00:00:26.000His father, Oliver Stone, is famous for all those Oliver Stone movies you know about.
00:00:30.000What's interesting about Sean is that he's done a lot of investigation and exploration into the connection between verifiable corruption and evil, the kind of stuff you're all familiar with, Epstein files.
00:00:41.000Deep state government Machiavellianism.
00:00:44.000And then slightly more esoteric stuff.
00:00:46.000What do you mean that the CIA were doing peculiar supernatural experiments and injecting people with hallucinogens, MKUltra?
00:00:53.000Right out to, hold on a second, is this entire scheme being run by satanic occultist interests?
00:00:59.000And over the course of our conversation, we talk about his experiences in all of those areas and his films.
00:01:05.000His film, The RFK Legacy, is available now.
00:01:08.000There's a link in the description to that.
00:01:09.000And before we go any further, remember, you can get my book, Russell Brand How to Become a Christian in Seventh Days.
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00:01:17.000And if you want the audiobook, which you can have for free, there's a link to that as well.
00:01:21.000We're giving it away because I want you to have it.
00:01:24.000But without any further ado, here's Sean Stone.
00:01:30.000Sean, I'm truly sort of trying to understand power and how power operates, trying to have conversations about the nature of power, about dark power.
00:01:48.000Let's say dialectics because it sounds like the kind of fancy word I'd like to say this early in a conversation of the 60s and 70s, and maybe right up to the 80s, would have been about power is about resource control and maybe about deep state or globalist conspiracy.
00:02:07.000You know, it's a word that's associated with your family and your family's filmmaking.
00:02:13.000But say in your movie RFK Legacy, some of the territory covered includes the Epstein Files, MKUltra.
00:02:25.000Now, Epstein, not that long ago, the idea that there are sort of paedophile conspiracy rings and that deep state agencies are involved, that would not that long ago, for most people, have been implausible.
00:02:41.000MKUltra, for a long time, we've known that there's a, you know, about the SCIA MKUltra program and affiliated and associated and other extraordinary programs.
00:02:55.000Still now is pretty esoteric, and most people would think, no, really, whilst there is clandestine information, politics is mostly about this is who rules China, this is who rules Russia, this is who rules the United States of America, and there are powerful corporations and maybe powerful bureaucracies.
00:03:19.000But by nature, difficult to corroborate ideas like this are starting to.
00:03:28.000Infiltrate the conversation, but somehow, even using the example of MKUltra, even when we kind of know stuff, Sean, we can't fully somehow take it on board.
00:03:41.000How do you tell stories in that territory and get people to kind of hold your hand and come along with you?
00:03:51.000I mean, I've been on the conspiracy theory journey since I was a kid.
00:03:56.000So, you mentioned my family and my dad was doing.
00:03:59.000Salvador was one of his first films, and that dealt with how we were backing death squads down there back in the 80s, right?
00:04:07.000He had lived through Vietnam, so he didn't see all the extreme of, let's say, a Milan High massacre, but he certainly saw aspects of the psychological manipulation, the fragging or the murder of civilians, the horror, a lot of the dark things about war.
00:04:25.000And so he understood that, and then he applied that understanding to why JFK was killed.
00:04:30.000He believed that it had more to do with geopolitics, with JFK not wanting to.
00:04:37.000Let's say to commit to the Vietnam War as he had not committed to Laos before that.
00:04:42.000And so, you know, my dad felt that he, you know, he was killed for reasons like that.
00:04:46.000But JFK itself becomes like, I always say it's the gateway drug that if most people dive into the JFK conspiracy, you'll go in any direction.
00:04:54.000There's stuff about, you know, UFOs and aliens.
00:04:56.000You want to go talk about the Federal Reserve, you know, banking system and how JFK was going to issue money directly from the Treasury for the first time, I guess, since Lincoln, right?
00:05:05.000Because now we've got this Federal Reserve lending.
00:05:07.000Money to the US government that gets issued to us, Federal Reserve notes, right?
00:05:16.000He was bucking the military industrial complex, just across the board, right?
00:05:19.000So I grew up with this kind of gateway into conspiracy.
00:05:24.000And I think for me, it's always just been a question of if I can, I'm a pretty grounded person.
00:05:29.000I didn't come from a place of being far out, but I like history.
00:05:33.000And so before even getting into the supernatural, the paranormal, the demonic, like I would look at history.
00:05:38.000And I'd be like, okay, well, you know, the history books, the Bible, and all these things they're talking about, you know, the Bible's not the only one.
00:05:52.000But then, you know, you go to the other texts, and it's there throughout recorded history, whether it's been paintings, whether it's in the literature itself.
00:06:03.000And so, okay, if that's part of our human story and our human experience, and then you come to the modern day, and then you start getting reports of people.
00:06:12.000You know, you talk about satanic politics.
00:06:15.000Read the Franklin cover up, which was a book that I read very young.
00:06:19.000I was in college, and that dealt with what was called the Franklin scandal.
00:06:23.000Basically, back in the 80s, there was a network that was trafficking young kids, and it was mostly connected to that time, more the Republican Party at the time.
00:06:34.000Larry King, who was not the commentator Larry King, but this was a black Lawrence King, who was one of the heads of the Republican Party, was involved in.0.53
00:06:45.000This scandal in Franklin, Nebraska, like a savings and loan that went under, there was fraud involved.0.52
00:06:51.000But then behind the savings and loan, there was this realization of these kids that were being trafficked by networks connected again to the Republican Party and not just Republican, it was going across parties.
00:07:03.000But again, this was a high level Republican that got indicted in this, Larry King.
00:07:08.000And then I read the Franklin cover up was written by a guy, John DeCamp, who was basically a CIA guy.
00:07:14.000He was a CIA officer who was very close to William Colby, the former head of the CIA.
00:07:19.000So, it wasn't like some crazy guy coming at the story.
00:07:32.000It was one of those stories that really got buried for a long time.
00:07:35.000But thanks to the Epstein scandal, I think people can now look at it with fresh eyes and realize this is not a new thing.
00:07:42.000The idea of people being involved with politics, pedophilia, and then what is the satanic component to that?
00:07:50.000Because what drives someone psychologically?
