A woman who can handle a marathon. A man born in the UK who loves the country, and what s happening there under the bizarre stewardship of a duplicitous authoritarian and legislator, a man who seems determined to turn the United Kingdom into a banana republic.
00:02:34.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:36.000It's a super special episode with Lily Phillips.
00:02:40.000In a way, it's a kind of clash of the titans of promiscuity.
00:02:44.000Me as a former denizen of that world of hedonism, epicureanism and mad lasciviousness, now redeemed, saved.
00:02:54.000Listen, before coming to Christ, I recognised that a life of monogamy was going to be advantageous, but it's a brilliant conversation that talks about the commodification of sex, the objectification of people, and how that actually happens beyond.
00:03:08.000You know, looking at people in just economic terms would be another example of that.
00:03:11.000And we talk about Lily Phillips as a kind of entrepreneur and businesswoman.
00:03:16.000And if you extract the sanctity and sacredness from sex, which many people from across the political and cultural spectrum are attempting to do, then what's wrong with wandering the streets with effluvia on your face?
00:03:28.000It is an interesting question, and it's one of the questions that we discuss.
00:03:32.000We'll also be looking at my island, the United Kingdom.
00:03:37.000A man born there who loves the country and what's happening there under the bizarre stewardship of Keir Starmer, duplicitous authoritarian and legislator, a man who seems determined to turn the United Kingdom.
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00:04:40.000Let's get into today's first story about Keir Starmer.
00:04:44.000The Lily Phillips interview will be coming up soon, so be sure to stay.
00:04:49.000With us for that, because Lily Phillips is a woman who can handle a marathon.
00:05:01.000And with that, if you've not seen Break Bread yet, have a look at Break Bread with Russell Brand.
00:05:07.000We've got Paul Kingsnorth coming up and available to Rumble premium members of my conversations with the apologist and theologian, Wes Huff, as well as my conversations with Tucker.
00:05:17.000You may not have been able to visit a newborn baby or watch your grandmother die in hospital, but Keir Starmer, Prime Minister of the UK's larynx, why?
00:05:27.000That is an issue of international importance.
00:05:33.000Thank you for joining me every day, Monday to Thursday, for our Rumble stream on Stay Free, where we talk about things that matter, like hypocrisy and deception, like globalist leaders who claim they care for you, breaking the rules that they endorse.
00:06:04.000They had a gay old time of it there in Westminster and Downing Street while you were locked in your home, surf, while you were told what to do, while you were taking medications that hadn't been trialled or tested in the manner that you were told they had been, while Pfizer and Moderna were making profits, while you were taking medications that hadn't been trialled or tested in the manner that you were told they had been, while Pfizer and Moderna were making profits, Keir Starmer was getting his larynx interfered with, and Boris Johnson was partying like it were 1999 and
00:06:39.000It's a story about hypocrisy and deception.
00:06:43.000is a story about leaders like Gavin Newsom or Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer across the Atlantic, across the Isles, across political divides, believing that they're different from us, believing that they can set laws, vague laws.
00:06:57.000Then they can decide who on a paddleboard might have to be dragged off and imprisoned in Gavin Newsom's California, not necessarily imprisoned, and who is able to just do what they want.
00:07:09.000This is all of course, resurfacing and being discussed in light of the fact that Keir Starmer, on Christmas Eve, during the pandemic, had his voice...
00:07:18.000Leonie Mellinger, a name that sounds like a kind of vocal exercise, Leonie Mellinger, Leonie Mellinger, Leonie Mellinger, over on Christmas Eve, while you couldn't watch, I don't know, elderly relatives die, or babies be born, or go to church, or do anything, because actually what was being advanced during that period, if you don't know yet, was the normalisation of mass control, the normalisation of mass medical programmes.
00:07:47.000Things were put before us, I would say, and normalised.
00:07:50.000And I would say that's something we have to be alert to to this day, regardless of what political party is in government, because Keir Starmer, who made bold claims that he would resign if ever he was found to have breached Covid laws, guess what?
00:08:04.000How extraordinary that these people...
00:08:07.000How extraordinary that these people that are not willing to do inquiries into actual rape gangs break laws.
00:08:13.000How extraordinary that these people that have clandestine meetings with the CIA about Julian Assange, as some would say, don't act morally around issues like free speech or freedom more generally.
00:08:24.000Let's have a look at how this story broke in the UK about Keir Starmer.
