verified user on Rumble after Bongino.
00:01:53.000Bongino was verified, then you were verified.
00:01:55.000Yeah, well it was right when all of that stuff happened with Twitter 1.0 where all of a sudden they cancelled the President of the United States and I had a Large following there, and I said, wait a second, this could disappear in two seconds.
00:02:10.000And reached out with Dan, started talking with Chris Pawlowski, the CEO, and I was on there and have been there ever since.
00:02:17.000Arguably the only true free speech video platform.
00:02:20.000You've experienced what YouTube will do and the manipulation there.
00:02:25.000So I thought it was such an important thing to do and to support.
00:02:28.000That's why I'm here and that's my home.
00:02:30.000Also resident in this home, in this house, and on Rumble is Kim Guilfoyle, who'll be joining us in a minute.
00:02:38.000Also, although not simultaneously, for numerous reasons, mostly technical, but also social, we feel like we'll have conversations successively.
00:02:49.000So we could have an interview of just everyone talking simultaneously and no one will be able to hear anything, so...
00:02:55.000What I like about this conversation, so if you're watching us on YouTube, there'll be a link up in about 15 minutes, and you'll have to click the link and follow us over to Rumble.
00:03:01.000And hopefully, if you permit me, Don, we'll be staying live on local, so become an awakened wonder and join us there, where we will be smoking cigars freely together.
00:03:11.000Discussing subjects as varied and vast as masculinity, liberty, freedom and what revolution and indeed insurrection means in the modern world.
00:03:21.000Don, thank you very much for having a conversation that just a few short years ago would have seemed impossible.
00:03:26.000We've only met once before at the Rumble launch.
00:03:29.000in Sarasota. And I remember then thinking, wow, I'm moving into a different environment
00:03:34.000now. I'm having conversations with people from the Trump family, people from a different
00:03:39.000world, in your case an outdoor hunting, fishing person.
00:03:42.000According to your Wikipedia page, as of today, you were still involved in a Russia gay hoax.
00:03:49.000In a way, this conversation couldn't have happened five years ago because I occupied an
00:03:54.000It's a miracle that it can even still happen today, to some degree, because we live in such heavily censored and controlled spaces.
00:04:01.000What do you think it means when people from different cultural pockets find themselves allying on the basis that now there is so much freedom, so much impediment to freedom, so much censorship, so much control, and so much to be afraid of when it comes to establishment authority, that new alliances simply have to be formed?
00:04:21.000You know, I think a lot of the forces that you're talking about in censorship and suppression, I think a lot of that's been going on probably for decades.
00:04:30.000It was the extreme nature of the last few years, maybe the last eight years, that I think woke up a lot of people to exactly what was going on.
00:04:39.000When we started speaking, I said, there's probably not a lot we would have agreed on politically or otherwise eight, ten years ago, and yet We're sort of in this same fight against these external forces that at this point, honestly, to me scream, you know, just pure evil.
00:04:58.000And, you know, as we talked this week, you said, you know, on my Wikipedia page, I don't check it because I think Wikipedia is literally the The basis that everyone else uses to spread misinformation and create censorship in an artificial means.
00:05:11.000But yeah, I'm still an agent of Russia, even though that's been totally disproven, and even though a Hillary Clinton campaign pushed these lies, and our three-letter agencies blindly bought into that, and they leak the information to establishment media, in that case, the New York Times, which writes an article that they use as the basis for an investigation to try to destroy a presidency, which is As far as I'm concerned, an affront on democracy, but according to them, that's actually saving democracy somehow.
00:05:40.000We don't know how, but they will tell us that ad nauseum.
00:05:43.000It's difficult to wrench your head out of the domestic environment that all of us inhabit.
00:05:51.000And for a moment, consider that if we heard of a foreign country where a political opponent was being subject to criminal investigation while simultaneously having their previous policies plagiarized, policies which, whilst in office, Donald Trump was significantly condemned.
00:06:10.000I'm talking about the travel ban and various attempts to curtail or otherwise control immigration.
00:06:18.000While Donald Trump was in office, he was attacked by the same media now that are attempting to significantly amplify and support Biden's recent executive order when it comes to the border.
00:06:32.000Now, you seem to be saying, Don, that that is both an inept policy rather than pure patriotism.
00:07:39.000We've got Vietnams everywhere we look.
00:07:40.000Ed Dowd, reporting on excess deaths in your country, says that in the two-year period immediately post the pandemic, if we can even say post-pandemic at this point, there was a Vietnam worth of excess deaths.
00:07:53.000We're living at a time, it seems to me, where centralised authority and the potential for a kind of technological feudalism is using as its biggest weapon the threat of a Second Trump presidency to augur and allow them to create authoritarianism that's much more akin to versions of tyranny that we've seen in literature.
00:08:18.000Yes, to a degree in George Orwell, but notably in Aldous Huxley and the kind of terror and dread that I get from reading Franz Kafka in books like The Trial, where there's this new Invisible, cruel bureaucracy that tells you that it's helping you, tells you that it cares about you, won't give you details or facts about where power actually lies, uses really kind language, all the while inhibiting your freedom, turning people against one another.
00:08:47.000I recognise now that's a much bigger threat to freedom than even the worst portrayal of the MAGA movement and Donald Trump.
00:08:58.000I mean, listen, we've been hearing people screaming about fascism for eight years, nine years, and yet look at the actions of those people.
00:09:07.000They are the ones literally trying to jail their political opponents.
