Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a presidential candidate, environmental advocate, lawyer, founder of the Waterkeeper Alliance and Children's Health Defence, and presidential hopeful for the Democratic nomination, running on a platform of universal health care and universal education. He is the son of former Vice President Joseph Kennedy Sr. and the brother of John Kennedy Sr., and the cousin of Robert Kennedy Sr.'s daughter, and the nephew of John and Jackie Kennedy. In this episode, Robert talks about his life growing up in the shadow of the Kennedys, and how he and his family were targeted by the CIA and other powerful interests, including the corporate and political establishment. He also talks about the assassination of his uncle, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. and explores the theories and conspiracy theories surrounding the Kennedy assassination, and offers his thoughts on the events that led to it. The first 15 minutes of this conversation will be available on YouTube, then, due to the nature of modern media to speak openly with Robert, we will only be able to bring you this conversation on Rumble. Join us there if you want to see Robert's responses to the questions I asked him about the JFK assassination and the events leading up to it, and why he believes Joe Biden should debate Hillary Clinton at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia on July 25th, 2020. RUMBLE is a show about the Kennedy family s legacy and legacy, and what it means to be a member of the Kennedy dynasty, and its impact on American politics today. . Join us on Rumble on Rumble, the podcast hosted by the New York Times Magazine, and The New York Magazine, The Huffington Post, and much more! Subscribe to Rumble on your favorite podcast platform, wherever you get your favourite podcast platform and listen to new episodes of Awakenings Wonders and Awakening Wonders on your favourite streaming platform. You can expect weekly episodes throughout the week, starting on Wednesday nights, starting at 7 PM Eastern Time. If you like what you're listening to the newest episode of AWakened Wonders? Subscribe on Tuesday nights, Wednesday nights at 9/25thursdays at 8/7/27th/9/30th, 7/6th and 7/7th at 7/Saturday nights, on the weekends, on The FiveThirtyEight app. Subscribe and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, wherever you re listening to this podcast? Thanks for listening to Awakened Wondering What's Good?
00:01:00.000Thanks for joining me for a very special show.
00:01:02.000I'm being joined by presidential candidate, renowned environmental advocate and lawyer, founder of the Waterkeeper Alliance and Children's Health Defence, and, you know, as I've already said, 2024 Democratic presidential candidate, running on some interesting ideas.
00:01:19.000Listen to this before we meet Robert Kennedy.
00:01:23.000Bring the troops home, spend money on US infrastructure, Heal the cultural divide rather than using the cultural war to polarize the country.
00:01:29.000Dismantle surveillance, pardon Assange and Snowden, investigate and maybe even disband the CIA, and I guess we're going to have a pretty intensive reckoning over events of the last couple of years.
00:01:42.000I'm of course being joined by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
00:01:47.000My father's first instinct, which was a good instinct it turns out, was that the CIA are s**t. I was almost 10 years old when my uncle was killed.
00:01:55.000And I was standing in the White House, in the foyer of the White House, with my aunt Jackie Kennedy, and my mother, and my father.
00:02:05.000I, at that point, like many Americans, was asking questions because this didn't look right.
00:02:10.000How can you speak out openly against these kind of interests, let alone try and mobilize a political movement and stand against them without serious fear of, well, assassination?
00:02:21.000It wasn't just Fauci, it was the whole US intelligence military apparatus that was basically... Simply not possible for you to answer that question on YouTube.
00:02:29.000They were bragging that they could kill everybody, basically everybody in the world for 29 cents a person.
00:02:36.000What you're saying, Robert, even leaves many hardened conspiracy theorists quivering like Boy Scouts.
00:02:44.000None of this is stuff that we should be doing.
00:02:49.000This is a war where Ukraine has been made a victim, not just by Russia, but by the United States government.
00:02:56.000We have to just say, wait a minute, we've got to stop fighting each other, and we've got to go after the people who have their jackboot on our head.
00:03:07.000Thank you so much for having me and for all of your advocacy for the past three years.
00:03:14.000Which has, you know, kept me laughing and it's been probably the smartest commentary on what's happening in our country of anybody else on the media.
00:04:27.000I'm going to be talking about the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy.
00:04:31.000Once again, with respect, because it's obviously family members to Robert.
00:04:36.000But we'll start with this simple question.
00:04:40.000Why do you think that Joe Biden is unwilling to engage in debate, even though he is not required to for this part of the political process?
00:04:55.000I assume they made a calculation that the debate is not going to be helpful to the president and that he is a strong enough position now, politically, that he is strong enough in the polls that he can win.
00:05:07.000And, you know, the way that the setup of the Democratic Party at the convention, the way the nomination happens, the superdelegates are very, very influential and he'll get 100% of those.
00:05:21.000I think he's confident at this point, or his handlers are confident, that he can win the nomination without debating me and that the debate can do nothing except for put him in jeopardy.
00:05:34.000So I assume that's it, although I can't really look into his head.
00:05:40.000Uh, given that you yourself are part of the most famous political dynasty in American politics, my assumption is you understand the nature of the relationships between the deep state And the temporal administrations that occupy power in American politics, the significant influence that donations have on policy, the insidious nature of the industry of lobbying, and of course, even the potential consequences of being outspoken.