00:08:29.000Two-tier Kia, Kia Starmageddon, having voice coaching during the pandemic.
00:08:35.000And you might think, oh, this is a while ago, but it's a litmus test for how they conduct themselves.
00:08:40.000We're always talking about moral authority and righteousness and ethics and how people behave now and how people behaved in the past.
00:08:45.000Well, here are people with actual power.
00:08:47.000And by power, I mean the ability to tax you and take your money.
00:08:51.000And send it to a foreign country to perpetuate a war.
00:08:54.000By power, I mean the ability to ensure that people without trial can be incarcerated in Belmarsh.
00:09:46.000When it comes to anything, if they knew, for example, that the coronavirus was not so serious that you shouldn't see people, they knew that then.
00:09:53.000They didn't tell you because it weren't convenient.
00:10:00.000This is a British equivalent of one of those morning shows you have in America with a former Chancellor, I believe, Ed Balls, or at least Shadow Chancellor, who became secondarily famous when he went on one of those dancing shows that people go on and make you realise they were never serious about politics in the first place.
00:10:15.000Let's see what he says now as a media stooge about this subject.
00:10:18.000And I've not watched it yet, so maybe he gives a brilliant line of inquiry and analysis.
00:11:45.000His voice coach called Leonie Melinger and that she qualified according to the book for key worker status.
00:12:09.000At that time, we weren't allowed to meet families and friends in more than groups of six, and people weren't going to work other than for key workers.
00:12:56.000Keir Starmer's voice might be a bit annoying, but it's not an emergency, and helping it to be less annoying is not key work, particularly when what he says with his still annoying voice is mostly lies.
00:13:12.000Incendiary rhetoric which prioritises the encroachment on free speech and the penalisation of free speech over, for example, inquiring into rape gangs.
00:13:54.000Look, it was a terrible time for all of us, wasn't it?
00:13:58.000And we're starting to see again the sort of mudslinging that we saw before by some of the Conservatives.
00:14:03.000Yeah, it's a terrible time, you know, because the mudslinging, we all remember it was mostly the mudslinging.
00:14:08.000No, it wasn't mudslinging that was annoying.
00:14:10.000What it was was a globalist coup that put people in their homes, shamed people if they wouldn't take medicine, controlled information and normalised the control and censorship of free speech online, that demonstrated...
00:14:24.000Integration of government agencies like the FBI, CIA and presumably British equivalents into social media sites that normalise the idea that the government should be in control of what you're able to discuss.
00:14:34.000People that had vaccine injuries were shamed and censored and still to this day vaccine companies have indemnity and any payouts that the vaccine injured, because they have been injured, receive will come from the same government, ultimately making us pay for this stuff like two or three times while encroaching continually.
00:15:11.000We're going to do that because we're better than you.
00:15:13.000We understand reality better than you.
00:15:15.000How else could we make claims to be able to control your free speech or demand that you take medications or demand that you fund foreign wars or put you in jail for speaking openly or any of the...
00:15:25.000Thousands of everyday corruptions that flow out of centralised power.
00:15:30.000How could we legitimise it except unless we thought we were better than you and therefore exempted from rules that you, you surf class, have to obey?
00:16:32.000So my understanding of the Tier 4 at that time in London is that people were working and that this was part of working for presentations that the now Prime Minister had to make.
00:16:47.000Well, I actually think if you look up the definition of key worker at the time, it was those needed to run the justice system, religious staff, charities and workers delivering key frontline services, and in government, administrative occupations, delivering effective delivery of the COVID-19 response.
00:18:01.000As a person who presumably had goals and aims in life to get into government, to make a difference, to represent maybe the interests of women or the dispossessed, there could be countless various ways that a person might, with idealism, enter into politics.
00:18:17.000Emphatic lump of language to protect the corrupt and ensure that varieties of corruption can continue as usual, whoever is in a position of power.
00:18:27.000Because while we're talking about that, what we're not talking about is, wait a minute, wait a minute, weren't we censoring people during that pandemic period for talking about their own actual vaccine injuries?
00:18:36.000Weren't we locking people in their homes?
00:18:38.000Doesn't this point to the fact that...
00:18:40.000There is some kind of weird, ulterior global power that temporarily and inadvertently revealed itself during that COVID pandemic when governments across the world cooperated in merry tyranny, whether it was in Canada with the truckers, or in the UK with the lies, or Gavin Newsom with his parties, or the enormous corporations that made tremendous profits, or the revelation that Bill Gates...
