Stay Free - Russel Brand - Satanism, Power and Why the Elite Don’t Hide It Anymore - SF721

00:00:15.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:20.000 Thanks for joining us today for our conversation on Stay Free with Russell Brand with Sean Stone.

00:00:25.000 Sean Stone is a filmmaker.

00:00:26.000 His father, Oliver Stone, is famous for all those Oliver Stone movies you know about.

00:00:30.000 What's interesting about Sean is that he's done a lot of investigation and exploration into the connection between verifiable corruption and evil, the kind of stuff you're all familiar with, Epstein files.

00:00:41.000 Deep state government Machiavellianism.

00:00:44.000 And then slightly more esoteric stuff.

00:00:46.000 What do you mean that the CIA were doing peculiar supernatural experiments and injecting people with hallucinogens, MKUltra?

00:00:53.000 Right out to, hold on a second, is this entire scheme being run by satanic occultist interests?

00:00:59.000 And over the course of our conversation, we talk about his experiences in all of those areas and his films.

00:01:05.000 His film, The RFK Legacy, is available now.

00:01:08.000 There's a link in the description to that.

00:01:09.000 And before we go any further, remember, you can get my book, Russell Brand How to Become a Christian in Seventh Days.

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00:01:24.000 But without any further ado, here's Sean Stone.

00:01:30.000 Sean, I'm truly sort of trying to understand power and how power operates, trying to have conversations about the nature of power, about dark power.

00:01:44.000 And most of the.

00:01:48.000 Let's say dialectics because it sounds like the kind of fancy word I'd like to say this early in a conversation of the 60s and 70s, and maybe right up to the 80s, would have been about power is about resource control and maybe about deep state or globalist conspiracy.

00:02:07.000 You know, it's a word that's associated with your family and your family's filmmaking.

00:02:13.000 But say in your movie RFK Legacy, some of the territory covered includes the Epstein Files, MKUltra.

00:02:22.000 And then satanic politics.

00:02:25.000 Now, Epstein, not that long ago, the idea that there are sort of paedophile conspiracy rings and that deep state agencies are involved, that would not that long ago, for most people, have been implausible.

00:02:41.000 MKUltra, for a long time, we've known that there's a, you know, about the SCIA MKUltra program and affiliated and associated and other extraordinary programs.

00:02:52.000 And satanic politics, I think.

00:02:55.000 Still now is pretty esoteric, and most people would think, no, really, whilst there is clandestine information, politics is mostly about this is who rules China, this is who rules Russia, this is who rules the United States of America, and there are powerful corporations and maybe powerful bureaucracies.

00:03:19.000 But by nature, difficult to corroborate ideas like this are starting to.

00:03:28.000 Infiltrate the conversation, but somehow, even using the example of MKUltra, even when we kind of know stuff, Sean, we can't fully somehow take it on board.

00:03:41.000 How do you tell stories in that territory and get people to kind of hold your hand and come along with you?

00:03:48.000 Man, I think it's been a journey.

00:03:51.000 I mean, I've been on the conspiracy theory journey since I was a kid.

00:03:56.000 So, you mentioned my family and my dad was doing.

00:03:59.000 Salvador was one of his first films, and that dealt with how we were backing death squads down there back in the 80s, right?

00:04:07.000 He had lived through Vietnam, so he didn't see all the extreme of, let's say, a Milan High massacre, but he certainly saw aspects of the psychological manipulation, the fragging or the murder of civilians, the horror, a lot of the dark things about war.

00:04:25.000 And so he understood that, and then he applied that understanding to why JFK was killed.

00:04:30.000 He believed that it had more to do with geopolitics, with JFK not wanting to.

00:04:37.000 Let's say to commit to the Vietnam War as he had not committed to Laos before that.

00:04:42.000 And so, you know, my dad felt that he, you know, he was killed for reasons like that.

00:04:46.000 But JFK itself becomes like, I always say it's the gateway drug that if most people dive into the JFK conspiracy, you'll go in any direction.

00:04:52.000 You want to talk about UFOs?

00:04:54.000 There's stuff about, you know, UFOs and aliens.

00:04:56.000 You want to go talk about the Federal Reserve, you know, banking system and how JFK was going to issue money directly from the Treasury for the first time, I guess, since Lincoln, right?

00:05:05.000 Because now we've got this Federal Reserve lending.

00:05:07.000 Money to the US government that gets issued to us, Federal Reserve notes, right?

00:05:12.000 And so JFK was bucking that.

00:05:14.000 He was bucking the CIA.

00:05:16.000 He was bucking the military industrial complex, just across the board, right?

00:05:19.000 So I grew up with this kind of gateway into conspiracy.

00:05:24.000 And I think for me, it's always just been a question of if I can, I'm a pretty grounded person.

00:05:29.000 I didn't come from a place of being far out, but I like history.

00:05:33.000 And so before even getting into the supernatural, the paranormal, the demonic, like I would look at history.

00:05:38.000 And I'd be like, okay, well, you know, the history books, the Bible, and all these things they're talking about, you know, the Bible's not the only one.

00:05:44.000 It doesn't matter with mythology.

00:05:45.000 You want to go to Hinduism, you want to go to Buddhism, they got paintings of demons, you know, you want to go to any religion, right?

00:05:51.000 It's part of it.

00:05:52.000 But then, you know, you go to the other texts, and it's there throughout recorded history, whether it's been paintings, whether it's in the literature itself.

00:06:02.000 It's just been understood.

00:06:03.000 And so, okay, if that's part of our human story and our human experience, and then you come to the modern day, and then you start getting reports of people.

00:06:12.000 You know, you talk about satanic politics.

00:06:15.000 Read the Franklin cover up, which was a book that I read very young.

00:06:19.000 I was in college, and that dealt with what was called the Franklin scandal.

00:06:23.000 Basically, back in the 80s, there was a network that was trafficking young kids, and it was mostly connected to that time, more the Republican Party at the time.

00:06:34.000 Larry King, who was not the commentator Larry King, but this was a black Lawrence King, who was one of the heads of the Republican Party, was involved in. 0.53

00:06:45.000 This scandal in Franklin, Nebraska, like a savings and loan that went under, there was fraud involved. 0.52

00:06:51.000 But then behind the savings and loan, there was this realization of these kids that were being trafficked by networks connected again to the Republican Party and not just Republican, it was going across parties.

00:07:03.000 But again, this was a high level Republican that got indicted in this, Larry King.

00:07:08.000 And then I read the Franklin cover up was written by a guy, John DeCamp, who was basically a CIA guy.

00:07:14.000 He was a CIA officer who was very close to William Colby, the former head of the CIA.

00:07:19.000 So, it wasn't like some crazy guy coming at the story.

00:07:22.000 It was a guy who was balanced, smart.

00:07:25.000 He was a state representative.

00:07:26.000 He was diving into the story and listening to the evidence.

00:07:30.000 And it's one of those great episodes.

00:07:32.000 It was one of those stories that really got buried for a long time.

00:07:35.000 But thanks to the Epstein scandal, I think people can now look at it with fresh eyes and realize this is not a new thing.

00:07:42.000 The idea of people being involved with politics, pedophilia, and then what is the satanic component to that?

00:07:50.000 Because what drives someone psychologically?

00:07:54.000 To pray not just on you know underage, we're talking children, infants five, you know, six months old, five years old, seven years old like children, right?

00:08:05.000 What allows that level of psychology, psychosis, to prey upon, to rape, to murder such innocence?

00:08:14.000 And then you go back to the Bible and the understanding of how demons operate, and they lust for that innocence, that purity, because they don't have it, right?

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00:09:41.000 So, yes, you start with history.

00:09:44.000 And build out from what's verifiable and observable, and then from there, just continue to investigate.

00:09:56.000 That's kind of your process.

00:09:57.000 But it's difficult for us, like for most, even people who, like me, like me, who from a pretty young age has been exposed to unusual information that, in a way, meant I could never be a full participant in the culture.

00:10:13.000 I suppose, in a way, somewhat set apart if you start taking drugs when you're.

00:10:19.000 In your teens and read the kind of literature that you're alluding to, even if it's not as historically valid and a little more marginal and speculative.

00:10:28.000 And even that's not entirely fair because those subjects are, by their nature, kind of have doubt cast on them.

00:10:34.000 It's difficult to find verified literature on extraterrestrials and people that were like, you know, like looking at Bob Lazar and Bob Exler and their material on cassette and reading books 35 years ago now, Sean.

00:10:51.000 Like that.

00:10:52.000 That is another one of those subjects that's made its way from conspiratorial crack pottery into caches of information being released by the government.

00:11:06.000 And what I feel we might be living in now, and it's really interesting speaking to you because of your history with it, and I find it interesting that you say that you're grounded and prefer historical stuff because you must have grown up in an environment where you had access to pretty esoteric information and were around, I'm assuming, extraordinary characters.

00:11:25.000 And then your own filmmaking career has led you into pretty esoteric and unusual occultist subjects.

00:11:31.000 Even your latest film, which is, you know, to some degree a biography of RFK Jr. and Senior, the parallels, echoes, and comparisons between the two.

00:11:42.000 And it's a really good device.

00:11:47.000 You know, like we still end up talking about marginal ideas, which do have a lot of shade cast on them.

00:11:54.000 It's difficult, even.

00:11:56.000 Someone said to me pretty recently, with the Epstein files being as, even with the level of access we've had so far, how come people are still paying their taxes?

00:12:04.000 How come people are still participating?

00:12:06.000 It seems like there's a threshold that we can't kind of take on board.

00:12:10.000 And I kind of feel that myself, although I do reckon I'm reaching a point, Sean, where I feel like I need to move into solutions.

00:12:19.000 And I can't keep taking on more and more of this information, thinking like, all right, well, once we got this piece of the jigsaw and we prove that Klaus Schwab was summoning Beelzebub, then finally people go, oh, that's it.

00:12:35.000 I'm out.

00:12:36.000 It doesn't seem like there's a piece of data point that's going to drive people over because I think that somehow we can't take it on and accommodate it.

00:12:44.000 And you, I'm assuming, you must have more because you've made sort of very cogent and coherent films on these subjects, actually making, trying your best to make clear the connections between the known and the somewhat more occult and difficult to corroborate.

