Stay Free - Russel Brand - Satish Kumar (Radical Love)

00:00:00.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:00:02.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:00:03.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:00:04.000 Wherever you're watching us now, the full show is available only on Rumble.

00:00:08.000 That means, Gareth, producer of the show, we've got to get as much into this first 10 minutes.

00:00:14.000 Let's go.

00:00:15.000 Before community guidelines kick in, before free speech collapses, before we lose the ability to unite people from across the political spectrum and create new movements, new unity, new acceptance, a new vital political movement, which is surely what the world needs right now.

00:00:30.000 Biden's State of the Union speech maybe doesn't address the truth of America.

00:00:35.000 We'll be looking at that.

00:00:37.000 I've got a fantastic guest coming up, Satish Kumar, a genuine hero, an elder, a true Spiritual, potent voice that can provide the necessary sucker that we require at this time.

00:00:49.000 He's not a conspiracy theorist, is he?

00:00:52.000 That conspiracy theorist Satish Kumar when he was meeting those other conspiracy theorists like Martin Luther King Jr.

00:00:58.000 and Bertrand Russell.

00:01:00.000 Crackpots of the SDE.

00:01:02.000 If it's the time.

00:01:04.000 You've got to watch out for them.

00:01:06.000 But before we, because we're only going to be on Twitter and YouTube for a little while before we're

00:01:10.000 on Rumble and the Wild West, so I want to make sure that we get as much across as possible.

00:01:14.000 And do you know what I want to give people the chance to do? Everyone's worried about the energy crisis,

00:01:18.000 aren't they? Yep.

00:01:20.000 Fuel, for some reason, has become very, very expensive and costly, even

00:01:24.000 though the energy companies like Shell and BP are enjoying their most profitable

00:01:28.000 years in history, even though they still receive government

00:01:32.000 subsidies.

00:01:33.000 But we can't control that.

00:01:35.000 That system's beyond us.

00:01:36.000 It's beyond our reach.

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00:02:06.000 Hello Vladimir.

00:02:07.000 It's Rishi and Justin.

00:02:12.000 At least it can warm you.

00:02:14.000 We've got a fantastic quiz.

00:02:17.000 We're only going to give you the answer once we click over on to Rumble.

00:02:23.000 And it warms you up to watch him, oh, oh, oh, when he goes, Waddle me, oh, waddle me, oh.

00:02:28.000 On the phone.

00:02:29.000 At least it can warm you.

00:02:31.000 We've got a fantastic quiz.

00:02:32.000 We're only going to give you the answer once we click over onto Rumble.

00:02:36.000 Which country poses as liberal, but as a matter of fact, is a totalitarian type of place?

00:02:43.000 A mass formation you could say.

00:02:45.000 A mass formation because we've been discussing mass psyche and mass hypnosis over the course of the week.

00:02:51.000 We get guests on here that can give us unique insights into the reality behind the systems of domination within which most of us toil and grind.

00:03:00.000 But now it's our take on the State of the Union Address which is essentially just a propagandist piece isn't it? But like a lot of people think that it was

00:03:10.000 senseless fatica, sat's imitative information, no real political value to it, just an oratory

00:03:17.000 exercise with no real truth.

00:03:19.000 But I think it was pretty valuable and there was some pretty powerful rhetoric in there.

00:03:24.000 And make no mistake, if you try to increase the price of presidium jobs, I will veto it.

00:03:30.000 Make no mistake, if you try anything to raise the cost of presidium jobs, I will veto it.

00:03:36.000 Thank you.

00:03:37.000 Thank you.

00:03:39.000 Yeah!

00:03:39.000 That's moving!

00:03:41.000 That's the world we're living in!

00:03:44.000 Also, Joe Biden, I think he owes us all an apology for the way that he conducts his trivia quizzes.

00:03:52.000 Name me a world leader who changed places with Xi Jinping.

00:03:56.000 Name me one!

00:03:58.000 Name me one!

00:03:59.000 All right, mate.

00:04:00.000 Do you want to calm down?

00:04:02.000 Justin Trudeau?

00:04:05.000 Yeah, that's one.

00:04:06.000 Justin Trudeau, Richard Sunak, maybe, like, all of them, really.

00:04:10.000 What is that mood?

00:04:12.000 It's aggressive.

00:04:13.000 That's aggressive.

00:04:14.000 Name me one.

00:04:15.000 I don't like it when he does that.

00:04:17.000 I worry for him and I worry for us.

00:04:19.000 When he's, like, he might turn himself into chalk.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, because it was like it wasn't rhetorical.

00:04:25.000 It was like he actually wanted an answer.

00:04:27.000 Oh God, I can't fit.

00:04:28.000 Jesus, Joe, please calm down.

00:04:30.000 Let me check Hunter's laptop. 0.99

00:04:31.000 Oh no, where is that damn thing? 0.99

00:04:33.000 And there's this crazy lady, Marjorie Taylor Greene. 1.00

00:04:36.000 I bet loads of you like her. 0.99

00:04:38.000 But what I would say is that she shouldn't wear her buttons as a necklace in the same outfit.

00:04:44.000 The one thing he did not talk about was the one thing he should have talked about.