00:19:09.000This is somehow involved in all of this and manufacturing vaccines and donating to the WHO. And that across the world, there are systems of power that conceal themselves.
00:19:18.000And this, even this explanation that this politician is offering, is part of the masquerade and facade that defines contemporary politics and power as the real forces manoeuvre behind it, ensuring that we remain controlled, unable to act with sovereignty and potency.
00:19:36.000It was okay because she was a key worker.
00:19:39.000You're saying it was okay because she was a worker, whether she's a key worker or not.
00:19:43.000I can't comment on the book or where the journalists had that information from.
00:19:49.000I mean, that is a bit of a hypothetical for me at this point.
00:19:53.000Yeah, it's all hypothetical if there is no actual moral authority at the heart of leadership.
00:19:58.000Here is Keir Starmer, the man with the most flexible larynx in Westminster.
00:20:02.000Saying that if he was ever found guilty of breaking Covid rules, he would resign.
00:20:07.000But if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice, I would, of course, do the right thing and step down.
00:20:19.000It was politically expedient to say that then because Boris Johnson was found to have done wrong in having all those parties when he was the Prime Minister.
00:20:27.000One thing I would say is that Keir Starmer's voice during that sounded...
00:20:31.000Ever since the first Covid lockdown, I've always followed the rules.
00:20:36.000In that time, the British people have made heart-wrenching sacrifices.
00:21:19.000And one man I know in Leicestershire was at least an octave too low when speaking to his greengrocer from six feet away through an unnecessary mask.
00:21:55.000When my mother-in-law passed away suddenly just before the lockdown, I immediately went to a voice coach and said, can you please coach some sort of never-ending living spirit out of this woman?
00:25:07.000Hey, who's to judge the way I get my clothes or what donations are made and what I consider to be vital?
00:25:15.000All corruption can be understood in one man's piety and righteousness, in his confidence and certainty that it's his opponents that feed cynicism while he feeds hope.
00:25:26.000How must he reframe that speech made then, now that we know that he did break the rules?
00:26:01.000Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
00:26:04.000Remember, we stream Monday to Friday every day, and if you get Rumble Premium, you get not only an ad-free experience, but access to break bread with fantastic guests like this.
00:26:14.000What makes Jesus truly different is that you could actually remove a lot of these religious figures from the center of the religion, and the religion could function in some formal capacity, or at least it could have been done by someone else.
00:26:29.000It didn't have to be Gautam or Siddhartha.
00:27:54.000Now, you've seen that the United Kingdom is in a place of disrepute and disrepair, perhaps because of bad globalist governors and leaders.
00:28:00.000Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.
00:28:03.000Wherever you're watching us now, X, YouTube, or wherever, surely you have the appetite to see some authentic English voices talking about something that matters.
00:28:12.000And what matters more than sex, the power of creation and creativity itself, perhaps the act in which we are most like God, where there is a requirement for sanctity, where there is a requirement to acknowledge sanctity and beauty and love and truth.
00:28:39.000Lily Phillips is an OnlyFans model and cultural phenomenon undertaking online escapades that celebrate the orgiastic, having it off with like 35 guys one day, having sex with 100 men in an afternoon, reaching numerical records in a place that many people still consider to be sacred.
00:29:00.000But wow, I remember there was a time where I felt like I was being celebrated as a womanizer, celebrated for sleeping with hundreds and...
00:29:10.000It's something that for a number of reasons, some of which are pretty obvious, I've come to regard in a very, very different light.
00:29:16.000That's why I'm fascinated to speak with Lily Phillips, my fellow English person, my fellow person potentially caught in a whirlwind of the power of carnality.
00:29:27.000Lily Phillips, thanks so much for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:29:32.000No, thank you so much for having me on.
00:30:24.000Like sex is a, I believe now, and this is what I want to talk to you about, that sex is sacred and extremely powerful.
00:30:31.000And that when I lived a life where I used sex like it was a kind of leisure activity and used my fame to access sex in ways that are spiritually It's difficult, spiritually difficult, because you have a kind of power when you're famous.
00:30:51.000You'll start to experience it now, I suppose, your own version of it.
00:30:55.000And when you have that power, it allows things to happen that are perhaps beyond certain moral boundaries, I would call it.
00:31:06.000So the reason I want to talk to you is because...
00:31:10.000In a way, you're an example of so many modern phenomena.