00:07:54.000To pray not just on you know underage, we're talking children, infants five, you know, six months old, five years old, seven years old like children, right?
00:08:05.000What allows that level of psychology, psychosis, to prey upon, to rape, to murder such innocence?
00:08:14.000And then you go back to the Bible and the understanding of how demons operate, and they lust for that innocence, that purity, because they don't have it, right?
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00:09:57.000But it's difficult for us, like for most, even people who, like me, like me, who from a pretty young age has been exposed to unusual information that, in a way, meant I could never be a full participant in the culture.
00:10:13.000I suppose, in a way, somewhat set apart if you start taking drugs when you're.
00:10:19.000In your teens and read the kind of literature that you're alluding to, even if it's not as historically valid and a little more marginal and speculative.
00:10:28.000And even that's not entirely fair because those subjects are, by their nature, kind of have doubt cast on them.
00:10:34.000It's difficult to find verified literature on extraterrestrials and people that were like, you know, like looking at Bob Lazar and Bob Exler and their material on cassette and reading books 35 years ago now, Sean.
00:10:52.000That is another one of those subjects that's made its way from conspiratorial crack pottery into caches of information being released by the government.
00:11:06.000And what I feel we might be living in now, and it's really interesting speaking to you because of your history with it, and I find it interesting that you say that you're grounded and prefer historical stuff because you must have grown up in an environment where you had access to pretty esoteric information and were around, I'm assuming, extraordinary characters.
00:11:25.000And then your own filmmaking career has led you into pretty esoteric and unusual occultist subjects.
00:11:31.000Even your latest film, which is, you know, to some degree a biography of RFK Jr. and Senior, the parallels, echoes, and comparisons between the two.
00:11:56.000Someone said to me pretty recently, with the Epstein files being as, even with the level of access we've had so far, how come people are still paying their taxes?
00:12:04.000How come people are still participating?
00:12:06.000It seems like there's a threshold that we can't kind of take on board.
00:12:10.000And I kind of feel that myself, although I do reckon I'm reaching a point, Sean, where I feel like I need to move into solutions.
00:12:19.000And I can't keep taking on more and more of this information, thinking like, all right, well, once we got this piece of the jigsaw and we prove that Klaus Schwab was summoning Beelzebub, then finally people go, oh, that's it.
00:12:36.000It doesn't seem like there's a piece of data point that's going to drive people over because I think that somehow we can't take it on and accommodate it.
00:12:44.000And you, I'm assuming, you must have more because you've made sort of very cogent and coherent films on these subjects, actually making, trying your best to make clear the connections between the known and the somewhat more occult and difficult to corroborate.
00:13:02.000So, do you reckon that there's a point where people, where Where people, where there could be a kind of a mass awakening, or is that not something that you even think your storytelling is driving towards anymore?
00:13:18.000I mean, again, going back to like my lifetime, I mean, I came from a place of, and again, I mean, I'm just, I'm feeling the zeitgeist in America, you know, in America.
00:13:27.000That's, you know, but America has been a media hub for the last hundred years for a reason, right?
00:13:31.000We are, we, not just, I mean, media more recently, but generally we've been a hub of the world.
00:13:36.000We've been a light of the world for a reason.
00:13:38.000We'd attract, you know, so many cultures from across the world.
00:13:40.000People want to, Come here for a reason, right?
00:13:54.000And that's, you know, so again, in my experience, it's like growing up in the 80s when it was like that last vestige of like pro America, you know, unification.
00:14:05.000We really felt like, I think, you know, we prevailed during the Cold War.
00:14:10.000And then it turned into the, The anti hero, the grunge culture, the antithesis, let's say, that followed.
00:14:17.000And then that really, I think, was articulated by the 9 11 era, right?
00:14:22.000The war on terror, the absolute darkness that surrounded the collective, as far as my feeling.
00:14:28.000Look at media and art, I just can't feel the same energy from films, from music, from anything, from culture that I think we felt pre 2000.
00:14:36.000There was an authenticity that feels lost.
00:14:38.000And now we're in this sort of age of a lot of information and niche cultures, which is cool, but we've lost maybe.
00:14:48.000We've lost that collective experience of us as a people.
00:14:53.000So, as we sort of not even just bifurcated, we've separated into these little pods and paths, there is an awakening that's taken place because we've experienced it in our own lives from the place of, like you said, you couldn't talk about conspiracies, or then it started becoming more acceptable to the place of, yeah, I mean, everyone kind of gets it now.
00:15:13.000There's really dark stuff going on at a political level.
00:15:15.000And whether or not you think Donald Trump is the devil, it's like he's there to help awaken.
00:15:25.000He's there to, you know, he's been, you know, how to say, his presidency between 2016 and now has, to me, it's been evidence of the awakening because whether people hate him or not, it's, I just look at him as a catalyst for so much of this experience, right?
00:15:39.000And wherever people fall on that whole spectrum of Trump derangement or whether he's controlled by Israel or, you know, or the COVID thing, like you name it, it's still been the massive quickening of information coming out there and distrust of government, which Is great because if we want to achieve sovereignty, we can't just fall in line and say we must obey.
00:16:01.000We have to achieve it through love overcoming fear.
00:16:20.000But it's also sometimes necessary to be divided to ultimately find, okay, once I see where the division lines are, I recognize that maybe we're 10% different, 90% on the same side, on the same page, right?
00:16:31.000Or we're 20% different, but 80% on the same page.
00:16:34.000And then we can find our unity and our commonality as humans once we recognize, yeah, there's going to be divisions.
00:16:41.000There's going to be divisions of how we speak, what we believe in.
00:16:45.000But at the heart of it, as human beings, I think that most of us can get along.
00:16:51.000And we're not there yet, but that is the ultimate goal, I think, of where we're moving towards as we awaken our hearts and live more with love and empathy, right?
00:17:01.000And understanding of each other without having to control and feel like, well, if you're different, I can't control you.
00:17:36.000I believe in love as the greatest force and power in the universe.
00:17:43.000Yeah, because when you said about sovereignty and love, I suppose that you can personally attune and take some responsibility or at least action towards being in a kind of a state of personal serenity.
00:17:56.000I was trying to do it today, actually.