00:06:16.000My assumption, Robert, is that you must appreciate that if you are going to stand for candidacy of the Democrat Party, that you are going to be subject to an How are you prepared for that?
00:06:27.000How do you envisage that you will get your message across?
00:06:30.000And what kind of attacks do you imagine might take place?
00:06:33.000as far as I can understand, the most powerful elite establishment interests that there are.
00:07:02.000The censorship is frustrating because you can't really reply or respond to the attacks.
00:07:08.000But, you know, we've developed over the past three years during the pandemic A number of ways of talking to people that can end run essentially the mainstream media.
00:07:19.000So I'm going to take a beating in the mainstream media, but I think through podcasts like this and other ones, I think the nature of media is changing and we've also developed a lot of techniques for working around the media.
00:07:33.000You know, even Twitter allows us to talk to a larger audience than any CNN show has.
00:07:41.000And so, you know, it's going to be interesting.
00:07:48.000If you ask personally how I deal with it, I feel like I have to stay in kind of a spiritual place and come and everything I do has to come from that place.
00:08:03.000And if I do that, if I manage to be able to stay and maintain that connection, that everything durable or enduring or important I do will come from that place and that I'm kind of invulnerable there.
00:08:20.000And the only thing that is going to hurt me is if I leave that place and start doing things that are self-interested and self-serving and etc.
00:08:33.000There is a relationship between a deep spiritual connection and feeling safe in this world.
00:08:38.000Myself, if I may call you Bobby, I vacillate between service and knowing that there are greater ideals that we must appeal to, that there is real hope for the world, and then sometimes sort of collapse collapsing like a souffle made of vanity into self-centeredness
00:09:27.000So I'm heartened to hear you say that, but also astonished that it is effective when you know what the consequences of speaking out against entrenched power could be.
00:09:46.000I, Russell, I look back and say, I mean, I was raised in this kind of milieu where we were constantly talking about the, you know, my father was a military historian.
00:09:56.000He would come home every night and tell us about the battles that changed history.
00:10:00.000We were taught, my grandmother, my father, Took us on tours, and my Uncle Teddy, after they died, took us on tours of all the Civil War battlefields.
00:10:10.000We grew up touring the Revolutionary War battlefields and walking the Freedom Trail in Boston and, you know, memorizing poems about Paul Revere and all of the kind of...
00:10:21.000You know, heroic Victorian ballads, you know, from Rudyard Kipling and Alfred Lord Tennyson and all of those.
00:10:29.000And we recognize that there was a generation of Americans in 1776 who put their lives on the line, who put their property, who put their reputations on the line, their fortunes in order to give us the constitutional rights that we have
00:10:45.000And they all said if the subsequent generations weren't willing to make similar sacrifices,
00:12:09.000And if indeed you maintain that, you know, your father, and of course I expect that you will claim that your father and your uncle were legitimate, virtuous, flawed, but good, principled men, then you must presumably believe that the reason that they lost their lives is connected to those values and principles, and it's simply not possible for you to answer that question on YouTube.
00:12:32.000I also want to... I also recognize that you are going after, as far as I can see, the most significant opponents of freedom. The military industrial complex, the
00:12:43.000big pharmaceutical industry and the incredible power they're able to exert over mainstream
00:12:49.000politics, and the control over the mainstream media. And I think if you're going to attack
00:12:54.000those kind of interests, you cannot do it on a WHO regulated site like YouTube.
00:12:59.000So click on the link in the description.
00:13:01.000Join us now on Rumble where Robert will respond to some of the questions, just some of those questions as well.
00:13:08.000And if you're watching this on Locals right now, post your questions in the chat.
00:13:11.000I'll be asking Robert some of those questions as well.
00:13:14.000So Robert, what do you feel about that sort of rather broad and potentially incendiary and I hope not offensive question I was asking about the family members who most of us believe were murdered by the CIA?
00:13:24.000Yeah, I mean my uncle, you know, came into office.
00:13:29.000He had been a military, you know, he had been a skipper of a big depot during World War II.
00:13:35.000He had the, kind of the enlisted man's scout, although, you know, he was a low-level officer.
00:13:41.000He had the enlisted, but he had a kind of an independence.
00:13:44.000He had his own ship that, you know, was destroyed by a Japanese destroyer, but he had the enlisted man's skepticism of the upper brass.
00:13:55.000And when he came into office, he already, the guys who were, you know, who were running the Joint Chiefs at that time, Lemitzer, Louis Lemitzer, and the other ones, were people who we knew, who we had known as, you know, whose names he knew as an enlisted man and who many people respected, but he did, he was skeptical of them.
00:14:21.000And he also was very conscious of Eisenhower three days before his inauguration, which I attended as a little boy in Washington.
00:14:28.000Eisenhower gave what we now should regard as probably the most important speech in American history on January 17th, which was my birthday when I was six years old.
00:14:40.000Warning Americans about the emergence of a military-industrial complex that would corrode and devour our democracy from within and without, the institutions of our democracy.
00:14:53.000It would turn America into an imperium abroad and a security state at home.
00:14:59.000And Eisenhower warned specifically also When he defined military industrial complex, he included the federal scientific technocracy.
