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00:02:29.000 Hello there, you awakening wonder.

00:02:34.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:36.000 It's a super special episode with Lily Phillips.

00:02:40.000 In a way, it's a kind of clash of the titans of promiscuity.

00:02:44.000 Me as a former denizen of that world of hedonism, epicureanism and mad lasciviousness, now redeemed, saved.

00:02:54.000 Listen, before coming to Christ, I recognised that a life of monogamy was going to be advantageous, but it's a brilliant conversation that talks about the commodification of sex, the objectification of people, and how that actually happens beyond.

00:03:07.000 Just sex.

00:03:08.000 You know, looking at people in just economic terms would be another example of that.

00:03:11.000 And we talk about Lily Phillips as a kind of entrepreneur and businesswoman.

00:03:16.000 And if you extract the sanctity and sacredness from sex, which many people from across the political and cultural spectrum are attempting to do, then what's wrong with wandering the streets with effluvia on your face?

00:03:28.000 It is an interesting question, and it's one of the questions that we discuss.

00:03:32.000 We'll also be looking at my island, the United Kingdom.

00:03:37.000 A man born there who loves the country and what's happening there under the bizarre stewardship of Keir Starmer, duplicitous authoritarian and legislator, a man who seems determined to turn the United Kingdom.

00:03:54.000 We'll be looking at that.

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00:04:40.000 Let's get into today's first story about Keir Starmer.

00:04:44.000 The Lily Phillips interview will be coming up soon, so be sure to stay.

00:04:49.000 With us for that, because Lily Phillips is a woman who can handle a marathon. 1.00

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00:04:59.000 I will tell you that.

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00:05:17.000 You may not have been able to visit a newborn baby or watch your grandmother die in hospital, but Keir Starmer, Prime Minister of the UK's larynx, why?

00:05:27.000 That is an issue of international importance.

00:05:31.000 Hello there, you awake and wonder.

00:05:33.000 Thank you for joining me every day, Monday to Thursday, for our Rumble stream on Stay Free, where we talk about things that matter, like hypocrisy and deception, like globalist leaders who claim they care for you, breaking the rules that they endorse.

00:05:48.000 During the pandemic...

00:05:50.000 The Labour Party, that's our centre-left globalist party that runs the UK, weren't in power.

00:05:55.000 And they derided and condemned Boris Johnson, centre-right politician, for breaking Covid rules.

00:06:02.000 They had parties.

00:06:03.000 They had fun.

00:06:04.000 They had a gay old time of it there in Westminster and Downing Street while you were locked in your home, surf, while you were told what to do, while you were taking medications that hadn't been trialled or tested in the manner that you were told they had been, while Pfizer and Moderna were making profits, while you were taking medications that hadn't been trialled or tested in the manner that you were told they had been, while Pfizer and Moderna were making profits, Keir Starmer was getting his larynx interfered with, and Boris Johnson was partying like it were 1999 and 0.96

00:06:37.000 So what is this story about? 0.88

00:06:39.000 It's a story about hypocrisy and deception.

00:06:43.000 is a story about leaders like Gavin Newsom or Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer across the Atlantic, across the Isles, across political divides, believing that they're different from us, believing that they can set laws, vague laws.

00:06:57.000 Then they can decide who on a paddleboard might have to be dragged off and imprisoned in Gavin Newsom's California, not necessarily imprisoned, and who is able to just do what they want.

00:07:08.000 Is it?

00:07:09.000 This is all of course, resurfacing and being discussed in light of the fact that Keir Starmer, on Christmas Eve, during the pandemic, had his voice...

00:07:18.000 Leonie Mellinger, a name that sounds like a kind of vocal exercise, Leonie Mellinger, Leonie Mellinger, Leonie Mellinger, over on Christmas Eve, while you couldn't watch, I don't know, elderly relatives die, or babies be born, or go to church, or do anything, because actually what was being advanced during that period, if you don't know yet, was the normalisation of mass control, the normalisation of mass medical programmes.