00:04:48.000 He should have apologized to America for the Chinese spy balloon. 0.92

00:04:52.000 Everyone loves that balloon. That balloon has really lit up the political scene because it's

00:04:57.000 the thing you do with a balloon. Power these days seems so diffuse, untenable, technocratic,

00:05:04.000 governed by a cadre, technological, inaccessible to most of us who don't understand the complexity

00:05:09.000 of the way that technology operates, manages demographics and data.

00:05:14.000 But like when something like old school, like there's a balloon floating in the air, you up there?

00:05:19.000 Like Joe Budden, he could deal with that with one of his angry fish shakes.

00:05:21.000 Get down there you varmint!

00:05:25.000 Shooting it straight out of the sky himself, couldn't he?

00:05:27.000 Yeah, he could.

00:05:28.000 One of the things that, of course, we are concerned about, and let me know what you think about this.

00:05:32.000 If you're watching this on Twitter, do a little tweet about it.

00:05:34.000 On YouTube, let me know in the comments.

00:05:35.000 On Rumble, let me know in the chat right now and we'll read it.

00:05:38.000 If you're a member of our Locals community, that's the stream that I'm watching right there. 0.92

00:05:42.000 For example, hello there, Ashela.

00:05:44.000 Yeah, it's a new hat.

00:05:45.000 Listen, we're not trying to bring down the government here.

00:05:46.000 Don't worry about people's hats.

00:05:48.000 That's not the issue.

00:05:48.000 What we're looking at is how the left have fetishised conflict with Russia in order to pursue a unipolar agenda and how the right potentially is looking at exacerbating the conflict that is already an economic one.

00:06:03.000 I suppose Joe Biden has imposed the most aggressive sanctions yet because of semiconductors.

00:06:08.000 There's a thing you've never heard of that now you have to learn.

00:06:11.000 There's semiconductor wars now.

00:06:12.000 Semiconductor wars?

00:06:13.000 That's what's happening now, yeah.

00:06:14.000 Get your hands off my semiconductor!

00:06:17.000 Yeah, this is how we're going to beat China apparently.

00:06:19.000 So I suppose this is what we're asking, is that even though the State of the Union address I'm sure was full of the usual platitudinous patriotic claptrap, are we being groomed and prepped for yet more global wars?

00:06:32.000 I mean, the one thing that was good about the proxy war with Russia, I thought, is it's not China.

00:06:38.000 Sure, sure.

00:06:40.000 And now it looks like we're heading that way.

00:06:42.000 We've already had that Germany say it's going to happen in two years. 0.58

00:06:44.000 Now we've got Biden saying we've got to beat China and that's the way to unite us.

00:06:48.000 Unite us in a war against an incredibly well-organised and powerful global entity.

00:06:55.000 In his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, President Biden took aim at China.

00:06:59.000 said that winning the competition, it's competition at this point, with Beijing should unite us 0.98

00:07:03.000 all.

00:07:04.000 It is, well at the moment they're saying competition aren't they?

00:07:06.000 But then you've got generals saying that there's a war coming and then you've got the thing

00:07:09.000 with the semi-contract, it is priming us towards aggression with China.

00:07:14.000 Is anybody in the financial industry saying that a war would be profitable?

00:07:19.000 That's something to watch out for.

00:07:21.000 Surely not.

00:07:22.000 White House-linked venture capital fund boasts China war would be great for business. 0.98

00:07:26.000 Now, we remember this, don't we?

00:07:27.000 Do you remember when like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, all them dudes told their shareholders we can guarantee profits in the next quarter because this war is going to be dragging on?

00:07:36.000 Yeah, war with Ukraine is good for business. 1.00

00:07:38.000 I think, let me know if you agree with me in the chat and the comments, that at this point, because of our ability to curate information from a wide variety of sources, if we truly watch the narratives that are usually suppressed, the ones that you won't see discussed on mainstream media, you We might be able to pre-empt where these conflicts are going and even when they might commence.

00:08:00.000 We're already into the sanctions stage, we're already into the condemnatory bombastic language phase, the economic opportunity of war, China encircled by what John Pilger called a noose of missile bases.

00:08:18.000 Yeah.

00:08:18.000 An arc.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, an arc and a noose.

00:08:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:21.000 I'd rather have an arc.

00:08:22.000 Sure.

00:08:22.000 Because an arc, there's positive connotations, like through an arc you pass into spiritual bliss and awakening.

00:08:27.000 Through a double arc, maybe even a little McDonald's, but a noose, nothing good comes out of that unless, I mean, I don't even want to get into that territory until we're in the Wild West that is around But this is why we shouldn't be tricked by this whole balloon stuff.

00:08:40.000 It's silly.

00:08:40.000 I know Marjorie Taylor Greene's kind of using it in a political sense, but it's silly.

00:08:45.000 It's the kind of perfect little symbol for a government who's trying to start wars and whatever way is they're going to war with China.

00:08:52.000 Because it's hollow, empty, full of hot air, but easy to identify.

00:08:57.000 I sometimes feel that news narratives require symbols.

00:08:57.000 Sure.

00:09:01.000 I'll handle this as carefully as I possibly can.

