Stay Free - Russel Brand - Second Minneapolis ICE shooting and the battle over the story— SF674

00:01:15.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand actually Russell Conspiracy Theory.

00:01:20.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:01:24.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:01:26.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with the Russell brand.

00:01:29.000 We are in the United States of America, specifically Florida, and we're talking about politics and culture in the United States with some people that I love very dearly.

00:01:38.000 They happen to be Jews.

00:01:40.000 They're not Jews, they're Christians.

00:01:42.000 There's Jake, he's over there.

00:01:44.000 He produces the show.

00:01:44.000 Right here.

00:01:45.000 There's Dave, who's over there.

00:01:47.000 He's likely to be a billionaire one day, so we're keeping a very close eye on his antics, okay?

00:01:51.000 Because he's a world power.

00:01:53.000 He's a one-man world power.

00:01:54.000 He's got his own podcast, shoot me straight.

00:01:56.000 Jake has albums available with every Christian musician he ever meets.

00:02:00.000 Also on the England, in the UK, is Joe McCann, one of the true greats.

00:02:11.000 You're right there, Joe.

00:02:12.000 I'm good, mate.

00:02:13.000 Yeah, I'm thinking about what we're going to get you to do.

00:02:13.000 How are you doing?

00:02:15.000 I was thinking about something that would be interesting for you to do, like a documentary or something like reporting that we could get Joe to do.

00:02:20.000 Like, I tell you what I like.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:22.000 Like, we say when Davos is on, and there's that guy on Rebel News who's from Australia, he's called Sam Ari something.

00:02:28.000 He's always going up to like, I don't know, Albert Baller or some sort of CEO and going, oh, mate, what's your saying, mate?

00:02:34.000 Listen, right.

00:02:34.000 Why did you send out the people?

00:02:36.000 Excuse me.

00:02:37.000 I'm trying to get to my meeting.

00:02:38.000 Would you mind?

00:02:38.000 No, mate, I just don't.

00:02:39.000 And he's like, it really ags him out and it's intimidating.

00:02:42.000 I like it.

00:02:42.000 It's good.

00:02:43.000 And we should do it.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, you could do that.

00:02:46.000 You could do that really good.

00:02:47.000 Got a lot going on in the UK.

00:02:49.000 Got to get ready for it.

00:02:50.000 Also, beloved Massey is with us.

00:02:52.000 Where are you right now, Massey?

00:02:53.000 Space Mountain.

00:02:54.000 In England, mate.

00:02:55.000 In England.

00:02:57.000 Okay, well. 0.63

00:02:57.000 Bloody hell. 0.63

00:02:58.000 All right, well, of course it is.

00:03:00.000 We're going to be talking about, we're going to be talking a bit about Minnesota.

00:03:04.000 We're going to be talking about unrest.

00:03:06.000 I'm going to talk about Alex Honold.

00:03:08.000 Oh, you're talking about that, are you, Jake?

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00:03:40.000 Any group of young men that can afford their own aeroplane and carry firearms in their crotches, they're friends of mine.

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00:03:51.000 Why don't we leap right away into this sort of contentious story?

00:03:54.000 Everywhere I go, people are telling me they're losing friends over this.

00:03:57.000 People are bickering and arguing over admittedly serious social unrest, predicted with eerie accuracy, some are saying, by Sam Tripoli, a guest on Rogan.

00:04:06.000 I might look at that to give myself a bit of an understanding of what's going on.

00:04:09.000 Remember, of course, a lot of my focus is on my beloved live work.

00:04:12.000 As much as I adore Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky, Claudio, the whole crew there for the great support they've given us.

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00:04:23.000 Got to go and see Crowder.

00:04:24.000 When are we going to go to Dallas?

00:04:26.000 We're gone.

00:04:27.000 We've got to go to Dallas because also I've got to go to that women's prison. 1.00

00:04:31.000 Not as a prisoner, because obviously, you know, although I may be.

00:04:35.000 No, like as a visitor, they've asked me to go to do some ministry in a women's prison.

00:04:39.000 You'll come, won't you, Dave?

00:04:40.000 Yeah.

00:04:42.000 And also, are you coming on Wednesday when we go to New York?

00:04:44.000 Why not?

00:04:45.000 What else you got to do?

00:04:45.000 Yeah, Dave, tell us.

00:04:46.000 I'm supposed to do a podcast on Wednesday.

00:04:48.000 Who with and why?

00:04:49.000 Eddie.

00:04:50.000 Me and Eddie.

00:04:50.000 Come with us.

00:04:52.000 What's wrong with you guys?

00:04:53.000 Tell Eddie Gallagher, former Navy SEAL, exonerated and acquitted after an ISIS member died in his custody.

00:05:01.000 There's a real being in ISIS.

00:05:02.000 Hey, come on, them's the rules, kids.

00:05:04.000 Tell him that I will fight him in the nudes.

00:05:08.000 Nude fighting.

00:05:09.000 That's my offer.

00:05:10.000 If you want to come and see me at a stand-up comedy event, yeah, I guess it's that.

00:05:15.000 It's me sort of working out what we do now.

00:05:17.000 Well, essentially, it's this.

00:05:18.000 The world's changing radically real fast.

00:05:22.000 Look, I'm telling you now, you're not going to make yourself happy buying stuff.

00:05:25.000 Or say if you might be thinking, I don't know, that your kids are going to go to college, or maybe you're thinking you're going to go to Disney World.

00:05:30.000 It's not going to work out.

00:05:31.000 The apocalypse is coming.

00:05:32.000 Get yourself together.

00:05:33.000 If you're not preparing yourself right now for global holy war, you're wasting your time.

00:05:38.000 And I feel sorry for our kids.

00:05:39.000 You know, it's like Everie's birthday, your oldest kid, and like you've got lovely sort of daughters that are, I don't know, 15, 17, that kind of age.

00:05:46.000 And like you think, well, I think, what are we preparing them for?

00:05:50.000 War.

00:05:51.000 That's what we're preparing for.

00:05:52.000 I'm not necessarily talking about armed conflicts, although that does seem, on the basis of the first story today, to be a significant part of it.

00:05:57.000 If you're a member of our locals community or our Rumble community, we love you.

00:06:01.000 We appreciate you.

00:06:03.000 Any money or time you invest in us is going to support us with these very significant trials I have coming up.

00:06:10.000 As you know, I've been accused of a variety of crimes, which I, I don't say strenuously deny, because I'm not straining.

00:06:15.000 I don't get a hemorrhoid, I just didn't do it. 0.86

00:06:16.000 So, you know, go to troll. 0.77

00:06:18.000 That'll all be proven.

00:06:20.000 I suppose that's the way the world works, isn't it?

00:06:22.000 Unless there's further corruption.

00:06:24.000 But who's to say?

00:06:25.000 It'll all work out.

00:06:26.000 I'm pretty sure of that.

00:06:27.000 Certainly, I believe in God.

00:06:28.000 So I'm pretty happy being sent wherever I've got to go.

00:06:31.000 Been spending a lot of time reading Joseph, Joseph cast down a pit.

00:06:36.000 Joseph, a little show off when he's a kid. 0.99

00:06:37.000 Joseph going around predicting things, telling people what's what, wound his brothers up, they fucked him down assistant to shut his mouth for a little while for him. 0.99

00:06:45.000 Then sold into slavery, initially to men, but ultimately to God. 0.99

00:06:47.000 Goes work at Potiphar's house, gets falsely accused of rape. 0.96

00:06:51.000 He gets coat after coat.

00:06:53.000 The kid first coat is adorned by the parent.

00:06:55.000 You cannot get your worldly identity from your earthly father.

00:07:00.000 You have to get your identity from God.

00:07:01.000 Doesn't matter what your parents can offer you.

00:07:03.000 The cloak is the identity.

00:07:05.000 It sort of stands for the idea of a mask, a persona.

00:07:08.000 In Jungian analysis, the persona, and indeed in the dictionary, persona means a sort of a kind of a performance.

00:07:14.000 So all of us have a persona.

00:07:16.000 It might be a Larry Vivid one or it might be a sort of a dre grab one, but it's a persona nonetheless because your true identity is in Christ.

00:07:24.000 Joseph serves as a proto-Christ going through various environments, being fashioned in his job and then in the prison till ultimately he becomes a significant political figure.

00:07:35.000 But they say that about the chosen people.

00:07:38.000 They're very good at getting higher to the Old Testament.

00:07:42.000 Daniel, Joseph, they're always getting in there, getting little jobs in high places.

00:07:46.000 Hey, there's no room for anti-Semitism.

00:07:48.000 There's no room for anti-anything.

00:07:50.000 There's only room for us to prepare for this war, which I don't think is going to be on religious lines really.

00:07:55.000 It's good versus evil.

00:07:56.000 So I suppose that's a kind of religion.