00:31:15.000Internet fame, you know, you didn't used to get people being famous because of Instagram, and it's even more niche to be famous from OnlyFans.
00:31:23.000And because what you've done is so sort of explicit and overt.
00:31:28.000And I wanted to talk to you human to human about the impact and power of sex.
00:31:33.000And I suppose let's start with, how did you...
00:31:37.000Get into being an OnlyFans model and what's been your experience of how that's escalated?
00:31:45.000Yeah so I mean growing up I was always very very sexual.
00:31:50.000I could tell amongst my friends like I always loved sex a lot more than my friends even.
00:31:54.000Like when I was 12, 13, I was always so much more curious than my mates were.
00:32:00.000And then when it got to around, I was like 18 and I started to hear about this OnlyFans.
00:32:08.000For me, I thought it was like the perfect job because it, you know, combines something I love, sex, with, you know, a job and like, you know, being able to monetize off that and being creative.
00:32:24.000And so when I went off to university, I knew that what I went to university for wasn't quite what I wanted to do.
00:32:34.000I wasn't really sure why I went to university.
00:32:36.000I just kind of went because everyone else was.
00:32:39.000And then that's when I was like, you know, I'm going to start an OnlyFans.
00:32:42.000And at that time, this was like four and a half years ago.
00:32:45.000So I didn't really know that it could do as well as it did.
00:32:51.000I thought it might just be like a little side job while I'm at university and then yeah as soon as I got on the platform it kind of took off and I was able to kind of make good money and the job really wasn't taxing and so I kind of thought it was it was perfect.
00:33:10.000Okay, we're going to continue our conversation exclusively on Rumble now, so click the link in the description.
00:33:15.000I'm going to be talking to Lily more about the moral implications, the spiritual implications, and whether or not there are any boundaries to what she would do in the name of fulfilling and satiating her OnlyFans audience and whatever other drives are at the heart of this extraordinary phenomena.
00:33:34.000Remember, if you support us on Rumble Premium using the code BRAND, you get additional content, early access, So, initially, you've said like that...
00:34:43.000I just like to eat well and working out, so I thought maybe I can do that.
00:34:48.000So fitness and wellness, you probably, I guess the age that you are, you're the kind of first generation of adults that it's conceivable that you can be an influencer, that you could be like, say, Joe Wicks, like in the world of health, or like all of the various stars that have emerged essentially out of online spaces, whether it's food or fitness, and there are incredibly niche areas now.
00:36:42.000Contaminated, not by the individuals necessarily, but almost as if I'd been near some essence or something that shouldn't have been messed around with.
00:37:20.000I'm thinking about the moment in the film that you made when I feel like it was the day that you slept with a hundred men.
00:37:28.000And I feel like there was a moment where you cried and were overwhelmed.
00:37:34.000And I wonder when you reflect on that.
00:37:38.000What do you feel that that was about, Lily?
00:37:43.000I mean, obviously, now I look back on it, I was definitely exhausted.
00:37:47.000And I feel as though, you know, I should have maybe set more boundaries with maybe the camera crew as to, like, give me, you know, a day to kind of actually, like...
00:38:00.000you know take it all in because I think I kind of came straight out of having like a 14-hour sex marathon and went straight into questioning and yeah I mean it was I was definitely exhausted that's for sure and I think it was hard because with the time limit then created like sometimes people were unpleased And obviously these are people who have waited and
00:38:30.000you know have maybe traveled far and are also like maybe fans of me and things like that and I didn't want to be...
00:38:38.000I like to be a bit of a people pleaser.
00:38:40.000I didn't want to let them down so I think that also created some like hostile situations where the guys were a bit like you're not going to give me more time like I've come far and I was like you know I'm trying to fuck 100 guys like I'm on a bit of a time crunch here.
00:38:54.000So yeah that was also tricky to navigate.
00:38:58.000It's interesting, Lily, that you say that the intimacy of being observed by a camera crew was intrusive.
00:39:05.000So that's an acknowledgement that there are some things that require bounding and protecting.
00:39:13.000And it's also interesting that you say that many of the male participants felt unfulfilled.
00:39:20.000Now, what I would say is there's kind of no way that anybody could...
00:39:27.000Like, it's interesting when I speak to, I guess certainly before everything got on top for me in the United Kingdom with documentaries and attacks and stuff, like young men would say to me, oh my God, what's it like?
00:39:40.000What's it like to be able to sleep with as many women as you want to?
00:39:45.000And I would sort of say, it's kind of in some ways really, really amazing, but it's amazing mostly to know.