00:09:04.000 Part of the idea that coronavirus originated in a wet market, which still yet may be the truth because there are several theories being discussed and no conclusions have yet been offered, but the wet market was an evocative idea because it plays to the ordinary mistrust that Occidental people may have when contemplating Food sources, different cultural ideas and values.

00:09:30.000 When you start seeing the different... It's very basic and primal, the food people eat, the way people are, our atavistic suspicion of the other, of people that are from other communities. 0.61

00:09:42.000 These things transcend ethics and morality.

00:09:44.000 These are about anthropology.

00:09:46.000 Historically, the most likely way that an infectious disease arrives in your community is a stranger.

00:09:53.000 That's beyond morals and ethics.

00:09:55.000 That's not a reason to underwrite racism.

00:09:57.000 But when a narrative around it came from a wet market, you know that the subtext is they're different than us.

00:10:03.000 Something like a balloon, it provides a convenient symbol.

00:10:06.000 It's territorial.

00:10:07.000 The balloon is literally above America.

00:10:09.000 Increasingly likely now that it was a weather balloon, at least that's what they're saying.

00:10:13.000 You'll still see people say, oh no, they could have got down into the air force bases and fired off something from a nuclear fission factory.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, but even if that is the case, I mean literally when we're talking about this noose and this arc of military bases, perhaps giving the US a front row seat to spy on China.

00:10:29.000 And then a point that Caitlin Johnson made in one of her brilliant articles as usual this week was, Talking about Edward Snowden, the revelations around spying with that, it's like we get all in this frenzy about this balloon because it eventually leads us towards this narrative about war with China, but when revelations like Edward Snowden come out that America is spying on its own citizens, oh we bang him up and or let him flee off to Russia.

00:10:51.000 What are you more worried about?

00:10:53.000 A balloon or your own government spying on you?

00:10:56.000 Right now, who are you more afraid of?

00:10:58.000 China or your own government?

00:11:00.000 Now, your own government, remember, we are interested in presenting you with transcendent narratives and diagnostic tools.

00:11:07.000 For example, our problem with the Democrat Party isn't, oh, we really like the Republican Party, and we don't care which party you like.

00:11:14.000 It's irrelevant to us.

00:11:16.000 We think there needs to be a new populist unifying movement transcendent of those ideals.

00:11:22.000 When the Democrat Party were campaigning, they didn't say we're going to be waging a new war on drugs.

00:11:28.000 They talked about the horror of the opioid crisis.

00:11:30.000 But guess what's happening now?

00:11:33.000 They are amping up the war on drugs, as you can see from this story.

00:11:37.000 harsher penalties for fentanyl related substances.

00:11:40.000 Now if there's one aspect of the drug crisis and mental health crisis in America in the last few years,

00:11:46.000 it was the disgusting way the pharmaceutical industry induced that crisis.

00:11:52.000 The profits that were gleaned, and this seldom happens, is an area where I'm something of an expert.

00:11:58.000 I understand addiction and I understand what psychologically underwrites addiction.

00:12:02.000 Despair.

00:12:03.000 Pain.

00:12:04.000 Loss.

00:12:04.000 Disconnection.

00:12:05.000 Loneliness.

00:12:06.000 Total lack of trust in the system.

00:12:08.000 So to hear that the war on drugs is back but under the new auspices of liberalism shows you precisely and exactly how hollow this administration is.

00:12:20.000 As hollow and as empty as a balloon, Gareth, I would say.

00:12:23.000 Well, yeah, the thing with this is it's being talked about and I think it was in the State of the Union where Biden was talking about the trafficking element of this and that we're cracking down on the trafficking element and that's how we're going to solve the problem of the fentanyl issues.

00:12:33.000 But it's also that fentanyl, any fentanyl related cases, it's a schedule one drug now.

00:12:38.000 So it means that like people taking it, you know, so you're going to end up with the same situation where prisons are going to get filled up with more people.

00:12:46.000 Good for the prison industry.

00:12:46.000 It's exacerbating the problem.

00:12:47.000 Well, it could be, yeah.

00:12:48.000 Good for all those companies that use cheap prison labour.

00:12:51.000 Right, exactly, and the profits that occurred in relation to that.

00:12:55.000 And, you know, it's essentially creating a system and a problem that exists already and exacerbating it.

00:12:59.000 As our great mentor and elder George Carlin used to say, you don't need a conspiracy where interests converge.

00:13:07.000 Let me know what you think about that quote in the chat.

00:13:10.000 Let me know what your favourite George Carlin quote is.

00:13:13.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:13:15.000 See it first on Rumble.

00:13:16.000 Gareth, we've got our wonderful guest joining us now.

00:13:19.000 I'm very excited.

00:13:20.000 Yep.

00:13:21.000 Honoured, in fact, to introduce Satish Kumar, who, as well as being a former monk, I wonder how you get out of the monk game?

00:13:29.000 Is it like being a former gangster?

00:13:31.000 A lifelong activist, a significant figure, and I have argued consistently that were there to be a global council of elders, or even, you know, don't have to be global, Satish Kumar would be on it.

00:13:43.000 He's the founder of the Resurgence Trust, that's an educational charity that seeks to inform and inspire a just future for all.