00:07:47.000 Things were put before us, I would say, and normalised.

00:07:50.000 And I would say that's something we have to be alert to to this day, regardless of what political party is in government, because Keir Starmer, who made bold claims that he would resign if ever he was found to have breached Covid laws, guess what?

00:08:02.000 Guess what?

00:08:03.000 Breached Covid laws.

00:08:04.000 How extraordinary that these people...

00:08:07.000 How extraordinary that these people that are not willing to do inquiries into actual rape gangs break laws.

00:08:13.000 How extraordinary that these people that have clandestine meetings with the CIA about Julian Assange, as some would say, don't act morally around issues like free speech or freedom more generally.

00:08:24.000 Let's have a look at how this story broke in the UK about Keir Starmer.

00:08:29.000 Two-tier Kia, Kia Starmageddon, having voice coaching during the pandemic.

00:08:35.000 And you might think, oh, this is a while ago, but it's a litmus test for how they conduct themselves.

00:08:40.000 We're always talking about moral authority and righteousness and ethics and how people behave now and how people behaved in the past.

00:08:45.000 Well, here are people with actual power.

00:08:47.000 And by power, I mean the ability to tax you and take your money.

00:08:51.000 And send it to a foreign country to perpetuate a war. 0.96

00:08:54.000 By power, I mean the ability to ensure that people without trial can be incarcerated in Belmarsh.

00:09:01.000 That's Julian Assange, of course.

00:09:02.000 I'm talking about real economic and military power.

00:09:06.000 So their morality matters.

00:09:08.000 At least that's what I think.

00:09:09.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:09:11.000 Let's take a look at this Keir Starmer story about lawbreaker Keir and his larynx adjustments.

00:09:20.000 During a time of respiratory pandemic, apparent respiratory pandemic.

00:09:25.000 Also, don't you always ask the question, what did they know that we didn't know?

00:09:29.000 Because remember, the lockdown wasn't meant to be a punishment.

00:09:32.000 They weren't locking you in your home to hurt you.

00:09:34.000 Remember, they were doing it to protect you.

00:09:36.000 So you're applying those protections to yourself and the people you love.

00:09:40.000 No.

00:09:41.000 Ha! 0.89

00:09:42.000 Ha! 0.89

00:09:43.000 Maybe we can't trust them.

00:09:46.000 When it comes to anything, if they knew, for example, that the coronavirus was not so serious that you shouldn't see people, they knew that then.

00:09:53.000 They didn't tell you because it weren't convenient.

00:09:56.000 Let's have a look at this story.

00:10:00.000 This is a British equivalent of one of those morning shows you have in America with a former Chancellor, I believe, Ed Balls, or at least Shadow Chancellor, who became secondarily famous when he went on one of those dancing shows that people go on and make you realise they were never serious about politics in the first place.

00:10:15.000 Let's see what he says now as a media stooge about this subject.

00:10:18.000 And I've not watched it yet, so maybe he gives a brilliant line of inquiry and analysis.

00:10:23.000 Let's see.

00:10:23.000 The Prime Minister was asked about it last night.

00:10:26.000 It's in a new book.

00:10:27.000 By Patrick Maguire, Gabriel Pogren, called Get In.

00:10:30.000 And it concerns what happened.

00:10:33.000 Get in.

00:10:34.000 That's what we've got to do.

00:10:35.000 Get in.

00:10:36.000 Once we get in, then we can govern fairly and justly and help people, which is what we're all about.

00:10:42.000 Get in.

00:10:43.000 So it's a new book about the tactics deployed by Labour to get in to office.

00:10:48.000 Astonishing.

00:10:49.000 Concerns what happened at Christmas 2020 during the lockdown.

00:10:53.000 Also, get in is what you had to do.

00:10:55.000 Get in your house.

00:10:57.000 Also, get in is what those vaccines had to do into your arm.

00:11:00.000 Get in.