00:07:59.000 Of course, we will talk about that a little more later.

00:08:02.000 But first, let's get into what's going on in Minneapolis.

00:08:06.000 Probably, I'm guessing, because we're on Rumble, you all think that the ICE agent was in the right.

00:08:12.000 But if we were doing this somewhere else like MSNBC, everyone would be vehemently opposed.

00:08:16.000 So let's see if we can find out what the correct way to understand this complex, baffling, pullulating, ever-swarming, mad reality we're forced to live in is.

00:08:28.000 I want to start with the very first statement made by the Trump administration in the aftermath of this shooting.

00:08:33.000 It was a tweet by the Department of Homeland Security showing a firearm on what appears to be the seat of a car.

00:08:39.000 And the tweet reads, an individual approach U.S. Border Patrol officers with a 9mm semi-automatic handgun seen here.

00:08:47.000 You see the picture behind it there.

00:08:49.000 This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.

00:08:56.000 Now we have this new angle of the video.

00:08:58.000 As it begins, you see Pretty out there in the middle of the street.

00:09:02.000 He shows up right in this area here.

00:09:05.000 You start seeing him, and he is at one point using his camera.

00:09:09.000 There he is, right there.

00:09:10.000 And he's pointing to traffic, sort of waving traffic through.

00:09:14.000 At some moment here, you see that law enforcement approaches him and he backs away as they start moving up on him.

00:09:22.000 He is not trying to move toward them.

00:09:24.000 He's backing away.

00:09:25.000 Then you're going to see one of these officers approach a woman near him and really forcefully shove her to the ground right there.

00:09:33.000 And Pretty starts rushing over toward her. 1.00

00:09:35.000 Now they're both getting pepper sprayed at this point.

00:09:38.000 He gets grabbed and he's taken over to the ground here.

00:09:42.000 I'll point out this is about 15 seconds from when officers turned to him.

00:09:46.000 He's now on the ground.

00:09:48.000 They are on top of him.

00:09:49.000 Officers are all around.

00:09:50.000 He does not appear to have a weapon in his hand.

00:09:53.000 He doesn't brandish anything.

00:09:54.000 He doesn't seem to do anything.

00:09:56.000 And then all of a sudden you see one agent in the middle there.

00:09:59.000 Look, he turns away and that's when the shooting begins.

00:10:01.000 One shot followed by, in our analysis, nine other shots there.

00:10:05.000 We heard from Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino.

00:10:08.000 He was asked at what point Pretty brandished a weapon in all of this.

00:10:14.000 This was his answer.

00:10:16.000 Ali, this situation, again, is evolving.

00:10:20.000 This situation is under investigation.

00:10:23.000 Those facts will come to light.

00:10:26.000 This is important because an important detail because concealed carry is legal.

00:10:33.000 We know from local officials Pretty had a permit to carry a weapon and law enforcement analysts here on CNN have raised questions as to why the picture of this gun that DHS shared online was shown on the seat of a car and not in the scene where Pritty was shot.

00:10:49.000 Okay, so I suppose we might anticipate that people's traditional positions on gun ownership might alter and switch.

00:10:58.000 One of the things I'd like to ask you if you're watching us at home is, well, actually if you're watching us in the middle of the street, I actually don't mind about your location.

00:11:07.000 I've just not in a position to judge that.

00:11:09.000 That last Civil War you lot had, wasn't that kind of about secession?

00:11:14.000 Like some southern states wanted to secede for a number of reasons.

00:11:19.000 Inconveniently, it seems that slavery was a part of it.

00:11:23.000 But ultimately, don't you feel that rather than live in this continual tension of maintaining a union, decentralization is a political solution that's ultimately going to have to be embraced anyway.

00:11:36.000 Why don't you grant further autonomy to states and boroughs and cities?

00:11:40.000 Do people have a problem?

00:11:41.000 Why are we trying to hold everything together?

00:11:43.000 What do you think, Dave?

00:11:43.000 You're an American person.

00:11:48.000 Yes.

00:11:48.000 I mean, in general, yes.

00:11:51.000 You need to decentralize more, use tech to do that, right, being able to have everyone.

00:11:58.000 But there's some things you're going to have to have federally.

00:12:01.000 I mean, you're going to have to have a military.

00:12:03.000 Military.

00:12:05.000 Yeah.

00:12:05.000 You're going to have to have some things federally.

00:12:07.000 Yeah, let's minimize it though, don't you think?

00:12:09.000 Stop all this madness.

00:12:11.000 I mean, couldn't you have it?

00:12:12.000 Like, say if Minnesota went, we like immigrants, we want to have loads of them, and we want it illegal. 1.00

00:12:17.000 Just go, all right, then, just make sure they stay there and that you've got the resources to look after everyone because a lot of people in other states don't want any.

00:12:26.000 Why can't we maximize autonomy?

00:12:28.000 Why is the idea of the nation even being clung on to?

00:12:31.000 Who's benefiting from this obvious temporary idea of nation?

00:12:34.000 I know there's a biblical idea of nation, but nationhood is, I think, I mean, ain't the government meant to be on the shoulders of our Lord, Jake?

00:12:42.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's what's kind of happening, but people don't know whether it's okay to say, this is what I want to do, therefore I'm moving here.

00:12:50.000 You know, it's trying to get people to all agree, which I just don't think will ever happen.

00:12:56.000 It's not going to happen now because there's too many means for dispute and disagreement, and we live in a cultural climate.

00:13:01.000 There are wards, endless, seemingly endless conflict.

00:13:05.000 Here's a different perspective.

00:13:06.000 I mean, literally, on that incident that seems to demonstrate the presence of a firearm in the, I guess, in the fellow.

00:13:16.000 More of

00:13:55.000 these can one culture tolerate.

00:13:57.000 I mean, if you are an American and have been paying attention to the politics in your country for over half a century, 60 years specifically, you'll remember the assassinations that defined and divided your country in the 1960s.

00:14:10.000 I'm referring mostly to the murder of the Kennedy brothers and, of course, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King.

00:14:16.000 Think of the Zapuda film as it was known of JFK's assassination, presumably somewhat state-sponsored.

00:14:23.000 I think more and more people are understanding the reality behind that.

00:14:26.000 Think of how that was scrutinized.

00:14:28.000 Now, everything, there's everything, remember when it was first CCTV and like the footage went missing of the plane that hit the Pentagon?

00:14:36.000 Remember when it was just normalized as is being done currently in the UK, that facial recognition technology is going to be mass installed everywhere.

00:14:45.000 They're going to facilitate protests so they can get databases of more and more people on camera.

00:14:50.000 Now, like, and isn't like this one, there's so much for it.

00:14:54.000 I can't believe already after Good, you know, the Rene Good a week ago, we're in another, I don't even mean ICE versus protesters, though, of course, but also studying at a granular level footage as if somehow that might bring about some kind of obvious conclusion.

00:15:16.000 Because, I mean, I don't, you know, I've not been covering or observing this, but I know that this would be like everything.

00:15:22.000 There'll be some people who are just law enforcement officers have to do their job.

00:15:26.000 If they think their lives are at risk and that there's a firearm, they're entitled to use deadly force.

00:15:30.000 That's what they paid for.

00:15:31.000 And then other people, this is turning into a nazi police state.

00:15:35.000 And that's just going to happen, I think, endlessly now until, well, I'm not entirely sure.

00:15:41.000 And that's why I'm very interested to see that guest, Sam Tripoli, on Joe Rogan, who everyone said predicted with great accuracy.

00:15:47.000 Paul Schober, he's saying, what would be the motive if they knew body cams are on, cameras are everywhere?

00:15:54.000 What would be the plan?

00:15:55.000 You know, why would they do it?

00:15:57.000 Do you mean the law enforcement?

00:15:58.000 The law enforcement.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, what would be the motive to execute the guy on the ground surrounded by witnesses with body cams running?

00:16:06.000 I don't know, Paul, is the true answer.

00:16:08.000 Except everyone's emotions are running so high.

00:16:10.000 And I think in, gosh, I'm even thinking about like the low-level conflict situations I've been involved in in my life.

00:16:15.000 You're not really thinking straight.

00:16:17.000 What strikes me as pretty significant is people come to these endless incidents these days with a pre-existing perspective.

00:16:25.000 Like there are people that just want the perfect story of an ICE officer doing something utterly transgressive.

00:16:33.000 The best thing would be, if we were brainstorming it, can we get one to kill a pregnant woman like in broad daylight? 1.00

00:16:42.000 And then there's other people that want to see the worst example of a protester, a drug-addicted, crazy, sex-offending monster. 0.97

00:16:54.000 And there's such an appetite to impose these ideas on reality that reality itself, look, I mean, gosh, even when I say that, reality itself is fluxing and flexing under the freight of endless attention. 0.83

00:17:08.000 Attention is one of the components of consciousness.