00:09:11.000They are the ones who gave a total pass to the very peaceful protesters of the 2020 Summer of Love who happened to burn down major cities in America, billions in damage, people actually murdered.
00:09:24.000You juxtapose that to January 6th, Which, as far as they're concerned, the greatest insurrection in the history of insurrections also happened to be the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world, and yet they utilize that narrative over and over again.
00:09:41.000They create a narrative, you see the soundbites, you see every aspect in mainstream media picking up on every talking point.
00:10:04.000Disregarding all of the corruption of his family, all of the corruption and, you know, illegalities that his son has done.
00:10:11.000I mean, you know, you compare me online, you know, to Hunter Biden, and I am the devil, and he is, you know, someone who simply suffers from addiction, not is just a total piece of garbage, has sold out our country, you know.
00:10:24.000I am not the upstanding citizen that he is, according to CNN, but the reality is that doesn't jive if people get below the surface.
00:10:32.000Just the narrative that they're spoon-fed.
00:10:34.000Yeah, what I'm starting to think is that when you can see powerful institutions leveraged and utilized in a particular direction, you can observe likely where the power lies and what its agenda is and where it's projected towards.
00:10:51.000It must be very difficult, I suppose, for anyone that's living in your country right now, but in particular for someone in your family, to try to contemplate what's happening on a larger scale.
00:11:02.000Because when an election is approaching, there is a kind of generalised hysteria.
00:11:07.000And both sides, to a degree, I suppose, are amplifying the enmity between the two camps.
00:11:13.000But I feel that something's happening at a global level, and perhaps it's easier for me to see that as a person that's not from your country, but it seems that when you're looking at EU policy and UN policy and Canadian policy, Australian, Irish, particularly, say, for example, just take the subject of censorship, it appears that something is being coordinated on perhaps even a global scale to generate conditions where, if in response there's just a jet ski going by, there's just a jet ski going by, that's where you live, Don Junior.
00:11:44.000Right in the stars and stripes in a jet ski.
00:11:48.000It's the most American thing I've ever seen.
00:12:00.000Yeah, it seems that something's happening on a global level that's primarily designed to prevent people communicating freely.
00:12:06.000So the next time crises are exploited to introduce more authority, the same way that it was in the pandemic, the same way it appears to be around wars, and might yet be in a more generalised way, perhaps connected to climate change, when people's individual freedoms are restricted, The ability to, in real time, communicate about it and say, hold on, this doesn't seem to be true.
00:12:28.000You know, but it seems, for example, Don, that the WHO treaty was designed to prevent what happened in the last pandemic happening.
00:12:36.000It was essentially a treaty to be able to lock Joe Rogan in a box Stop people communicating freely.
00:12:45.000Be very vague about what constitutes a pandemic.
00:12:49.000It could be a whole variety of things.
00:12:51.000Do you see the true power of America being transcendent of even your most obvious enemies, the Democrat Party, and involving forces like the three-letter agencies?
00:13:01.000But do you see it as being transcendent of not only America's interests, but America even as a nation?
00:14:06.000I mean, I remember, as someone who is not a virologist, saying, like, of course Of course the Wuhan virus started in the lab that studies the exact virus in question at the place that was ground zero.
00:15:23.000You know, when he was talking to doctors, it did not jive with what he was telling the American public each and every day when he was living his 15 minutes as a, you know, celebutant, you know, rock star on television because he never met a camera he didn't love.
00:15:37.000And that's the problem with our system.
00:15:39.000We encourage and allow the best bureaucrats to succeed.
00:15:44.000The people who are the most vicious in the PR game.
00:16:46.000But I think they overplay their hand in each and every one of these instances so much that
00:16:50.000rational people, people with an IQ above like seven, they're actually questioning these
00:16:55.000things now, and I think that's the biggest thing for us.
00:16:57.000We have to question all of these things.
00:17:00.000Don, you've brought up so much there, and I'm so glad that you've brought up the new erected, forgive the word, pantheon of gods that are casually strung and slung before us in the absence of real faith and in the absence of real love.
00:17:13.000That's something I want to discuss more, because when you do have just a material and rational purview, it is very easy For the state to replace God, for a set of ideals to replace God that are tethered to, it seems to me, some pretty corrupt values.
00:17:29.000And I'd love to talk to you in a minute about how we might see a resurgence of religious and spiritual faith.
00:17:35.000I'd like to talk to you about the complexity of being born The son of your father, the obligations that's placed upon you and the times when that must have been challenging for you, because we casually spoke about what it's like to disagree with a family member in any family, let alone in your family.
00:17:50.000You've already tagged the idea of Hunter Biden and the way that the failings of a particular son can be forgiven and elsewhere utilised, and maybe both sides are guilty of that in their own way.
00:18:03.000We're going to leave you on YouTube right now, so click the link in the description.
00:18:08.000Join us on Rumble for the rest of this conversation.
00:18:13.000In a little while, we'll be talking more about the unique position America finds herself in At this moment.
00:18:19.000Remember, consider joining locals as well because me and Don Junior will be smoking cigars, driving fast cars, firing off rounds of firearms into the sky in a giddying celebration of freedom.
00:18:34.000Don, this collapse of religious faith and this erection of new deities, I think is pretty fascinating, because perhaps, like, you know, right at the beginning of this, the reason I became sympathetic, first of all, to Donald Trump, when I was a person that was on the other side of that argument, when I was elected, you know, just to be playing with you, sir, like, at the beginning, I was like, you can't have Donald Trump as President of the United States.