00:15:12.000It's a really fascinating speech in that way.
00:15:25.000They had, you know, almost 2,000 trained Cubans who intended to invade Cuba, but they waited.
00:15:33.000The Eisenhower-Nixon administration had waited to dump that project on the Kennedy on the next administration.
00:15:41.000And so he was then, my uncle was surrounded by an intelligence apparatus and military, his joint chiefs were saying, you got to go do this.
00:15:50.000And my uncle said, wait a minute, why are we invading a sovereign nation, a little nation?
00:15:55.000We're going to look like bullies to the world.
00:15:57.000And you know, I don't want a Marxist country there, but that's their choice.
00:16:41.000And they provided the ships for the flotilla.
00:16:45.000And of course, United Fruit had owned all the sugarcane in Cuba.
00:16:49.000So it was, again, this kind of merger of state and corporate power that, you know, and Dulles had represented United Fruit as a lawyer for Sullivan Cromwell before he got the CIA job.
00:17:00.000So it's all this kind of incestuous stuff that continues to infect and dictate policy at the CIA.
00:17:07.000But they said, listen, and Jack said, are you sure this is going to work?
00:17:13.000Are these guys just going to die there?
00:17:15.000And they said, no, as soon as they land, we've done all the intelligence.
00:17:19.000There's going to be a public uprising against Castro and he's going to, and the public will depose him.
00:17:25.000And, you know, these guys are going to be heroes.
00:17:28.000And Jack was very skeptical, didn't want to do it, but they said, we've trained these guys.
00:17:55.000And those guys, you know, some of them died on the beach, the rest were captured by cash.
00:18:01.000You know, Jack came out of the meeting, that meeting, and he said to his aide, I want to take the CIA, shatter it into a thousand pieces, and scatter it to the winds.
00:18:11.000And he fired Dulles, he fired Charlie Cabell, and he fired Richard Bissell, the three top guys in the CIA, and he brought in somebody, you know, John McComb, who he thought could run the agency, but the next Three years and a thousand days before his death were a constant battle with his military industrial complex.
00:18:32.000And interestingly, Russell, He realized in the middle of his presidency that Khrushchev was in the exact same position as he was.
00:18:43.000Khrushchev also had fought in World War II, had been at the Battle of Stalingrad, had seen the horror of war, did not want to go to war.
00:18:51.000But he was surrounded by military hawks and intelligence apparatus.
00:19:14.000We knew he was, this was when James Bond movies were coming out.
00:19:17.000And, you know, me and my, at that time there were eight or nine or 10 of us siblings.
00:19:24.000We all knew, you know, we knew about what a spy was, and we were very excited that this guy was actually a KGB spy, and he was very entertaining.
00:19:32.000He could do that, you know, Russian Cossack dancing, and he would do, uh, he would do rope climbing contests with my father, and push-up contests, and he was, he was kind of a bon-homme, a really, uh, a fun guy, always laughing very loud, singing, all this stuff.
00:19:50.000Oh, he became friends with my father and mother despite the anger at the State Department for letting a KGB guy into our house.
00:20:00.000Ruchef began smuggling private letters to my uncle through Oshkosh.
00:20:06.000So he was trying to end run his military intelligence apparatus.
00:20:12.000And my uncle began this correspondence.
00:20:17.000And they installed hotlines so they could talk to each other directly without talking to their apparatus.
00:20:24.000So in my brother's home, which used to be the Summer White House on Hyannisport, There's still wires sticking out of the wall.
00:20:33.000That was the red phone that we all knew when we were kids, that if we picked that up, Khrushchev would answer on the other line.
00:20:42.000And my uncle wanted to talk to him directly because he did not trust his intelligence agencies.
00:20:48.000And his intelligence agencies tried to get him to go into Laos.
00:20:53.000They said, you know, the communists would be a domino effect, and he refused, and he settled the Laotian War.
00:20:59.000They tried to get him to go into Vietnam to send combat troops, 250,000 combat troops, and it wasn't just The salad brass, as he called them, the top brass with all the salad on their uniforms, is what he used to call them.
00:21:15.000It was people he trusted, like Maxwell Taylor, and April Harriman, and Dean Acheson, and all these people who were kind of the gray beards.
00:21:22.000And they were all telling me, you've got to send 250,000 people in, or the communists are going to take over Vietnam, and then they're going to take over Cambodia, and then it's going to be Los Angeles.
00:21:39.000We can help them a little, like the French helped us during the revolution, but we cannot fight their war for them.
00:21:47.000And so, before he died, he ended up sending 16,000 military advisors to Vietnam.
00:21:58.000That was fewer people, fewer troops than he sent.
00:22:03.000Jackson, Mississippi to get one black man, James Meredith, into Ole Miss.
00:22:09.000He sent more federal troops there than he sent to Vietnam.
00:22:13.000The troops he sent were not combat troops.
00:22:15.000They were military advisors, mainly green-gray, and they were technically under the rules of engagement, not allowed to participate in combat.
00:22:43.000He signed that day a national security order, ordering all the troops out of Vietnam, all military advisors out of Vietnam by the end of 1965 with the first Allison on the next month.