00:17:11.000 The new technology we have means that time itself, another thing that's almost impossible to measure, atomic clocks aren't really super reliable.

00:17:21.000 What can be measured of velocity and entropy?

00:17:24.000 Those things refer to space and matter.

00:17:26.000 Time is a construct.

00:17:27.000 We're living in this peculiar, synthetic, eternal present.

00:17:32.000 Not the eternal present proposed by, you know, Buddha or Christ, seek thee first the kingdom of God.

00:17:39.000 No, a kind of synthetic facsimile simulacrum present.

00:17:45.000 So what I mean to say with all of those wonderful polysabic words there is that everyone's just imposing their own perspective on reality all the time en masse and that is not a sustainable model. 0.98

00:17:58.000 It's chaos.

00:17:59.000 And in chaos, elites benefit.

00:18:02.000 At the moment, the elites that benefit in are likely somewhat MAGA affiliated due to the results of your last election.

00:18:09.000 A minute ago, the elites that were benefiting were more associated with your classic Democrat neoliberal interest.

00:18:16.000 The fact though is this, whether you're a person who was out protesting George Floyd or a person that was out protesting COVID restrictions or you're a person protesting that lad Gino, whatever, the good-looking lad that killed the CEO, wherever you think you are on the political spectrum, it's all made up.

00:18:34.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:18:35.000 It's irrelevant.

00:18:36.000 And if you don't start to focus on your actual reality, your community, your life and your connection to God, you will be herded into the paddocks reserved for the chattel that you're behaving like.

00:18:50.000 That's my pretty blunt analysis on it.

00:18:53.000 All I can see Joe looks like he's warming up to say something.

00:18:58.000 And I think it's going to be insensitive, Joe.

00:19:00.000 I know you well enough to sort of it's going to be insensitive.

00:19:03.000 But before that insensitivity, here's Tim Waltz about whom Donald Trump once went, sorry not right about that guy.

00:19:09.000 Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank.

00:19:14.000 Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota. 0.51

00:19:18.000 Some of us, like me, Tim Waltz, were masturbating over that book about Anne Frank.

00:19:23.000 Just the very thought of it.

00:19:24.000 Someone up there in an attic in Amsterdam, so near all those tulips, clerks, windmills and natches.

00:19:31.000 I don't know, that got Colts Waltz hard, honey. 0.97

00:19:35.000 Now, where the hell are they selecting their sign readers from in Minneapolis?

00:19:42.000 Can we get a heterosexual sign signer in here? 0.98

00:19:46.000 Are all the deaf is lesbianism making people in Minnesota deaf? 1.00

00:19:51.000 Is there something going on with women's thighs that's ruining the ear canal? 1.00

00:19:56.000 Are they done muff diving themselves into deafness?

00:20:00.000 That's the real problem in Minneapolis.

00:20:03.000 And I want something done. 0.91

00:20:05.000 I want something done about deaf lesbians. 1.00

00:20:10.000 They've got rights as well.

00:20:12.000 I'm on their side.

00:20:13.000 Okay, let's have a quick look at her. 1.00

00:20:14.000 Let's have a look, check some more.

00:20:16.000 Before any investigation is done, you have the most powerful people in the federal government spinning stories and putting up pictures.

00:20:27.000 I projected that onto her.

00:20:29.000 She is damaged.

00:20:30.000 But what about what I think?

00:20:33.000 Never mind that.

00:20:34.000 It's mostly she's put a lot of heft into the facial expressions as well.

00:20:40.000 I think the sign language, a pure signer, you wouldn't have to rely on the face.

00:20:46.000 It would all be in the signs.

00:20:48.000 You know?

00:20:48.000 That's what you want, like Bruce Lee.

00:20:50.000 It'd be all in the signs.

00:20:52.000 You can't be all gurney your way through it like she's out of her nut on MDMA. 0.86

00:20:56.000 Pictures and unrelated people who we don't know anything about and a picture of a firearm to try and spin a narrative.

00:21:07.000 I think they should be forced to use signers that have strikingly different political views so that the signer, you can tell, sort of misleading him and taking him on a wild ride.

00:21:17.000 And I say this with some personal experience because one time I interviewed His Holiness the Dalai Lama in front of an audience of 15,000 people and I think the interpreter was misinterpreting me.

00:21:28.000 Certainly the Dalai Lama was getting very angry and all I was suggesting was a little smooch.

00:21:33.000 So if the Dalai Lama can't handle a little smooch in an interview, I don't know what's happening with the guy.

00:21:38.000 Now I think what the guy kept doing, I said to Dalai Lama when I interviewed him, I goes, what's it?

00:21:43.000 He had a glass right of a beverage in it.

00:21:44.000 I go, what you got in there?

00:21:46.000 Vodka?

00:21:46.000 And he went, ha, And drugs.

00:21:50.000 I thought he's right, old Dalai Lama.

00:21:52.000 Then he pulled my beard much too hard.

00:21:54.000 And it was a weird sensation to be in physical pain, then to look to the source of that pain.

00:21:54.000 It really, really hurt.

00:21:59.000 And it's like the world's most peaceful individual, the Dalai Lama.

00:22:03.000 So I know only too well that you cannot trust translators.

00:22:07.000 I'd like to say sorry to His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, and to that translator. 1.00

00:22:12.000 You know, if like, like when they're going like this, oh, Minneapolis, oh, Minnesota, it's too much.

00:22:19.000 They're overselling it.

00:22:20.000 It's like Jim Carey doing it.

00:22:22.000 It's supposed to help the communication.

00:22:23.000 I was reading some of the comments that were very offended by the jokes.

00:22:27.000 What last time he did this?

00:22:29.000 Yeah, it's how they're supposed to communicate.

00:22:30.000 Have you seen the guy do the national anthem?

00:22:33.000 Man, he was like real intense and he was, I can't remember that guy's name, but that was cool.

00:22:37.000 Is it offensive?

00:22:38.000 You're not meant to critique that.

00:22:39.000 It's not a performance.

00:22:40.000 It's like, is this like sort of like as if you're not being sensitive about the Paralympics?

00:22:45.000 Is this what I'm doing?

00:22:46.000 Since I've stopped caring.

00:22:47.000 That's what happens if you falsely accuse someone of rape.

00:22:50.000 They start thinking, it don't matter what you do, people are just going to say stuff. 1.00

00:22:53.000 I'm going to have some fun with this shit now. 0.99

00:22:56.000 I was offensive before. 0.99

00:22:58.000 Well, that's me trying my hardest to be nice.

00:23:02.000 Like, so now, look, look, look, I actually, I'm a follower of Christ Jesus and therefore know that absolute love is what we owe to each other because of our love to him, because of the grace he showed us.

00:23:16.000 But like, if you're like having to confront this sort of constant, giddy, saccharine piety, this excuse for a culture that we're operating in, you've got to laugh at it because there is no other proper response, set for probably suicide which i've also you know long considered but i've decided to get don't do it No, thank you.

00:23:38.000 I thought you only had it.

00:23:39.000 I thought he said, do it.

00:23:40.000 I've always said do it.

00:23:41.000 Don't do it.

00:23:42.000 Jake, I thought we were friends.

00:23:44.000 Stop doing pushing me over this.

00:23:47.000 Okay, oh, let's see.

00:23:48.000 Hey, Gotten, Joe, let's do your insensitive opinion. 0.97

00:23:51.000 Follow my homophobia. 0.86

00:23:53.000 I'm not homophobic.

00:23:54.000 I believe people should be who they are, you know.

00:23:57.000 On the sign language thing, mate, I think when they're using facial expressions, it's like putting a bit of emotion into something.

00:24:04.000 Like, you know, you can say something 10 different ways and it'll have a different meaning.

00:24:07.000 So I'd say that's what that is there.

00:24:10.000 Well, because she's sort of going, it ain't right that that lad's been shot at the protest, and she don't want that to come across like she's being sarcastic.

00:24:19.000 Exactly.

00:24:20.000 Right, yeah.

00:24:22.000 Okay, fair enough, fair enough. 1.00

00:24:24.000 All right, here's this Antifa person saying, get your fucking guns and stop these people. 0.99

00:24:28.000 So remember, no one's got a clear and distinct opinion, even on something that we saw as absolutely partisan, like gun ownership. 0.99

00:24:35.000 Remember, gun ownership.

00:24:37.000 Who's pro-gunnership?

00:24:38.000 Oh, well, you must be from the South. 0.99

00:24:40.000 You're from Alabama.

00:24:43.000 You're a redneck, aren't you? 0.90

00:24:44.000 You're out shooting and hee-hooring and moon shining and yee-hawring and questioning Barack Obama's certificate.

00:24:51.000 No, now you're again the gun ownership.

00:24:53.000 You're a sign language practitioner. 1.00

00:24:56.000 You're gay. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Now they're like, so what's going on? 0.89

00:25:00.000 No one's got any actual permanent principles.