00:39:54.000Something that most people will never know.
00:39:56.000That you cannot be fulfilled by the pursuit of carnal pleasure.
00:40:01.000That sex is not an object in itself, but a condiment, a kind of an accompaniment to love.
00:40:08.000And also, sex is the act of the creator.
00:40:12.000It's the act of creation, creating life.
00:40:18.000Pleasurable, excuse me, Lily, because it's the act by which we create life.
00:40:22.000It's when we are perhaps most like God.
00:40:25.000And to misappropriate and misuse that power is transgressive, and to use a sort of a bit of an old-fashioned word, sinful.
00:40:38.000Now, it's sort of different because men have...
00:40:43.000I wonder what you think about this, Lily.
00:40:45.000For men, if you didn't believe in God, from a biological perspective, men sleeping with lots of women kind of makes sense because a man don't get pregnant, a man's not going to bear the responsibility.
00:40:57.000A man, if he wanted to, could just leave and his genes are passed on, his job's done.
00:41:02.000For a woman, the act of sex carries a potentially quite high price as well as a potential for a great blessing of pregnancy.
00:41:22.000I know this is not an absolute argument because we all do things when we're young that would not be appropriate when we're old, full stop.
00:41:29.000But in particular, with regard to your attitude towards sex, can you imagine sex ever being sanctified again and an expression of unique and special love between you and someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with?
00:42:12.000It doesn't necessarily mean, like, you have to just have sex with this one person for the rest of your life and make love and, you know, you're only having sex to have children.
00:42:19.000I'm guessing is that something that you think is true, like, you only have to have sex if you want to make babies?
00:42:26.000I've been thinking about it a lot, actually, and trying to understand it, particularly as a new Christian, because it seems like, Lily, if there is any censure against sex, Just for pleasure, then that would apply to everyone.
00:42:46.000Because as a Christian, I'm looking at stuff around what it says in Scripture, around homosexuality, for example, and what it says in Scripture.
00:42:56.000When I'm looking, it makes sense to me as an individual, with the experiences I've had, that the power of sex is sort of so great that it needs...
00:43:16.000Because, like, the phone is such a powerful thing.
00:43:19.000If you don't have a program around your phone, like, if you're going to, I'm just going to look at my phone whenever I feel like it, you might end up looking at your phone all the time.
00:43:27.000You might end up looking at your phone in the dead of night.
00:43:29.000You might end up looking at your phone instead of your children's faces.
00:43:32.000And what I feel like with sex, like, when I was little, mate, not little, teenager and growing up, pornography...
00:43:40.000This is going to make me sound so dreadfully old, and there's some little part of me, Lily, that's reluctant even to say it, so there's my vanity.
00:43:48.000That pornography was analogue and on bits of paper and magazines, and you had to get it like Indiana Jones.
00:43:59.000Right there, I've got a pornographic magazine from my dad's bedroom or some lads at school.
00:44:04.000It was not like something that was just...
00:44:10.000And so sex, even the feeling of sex and the wonder and the sort of magic of sex and the excitement of sex, it was hard won.
00:44:19.000So, like, to go from that to then being able to get sort of pornography, then getting famous in sort of my, like, you know, I was like 30 really before I got famous.
00:44:28.000But also I got kind of, if I dare say it, I found it easier to attract mates from when I was around 16, 17, 18. You know, sort of women liked me.
00:44:38.000Like, it really felt like, oh, wow, this is incredible.
00:44:42.000And I don't think I was capable of having a clear and objective perspective of what sex was doing for me, what it was doing for the other person involved, and it's...
00:44:55.000Because I think our culture doesn't handle sex very well.
00:44:59.000Like, most young men, like now, there's going to be generations of men growing up, and their understanding of sex, or one of the first things that's going to be hitting them around sex, is your escapades, if I may call them that, Lily, I don't want to be at all derisory about it, or judgmental, or judgmental, because I'm in no position to judge you.
00:45:19.000Nor is anyone in any position to judge you.
00:45:22.000So, like, what I feel like is that, you know, having, when the floodgates opened and I could just have sex whenever I wanted to, it's not dissimilar to what you're describing of, like, oh, I went to college and maybe I was going to do nutrition and then I'm realising that OnlyFans is making money and I kind of like it.
00:45:42.000Well, for me, I've always had this joy of exuberance in performance and the exuberance of performance and the exuberance of sex felt pretty well aligned, I have to say.
