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00:00:18.000You deserve a new elderly president That basically works for the financial industry and the military-industrial complex who basically got the CIA to lie for him.
00:00:30.000Who basically, like any of us would, got his son a good job at Burisma.
00:00:34.000I'd get my kids a good job at Burisma.
00:00:36.000Yeah, your daughters are a bit young at the moment.
00:01:48.000Saga's coming on here, and he used to work for Tucker.
00:01:51.000He's going to give us the inside scoop, but as you know, I've peed in Tucker's garden.
00:01:56.000That is not a euphemism, and I know that a lot of you don't like Tucker, but I've met Tucker, and he's actually an extremely kind, nice person.
00:02:05.000We're going to be talking to Saga Saga Saga about Fox, CNN and who will be the next old stooge in charge of distracting you from the way that power fundamentally operates regardless of which political party you either vote or don't vote for while you're prevented from awakening to the possibility of new independent political movements that actually Represent you.
00:02:32.000But you could be mistaken for thinking that Joe Biden makes a difference.
00:02:35.000If you watch his propaganda, it's some of the nicest propaganda we actually, Gareth and I... I went out and voted Democrat after this.
00:04:02.000That is why we are currently now uprising all around the world for decentralised democracies running our own communities, transcending beyond the culture war, refusing to yield to their hate.
00:05:37.000In February, the Biden administration urged Congress to renew a warrantless surveillance law that allows the government to collect messages and phone data of Americans without a court order.
00:07:16.000No, we'll do a bit more of this video.
00:07:18.000Okay, also look at this, while we're on the subject of Biden's freedom fighting, cutting tax on the rich, the Democrats' Build Back Better bill.
00:07:26.000Whenever you hear Build Back Better or Bilderberg Group, do you think about Build-A-Bear?
00:07:54.000Build Back Better is a gigantic tax cut for millionaires and billionaires.
00:07:57.000Under Biden, Democratic lawmakers pushed a regressive proposal to allow wealthy property owners to deduct more of their state and local taxes, that's SALT as an acronym, from their federal taxes.
00:08:06.000This initiative provides almost no benefit to the working class but enriches their rich donors.
00:11:10.000And like, even though we talked about differences of opinion on cultural and political issues, it was an honest in good faith discourse that I feel it's difficult to have in what you might call central left media spaces.
00:11:24.000And that's, I suppose, one of the significant changes that we've been, that's been occurring lately.
00:11:29.000Saga, what we are offering is that Tucker's removal or departure from Fox is significant.
00:11:35.000In a sense, a marker of the transition from centralised media organisations to more independent media organisations.
00:11:42.000I say that with no knowledge of what Tucker might do next, obviously.
00:11:47.000But what do you think Tucker's departure tells us more broadly about the deterioration of the mainstream media?
00:11:55.000Yeah, the mainstream media is crumbling here.
00:11:57.000I mean, I heard for so long about how O'Reilly, nobody could replace him.
00:12:16.000We watched Rupert Murdoch, the Australian billionaire, just axe Tucker.
00:12:21.000And from what I know, Russell, I can tell you, I can tell you from speaking to people here in Washington, and it's also been reported elsewhere, one of the reasons that Tucker was canned from Fox News is because he was telling the truth about what happened on January 6th.
00:12:34.000He was one of the people who exposed Ray Epps and some of the other alleged agent provocateurs that were present on January 6th.
00:12:47.000So you think it's precisely because Tucker Carlson has become an iconoclastic and independent voice willing to speak out against both the left and right in spite of the ongoing charges from people on the left that he uses dog whistle racism and all kinds of stuff like that.
00:13:01.000You think that in effect, he's a peripheral and anti-establishment voice to the point where he could no longer be housed within the mainstream.
00:13:09.000I'm almost certain that was one of the big factors in his departure.
00:13:13.000We should remember, everyone is talking about Dominion.
00:13:16.000We should also forget, or don't forget, Tucker didn't have anything to do with Dominion.
00:13:20.000Yes, his text messages came out, but he was actually one of the only people on the network who aired anything dissident about her and said that she, quote, was full of it.
00:13:29.000Really what it is, is that the previous night, Sunday night, 60 Minutes here in America, did a segment about Ray Epps in a sympathetic light where they actually blamed Tucker Carlson and others for casting him as an alleged Asian provocateur.
00:13:43.000And he, as far as I understand it, at the very least, was probably going to mention that on his show.
00:13:48.000There was a lot of other stuff going on.
00:13:50.000I don't want to say this is the only thing.
00:13:51.000There was another lawsuit alleging a sexist workplace or whatever behind the scenes.
00:13:55.000Look, I worked with a man for several years.
00:13:57.000I can say I never saw him do anything like that.
00:14:00.000I'm not sure what this lady has, but I do know that for Murdoch himself, Rupert Murdoch, January 6th was a major dividing line.