00:17:58.000After coming to Christ, I'm still reading the kind of things that I've always read to a degree.
00:18:03.000I mean, like popular Eastern mysticism, to look at how these subjects align.
00:18:08.000And what I've been taught a lot lately is that the message of Christ, when institutionalized, is significantly different.
00:18:17.000Diluted and maybe even completely obscured.
00:18:21.000I see you talk before about how the introduction of fear almost puts you on the wrong bandwidth, so you would not be a recipient of grace if you're in a fearful state.
00:18:33.000Trouble is though, Sean, and you know, you've been for a few, I guess, I don't know, incarnations yourself, but you were Muslim for a while, is that right?
00:18:44.000And like, you know, and I know that me, I take a lot of hits when I talk publicly about.0.82
00:18:50.000Coming to Christ, and like we live in a cultural environment that's kind of, I think, in some ways, quite hateful and quite condemning.
00:19:00.000And they'll use whatever there is about you to kind of destroy you because there's just such an appetite for that destruction.
00:19:09.000I guess if you're from a famous family, you've got a famous dad, you're going to get hit up for that.1.00
00:19:13.000You've been a Muslim, you're going to get hit for that.0.85
00:19:16.000Me, I womanized a bunch, or everything that's sort of like it's almost like the top.0.99
00:19:19.00010 things you could find out about a person in a Google search, those things you will be annihilated for if you dare step into a kind of a public forum.
00:19:28.000And I just wonder what your firstly, what your ongoing appetite for that stuff is.
00:19:33.000And, you know, all of us understand what's meant by you've got to try and stay in a state of love and that there's a sort of a personal sovereignty if you can recognize that within you, you do have access to the power of God.
00:19:46.000It is accessible to you if you are able to be still and.
00:19:50.000Attuned to it, but me, I've known all this stuff for a long, long while, and I still find it really, really, really difficult.
00:20:04.000What's your, like, yeah, just tell me how are you achieving it?
00:20:06.000And then we'll do the next question after.
00:20:09.000I think I just, I embrace the paradox and the contradictions because, you know, again, to the idea that anyone really can fathom us and hold us.
00:20:17.000I mean, that's the problem of our media culture, right?
00:20:19.000It's like they want to put people into boxes.
00:20:21.000They want to be able to say, oh, you're this, check, you're that, check.
00:20:24.000And then if you fall, and then, you know, but in the course of our lives, as we mature, we evolve, we're going to have falls out of, In and out of roles, we're going to fall in and out of roles, we're going to change roles, we're going to change identities, we're going to fall from grace.
00:20:37.000And, you know, how do we sustain those falls, right?
00:20:42.000When it comes to the spiritual path, I've just been on a spiritual journey my whole life, of, you know, since even before I was aware of it, I think, in the sense that I wasn't indoctrinated, thankfully.
00:20:52.000My parents gave me the freedom to say, we went to self realization fellowship and, you know, we would listen to readings from the Quran or from the Vedas or from the Bible.
00:21:02.000It wasn't a discernment of saying this is right and that's wrong.
00:21:05.000It was actually recognizing, I don't want to say the unity of it all, but this is one reality that no one has the truth.
00:21:18.000And so some paths are stronger and you can feel the energy and it's pure, it's more pure, it's more connected.
00:21:26.000And I believe every religion has truth to it.
00:21:30.000So when I accepted Islam, I said, I accept Muhammad as a prophet in the lineage of prophets.0.63
00:21:36.000That's what Judeo Christianity has always been.0.62
00:21:38.000It's been a lineage of prophets, right?
00:21:41.000Going back to Abraham and the hundreds or thousands of prophets that followed.
00:21:46.000And so for Muhammad to basically take those teachings and read the Quran, it's mostly about Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Mary.
00:21:54.000I mean, that's what most of the Quran is, right?
00:21:56.000So it's not like Islam is some alien religion.
00:22:00.000I look at, you know, they're just, I believe they're all brothers in faith.
00:22:03.000And when you study Imam Ali, who was the closest companion to Prophet Muhammad, He was the nephew and a tremendous personality.
00:22:13.000Read his stories, I mean, he was just a magnanimous character.1.00
00:22:16.000And if this person and you read his writings represents to me the best example of Islam, then it's like saying, Well, that's good, and there's a lot of bad Muslims.
00:22:26.000But if you, you know, it's like saying, Well, there's a lot of bad Christians, but if you read, you know, the teachings of Christ, you get it like that's that's a beautiful example of how to live, right?1.00
00:22:50.000I mean, it's like, no, you look at the original text, you look at the original personalities, you look at their behavior and what they were modeling at their time.0.65
00:22:58.000And that's what we, I think, that's what religion is about is looking at the examples and the paths and just weighing what feels like a beautiful path.
00:23:07.000And so, I think that the prayer in Islam, if you pray five times a day to the Creator, Allah, I think, you know, in Aramaic, it would have been Allah, which is what Christ prayed to.
00:23:17.000And people say, Allah, some alien God.
00:23:42.000Listen, I'm making all sorts of, like, New content in a way, I want you to understand and appreciate the nature of Christ in a different way.
00:23:50.000Not the Christ that you met even through your church, particularly if you had a negative experience of church or through the culture.
00:23:55.000I mean, it's not South Park Jesus that I'm talking about.1.00
00:24:00.000I'm talking about a potent, psychedelic, ever-present Christ elevating your consciousness present with you now.0.93
00:24:05.000I'm talking about a death of your false, constructed self, your shame-based, fear-based identity, and the resurrection of a living, live, light-filled Christ within you.
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00:25:11.000Hey, so when I was like recently doing a bunch of publicity for my book, I feel like, I mean, I guess people in an interview situation, conflict is a that's what gets clicks is conflict.
00:25:26.000And that's if you look at it on a superficial level.
00:25:30.000But Maybe at a deeper level, there's an appetite to attack and condemn and break down anything that's sort of generally seen as optimistic.
00:25:39.000Because, say, like what we've talked about in this first 20 minutes of our chat, you've already said, be open hearted, be loving, respect the sovereignty of individuals.
00:25:48.000There's a way to God if you can access that God.