00:13:02.000 So, do you reckon that there's a point where people, where Where people, where there could be a kind of a mass awakening, or is that not something that you even think your storytelling is driving towards anymore?

00:13:16.000 I think the awakening is happening.

00:13:18.000 I mean, again, going back to like my lifetime, I mean, I came from a place of, and again, I mean, I'm just, I'm feeling the zeitgeist in America, you know, in America.

00:13:27.000 That's, you know, but America has been a media hub for the last hundred years for a reason, right?

00:13:31.000 We are, we, not just, I mean, media more recently, but generally we've been a hub of the world.

00:13:36.000 We've been a light of the world for a reason.

00:13:38.000 We'd attract, you know, so many cultures from across the world.

00:13:40.000 People want to, Come here for a reason, right?

00:13:43.000 It has freedom.

00:13:44.000 And we survived COVID, thankfully, because a lot of people prevailed in that faith that we preferred freedom over safety.

00:13:52.000 We preferred freedom over fear.

00:13:54.000 And that's, you know, so again, in my experience, it's like growing up in the 80s when it was like that last vestige of like pro America, you know, unification.

00:14:05.000 We really felt like, I think, you know, we prevailed during the Cold War.

00:14:08.000 There was an ethos of triumph.

00:14:10.000 And then it turned into the, The anti hero, the grunge culture, the antithesis, let's say, that followed.

00:14:17.000 And then that really, I think, was articulated by the 9 11 era, right?

00:14:22.000 The war on terror, the absolute darkness that surrounded the collective, as far as my feeling.

00:14:28.000 Look at media and art, I just can't feel the same energy from films, from music, from anything, from culture that I think we felt pre 2000.

00:14:36.000 There was an authenticity that feels lost.

00:14:38.000 And now we're in this sort of age of a lot of information and niche cultures, which is cool, but we've lost maybe.

00:14:47.000 Which is not a bad thing either.

00:14:48.000 We've lost that collective experience of us as a people.

00:14:53.000 So, as we sort of not even just bifurcated, we've separated into these little pods and paths, there is an awakening that's taken place because we've experienced it in our own lives from the place of, like you said, you couldn't talk about conspiracies, or then it started becoming more acceptable to the place of, yeah, I mean, everyone kind of gets it now.

00:15:13.000 There's really dark stuff going on at a political level.

00:15:15.000 And whether or not you think Donald Trump is the devil, it's like he's there to help awaken.

00:15:22.000 The process.

00:15:22.000 He's there to catalyze disclosure.

00:15:25.000 He's there to, you know, he's been, you know, how to say, his presidency between 2016 and now has, to me, it's been evidence of the awakening because whether people hate him or not, it's, I just look at him as a catalyst for so much of this experience, right?

00:15:39.000 And wherever people fall on that whole spectrum of Trump derangement or whether he's controlled by Israel or, you know, or the COVID thing, like you name it, it's still been the massive quickening of information coming out there and distrust of government, which Is great because if we want to achieve sovereignty, we can't just fall in line and say we must obey.

00:16:01.000 We have to achieve it through love overcoming fear.

00:16:05.000 And we're not there yet.

00:16:06.000 We're still in a lot of fear.

00:16:07.000 Like you said, we're in a lot of fear, a lot of hatred, a lot of anger still.

00:16:11.000 This versus, you know, you've MAGA versus this or internal squabbles within MAGA or left versus right, whatever.

00:16:17.000 All that nonsense is all dividing us.

00:16:20.000 But it's also sometimes necessary to be divided to ultimately find, okay, once I see where the division lines are, I recognize that maybe we're 10% different, 90% on the same side, on the same page, right?

00:16:31.000 Or we're 20% different, but 80% on the same page.

00:16:34.000 And then we can find our unity and our commonality as humans once we recognize, yeah, there's going to be divisions.

00:16:41.000 There's going to be divisions of how we speak, what we believe in.

00:16:45.000 But at the heart of it, as human beings, I think that most of us can get along.

00:16:51.000 And we're not there yet, but that is the ultimate goal, I think, of where we're moving towards as we awaken our hearts and live more with love and empathy, right?

00:17:01.000 And understanding of each other without having to control and feel like, well, if you're different, I can't control you.

00:17:07.000 That's been the mindset of so much.

00:17:09.000 Of the last thousands of years has been a fear based mindset.

00:17:13.000 And that's again where the dark side loves to play.

00:17:17.000 They love to play in that realm of trying to control things.

00:17:21.000 And that's why we face it within ourselves.

00:17:22.000 We all have darkness within us.

00:17:23.000 It would be in denial, denying it would be a lie.

00:17:28.000 So we have to recognize the darkness where we're trying to be controlling as opposed to saying, okay, I trust the higher power.

00:17:34.000 I trust God's plan.

00:17:36.000 I believe in love as the greatest force and power in the universe.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, because when you said about sovereignty and love, I suppose that you can personally attune and take some responsibility or at least action towards being in a kind of a state of personal serenity.

00:17:56.000 I was trying to do it today, actually.

00:17:58.000 After coming to Christ, I'm still reading the kind of things that I've always read to a degree.

00:18:03.000 I mean, like popular Eastern mysticism, to look at how these subjects align.

00:18:08.000 And what I've been taught a lot lately is that the message of Christ, when institutionalized, is significantly different.

00:18:17.000 Diluted and maybe even completely obscured.

00:18:21.000 I see you talk before about how the introduction of fear almost puts you on the wrong bandwidth, so you would not be a recipient of grace if you're in a fearful state.

00:18:33.000 Trouble is though, Sean, and you know, you've been for a few, I guess, I don't know, incarnations yourself, but you were Muslim for a while, is that right?

00:18:44.000 And like, you know, and I know that me, I take a lot of hits when I talk publicly about. 0.82

00:18:50.000 Coming to Christ, and like we live in a cultural environment that's kind of, I think, in some ways, quite hateful and quite condemning.

00:19:00.000 And they'll use whatever there is about you to kind of destroy you because there's just such an appetite for that destruction.

00:19:09.000 I guess if you're from a famous family, you've got a famous dad, you're going to get hit up for that. 1.00

00:19:13.000 You've been a Muslim, you're going to get hit for that. 0.85

00:19:16.000 Me, I womanized a bunch, or everything that's sort of like it's almost like the top. 0.99

00:19:19.000 10 things you could find out about a person in a Google search, those things you will be annihilated for if you dare step into a kind of a public forum.

00:19:28.000 And I just wonder what your firstly, what your ongoing appetite for that stuff is.

00:19:33.000 And, you know, all of us understand what's meant by you've got to try and stay in a state of love and that there's a sort of a personal sovereignty if you can recognize that within you, you do have access to the power of God.

00:19:46.000 It is accessible to you if you are able to be still and.

00:19:50.000 Attuned to it, but me, I've known all this stuff for a long, long while, and I still find it really, really, really difficult.

00:19:58.000 How are you finding it?

00:20:00.000 And how are you going to apply?

00:20:02.000 How are you going to apply?

00:20:04.000 What's your, like, yeah, just tell me how are you achieving it?

00:20:06.000 And then we'll do the next question after.

00:20:09.000 I think I just, I embrace the paradox and the contradictions because, you know, again, to the idea that anyone really can fathom us and hold us.

00:20:17.000 I mean, that's the problem of our media culture, right?

00:20:19.000 It's like they want to put people into boxes.

00:20:21.000 They want to be able to say, oh, you're this, check, you're that, check.

00:20:24.000 And then if you fall, and then, you know, but in the course of our lives, as we mature, we evolve, we're going to have falls out of, In and out of roles, we're going to fall in and out of roles, we're going to change roles, we're going to change identities, we're going to fall from grace.

00:20:37.000 And, you know, how do we sustain those falls, right?

00:20:39.000 Because none of us is perfect.

00:20:42.000 When it comes to the spiritual path, I've just been on a spiritual journey my whole life, of, you know, since even before I was aware of it, I think, in the sense that I wasn't indoctrinated, thankfully.

00:20:52.000 My parents gave me the freedom to say, we went to self realization fellowship and, you know, we would listen to readings from the Quran or from the Vedas or from the Bible.

00:21:02.000 It wasn't a discernment of saying this is right and that's wrong.

00:21:05.000 It was actually recognizing, I don't want to say the unity of it all, but this is one reality that no one has the truth.

00:21:14.000 We all have perceptions of.

00:21:16.000 We all have perceptions of the path.

00:21:18.000 And so some paths are stronger and you can feel the energy and it's pure, it's more pure, it's more connected.

00:21:26.000 And I believe every religion has truth to it.

00:21:30.000 So when I accepted Islam, I said, I accept Muhammad as a prophet in the lineage of prophets. 0.63

00:21:36.000 That's what Judeo Christianity has always been. 0.62

00:21:38.000 It's been a lineage of prophets, right?

00:21:41.000 Going back to Abraham and the hundreds or thousands of prophets that followed.

00:21:46.000 And so for Muhammad to basically take those teachings and read the Quran, it's mostly about Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Mary.

00:21:54.000 I mean, that's what most of the Quran is, right?

00:21:56.000 So it's not like Islam is some alien religion.

00:22:00.000 I look at, you know, they're just, I believe they're all brothers in faith.

00:22:03.000 And when you study Imam Ali, who was the closest companion to Prophet Muhammad, He was the nephew and a tremendous personality.

00:22:13.000 Read his stories, I mean, he was just a magnanimous character. 1.00

00:22:16.000 And if this person and you read his writings represents to me the best example of Islam, then it's like saying, Well, that's good, and there's a lot of bad Muslims.

00:22:26.000 But if you, you know, it's like saying, Well, there's a lot of bad Christians, but if you read, you know, the teachings of Christ, you get it like that's that's a beautiful example of how to live, right? 1.00

00:22:34.000 That's a perfect example.

00:22:36.000 No one's gonna be that perfect, but we still have an example of how we should be. 1.00

00:22:41.000 And then to say, Well, I've experienced these Christians and that Christian, and they were bad. 1.00

00:22:46.000 They were killing people. 1.00

00:22:47.000 They were hating people. 1.00

00:22:48.000 They were hypocrites. 1.00

00:22:49.000 So, all Christians are bad. 1.00

00:22:50.000 I mean, it's like, no, you look at the original text, you look at the original personalities, you look at their behavior and what they were modeling at their time. 0.65

00:22:58.000 And that's what we, I think, that's what religion is about is looking at the examples and the paths and just weighing what feels like a beautiful path.