00:19:00.000But then I saw the way that when the MAGA movement started to grow, and I saw the way that the media class was condemnatory of Americans that were supportive of Trump, I became very suspicious and cynical about their motives.
00:19:13.000I also noticed a similar thing happened in my country during Brexit, that there's a kind of appetite to condemn ordinary people.
00:19:19.000Now, you're obviously a very affluent man, and you're obviously from a very wealthy family, and yet, emotionally and socially and culturally, there seems to be some kind of resonance between the MAGA message and ordinary Americans.
00:19:33.000And I'd really like to talk to you a little about that, but I've just been told that I've got to do an ad.
00:19:37.000So we're going to just throw to one of our partners now, and then I want to talk about what is the connection between Trump and ordinary Americans, and why do the current establishment, in the form of the Democrat Party, loathe ordinary Americans so deeply, and how are they able to continually use compassion?
00:19:53.000Let's have a look at this message from our sponsors.
00:22:11.000But he got down on the ground, being a builder, not just a tech guy, sitting at a computer all day, spending time on job sites, spending time with construction workers.
00:22:21.000Uh, you know, I think while very unlikely on paper, he had a very, very good understanding of where those people were for, you know, a 30 or 40 year career before he ever got into politics.
00:22:33.000And I think that's what was unique about him.
00:22:35.000He understood those people better than, you know, the elite snobs at the New York Times who couldn't understand, who are these people voting for Trump?
00:22:41.000We don't know a single person who would vote for Trump in our, you know, little cocoon in Washington, D.C.
00:22:46.000It's, it's absolutely shocking and yet, You know, he resonated so well with real people because it wasn't the first time he actually spoke to real people, unlike so many of our political class.
00:22:56.000Yeah, because people always try to score points with that I-was-talking-to-my-plumber type of rhetoric.
00:23:02.000It's a way that politicians in your country and in mine automatically operate, pretending that they're down with ordinary people.
00:23:10.000And I have a question from the outside.
00:23:12.000How has this person, in the case of your father, Donald Trump,
00:23:16.000been able to achieve this affinity with ordinary people?
00:23:20.000And you say socially and historically, because it's just been part of, he ran things different.
00:24:00.000They actually criticized me greatly for apparently not understanding something.
00:24:04.000But it turns out they were the ones that just didn't understand, you know, let's call it 300-something million people in America.
00:24:10.000The reason I know something strange is happening is because my country, which is, of course, heavily influenced by American politics and American economics and American geopolitical objectives, does still yet have its own culture.
00:24:23.000And in particular, around the time of Brexit, We saw and I was uneasy about what I saw as a kind of blanket condemnation of ordinary people.
00:24:32.000A kind of a willingness to sort of say that people that voted for Brexit were racist and like people in the north of the country or let's say blue-collar or working class regions were idiots and like during the cycles of these elections it's
00:24:46.000become pretty clear that there is a kind of contempt for American values, for the values
00:24:53.000of ordinary people of numerous cultures. So this kind of, whether it's a charismatic
00:24:59.000ability or just an organic connection to ordinary people, is a surprising phenomena.
00:25:40.000You know, I choose to spend my time there because that's where I'm actually more comfortable.
00:25:44.000So ironically, getting into sort of politics was actually far more natural for me because those are the people I was spending time with anyway.
00:25:51.000You know, throwing on, you know, going to a rubber chicken dinner.
00:25:56.000You know, I was actually faking that, whereas for politics, I'm not actually faking it.
00:26:14.000But what I'm, like, interested in is the kind of contempt and hatred, not only for Donald Trump, your father, because I can see how that's politically expedient and necessary to amplify him as a threat, as a
00:26:26.000kind of, you know, the obvious example that is continually used is to try
00:26:30.000to portray Donald Trump as a rebooting of the militaristic dictators of the last century,
00:26:35.000even though this is a president that's already had four years in office and didn't seek to use the military to shut
00:26:41.000Well, how about accomplished peace deals?
00:27:23.000Name a metric, a single metric, where we are better off today than we were four years ago.
00:27:29.000You know, the adults were back in charge, but they took back in charge and they withdrew from Afghanistan, and Americans are killed for the first time in 18 months in a conflict zone, and rather than taking accountability or acknowledging stupidity or whatever, we have our Secretary of State, the adults who are back in charge, gets on a world stage before Congress and says, he's shocked and dismayed.
00:27:49.000And I quote, you know, that the Taliban did not install a more diverse and inclusive government.
00:28:28.000And yet, those are people who are making literally trillion-dollar decisions, not just for Americans, but for people around the globe.
00:28:35.000Don, one of the things that we can use to draw points of distinction because it spanned both administrations is, of course, the pandemic.
00:28:45.000Now, I recognize that at the beginning of the pandemic period, we were in a different environment.
00:28:50.000And Donald Trump's enthusiasm for Operation Warp Speed, as well as some of the things that he said that, in retrospect, were pretty interesting around hydrochloric... I can never say that word.
00:29:04.000Like, you know, he did have an interesting approach.
00:29:06.000But do you feel that if Donald Trump outright said these vaccines weren't what they claimed to be, and some people won't even use the term vaccines now, gene therapies, weren't what we thought they were, Excess deaths need to be looked at, adverse events need to be looked at, and the big pharma companies need to be examined in the same way you would around the opioid crisis.