00:25:50.000You know, and I bet that you, like me, believe that the institutions of power pose as neutral and justify their power, usually through projects and claims that they will help you and support you and keep you safe.
00:26:05.000Possibly masks the darkest, most disgusting power there is, and that that power definitely presents through the organs and instruments of that state, whether they are media institutions or bureaucracies.
00:26:17.000Their sort of primary function, it seems to me, is to kind of churn through goodwill and to instantiate a kind of demonic dread absolutely everywhere.
00:26:27.000Certainly, that's my experience of dealing with it, and in dealing with it, I find myself pretty exhausted.0.99
00:26:32.000Because, say, for example, when Piers Morgan, I went on there recently, and he was His main drive, one of them seemed to be like, You're a hypocrite.0.80
00:26:41.000And when I was looking back and trying in real time to sort of go, You know, how do you go from doing a bunch of acid as a teenager, being in Hollywood and being a hedonist, being in recovery for 23 years, then finding Jesus?0.92
00:26:55.000To me, it makes sort of total, complete, linear sense.
00:26:59.000Like, I'm doing one thing, I'm pursuing one thread the whole time of like, What is the truth?
00:27:11.000Come this way for the drugs, come this way for the money, come this way for the sex.
00:27:15.000And like, even just like when I'm like, know that you've, you know, explored Islam and been Muslim, explored Freemasonry, which I saw you talk about on your recent interview with Tucker.
00:27:27.000You're obviously like me, you're a seeker and you're exploring and you're trying to find something.
00:27:30.000And I bet you've had crazy challenges coming from where you're coming from.
00:27:34.000So maybe can we cover a little bit of that in this bit of our conversation, like in a sort of a tabloidy way?
00:27:39.000Because I worked with your dad one time, like.
00:27:42.000And like, man, he was like, I went, I'll speak candidly, and if you don't want it in, I'll take it out.
00:27:48.000I went in his office, it stunk of weed, right?
00:27:51.000And, like, and like, he was like, he was, hey, Russell, come in.
00:27:55.000And, like, I think it was like that he had someone working for him.
00:29:16.000By the way, my dad admits he made a mistake by cutting Trump out of the Wall Street 2 film because it was a cameo moment that he's.
00:29:25.000You know, Gordon Gekko is supposed to see Trump at a like a tailor or a barbershop or something.
00:29:31.000And anyway, it was, he said it was a mistake to cut it out.
00:29:34.000But anyway, Trump aside, that's a whole other, that's a whole huge elephant in the room that everyone is addressing in their consciousness in their own ways.
00:29:45.000As far as my father, my father's, you know, he's a big personality.
00:29:50.000And so it was, you know, it was interesting.
00:29:53.000I didn't really, I didn't get along with him that much when I was, you know, really young.
00:31:05.000Played kind of like a dad role, like taking me to the movies, playing baseball.
00:31:08.000But, you know, it was very rare to get those just like that time together.
00:31:13.000And my dad was straight, you know, it's like, he told me later, he's like, I just wasn't interested in kids.
00:31:17.000It was like we bonded when I was out with him and his friends.
00:31:21.000I was at dinner conversation, you know, at the dinner table, listening to conversations about history, about politics, about things that he was interested in.
00:31:29.000And so that's when he and I connected more in my teen years.
00:31:32.000He'd take me to India and Tibet and Vietnam and Cambodia.
00:31:38.000And all of East Africa and Serbia and Kosovo right after the war in 2000.
00:31:44.000And so it was like we would bond based on travel, based on my interest in politics and into history, the CIA history, the deep state, that kind of stuff when I was a teenager.
00:31:56.000But again, I mean, also the fact is, my dad is not into the esoteric.
00:32:01.000It's very funny because I put him in my film, my first film, when I made my first film, Greystone Park.
00:32:06.000It was based on my experiences breaking into these haunted mental hospitals, right, up in upstate New York and Jersey.
00:33:14.000You did pretty good to get there, Sean, from my question that had all sorts of stuff about having to write a Apology letters to your dad and Donald Trump, and you ended up, you took us back to the garden and entering the realm of mind.
00:33:27.000And it's interesting because I spend a lot of my time in reflection of what is the prima materia that we are dealing with, and do we have access to it, the essence?
00:33:39.000But there is so much distraction, so much overstimulation.
00:33:44.000It's very, very difficult to even get people to see that.
00:33:47.000And then the idea that there might be universal and qualitative judgments that can be made, like there is truth.
00:33:54.000There is good that Christ was real, that Christ was real in the way that he said he was.
00:33:59.000And I suppose that what's, I'd like to get your take on this.
00:34:03.000Coming to Christ late in life, like me, via, I guess, broadly speaking, a countercultural perspective, even though you could say I'm in a lot of ways a cultural person, I've been in the culture, I've been in movies or whatever.
00:34:17.000But what I mean to say is that I grew up reading Noam Chomsky and watching Oliver Stone movies and dropping a bunch of acid and smoking.
00:34:27.000And pretending to be Jim Morrison and all of the things that someone around my age would do if you don't think, you know, I'm not going the slick way, I'm not good at sport at school and all of that kind of thing.
00:34:38.000And now to suddenly find myself in what in your country in particular and in mine to a degree, but in a different way, is sort of a paradigm of conformity to follow Christ as a member of a church.
00:34:56.000primarily presented as a revolutionary act isn't presented as you are a co-creator of reality with God when you accept him, when you die with him, you are a participant in his glory.
00:35:09.000Where I found myself now exhausted, weary, dashed against the rocks of the culture, battered and shipwrecked, broken and beaten by thousands of allegations and just exhaustion of it all is like how do we personally cultivate a spiritual connection that makes life livable You know, and actually fruitful and enjoyable.
00:35:30.000And then, how do we play this out when it comes to politics and power, Sean?
00:35:35.000Like, I no longer want to participate in a conversation that's about why wouldn't you vote for this political party or make this particular adjustment.
00:35:44.000I've reached the point where I truly believe that the answer lies in the very technology that threatens to imprison us, the technology that could be used to create centralized global imperialism.
00:36:00.000If you reverse the charge, and I think this is a key phrase, if the charge is no longer.
00:36:06.000Held by this synthesized power that is empire, the state, and the culture.