00:23:07.000 And so, I think that the prayer in Islam, if you pray five times a day to the Creator, Allah, I think, you know, in Aramaic, it would have been Allah, which is what Christ prayed to.

00:23:17.000 And people say, Allah, some alien God.

00:23:19.000 No, it's all the same.

00:23:20.000 It's all the same oneness that we're praying to.

00:23:22.000 So, whatever path you decide, you know, it's ultimately a personal choice.

00:23:27.000 I don't judge people.

00:23:28.000 I judge people not based on their faith or their thoughts.

00:23:31.000 I judge them based on their actions and their words and what they do in the world.

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00:25:11.000 Hey, so when I was like recently doing a bunch of publicity for my book, I feel like, I mean, I guess people in an interview situation, conflict is a that's what gets clicks is conflict.

00:25:26.000 And that's if you look at it on a superficial level.

00:25:30.000 But Maybe at a deeper level, there's an appetite to attack and condemn and break down anything that's sort of generally seen as optimistic.

00:25:39.000 Because, say, like what we've talked about in this first 20 minutes of our chat, you've already said, be open hearted, be loving, respect the sovereignty of individuals.

00:25:48.000 There's a way to God if you can access that God.

00:25:50.000 You know, and I bet that you, like me, believe that the institutions of power pose as neutral and justify their power, usually through projects and claims that they will help you and support you and keep you safe.

00:26:05.000 Possibly masks the darkest, most disgusting power there is, and that that power definitely presents through the organs and instruments of that state, whether they are media institutions or bureaucracies.

00:26:17.000 Their sort of primary function, it seems to me, is to kind of churn through goodwill and to instantiate a kind of demonic dread absolutely everywhere.

00:26:27.000 Certainly, that's my experience of dealing with it, and in dealing with it, I find myself pretty exhausted. 0.99

00:26:32.000 Because, say, for example, when Piers Morgan, I went on there recently, and he was His main drive, one of them seemed to be like, You're a hypocrite. 0.80

00:26:41.000 And when I was looking back and trying in real time to sort of go, You know, how do you go from doing a bunch of acid as a teenager, being in Hollywood and being a hedonist, being in recovery for 23 years, then finding Jesus? 0.92

00:26:55.000 To me, it makes sort of total, complete, linear sense.

00:26:59.000 Like, I'm doing one thing, I'm pursuing one thread the whole time of like, What is the truth?

00:27:04.000 What's going to work?

00:27:05.000 Where's the truth?

00:27:06.000 And around it, you're continually offered like ways out, aren't you?

00:27:10.000 You're continually offered. 0.75

00:27:11.000 Come this way for the drugs, come this way for the money, come this way for the sex.

00:27:15.000 And like, even just like when I'm like, know that you've, you know, explored Islam and been Muslim, explored Freemasonry, which I saw you talk about on your recent interview with Tucker.

00:27:27.000 You're obviously like me, you're a seeker and you're exploring and you're trying to find something.

00:27:30.000 And I bet you've had crazy challenges coming from where you're coming from.

00:27:34.000 So maybe can we cover a little bit of that in this bit of our conversation, like in a sort of a tabloidy way?

00:27:39.000 Because I worked with your dad one time, like.

00:27:42.000 And like, man, he was like, I went, I'll speak candidly, and if you don't want it in, I'll take it out.

00:27:48.000 I went in his office, it stunk of weed, right?

00:27:51.000 And, like, and like, he was like, he was, hey, Russell, come in.

00:27:55.000 And, like, I think it was like that he had someone working for him.

00:27:58.000 This is my assessment who liked me.

00:28:00.000 That's what I think.

00:28:01.000 So, I worked for him on a documentary.

00:28:02.000 I interviewed him one time.

00:28:04.000 He was incredibly gracious and brilliant to me.

00:28:07.000 And, like, for someone my age who's watched the movies that I've watched, he's a kind of a hero.

00:28:12.000 And so, my experience of him was he was fantastic.

00:28:14.000 Oh, my God, except for this, check this out is that we, he got us access to Trump, your dad did, because he was making Wall Street 2.

00:28:22.000 And then I did some. 0.99

00:28:24.000 Dumb stand up about Trump, you know, like taking the piss and whatever, like being sort of kind of cheeky. 0.95

00:28:29.000 And then, so me and Trump had a spat, and your dad made me write like a letter apologizing to Donald Trump, like at school. 0.99

00:28:38.000 Like, I had to write, Dear Donald Trump, I'm so sorry what I've done.

00:28:42.000 And then I had to write, Dear Oliver Stone, I'm so sorry.

00:28:45.000 I thought, How is my life still like this?

00:28:47.000 You know, like, I was like in my 30s at that point, I think.

00:28:50.000 Like, why has my life always been like I'm sort of in trouble?

00:28:53.000 And it's still that.

00:28:55.000 Still that now.

00:28:56.000 I'm always in some kind of trouble, usually for things I haven't done, sometimes the things I have done.

00:29:02.000 But, like, man, I don't suppose you've got any memory of that.

00:29:04.000 But can you hit us up with some of your gear from growing up around all that?

00:29:10.000 Jesus Christ, that's a whole other.

00:29:13.000 Yeah, well, where'd it go?

00:29:16.000 By the way, my dad admits he made a mistake by cutting Trump out of the Wall Street 2 film because it was a cameo moment that he's.

00:29:25.000 You know, Gordon Gekko is supposed to see Trump at a like a tailor or a barbershop or something.

00:29:31.000 And anyway, it was, he said it was a mistake to cut it out.

00:29:34.000 But anyway, Trump aside, that's a whole other, that's a whole huge elephant in the room that everyone is addressing in their consciousness in their own ways.

00:29:45.000 As far as my father, my father's, you know, he's a big personality.

00:29:50.000 And so it was, you know, it was interesting.

00:29:53.000 I didn't really, I didn't get along with him that much when I was, you know, really young.

00:29:59.000 I think, I bet we just clashed.

00:30:01.000 We just like I had a very strong will, and I was very close to my mom.

00:30:07.000 I was protected by her, but also protective of her.

00:30:09.000 It was like we just had a very strong bond.

00:30:11.000 And I think my dad was at some levels didn't, you know, either felt a little bit jealous or pushed out by it.

00:30:18.000 And he and I would just clash.

00:30:20.000 And it was just funny because he was so physical with me, even when I was like a bit, you know, just born.

00:30:25.000 I was very small and he was very overpowering.

00:30:28.000 So, you know, and he was hot.

00:30:30.000 He was hot headed at the time.

00:30:31.000 He was much, you know, he was driving through his first, you know, 10 years of films, basically.

00:30:35.000 It was like 10 movies in 10 years.

00:30:38.000 And that's when I was born.

00:30:39.000 It was right before Salvador.

00:30:41.000 And then my parents divorced right after or during Natchez Born Killers.

00:30:46.000 So it's like, you know, basically it was either we were on sets, we were in different countries.

00:30:53.000 And I didn't get much of a home life with him.

00:30:56.000 I had my home life where I was like going to school, playing baseball, going to the gym, you know, hanging with friends.

00:31:03.000 I had like a big brother figure who.

00:31:05.000 Played kind of like a dad role, like taking me to the movies, playing baseball.

00:31:08.000 But, you know, it was very rare to get those just like that time together.

00:31:13.000 And my dad was straight, you know, it's like, he told me later, he's like, I just wasn't interested in kids.

00:31:17.000 It was like we bonded when I was out with him and his friends.

00:31:21.000 I was at dinner conversation, you know, at the dinner table, listening to conversations about history, about politics, about things that he was interested in.

00:31:29.000 And so that's when he and I connected more in my teen years.

00:31:32.000 He'd take me to India and Tibet and Vietnam and Cambodia.

00:31:32.000 We would travel.

00:31:38.000 And all of East Africa and Serbia and Kosovo right after the war in 2000.

00:31:44.000 And so it was like we would bond based on travel, based on my interest in politics and into history, the CIA history, the deep state, that kind of stuff when I was a teenager.

00:31:56.000 But again, I mean, also the fact is, my dad is not into the esoteric.

00:32:01.000 It's very funny because I put him in my film, my first film, when I made my first film, Greystone Park.

00:32:06.000 It was based on my experiences breaking into these haunted mental hospitals, right, up in upstate New York and Jersey.

00:32:14.000 And I was like out there running.

00:32:15.000 It was like, this is, you know, I was like 26.

00:32:17.000 24 25.

00:32:18.000 I'm like basically every night I'm either in the nightclub or I'm in the hospital.

00:32:23.000 It was like it was fun, it was like wild times, right?

00:32:26.000 But sometimes you see the demons, there's more demons in the nightclub.

00:32:29.000 You start to become sensitive to the stuff.

00:32:30.000 You're like, wait a minute, the energy, it's all energy.

00:32:34.000 And I put my dad in the film and he played himself and he's like, you know, it's all in your mind.

00:32:39.000 And I was thinking about that, I'm like, it's not that it's not, it's not that it's hallucination, but our experience of reality is mind.

00:32:46.000 So everything that we Can conceive is here.

00:32:49.000 I mean, that's why, you know, I'm not hallucinating.

00:32:52.000 I've seen things.

00:32:52.000 I know people have, I've been with people that have seen things.

00:32:55.000 It's not hallucinations, but we are in a mental experience of reality.

00:32:59.000 And it goes back to the fall of Adam and Eve.

00:33:01.000 They ate the apple, they entered the realm of mind.

00:33:04.000 We're all in it, man.

00:33:06.000 We're all operating from perceptions.

00:33:07.000 It's not reality, it's perceptions of reality.

00:33:12.000 Oh, yeah, that's.

00:33:14.000 You did pretty good to get there, Sean, from my question that had all sorts of stuff about having to write a Apology letters to your dad and Donald Trump, and you ended up, you took us back to the garden and entering the realm of mind.