00:29:31.000Do you think that many of the people in his base, in addition to, I'm assuming, other people, would find that appealing?
00:30:56.0007, 10, but that was the video they showed you.
00:30:58.000And then for the 14 days between that and the transition of power, well, why didn't he pardon everyone?
00:31:03.000Well, because the only thing we saw, the only thing that was made available to the public was this image of like, hey man, that could look like an insurrection.
00:31:10.000Then you see, you know, now we see videos of grandmothers taking selfies, like within the velvet ropes, those people were questioned by the FBI and thrown in jail for years.
00:31:19.000You know, now we know that, but at the time, What did we actually know?
00:31:26.000I mean, it took two years to get even the basic information out.
00:31:28.000It took years to get the videos out of, you know, again, the insurrectionists conveniently being escorted and toured through by armed officers.
00:31:37.000We have Christopher Wray a couple of months ago saying, well, we can't release the videos because we had too many agents undercover.
00:31:44.000Well, you had agents undercover that were armed in there, and yet you did nothing?
00:31:50.000They just, they allowed literally an insurrection?
00:31:53.000And to happen, just like you literally, if Trump went against Andy,
00:32:44.000I'd be in Gitmo right now, and that would have been right.
00:32:48.000Of course it was accurate, and of course those 52 intelligence officers had no way of knowing, but it didn't stop them from weaponizing that.
00:32:55.000You know, months later, when it started leaking and these things, you know, 17% of the American populace said that would have changed their vote away from Joe Biden had they known that that was accurate, that we were that corrupted.
00:33:05.000As we're, you know, honestly, as we're possibly on the brink of World War III, with the world's largest nuclear superpower by volume of intercontinental ballistic missiles and warheads, Russia Are we making policy decisions?
00:33:21.000That are simply influenced because one of our other enemies has more information about a kid that was corrupted and broken and taking all sorts of money for God knows what, for things he had no business actually making.
00:33:33.000Our media's not even asking that question, Russell.
00:33:35.000Are we possibly getting ourselves into World War III because this administration is acting to further cover up other things?
00:33:49.000Like, I look at all of the America last decisions that we see from the Biden, whether it's energy, whether it's this, whether it's the dealings from China, you know, bringing down our strategic petroleum reserves and cutting off American energy.
00:34:00.000I'm like, not one of these things is good for America.
00:34:03.000Could they be done because there's undue influence?
00:34:05.000And given all of the information that's out there, given all of the shade, you know, if that was my laptop, it would be a problem.
00:34:12.000It wouldn't just be someone struggling with addiction.
00:34:20.000I know that because I saw what happened in Russia, Russia, Russia, and that was one thing.
00:34:24.000There are dozens of things and, you know, just absolute crickets.
00:34:27.000And, you know, I think that in and of itself is, you know, sort of enough to make everyone question, like, what's the, you know, whatever level of disdain you have for sort of mainstream media, it is not enough.
00:34:39.000It's extraordinary, actually, that both you and Hunter Biden are in the public eye at the same time, as it offers us an additional barometer to see how the different stories are covered in different sections of the media.
00:34:51.000I'm well aware of what happened immediately prior to the revelation of that story, the lengths to which deep state agencies went to ensure that it was handled correctly and not handled at all, and the level of censorship that was enacted and that it's one of the events that enables us to see that not only has legacy media long been controlled by deep state forces but there are obviously significant attempts and successes in controlling social media platforms as well, Don.
00:35:16.000One of the things I query sometimes, having had a Donald Trump term, Is that when Donald Trump campaigned very successfully on, and I would say in a way that reached a lot of people emotionally, that, you know, because this is one of the times where I was watching, I was thinking, yeah, this is what needs to happen.
00:35:33.000You do need to control the institutions that prevent there being democracy.
00:35:37.000I agree with Mike Benz's analysis that when people say democracy now, for example, talking about Ukraine, they don't mean the electoral process by which a population...
00:35:46.000suspended elections in Ukraine. They banned religious institutions. Gonzalo Lira dies
00:35:52.000in that prison. I think it's such a deep tragedy that Gonzalo Lira died in prison and that
00:35:58.000the Ukrainian people are dying in such considerable numbers when it appears that there could be
00:36:02.000a diplomatic solution simply by withdrawing their...
00:36:05.000But there's no money in peace, Russell.
00:36:09.000If my father was in there, he gets people at the table.
00:36:11.000The way to get people at the table is threaten that withdrawal of the money.
00:36:13.000As long as the generals and the people who are actually not at risk at all on the front lines in Ukraine are making millions, they're pilfering the money.
00:37:07.000No one's even said that yet, and yet we'll fund it, you know, as though it's, you know, the greatest cause in the world, and it doesn't resonate with the people.
00:37:15.000I go around, I speak in front of a lot of Republicans around the world, certainly the country, and I think I've done an in-person live survey in front of thousands of people at a time, probably about 60,000, 65,000 people in total over the last two years.
00:37:53.000And yet, you know, Washington DC, it's a number one issue for both sides and they're going to fund it ad nauseam because they're all getting rich.
00:37:59.000And do you think that that is the type of, is that, because if there is so much deep state power and global power and power being deployed by global agencies, you know, if this is really a war that is governed by or At the behest of military-industrial complex interests and NATO policy, then is it something that, you know, when Donald Trump said, um, we could just leave NATO or we could stop funding NATO, do you think that that is the... Like, in recent interviews, Donald Trump said, like, you know, I'll release the 9-11 files, I'll release the JFK files.