00:25:02.000 You need someone outside of time.

00:25:04.000 Otherwise, you're just going to be, what's that thing, Jake?

00:25:06.000 You're always saying that one blown around on the breeze of everything.

00:25:08.000 Is that in James somewhere?

00:25:09.000 Yeah, getting tossed around by the wind.

00:25:12.000 Can't be getting tossed around by the wind.

00:25:14.000 Can't do it.

00:25:15.000 That's why you need to try reborns.

00:25:17.000 My name is Kyle.

00:25:18.000 I'm Antifa.

00:25:19.000 And there's so much rage in me that I've had to record this like 15 times trying to get the message out.

00:25:23.000 Well, you're probably not the right man for the job.

00:25:25.000 What you want is someone who's fast on their feet and can handle it, doing it selfish style.

00:25:31.000 Message out. 1.00

00:25:32.000 They fucked up. 0.99

00:25:34.000 Okay, go watch my other videos. 1.00

00:25:35.000 Doesn't matter if you're not here and you're not caught up. 0.99

00:25:37.000 You've missed the fucking fight. 1.00

00:25:38.000 But if you are, it's time to shoot up. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Boots on the ground. 1.00

00:25:42.000 Nicolet and fucking 26th. 0.99

00:25:45.000 My house is four blocks away. 1.00

00:25:47.000 Go again.

00:25:47.000 We're going to have to do that again.

00:25:48.000 No, you messed it up.

00:25:49.000 And also, if you're going to have them big earlobe things, wear the earring.

00:25:53.000 You can't ever remove them.

00:25:54.000 That's a lifelong commitment.

00:25:56.000 If you're going to have them big circle earrings in your earlobes, like that's it.

00:26:00.000 You're down for life.

00:26:01.000 There's no way out of them.

00:26:02.000 Otherwise, you've got to have that mad little bullseye hanging in the center of your lobe. 1.00

00:26:07.000 I would say, so it's pretty interesting, isn't it?

00:26:09.000 He's advocating for like this, get on the streets, let's have civil war. 0.63

00:26:12.000 You've got pals like that, Dave, have you?

00:26:14.000 I think it reminds me of like a picture that's Joe like coked up for like four days.

00:26:20.000 Like not far off, mate.

00:26:23.000 That's what it was like.

00:26:25.000 Yeah.

00:26:26.000 And that could just be, that wouldn't be like a merger in the street.

00:26:29.000 That'd just be, I'm not sure I've got the right change out of the garage.

00:26:33.000 I think, right, okay, man.

00:26:35.000 Let's go.

00:26:36.000 He didn't give us the right change.

00:26:38.000 Well, now Joe is a peaceful member.

00:26:41.000 Peace-loving.

00:26:42.000 Necessary member of our team.

00:26:45.000 We need over here in the United States for us to do our jobs well.

00:26:49.000 Ironically, this is an immigration issue. 0.96

00:26:51.000 We want Joe here in the United States of America, but because of the bloody ICE agents, because of bloody Homeland Security, we can't get him over because as you can see, Joe's as Mexican as all heck. 1.00

00:27:03.000 The guy's getting held up at every single one. 0.51

00:27:05.000 He is Celtic.

00:27:06.000 They're probably connected to the Aztec folks in some peculiar way.

00:27:09.000 Something's going on.

00:27:10.000 Let's see.

00:27:11.000 Let's have a look at the rest of this lad, actually.

00:27:12.000 I identify him.

00:27:13.000 Remember when I used to go and all protests and all that stuff?

00:27:15.000 Blocks away.

00:27:16.000 Anywhere between Franklin and Nicolette and 26th and Nicolet.

00:27:20.000 Show up ready to go.

00:27:23.000 Okay.

00:27:24.000 Not talking about peaceful protests anymore.

00:27:26.000 We're not talking about having polite conversations anymore. 1.00

00:27:30.000 I am talking specifically to my fucking followers. 0.99

00:27:33.000 This is everything I have fucking talked about. 0.99

00:27:35.000 And this is exactly what I said was going to happen. 0.98

00:27:42.000 I said, no, you've gone, you've lent in.

00:27:44.000 Too much.

00:27:44.000 It's too much.

00:27:45.000 He's like three of his followers.

00:27:48.000 Bless him.

00:27:50.000 I think he's probably a lovely person with kit on.

00:27:50.000 I pray for him.

00:27:52.000 Right, let's have a look at JD Vance saying about how to turn down the curse.

00:27:56.000 It's JD Vance, the presumed next president of the United States of America, over him or AOC or Gavin Newsom or one of them.

00:28:02.000 Maybe something crazy will happen.

00:28:03.000 Who knows?

00:28:03.000 But let's have a look what he's saying.

00:28:05.000 Now, I'm headed from here to Minneapolis, where we're going to talk with some of our ICE agents, talk with local officials about how we can turn down the chaos.

00:28:13.000 And my simple piece of advice to them is going to be: look, if you want to turn down the chaos in Minneapolis, stop fighting immigration enforcement and accept that we have to have a border in this country.

00:28:23.000 It's not that hard.

00:28:29.000 If you look all across our country, what's happened in Minneapolis is happening almost nowhere else in the United States of America.

00:28:36.000 And that's because whether it's in Texas or Tennessee, it's in red states, it's in blue cities, even within our country.

00:28:44.000 Most people are cooperating with the simple principle that we ought to be able to enforce our immigration laws and get illegal criminals the hell out of the United States of America. 0.64

00:28:52.000 It's really not that complicated.

00:28:54.000 But in a few...

00:28:56.000 What about the old right to protest, though?

00:28:58.000 I mean, that is just to offer a counter argument.

00:29:02.000 I mean, what would you say if it was saying you cared about what about them COVID marches when people weren't allowed to go in it?

00:29:07.000 You know, I don't know.

00:29:08.000 People should have the right to protest in a democracy.

00:29:10.000 I'll tell you what it is.

00:29:11.000 I think this is where there's a gridlock on both sides of this polar dualistic political reality, e.g., neoliberal, option one, Republican, neoliberal, option two, Democrat, is there is no reason to mass centralize the control, organization, and government of any territory anymore.

00:29:33.000 The principle should be devolution and central authority only where necessary.

00:29:38.000 There should be a conversation about that should start now.

00:29:40.000 Where do you want centralized authority?

00:29:41.000 Now, some people might say, that's already happened, Russell.

00:29:43.000 That's what federalism is.

00:29:44.000 That's what the United States is.

00:29:45.000 Well, obviously, it's not working.

00:29:47.000 Obviously, it needs to be re-evaluated because the communications have changed, the technology has changed, and our political reality no longer reflects our capacity.

00:29:57.000 And the changes that all of us talked about for a long time, if you listen to sort of Joe Rogan five, ten years ago, many of his podcasts, he was sort of foresaw that there would be problems born out of this communication.

00:30:11.000 Even if you note what happened to the record industry and the entertainment industry and the way it's reconfigured, the way that some of the most powerful organizations on earth didn't exist 10, 15 years ago, just economic, something that's measurable.

00:30:22.000 Like things that didn't exist 20 years ago are now the most powerful entities on earth.

00:30:27.000 So things are different now.

00:30:29.000 And if our power structures don't reflect that, there's going to be tension.

00:30:33.000 And this is that tension.

00:30:34.000 And we shouldn't be exchanging illusions.

00:30:37.000 We should be seeking to instantiate truth.

00:30:40.000 Before we come to the psalm selected by a producer, Jake, let's have a look at one such Joe Rogan guest, Sam Tripoli, talking about these, the likelihood of there being unrest and disputes and I guess even protests on the street as early as in 2023 when this clip is from.

00:30:56.000 We're in the Bolshevik war right now, bro.

00:30:58.000 And right now what's coming up is all the pride stuff is going to be.

00:31:02.000 Okay, so I had this woman come on my podcast. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Her name's Mel Kay.

00:31:05.000 She goes, I've been talking to some people in the intelligence and they go, this gay pride stuff is going away.

00:31:11.000 And the next thing you're going to see are immigration riots.

00:31:15.000 This is going to be right around the next election.

00:31:17.000 So hand to God, we do this episode.

00:31:19.000 Next day, Starbucks is like, we're banning all the pride stuff.

00:31:23.000 And now you start seeing these little, they're putting little breadcrumbs out, man.

00:31:27.000 Little breadcrumbs.

00:31:28.000 Oh, I saw this one thing in Chicago.

00:31:31.000 Oh, yeah, the illegal immigrants are upset about where they're staying. 1.00

00:31:35.000 And these illegal immigrants who speak no English are holding up perfectly written English signs saying we're tired of how we're being treated. 1.00

00:31:43.000 And now you're starting to see this over and over again.