00:13:49.000 He's the editor of the charity's change-making magazine, Resurgence Anecologist.

00:13:55.000 Satish Kumar entered first into public consciousness in 1962 when he walked 8,000 miles, a global pilgrimage, over two years.

00:14:04.000 He started at Mahatma Gandhi's grave and walked to Moscow, Paris, London and the United States where he met Martin Luther King Jr.

00:14:10.000 and I'm Very proud to call him a teacher.

00:14:14.000 Satish, thank you very much for joining us on Stay Free today.

00:14:18.000 Thank you for having me Russell.

00:14:21.000 Satish, you came to prominence in the 1960s where the counter-cultural movement genuinely seemed like it might change the world before it metastasized into kind of individualism and consumerism that is Still morphing into a tyrannical force, an entirely immersive force across our culture.

00:14:41.000 During the 60s when you came to prominence people spoke openly about the desire for peace.

00:14:46.000 In this time that appears to be defined by conflict of different kinds most Obviously, of course, literal war.

00:14:54.000 Do you feel that when there is conflicts that are necessary for the military-industrial complex, one of the most influential and powerful forces on this planet, while there is a war between Ukraine and Russia, when it feels like there are escalating tensions between the USA and China, that peace ought once again become part of our discourse.

00:15:12.000 What are your thoughts on these conflicts that are determining and defining our planet right now, sir?

00:15:17.000 Yes, a very good question.

00:15:20.000 I'm very saddened to see war in Ukraine.

00:15:25.000 And as you say, this industrial military complex, which is kind of benefiting maybe, perhaps, but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of ordinary people suffering and destruction.

00:15:39.000 So I think, but politicians have forgotten how to be a statesman.

00:15:47.000 The diplomats have forgotten how to practice diplomacy, and religious leaders on all sides have forgotten how to practice religion and love.

00:15:58.000 This is why I've written this book, Radical Love.

00:16:01.000 Radical love, Russell, is when you are able to love even those you don't like and you don't agree.

00:16:09.000 And this is where I think Putin and Biden and Rishi Sunak and Zelensky, they all need to read my book and practice radical love and sit down together.

00:16:20.000 And I have a good solution for Ukraine situation.

00:16:25.000 Well, would you tell us it, please?

00:16:26.000 Because, as you say, it's quite a terrible conflict.

00:16:29.000 Terrible conflict, and it's benefiting not anybody.

00:16:33.000 It's just, and it's leading towards possibly a third world war.

00:16:37.000 Because, I mean, what happened, America could not win in Vietnam.

00:16:42.000 America could not win in Afghanistan.

00:16:45.000 Russia could not win in Afghanistan.

00:16:47.000 Winning these days of war is impossible.

00:16:50.000 So it will go on destroying, and there's no win.

00:16:53.000 So what my solution for Ukraine is, being like Switzerland.

00:16:58.000 Swiss model where Switzerland did not go to First World War, did not go to Second World War, did not join NATO, did not join EU.

00:17:07.000 Independent, its own currency, its own system and a very neutral and trading with everybody.

00:17:14.000 So if Ukraine can say to Russia that there's no threat from you, from us, for you, there's no NATO, there's no EU, we are independent, we are neutral, like Switzerland, and Switzerland can be rich because they are neutral.

00:17:31.000 And Switzerland can be home for everybody.

00:17:34.000 International organizations.

00:17:35.000 It's the UN headquarters and many, many World Council of Churches.

00:17:40.000 Many international organizations go to Switzerland because it's neutral.

00:17:44.000 So Ukraine can be like Switzerland and be neutral and friend to Russia, friend to Europe, friend to everybody.

00:17:52.000 Have no enemy.

00:17:53.000 And I think Russia would like it.

00:17:56.000 Russia would say, yes, if you are neutral and not a member of NATO and not a member of EU and independent, trading with everybody, that's welcome.

00:18:03.000 It seems that eventually a solution of that type will have to be reached.

00:18:09.000 Currently, what appears to be driving the conflict is the set of interests that are most obviously going to benefit From the reconstruction of Ukraine, some of our investigations and investigations of others, which we have curated as part of our team, suggest that, and it's publicly understood, that BlackRock will be participating in the reconstruction of Ukraine.

00:18:36.000 Ukraine want to be 100% digital after this war.

00:18:40.000 And assurances that Ukraine could become a place of neutrality surely would make a difference, as well as providing, if there were anything like Switzerland, another potential venue for WEF to host their globalist events.

00:18:55.000 The problem, Satish, is that it feels like, in reality, the conflict between Ukraine and Russia is about A territorial and economic interests, not all of which are explicit.

00:19:10.000 And there is an attempt to reduce these conflicts to simple moral stories of Russian criminality and Putin's evil and radical love. 0.50

00:19:22.000 I suppose radical love is your book and you wrote it.

00:19:26.000 But for me, that suggests an acknowledgement Ultimately, of our fundamental humanism, of our fundamental shared goals, of our fundamental unity.

00:19:36.000 But those ideas are not profitable.

00:19:39.000 Yeah, but those ideas have to be made at least popular, if not profitable.

00:19:45.000 And profitability is not the everything.

00:19:48.000 Humanity is not just about money and profit.