00:23:31.000Bobby, how can you say, though, that it's beyond reasonable doubt that it was the CIA, just because he sacked some high-ups, because he was gonna dismantle it, or at least he had an intention to, because he was at odds with the military-industrial complex?
00:23:49.000Do you suspect in other high profile assassinations, there's a comparable structure behind it, including obviously, the assassination of your father.
00:24:00.000And also that if this is, you know, 70 years ago, whatever, how How entrenched are those deep state interests now with the current conflicts with comparable motivations?
00:24:21.000Do you not feel that when you have access to this kind of personal information, Do not feel that this is an indefatigable enemy, that this is an unstoppable machine.
00:24:31.000I mean, like, in this country, when, like, Jeremy Corbyn, like, you know, got a little bit of traction, like, the media just shut that dude down.
00:24:40.000Like, so, like, how can you talk out, speak out openly against these kind of interests, let alone try and mobilize a political movement and stand against them without serious fear of, you know, well, assassination?
00:24:55.000Well, let me answer the first question.
00:24:59.000Your first question was, you know, why do I say that the case against the CIA in terms of the assassination of my uncle is beyond a reasonable doubt?
00:25:13.000The answer to that would take us a 10-hour podcast to even summarize, because the amount of information is so voluminous at this point.
00:25:21.000There are more than a million documents.
00:25:25.000Including all the documents that show that Lee Harvey Oswald, that they recently released, you know, which we already knew, but it came as a shock to the United States because the president never reports it.
00:25:37.000And Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset.
00:26:25.000And one of the things that mold did is it allowed, the CIA believed, the U-2 flights were CIA, they weren't Air Force, and the U-2, the CIA believed that when Khrushchev shot down one of the U-2s in, I think, May of 1960, right before the election.
00:26:50.000The one where Gary Francis Powers was the pilot.
00:28:03.000Where he's picked up at the airport by George Morenshaw, who's a CIA asset, and then, you know, who gets him the job at the book depository, among many, many other things.
00:28:12.000But we know everything about what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing at that period, and before and after.
00:28:20.000We know his constant interactions with CIA handlers.
00:28:23.000His CIA handler was a guy called David Atlee Phillips.
00:28:28.000I've talked to Cuban assassins who Who saw Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas in November, oh no, in September, October of 1963 with Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:28:45.000But Lee Harvey Oswald Then did this, you know, somebody did a fake defection of him to attempt a defection to Cuba.
00:28:53.000It's kind of... We know so much about it, including confessions of many of the people who were involved in the assassination.
00:29:01.000You know, deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt, for example, who then went on to mastermind the Watergate break-in, and many, many others.
00:29:14.000So, at this point, The evidence, and by the way Russell, if you ever or anybody who's listening to this want to read probably the best distillation, the best digest of all of this material, a guy who's completely in encyclopedic command of the material and is a really rigorous scholar.
00:29:37.000Jim Douglas, and he wrote a book called The Unspeakable.
00:29:41.000I think it's the best book written about this, although I've read probably 40 or 50, maybe 100 books about, you know, the assassination stuff now, because once I started looking into it, I was interested in it.
00:29:55.000The evidence that the CIA killed my father is much less uh it is not well that well documented but it's highly circumstantial and I'll get to that in a second but I will tell you this one thing when I was when I was I guess I was uh almost 10 years old my uncle was killed and I was standing in the White House in the um in the foyer of the White House with my aunt Jackie Kennedy and my mother and my father
00:30:30.000My uncle's body was in the East Room and it was a time when we were waking him.
00:30:35.000And Lyndon Johnson comes in and tells my parents that Lee Harvey Oswald's just been shot and killed.
00:30:44.000And that the man who did it was a guy called Jack Ruby.
00:30:49.000And I said to my mom, I turned to my mom at that time and said, did he love our family?
00:30:55.000In other words, was Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald because he was upset, you know, about our family?
00:31:02.000And so I, at that point, like many Americans, was asking questions because this didn't look right.
00:31:15.000And I mean, Jack Ruby was a gangster who didn't like my family, who was, you know, my father.
00:31:20.000My father's initial reaction when his brother was killed, the first call that he made was to the CIA desk officer in Langley.
00:31:29.000And he said to him, did your people do this?
00:31:36.000Then he called up, the next call was Harry Ruiz, who was a Cuban refugee who I knew well, who was a constant fixture in our household.
00:31:46.000He had been at the Bay of Pigs, he had fought side by side with Castro and the Sierra Maestra, you know, after they all came back from Mexico.
00:31:54.000He was an engineer, he had been very close to Castro, then turned on Castro when Castro went communist.
00:32:00.000He was a very close friend of my father's.
00:32:03.000And by the way, I've talked extensively with Castro about this, all this stuff too.
00:32:11.000My father called Harry Ruiz and said to Harry Ruiz, did your people do this?
00:32:18.000Because the Cubans at that time had turned on my family and hated them and felt they were traitors because they had not rescued them at the beach.
00:32:26.000And because they had ended the raids by Alpha 66 and the other groups that were raiding Cuba all the time.
00:32:34.000So the Cubans were very angry at my parents, my father thought, and they were all linked with the CIA.