00:33:27.000 And it's interesting because I spend a lot of my time in reflection of what is the prima materia that we are dealing with, and do we have access to it, the essence?

00:33:38.000 Of course we do.

00:33:39.000 But there is so much distraction, so much overstimulation.

00:33:44.000 It's very, very difficult to even get people to see that.

00:33:47.000 And then the idea that there might be universal and qualitative judgments that can be made, like there is truth.

00:33:54.000 There is good that Christ was real, that Christ was real in the way that he said he was.

00:33:59.000 And I suppose that what's, I'd like to get your take on this.

00:34:03.000 Coming to Christ late in life, like me, via, I guess, broadly speaking, a countercultural perspective, even though you could say I'm in a lot of ways a cultural person, I've been in the culture, I've been in movies or whatever.

00:34:17.000 But what I mean to say is that I grew up reading Noam Chomsky and watching Oliver Stone movies and dropping a bunch of acid and smoking.

00:34:27.000 And pretending to be Jim Morrison and all of the things that someone around my age would do if you don't think, you know, I'm not going the slick way, I'm not good at sport at school and all of that kind of thing.

00:34:38.000 And now to suddenly find myself in what in your country in particular and in mine to a degree, but in a different way, is sort of a paradigm of conformity to follow Christ as a member of a church.

00:34:56.000 primarily presented as a revolutionary act isn't presented as you are a co-creator of reality with God when you accept him, when you die with him, you are a participant in his glory.

00:35:09.000 Where I found myself now exhausted, weary, dashed against the rocks of the culture, battered and shipwrecked, broken and beaten by thousands of allegations and just exhaustion of it all is like how do we personally cultivate a spiritual connection that makes life livable You know, and actually fruitful and enjoyable.

00:35:30.000 And then, how do we play this out when it comes to politics and power, Sean?

00:35:35.000 Like, I no longer want to participate in a conversation that's about why wouldn't you vote for this political party or make this particular adjustment.

00:35:44.000 I've reached the point where I truly believe that the answer lies in the very technology that threatens to imprison us, the technology that could be used to create centralized global imperialism.

00:36:00.000 If you reverse the charge, and I think this is a key phrase, if the charge is no longer.

00:36:06.000 Held by this synthesized power that is empire, the state, and the culture.

00:36:12.000 Instead, the charge is coming from people, people yielding to the force and the source, the power of God Almighty.

00:36:20.000 Then we can create new instruments. 0.52

00:36:23.000 But what, to return to sort of where we were at the start of our conversation, if a lot of people, you know, know that the Epstein files are real and contain vital information, that sort of would lead you to believe you can't really trust any of your leaders, let's say in a general way, MKUltra.

00:36:39.000 Is real that the government have done things that are on record and verifiable that are abhorrent and disgusting and giving mental patients acid. 0.79

00:36:47.000 And God, given your Greystones experience, like one that just anecdotally, like, do you surely notice how often mentally ill people have archetypal reflection?

00:37:00.000 Like, I've heard more than one, maybe as many as five mentally ill people say, There's a machine and the machine is above my head and it's measuring my. 0.80

00:37:09.000 Thoughts and they're influencing my thought. 0.62

00:37:12.000 Even the very idea, actually, of the tinfoil hat is a kind of like kind of makes sense when you think of what they did in MKUltra.

00:37:19.000 They're trying to protect their thought, and then you learn that they were going into mental hospitals and doing experiments.

00:37:24.000 Anyway, so what I'm saying really is, Sean, are you able to marshal your like? 0.98

00:37:31.000 I'd love to know more about that mental, you know, the mental hospital excursions, you lunatic. 0.77

00:37:35.000 But like, they weren't active mental hospitals, they were abandoned mental hospitals, but they were all abandoned.

00:37:40.000 20, 30 years before.

00:37:42.000 And they were very dark, very dark energies.

00:37:44.000 Just a young man in an abandoned mental hospital hanging out, making a movie.

00:37:49.000 What could be more natural?

00:37:51.000 Like, so, but I suppose what I'm trying to say amidst all this is if we sort of have, if we are kind of to a significant degree awakened or aware at least that we can't trust power, whether we see that in, you know, MKUltra type terms or, well, it doesn't matter who you vote for, they still screw us over.

00:38:11.000 They never, they never, Activate the policies that they campaign on.

00:38:16.000 They said there weren't going to be another war.

00:38:17.000 There is a war.

00:38:18.000 They said they weren't going to increase taxes.

00:38:19.000 They have increased taxes.

00:38:21.000 However, you want to carve it up, whether you see it as sort of like mundial or celestial, surely most people now recognize it's the system itself that needs to change.

00:38:33.000 Do you think, therefore, that educating people through film has to become something more direct and more akin to activism?

00:38:45.000 Well, media is activism.

00:38:47.000 I mean, this is something that I felt since I was young, which is what drew me to wanting to be involved in media, whether some form of storytelling or interviews or whatnot.

00:38:58.000 Even when it's been outside the mainstream, I've been in my own little niche for over a decade doing projects that I just felt were important.

00:39:06.000 I felt, because I could see that we're in a psycho spiritual war, right?

00:39:11.000 People talk about the spiritual war more now, but I felt it decades ago.

00:39:15.000 And it's because it is the zeitgeist, right?

00:39:18.000 As you're projecting stories, going back to what we were talking about with the energy of the music, the movies, the eras of like, you know, the pre, let's say the pre 1995 even, you know, eras, it was like, it was tend to be more family oriented, a little bit more.

00:39:33.000 It was not as vulgar, not as crass, not as in your face, not as, I don't know, just pointed back then.

00:39:40.000 It was still aspirational.

00:39:42.000 And so I think that when you create media and create culture that is aspirational, that does lift up like agape, the soul, like this unconditional love that we're supposed to recognize with it, that we carry within ourselves.

00:39:59.000 But we need it mirrored back to us.

00:40:00.000 We need to be engaged with enthusiasm and inspiration.

00:40:05.000 And not just hope, you know, hope, you know, hollow hope, but actual, like, actual engagement through media and through society here.

00:40:13.000 This is, how do you say, it is part of the education because the education can be pessimistic or it can be optimistic, right?

00:40:20.000 It can be the outcome, like you said, the output can be, well, you know, it's all going to hell in a handbasket.

00:40:25.000 What's the point?

00:40:26.000 I'm just going to, you know, be hedonistic and take care of myself.

00:40:30.000 Or it can be optimistic.

00:40:31.000 No, like, I trust that there is a greater plan than any of us.

00:40:34.000 Even when I talk about the dark side, I see dark serving light.

00:40:38.000 I don't see the dark as something that's like a problem.

00:40:43.000 It's there for a reason, it's there serving its purpose.

00:40:45.000 Darth Vader allows Luke Skywalker to find his power, right?

00:40:50.000 Darth Vader can find redemption at the end.

00:40:53.000 That's the modern retelling, essentially, of classic mythology for a reason, because we are on this journey.

00:40:59.000 I believe we've gone into some of the darkest places as a culture, as a people, right?

00:41:04.000 Hedonism, materialism, obsession with the material realm, the physical realm.

00:41:09.000 And we lost sight of the energetic, the spiritual.

00:41:12.000 That's what's coming back now.

00:41:13.000 And so, towards this idea of like sovereignty, it's not sovereign saying, I am the king.

00:41:19.000 It's saying, I'm a manifestation and emanation of the creator of the oneness.

00:41:23.000 And so, the more I can tune into my intuition and recognize that, right, and feel that that oneness is working through me at all times, then hopefully I can trust and work more in alignment with that path, with the highest, with the highest path for the highest good.

00:41:39.000 However, that may be.

00:41:40.000 Christ literally is sacrificed to be reborn, right?

00:41:46.000 That's the eternal story that we also go through in our own lives.

00:41:49.000 It's not played out the same way, but it's still that story of the phoenix.

00:41:52.000 It's the story of the caterpillar that has to die to be reborn as the butterfly.

00:41:57.000 We all have to go through that journey.

00:41:59.000 And it's not just once, it's continuous transformation.

00:42:02.000 But again, it's meant to purify us and to hopefully reconnect us to our hearts, to our souls, and to keep moving forward.

00:42:09.000 And that's, anyway, that's been my journey of understanding.

00:42:13.000 And no matter which.

00:42:14.000 You know, because I've gone through many dark, you know, dark nights.

00:42:17.000 I mean, it wasn't just exploring mental hospitals.

00:42:20.000 It was all a reflection of my own journeys, you know, whether it was exploring the dark side, restoring the demonic realm, or exploring conspiracies, or exploring, you know, the film world and making films.

00:42:32.000 It's like we're all ultimately, they say, we're being reflected back where we are, mirrored back where we are on the journey.

00:42:40.000 And as you know, until you really get to that place of, Clarity and connection, you're going to find a lot of distress, a lot of heartbreak, a lot of, you know, dark thoughts, a lot of depression, a lot of potential suicide.

00:42:53.000 And that's all mirroring where people are, the culture.

00:42:57.000 Yeah, that suicide thing, man.

00:43:00.000 Yeah, I kind of walk that line.

00:43:03.000 So, do you feel as I do that even sort of our, thanks, Nikki, somewhat innocuous organizations like, gosh, maybe they're not all innocuous, like the BBC, like I can't.

00:43:17.000 Of things like the BBC, if you're British and you grow up watching the sitcoms and the nature documentaries, you kind of feel like, well, the BBC, man, that's a kind of a good thing.

00:43:25.000 And increasingly, you start to realize this is a dark, dark enterprise and a dark entity.

00:43:35.000 Well, okay, let's go back to the origins of mind control and propaganda, right?

00:43:40.000 It's like BBC was British intelligence from its birth.

00:43:43.000 You know, it was really designed around the First World War.

00:43:46.000 I think at the time it was the First World War, it was basically just radio, right?

00:43:50.000 But the whole point was a propaganda instrument and the propaganda of a people, right?

00:43:55.000 To want to go fight, you know, the. 0.88

00:43:56.000 The Hun, where the Germans were the, you know, even though they were, even though the British king and queen are Germans, the Germans were the monsters, right? 0.61

00:44:06.000 But it's all propaganda. 0.60

00:44:07.000 And, you know, what about Jimmy Savile?

00:44:10.000 I mean, wasn't he pretty high up?