00:38:33.000When in office, are those things able to happen or are the various institutional interests too restrictive to prevent that kind of thing?
00:38:41.000Well, I think they're going to go all out to prevent it, right?
00:38:43.000You just have to, you know, the reality is you need someone with the resolve to do that.
00:38:46.000I don't, you know, if we had a bench of people that I thought could actually do that, that would be wonderful.
00:38:50.000It'd be much easier than getting back into this.
00:38:52.000I think right now my father's the only guy that can actually stand up to that.
00:38:55.000And I think Perhaps why the level of attack now is so much more aggressive, so much more ridiculous, frankly, but is that coming in as an outsider, it's sort of hard to figure that out, right?
00:39:06.000The plum book, which is the book of 4,000 jobs essentially appointed by the president, like, you come in as an outsider, 4,000 jobs, like, you can find five maybe of people that you like, and then 4,000 that, well, I think, I guess he's, you know, I guess he's on our team.
00:39:27.000In D.C., you know, someone could be on board with everything that you're doing, but they'll snake you to get a favor from a reporter who he's working on some sort of other.
00:39:38.000And so, you know, I think the fear of Trump is that now that he's got four years, now that he understands those workings, now that he understands who can be trusted and who can't, That notion scares them much more because I think he can be much more effective in a second term than he ever could have in a first, especially when you consider the sort of, you know, the first two years were occupied by Russia, Russia, Russia, maybe first three years, and then the last year occupied by COVID.
00:40:01.000I mean, they threw everything at him and yet our economy flourished.
00:40:05.000You know, job numbers were going up, lowest income earners were getting real wage growth.
00:40:10.000I mean, success after success after success, and that's before you get to peace in the Middle East, yada, yada, yada.
00:40:16.000I mean, he had a pretty amazing track record when you consider that he was up against arguably insurmountable forces that, you know, that no other president, right or left, has ever faced to do, you know, the basic duties of the duly elected president of the United States.
00:40:32.000Hey Don, Robert De Niro's fear, as well as the fear of the legacy media, is that if Trump gets another term, he will never leave office, he will declare himself dictator for life.
00:41:13.000They took what was the most powerful man in the world on paper at the time and they threw him off of social media
00:41:17.000and this Effectively canceled him and lied about him and have tried
00:41:20.000to jail him and have find him You know half a billion dollars for paying back banks on
00:41:25.000time because he was actually a businessman, you know prior to getting into that world
00:41:28.000I mean, it's so asinine, not because it's just asinine in general, but because we actually have evidence, similar to we have evidence of four years under this regime and then four years under my father, and you can compare those things.
00:41:43.000We know what's happened when his time was up in his first term.
00:42:14.000Don, thank you so much because it's been a very lucid appraisal about some of the bigger picture issues.
00:42:21.000...that pertain to the power that I fear most, which is a kind of global corporatist power.
00:42:26.000And my own slow thawing around this issue has been based on if institutional power, both judicial and media, detests this man so deeply, While people appear to adore him at least 50% of the population of your country, then something unusual is happening because I don't trust institutional power.
00:42:48.000I don't trust technocrats and bureaucrats and technological feudalists.
00:42:53.000So for me, it's like an opportunity to look at, well, where are the points of alliance?
00:42:57.000And what does freedom and democracy look like in 2024?
00:44:16.000We're going to be on local smoking cigars, but after this message from the beautiful Charlize, run by Charlene Bollinger, entrepreneur, outspoken woman, great patriot and Christian, have a look at this advert for these fantastic products.
00:44:42.000All right, let's see you after this ad.
00:44:46.000I would like to send a message of love to our sponsors at Charlize.
00:44:50.000Charlize make this incredible product.
00:44:52.000Now have you noticed that I'm looking incredibly young?
00:44:55.000It's not just the tiny hat, it's my skin and my skin is looking good because of this range of extraordinary products.
00:45:01.000Now I don't know if these products are going to be for you but they might be for someone you love and they make a perfect gift and there's 20% off this pack for The next... I think we can do it for 48 hours.
00:45:35.000One of the components of this product that makes it extraordinary is citrus paradisi peel oil.
00:45:41.000This is a beautiful organic ingredient and the very kind of thing that you would expect from Charlene, the founder of this company, who is on Joe Biden's hate list because of the stance she took during COVID.
00:45:50.000Remember, you can use our code to get a discount on these products.
00:45:54.000These products can do I'm all manner of things.
00:45:56.000Elevate your skincare routine using the unmatched power of nature.
00:48:20.000I, in fact, gave a speech on it yesterday in Alabama when we were having a fundraiser for President Trump, and for me it's such a personal experience.
00:48:28.000I have such a visceral response to it because, as you said, I've worked as, you know, a prosecutor, a job in a position that I took very seriously, taking an oath to uphold The law to apply, you know, the law and the facts and the evidence together without any arbitrariness, without capriciousness, to really serve, you know, justice.
00:48:49.000And I felt really good about what I was doing.
00:48:51.000And now I almost feel ashamed that I was even part of something
00:48:54.000that has now become, I believe, so corrupt and has fallen so far from the mantle of what
00:49:00.000it was supposed to be about equal justice for all and not using it as a means and a weapon
00:49:58.000That's really the only verdict that should matter.
00:50:01.000Not trying to use the system because you don't want to go against the political opponent.
00:50:07.000Kim, even the phrase lawfare is an indication when a new, when a neologism appears, it's an indication that a new phenomena has appeared.