00:32:41.000My father thought maybe that the CIA had done it, maybe using Cubans.
00:32:47.000And then the third conversation he had that morning, I was, I had been brought home from Sidwell Friends School when my uncle was shot.
00:32:54.000And I arrived at the same time John McComb arrived at my house.
00:32:59.000Who was the director of the CIA at that time.
00:33:02.000And my father brought him for a walk in the yard and said the same thing to him.
00:33:09.000So, you know, my father's first instinct, which was a good instinct, turns out, was that the CIA had killed his brother.
00:33:17.000I didn't think that I would ever be the person to change the subject from evidence, albeit anecdotal, that the Kennedys were murdered by the CIA, but I have to do that because I want to talk to you about the pandemic.
00:33:34.000Throughout this campaign your name will be prefixed with the term anti-vaxxer.
00:33:39.000That's one of the ways that you'll be discredited and smeared.
00:33:43.000But I would like you to share with us, if you can, a little about how you feel the pandemic was used to assert control, profit the pharmaceutical industry, grant opportunity To regulate, introduce surveillance and measures that may otherwise have been resisted.
00:34:03.000What does the pandemic period tell us about power and in the event that you became president how would you address what's happened in the last couple of years?
00:34:20.000Well, you know, I wrote a book about how the pandemic was misused and that it was not, you know, the public health response was not about public health.
00:34:34.000It was a militarized and monetized response.
00:34:36.000It was a pretense for clamping down totalitarian controls.
00:34:39.000And the weird thing about the pandemic was this constant When Operation Warp Speed made its presentation to FDA, to the committee they call the VRBPAC committee at FDA, VRBPAC asked for the organizational charts which were classified up to that time, and when Warp Speed turned over the organizational charts,
00:35:11.000They shocked everybody because the top organization that had managed Warp Speed was not HHS, which is a public health agency.
00:36:13.000They were coming from, this was a military project from the beginning.
00:36:18.000And so, and then you have, one of the things I detail in my book is these simulations
00:36:29.000and I uncovered about 20 different simulations, coronavirus and pandemic simulations
00:36:35.000that started in 2001, the first one right before the anthrax attacks.
00:36:44.000And then every year the CIA was doing these, and the CIA was sponsoring them all, and they were, the last one was event 201, Which was in October of 2019, and the participants in there are Avril Haines, who was the former Deputy Director of the CIA, who has been managing cover-ups her entire life.
00:37:04.000She did the Guantanamo Bay and, you know, the spying on the Senate, and she's right, she is now the Director, the DNI, Director of National Intelligence, which makes her basically the highest-ranking officer at the NSA, which managed the pandemic.
00:37:20.000So you have a spy who is convening these pandemic simulations, and each of these simulations going back 20 years, they're not simulating a public health response.
00:37:35.000They're not doing the kind of things, how do we stockpile vitamin D?
00:37:38.000How do we get people outdoors, losing weight, doing exercise?
00:37:43.000How do we develop an information grid?
00:37:46.000All the 15 million doctors, frontline physicians all over the world, We're gonna be encountering this disease so that we can get their information about what they're doing that works and what doesn't work and put together a model of, you know, okay, here are the drugs, the repurposed drugs that are work, here are the treatments that work.
00:38:05.000We have an incredible opportunity for managing pandemic in a way that was, you know, intelligent and sensitive and, you know, devastating to the disease.
00:38:17.000It was all about how you use the pandemic To clamp down censorship.
00:38:23.000How do you use it to, you know, enforce the lockdowns?
00:38:26.000Which, by the way, the lockdowns, every pandemic preparedness document that had been adopted by the major public health agencies, whether it was CDC, WHO, the European Health Agency, the National Health Services of Britain, all of them said, you don't do lockdowns.
00:39:27.000And remember, the people who are here, who are they?
00:39:30.000Evel Haynes, the CIA, now DNI, Director of National Intelligence, who was the CIA Deputy Director Former Bill Gates, you know, a lot of Tony Fauci's people, the pharmaceutical industries, the big media, Bloomberg, et cetera, all the social media companies.
00:39:51.000And then somebody odd, who's George Gao, who's the director of the Chinese CDC.
00:40:02.000Nobody knows about coronavirus there, and yet they're drilling a coronavirus epidemic, a world global coronavirus epidemic.
00:40:10.000Well, nobody's going to ever hear the word coronavirus.
00:40:13.000The Chinese first acknowledged it on January 1st, so three months later.
00:40:17.000We now know coronavirus was already circulating in Wuhan, and the Chinese knew about it at least by September 19th.
00:40:25.000So that's a month before that pandemic simulation.
00:40:28.000George Gao is the Chinese head of the CDC and the Chinese expert on coronavirus.
00:40:35.000So clearly, he must have known that coronavirus was circulating.
00:40:40.000On September 19th, a month before that simulation, the Chinese military kicked down the door of the Wuhan lab.
00:40:48.000Went in and took all of the genomic sequences off of the public-facing websites and started destroying all of the links between the lab and the virus, and put a military general away in charge of the lab.
00:41:06.000So they clearly knew that it had come from the lab and that it was already circulating.