00:44:12.000 Wasn't he pretty protected by the BBC against all the accusations?

00:44:16.000 It does look like, in retrospect, he was protected.

00:44:19.000 He was friends with members of the royal family.

00:44:21.000 And in fact, you start to notice that what you see in America with Epstein, Has British correlatives that have the kind of cultural inflections you would imagine with Britain.

00:44:34.000 Like, you know, Geoffrey Epstein, say what you like about that guy, he had terrific teeth.

00:44:38.000 A lot of the people that run British paedophile rings could do with a lot of dental work almost as a priority, even before you deal with the paedophilia problem.

00:44:46.000 Get to a dentist.

00:44:48.000 Now, stop the pedophilia.

00:44:49.000 Like Jimmy Savile.

00:44:50.000 Like, you know, yeah, there was a lot of that going on, man.

00:44:53.000 A lot of it.

00:44:54.000 And I've noticed a kind of a trend, an aesthetic trend.

00:44:58.000 Sort of bureaucracies.

00:45:00.000 By their nature, I seem managerial and neutral.

00:45:03.000 You know, certainly a state funded organisation like the BBC.

00:45:07.000 Or, you know, thank you, Nikki.

00:45:10.000 In my country, like the media instruments, man, there's some dark stuff going on.

00:45:14.000 And obviously, I can't anymore be, I can't make a claim to be neutral about it because they're my sworn detested enemies because I'm in a battle with mainstream media.

00:45:25.000 I'm in a situation that, you know, I have to be careful what I talk about, otherwise, I'll lose my bail.

00:45:30.000 But I'm in a situation where.

00:45:32.000 I believe that I'm in a media generated situation.

00:45:37.000 And what seems all the more difficult about that is, you know, just yesterday, like we did a story on Channel 4, like one of the broadcasters involved in some of the material that was produced about me.

00:45:50.000 Channel 4 did a show called Married at First Sight where they got people to just meet, get married, and have sex.

00:45:56.000 And they sort of recalled the whole thing.

00:45:57.000 And like two of the women on the show alleged that they were raped while making it.

00:46:01.000 And Channel 4 were like, well, it's not our fault.

00:46:03.000 We were trying our best.

00:46:04.000 And I, and I, like, Like you said about the BBC, they were a propaganda instrument set up to control the minds of the population during the war.

00:46:12.000 And people find it hard.

00:46:13.000 People almost hear a sentence like that and see it as conspiratorial.

00:46:17.000 People don't know about the Trusted News Initiative that most of the instruments of US and UK news and even global news are part of an affiliation that have said publicly that their opponent now is not one another but independent news and that they have an explicit agenda to bring them down.

00:46:33.000 Most people don't know that during the COVID period in your country and in mine, it was regarded primarily as a military exercise that they deployed.

00:46:40.000 Deep state techniques and technologies.

00:46:42.000 Like, what I was just thinking about the other day, mate, I was thinking all that COVID should have been is hey, there's this virus, and it seems like it, you know, maybe if you're really old, watch out.

00:46:55.000 And then it should have been we got this injection, it might work, try it if you want.

00:47:02.000 But anything that was not that, everything on top of that is propaganda.

00:47:08.000 And no one even, it's only five years ago, Sean, no one's even like, oh, I can't be bothered about it.

00:47:12.000 No one cares.

00:47:14.000 No one's thinking about it.

00:47:16.000 No, no.

00:47:17.000 I mean, what it should have been was okay, I could understand.

00:47:20.000 I could feel the energy of like two weeks.

00:47:22.000 I felt like we needed a break.

00:47:23.000 It did feel like it was like a healthy kind of reset.

00:47:26.000 Like, let's take two weeks and just pause and reflect on life.

00:47:28.000 Like, that was cool.

00:47:30.000 I was all for that, right?

00:47:32.000 And then two weeks turns into two years, right?

00:47:34.000 But no, like the actual strategy I knew was a fraud because, well, two things.

00:47:40.000 One, I could feel the fear virus.

00:47:41.000 It was an energy, it was a fear virus that was in the minds more than anything, right?

00:47:46.000 Because fear is what brings our health down.

00:47:48.000 Health is an experience.

00:47:49.000 You know, we're living beings, we're not machines.

00:47:51.000 They want us to think mechanistically that humans are just machine bots, you know, based on biochemical.

00:47:57.000 You know, interactions and whatnot, but we're actually, that's why miracles happen.

00:48:01.000 It's like the energy is something you can't explain.

00:48:04.000 You can't explain how life happens.

00:48:06.000 You know, no matter what the transhumanists and the materialists want to, you know, it's lightning.

00:48:11.000 Somehow we get the amino acids together and we strike lightning and we create life.

00:48:15.000 You know, good luck.

00:48:17.000 You'll never figure it out that way.

00:48:20.000 So we are living beings with an energetic connection to soul and to spirit.

00:48:24.000 And so, you know, to get our health in order, which was, it should have been a priority.

00:48:28.000 And, No, of course it wasn't in lockdown states.

00:48:32.000 And still to this day, it's like people make fun of Maha and stuff like this.

00:48:35.000 And it's like, why is it, why are we poo pooing the idea of actually having a healthy relationship with our bodies, a proactive relationship, a holistic relationship?

00:48:43.000 Instead of, I go to the doctor, you know, this hurts.

00:48:47.000 So they give me this medication.

00:48:48.000 And then that causes side effects so that, you know, my kidneys fail.

00:48:51.000 And then it's like, and then they give me that medication.

00:48:54.000 And then, you know, my bowels have collapsed.

00:48:56.000 I mean, it's just like you, they're looking at things so mechanistically as opposed to as a whole experience.

00:49:00.000 Experience, right, of being alive and being healthy and engaging with life as a spiritual experience, not just a mechanistic experience.

00:49:09.000 But that's obviously how the medical system is designed, right?

00:49:12.000 It's been in America, it's the Rockefeller medicine for over 100 years for a reason, but the UK is the same modality.

00:49:21.000 You know, you said then about, you said something that made me really think about the idea of synthesis that they're emulating.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, that they're like the transhumanist movement is in creating life, creation itself.

00:49:33.000 But it's so sort of clumsy and cubic and broken and mechanical. 1.00

00:49:39.000 Yeah, that's the word that you were using, and that is the correct one.

00:49:42.000 It's a mechanical approach, the idea that purely materially you can construct life models.

00:49:47.000 You can construct the appearance of life, but not life itself.

00:49:49.000 And I guess, oh, yeah, the reason that coming to Christ later in life after a whole bunch of mystical experiences along the way, none of which are to my credit, all of them inflicted upon me by accident and happenstance, is that when I've actually read scripture, mate.

00:50:07.000 And it says, the prince of this world is the evil one.

00:50:13.000 He deals in counterfeits and synthesis.

00:50:17.000 He creates synthetic realities that will hypnotize and dupe and control people.

00:50:24.000 Like, I've started to check this out.

00:50:26.000 You might like this.

00:50:27.000 Well, I got like some sort of hard on for Steve Jobs.

00:50:30.000 Not literally.

00:50:31.000 God, I don't have to deal with that in five years.

00:50:33.000 Like, and like, that'd be necrophilia.

00:50:38.000 That's when it's really, that's one of Jimmy Savile's things, by the way.

00:50:42.000 That was one of the.

00:50:44.000 He was down that mortuary, pulling open them filing cabinets, getting the toe tag off and diving on in.

00:50:54.000 That's real demonic.

00:50:55.000 That's real demonic stuff.

00:50:56.000 That's demonic.

00:50:57.000 That's demonic.

00:50:57.000 That is demonic.

00:50:59.000 So, anyway, like, so I watched a bunch of Steve Jobs stuff.

00:51:02.000 I watched the Ashton Kutcher movie.

00:51:04.000 I watched the brilliant Michael Fassbender movie.

00:51:07.000 And then I watched the documentary by Gibney.

00:51:10.000 And what I felt about.

00:51:12.000 Steve Jobs is that guy was obviously a legit genius.

00:51:17.000 A fella I worked with when I was making a TV show out in LA, Troy Miller, he worked on Arrested Development and a bunch of cool stuff and like a show that I was making.

00:51:25.000 He said, when Steve Jobs died, I guess I must have been working with that guy, and he said, Steve Jobs was our Beatles.

00:51:30.000 And I thought, oh, that's so cool.

00:51:32.000 What a cool reference because like the Beatles of that generation are in even working in music, but is working in tech.

00:51:39.000 That's an interesting way of looking at the way the culture adjusted.

00:51:43.000 Now, when you sort of watch all three of those bits of biographical material, you get the idea that Steve Jobs had access, he got access to the Ultimate.

00:51:52.000 But in Ram Das's book, Be Here Now, and this is in Gibney's documentary, there's this concept of the golden chain that Ram Das says that if you awaken but you maintain ego, you will manifest things somewhat darkly.

00:52:06.000 And I think he's such a curious modern parable, Steve Jobs, because he adopted and isolated and alienated, created these devices of closed ecology, connection, and control, but ended up, in a sense, inflicting his solipsism back.

00:52:22.000 On the culture somehow.

00:52:23.000 Now they're looking at some more of these folks that, you know, the sort of technological oligarch class that are emerging.

00:52:30.000 And I don't know too much about Larry Ellison or Peter Thiel or Elon Musk, but I remember watching, indeed, again, a sort of a Tucker interview with Sam Altman.

00:52:41.000 And I thought that dude is like AI come to life.

00:52:45.000 Like he's like.

00:52:47.000 Altman.

00:52:48.000 Altman.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, there's code.

00:52:53.000 Don't go crazy, Sean.

00:52:55.000 Don't go crazy.

00:52:56.000 Don't start doing it.

00:52:57.000 It's always in the name.

00:52:58.000 Everything's in the name.

00:52:59.000 Control print.

00:53:01.000 Control print.

00:53:05.000 But anyway, I feel like that what's happening in this, the attempt to implement, where we're heading, I think, and I think a lot of people believe this, is the implementation of technological feudalism that's so far beyond what could have been achieved in the 20th century, the industrial version of.