00:31:46.000 Eric, so everyone's always like when all these Republican governors are like sending these immigrants all over the country.

00:31:53.000 Everyone's like, yeah, you're showing those Democrats, bro.

00:31:56.000 They're moving assets.

00:31:58.000 I know it sounds crazy, but that is 100%.

00:32:02.000 What do you mean they're moving assets?

00:32:03.000 What do you mean?

00:32:04.000 Dude, these guys coming into the country, bro? 1.00

00:32:07.000 Have you seen them?

00:32:08.000 A lot of them are Chinese and a lot of them are military people.

00:32:12.000 And I'm telling you, they're moving.

00:32:13.000 And this is what's going to be right around 2024 election.

00:32:17.000 Immigration riots, people going nuts. 0.96

00:32:20.000 And listen to this, and you'll start seeing all the little breadcrumbs.

00:32:25.000 I'm telling you, that's who they want you to buy.

00:32:27.000 You're buying it.

00:32:27.000 Oh, I thought they'd be like, they're moving assets, bro.

00:32:30.000 They're moving assets.

00:32:31.000 You mean like military people?

00:32:33.000 Dude, if you study the Bolshevik war, it is happening in real time.

00:32:37.000 100%.

00:32:38.000 But I just wanted to get that out to everybody because I'm trying to warn people, this is what's next.

00:32:44.000 I think he's done a good job of conveying that information, Sam Tripoli.

00:32:47.000 I've never seen him before.

00:32:48.000 I don't know who he is.

00:32:49.000 That was really beautifully told.

00:32:50.000 And also he used the word bro a lot and had a nice sort of attribute.

00:32:53.000 And I also like that he kept saying little breadcrumbs.

00:32:56.000 Little breadcrumbs.

00:32:58.000 Have you started saying bro, stuff like that?

00:33:00.000 What are some of the things?

00:33:00.000 I say a bit more than I used to.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 I'm praying for the day where we can comfortably use the N-word. 1.00

00:33:07.000 Now, before that, though, let's have a look at this psalm.

00:33:10.000 When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars which you have set in place, what is mankind that you are mindful of them?

00:33:18.000 Human beings that you care for them.

00:33:20.000 Why do you select this, Jake?

00:33:23.000 I think there is, that's the reminder.

00:33:26.000 He does care for us, that we are a part of this plan that he has, a story that he's unfolding.

00:33:33.000 So I think we can't just say humanity needs to just, you know, go away, but we have to find what is God's purpose for us.

00:33:41.000 It's definitely not just fighting and destroying each other.

00:33:45.000 It's very ugly and nihilistic to watch that.

00:33:48.000 Like when that guy had that green smoke coming out of him.

00:33:51.000 And actually thinking about it now, when I was going to protest, attending things like that when I was younger and on drugs, they were left-wing type protests.

00:34:01.000 And what motivated it for me was a sense that my life was being controlled by forces that didn't care about me and I didn't agree with and that they were injustice.

00:34:10.000 And I still basically feel the same way.

00:34:14.000 And I wonder then, should you think we should have...

00:34:17.000 Problem is, it's quite funny saying stuff like that about the sign language lady, but perhaps we should just be really nice and compassionate all the time and really try our best to understand the perspective of people that we strongly disagree with and try and find the good in...

00:34:33.000 What we could probably agree with is, all right, you people in Minnesota there, you're super compassionate about vulnerable people.

00:34:40.000 That's a wonderful attribute to really care about vulnerable people who can't protect themselves.

00:34:48.000 I really, that's a very strong Christian value.

00:34:51.000 It's beautiful that you believe that.

00:34:54.000 That's kind of it.

00:34:55.000 And then what's the other perspective?

00:34:58.000 Oh, that you're a nice officer, that you're very dutiful, that you're actually bold enough to put yourself in danger because of what you believe in.

00:35:05.000 But I reckon everyone thinks the opposite, don't they?

00:35:07.000 What is it we say, Joe, that people are focused on other people's conduct and their own welfare when we must focus on other people's welfare and our own conduct.

00:35:16.000 And that nun I'm reading in her book, Ruth Burroughs, she goes, sorry about that, what a terrible time to belch, you know, right, when you're bringing a nun up.

00:35:24.000 Like it's the last time to belch, isn't it?

00:35:26.000 Awful, really.

00:35:27.000 She says, in the end, put other people first.

00:35:30.000 If you're not putting other people first, you're on a blag.

00:35:33.000 You're just mucking around.

00:35:35.000 Hmm.

00:35:36.000 Got to put other people first.

00:35:38.000 Got to do it.

00:35:39.000 I think that's the goal.

00:35:40.000 And then sometimes we're just a little flesh.

00:35:42.000 We're a little flawed.

00:35:43.000 We like to make jokes.

00:35:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:45.000 Childish.

00:35:46.000 Why don't we, why don't, like, should we then go down to Minnesota and be at them protests and just be really nice to everyone?

00:35:55.000 I feel like that would really be dangerous.

00:35:58.000 I'm only going if Joe wants to come.

00:36:00.000 And ironically, Joe's not allowed to judge him because of his immigration status.

00:36:05.000 Don't go.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, that'd be great.

00:36:08.000 We go down there.

00:36:08.000 Go down there.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, go down there, hand out water bottles, hand out food.

00:36:12.000 We pray for both of us.

00:36:14.000 For both protesters and ICE agents.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, we're all the same.

00:36:18.000 Comment here.

00:36:18.000 We're all.

00:36:20.000 Sorry. 0.59

00:36:22.000 You sound like a mad person, if I can say.

00:36:24.000 You have got a comment here. 0.59

00:36:27.000 You weren't part of the suspect.

00:36:28.000 You said that like a hacker.

00:36:29.000 Like when there's a hacker coming.

00:36:32.000 Come on, darling. 0.50

00:36:32.000 Suspect James says, literally the first thing they teach you in gun classes is don't get involved with the police if you're carrying. 0.50

00:36:38.000 Dave, is that true?

00:36:40.000 Yeah.

00:36:40.000 Well, and when you get pulled over, when I got my concealed handgun, the very first thing you give a police officer is your concealed handgun license and you put both hands on the wheel and you tell them where your gun is.

00:36:55.000 And then if they say that you get paper sprayed and thrown to the ground.

00:36:59.000 Well, if you did that, I mean, if you scream at them and tell them, hey, my gun's here, or something like that, maybe you get paper sprayed.

00:37:06.000 But usually they're just like, I'm like, do you want me to open my glove box?

00:37:12.000 Or if it's on me, then I'm like, do you want to, do you want me to take it out?

00:37:16.000 Like, you just let them tell you what they want.

00:37:20.000 I've often wondered if the Minneapolis Border Patrol shooter would be charged, but wonder no more.

00:37:26.000 Thanks to Polymarket, who've got a graph.

00:37:28.000 Look, we don't know.

00:37:31.000 I can't read graphs.

00:37:32.000 I've never understood graphs.

00:37:33.000 It's always like that to me.

00:37:34.000 I don't know if it's going to tell me that he would.

00:37:37.000 So like, not then.

00:37:39.000 Three out of four say he's not going to almost.

00:37:42.000 Okay.

00:37:43.000 Do we have a do I throw to a commercial today?

00:37:45.000 Let's do that.

00:37:46.000 Listen, thanks for joining us on this show.

00:37:48.000 We're going to go for another 23 minutes.

00:37:49.000 We've got a lot of things to talk about.

00:37:50.000 Like Alex Holland, I've got some strong views on that, Honold.

00:37:53.000 And I'm going to start with saying his name correctly.

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00:39:32.000 We live in a world where everything is a commodity, even greatness itself.

00:39:38.000 Many of you will have seen that movie with Alex Honold, Free Solo, where he took on El Capitan.

00:39:46.000 Just one man, plainly with a very unique mind.

00:39:50.000 I think literally he had a malfunctioning amygdala and didn't feel fear.

00:39:54.000 Alex Honold.

00:39:56.000 When I'd done Bear Grills a while ago, he had just done an episode with Alex Honold.

00:40:00.000 He was like, that's the one person I really wanted to meet, and he's so fantastic.

00:40:03.000 Because Alex Honold is living in a different reality to your eye.

00:40:06.000 He's not afraid of heights.

00:40:08.000 He's highly trained.

00:40:09.000 He's brilliant.

00:40:10.000 He's an expert.

00:40:11.000 He's got dedication.

00:40:12.000 And when I first saw that movie, Free Solo, it was a sort of a wonderful insight into a sort of near-solipsistic, potentially autistic. 0.99

00:40:12.000 He's got focus. 0.99

00:40:20.000 I'm not trying to throw around the risery labels.

00:40:22.000 Just a peculiar and beautiful and brilliant man, a kind of Harry Houdini of our time.

00:40:28.000 Harry Houdini, of course, though, died doing what he was famed for, escapology.