00:14:09.000And I do think that that was one of the major precipitating factors as to why Tucker was ultimately fired unceremoniously from the network.
00:14:16.000I mean, he was the biggest star there.
00:14:18.000And look, I honestly think it is a good thing.
00:14:20.000I think it's a good thing, Russell, that millions more people are consuming your show, my show, people like the Jimmy Dore Show, the Tim Pool Show, Kyle Kulinski Show.
00:14:28.000There's so many more out there where this is the demarcation point.
00:14:33.000You know, I saw a lot of people say, Fox will be fine.
00:14:35.000Well, because they're number one in cable.
00:14:38.000That's like being number one in the classified ads business in 2001.
00:15:06.000So many other independent YouTube creators.
00:15:08.000Think about where Joe Rogan, our mutual friend, was in 2017.
00:15:12.000Look at our exponential growth and look at their declining So you can look at those two trends and you tell me where you think that's going to go.
00:15:20.000I think it's a good thing for the future.
00:15:21.000It looks like there's an epochal shift taking place that goes beyond any individuals, but perhaps can be momentarily symbolized by them, particularly in this instance.
00:15:31.000Two other things I'd like to pick up on, Saga, is the fact that in this new emergent space, figures that are politically opposed, like Jimmy Dore, you and Crystal even, generally speaking, Tim Paul, myself, All operate collegiately and civilly.
00:15:49.000And perhaps this demonstrates that there's been a shift from left versus right to established materialism versus dissenting or peripheral voices.
00:16:16.000You know, whenever you've done NewsMe, one of your famous clips on Morning Joe, what I loved about it, but you've done this song and dance before.
00:16:23.000You come in there and you come to their studio and they tell you that they want to discuss nationalism or some topic which requires nuance and discussion.
00:17:06.000If you give them the opportunity, they will take the time to sit with you, to listen, to learn about something.
00:17:13.000I find that the people at Independent Media are 10 to 15 times more and better informed than many people who are just casual observers, And it's because I think of the medium that we have.
00:18:13.000The vast majority of their profits comes from the cable news bundle, people like Cox Communications, paying Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC to be part of the bundle.
00:18:23.000They don't make that much money, actually, from advertising.
00:18:26.000This is a multi-billion dollar business.
00:18:28.000Now, the next time those negotiations are up, let's say in the next seven years or so for each of those platforms, they are going to discover that because of their declining viewership, they're going to make a lot less money.
00:18:38.000That is when, Russell, they are going to be stomping and using their establishment credentials To crush your show, my show, and others.
00:18:47.000Because when they see how little money they're about to make, they're about to be in the fight of their lives.
00:18:51.000That's when the knives are really coming out.
00:18:53.000So right now, unfortunately, I think we're looking at child's play.
00:18:57.000I think that the censorship battle five to seven years from now will be absolutely titanic.
00:19:03.000They will be pushing, and they've already laid the groundwork for this.
00:19:05.000That's why the Restrict Act is written as it was.
00:19:08.000That's why the groundwork was made where CNN's media reporters and those people, they get to tell Facebook and Apple Podcasts and others to take down whoever they want.
00:19:17.000This is all just battle space, shaping.
00:19:20.000These are like shaping operations in a war.
00:19:25.000You know, the first shots might have been fired, but we are years away from what I think that the real fight is going to look like.
00:19:30.000I like the image you seem to be using there that we have a sort of a primordial soup in which formations are beginning to emerge.
00:19:37.000Tactics are beginning to become apparent and you would anticipate more smearing, more shutting down of dissent, more opportunistic and untrue attacks on dissenting voices.
00:19:52.000It's not just establishment media though that is experiencing the problems that come with the rise of technology and the ability to communicate immediately and ubiquitously.
00:20:04.000Centralised politics is suffering in the same way.
00:20:06.000In spite of this, Joe Biden has announced his 2024 presidential candidacy as expected.
00:20:11.000Do you imagine The same problems that are besieging centralised mainstream media are also approaching the political sphere as well, Saga.
00:20:25.000Do you think that new independent political voices might emerge bolstered and symbiotically informed by independent media?
00:20:34.000I would hope so, but I also understand how closed of a system it is.
00:20:38.000I think people need to understand that the average voter, unfortunately, doesn't matter.
00:20:43.000I think democracy, small d democracy, should be put into place.
00:20:47.000But unfortunately, the way that power works is everybody's talking to each other.
00:20:52.000The reason CNN has influence is because the 200,000 people who watch it, half of them live here in DC.
00:20:58.000If the right congressman or the president or right watches the CNN segment, then nobody and a lot of people may not be watching it, but the influence is 10x.
00:21:07.000We have to get to the point where not only do we exist in a numbers wise, but you can wield real political power.
00:21:14.000Now, unfortunately, that has not happened yet.