00:53:25.000 Totalitarian control. 0.99

00:53:27.000 You've got to be a crazy ass Nazi. 1.00

00:53:29.000 Don't start getting into all that. 1.00

00:53:30.000 I bet you've made a film about Adolf Hitler.

00:53:32.000 What a great guy he was by Sean Stone. 0.90

00:53:36.000 Adolf Hitler misunderstood genius. 0.65

00:53:39.000 All he wanted to do was paint and eat vegetarian Cornish pasties. 0.87

00:53:44.000 No, like, so, like, my point is.

00:53:46.000 I am not one of the Hitler apologists.

00:53:48.000 There are some.

00:53:48.000 There are definitely a few Hitler apologists out there now, but I'm not a fan.

00:53:53.000 I think he was demon possessed.

00:53:54.000 I've got a friend who calls him Adolf.

00:53:57.000 I've got a friend who doesn't even call him Hitler. 0.76

00:53:58.000 He goes, hey, man, like, Adolf, he was on the. 0.76

00:54:01.000 I'm like, mate.

00:54:03.000 Anyway, that's not my point.

00:54:05.000 My point is the 20th century version of totalitarianism, it was so sort of lurid and obvious and brutal and mad.

00:54:14.000 But now it's much more, do you agree, Sean?

00:54:17.000 Like insidious and Huxley esque.

00:54:19.000 And we just sort of like, we'll patiently, like lambs to the slaughter, we'll just go, oh, yeah, okay, take the vaccine.

00:54:25.000 Yes.

00:54:25.000 Oh, I see now.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, facial recognition technology.

00:54:28.000 That would be helpful.

00:54:29.000 I suppose I should carry a digital ID.

00:54:31.000 That would help us. 1.00

00:54:32.000 To control immigration. 0.99

00:54:34.000 You know, we're just gently moving towards technological feudalism compliantly. 0.58

00:54:43.000 That's a mouthful.

00:54:46.000 By the way, I got a couple comments.

00:54:48.000 One, you haven't seen The Pirates of Silicon Valley because that was a great HBO film done around 2000, and it exposes Bill Gates for being the little Weasley, you know, villain that he is and exposed him in that film. 0.99

00:55:04.000 You can't say, cunt. 0.99

00:55:06.000 Has been made to disappear. 1.00

00:55:08.000 He could see, yeah, he's a cut.

00:55:09.000 But he was that film.

00:55:11.000 I think he made that film disappear.

00:55:12.000 Try to find Pirates of Silicon Valley.

00:55:15.000 See how difficult it is to find it.

00:55:17.000 That film was an HBO film.

00:55:18.000 It should be on HBO right now.

00:55:20.000 It's completely gone.

00:55:22.000 Bill Gates buried that film.

00:55:24.000 And Steve Jobs is the more heroic character in it.

00:55:27.000 You'll see why.

00:55:28.000 But no, Jobs was opening dimensions with, I think that's how they saw it, right?

00:55:32.000 They saw the dimensional quality of consciousness.

00:55:35.000 And that's what we're experiencing now.

00:55:36.000 We're experiencing, as you know, a dimensional experience across space time, right?

00:55:42.000 And it all takes place in the now, even wherever we are, even if I'm here in the room, but my mind is somewhere else, daydreaming or visualizing, it's all taking place in the now.

00:55:54.000 So that's what makes consciousness so curious at this moment that we can really still choose which path, which adventure we want to go down.

00:56:01.000 And I don't know if we're going to do it as a collective or not.

00:56:05.000 There are people saying that there'll be a splitting, like a bifurcation almost of paths of those that choose to basically ascend into a more connected way of living, not technologically connected, but.

00:56:17.000 Spiritually connected, and then technology will reflect that.

00:56:21.000 And then those that descended in techno feudalism because essentially chosen a darker, more fear based path of control.

00:56:28.000 The argument is that because of where we are, we are in this time frame entering the backdrop of the Aquarian age, right?

00:56:37.000 Christ understood that his teachings were initially geared towards the Piscean age, but really it was more for the new heaven and new earth he was talking about, the new heaven and new earth being the Aquarian age.

00:56:51.000 Okay, we have a new heaven, the Aquarian backdrop, right?

00:56:56.000 Constellation.

00:56:57.000 So that's where his teachings will really apply now.

00:57:01.000 We were in the Piscean age of the schooling of the fish in schools, right?

00:57:04.000 Everyone had to learn certain things and we respected the authority figures, and you do in school, right?

00:57:09.000 He's the teacher, he's the priest, he's the politician, he's the lawyer, represents me.

00:57:14.000 Now you enter more sovereignty, you represent yourself.

00:57:16.000 You don't need the agent to represent you to be a star.

00:57:20.000 You are your own star.

00:57:22.000 A newscaster to tell you this is what's important today.

00:57:25.000 You are casting your own information into the world through these apps.

00:57:29.000 So it's all like a two edged sword, of course.

00:57:31.000 It's fire.

00:57:32.000 Fire can warm us.

00:57:33.000 We can come around the fire. 0.72

00:57:35.000 We can tell stories or we can burn each other down and burn each other to death.

00:57:40.000 That's the power of all technology, right?

00:57:42.000 It can be used.

00:57:44.000 It will raise us and it will destroy us.

00:57:48.000 And again, this is the choose your adventure quality of it.

00:57:50.000 So I don't look at anything as fixed.

00:57:53.000 My reality is I believe.

00:57:55.000 You know, God is guiding us to a better experience of ourselves and this earth through the technological evolution.

00:58:04.000 And I think it's just like with AI, it's like it's a tool.

00:58:07.000 How do we decide to use that?

00:58:09.000 And I think there are certain checks in place in a higher perspective.

00:58:12.000 Like we won't, you know, the creator doesn't want to see us destroy ourselves.

00:58:16.000 We're not going to, I don't believe that. 0.82

00:58:18.000 I don't believe we're going to end the nuclear holocaust. 0.97

00:58:20.000 I never did. 0.98

00:58:20.000 I never went down that path. 0.98

00:58:22.000 You know, and maybe some timelines we did, but obviously we haven't.

00:58:26.000 I don't think we will.

00:58:28.000 That's not the reality that I believe in.

00:58:31.000 In Scripture, there's a sheep v goats moment of, you know, there will be a choosing and a moment of discernment. 0.57

00:58:41.000 And also, you know, a lot of the prophetic writing in Scripture, I'm thinking at the moment of stuff in Daniel and stuff in Ezekiel, where it's depictions of encountering what sounds like a resurrected Christ and what Christians believe is a resurrected Christ.

00:58:58.000 Telling them this is what the dimensional quality of reality is going to be.

00:59:01.000 He's measuring stuff out and giving them information.

00:59:05.000 Then in Revelation, you know, you get the sort of strong sense that we're going to be facing a choice.

00:59:13.000 Now, another of the, along with the kind of iconoclasm that's been, that has defined our time, where as soon as someone is somewhat heroic, they are annihilated in the culture, even retrospectively, even, you know, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, whoever, you know, anyone that's held up as, oh, this is a good way of being a person, self sacrificing, flawed, but willing to, Fight and die for what you believe in.

00:59:38.000 Those people are sort of bleached out.

00:59:41.000 And what I was trying to get at with this depiction of a dystopia, which I also, you know, I like you, because the Christian perspective, of course, is it is one we fight not for victory, but from victory that somehow it's been resolved in the atemporal, on the eternal plane where you meet him, on the eternal plane where he comes in. 0.84

01:00:02.000 Oh, man, I'm going to tell you this because you're an out of your mind person who's spending their 20s in mental hospitals. 0.67

01:00:07.000 I may as well tell you. 0.80

01:00:08.000 The sort of stuff that happens.

01:00:09.000 What's happening to me is this process of what I'm calling a kind of a psychic peristalsis.

01:00:14.000 Like I'm going through these periods of being sort of so crushed that I feel like I can't carry on anymore.

01:00:19.000 It's too much.

01:00:20.000 I can't keep up this feeling.

01:00:22.000 Then it releases with insight and it happens like nearly constantly.

01:00:27.000 And what came the other day was the sub molecular honeycomb cross.

01:00:34.000 The honeycomb is a natural geometry.

01:00:39.000 You'd never find right angles. 0.99

01:00:40.000 You know, I know you'll know your butt. 0.99

01:00:42.000 Minster Fuller. 0.99

01:00:43.000 Yeah, the hexagon.

01:00:46.000 And I began to feel and see an interconnected net web mesh, but that multi dimensional honeycomb material that intersects with your personhood along the Kundalini line at the point of the chakras.

01:01:04.000 Then, in that super state of potentiality, i.e., reality is ultimately indeterminate and can collapse into a wave of.

01:01:12.000 Or, particle dependent on what you do as a co participant or co heir to cite Romans.

01:01:18.000 We are creating reality with God in the moment.

01:01:21.000 We are artists co creating with Him, kings co creating with Him, sons of God co creating with Him.

01:01:27.000 I saw and felt at the level of the chakras, Sean, that if you were able to get down there with the bosons and leptons, with what passes for matter at the smallest observable level, You would find.

01:01:43.000 The cross, you would find the cross in there. 0.70

01:01:45.000 Also, at the beginning of Romans.

01:01:47.000 It says um, he's like he's.

01:01:49.000 It says his eternal qualities have been obvious since the dawn of time.

01:01:53.000 It says something like that, being a Romans right, so you've got no excuse for not knowing.

01:01:56.000 And it says his eternal power and his divine nature.

01:02:00.000 Eternal power, the vertical beam of the cross I understand to mean the power and the source comes from outside of time, eternal outside of time.

01:02:10.000 And the divine nature is when we act in that loving way that you keep returning to that, you know, to return to the innocence of love, To cast off, oh, I can't love people.

01:02:20.000 I'm going to be hurt if I love people.

01:02:21.000 I'm going to be exploited and used.

01:02:23.000 To return to that innocent, to be restored.

01:02:26.000 Like, that's what he said.

01:02:27.000 That's the offer of Christ. 0.99

01:02:29.000 It's like all that shit from Garden of Eden onwards. 0.99

01:02:32.000 Don't worry about that. 1.00

01:02:33.000 I've dealt with it.

01:02:35.000 You can go back to whatever that was.

01:02:37.000 You're still going to have to live through the sort of weird unfolding inertia of matter in this fallen realm.