00:40:33.000 Got himself all bundled up in a box, thrown in a shark tank, one of those things.

00:40:36.000 I think he just died, suffocated anyway, had a heart attack or got punched in somehow.

00:40:40.000 I can't remember anyway.

00:40:41.000 My point is this, that America's always had this P.T. Barnum appetite for greatness.

00:40:46.000 But what's astonished me in watching Alex Honold climbing that building called something like TPP out in South Korea?

00:40:55.000 How quickly, TPP, how quickly the culture can turn something organic into a ghoulish, vulgar, empty, hollow spectacle.

00:41:06.000 The culture is banalizing everything.

00:41:09.000 Even people getting shot in the streets in Minneapolis.

00:41:12.000 You don't know how to talk about it no more.

00:41:13.000 Even a person like me, basically sensitive, weary and exhausted by watching weirdly cast sign language folks signaling more than information to the deaf, signaling a political perspective.

00:41:26.000 Lord, is it possible that we could focus ourselves on the greatness of Alex Honold without turning it into a spectacle?

00:41:34.000 Indeed, it was spectacular to see him ascending that building.

00:41:38.000 I watched it on Netflix.

00:41:39.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you watched it.

00:41:42.000 But let me know if you felt that kind of hollowing out of watching something beautiful being turned into a muck experience. 0.64

00:41:50.000 Pew, pre-chewed, grey, gruel, everything stripped of majesty in this senseless, shallow, vacuous culture.

00:42:00.000 This is actually Jake's clip.

00:42:02.000 When we come back, Jake, you'll tell us why you selected this.

00:42:09.000 That, and here is people from inside.

00:42:12.000 You can see him right here.

00:42:13.000 We're on the 89th floor.

00:42:16.000 We're trying to keep sort of a reverent hush so as not to break his concentration.

00:42:23.000 Here's the things that struck me about it, right?

00:42:25.000 Is that for Alex Honold, who's a person who's used to climbing up mountains with their inconsistent, variable, and unpredictable surfaces that might be subject to weather and detritus and wetness and decay and crumble, climbing that building, even though to any normal person it would be terrifying to me, it's probably like a great big jungle gym, just a great big climbing frame with really easy grips and things to hold on to.

00:42:48.000 And I was sort of wondered that and was curious about it.

00:42:51.000 That doesn't sort of diminish the achievement in my mind.

00:42:54.000 What does diminish the achievement is the way that like Netflix had like a panel of people sat in the street and someone that was a wrestler?

00:43:00.000 Again, not an attack on these individuals.

00:43:02.000 Just the culture itself is making everything into some sort of like bubblegum for the mind.

00:43:07.000 What did you make of it, mate?

00:43:10.000 Well, like when Free Solo came out, I knew he made it and I ended up watching that while I was on a plane.

00:43:16.000 And that was an interesting dynamic.

00:43:18.000 Wow, because you were scared for yourself.

00:43:20.000 You managed to be scared for yourself.

00:43:23.000 I wasn't even because of the plane, just the feeling.

00:43:24.000 I knew he made it, but just seeing him up on that.

00:43:26.000 And that was kind of sad.

00:43:27.000 I didn't watch it live, the Netflix thing.

00:43:29.000 It was live.

00:43:31.000 I thought it was interesting that it rained the day he was supposed to do it.

00:43:35.000 So then I had the thought, do they just go wipe the whole building down?

00:43:38.000 Like, because he went the very next day and went live.

00:43:41.000 So that was crazy.

00:43:43.000 But then even watching it again, I was that nervous feeling of just, he's going to fall, even though you know he made it.

00:43:50.000 I find it hard to be like, you know, in a way, isn't it impossible for me to be objective about the culture?

00:43:56.000 Because I'm an apostate.

00:43:57.000 Like I'm a former priest of the culture, cast out of the culture, and now I'm enraged by the culture.

00:44:07.000 So like I'm not good at being objective.

00:44:10.000 Like even things that I really like, lifelong loves of mine, West Ham United Football Club, like it's hard for me to get, because everything is so shellact in the culture's sticky livery, I find it hard to enjoy even things that I've loved my whole life, you know, and I find it hard to see the authenticity and beauty and God in things now.

00:44:31.000 And it's pretty easy perspective to have because so many things are so appalling and revolting.

00:44:36.000 And I thought this was a perfect example that Alex Honold is a genius and a beautiful oddity. 0.92

00:44:43.000 And like having to watch him and his girlfriend kissing and like the mandatory bits of bullshit that pave across the truth of anything worthwhile and nothing having any value except for economic value. 0.83

00:44:56.000 And I feel like the culture needs to stop and give up. 0.94

00:45:01.000 I suppose this is the exact format of sour grapes, really.

00:45:06.000 But when I think of like the Oscars, are you still doing this stuff?

00:45:09.000 Are you still doing this?

00:45:11.000 People like getting, like, that's what that clip was, Massey or Isaac or whatever, cut about like the Mark Ruffalo thing.

00:45:17.000 Because with Ricky Gervais and Mark Ruffalo, you've got sort of two perfect objects, haven't you?

00:45:24.000 You've got Mark Ruffalo turning up at the Golden Globes saying, I can't believe I'm here, you know, when everything's going on in Minneapolis.

00:45:31.000 And you've got Ricky Gervais shredding it.

00:45:33.000 But I suppose a better analyst than I might say, well, both Ricky Gervais and Mark Ruffalo are still participants in the culture in their own way.

00:45:40.000 One playing the role of the cynic, the other one playing another role within it.

00:45:44.000 And surely the only, like you've said before about like with Christian folk, like that have gotten big in the Christian space and then come back as I'm the ante, get big in the Christian space guy.

00:45:54.000 Like, what if you're actually against this stuff? 1.00

00:45:57.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:45:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:59.000 For good. 1.00

00:46:00.000 Yeah, stop doing it.

00:46:01.000 So what do you think about like, what did you take from the Alex Honoral?

00:46:03.000 Just like, isn't it extraordinary?

00:46:05.000 Well, I think he's extremely gifted and talented.

00:46:08.000 It's crazy that it's become so normal for these spectacles that people don't even appreciate what he even did.

00:46:15.000 There was comments saying he had a little ladder at the very top.

00:46:19.000 The part that he actually physically could not climb because it was so slick.

00:46:24.000 He had this wonky looking ladder that he had to make it all the top after going all the way up this building.

00:46:30.000 And people were like, oh, it doesn't count.

00:46:32.000 He had a ladder.

00:46:33.000 Here's a few things.

00:46:34.000 So see South Park, right?

00:46:36.000 They're geniuses, aren't they?

00:46:37.000 Trey Parker in particular.

00:46:38.000 And Matt Stone also is the person that's holding it together with him.

00:46:42.000 Like that came from one VHS of like, you know, Jesus and Santa Claus owning about who Christmas is really about.

00:46:49.000 And from that tiny artifact, he's like, you know, 30 or 40 seasons of it, whether they're done movies, merchandise, like the sort of atomic explosion, the light held in that particle of creativity was so luminous and powerful that it's enough to create all that. 0.98

00:47:05.000 Then think of when, like, you know, we're all of an age where when YouTubers started to like, YouTubers making money, that's fucking disgusting.

00:47:14.000 When I were a lad, it were like, the first of the precursor to that idea was reality TV stars.

00:47:20.000 Like in our country, reality TV stars, I think you had the same thing when people out of Jersey Shore or whatever would become stars and get their own shows and turn up on things.

00:47:28.000 Well, in our country, that one was like Big Brother.

00:47:31.000 And it brought out like proper underclass stars, like not just working class. 0.57

00:47:31.000 That was the one. 0.57

00:47:36.000 We're talking like people like traveler level, kind of like, fucking hell, like rowdy people that didn't look illiterates, illiterates, like becoming famous. 0.99

00:47:47.000 Like they've got totally different social values. 0.99

00:47:50.000 And I'm thinking in particular of Jade Goody, who was a sort of a sensation that emerged our big brother, who went through this mad cycle of being really hated and vilified, a bit like that movie, the Stephen King movie, Carrie, and then everyone realizing, oh, fuck, we've gone too far hating her. 0.98

00:48:04.000 We better we can't do this because people sometimes are confronted with their own unconscious appetites to vilify, bully, condemn, damn, and to just want desperately to hate someone. 0.98

00:48:15.000 And like the culture does it a lot to women. 1.00

00:48:16.000 They did it to Princess Diana, Amy Winehouse, Britney Spears.

00:48:19.000 They like to shred up the ladies. 1.00

00:48:21.000 Like as a, I think it's some sort of the sacrifice model myself.

00:48:24.000 I think it comes from human sacrifice and virgin sacrifice ideas.

00:48:28.000 That's my own pit theory on the matter.

00:48:31.000 So like, and like they're with, so when like those people start come stars, people are like, why are they stars?