00:36:12.000Instead, the charge is coming from people, people yielding to the force and the source, the power of God Almighty.
00:36:20.000Then we can create new instruments.0.52
00:36:23.000But what, to return to sort of where we were at the start of our conversation, if a lot of people, you know, know that the Epstein files are real and contain vital information, that sort of would lead you to believe you can't really trust any of your leaders, let's say in a general way, MKUltra.
00:36:39.000Is real that the government have done things that are on record and verifiable that are abhorrent and disgusting and giving mental patients acid.0.79
00:36:47.000And God, given your Greystones experience, like one that just anecdotally, like, do you surely notice how often mentally ill people have archetypal reflection?
00:37:00.000Like, I've heard more than one, maybe as many as five mentally ill people say, There's a machine and the machine is above my head and it's measuring my.0.80
00:37:09.000Thoughts and they're influencing my thought.0.62
00:37:12.000Even the very idea, actually, of the tinfoil hat is a kind of like kind of makes sense when you think of what they did in MKUltra.
00:37:19.000They're trying to protect their thought, and then you learn that they were going into mental hospitals and doing experiments.
00:37:24.000Anyway, so what I'm saying really is, Sean, are you able to marshal your like?0.98
00:37:31.000I'd love to know more about that mental, you know, the mental hospital excursions, you lunatic.0.77
00:37:35.000But like, they weren't active mental hospitals, they were abandoned mental hospitals, but they were all abandoned.
00:37:51.000Like, so, but I suppose what I'm trying to say amidst all this is if we sort of have, if we are kind of to a significant degree awakened or aware at least that we can't trust power, whether we see that in, you know, MKUltra type terms or, well, it doesn't matter who you vote for, they still screw us over.
00:38:11.000They never, they never, Activate the policies that they campaign on.
00:38:16.000They said there weren't going to be another war.
00:38:21.000However, you want to carve it up, whether you see it as sort of like mundial or celestial, surely most people now recognize it's the system itself that needs to change.
00:38:33.000Do you think, therefore, that educating people through film has to become something more direct and more akin to activism?
00:38:47.000I mean, this is something that I felt since I was young, which is what drew me to wanting to be involved in media, whether some form of storytelling or interviews or whatnot.
00:38:58.000Even when it's been outside the mainstream, I've been in my own little niche for over a decade doing projects that I just felt were important.
00:39:06.000I felt, because I could see that we're in a psycho spiritual war, right?
00:39:11.000People talk about the spiritual war more now, but I felt it decades ago.
00:39:15.000And it's because it is the zeitgeist, right?
00:39:18.000As you're projecting stories, going back to what we were talking about with the energy of the music, the movies, the eras of like, you know, the pre, let's say the pre 1995 even, you know, eras, it was like, it was tend to be more family oriented, a little bit more.
00:39:33.000It was not as vulgar, not as crass, not as in your face, not as, I don't know, just pointed back then.
00:39:42.000And so I think that when you create media and create culture that is aspirational, that does lift up like agape, the soul, like this unconditional love that we're supposed to recognize with it, that we carry within ourselves.
00:41:13.000And so, towards this idea of like sovereignty, it's not sovereign saying, I am the king.
00:41:19.000It's saying, I'm a manifestation and emanation of the creator of the oneness.
00:41:23.000And so, the more I can tune into my intuition and recognize that, right, and feel that that oneness is working through me at all times, then hopefully I can trust and work more in alignment with that path, with the highest, with the highest path for the highest good.
00:42:14.000You know, because I've gone through many dark, you know, dark nights.
00:42:17.000I mean, it wasn't just exploring mental hospitals.
00:42:20.000It was all a reflection of my own journeys, you know, whether it was exploring the dark side, restoring the demonic realm, or exploring conspiracies, or exploring, you know, the film world and making films.
00:42:32.000It's like we're all ultimately, they say, we're being reflected back where we are, mirrored back where we are on the journey.
00:42:40.000And as you know, until you really get to that place of, Clarity and connection, you're going to find a lot of distress, a lot of heartbreak, a lot of, you know, dark thoughts, a lot of depression, a lot of potential suicide.
00:42:53.000And that's all mirroring where people are, the culture.
00:43:03.000So, do you feel as I do that even sort of our, thanks, Nikki, somewhat innocuous organizations like, gosh, maybe they're not all innocuous, like the BBC, like I can't.
00:43:17.000Of things like the BBC, if you're British and you grow up watching the sitcoms and the nature documentaries, you kind of feel like, well, the BBC, man, that's a kind of a good thing.
00:43:25.000And increasingly, you start to realize this is a dark, dark enterprise and a dark entity.
00:43:35.000Well, okay, let's go back to the origins of mind control and propaganda, right?
00:43:40.000It's like BBC was British intelligence from its birth.
00:43:43.000You know, it was really designed around the First World War.
00:43:46.000I think at the time it was the First World War, it was basically just radio, right?
00:43:50.000But the whole point was a propaganda instrument and the propaganda of a people, right?
00:43:55.000To want to go fight, you know, the.0.88
00:43:56.000The Hun, where the Germans were the, you know, even though they were, even though the British king and queen are Germans, the Germans were the monsters, right?0.61
00:44:12.000Wasn't he pretty protected by the BBC against all the accusations?
00:44:16.000It does look like, in retrospect, he was protected.
00:44:19.000He was friends with members of the royal family.
00:44:21.000And in fact, you start to notice that what you see in America with Epstein, Has British correlatives that have the kind of cultural inflections you would imagine with Britain.
00:44:34.000Like, you know, Geoffrey Epstein, say what you like about that guy, he had terrific teeth.
00:44:38.000A lot of the people that run British paedophile rings could do with a lot of dental work almost as a priority, even before you deal with the paedophilia problem.
00:45:10.000In my country, like the media instruments, man, there's some dark stuff going on.
00:45:14.000And obviously, I can't anymore be, I can't make a claim to be neutral about it because they're my sworn detested enemies because I'm in a battle with mainstream media.
00:45:25.000I'm in a situation that, you know, I have to be careful what I talk about, otherwise, I'll lose my bail.
00:45:32.000I believe that I'm in a media generated situation.