00:41:11.000And it circulated, Al, we know, down the subway line.
00:41:15.000The subway line that leads to the airport from the lab to the airport.
00:41:19.000So they knew it in October, and they had this simulation in New York.
00:41:25.000And people there, some of those people must have known it was already circulating.
00:41:33.000And you can go up on YouTube right now and look this up.
00:41:37.000They talk about how do we stop people from saying that this came from a lab leak?
00:41:44.000And the people who are leading that discussion are the CIA director, Avril Haines, deputy director, and George Gayle from the Chinese CDC.
00:41:53.000And Avril Haines says, essentially she's saying, George Gayle is saying, we gotta censor the social media.
00:41:59.000We gotta stop them from saying it's a lab leak.
00:42:02.000Anybody who says that needs to be deplatformed.
00:42:05.000This is six months before all this started happening.
00:42:10.000And then Avril Haines says, Not only do we have to censor, but we need to flood the zone with authoritative voices who say, who dismiss the idea that this was a lab leak.
00:42:21.000Oh, they were, you know, either they're incredible soothsayers, or they, you know, or there's something weird going on with this, that they were doing it.
00:42:30.000And that is in the first one, they were doing this again and again, they did it six months earlier, the same thing, another coronavirus epidemic.
00:42:38.000And I detail all of these in my book, and every one of them the CIA wrote the script for.
00:42:44.000Now, When Biden gets in there, or when, you know, at the beginning of the pandemic, Mike Pompeo, who's the Secretary of State, says, oh, you know, this looks like it may have come from Wuhan.
00:43:02.000Oh, he gets four different branches at State Department to do an investigation, a massive investigation about whether it's come from Wuhan.
00:43:09.000If you read Catherine Even's article on Vanity Fair, she does an amazing job at this.
00:43:14.000And she shows that intelligence officers came into one of those meetings later on this spring and said, we're shutting this whole thing down because the US government, which means Fauci, but also the CIA, was funding all of that research in that lab.
00:43:33.000So Fauci was funding, Fauci funded about 26 million dollars.
00:43:39.000The CIA was the biggest funder through USAID, about 64 million, and then the Pentagon was the second biggest.
00:43:45.000So the whole, it wasn't just Fauci, it was the whole U.S.
00:43:48.000intelligence military apparatus that was basically handing over cutting-edge military technology, bioweapons technology, to these Chinese scientists who were messing with it.
00:44:46.000We're never going to be able to find out.
00:44:48.000The intelligence agencies say that we can't figure it out.
00:44:52.000And so it doesn't, you know, it doesn't have good optics at the same person.
00:44:57.000And, you know, and she continues to be the primary advisor to President Biden on these on, you know, on coronavirus.
00:45:08.000What you're saying, Robert, is such a radical departure from the mainstream narrative and even leaves many hardened conspiracy theorists quivering like Boy Scouts when you say that it's not even of opportunism that there legitimately was a virus, that in good faith there was an attempt to curtail it and control it, when it was observed that these methods were not effective, they were not quick enough in responding, There were no clinical trials for the Pfizer vaccine around transmission, but they didn't broadcast that fact or were not explicit about that.
00:45:45.000All of these kind of things that I suppose now seem like the sort of workaday layman's conspiracy theories, ...are left in the dust when you say that this is something that the intelligence agencies and the military-industrial complex have been involved in since the get-go, that companies like Pfizer and Moderna merely facilitated the distribution and branding, that this has always been a global operation that was designed to introduce draconian measures that would otherwise not have been introduced.
00:46:18.000And saying something like this, is that if you cannot prove that, isn't it going to discredit the necessary... and I know you've written a massive and very successful book on it, but that book's... that's hard going, that book, Robert.
00:46:32.000I mean, Jesus Christ, it's hard enough to read it, let alone bloody write the thing.
00:46:36.000Like, like, like, like, how, like, because I feel like that you are exactly what's necessary, and I feel like mad, crazy shit can happen in politics, because Trump, you know, like, and I feel like that what you need is an anti-establishment figure, and yet, from your history, you know, you know where the wires are for the Khrushchev batphone, like, the Kossak dancing spy in the front room.
00:46:58.000Your personal history is so sort of, like, like this, like, absurd American version of the crown, It's like so incredible to hear but like I actually feel that you are what is required but like that is so hardcore and extreme.
00:47:17.000I know our Rumble audience, this lot, they'll bloody well love it.
00:47:20.000They've been dragging me along out of the mainstream.
00:47:22.000I could have been in movies till about six weeks ago.
00:47:25.000This lot got me in all sorts of crap, right?
00:47:28.000So, like, what I feel like is, are these the ideas and issues and the framing that you're going to be going into, like, presi- not presidential debates, we know Joe Biden won't have them, but, like, going into this campaign with?
00:47:42.000And what kind of What onslaught are you going to get from the corralled forces of the establishment?
00:47:49.000And then after this we'll move on to the war in Ukraine.
00:47:52.000God knows where you're going to go with that.
00:47:56.000I only get to your first question on each one of these things.
00:48:00.000Let me just answer that and it's going to kind of brand me as a worse conspiracy theorist.
00:48:04.000But, you know, all the things that I'm saying are documented.