01:02:44.000 But that frequency is established now.

01:02:47.000 It's established now.

01:02:49.000 So.

01:02:50.000 I'm getting at receiving since coming to Christ information that's again, it doesn't negate the years I spent sort of going and meeting Amma in India and studying at the feet of gurus and dropping LSD and chanting mantra and all of that.

01:03:08.000 It's like that, this is He is the ultimate God.

01:03:11.000 He is the ultimate God, certainly when you're a human being, because He instantiates it, manifests it, incarnates it on this plane.

01:03:21.000 But it's trippy, man.

01:03:22.000 It's trippy.

01:03:24.000 And it's not killing me, but it's nearly killing me.

01:03:31.000 Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

01:03:34.000 Wait, no, what kills you makes you strongest.

01:03:36.000 So if it does kill you, it'll make you stronger.

01:03:38.000 Don't worry.

01:03:40.000 Good, good, good.

01:03:41.000 Like Ben Kenobi.

01:03:41.000 Yes, yes.

01:03:43.000 So I feel like you're on this path with us.

01:03:48.000 What I'm interested in now is how do I think that when cryptocurrency started happening, they realized. 0.99

01:03:55.000 Oh shit, we're in serious trouble. 0.86

01:03:57.000 They've got the ability to have decentralized financial transactions. 1.00

01:04:01.000 When independent media happened, I thought they realized, oh shit, we're not in control of information anymore. 0.87

01:04:06.000 We have the ability to control information in the same way that if they get control of centralized CBDs, excuse me, centralized currencies, they'll be able to shut down your bank account with a click. 1.00

01:04:16.000 But if we're off grid, they're fucked. 0.76

01:04:19.000 I reckon that what the arms race that I think we're in is when people start to deploy this politically, which is already happening to a degree, Trump did it through Twitter. 0.98

01:04:31.000 And Brexit, it happened through like, what would they call them?

01:04:35.000 Cambridge Analytica and targeted Facebook advertising.

01:04:38.000 And it's starting to happen mostly with populist nationalism across Europe and elsewhere.

01:04:45.000 Is the centralized institutions can't control the political narrative anymore?

01:04:50.000 Even cancellation, I'd be cancelled in any sensible world, but like, you know, the world's not like that no more.

01:04:55.000 They can't do that, they can't do it anymore.

01:04:57.000 So, what I'm saying is, isn't the natural step, Sean, for us to be more direct?

01:05:03.000 When it comes to politics, either running for different forms of political office, proposing different political systems, finding causes that can naturally coalesce, one such being like agriculture.

01:05:15.000 It's interesting you mentioned Mahara.

01:05:17.000 I hang with those a lot when I can and do my best to support them because, yeah, like you, I agree that the body and food, by their nature, that's factory setting stuff.

01:05:28.000 We shouldn't be killing each other over bodies and food and pharma.

01:05:33.000 We should all be able to come to some sort of consensus around that.

01:05:35.000 So, where do you think?

01:05:37.000 Do you think that some of our ideas align and that we could participate in popularizing ideas that are about kind of direct action and direct democracy?

01:05:49.000 Well, democracy is an ugly word.

01:05:52.000 Remember that.

01:05:54.000 Democracy to me is like we saw it during COVID, man. 0.93

01:05:58.000 The mob is insane.

01:06:01.000 Don't let the majority tell you what to do.

01:06:03.000 The beauty of the republic is that we protect the minority, right? 0.65

01:06:06.000 Because usually, as we know, the The vanguard, you know, it's the elite, the thinkers, the real people that can see and visualize and see what's coming.

01:06:15.000 They're not the majority, right?

01:06:17.000 They're a vanguard, they're a smaller group.

01:06:20.000 And so, how to then, you know, the real question is it's energy, right?

01:06:24.000 Going back to like what connects all these different dimensions we're speaking of, from the spiritual realm to the oil being pulled out from the earth to the currency that flows.

01:06:34.000 It's all energy, right?

01:06:35.000 Our experience in human form is an energy experience.

01:06:38.000 Where do we give our energy?

01:06:39.000 Do we give our energy to.

01:06:41.000 You know, certain work, certain people, certain things that we watch, certain things that we engage with, right?

01:06:47.000 Everything is energy.

01:06:49.000 Even where we put our consciousness, our attention, it's an energy exchange.

01:06:53.000 Are we being nourished by it?

01:06:54.000 So I think that as we become more attuned to this, to this nature of our reality, which is an energetic reality, not of letting go of the physical, idea of the physical and expectation of a physical, coming back to the energy experience of it, we will be guided, each of us, on our path of where to put our energy.

01:07:11.000 And as you said, it can take the form of direct collective action or direct collective experience locally.

01:07:19.000 It can take it globally, thankfully, because we are so.

01:07:21.000 Connected through these devices and whatnot, we can align ourselves with people from around the world and create movements.

01:07:29.000 But it does come back to, yes, the land right beneath our feet, the community that surrounds us.

01:07:39.000 Again, these things will reveal themselves, I trust, as we start to really just follow our path.

01:07:45.000 That's what I've experienced in my life.

01:07:46.000 It was like I may have set off with one mission of like, this is the way I'm going.

01:07:50.000 And the universe is saying, nope, we want you to over here now.

01:07:53.000 Okay, now this becomes my path.

01:07:56.000 Let go of what's not my path.

01:07:58.000 And it's difficult, you know, again, because we think big picture, we think we can plan it out and strategize it.

01:08:05.000 But as you know, it's the organic nature of these movements, of these transitions that we have to allow them to flourish and to blossom and trust again, trusting the plan.

01:08:13.000 I always go back to that.

01:08:14.000 People hate that, trusting the plan, but that's all we've got.

01:08:18.000 You know, we can't, it's just, it's the strategizing, the planning, all that will fall away if it's not God's plan.

01:08:24.000 And so, yeah, going back to the issue of energy, it's like currency is being a big problem of holding up.

01:08:30.000 Ingenuity, if you think about it, is you know how much ingenuity is available, how much energy is here.

01:08:34.000 We've got billions of people on this planet.

01:08:37.000 If we had the if we were allowing the flow of energy to more directly reflect the innovation, the ideas, if we were able to go directly out to people and say, hey, this is this is the vision, and people start to gather and magnetize, that's the beauty of you know of these energy flows, right?

01:08:55.000 Is that when we have an idea, when we go with an impulse, people start to attract to it.

01:09:00.000 We trust that the energy will flow, hopefully.

01:09:02.000 New systems can be born that allow for more of a flow of energy as opposed to a debt based system that we currently live under.

01:09:09.000 This is a big problem, I think, with the overall modality.

01:09:13.000 We call it the death economy.

01:09:14.000 John Perkins, who I interviewed for one of my documentaries, talked about the death economy.

01:09:19.000 So much of our energy has been put towards scarcity or control of resources, limited resources, as opposed to the alchemical vision that energy can transform everything, that we don't have to be limited by scarcity, that actually we have an abundant.

01:09:36.000 We have an infinite yet bounded universe, let's say.

01:09:41.000 And if we just put more intention toward it, we can have everyone live with some level of abundance.

01:09:50.000 Let's say everyone can live with abundance.

01:09:51.000 There's no reason for people to be dying of hunger, let's say, in a world where we have this much food being thrown out into the garbage or going to waste somewhere.

01:10:03.000 So we have the abundance, we have the wealth, we have.

01:10:07.000 Everything, it's just not being deployed properly.

01:10:09.000 And if we, as humans, try to map it too much and chart it too much, I think we'll get into trouble.

01:10:14.000 But if we can trust that each of us has our path and we're just guided where we're meant to be, trust the divine, the greater power that manifested all of this, that created all of this life that's so far beyond any of our understanding.

01:10:27.000 If we can trust that and just follow each of us our own path, our own intuition, it will unfold the way it's meant to.

01:10:34.000 And ideally, for our best, highest evolution of self, of soul through this incarnation.

01:10:40.000 Because that's ultimately my ultimate feeling is like, as much as we care about our incarnations here, because we're emotionally invested in it, it's also not permanent.

01:10:50.000 And so we can't attach too much to it.

01:10:52.000 It is ultimately a kind of game where we think we know better or should do better.

01:10:58.000 But again, trusting the creator, it's designed really for our own evolution as souls.

01:11:04.000 That's very beautifully put.

01:11:06.000 Thank you.

01:11:07.000 I like that. 0.88

01:11:09.000 And now for some smart ass comments from me.

01:11:12.000 Hey, if you're a filmmaker, why are you getting your laptop on such a bad angle?

01:11:23.000 You don't like my angle?

01:11:24.000 It's shooting up.

01:11:25.000 Why are you not.

01:11:27.000 Don't you want it square?

01:11:29.000 Why don't you even shoot down a little bit?

01:11:30.000 I can barely see myself.

01:11:31.000 Here we go.

01:11:32.000 You should have told me this an hour ago.

01:11:33.000 I can barely see myself.

01:11:34.000 I have a little box here on Zoom.

01:11:37.000 Another more smartass comment.

01:11:40.000 What was you doing in the Freemasons with Jay Z?

01:11:43.000 What's going on there?

01:11:44.000 All right, Peanut Gallery.

01:11:50.000 Okay, comments from the Peanut Gallery.

01:11:52.000 So, what am I doing in the Freemasons?

01:11:52.000 Let's go.

01:11:55.000 I was initiated back in 2010, 11, 12, somewhere there. 0.59

01:11:59.000 I haven't been with the Masons particularly in a long time.

01:12:03.000 I know some people that are, but it's an initiatory body.

01:12:07.000 I mean, what do you mean to tell you?

01:12:08.000 It's initiating you into a new understanding of reality, I guess.

01:12:13.000 In my case, it was.

01:12:15.000 For some people, it's just a bunch of guys they go have beer with.

01:12:18.000 I mean, they go do charity stuff.

01:12:21.000 To each their own, to each to your own level of consciousness and understanding.

01:12:25.000 Oh, Jay Z.

01:12:27.000 Well, okay, look at here's my attitude.

01:12:30.000 Here's my answer.

01:12:32.000 I was raised to the third degree, and by that point, I felt that a lot of the knowledge that I had was from external study.