00:46:23.000I mean, whenever attractive women are used to sell chocolate or yogurt or automobiles, it's on the spectrum with what you and I are discussing.
00:46:31.000So, again, there's no sort of moral high ground.
00:46:34.000But one thing I wanted to bring to you is, my wife actually was talking about someone she knew where there was an exercise or fitness instructor who was also one of my OnlyFans.
00:46:44.000When I heard that, this is what I felt, mate.
00:46:48.000That means, I'm thinking about myself when I'm 17. If it would have been possible that you could see a mum at a school or a...
00:46:57.000Teacher or anyone, actually, and then somewhere else you could go and pay money and see that person take their clothes off and perform the most intimate things.
00:47:06.000I don't know what would have happened to me psychologically.
00:47:10.000That's just so overwhelming and so ridiculous and so exciting.
00:47:14.000But also, it's reducing everybody to a kind of object.
00:47:18.000Now, I don't think sex is the only way we do that.
00:47:20.000I think we look at relationships transactionally in a general way.
00:47:28.000You know, you now, I guess you're in LA, so you're going to be hooking up with people that are influential.
00:47:32.000And if I do this with that person, sooner or later someone's going to suggest that you have sex with Jake Paul and Logan Paul or everyone in the Paul family.
00:47:42.000You know, all of these things are available to us.
00:48:22.000What is it, what it was doing to me and what it's done to me and what it's done to other people, actually, the impact it's had on people.
00:48:30.000And I feel like this is something that we, I feel like we have to, we have to discuss because I, I believe that it's, I believe that it's real, mate.
00:48:40.000And when you said the thing about, like, not wanting to disappoint the men that travel a long way to sleep with you or feeling encroached upon by the camera crew, I wonder what you, Recognise that feeling as being in yourself, where you feel like it comes from.
00:48:59.000You know what, I'm just a people pleaser and it was making me feel awkward, the kind of conversation.
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00:53:36.000I've got, like, me, see, I go to 12-step groups.
00:53:41.000Also, on top of that, I have friends that I can speak to really plainly about what I feel.
00:53:46.000Also, may I say, like mentors and people that have got more experience than me.
00:53:52.000And I think without those kind of relationships, I don't know what I would do with the challenges that I face in life.
00:53:59.000I reckon what it is, Lily, when you become aware of someone in the environment...
00:54:04.000You get an initial impression of them.
00:54:06.000And if someone's doing something as striking as you're doing, it's difficult for me.
00:54:11.000I feel like a sense I want to reach out to you a little bit because I suppose in the past, when I was younger and before I was married and before I had children, I suppose if I'd heard of you, I would have been happy to see you as an object and not to investigate that any further.
00:54:30.000But as an adult, And as a man of God, how I see you is a fellow child of God.
00:54:39.000And part of me feels like I wonder if there is any way I can offer you some protection.
00:54:50.000And it's very interesting because I deal with drug addicts all the time and I know if someone ain't asking for help, that means they don't want help.
00:54:57.000If someone's taking a bunch of drugs and they're having a wild old time, then they don't want you.
00:55:03.000They want you to just mind your own business.
00:55:06.000I felt like, mate, I put on X and you were walking around in public with sperm on your face.
00:55:17.000I'm not completely divorced from the part of myself that sees something like that and an antenna goes up, to use an image of, wow, that's an energy that I know would change my consciousness.
00:59:18.000I mean obviously before that I hadn't fucked 37 guys in a day but I was already doing some pretty extreme stuff and it was also just like you know what I'm kind of bored with maybe doing like the boy girl kind of like very just quite normal porn like very average kind of porn and I thought it would be a great way to kind of Interact with fans and yeah,
00:59:57.000What were you doing in your, if I can ask, because I know it's literally obviously your private life.
01:00:01.000What were you doing in your private life that meant that a transition from solitary pornography to group pornography was relatively effortless for you?
01:00:13.000What kind of sexual experiences were you having when you were young?
01:00:17.000And may I ask, what were your first sexual experiences or experiences of abuse?
01:00:23.000Because I would say any prepubescent experience of sex is, by definition, abuse.
01:00:30.000I mean, for me, I was quite a late bloomer, funnily enough.
01:00:41.000Yeah, well, you had sex when you were like 16 or 17 or something.
01:00:45.000Yeah, 17 with a boyfriend at the time.