00:48:38.000 They ain't no good at nothing.

00:48:39.000 Like they can't juggle or or paint or something.

00:48:42.000 But then, but the precedent to celebrity was aristocracy prior to the founding of your great nation.

00:48:49.000 Like the stars were all like, Lord Biden, you can write a poem, that guy.

00:48:53.000 And like sort of, and then just people that were good looking.

00:48:56.000 And they were just aristocrats and generals.

00:48:58.000 And like our country had a class system.

00:49:00.000 At least there is some sort of, oh, I don't know.

00:49:02.000 I want to say, I was about to say meritocracy, but I caught myself.

00:49:05.000 There is no meritocracy.

00:49:06.000 There is commodity.

00:49:07.000 What replaced aristocracy was commodity.

00:49:10.000 If you can be turned into a product for a while, they'll use you. 1.00

00:49:13.000 If you can't, as Ricky Jermais says brilliantly, fuck off. 1.00

00:49:18.000 But no one says it quite like him in that Golden Globes. 0.99

00:49:21.000 But what I mean to say is that that is the under to see that happen, I suppose, to Alex Honneld.

00:49:29.000 I'm sure he can protect himself and he's got his life and he knows how to do it.

00:49:32.000 And like, oh, I've got to do is be on the TV.

00:49:33.000 I'm giving him this much.

00:49:34.000 I'm not going to give him any more than that.

00:49:36.000 But like, you know, God forbid that Alex Honneld should be complex.

00:49:40.000 Or, you know, like, it's just with someone like Jade Goody, a working class person turned into a celebrity who later said racist stuff on telly because she comes from a class and a culture where that is completely normal and not even considered racist.

00:49:52.000 She would spend more time with black and Asian people than any of the people that were condemning her and have more Asian and black friends than any of the people condemning her.

00:49:59.000 But if you said a word that is a racist word in British, it's packy.

00:50:02.000 It is a racist word, but I'll say it, I suppose, for the purposes of you knowing what it is.

00:50:07.000 But I wouldn't say it in a derogatory or hurtful way.

00:50:10.000 I'd hate for anyone to be hurt by anything that I've said or done ever, actually.

00:50:14.000 Packy?

00:50:15.000 Oh, Dave, don't lean into it.

00:50:16.000 But is that the same as Pikey?

00:50:18.000 It's not.

00:50:19.000 All right, that's not so racist, though, right?

00:50:21.000 Joe McCann, let's hand it over to Joe.

00:50:23.000 Joe's live for like, Joe, go on, talk these guys through piekeys and packies.

00:50:28.000 Yeah, that is actually the same, the same saying, right?

00:50:32.000 I was actually at the gym the other day with a mate of mine who's Pakistani and a friend of mine who's a traveller bumped into him in the changing rooms and he said, look, I suffer racism all the time.

00:50:42.000 They call us pikeys, do as you like, East, they're not over there, all that sort of stuff.

00:50:47.000 You know?

00:50:48.000 I just know about pikeys. 1.00

00:50:49.000 They like caravans from you gotta be careful saying that.

00:50:53.000 That's like dirty word.

00:50:55.000 I learned that.

00:50:56.000 That's what I was over there.

00:50:58.000 Snatch did that.

00:50:59.000 That's what I was quoting too.

00:51:01.000 I know.

00:51:01.000 Snatch.

00:51:02.000 Good movie, though. 0.99

00:51:04.000 You racist. 0.95

00:51:05.000 That's like I was going to say in the end word. 0.98

00:51:07.000 Oh, you the same?

00:51:09.000 No way.

00:51:10.000 That's not the same.

00:51:11.000 Well, the pikeyards. 1.00

00:51:12.000 To that community, it is.

00:51:14.000 Yeah, it is.

00:51:14.000 It's racist against them because...

00:51:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:51:16.000 All right, okay, right.

00:51:17.000 Right, you've made a mistake.

00:51:19.000 You've said something I know something about.

00:51:20.000 Now you're going to have to listen to me.

00:51:24.000 From when people started to settle and build communities at the advent of agriculture, i.e., people don't have to follow food around no more.

00:51:31.000 We can grow food so we can settle.

00:51:32.000 We can build towns and communities.

00:51:33.000 Some people continued with a nomadic lifestyle.

00:51:36.000 The nomadic people were always regarded with cynicism and doubt, the troubadours, the wandering minstrels, the people that move through, the shaman, the mysterious folk, because they don't need to build relationships.

00:51:48.000 So the logic goes, and therefore they're less reliable.

00:51:51.000 And the very things that people say about travelers and you know, using the racial slur, you'd have to say pikey there. 0.81

00:51:58.000 They say, oh, they're going to nick your baby.

00:52:01.000 They'll come and they'll tarmac your drive and do a bad job of it.

00:52:04.000 There's like loads of things.

00:52:05.000 And those sort of slurs exist everywhere.

00:52:08.000 Well, Joe, you probably know more travelers than any of us I would have thought because of your connections to boxing and all of that.

00:52:14.000 And like, but what I've seen is that they've got actually like pretty good code of ethics, but they're sort of tribal folks.

00:52:21.000 Like they're tribalized.

00:52:22.000 What do you think about it, mate?

00:52:23.000 Yeah, they're very traditional people.

00:52:25.000 That's what I'd say, old-fashioned sort of traditions.

00:52:29.000 And they do.

00:52:30.000 They suffer a lot of racism because they keep within their own sort of community.

00:52:35.000 And they, like I say, very old-fashioned.

00:52:38.000 And look, I've met a lot of good people, a lot of good people, travelers, but they do get a lot of stick, you know, and it seems to be almost like they're not represented for that.

00:52:48.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:52:48.000 Like, it's fair enough.

00:52:50.000 Well, they're not participating in the system in some way because, like, the famous thing is they don't pay tax and that kind of order, that kind of stuff, innit?

00:52:57.000 But really, but so there's the real problem is they've gone, we're not operating inside of this system.

00:53:03.000 So whether it's like the travelers or the Amish, the people that we should be emulating after, who are people who are going, this is my community, this is how I want to live.

00:53:10.000 Hopefully I'm open-hearted and tolerant and love other people and want to learn about other cultures.

00:53:14.000 But the reality of my life is us lot grow the food, these lot do the protecting if there's any kind of problems.

00:53:20.000 These lot are looking after the kids.

00:53:22.000 This is how we're running it.

00:53:23.000 We've got our own little ways of doing it.

00:53:24.000 There are basic understandings that we don't mess with vulnerable people.

00:53:28.000 That there are sexual, moral, and ethical laws that hold us all together.

00:53:32.000 You know, like other than some basic universal truths, which curiously enough are the other things that the neoliberalist post-structuralist movement tried to deny existed, i.e. they said there is no objective thing of good and evil.

00:53:44.000 Everyone's got their own truth.

00:53:45.000 There's nothing wrong with this, nothing wrong with that. 0.98

00:53:48.000 Once you dispatch that crap and just go, no, there is. 0.82

00:53:52.000 Forget Foucault and Derrida and the post-structuralists and embrace indeed the truth of God. 0.98

00:53:59.000 You know if you're doing something right or wrong.

00:54:01.000 Let's stop wasting our time trying to pretend that there's a thousand different rights and sort of some sort of hegemonic patriarchal class imposing law and order.

00:54:10.000 If you're able to protect, protect, if you're able to serve, you should serve.

00:54:14.000 If you're in a position of power, it should be a position of service.

00:54:17.000 You should always have people in leadership positions answerable to the people that they serve.

00:54:21.000 You should never allow positions of power to become entrenched.

00:54:25.000 You should recognize that all of us are in the same relationship to God, i.e. we are creatures, we are subordinate to him.

00:54:31.000 We have different abilities, different deficits.

00:54:33.000 All of us are broken.

00:54:34.000 We're all here and we're all going to die.

00:54:36.000 And if we don't love one another, why are you going to be a disgusting mess and it might go on for all eternity, as I've been led to believe. 0.52

00:54:42.000 And like people that are living in community have at least understood the first part.

00:54:46.000 Well, why don't we all look after one another?

00:54:49.000 Now, Christ wants to remove limited liability for the category of neighbor to include everyone in the whole world.

00:54:55.000 And that is what we should be aspiring to.

00:54:57.000 But you can't achieve anything at all when you're atomized and global.

00:55:01.000 You're a self-obsessed individual living in a global community.

00:55:05.000 And all you really care about when you drill down to it is your amount of pleasure and pain.

00:55:10.000 That's all you're dealing in.

00:55:12.000 You might as well be polymarket.

00:55:13.000 All you're after is pleasure and pain, dressing it up, justifying why this bit of pleasure you're entitled to, justifying why this bit of pain shouldn't happen.