00:11:01.000 Get in line.

00:11:02.000 Do as you're told.

00:11:03.000 Don't ask any questions.

00:11:04.000 And if you do ask questions, we've got a policy for that as well.

00:11:07.000 Down.

00:11:08.000 Boris Johnson had announced that London, the South East had gone into full lockdown again.

00:11:14.000 And that book reports that on Christmas Eve, the prime minister had a visit from his voice.

00:11:22.000 Christmas Eve visit.

00:11:24.000 Who is he?

00:11:25.000 Scrooge!

00:11:25.000 On Christmas Eve, you will be visited by...

00:11:29.000 The ghost of Christmas present?

00:11:31.000 No, a voice coach.

00:11:33.000 No one likes that nasal droning voice you've got, Keir.

00:11:36.000 It's annoying, people.

00:11:37.000 Oh, well, it is annoying, isn't it?

00:11:40.000 Immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

00:11:42.000 The return of the sausages.

00:11:44.000 The hostages.

00:11:45.000 His voice coach called Leonie Melinger and that she qualified according to the book for key worker status.

00:12:09.000 At that time, we weren't allowed to meet families and friends in more than groups of six, and people weren't going to work other than for key workers.

00:12:18.000 When you look up...

00:12:19.000 The definition of key worker at the time, these were people delivering vital frontline services.

00:12:25.000 Now, you as a health minister...

00:12:27.000 Quick! 1.00

00:12:27.000 It's an emergency! 1.00

00:12:29.000 What is it?

00:12:30.000 Keir Starmer's voice is annoying!

00:12:33.000 That's...

00:12:34.000 It's not like food.

00:12:35.000 It's not like a St. Bernard rescuing someone in the snow on an alpine range.

00:12:41.000 Help me!

00:12:43.000 Yes, what is it?

00:12:45.000 My voice is a bit annoying.

00:12:47.000 It's not like that guy that had to saw his arm off because he was trapped in a creek.

00:12:51.000 Help me.

00:12:52.000 Help me.

00:12:53.000 I need vocal support.

00:12:54.000 My voice is a bit annoying.

00:12:56.000 Keir Starmer's voice might be a bit annoying, but it's not an emergency, and helping it to be less annoying is not key work, particularly when what he says with his still annoying voice is mostly lies.

00:13:12.000 Incendiary rhetoric which prioritises the encroachment on free speech and the penalisation of free speech over, for example, inquiring into rape gangs.

00:13:22.000 Don't look into that rape gang.

00:13:23.000 No, no, what did you say?

00:13:24.000 Don't do an inquiry into those rape gangs.

00:13:27.000 Can you just...

00:13:28.000 I can't understand what you're saying.

00:13:29.000 I said...

00:13:30.000 I said, don't post that on Facebook or you're looking at five years!

00:13:35.000 As a health minister, talking all the time to nurses, to care workers, Key workers.

00:13:42.000 If they are angry that at the time the Prime Minister's voice coach was treated as a key worker and say, what are you talking about? 0.94

00:13:52.000 That's ridiculous.

00:13:53.000 What would you say to them? 0.98

00:13:54.000 Look, it was a terrible time for all of us, wasn't it?

00:13:58.000 And we're starting to see again the sort of mudslinging that we saw before by some of the Conservatives.

00:14:03.000 Yeah, it's a terrible time, you know, because the mudslinging, we all remember it was mostly the mudslinging. 0.99

00:14:08.000 No, it wasn't mudslinging that was annoying. 0.87

00:14:10.000 What it was was a globalist coup that put people in their homes, shamed people if they wouldn't take medicine, controlled information and normalised the control and censorship of free speech online, that demonstrated...

00:14:24.000 Integration of government agencies like the FBI, CIA and presumably British equivalents into social media sites that normalise the idea that the government should be in control of what you're able to discuss.