01:00:49.000And then when I went off to university, that's when I kind of started to do, like, have threesomes and gangbangs and explore my really, like, sexual side.
01:01:05.000You went to Sheffield University, good little university, and you started just hanging out with guys and probably while your friends were, I don't know, people watching this were able to discern for themselves.
01:01:16.000I feel like a lot of times when I'm talking about one person that's had threesomes and had sex with multiple women at the same time, a bunch, because of being famous and stuff, I feel like when I'm talking about that, most people I talk to aren't like, yeah, I've done, most people have not done that.
01:01:33.000Like, yeah, when I was having sex with five people at once or three people, people were just meeting each other the first time around my house and crawling all over my body like I was in an amusement park.
01:02:13.000Because I'm trying to, even looking at this as a grown man, I'm thinking if when I was 16 or 17, I would have been terrified of you actually.
01:02:20.000But if when I was like, I don't know, 20, 25, if I met someone that was like, I'm right up for it.
01:02:26.000Because obviously that happened to me a bunch, and those are the women that I had, but real incredible, what I would have regarded then as adventures with, and now I'd perhaps have a different perspective on.
01:02:36.000But tell me, mate, what's going on in college where you're departing from the vanilla path, let's call it?
01:02:44.000I mean, obviously, coming from a girl's perspective, it's so much easier as a girl to be able to...
01:02:50.000get sex and have sex with a lot of people so much easier and genuinely just going out like drinking and it wasn't usually even like planned or anything like that I'd just end up back at a party there'd be some guys there and I would fuck them kind of thing and that was kind of that really honestly though it was just like I guess When I started to,
01:03:17.000like, have casual sex, like, after my first boyfriend, I kind of realised, like, how much I loved it.
01:03:25.000I think, especially in comparison to my friends who, you know, were kind of not having sex with as many partners as me, you know.
01:03:34.000I kind of just realised that this was for me and I did enjoy having sex with a lot of people.
01:03:39.000Were you drunk in them early experiences?
01:04:30.000Do you feel, you might be aware, I don't know if you are, that there's a kind of cultural argument, Lily, around whether...
01:04:38.000Women that are doing what you're doing are being exploited and in particular and obviously exploited by men.
01:04:46.000And I would say it's sort of a fair argument.
01:04:48.000The other side of it is that part of female empowerment is taking ownership of sex and that in a sexual dynamic it's sort of easy to think if men are travelling around the world or paying money that you have the power in that dynamic.
01:05:04.000It's easy to see how that argument would be made.
01:05:13.000It's funny, really, because before OnlyFans, obviously, the porn industry was really booming.
01:05:20.000And at that point, that was when girls like me had, like, agents or pimps that would get them these jobs.
01:05:29.000And kind of, I wouldn't be surprised forcing them into having these jobs and doing the more extreme stuff.
01:05:35.000You know, now you're going to go on to do an anal, double anal, triple anal, like, it goes on.
01:05:41.000And now, obviously, we have OnlyFans, which I think, personally, is a great platform to be able to explore your kinks without someone telling you what to do and, you know, without the man there taking that percentage of you and kind of egging you on to do things.
01:06:01.000I mean, as I've acknowledged in the past, I've paid for sex.
01:06:05.000And you kind of have a feeling that...
01:06:07.000The women in that dynamic, in fact, a near certainty that the women in that dynamic are being exploited, that it's not an empowered and direct transaction, I suppose.
01:06:18.000But I would say that looking at things now, I don't see how it ever could be.
01:06:24.000What you're doing with OnlyFans, in a sense, is comparable to what's happening online everywhere, that there ain't layers of brokerage anymore.
01:06:32.000Even in media, the world has exploded because now centralised organisations like the BBC or New York Times aren't able to pimp information, aren't able to gatekeep and control information.
01:06:46.000But I'd never thought before of how that...
01:06:49.000When you apply that to the commodification of sex, one aspect of that is you now, what you're saying is you're the top of your hierarchy.
01:07:01.000There's no, and I suppose OnlyFans extract some kind of commission as a result of their software or whatever.
01:07:08.000But you should be getting a special deal with them, by the way, because you're in a sense of brand.
01:07:32.000That's cutting the content and who's...
01:07:35.000Yeah, so I've just gone on the internet and found staff and outsourced them and they're self-employed so I just pay them their invoice kind of thing.
01:07:46.000There's no percentage being taken or anything like that.
01:07:49.000I have no management or anything like that.