00:21:16.000But I also do believe that it is possible.
00:21:17.000I mean, if we look at the previous Tulsi Gabbard campaign, if we look at the current candidacy of Marianne Williamson, if we look at R.F.K.
00:21:25.000Jr., actually, is really where everyone should be stunned.
00:21:28.000is a man who has been literally blackballed by all of the mainstream media.
00:21:43.000We should forget Ross Perot won some 19% of the vote here in the United States in 1992.
00:21:49.000And he also was a figure totally bashed and smeared by the media.
00:21:53.000Now, I'm not saying that these people can win necessarily, but let's say you're an average citizen and you want to find out, what does RFK Jr.
00:22:02.000I don't actually know about what he thinks.
00:22:04.000You're not going to go to the Today Show or any of these other places.
00:22:07.000You're going to go on YouTube and you're going to go see and watch an interview with him.
00:22:11.000As that happens, as that scale begins to scale up over time, I think it is ultimately inevitable that the power will shift.
00:22:19.000But, to bring back to my previous point, they will fight as hard as they possibly can to make sure that that never happens.
00:22:24.000We're going to have RFK on our show, but I know that he's one of those people that is just surrounded by clouds of condemnation, that they try to create a climate where, you know, where you're guilty by association, that terms like anti-vaxxer become so pejorative that you can't engage in the conversation.
00:22:44.000Now, a few years later, we're beginning to see how erroneous many of those assumptions around the pandemic arguments were.
00:22:49.000And in fact, the necessity for open and good faith conversations.
00:22:54.000And so you would, plainly, what you're saying is that it's sensible to have RFK on our show to listen to what he has to say, what his policies are, what his ideas are, how he would direct America.
00:23:55.000I find them to be tremendously inspirational heroes in my own personal political views.
00:24:00.000And I would like to hear about how he possibly wants to have that legacy and move it forward.
00:24:04.000In other words, you know, letting people be branded and then even almost, let's say that you have them on and you have a unidimensional view of, I want to destroy this person.
00:24:12.000I never walk into an interview like that.
00:24:15.000I don't find it to be interesting at all, even if I vehemently disagree with that person.
00:24:19.000Because if they're prominent, let's say, you know, especially in RFK's case, clearly it appeals to someone.
00:25:11.000But beyond that, I mean, it's just, it's fascinating to me that a 23-year-old who would later become President of the United States would write a book in real time as World War II was breaking out about Probably says more about me than JFK, but I've sort of primarily focused on sort of the glamour, the adultery, and obviously the conspiracies that surround his assassination that was definitely a straightforward murder by one guy standing on a hill with a bullet that could defy the laws of physics.
00:25:51.000But I'd be interested to learn about his abilities as a writer and as an academic.
00:25:58.000Saga, before you go, if you would humor us further, we know that you are interested in the subject of unidentified flying objects, or whatever the hell they're called now.
00:26:07.000Why do you think it is that they're suddenly being openly discussed?
00:26:11.000You know people who like a band before they become popular, right?
00:26:15.000I'm like, I used to like UFOs when I was like 16 years old and everyone was like, well why is there no good footage of UFOs then?
00:26:22.000Why don't they land on the White House lawn?
00:26:24.000And now it's like the CIA are releasing footage of them in war zones and stuff.
00:27:02.000They're trying to get to the bottom of it.
00:27:03.000And eventually enough information was able to make it out that they were dragged kicking and screaming.
00:27:08.000Now, even right now, Russell, I can tell you inside of Congress, there are only one or two people who even care about the issue and they are also dragging the Pentagon,
00:27:16.000kicking and screaming, trying to get information out of them. Remember, it's been over two years
00:27:20.000since we were supposed to have that initial report. We still, we have no more video. We
00:27:24.000have one new video. It's a good video.
00:27:26.000It's very interesting, but it's not, based upon what I have understood to exist in the archives
00:27:32.000and more, this is not even scratching the surface.
00:27:35.000And unfortunately, I think people are viewing it almost as some sort of psyop where I completely get where they're coming from.
00:27:43.000But You know, I also do cover Washington.
00:27:46.000I can tell you, you know, from people in the Pentagon and more, this is the last thing they would rather be talking about.
00:27:51.000No, they're not also using it, you know, to increase their funding requests.
00:27:55.000And also, at a time when they would have needed more funding a decade ago, when some of these videos were actually being taken in real time, they tried their best to keep it secret.
00:28:03.000So when I look at all of that, I don't yet see it.
00:28:06.000I see an incompetent, bumbling bureaucracy intent on keeping this secret because here's the truth.
00:28:11.000They're just like us and they have no idea what the hell is going on.
00:28:16.000Let's have a look at their recently released UFO footage saga and after that I want to ask you about what you imagine they've got on their files or at least your speculation while acknowledging there is speculation.