00:45:37.000And what seems all the more difficult about that is, you know, just yesterday, like we did a story on Channel 4, like one of the broadcasters involved in some of the material that was produced about me.
00:45:50.000Channel 4 did a show called Married at First Sight where they got people to just meet, get married, and have sex.
00:45:56.000And they sort of recalled the whole thing.
00:45:57.000And like two of the women on the show alleged that they were raped while making it.
00:46:01.000And Channel 4 were like, well, it's not our fault.
00:46:04.000And I, and I, like, Like you said about the BBC, they were a propaganda instrument set up to control the minds of the population during the war.
00:46:13.000People almost hear a sentence like that and see it as conspiratorial.
00:46:17.000People don't know about the Trusted News Initiative that most of the instruments of US and UK news and even global news are part of an affiliation that have said publicly that their opponent now is not one another but independent news and that they have an explicit agenda to bring them down.
00:46:33.000Most people don't know that during the COVID period in your country and in mine, it was regarded primarily as a military exercise that they deployed.
00:46:40.000Deep state techniques and technologies.
00:46:42.000Like, what I was just thinking about the other day, mate, I was thinking all that COVID should have been is hey, there's this virus, and it seems like it, you know, maybe if you're really old, watch out.
00:46:55.000And then it should have been we got this injection, it might work, try it if you want.
00:47:02.000But anything that was not that, everything on top of that is propaganda.
00:47:08.000And no one even, it's only five years ago, Sean, no one's even like, oh, I can't be bothered about it.
00:48:20.000So we are living beings with an energetic connection to soul and to spirit.
00:48:24.000And so, you know, to get our health in order, which was, it should have been a priority.
00:48:28.000And, No, of course it wasn't in lockdown states.
00:48:32.000And still to this day, it's like people make fun of Maha and stuff like this.
00:48:35.000And it's like, why is it, why are we poo pooing the idea of actually having a healthy relationship with our bodies, a proactive relationship, a holistic relationship?
00:48:43.000Instead of, I go to the doctor, you know, this hurts.
00:48:48.000And then that causes side effects so that, you know, my kidneys fail.
00:48:51.000And then it's like, and then they give me that medication.
00:48:54.000And then, you know, my bowels have collapsed.
00:48:56.000I mean, it's just like you, they're looking at things so mechanistically as opposed to as a whole experience.
00:49:00.000Experience, right, of being alive and being healthy and engaging with life as a spiritual experience, not just a mechanistic experience.
00:49:09.000But that's obviously how the medical system is designed, right?
00:49:12.000It's been in America, it's the Rockefeller medicine for over 100 years for a reason, but the UK is the same modality.
00:49:21.000You know, you said then about, you said something that made me really think about the idea of synthesis that they're emulating.
00:49:28.000Yeah, that they're like the transhumanist movement is in creating life, creation itself.
00:49:33.000But it's so sort of clumsy and cubic and broken and mechanical.1.00
00:49:39.000Yeah, that's the word that you were using, and that is the correct one.
00:49:42.000It's a mechanical approach, the idea that purely materially you can construct life models.
00:49:47.000You can construct the appearance of life, but not life itself.
00:49:49.000And I guess, oh, yeah, the reason that coming to Christ later in life after a whole bunch of mystical experiences along the way, none of which are to my credit, all of them inflicted upon me by accident and happenstance, is that when I've actually read scripture, mate.
00:50:07.000And it says, the prince of this world is the evil one.
00:50:13.000He deals in counterfeits and synthesis.
00:50:17.000He creates synthetic realities that will hypnotize and dupe and control people.
00:51:12.000Steve Jobs is that guy was obviously a legit genius.
00:51:17.000A fella I worked with when I was making a TV show out in LA, Troy Miller, he worked on Arrested Development and a bunch of cool stuff and like a show that I was making.
00:51:25.000He said, when Steve Jobs died, I guess I must have been working with that guy, and he said, Steve Jobs was our Beatles.
00:51:32.000What a cool reference because like the Beatles of that generation are in even working in music, but is working in tech.
00:51:39.000That's an interesting way of looking at the way the culture adjusted.
00:51:43.000Now, when you sort of watch all three of those bits of biographical material, you get the idea that Steve Jobs had access, he got access to the Ultimate.
00:51:52.000But in Ram Das's book, Be Here Now, and this is in Gibney's documentary, there's this concept of the golden chain that Ram Das says that if you awaken but you maintain ego, you will manifest things somewhat darkly.
00:52:06.000And I think he's such a curious modern parable, Steve Jobs, because he adopted and isolated and alienated, created these devices of closed ecology, connection, and control, but ended up, in a sense, inflicting his solipsism back.
00:52:23.000Now they're looking at some more of these folks that, you know, the sort of technological oligarch class that are emerging.
00:52:30.000And I don't know too much about Larry Ellison or Peter Thiel or Elon Musk, but I remember watching, indeed, again, a sort of a Tucker interview with Sam Altman.
00:52:41.000And I thought that dude is like AI come to life.
00:53:05.000But anyway, I feel like that what's happening in this, the attempt to implement, where we're heading, I think, and I think a lot of people believe this, is the implementation of technological feudalism that's so far beyond what could have been achieved in the 20th century, the industrial version of.
00:54:48.000One, you haven't seen The Pirates of Silicon Valley because that was a great HBO film done around 2000, and it exposes Bill Gates for being the little Weasley, you know, villain that he is and exposed him in that film.0.99
00:55:28.000But no, Jobs was opening dimensions with, I think that's how they saw it, right?
00:55:32.000They saw the dimensional quality of consciousness.
00:55:35.000And that's what we're experiencing now.
00:55:36.000We're experiencing, as you know, a dimensional experience across space time, right?
00:55:42.000And it all takes place in the now, even wherever we are, even if I'm here in the room, but my mind is somewhere else, daydreaming or visualizing, it's all taking place in the now.
00:55:54.000So that's what makes consciousness so curious at this moment that we can really still choose which path, which adventure we want to go down.
00:56:01.000And I don't know if we're going to do it as a collective or not.
00:56:05.000There are people saying that there'll be a splitting, like a bifurcation almost of paths of those that choose to basically ascend into a more connected way of living, not technologically connected, but.