00:50:17.000And I imagine, and I wonder what you think, that it might be because of the emergence of new types of media and new types of communication, a different type of politics is necessarily We saw it economically and in the world of commerce with the emergence of Napster and the collapse of the record industry, even though, of course, it's been subsequently reconfigured.
00:50:36.000We saw it in the Arab Spring, where political organisation... And under Trump's first presidency and prior to that in his campaigning, this was someone who understood how to use social media to bypass the gatekeepers that, up until very recently, have been able to corral and control public opinion.
00:50:52.000To be explicit, in your company, if I may, I'm not a person that's like, Our audience loves Donald Trump.
00:50:58.000And I always say that I believe in freedom, I believe in freedom of choice, I believe in democracy, I believe in our ability to be sovereign and free individuals.
00:51:07.000What I'm beginning to notice is that the emergence of this thing, lawfare, that you say the corruption of an institution that you took an oath to participate in, is the sense that if there's a new type of enemy, free speech, amplified, Creating dissidence of a level never before, creating the possibility for social change that could have never happened before.
00:51:28.000You have to fight back with new weapons.
00:51:31.000I felt it myself, that what happens is they will create a way to attack you, attack you, shut you down.
00:51:37.000Like, cancellation is a recent phenomena.
00:51:40.000Also, of course, there's always been public shaming and ostracization, but this new weaponization is, it seems to me, about controlling A central power force.
00:52:12.000That kind of contempt for me is the bare minimum I require.
00:52:17.000But, like, so I used to think of Fox, and I still think legacy media, I regard all of it as, broadly speaking, corrupt, and the differences between the various outlets, I imagine, just are inflections based on sort of historical relationships.
00:52:30.000What do you think has happened to legacy media since the rise of social media and since the advent of platforms like Rumble, where all of us stream?
00:52:40.000Well, I think in this moment, you know, in history, our freedoms, specifically free speech.
00:52:47.000And in the U.S., the First Amendment, the right to be able to say what you think, what you believe without fear of reprisal or cancellation.
00:52:55.000I really believe in the marketplace of ideas.
00:52:57.000That's why I love Rumble, because they don't tell me or you or Don Jr.
00:53:02.000or academics or anyone else who's on there what to say, what to think, what you're able to do.
00:53:13.000They tell you, stay away from this subject matter, that subject matter.
00:53:16.000Now, to be fair, we had a lot of freedom on The Five, the show that I co-founded with my, you know, co-anchors, et cetera, that was very popular, and it was an opinion show.
00:53:26.000But nevertheless, there were still parameters.
00:53:28.000And what I love is for people to make up their own mind, hear all the different opinions, hear the thoughts, and whether they're revolutionary or not, don't be afraid of discourse, of that rhetoric.
00:53:40.000And I think that's when you really learn and open your mind and maybe think about something in a different way that you had never ever considered before.
00:53:48.000That to me is what I think is the power of freedom of expression, of conversation, of
00:54:12.000I've worked at ABC News, so I was regular on Good Morning America, CNN at night, exclusive at the time, prime time, to Larry King and Anderson Cooper, when we were covering all the big legal cases, and then my own show on Court TV, covering all the big, you know, legal cases and going live in the courtroom, and then over to Fox, yes.
00:54:30.000I'm dating myself there with quite a long career.
00:54:34.000But I just saw it being a place that I no longer really felt was being honest to itself in terms of what our goal and purpose and objective was supposed to be, which was to give the information to the public because they deserve to hear the truth.
00:54:50.000Not something that's been manufactured or stifled, right?
00:54:53.000And so if you don't feel true to your purpose of what you're intending to do about your passion, about connecting with an audience and really giving them, because people have a lot of time, you know, choice of what they can do with their time.
00:55:14.000That's why shows like yours are so popular because they know that you're gonna tell them exactly what you think and feel and no one is trying to control you.
00:55:22.000Your thought process, what you articulate, what you bring, the topics you want to discuss.
00:55:28.000That's the beauty of what we do here at Rumble for sure.
00:55:38.000One of the things that seems clear from what you've said just then is that there's a kind of patronising attitude towards people baked into censorship.
00:55:47.000Other than obvious examples for which there are already laws relating to ethics and morality and protecting vulnerable people, It doesn't seem that there should be a requirement for information for adults to be pre-packaged, pre-chewed and pre-conditioned and I don't buy anymore that the motivation behind it is protection.
00:56:09.000I saw a recent speech by Obama at At Stanford, talking about the necessity to censor misinformation, malinformation, and at that same institution, Stanford, Jay Bhattacharya, one of the early outspoken voices around the way the pandemic was handled, was censored at the height of the pandemic.
00:56:26.000It was a very revealing period, I think, Kim, and I think it provided an opportunity to bring a lot of people together, because I think it helped me, certainly, to recognize that That what I'd regarded as inverted commas the left had been culturally co-opted by a set of institutions that were not actually interested in individual freedom and whilst claiming that they were motivated by compassion were all only ever using compassion to assert control.
00:56:50.000There's no trust in human beings, in human dignity, in our human impulses, in our ability to judge and evaluate our own relationships.
00:56:59.000So many things being weaponized, but always with the same result, the prohibition and inhibition of personal freedom.
00:57:06.000Can you imagine now that there might be alliances that you weren't previously thought of culturally?
00:57:11.000Like, are you genuinely open-hearted to people that have a wide variety of lifestyles or religious affiliations or even political affiliations?