00:48:09.000There are things that I don't know and there are, you know, there are dots that need to be connected, but I don't try to connect them.
00:48:17.000I just say, here's what we know, here's what we can prove.
00:48:19.000So I'm just finishing now this book on the Wuhan lab.
00:48:25.000And I, you know, I had to kind of put together this history, which was fascinating because You know, why was the CIA so involved with gain-of-function and so obsessed with it?
00:48:36.000And I went back and kind of traced this history, which is the CIA was created in 1947, and the first task that it was given was Operation Paperclip, which had already been ongoing.
00:48:49.000The Joint Chiefs were already bringing it over, but that was bringing over all the Nazi weapons scientists, many of them, who were destined for the gallows in Nuremberg.
00:48:59.000And the CIA created these rat lines to smuggle them out from under the nose of Nuremberg prosecutors and bring them over to Fort Detrick and to other of these weapons labs.
00:49:09.000A lot of them are nuke scientists, but a lot of them were bioweapons scientists because Hitler and Goering had a huge bioweapons program and they'd done a lot of work on it.
00:49:24.000At the same time, the biggest bioweapons program was in Japan, and it was managed by a scientist called Shiro Ishii, who was just this diabolical Mengele-like scientist who was doing human experiments that were, you know, as bad as anything that the Nazis did.
00:49:41.000But he then was brought under the U.S.
00:49:45.000wing and protected from the Russians who wanted to hang him.
00:49:48.000And they brought all those scientists over.
00:49:53.000So in that program, they brought all the Japanese scientists.
00:49:57.000And those scientists who initiated the U.S.
00:50:00.000Bioweapons Program at its birth, not only imprinted it with a lot of their cell cultures, etc., but also with a lot of their I would say ethical elasticity or ethical lacunae.
00:50:16.000And that continues to, you know, to sort of infect the entire bioweapons program.
00:50:22.000Now, we put huge amounts of money into bioweapons.
00:51:50.000The only congressman to read it was my campaign manager, Dennis Kucinich.
00:51:56.000And he was in Congress at that time and he told me not one copy was available to any congressman.
00:52:02.000A 350 act that suddenly appeared the day after 9-11 and that dismantles basically the United States Constitution.
00:52:11.000Interestingly, that act, which nobody read, had a provision in it that revokes effectively the Geneva Convention and the Nixon's bioweapons charter.
00:52:23.000Oh, all of the, you know, so it basically relaunched the bioweapons arms race.
00:52:31.000There were two guys who were blocking it, Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle.
00:52:58.000And by the way, that anthrax, which was also used as the excuse for going into Iraq and invading Iraq because Saddam Hussein did it, you know, we were told.
00:53:09.000It turns out, after a two-year investigation, the FBI came back and said, that anthrax was Ames anthrax, highly sophisticated, there's only one place in the world it could have come from, Fort Detrick, which is the CIA Pentagon lab.
00:53:24.000So, at that point, the Pentagon began pumping a lot of money into bioweapons, about $2 billion a year, but they don't want to do it because they don't know if the Patriot Act is actually legal.
00:53:37.000Because the Patriot Act, what it says is, We're not revoking the Geneva Convention.
00:53:42.000We're not invoking the Bioweapons Charter.
00:53:44.000And we're making a law that any federal official that violates those two bills cannot be prosecuted.
00:53:50.000So the treaties are still in place, but they give an exemption to all federal officials.
00:53:57.000The Pentagon's not sure that that's legal.
00:54:00.000And by the way, if you violate those provisions of Geneva, it's a death penalty.
00:54:55.000Obama shuts down all of Fauci's projects, orders them closed, has a moratorium, but Fauci doesn't shut them down.
00:55:02.000He continues doing them, and then he starts shipping everything over to Wuhan, where he can do it offshore, out of sight of these federal overseers and all the nosy scientists like Richard Ebright and the others from the Cambridge Working Group who were horrified by what he was doing.
00:55:20.000And that's kind of why the short story of why, you know, we're doing all this stuff in Wuhan rather than doing it at University of North Carolina in Galveston, which is where they were doing it before.
00:55:33.000Right, to see this sort of the intricate relationships between these varying complex ideas outlaid in this mad anecdotal way, this fireside chat with an uncle who explains that there is just entrenched corruption everywhere you look, is a real delight but also quite bloody terrifying as a matter of fact.
00:55:58.000How are we to take seriously the claim that the war between Ukraine and Russia elicits the involvement of America only from a humanitarian perspective when it is so costly and humanitarianism so seldom seems like the motivation for war.
00:56:35.000Are we pushing Russia and China into a closer alliance?
00:56:41.000How are you bloody well going to undo this?
00:56:44.000After this question, the war one, we're going to go through these pledges and then we're going to talk about what's going to happen if You know, if this stuff gets properly off the ground, and I know you've got 20% in the polls.
00:56:54.000So firstly, yeah, is it a humanitarian war?
00:57:00.000What's going to be the impact of the escalating tensions between the US and Russia?
00:57:04.000And of course, the agitation of China through the semiconductor Taiwan gear?