01:12:40.000 And most of the information that people talk about for Masonry is already out there.

01:12:43.000 It's already available.

01:12:44.000 It's already been published.

01:12:45.000 It's morals and dogma type of stuff by Pike, but other things.

01:12:49.000 It's already been published.

01:12:50.000 It's already been made aware into the public consciousness.

01:12:52.000 If you want to seek, You shall find the information.

01:12:55.000 There are certain hidden books, I'm sure, that certain families have access to grimoires and spell books and secret books like that.

01:13:04.000 I don't know.

01:13:04.000 But the point is that most of the information, when it comes to these organizations and the teachings, they're already out there in the public.

01:13:11.000 They're already being projected to us through stories.

01:13:15.000 And so my path was really just, I think, it was like a weighing of my soul kind of moment of saying, Are you following the light path or the dark path?

01:13:23.000 And once they discerned who I was, it was like, That's when, as I said in the Tucker thing, like I got these phone calls from 666 666 6666 numbers, and it was like demonic voices.

01:13:35.000 But I was having the same time I was going to haunted mental hospitals and seeing, you know, and basically seeing people get possessed by demons.

01:13:42.000 So I knew this stuff was real now.

01:13:44.000 I mean, I'll tell you an example.

01:13:45.000 I, I, I, one day I was in my home, I was at my house here by myself.

01:13:51.000 I picked up a book by your, your friend John D. Remember John D., the famous, the, uh, the occult.

01:13:58.000 The occult head of the Secret Service for Queen Elizabeth, right?

01:14:03.000 The Tempest was inspired from him, apparently, right?

01:14:06.000 The character in the Tempest of the Wizard, the Prospero.

01:14:12.000 Yeah, but he's a wizard, right?

01:14:13.000 He's a conjurer.

01:14:14.000 That's based on D.

01:14:17.000 And D, he had a tremendous library, and some people say he influenced Shakespeare's work.

01:14:22.000 I don't know who really wrote Shakespeare.

01:14:23.000 I think it was an occult operation of multiple people, but that's a whole other story.

01:14:28.000 Point being, heresy, heresy, exactly, exactly, exactly.

01:14:32.000 The point being that I picked up one of the books, the texts of the language John D. channeled.

01:14:38.000 John D. was communing with what he called angelic beings, right?

01:14:43.000 Anakian beings.

01:14:44.000 But he was channeling something and he created a language to communicate with them.

01:14:49.000 So I said, okay, I have a book in my house.

01:14:51.000 I never opened it, I've had it for six months or a year.

01:14:54.000 I pick up the book, I read the first chapter, right?

01:14:58.000 And it has an incantation.

01:15:01.000 And I do a meditation.

01:15:03.000 I just, you know, I don't know, just opening to that channel.

01:15:08.000 30 minutes later, I kid you not, I get a phone call from an unknown number.

01:15:14.000 I pick up, hello?

01:15:18.000 Are you a sorcerer?

01:15:22.000 Swear to God.

01:15:23.000 That's all I understood.

01:15:25.000 Then it continued on, garbled, garbled kind of voice, like it was coming from another dimension.

01:15:29.000 It was really hard, it was coming through, and I couldn't understand them.

01:15:32.000 I was like, what are you saying?

01:15:34.000 It was something about like the Grove, and I couldn't, maybe Bohemian Grove, I don't know, but it was like, Communicating for like a few, like a minute or a minute and a half, and I couldn't understand it was so garbled.

01:15:45.000 But the only thing I caught was the first line Are you a sorcerer?

01:15:51.000 No, no one knew I was doing that.

01:15:53.000 You're doing interdimensional comms, you're doing interdimensional comms, you're larking around in mental hospitals in the dead of night.

01:16:03.000 There's a lot going on, mate.

01:16:04.000 There's a lot going on.

01:16:05.000 You said at the beginning or before we were recording that you'd do a watch along.

01:16:09.000 What do you, what should we do it on?

01:16:11.000 Yeah.

01:16:12.000 What do you want to do on these 666 calls?

01:16:16.000 Well, where are you now?

01:16:16.000 California.

01:16:19.000 It's more.

01:16:19.000 I've got the whole documentary.

01:16:20.000 It'll tell you the whole story.

01:16:22.000 It'll tell you a crazy story about possession and demonology.

01:16:27.000 And oh, man, you'll love it.

01:16:30.000 You'll see it up close and you'll decide for yourself.

01:16:33.000 Oh, you know, I mean, you know this stuff is real.

01:16:34.000 But for people that say I'm crazy or I'm making this up, I'm like, all right, let's watch.

01:16:38.000 I'll show you.

01:16:40.000 Yeah, it's hard to walk the line.

01:16:42.000 It's hard to walk the line.

01:16:44.000 It's hard to walk the line.

01:16:45.000 Okay, so do you want to come out here to where are you, California?

01:16:49.000 Yeah, yeah, back in Santa Monica.

01:16:53.000 So maybe come out here or something and we'll do some crazy stuff.

01:16:59.000 We'll work on some innovative ways of communicating complex truths in ways that people will find accessible so that it will encourage them to repent and turn away from the fallen counterfeit world and open themselves to the eternal light that's available to them that will turn them into revolutionary earthly archangels.

01:17:16.000 Fight this holy war that we're in.

01:17:20.000 That's the goal right there.

01:17:22.000 And that's really all we can do, right?

01:17:26.000 We can find the light within ourselves and let it shine out.

01:17:30.000 And if others align with us, beautiful.

01:17:32.000 It's a time where we can see each other more clearly.

01:17:34.000 That's where we are in the awakening process.

01:17:36.000 We see each other more clearly.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, that's good, Sean.

01:17:41.000 Well, I'm glad we did this.

01:17:42.000 Thanks, mate.

01:17:44.000 Thanks for making time for us.

01:17:46.000 Hey, do you know Daniel Pinchbeck?

01:17:48.000 No, but I know.

01:17:51.000 I mean, Daniel's a character.

01:17:52.000 My God.

01:17:53.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:17:54.000 Daniel, I've known.

01:17:55.000 You know, it's funny.

01:17:56.000 So he's like one of these guys, right?

01:17:59.000 Like the left type who goes, we go and we have dinner before I interview him.

01:18:03.000 And he's eating a burger, right?

01:18:04.000 The next day, I interview him and he goes, we got to get rid of eating hamburgers because cattle are creating climate change and blah, blah, blah.

01:18:12.000 I'm like, dude, I just saw you eat a burger last night.

01:18:15.000 And you're out here preaching about, you know, get rid of the cows for, you know, for. 1.00

01:18:20.000 Cal Farts bullshit. 1.00

01:18:21.000 He's a left. 1.00

01:18:22.000 He's a kind of.

01:18:23.000 I debated him about some of that stuff on the climate because I said, you know, we're not.

01:18:28.000 I don't think it's a man made climate.

01:18:30.000 It's an astrological climate shift going on on the planet.

01:18:36.000 So you're seeing extreme extremes of weather.

01:18:39.000 And some of it could be manipulated by the harp and the chemtrails and stuff like that.

01:18:44.000 There is weather modification.

01:18:47.000 But the whole fixation of the climate cult, as you know, a lot of that is designed for the New World Order type of global control that they can tell you oh, you've exceeded your mileage on your Amazon purchases.

01:19:02.000 You're shutting down your Amazon.

01:19:04.000 Oh, you've gone a thousand miles on your airline travel.

01:19:07.000 You have to pay extra money if you want to fly farther.

01:19:11.000 That's what they want.

01:19:12.000 Yeah.

01:19:13.000 I'm starting to understand now.

01:19:16.000 I mean, through the COVID, it's such an amazing window because you can go, oh, I see what they do is they work out what they need to do and then reverse engineer what would be required in order to do it.

01:19:29.000 But there will always be a try.

01:19:31.000 If what they need is global authority, if what they need is authority without killing people in the streets, They can say, well, you know, in order to protect you.

01:19:40.000 But there will always be sort of the thumbprints all over it because if preservation of life were their goal, they would not behave in the way they do in almost every other area of policy.

01:19:53.000 So something like climate change is, yeah, as you say, it legitimizes all manner of controls.

01:19:59.000 You know, in the UK, they withdrew it quickly.

01:20:01.000 They started to produce snacks and like food items in stores that had 8% of your carbon intake, it would say on the thing.

01:20:11.000 And then people started to post it, and it was like, whoa, whoa.

01:20:14.000 And people spotted what that was.

01:20:17.000 So, yeah, exactly.

01:20:19.000 Yeah, they put it on our ticket purchases.

01:20:21.000 But my first short film was called Singularity, and it was about a virus.

01:20:26.000 It was back in 2008, I did this.

01:20:28.000 It was about a virus that is like a modern plague that basically the system comes in place where they surveil everyone.

01:20:36.000 And so, everything is mass surveilled to make sure you're not infected.

01:20:39.000 And it's an AI basically deciding if you're infected.

01:20:42.000 And then they take you away if you're infected.

01:20:44.000 And so the whole debate is really like, is this really for protection or is this big brother?

01:20:49.000 And that's the moral crisis.

01:20:52.000 The point is, if you have to live in that way, you're already dead.

01:20:55.000 That was the message of the story.

01:20:56.000 If you have to live in such a way that you're in constant fear, you're already dead.

01:20:59.000 There's no life.

01:21:00.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 There's no point in living that way.

01:21:03.000 I think that has already happened to a large degree, but you're right.

01:21:05.000 It's still live.

01:21:06.000 It's still live.

01:21:07.000 There's still the possibility.

01:21:08.000 Hey, man, I've got to go because I've got to do something else.

01:21:10.000 I've already texted you, Sean.

01:21:11.000 Yeah, it's good.

01:21:13.000 Sweet.

01:21:13.000 Appreciate it.

01:21:14.000 It's great to see you.

01:21:16.000 It's great to see you too.

01:21:17.000 It's really lovely to see you.

01:21:18.000 You're so warm and lovely.

01:21:19.000 Thank you.

01:21:21.000 Appreciate it.

01:21:21.000 Have a beautiful day, man.

01:21:23.000 Yes, mate.

01:21:24.000 Cheers.

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Satanism, Power and Why the Elite Don’t Hide It Anymore - SF721

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