00:57:20.000Yeah, well I was born and raised in San Francisco, right, and it's a very diverse, you know, city, all different backgrounds, socioeconomic, whether it's religions, political beliefs, etc.
00:57:30.000I served as First Lady of San Francisco.
00:57:32.000I myself have always been conservative, but, you know, that's my viewpoint, my choice, my decision, and working as a prosecutor, but it doesn't mean that I'm not open to listening to other people's ideas.
00:57:45.000And what I didn't like, and what you talked about, we were sort of on the precipice there of what's happening with our society, what's happening with, you know, this world we live in.
00:57:55.000It was big exposure there of exactly what they were doing, trying to control everybody, telling you that you're not good enough to think for yourself, make decisions for yourself, your family, et cetera.
00:58:06.000And it was just like a robot warfare against society, in my opinion, and really COVID exposed it in people like Fauci.
00:58:14.000Just horrific what happened to the world.
00:58:17.000And I feel especially bad for children that were deprived of proper socialization, that weren't able to go to school, really felt isolated.
00:58:25.000I mean a lot of children and people, you know, friends of mine, their children really suffered during that time.
00:58:30.000They can't take it back, and it's terrible.
00:58:32.000I'm just so sad that as a society we even allowed it to continue on and sort of proliferate in the way that it did.
00:58:39.000And I also feel that there is like direct, you know, like co-conspirators with legacy media, you know, and you see them telling people lies, helping the government essentially, like their marketing arm, control people, control their thought process, their beliefs, and what they are willing to accept and what they are willing to tolerate.
00:59:01.000This weaponization of the judiciary that we started with our discussion with Kim pertains very strongly to a breaking news story right now that Steve Bannon is to be jailed from July 1st.
00:59:14.000Do you see that as a further example of the legal system being used to jail political opponents?
00:59:21.000Yes, because if you don't bend to their will, and especially when they know what you're saying, you're getting information out there, and you're engaged in actual meaningful discourse, and really penetrating and getting through to the people, then you're a dangerous person.
00:59:35.000And they will try to cancel you, they will try to silence you, and that's when you know you're right over the target.
00:59:40.000And that's what's happened with Peter Navarro, with Steve Bannon, who has a powerful show that brings information out to the people and standing up for his own rights and beliefs.
01:00:03.000It's really a very unusual time to live in that you're supposed to, in each case, say there's an entirely separate legal, moral or ethical issue that's nothing to do with this coordinated media campaign and deployment of the judiciary in every single one of those cases.
01:00:20.000And you're also invited to believe that the authorities that are using that power Yes.
01:00:29.000And that they have a better and superior moral center and capacity to judge, decide, determine, dictate, and enforce better than anyone else.
01:00:41.000So we're supposed to submit to the will of their decisions, their choices, what they decide for you, which I wholeheartedly reject.
01:00:48.000Yeah, because, in a sense, if you believe in God and that there are a set of values, that there is such a thing as right and wrong, that there is such a thing as freedom, then, in a sense, all else can flow from it.
01:01:00.000But when you have this kind of materialistic, nihilistic, we spoke about it, Don Jr.
01:01:05.000I know he said there's been like the erection, he didn't use that word incorrectly, Kim,
01:01:10.000erection of a pantheon of like sort of human deities, like Fauci was treated like a god
01:01:19.000Like in a sense it sort of covers up this amoral morass.
01:01:23.000I don't trust the judiciary in the same way that I don't trust the media.
01:01:26.000I don't trust the intentions of the government.
01:01:28.000I think that our best, what we ought to be aiming for is the maximum amount of powerful individuals,
01:01:34.000the maximum amount of power for individual communities to self-govern and to be free
01:01:39.000so that you have true diversity and true freedom.
01:01:41.000And whenever I see power aggregating, not only in countries, but across the world.
01:01:46.000If you take the example with, like, cryptocurrencies, at the beginning, it's like, Bitcoin is bad, it's evil, it's bad for the environment, until they worked out they could do it and control people.
01:02:10.000It's easy to take a knee and say, okay, let them control, etc.
01:02:13.000The alternative is they're gonna target you if you stand up and if you have a voice and if you reject what they have decided what their group think is best for of all society.
01:03:02.000So yeah, either house arrest to sort of stymie stifle any ability to campaign or actual jail time.
01:03:08.000It's pretty staggering and extraordinary to contemplate.
01:03:11.000Some of those counts carry four years.
01:03:15.000It's not... Talking about this sort of inability to maintain any... What am I going to say?
01:03:20.000So, any fidelity when it comes to principle.
01:03:23.000When I was watching Marjorie Taylor Greene the other day with the Fauci takedown, I was wondering how her detractors would regard that, even though Marjorie Taylor Greene is perhaps a person that I wouldn't, outside of these issues, find natural affinity.
01:03:38.000I thought elsewhere they would be saying, oh, this is an example of a powerful woman taking down the patriarchy.
01:03:45.000But because in this instance that doesn't fit that particular... They're a narrative, right?
01:04:43.000But it's quite different if it doesn't suit their own ideology, partisan needs, or, you know, how they want to weaponize against her or anybody that has viewpoints that are different.
01:04:57.000And I was thinking that there is this sort of chaotic moral fluidity.
01:05:04.000And a democracy, and even a nation, requires a kind of sense that it is boundary.