00:14:34.000 People that had vaccine injuries were shamed and censored and still to this day vaccine companies have indemnity and any payouts that the vaccine injured, because they have been injured, receive will come from the same government, ultimately making us pay for this stuff like two or three times while encroaching continually.

00:14:52.000 On our freedoms.

00:14:53.000 It weren't about mudslinging, it was about corruption. 0.88

00:14:55.000 ...around that at this time when we know that there are actual real parties going on at this time.

00:15:01.000 Real parties, you know, real parties, real parties is the problem.

00:15:06.000 Real parties, voice coaches, it amounts to the same thing.

00:15:09.000 You lot do this.

00:15:11.000 We're going to do that because we're better than you.

00:15:13.000 We understand reality better than you.

00:15:15.000 How else could we make claims to be able to control your free speech or demand that you take medications or demand that you fund foreign wars or put you in jail for speaking openly or any of the...

00:15:25.000 Thousands of everyday corruptions that flow out of centralised power.

00:15:30.000 How could we legitimise it except unless we thought we were better than you and therefore exempted from rules that you, you surf class, have to obey?

00:15:39.000 We couldn't do it.

00:15:40.000 So what this story does is just exposes something that you all know to be true, that you've always known to be true.

00:15:46.000 They think they're better than you.

00:15:48.000 They think they should be out of control of you.

00:15:50.000 They say there is no God, so they can lay claim to the power that only that God can responsibly handle.

00:15:57.000 Going on at this time.

00:15:59.000 I'm not a conservative, and I'm just reporting what's in the book.

00:16:02.000 I'm just asking, factually, is the Prime Minister's voice coach a key worker on Christmas Eve?

00:16:11.000 His voice is quite annoying.

00:16:13.000 I mean, have you heard his voice?

00:16:18.000 Oh yeah, no, it's kind of an emergency.

00:16:20.000 The return of the sausages.

00:16:22.000 Please, please, it's Christmas Eve and we've got to do something about the sausages.

00:16:27.000 I mean hostages!

00:16:29.000 On Christmas Eve 2020, yes or no?

00:16:32.000 So my understanding of the Tier 4 at that time in London is that people were working and that this was part of working for presentations that the now Prime Minister had to make.

00:16:47.000 Well, I actually think if you look up the definition of key worker at the time, it was those needed to run the justice system, religious staff, charities and workers delivering key frontline services, and in government, administrative occupations, delivering effective delivery of the COVID-19 response.

00:17:05.000 Now, is the Prime Minister's voice...

00:17:08.000 Actually, your voice is quite annoying.

00:17:10.000 You should get a voice coach yourself.

00:17:12.000 Now, listen, this is what I consider to be, like, maybe voice coaches...

00:17:16.000 Maybe voice coaching is absolutely vital when these various conduits of propaganda and deception are conveying their duplicitous message.

00:17:24.000 Is the Prime Minister's voice coach vital to delivering a key frontline service or the effective delivery of the COVID-19 response?

00:17:32.000 Because that is a key worker.

00:17:35.000 So my understanding is that at that time, a tier four in London, that people were at work for work-related reasons.

00:17:43.000 So not just key workers.

00:17:45.000 My understanding is that people are at work for work-related reasons.

00:17:50.000 How exhausting.

00:17:51.000 How exhausting to be a contemporary politician and just have to hold aloft an umbrella of perpetual deception continually.

00:17:57.000 My understanding isn't as key words.

00:18:00.000 I'm just exhausted.

00:18:01.000 As a person who presumably had goals and aims in life to get into government, to make a difference, to represent maybe the interests of women or the dispossessed, there could be countless various ways that a person might, with idealism, enter into politics.

00:18:13.000 And what do you find yourself doing? 0.97

00:18:15.000 Just reiterating some dumb... 0.99

00:18:17.000 Emphatic lump of language to protect the corrupt and ensure that varieties of corruption can continue as usual, whoever is in a position of power. 0.97

00:18:27.000 Because while we're talking about that, what we're not talking about is, wait a minute, wait a minute, weren't we censoring people during that pandemic period for talking about their own actual vaccine injuries?