00:30:06.000I'm a big fan of the book, The Three-Body Problem, which I do actually believe is one of the more accurate views of kind of what and how a human civilization would react in the event of of a visiting but let's put all of that aside and the philosophical debate.
00:30:20.000This is also just a very straightforward story about being lied to and not getting the truth.
00:30:25.000I've done multiple videos about the past of UFO cover-ups all the way going back to Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 to the subsequent conclusions inside of the Pentagon that we are almost certainly being visited by an alien civilization that was covered up in the 1950s Project Blue Book.
00:30:40.000People can go back and look all of this up because again it takes a very long time to explain.
00:30:47.000Listen, Christopher Mellon, former Assistant Secretary of Defense, he was a State Senate appointed official inside the Pentagon, is on the record saying that there is a video of two crafts that are flying together, two pilots and a UFO that zooms in between people inside the cockpit video, absolutely freaking out about seeing that.
00:31:07.000They said it's one of the most high-impact videos that exists around this.
00:31:11.000And I also do think All of the discussion around, oh, we don't have any video of that.
00:31:17.000First of all, the presumption is that this is a highly advanced civilization or advanced technology.
00:31:23.000But second, all of these are happening either several hundred thousand feet or thousands of feet up in the air or miles off to sea.
00:31:30.000Cameras don't exist There, you know, it's not a place that a lot of people are necessarily with their cell phone.
00:31:37.000So I think you put all of that together and very slowly we're getting dribblings of this.
00:31:45.000It could be a Chinese drone going Mach 7, but I don't think so.
00:31:49.000And there's good reason to say not so.
00:31:51.000In a sense, it breaks the framework of how we regard reality and so much of how power operates requires that we stay within such narrow framing, quarrel, quibble and sling mud within that framework.
00:32:04.000And once you start to recognize that the universe and reality are not as we assume it to be, then cultural questions, political questions, questions around how we organize start to become sort of less significant, less underscored by Passion and primal impulse.
00:32:24.000It induces in me a kind of sanguinity and a kind of willingness to be, I don't know, I suppose, more loving.
00:32:31.000And I feel like I heard early tapes of Bob Lazar, because remember, I'm a longtime aficionado, sort of saying that, like Timothy Goode and stuff, talking about how like there's a sort of a concomitant feeling of love somehow.
00:32:46.000It sort of induces a feeling of That's incredibly well said.
00:32:50.000I take great humility in the fact that we have no idea.
00:32:52.000you somewhat like, you know, you see like a Rorschach test what you want to see in there,
00:32:56.000and I want to see the possibility for meaningful change.
00:32:59.000Yeah, that's incredibly well said. I take great humility in the fact that we have no idea, and I find
00:33:06.000that to be very inspiring. I find, you know, I know that, I believe you're a fan of Graham Hancock
00:33:39.000Nobody knew why a hole was in the center of it.
00:33:41.000It turns out that it's a sophisticated hurricane warning system that only when the wind goes over 60 miles per hour makes a sound that can warn everybody around you.
00:33:51.000If you really believe that that was, you know, just happenstance and that didn't require, you know, the knowledge of a very advanced civilization or the Perry Rees map.
00:34:00.000I have a Perry Rees map actually over there about the, you know, the ancient view of Antarctica and how it was What if it's a prison of humankind?
00:34:07.000What if it's actually not even close to where we were before?
00:35:06.000They're sort of difficult concepts to manage without, I think, the inclusion of a certain degree of spiritual grace and, as you say, perhaps epistemological humility.
00:35:31.000I don't know why, though, that people can't flip it around and see it as Inspirational.
00:35:36.000We don't know anything so we have so much farther to go or maybe we have so much farther to return back to once what we were to discover new frontiers and new technology.
00:35:45.000I'm obsessed with the stories of exploration of civilizational first contact and so much more because in that I see the birth of something new.
00:35:54.000Didn't always go well for a lot of people but it was exciting and it was riveting and I think that so much of the cookie cutter ways that we look at our current story in our current society that are almost designed, as you've often talked about, to keep us complacent and locked into systems of power where the only thing that's keeping you in a prison is your mind.
00:36:14.000You know, whenever you think differently, almost anything is possible.
00:36:18.000And a lot of this can sound hokey, but you know, take it from a guy like me, even in a suit, like you can manifest quite a few things whenever you just want to think differently.
00:37:13.000You can, of course, watch Saga on Breaking Point on YouTube if you're willing to watch a man shackled by the limitations that come with that platform, but I would say it's certainly worth it for Saga.
00:37:43.000I like the dynamic between Saga and Crystal anyway, but there's always a bit of a smirk on Crystal's face when Saga kind of gets into talking about UFOs, and I think it really benefited from the fact that you're both into it.
00:37:53.000I mean, obviously, you're a long time into UFOs, aren't you?
00:37:56.000Well, probably before anyone else was.