00:19:51.000 Humanity is about relationship, friendship, love, poetry, music, art, families, all the many, many other important things which we need.

00:20:01.000 And therefore, if we end this idea that Russians are our enemies, Chinese are our enemies, And the separation.

00:20:11.000 We are one humanity.

00:20:13.000 We live on one planet Earth.

00:20:15.000 The whole cosmos is our country.

00:20:18.000 The entire planet is our home.

00:20:20.000 Nature is our nationality.

00:20:22.000 And love is our religion.

00:20:23.000 This is radical love.

00:20:24.000 Love is our religion.

00:20:25.000 Before we are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, we are humans.

00:20:30.000 And before we are Russians and Americans and Chinese, we are members of the planet Earth.

00:20:36.000 One planet home.

00:20:37.000 Unless you have this idea, this profitability, money, what has it led to us?

00:20:42.000 Global warming, climate change, wars, conflict, poverty, homelessness.

00:20:46.000 Even in America, this profitability of America's number one economy has not solved any human problems.

00:20:54.000 So realists have failed utterly.

00:20:57.000 Therefore, give idealists a chance.

00:20:59.000 And I'm an idealist.

00:21:01.000 And my radical love book is a book of idealism, but realism is in idealism.

00:21:09.000 These current conflicts, systems, methods and modalities are, as you say Satish, a denial of our fundamental spiritual nature.

00:21:20.000 I would agree.

00:21:22.000 I have heard it said that it is ludicrous to apply these external labels and it becomes clear when looking at a baby that there is something ridiculous in saying that a baby is Chinese or French, that you might as well say this baby is a Tottenham supporter.

00:21:41.000 A baby in its evident abundance and evident connection defies these external labels.

00:21:49.000 But increasingly we are governed in technological dictatorship, Satish, and I wonder what People are talking about artificial intelligence.

00:21:58.000 are on the dehumanizing effect of automation, surveillance, and systems of

00:22:04.000 control like social credit scores which appear to be increasingly discussed and

00:22:09.000 more likely to be introduced in the next few years.

00:22:12.000 You know people are talking about artificial intelligence.

00:22:16.000 I say to them that human intelligence is not used enough. We have so much

00:22:23.000 potential to use human intelligence.

00:22:25.000 Now they are saying that farming will be done without farmers.

00:22:32.000 Factories and workplaces will be run without workers.

00:22:35.000 So Humans don't need to produce anything. 0.79

00:22:39.000 They don't need to work.

00:22:40.000 They need to just consume.

00:22:42.000 Humans don't need to think because artificial intelligence will think for you.

00:22:47.000 So production will be made by factories.

00:22:49.000 Thinking will be done by artificial intelligence.

00:22:54.000 What is the place of humans?

00:22:55.000 Humans are irrelevant. 0.69

00:22:56.000 The only place of humans is to consume.

00:22:59.000 So we are no longer thinkers or activists, makers or artists.

00:23:04.000 We are just consumers.

00:23:06.000 And this is a nightmare, Russell.

00:23:07.000 This is a nightmare.

00:23:09.000 I would say technology should be in the service of humanity.

00:23:13.000 Technology should be a tool to help humans, not replace humans.

00:23:18.000 Not replace human thinking, but aid human thinking.

00:23:22.000 So technology as a servant of humanity is good.

00:23:26.000 Technology as a master of humanity and replacing humanity is a disastrous and bad technology.

00:23:33.000 So I want to challenge all the digital dictators that what are you doing is anti-human and anti-nature.

00:23:42.000 It's very beautiful and it reminds me of the analysis of the ego, that the ego is a good servant but a terrible master, that when the persona, the set of ideas with which we most strongly identify dominate us, our lives become more materialistic, more wedded to transitory and ultimately temporal things.

00:24:06.000 It's interesting that you say that.

00:24:09.000 Satish, how can we ...immediately access a new connection.

00:24:16.000 What ought we do?

00:24:18.000 Ultimately, this is what I'm mindful of and this is what gives me most hope.

00:24:23.000 When we talk about geopolitical ideas, powerful institutions, the march of globalism, corporatism, the military-industrial complex, the vast power of the technological state to spy on us and manipulate us, I sometimes feel a sense of despair.

00:24:36.000 What can we do to reclaim our humanity today?

00:24:39.000 What can we do to reclaim our connection to our own spirit right now?

00:24:43.000 How do you practice this in your own life with a man who has an understanding of these traditions and has lived these traditions?

00:24:49.000 So they are not traditions, they are living practical modalities.

00:24:54.000 What can we do right now, sir?

00:24:56.000 We have to build grassroots movement.

00:25:00.000 And you are doing good work in that.

00:25:03.000 We have to say that ignore these kind of big, decentralized and technological big organizations.

00:25:12.000 Small is beautiful.

00:25:13.000 Small and elegant and simple is beautiful.

00:25:17.000 So we should, at the grassroots level, people should come together and say we are going to live a human life.

00:25:23.000 Technology as a servant, but human life.

00:25:25.000 And we are going to take a Hippocratic oath, the Hippocratic oath like Dr. State, do no harm, do no harm to nature, do no harm to other people, and do no harm to yourself.