00:56:17.000Spiritually connected, and then technology will reflect that.
00:56:21.000And then those that descended in techno feudalism because essentially chosen a darker, more fear based path of control.
00:56:28.000The argument is that because of where we are, we are in this time frame entering the backdrop of the Aquarian age, right?
00:56:37.000Christ understood that his teachings were initially geared towards the Piscean age, but really it was more for the new heaven and new earth he was talking about, the new heaven and new earth being the Aquarian age.
00:56:51.000Okay, we have a new heaven, the Aquarian backdrop, right?
00:58:28.000That's not the reality that I believe in.
00:58:31.000In Scripture, there's a sheep v goats moment of, you know, there will be a choosing and a moment of discernment.0.57
00:58:41.000And also, you know, a lot of the prophetic writing in Scripture, I'm thinking at the moment of stuff in Daniel and stuff in Ezekiel, where it's depictions of encountering what sounds like a resurrected Christ and what Christians believe is a resurrected Christ.
00:58:58.000Telling them this is what the dimensional quality of reality is going to be.
00:59:01.000He's measuring stuff out and giving them information.
00:59:05.000Then in Revelation, you know, you get the sort of strong sense that we're going to be facing a choice.
00:59:13.000Now, another of the, along with the kind of iconoclasm that's been, that has defined our time, where as soon as someone is somewhat heroic, they are annihilated in the culture, even retrospectively, even, you know, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, whoever, you know, anyone that's held up as, oh, this is a good way of being a person, self sacrificing, flawed, but willing to, Fight and die for what you believe in.
00:59:38.000Those people are sort of bleached out.
00:59:41.000And what I was trying to get at with this depiction of a dystopia, which I also, you know, I like you, because the Christian perspective, of course, is it is one we fight not for victory, but from victory that somehow it's been resolved in the atemporal, on the eternal plane where you meet him, on the eternal plane where he comes in.0.84
01:00:02.000Oh, man, I'm going to tell you this because you're an out of your mind person who's spending their 20s in mental hospitals.0.67
01:00:46.000And I began to feel and see an interconnected net web mesh, but that multi dimensional honeycomb material that intersects with your personhood along the Kundalini line at the point of the chakras.
01:01:04.000Then, in that super state of potentiality, i.e., reality is ultimately indeterminate and can collapse into a wave of.
01:01:12.000Or, particle dependent on what you do as a co participant or co heir to cite Romans.
01:01:18.000We are creating reality with God in the moment.
01:01:21.000We are artists co creating with Him, kings co creating with Him, sons of God co creating with Him.
01:01:27.000I saw and felt at the level of the chakras, Sean, that if you were able to get down there with the bosons and leptons, with what passes for matter at the smallest observable level, You would find.
01:01:43.000The cross, you would find the cross in there.0.70
01:01:49.000It says his eternal qualities have been obvious since the dawn of time.
01:01:53.000It says something like that, being a Romans right, so you've got no excuse for not knowing.
01:01:56.000And it says his eternal power and his divine nature.
01:02:00.000Eternal power, the vertical beam of the cross I understand to mean the power and the source comes from outside of time, eternal outside of time.
01:02:10.000And the divine nature is when we act in that loving way that you keep returning to that, you know, to return to the innocence of love, To cast off, oh, I can't love people.
01:02:20.000I'm going to be hurt if I love people.
01:02:50.000I'm getting at receiving since coming to Christ information that's again, it doesn't negate the years I spent sort of going and meeting Amma in India and studying at the feet of gurus and dropping LSD and chanting mantra and all of that.
01:03:08.000It's like that, this is He is the ultimate God.
01:03:11.000He is the ultimate God, certainly when you're a human being, because He instantiates it, manifests it, incarnates it on this plane.
01:03:43.000So I feel like you're on this path with us.
01:03:48.000What I'm interested in now is how do I think that when cryptocurrency started happening, they realized.0.99
01:03:55.000Oh shit, we're in serious trouble.0.86
01:03:57.000They've got the ability to have decentralized financial transactions.1.00
01:04:01.000When independent media happened, I thought they realized, oh shit, we're not in control of information anymore.0.87
01:04:06.000We have the ability to control information in the same way that if they get control of centralized CBDs, excuse me, centralized currencies, they'll be able to shut down your bank account with a click.1.00
01:04:16.000But if we're off grid, they're fucked.0.76
01:04:19.000I reckon that what the arms race that I think we're in is when people start to deploy this politically, which is already happening to a degree, Trump did it through Twitter.0.98
01:04:31.000And Brexit, it happened through like, what would they call them?
01:04:35.000Cambridge Analytica and targeted Facebook advertising.
01:04:38.000And it's starting to happen mostly with populist nationalism across Europe and elsewhere.
01:04:45.000Is the centralized institutions can't control the political narrative anymore?
01:04:50.000Even cancellation, I'd be cancelled in any sensible world, but like, you know, the world's not like that no more.
01:04:55.000They can't do that, they can't do it anymore.
01:04:57.000So, what I'm saying is, isn't the natural step, Sean, for us to be more direct?
01:05:03.000When it comes to politics, either running for different forms of political office, proposing different political systems, finding causes that can naturally coalesce, one such being like agriculture.
01:05:15.000It's interesting you mentioned Mahara.
01:05:17.000I hang with those a lot when I can and do my best to support them because, yeah, like you, I agree that the body and food, by their nature, that's factory setting stuff.
01:05:28.000We shouldn't be killing each other over bodies and food and pharma.
01:05:33.000We should all be able to come to some sort of consensus around that.
01:05:37.000Do you think that some of our ideas align and that we could participate in popularizing ideas that are about kind of direct action and direct democracy?
01:06:01.000Don't let the majority tell you what to do.
01:06:03.000The beauty of the republic is that we protect the minority, right?0.65
01:06:06.000Because usually, as we know, the The vanguard, you know, it's the elite, the thinkers, the real people that can see and visualize and see what's coming.
01:06:17.000They're a vanguard, they're a smaller group.
01:06:20.000And so, how to then, you know, the real question is it's energy, right?
01:06:24.000Going back to like what connects all these different dimensions we're speaking of, from the spiritual realm to the oil being pulled out from the earth to the currency that flows.