00:57:11.000Well, you know, we were sold on the fact that it was a humanitarian war and we were sold using these kind of Formulaic narratives that, you know, Putin is the evil Hitler-like figure, you know, or Saddam Hussein, whoever it is, the one that we need to go to war and that we are the good guys and that it's a humanitarian war.
00:57:32.000But we have not been acting like it's a humanitarian war.
00:57:34.000And by the way, my own son went over there and was fighting over there.
00:57:38.000He fought, you know, he was a machine gunner in a special force unit.
00:57:44.000And fought in the Kharkiv Offensive, you know, motivated by those impulses, by the humanitarian impulse, by the courage of the Ukrainian people, by the brutality of the Russian invasion, etc.
00:57:56.000But if you look at the history of why, you know, what's happened over there, and you go back a little bit in history, in 1990-91, when the Soviet Union was collapsing, we made a deal with Gorbachev, Britain and the United States, and It was over the reunification, which is a very dicey issue of Germany, because the Russians had 400,000 troops in East Germany.
00:58:23.000And we wanted to reunite East Germany under NATO, which had been the Russian enemy.
00:58:29.000So the Russians were naturally worried.
00:58:34.000And said, if we take our troops out, we want to make sure that you're not getting a beachhead and you're not going to move NATO into all of our, you know, former satellite states and make us feel like we're under attack, like we're being encircled.
00:58:48.000And President Bush famously told them, we will not move NATO one inch to the east.
00:58:54.000Well, since then we've moved it a thousand miles to the east, and we've incorporated 14 of the Russian former satellite states, and we've put nuclear missile capable systems, the Aegis missile system, which is manufactured by Lockheed, in both Romania and Poland, and the Russians were terrified we'd put that in Ukraine, which is only 400 miles from Russia.
00:59:23.000And they repeatedly said to us, you know, you cannot incorporate Ukraine into NATO.
00:59:29.000We then unilaterally walked away from our two intermediate nuclear weapons treaties with Russia.
00:59:36.000So we had treaties saying you can't use intermediate nuclear weapons.
00:59:43.000And we canceled both of them unilaterally.
00:59:45.000We told the Russians we're not doing that anymore.
00:59:48.000Surrounding these missile systems, we started practicing, you know, incorporating Ukraine into interoperability with NATO forces.
00:59:59.000Zelensky runs in joining up, we then overthrow, we helped overthrow the democratically elected government of the Ukraine in 2014, and install a very ultra-nationalist, and that is a polite way of describing them, ultra-nationalist, you know, It's extremely anti-Russian.
01:00:20.000That prompts the Russians to go in and invade Crimea because they're terrified that now that we have
01:00:27.000our own government in place there, we're going to put the naval of our US Navy fleet
01:00:32.000in a warm water port that they've had for, I think, 370 years.
01:00:48.000Then the new Russian government comes in and enacts all of these oppressive laws
01:00:55.000against the ethnic Russian majority in Eastern Ukraine.
01:01:03.00080% of the people who are in the hospital are not vaccinated.
01:01:04.00080% of the people in the Donbas are ethnic Russians, and they were able to have their own language, and they felt part of the Ukraine, but suddenly there's all these laws being passed saying, you know, that language is no longer any good, you have to speak Ukrainian, and treated essentially as red-headed stepchildren.
01:01:23.000And they start doing protests, and the government then reacts violently, and you basically have a civil war in which 14,000 ethnic Russians are killed.
01:01:33.000You know, I was here in 1962 when the Russians put nuclear missile sites in Cuba.
01:01:40.000And we were ready to invade, even though we didn't even know they had that, that they were armed at that point.
01:01:46.000And if they had also, you know, if Mexico did that, we'd be in there in a second.
01:01:50.000If Mexico started killing American expatriates, you know, 14,000 of them, we'd invade in a second.
01:01:56.000So we have a Monroe Doctrine that we've been forced for hundreds of years that says, Nobody can put any, no other major power can put any military equipment in our hemisphere.
01:02:27.000My father, my uncle, in 1963 gave his most important speech, the American University speech.
01:02:35.000And that speech, he tried to do what I'm doing right now.
01:02:39.000He told America, it was a speech to the American people, you've got to put yourself in the shoes of the Russians and understand how they have a worldview.
01:02:49.000You have to put yourself in the shoes of your adversary.
01:02:53.000And he went through this history of the suffering that Russia had endured during World War II and why, explaining why it would want to have a legitimate claim to protect its borders.
01:03:04.000And the U.S., you know, the Ukraine today is a victim of U.S.
01:03:09.000aggression as well, because Zelensky ran in 2019.
01:03:14.000And okay, here's a guy who's a comedian and an actor, and I'm not saying that in a disparaging way.
01:04:30.000And our government has admitted, President Biden has admitted that this is, you know, the old neocon aspiration.
01:04:38.000This war is about getting rid of Putin.
01:04:42.000And his Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, acknowledged in April 2022 that the war is about The U.S.
01:04:53.000purpose of engaging this war is to exhaust and degrade the Russian army so they're incapable of fighting anywhere else in the world.
01:05:01.000So that is our objective in this war, and it is a proxy war that is using the bodies of the flower of Ukrainian youth, putting them into an abattoir where they are being mercilessly killed.
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