00:25:37.000 If all of us practice that non-violent Peaceful way of living, the Hippocratic oath, then that Hippocratic oath is oath to loyalty to nature and loyalty to humanity rather than loyalty to business and money and profit and governments and military.

00:25:56.000 Our loyalty has to shift at a grassroots level. 0.98

00:25:59.000 So let us create a movement of the hypocrite out. Everyone, you are a businessman or 0.99

00:26:06.000 woman or a politician or economist or a scientist, whoever you are, practice non-violence, 0.98

00:26:13.000 practice the hypocrite out, doing no harm. That is radical love. 0.96

00:26:18.000 It's very hard though Satish to live like that. It's very hard to live only in love. 1.00

00:26:24.000 All the great things are hard, Russell.

00:26:27.000 Climbing Mount Everest is hard.

00:26:29.000 Going around the world for two and a half years.

00:26:31.000 I went walking without any money for two and a half years through 15 countries and 8,000 miles, that was hard, but that was the real experience.

00:26:44.000 So let's not worry about hardness.

00:26:46.000 What is good, we must practice, even if it is hard.

00:26:48.000 And we will overcome our difficulties.

00:26:52.000 Martin Luther King, who I met, went to prison for 29 times in his 10 years in activism.

00:27:00.000 Nelson Mandela was in jail for 27 years.

00:27:04.000 Mahatma Gandhi was in prison for 12 years.

00:27:06.000 So they were hardworking, great visionaries.

00:27:10.000 So we don't need to worry about hardness and difficulty.

00:27:13.000 We have to do what the right thing to do, even though we have to sacrifice our some comfort,

00:27:19.000 but in the interest of humanity and planet, we have to build a grassroots movement.

00:27:24.000 It'd be no good if Gandhi had said, this is too hard going on this sort march.

00:27:30.000 It would have been no good if Martin Luther King had said, I can't do this million man march, it's too difficult.

00:27:35.000 If Malcolm X had said, standing up to the dominated culture is too difficult.

00:27:40.000 If Nelson Mandela said, I can't stay in this prison, it's too hard.

00:27:44.000 I'll do whatever you want.

00:27:45.000 What do I need to say?

00:27:46.000 You're right.

00:27:47.000 This is, I suppose, one of the challenges when you lose your connection to spirituality, which involves things like sacrifice, discipline, focus.

00:27:56.000 When everything becomes tethered to the external, when all of our personal validation, verification is externally sourced, we don't have the cojones no more.

00:28:06.000 We don't have the spiritual stones, the minerals to sort of go Right, I'm gonna suffer now.

00:28:11.000 I'm ready to suffer.

00:28:12.000 I don't like suffering Satish.

00:28:14.000 It's difficult, but I will do it now that you have commanded it on our show.

00:28:19.000 I think suffering will make us strong and resilient.

00:28:24.000 If you take a tree, A tree stands in the winter, in the snow, in the storm, out in the field as a stronger.

00:28:32.000 If you keep a tree in a greenhouse or in a conservatory all the time, the tree will not be strong.

00:28:38.000 So resilience comes when we suffer and we make sacrifice and I have suffered and made sacrifice in my life and I am much more strong for that.

00:28:48.000 So I would not worry about hardship.

00:28:51.000 What is the right thing to do?

00:28:52.000 We should do it.

00:28:53.000 And radical love, it's all about that.

00:28:56.000 When we practice radical love, then we are prepared to sacrifice because we depend on each other.

00:29:03.000 We become lovers.

00:29:05.000 We don't want to have lovers, but we become lovers.

00:29:09.000 And loving is hard.

00:29:11.000 Loving is hard.

00:29:11.000 You want to be loved.

00:29:13.000 You want somebody to love you.

00:29:14.000 But you don't want to love.

00:29:17.000 Loving is hard.

00:29:18.000 In loving you have to sacrifice your ego.

00:29:20.000 So we have to move from ego to eco.

00:29:23.000 Change one letter from G to C. Ego to eco.

00:29:28.000 And then You will become a lover, and that's a radical love.

00:29:32.000 I love you, Satish Kumar.

00:29:34.000 You're a very beautiful man.

00:29:35.000 Thank you for your time.

00:29:37.000 Satish's book, Radical Love, is available now.

00:29:39.000 There's a link in the description so you can get it.

00:29:41.000 Satish, I want you to come to Community this year, in the middle of July. 1.00

00:29:45.000 Our live festival with Wim Hof, with Vandana Shiva, so people can come together and practice and live these ideas.

00:29:51.000 If you want to join me, I'll be there.

00:29:52.000 You should see me.

00:29:53.000 I'm around everyone, like Willy Wonka.

00:29:55.000 I'm on it.

00:29:56.000 Come there.

00:29:57.000 Satish, will you come?

00:29:58.000 Will you be free, do you think, to come and join us?

00:30:00.000 Yes, I would love to come.

00:30:01.000 Yes, yes, I will look in my diary, but I think I am free, and I would love to come.

00:30:06.000 That sounds like an excuse.

00:30:08.000 Change one letter of the word diary, and it's dairy, and down the dairy, you've got to do what I say.

00:30:14.000 Okay, okay, I will do what you say.

00:30:17.000 I love you, Russell, and this is a radical love.