01:06:54.000So I think that as we become more attuned to this, to this nature of our reality, which is an energetic reality, not of letting go of the physical, idea of the physical and expectation of a physical, coming back to the energy experience of it, we will be guided, each of us, on our path of where to put our energy.
01:07:11.000And as you said, it can take the form of direct collective action or direct collective experience locally.
01:07:19.000It can take it globally, thankfully, because we are so.
01:07:21.000Connected through these devices and whatnot, we can align ourselves with people from around the world and create movements.
01:07:29.000But it does come back to, yes, the land right beneath our feet, the community that surrounds us.
01:07:39.000Again, these things will reveal themselves, I trust, as we start to really just follow our path.
01:07:45.000That's what I've experienced in my life.
01:07:46.000It was like I may have set off with one mission of like, this is the way I'm going.
01:07:50.000And the universe is saying, nope, we want you to over here now.
01:07:58.000And it's difficult, you know, again, because we think big picture, we think we can plan it out and strategize it.
01:08:05.000But as you know, it's the organic nature of these movements, of these transitions that we have to allow them to flourish and to blossom and trust again, trusting the plan.
01:08:14.000People hate that, trusting the plan, but that's all we've got.
01:08:18.000You know, we can't, it's just, it's the strategizing, the planning, all that will fall away if it's not God's plan.
01:08:24.000And so, yeah, going back to the issue of energy, it's like currency is being a big problem of holding up.
01:08:30.000Ingenuity, if you think about it, is you know how much ingenuity is available, how much energy is here.
01:08:34.000We've got billions of people on this planet.
01:08:37.000If we had the if we were allowing the flow of energy to more directly reflect the innovation, the ideas, if we were able to go directly out to people and say, hey, this is this is the vision, and people start to gather and magnetize, that's the beauty of you know of these energy flows, right?
01:08:55.000Is that when we have an idea, when we go with an impulse, people start to attract to it.
01:09:00.000We trust that the energy will flow, hopefully.
01:09:02.000New systems can be born that allow for more of a flow of energy as opposed to a debt based system that we currently live under.
01:09:09.000This is a big problem, I think, with the overall modality.
01:09:14.000John Perkins, who I interviewed for one of my documentaries, talked about the death economy.
01:09:19.000So much of our energy has been put towards scarcity or control of resources, limited resources, as opposed to the alchemical vision that energy can transform everything, that we don't have to be limited by scarcity, that actually we have an abundant.
01:09:36.000We have an infinite yet bounded universe, let's say.
01:09:41.000And if we just put more intention toward it, we can have everyone live with some level of abundance.
01:09:50.000Let's say everyone can live with abundance.
01:09:51.000There's no reason for people to be dying of hunger, let's say, in a world where we have this much food being thrown out into the garbage or going to waste somewhere.
01:10:03.000So we have the abundance, we have the wealth, we have.
01:10:07.000Everything, it's just not being deployed properly.
01:10:09.000And if we, as humans, try to map it too much and chart it too much, I think we'll get into trouble.
01:10:14.000But if we can trust that each of us has our path and we're just guided where we're meant to be, trust the divine, the greater power that manifested all of this, that created all of this life that's so far beyond any of our understanding.
01:10:27.000If we can trust that and just follow each of us our own path, our own intuition, it will unfold the way it's meant to.
01:10:34.000And ideally, for our best, highest evolution of self, of soul through this incarnation.
01:10:40.000Because that's ultimately my ultimate feeling is like, as much as we care about our incarnations here, because we're emotionally invested in it, it's also not permanent.
01:10:50.000And so we can't attach too much to it.
01:10:52.000It is ultimately a kind of game where we think we know better or should do better.
01:10:58.000But again, trusting the creator, it's designed really for our own evolution as souls.
01:13:04.000But the point is that most of the information, when it comes to these organizations and the teachings, they're already out there in the public.
01:13:11.000They're already being projected to us through stories.
01:13:15.000And so my path was really just, I think, it was like a weighing of my soul kind of moment of saying, Are you following the light path or the dark path?
01:13:23.000And once they discerned who I was, it was like, That's when, as I said in the Tucker thing, like I got these phone calls from 666 666 6666 numbers, and it was like demonic voices.
01:13:35.000But I was having the same time I was going to haunted mental hospitals and seeing, you know, and basically seeing people get possessed by demons.
01:15:34.000It was something about like the Grove, and I couldn't, maybe Bohemian Grove, I don't know, but it was like, Communicating for like a few, like a minute or a minute and a half, and I couldn't understand it was so garbled.
01:15:45.000But the only thing I caught was the first line Are you a sorcerer?
01:16:53.000So maybe come out here or something and we'll do some crazy stuff.
01:16:59.000We'll work on some innovative ways of communicating complex truths in ways that people will find accessible so that it will encourage them to repent and turn away from the fallen counterfeit world and open themselves to the eternal light that's available to them that will turn them into revolutionary earthly archangels.
01:18:04.000The next day, I interview him and he goes, we got to get rid of eating hamburgers because cattle are creating climate change and blah, blah, blah.
01:18:12.000I'm like, dude, I just saw you eat a burger last night.
01:18:15.000And you're out here preaching about, you know, get rid of the cows for, you know, for.1.00
01:18:47.000But the whole fixation of the climate cult, as you know, a lot of that is designed for the New World Order type of global control that they can tell you oh, you've exceeded your mileage on your Amazon purchases.
01:19:16.000I mean, through the COVID, it's such an amazing window because you can go, oh, I see what they do is they work out what they need to do and then reverse engineer what would be required in order to do it.
01:19:31.000If what they need is global authority, if what they need is authority without killing people in the streets, They can say, well, you know, in order to protect you.
01:19:40.000But there will always be sort of the thumbprints all over it because if preservation of life were their goal, they would not behave in the way they do in almost every other area of policy.
01:19:53.000So something like climate change is, yeah, as you say, it legitimizes all manner of controls.
01:19:59.000You know, in the UK, they withdrew it quickly.
01:20:01.000They started to produce snacks and like food items in stores that had 8% of your carbon intake, it would say on the thing.
01:20:11.000And then people started to post it, and it was like, whoa, whoa.