01:07:52.000In a way, you're an entrepreneur and a businesswoman and it's kind of super impressive.
01:07:57.000And I try to look at it like, well, if it was a food blog and your food blog had blown up and you were like, I'm going to cook for 100 people.
01:08:06.000I suppose I would look at it like, and maybe culturally we would look at it as kind of, I don't know, just a straight out plain success story.
01:08:22.000And what we're discussing is whether or not sex is sacred.
01:08:24.000No one's arguing about whether sex is powerful or not.
01:08:26.000We're discussing whether or not it's sacred.
01:08:28.000Like, the power of sex is enough that the whole culture, even people that will be condemning you, because you're aware of that, aren't you, Lily?
01:08:50.000Like, I suppose some of it, but I'm religious, and that's why it's from the position of a religious position that I would 100% not condemn you, and why I am reaching out to you with a kind of...
01:10:52.000But, like, I would say, That some of the people that are condemning you, like, oh, this is disgusting, have themselves looked at OnlyFans and potentially look at pornography.
01:11:08.000So they're disgusted about something that's in themselves.
01:11:11.000And I wonder what kind of partner you think it is.
01:11:15.000That on one hand you have this phenomena of men that are paying a bunch of money online that are afraid of women, that don't know how to talk to women, how to charm women, and are very sort of hateful of women.
01:11:29.000You kind of emerging like some extraordinary pornographic phoenix, not from the ashes, but from another substance I won't put too much time into describing.
01:11:58.000But people could say the same thing about getting a tattoo when you're young.
01:12:02.000What do you think about the thing that most interests me is not, like, damning and judgment.
01:12:07.000Because I think a lot of that damning and judgment comes from prurience.
01:12:10.000Prurience means that they're kind of excited about it and don't want to own their own excitement.
01:12:15.000And I can feel that on the edge of my own mind.
01:12:19.000On the edge of my own mind, I can feel the part of me that's like, oh, my God, this woman is so, like, this is fascinating and compelling that a woman would do this.
01:12:27.000And I know that if I was younger and if I was in the game, as it were, in inverted commas, I would be fascinated and I'd want to be involved.
01:12:38.000But I can feel that like a shadow on the edge of myself.
01:12:43.000As a man who believes above all else in the sacred, that there is something glorious and special about human beings, that there is something, that you are a child of God, that you are a child of God, that's what I want to say to you, that you are special and that you are beautiful and that you are sacred and you deserve to be cherished and treasured in every aspect of your life and that any choices you make, they are your choices to make, but there is somewhere for you to go.
01:13:12.000Where you will be loved, embraced and accepted and cleansed.
01:13:18.000And I want you to know that that's real, Lily, beyond all of this.
01:13:22.000Because when I look at now myself and what my sexual adventures and my sexual excitement did for me and where it led, I wish that someone, me or God or someone, could reach through time and say, you are special.
01:13:42.000You are special, and you deserve to be looked after and loved.
01:14:37.000Yeah, 23. So you're so young, and you're a baby, actually, from my perspective.
01:14:44.000So I didn't, like, when I was speaking to you, I thought, this is like, I'm speaking to any 23-year-old.
01:14:50.000If I was speaking to myself when I was 23, you know, I wouldn't expect to get a lot back over the net when it comes to the nature of God and salvation and the depths of my sexual, and what the consequences could be of my sexual conduct.
01:15:10.000I recognise something of a gulf between us.
01:15:14.000But what I do want to leave you with is someone that says that you're not religious.
01:15:19.000You are spiritual because it's your nature.
01:15:23.000The person that's experiencing the joy behind the sex, the power behind the sex, the power behind the attention that you're getting, the possibility that this is worthwhile, exciting, will lead to things, is fulfilling.
01:15:39.000The person that's experiencing that is sanctified and in God.
01:15:43.000I just want to leave you, Lily, with the invitation and possibility that one day you might want to have a conversation about how you feel, moments of quietness and stillness where something comes to you and you feel like you need comfort or you feel lost or you feel a brokenness.
01:16:07.000And in that, I want you to know that there is a path for you and that you are special and that you are lovely and beloved and that you don't have to do anything that you don't want to do.
01:16:19.000And I know you aren't doing anything you don't want to do.
01:16:22.000If ever you find yourself in that position, then know that there is a path and a light for you.
01:18:12.000on, switch on, switch on. Switch on, switch on. Many switching, switch on, switch on. Switch in, switch switch on. Switch in, switch on, switch on, switch off.