00:30:21.000 Radical love you too.

00:30:23.000 Satish Kumar.

00:30:24.000 Radical love is to love without expectations, without criticism, without kind of complaining, without expectation.

00:30:32.000 Drop all expectations and love and then through participation you change.

00:30:42.000 Ukraine and wars and all these things, confrontation, you can change that by love.

00:30:48.000 Putin has to be loved.

00:30:49.000 Only through love you can transform Putin.

00:30:52.000 Only through love you can transform Biden.

00:30:54.000 I know you're right.

00:30:55.000 I know you're right.

00:30:55.000 I know that if Gandhi, Malcolm X, if they were around, they'd be like, we're going there.

00:30:59.000 We'll saw it out.

00:31:00.000 We're going to cuddle that.

00:31:02.000 We'll cuddle some sense into him.

00:31:04.000 We'll cuddle some sense into a lot of them.

00:31:06.000 One of his own old phones.

00:31:08.000 Yeah, call him up on one of his old little Putin yellow phones.

00:31:12.000 Satish, thank you so much for joining us.

00:31:13.000 Thank you for your time.

00:31:14.000 We will speak again soon.

00:31:15.000 My pleasure.

00:31:16.000 My pleasure.

00:31:17.000 Thank you for having me.

00:31:18.000 Thank you, sir.

00:31:19.000 I love you.

00:31:19.000 Thank you very much.

00:31:20.000 Thank you.

00:31:21.000 Satish Kumar there.

00:31:22.000 Potential guest for Community, our annual festival where we come together to realise these things.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, the bit where he said, when you love people, you don't have any expectations.

00:31:32.000 I think what he was saying is, I ain't coming.

00:31:34.000 I'm not definitely coming.

00:31:35.000 You can't tie me down.

00:31:36.000 Satish Kumar.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, I just don't want a bad vibe in the interview.

00:31:40.000 It was lovely though, wasn't it?

00:31:41.000 Really nice.

00:31:42.000 Gave us a nice telling off towards the end.

00:31:43.000 It all points to localism, doesn't it?

00:31:45.000 And independence.

00:31:46.000 Everything you write about that.

00:31:47.000 It does.

00:31:47.000 Localism and democracy.

00:31:48.000 That's basically what he's saying.

00:31:49.000 A lot of these people, they were ahead of the game.

00:31:51.000 They got co-opted, that movement.

00:31:52.000 Helena Norberg, Hodge, Vandana Shiva.

00:31:54.000 You should eat food that grows where you are, meet your needs wherever you can.

00:31:58.000 Gandhi even said that communities should be independent where possible.

00:32:03.000 All these systems of aggregation, I think are about siphoning off profit.

00:32:07.000 Once you create agriculture, of course you meet loads of food needs, but we all know about food wastage.

00:32:12.000 We all know how so many needs go unmet, possibly with the technology we have.

00:32:16.000 Well, there's an essay that I've got to read, actually.

00:32:19.000 Daniel Peterbeck's always telling me to read it.

00:32:21.000 Oscar Wilde's essay, The Soul of Man Under Socialism, that technology could be used to create Utopias, where we have more time for contemplation, art, and leisure.

00:32:30.000 That all of these tools and technologies, in fact, could be used to create a fairer world, but we'd have to change spiritually.

00:32:35.000 As long as the most powerful institutions and interests and almost systemic magnetism is directed towards selfish goals, as long as the emotional palette that it's drawn from is greed and selfishness, because a lot of that stuff can be distilled into it, it's unlikely that we'll create the utopias that are possible.

00:32:51.000 But what he was saying about things being hard as well, I thought it was really interesting, you know, that's what we've been given.

00:32:55.000 We've been given comfort and convenience over freedom.

00:32:59.000 That's essentially, that's the bargain that we've made.

00:33:02.000 We've entered into that and we kind of forget that we have, but it seems on the surface, all things are alright and we can get these things and, but that's what they've, that's what they've done.

00:33:10.000 It's a terrible bargain.

00:33:11.000 It's not a good bargain.

00:33:11.000 It's a terrible bargain that we have undertaken.

00:33:13.000 And so, you know, you get to a point where, like we were saying the other day about the pandemic and all these 30% of small businesses closing.

00:33:20.000 It doesn't actually work.

00:33:22.000 We kind of think it does because we've got this kind of supposed comfort and convenience that even in the pandemic, we could order this food that came in half an hour or whatever.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, I liked it.

00:33:32.000 Those businesses that were selling food were not local businesses.

00:33:36.000 No, they were not local businesses and the people delivering that food were not being paid fairly or correctly.

00:33:42.000 It's not right.

00:33:42.000 There is a cost.

00:33:43.000 One of our, we have a great guest on this show, I can't remember her name, that Amazon lady, James, do you remember her name?

00:33:48.000 She used to talk about the sort of invisible labour challenge.

00:33:53.000 Corrie Crider.

00:33:54.000 Yeah, Corrie Crider.

00:33:54.000 She was excellent.

00:33:55.000 She talked about the invisible costs of like big tech, how, in fact, we should get her on again soon, right?

00:34:01.000 Because she talked about like, You think of all these things as sort of frictionless.