00:55:21.000 Oh, this person in Minnesota's done this. 0.99

00:55:24.000 This person over in there's like, you don't know nothing about fuck all. 0.99

00:55:27.000 Just settle yourself right down, get in touch with the Lord Almighty and do something less daft. 1.00

00:55:32.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:55:34.000 For loving days. 1.00

00:55:36.000 That's my perspective.

00:55:38.000 That's pretty good.

00:55:38.000 Cut that up, Massey.

00:55:40.000 Stick it out, makes a few quids.

00:55:41.000 Stick a reborn ad on the end of it.

00:55:43.000 We'll build a citadel. 1.00

00:55:44.000 We'll arm ourselves to the fucking teeth. 0.99

00:55:46.000 We'll teach people how to unhook themselves from these systems in the holy name of Christ. 1.00

00:55:50.000 And we'll fight this war because that's what they want.

00:55:53.000 But not on the front foot, learning from beloved Gandhi and Martin Luther King that the first thing is mass disobedience, total disobedience.

00:56:00.000 And to have the stones to disobey, you've got to be willing to die, innit, Joe.

00:56:05.000 100%, mate.

00:56:07.000 All right, that's where we went on old Alex Hammond climbing a building, Honold.

00:56:12.000 Honold!

00:56:12.000 Hanold.

00:56:13.000 Honold.

00:56:13.000 Hanold.

00:56:14.000 Go on in, Joe.

00:56:15.000 Take us out with your wonderful three days.

00:56:18.000 What is now, Joe McCann, with three days of darkness?

00:56:23.000 What are you talking about?

00:56:25.000 Right, so the three days of darkness.

00:56:28.000 This is, it's Catholic prophecy, right? 0.62

00:56:31.000 So it's not like you have to believe it.

00:56:33.000 It's not church doctrine.

00:56:34.000 There's like three of the saints, Padre Pio, Blessed Anne Maria, Tadgi, they prophesied this.

00:56:41.000 There was one other as well.

00:56:42.000 I can't remember who she was, though.

00:56:43.000 And this was between the 18th century and the 19th century.

00:56:47.000 So they all vary.

00:56:49.000 There's slight variations between the three prophecies, but most of them say that it's going to start with like an illumination of consciousness, right?

00:56:58.000 So think like St. Paul on the road to Damascus.

00:57:01.000 But you're going to have this big experience where you're going to see yourself as God sees you, right?

00:57:06.000 This is then followed by the three days of darkness.

00:57:10.000 So thick, dark smog essentially is going to cover the earth, right?

00:57:15.000 You ain't going to be able to go outside.

00:57:17.000 No artificial light's going to work.

00:57:19.000 All you'll have or is suggested that you have is blessed beeswax candles, right?

00:57:25.000 Remember that.

00:57:26.000 So keep them indoors with you.

00:57:28.000 Now, during this time, you can either repent of your sins, come back to Christ and be redeemed, or you get consumed by demons and the black smog.

00:57:39.000 And Padre Pio even said this, right?

00:57:41.000 This is where it gets like pretty scary.

00:57:43.000 He says that like the demons might even come in the form of loved ones or relatives and try and lure you outside.

00:57:50.000 So it's pretty scary stuff.

00:57:51.000 So the takeaway point, stock up on blessed candles, methylene, blue and colostrum, if you like.

00:57:56.000 That won't do you no art.

00:57:59.000 Now, we could sell.

00:58:02.000 So this is what I quite like.

00:58:04.000 I've done a little deep dive on this and made some notes here.

00:58:06.000 So there's things to look out for in the build-up to this, right?

00:58:10.000 So some say that the Antichrist will rule for three years first.

00:58:14.000 Then there's a little checklist things to look out for, which I listed, right?

00:58:18.000 So it says false worship, close of churches, rebellion against God, pride in human knowledge, breakdown of the family unit, corruption, revolutions, floods and earthquakes.

00:58:31.000 So there's going to be like global disasters and all that as well.

00:58:34.000 And then this ends in a return of the light, the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

00:58:41.000 That's good work there, my beloved brother.

00:58:45.000 What if in, I know, I know it ain't scriptural.

00:58:48.000 You said it's like catechism or Catholic prophecy, but what if the use of the word day is maybe like the creation story defining a movement or unit of time rather than a 24-hour relationship between the sun and the earth?

00:59:06.000 So like it's because I think we're already in it.

00:59:08.000 It sounds like that's like we might have been in that.

00:59:11.000 I mean, I don't know how, and no one does, thankfully, how to sort of interpret the temporal in scripture or in prophecy.

00:59:21.000 But what it does seem to me is that that heavy darkness, that image is sort of a powerful scriptural image.

00:59:28.000 In Exodus, Moses, in his approach to Yahweh, has to move through thick cloud.

00:59:33.000 And any of you to have ever thought of killing yourself, and Jake thinks I should do it.

00:59:39.000 Jake didn't say, he said the opposite.

00:59:40.000 I love Jake.

00:59:41.000 Like, any of you, that's what you pass through is a cloud of darkness.

00:59:46.000 I think sometimes, you know, when people say the moonlanders didn't happen because there's an asteroid belt that people can't envisage how the shuttle was meant to have got through.

00:59:54.000 It's one of the things that people who believe there were no moon landings say.

00:59:58.000 And I feel that there is something you have to pass through, and this is mythically quite tight too, I believe, in order to become enlightened.

01:00:09.000 Paul got shazammed off the back of that nag, didn't he, on the way to Damascus? 1.00

01:00:14.000 But most people's white light experiences, I think, are on the back of successive crises.

01:00:20.000 But for all we know, Saul of Tarsus was so depressed with his way of life.

01:00:25.000 Like he's holding the jackets while they're burning Stephen or stoning him and he's like watching all this and something in him is like, this ain't right.

01:00:34.000 This isn't working.

01:00:35.000 This isn't working.

01:00:36.000 And think about your own experience of personal awakening.

01:00:39.000 Those of you that have entered into that as an adult, it was preceded, wasn't it, by like a sort of an almost inconceivable darkness.

01:00:48.000 I'm not suggesting that these three days are not true because I think they are true.

01:00:52.000 I'm just wondering about the way that it will play out.

01:00:56.000 But perhaps what's even more interesting than that, and we'll have to save this story for our Rumble Premium viewers, is that Joe's accruing this information.

01:01:04.000 Is it all right to talk about it?

01:01:06.000 Joe's going and visiting like different Franciscan friaries and hanging out with like badass monks that sound like they should be played by like Brendan B, like sort of like Brendan Gleason style mad hunched monks, like all sound like proper badasses.

01:01:23.000 So we'll be talking more about that because in a sense what this show is for these days, yes, of course, we're proud supporters, allies and partners of our friends at Rumble.

01:01:31.000 And of course, any economic partnerships that they have, we want to support those as well and be good colleagues and friends to these beloved supporters who have been so bold and brave in their actions and attitudes towards us.

01:01:44.000 But I'm actually, tell you the truth, I'm like, the two options for me now are either what Jake's alluding to, like, no, not to be sorry, check out, like go live the sort of hermetic life, hermetic monastic life of just like, oh, but then I've got kids, so I'm in the world.

01:02:02.000 And then, or fully, like, whatever the equivalent is of religious devoutness in preparation for war.

01:02:10.000 But because I've been such an egomaniac most of my life, I'm going to see which one God wants and just do that one because I can't be bothered to keep pushing this stone of myself up a hill for all eternity.

01:02:22.000 It's absolutely exhausting.

01:02:24.000 So if you've got Rumble Premium or locals, click the link in the description.

01:02:27.000 Join us for another 20 minutes while we're talking about Joe's visits to Franciscan monasteries that sound to me like ISIS training camps.

01:02:35.000 And when you look at them like that, it makes more sense that Joe would go.

01:02:38.000 And we'll also be chatting about Massey's, going to be talking about chat GPT murders.

01:02:45.000 Dave inexplicably has lemons.

01:02:47.000 I don't think Dave's trying, frankly, with the clips.

01:02:50.000 That's the impression I'm getting.

01:02:51.000 But we'll be with you in a matter of moments.

01:02:54.000 We'll be back on Wednesday.

01:02:56.000 Not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:02:57.000 Until then, if you can, please stay free.

01:03:00.000 And for the rest of us, let's crack on with our things.

01:03:03.000 Go on it.

01:03:04.000 What?

01:03:04.000 We've got anything to do?

01:03:05.000 Like an adv or anything?

01:03:06.000 No, Dave's got to be.

01:03:07.000 Oh, Dave's got, you've got to go, mate.

01:03:09.000 Dave, so, but then we're going to have a spot.

01:03:11.000 Square.

01:03:12.000 Come back.

01:03:13.000 We've got a work phone call.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:14.000 We need to put something in Dave's Square.

01:03:17.000 We put Jesus's head.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - January 26, 2026

Second Minneapolis ICE shooting and the battle over the story— SF674

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