01:05:10.000And I wonder, approaching this election, There is the sense that the electoral process is supposed to be the ability, and it seems to me that two parties isn't really enough to choose between, but at least you're supposed to be able to choose between two parties.
01:05:24.000And it seems to me that your sense, Kim, is that that process is being significantly disrupted.
01:05:30.000And by the time we get to November, do you think that there's a realistic possibility that the election won't take place in the way that it customarily would?
01:05:40.000Yes, nothing would surprise me at this point based on what we have seen, right?
01:05:44.000You have to pay attention to what has transpired, try to digest it, examine it, to understand what's coming forward in the future.
01:05:51.000I wouldn't be surprised if the election got called off.
01:05:55.000I wouldn't be surprised if they put President Trump in jail before the convention or tried to do something of that nature.
01:06:02.000None of it, I think, is off limits for them.
01:06:04.000I think they've shown what they are capable of doing And what they are comfortable with doing, which is they shut down the world essentially, right?
01:06:16.000So if they're willing to do something like that on a global level, what are they willing to do for a U.S.
01:06:21.000election, etc., of something that they believe of consequence because they feel what they're doing is right and that they can decide and have a better determination of what's good for all of us.
01:06:33.000Yeah, and the way that they amplify crisis, even if you take it that a crisis has taken place, they seem to use crisis to legitimize authority.
01:06:41.000So it's the potential for martial law or further social restriction or restrictions on communication.
01:06:49.000All of those things, like you say, don't appear to be off the table.
01:06:52.000Because they'll use any of that to stop an election, whether it's a climate issue, whether it's some global issue, some war, et cetera, et cetera, to try to stop it.
01:07:01.000And it just depends, because they have to see whether they're successful now in terms of the lawfare, right?
01:07:08.000And the multiple cases over and over again against President Trump.
01:07:11.000He's had some wins, and I ultimately believe, as a former prosecutor and examining all these cases, they will be reversed, ultimately, but it'll have to probably go up to the United States Supreme Court to do so.
01:07:21.000Because there's so much baked in corruption along the way, in terms of the venues.
01:07:26.000The selections of the venues are very specific, very coordinated, designed to inflict maximum impact against the president, with a very biased jury, biased judge.
01:07:38.000I mean, and we saw that with all of these cases.
01:07:40.000You know, excessive fines, jail time, all of the above.
01:07:43.000Can you imagine, for a moment, if you flip this, and they were going after Barack Obama.
01:07:51.000And trying to put him in jail for all of these years and using all these different cases and going to his house and authorizing lethal and deadly force in a search for documents.
01:08:04.000Yeah, and also, occasionally, I zoom back and think, there has been no significant criminalisation after engagement in wars that were commenced under duplicitous circumstances.
01:08:17.000Where is our moral barometer where all of these trials are taking place, yet when it comes to the Iraq war, to take just one example, there has been no legal reckoning.
01:08:28.000In fact, the repackaging of George W Bush And increasingly I wonder how significant the personalities are but as a kind of a vuncular figure or a sort of a friendly Republican it's okay to like and even Dick Cheney I mean it just seems like extraordinary to me.
01:08:44.000No you're absolutely right but wouldn't you think that that would be something of incredible focus?
01:08:50.000That it should actually be examined and there should be repercussions?
01:08:55.000For actually creating and manufacturing wars that shouldn't have occurred?
01:09:08.000Yeah, it seems like there were, like, moral crises, geopolitical crises, war, people, like, struggling to buy groceries, fuel and energy crises, all sorts of it.
01:09:18.000And the entire media sphere is being dominated by the demonization Of a person who, even in the worst appraisal, is not as terrifying for democracy as what is already being augured through technocracy and bureaucracy and controlling freedom in order to protect us either from speech or protect us from health crises or protect us from whatever they need to do to legitimize authority.
01:09:41.000Yeah, and I don't want to be protected.
01:09:44.000I'm fine with making my own decisions for me, for my family, for our children, all of the above.
01:09:50.000I want them to stay out of my business.
01:09:52.000They don't know better, in fact, and they have no good intentions.
01:09:57.000Yeah, and I think the only way you can overwhelm that perspective of, like, I'll take care of my own life, thanks, is by ensuring that people are, like, terrified the whole time, by creating a climate of fear, by creating a climate of division, and by preventing people trying to come together and generate opportunities for unity and new alliance.
01:10:14.000So I think it's... Not only did I enjoy our conversation, I think it's culturally significant and very important.
01:10:32.000My father was born in Ireland, in Ennis and County Clare.
01:10:36.000And then my mother was born in Aguadilla in Puerto Rico.
01:10:39.000And they, you know, came from, you know, different parts of the world.
01:10:42.000They met, fell in love, but found that they had so many different things, you know, in common and that they enjoyed each other's company.
01:10:48.000And I think that's the beauty of this country is that you have the exposure to be able to meet people from all different walks of life, all different backgrounds, different religions, etc.
01:11:07.000To protect and preserve that because I really believe in it and I want people to be able to provide for their families and live their American dream and not be controlled and told what to do, who you can talk to, who you can marry, what religion you can have.
01:12:22.000Join us on Locals for this sort of smoke-up, something that I actually don't feel particularly well.
01:12:26.000The last thing I probably need is a cigar.
01:12:28.000And remember, join us tomorrow when I'll be speaking with Elizabeth Pipko, From the convention!
01:12:35.000That was a pretty amazing conversation, I had it yesterday.
01:12:38.000So, for now, see you later, I'll see you on the show later, and I'll see you tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.