00:34:04.000 Apple, Facebook, Google, Amazon.

00:34:07.000 But actually, there is labour going on.

00:34:09.000 There's people toiling down mines.

00:34:10.000 There's people working in warehouses.

00:34:12.000 You know, that's why it was good to have Christian Smalls on, wasn't it? 0.88

00:34:14.000 The leader of the Amazon movement from America.

00:34:17.000 Because ultimately, human beings are going to have to come together, and as you say, localise, collectivise, and that point of sacrifice you said the other day, that you would be willing to change your diet if you knew, or pay more, you know, if you can afford to.

00:34:31.000 If you know that it's fairly sourced, not in some bullshit kind of, you know, fair trade way.

00:34:36.000 I think people are at the point now where they see past the convenience of being able to have access to, you know, any food you want at any time of year, because they recognize that the costs that come with that, the cost to themselves, the cost to the people that make it, and I think people are at the point where they'd say, I'll have like a quarter of that stuff, as long as I know it's from local farmers, That people have been paid enough to do it.

00:34:59.000 And I really believe we're at a point where people would be willing to do that now.

00:35:03.000 Certainly enough people.

00:35:03.000 I do.

00:35:04.000 Certainly a significant number of people.

00:35:06.000 And we're talking to you.

00:35:08.000 It's you.

00:35:09.000 You can change.

00:35:09.000 We can change ourselves.

00:35:11.000 And I believe it was Rocky IV who said, if I can change and you can change, maybe the whole damn world can change. 0.86

00:35:15.000 And where did he say that? 0.97

00:35:17.000 Russia! 0.99

00:35:18.000 So let's hope for us all, damn it. 0.99

00:35:20.000 Sign up to our locals community. 0.98

00:35:22.000 Every week me and Gareth do a show, Stay Connected, where we answer your questions.

00:35:26.000 Also, if you're on locals, your comments I respond to, like Dawn One saying, be here meow.

00:35:31.000 Bit silly, I'll know that's someone else's name.

00:35:33.000 Love you, love you, Gareth and Russ, Jack Swiss, IE, me. 0.98

00:35:36.000 Don't be so dirty.

00:35:38.000 All you guys, we respond to you and we make a show where we show you what we get up to.

00:35:42.000 As well as weekly meditations.

00:35:44.000 I'm gonna do, you know, generally I'm gonna do it every week.

00:35:46.000 I'm gonna do a meditation with someone who needs one.

00:35:48.000 First, I'm gonna do my friend Mick the Ferret.

00:35:50.000 Now Mick the Ferret has just had a heart operation.

00:35:52.000 I'm gonna do a breathing exercise with him.

00:35:54.000 Then I'm gonna respond to people that are in the locals community,

00:35:56.000 say, oh, like, you know, I've just had my heart broken.

00:35:58.000 I'll be on a Zoom call with them and I'll do the meditation with them.

00:36:01.000 I'll go, right, come on, how are you feeling about your heartbreak?

00:36:03.000 Do a 10 minute meditation, then we'll release it.

00:36:04.000 What do you think about that, Gal?

00:36:06.000 This ferret, is it, it's got a name, has it?

00:36:06.000 Brilliant.

00:36:08.000 It's not a real ferret.

00:36:09.000 It's Mick the ferret.

00:36:10.000 He has ferrets.

00:36:11.000 Got it.

00:36:11.000 He's not a ferret.

00:36:12.000 He's not doing a meditation with a ferret.

00:36:13.000 I misunderstood.

00:36:14.000 Ferrets are, by their nature, jittery.

00:36:16.000 You can't ever get them to relax.

00:36:18.000 All they want to do is go kill a rabbit down a burrow.

00:36:18.000 It's impossible.

00:36:20.000 It's a niche meditation, I would say. 0.99

00:36:23.000 Okay, you're a predatory little rodent. 0.99

00:36:26.000 Go down that burrow. 1.00

00:36:28.000 See yourself getting the rabbit by its neck and draining the life out of it, you little bastard. 1.00

00:36:33.000 Sign up to our community. 1.00

00:36:34.000 We get weekly meditations just in the manner I've just described.

00:36:36.000 I meant to tell you that, people in production.

00:36:39.000 I had that idea, but I've told you now.

00:36:41.000 And my live stand-up special will be up there soon.

00:36:44.000 We're editing at the moment.

00:36:45.000 It's very funny, isn't it?

00:36:46.000 Yeah, lots of them.

00:36:47.000 Is it funny enough?

00:36:47.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:36:49.000 Could always want to be a bit more funny.

00:36:51.000 Some jokes for ferrets and stuff.

00:36:52.000 They'll love it.

00:36:54.000 Your new market.

00:36:55.000 Gotta get them little rodents rocking. 1.00

00:36:57.000 Are they rodents?

00:36:58.000 Is a ferret a rodent made their teeth keep growing?

00:36:58.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:36:58.000 Not sure.

00:37:00.000 I don't know what defines them anymore.

00:37:01.000 Okay, hey, that's it.

00:37:03.000 Join the community.

00:37:04.000 Join us tomorrow.

00:37:05.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

00:37:07.000 And until then, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - February 12, 2023

Satish Kumar (Radical Love)

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