00:18:36.000 Weren't we locking people in their homes?

00:18:38.000 Doesn't this point to the fact that...

00:18:40.000 There is some kind of weird, ulterior global power that temporarily and inadvertently revealed itself during that COVID pandemic when governments across the world cooperated in merry tyranny, whether it was in Canada with the truckers, or in the UK with the lies, or Gavin Newsom with his parties, or the enormous corporations that made tremendous profits, or the revelation that Bill Gates...

00:19:09.000 This is somehow involved in all of this and manufacturing vaccines and donating to the WHO. And that across the world, there are systems of power that conceal themselves.

00:19:18.000 And this, even this explanation that this politician is offering, is part of the masquerade and facade that defines contemporary politics and power as the real forces manoeuvre behind it, ensuring that we remain controlled, unable to act with sovereignty and potency.

00:19:36.000 It was okay because she was a key worker.

00:19:39.000 You're saying it was okay because she was a worker, whether she's a key worker or not.

00:19:43.000 I can't comment on the book or where the journalists had that information from.

00:19:49.000 I mean, that is a bit of a hypothetical for me at this point.

00:19:52.000 Okay.

00:19:53.000 Yeah, it's all hypothetical if there is no actual moral authority at the heart of leadership.

00:19:58.000 Here is Keir Starmer, the man with the most flexible larynx in Westminster.

00:20:02.000 Saying that if he was ever found guilty of breaking Covid rules, he would resign.

00:20:07.000 But if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice, I would, of course, do the right thing and step down.

00:20:19.000 It was politically expedient to say that then because Boris Johnson was found to have done wrong in having all those parties when he was the Prime Minister.

00:20:27.000 One thing I would say is that Keir Starmer's voice during that sounded...

00:20:31.000 Ever since the first Covid lockdown, I've always followed the rules.

00:20:36.000 In that time, the British people have made heart-wrenching sacrifices.

00:20:42.000 People were left desperately...

00:20:45.000 He's so close to saying sausages again, isn't he?

00:20:48.000 Keir Starmer famously said sausages when he meant hostages.

00:20:51.000 That means that he can probably never be allowed in Middle Eastern peace negotiations again.

00:20:58.000 I will not leave here till I get every last sausage.

00:21:01.000 Just give him the sausages. 0.93

00:21:03.000 Make sure they're halal. 1.00

00:21:04.000 No, don't even do that! 0.64

00:21:05.000 The sausages were separately lonely.

00:21:07.000 They were separated from family and friends.

00:21:11.000 Tragically, many were unable to see dying loved ones.

00:21:15.000 Many were unable to have even the most rudimentary vocal...

00:21:19.000 Coaching.

00:21:19.000 And one man I know in Leicestershire was at least an octave too low when speaking to his greengrocer from six feet away through an unnecessary mask.

00:21:29.000 Six feet was unnecessary at all.

00:21:31.000 La la la la! 0.99

00:21:33.000 Dying loved ones.

00:21:35.000 This was a collective sacrifice.

00:21:38.000 I was involved.

00:21:39.000 I barely had any voice listens.

00:21:40.000 La la la la! 0.99

00:21:42.000 Sacrifice.

00:21:44.000 People were entitled to expect.

00:21:46.000 That politicians would follow the same rules as everyone else.

00:21:51.000 La la la la! 0.99

00:21:54.000 Everyone else.

00:21:55.000 When my mother-in-law passed away suddenly just before the lockdown, I immediately went to a voice coach and said, can you please coach some sort of never-ending living spirit out of this woman? 0.99

00:22:10.000 Can you raise her up from the dead?

00:22:12.000 How good a voice coach!

00:22:15.000 Are you?

00:22:15.000 Do you even know it's Christmas?

00:22:19.000 My wife and I were unable to provide her father with the support we wanted to afterwards.

00:22:26.000 Because we followed the rules.

00:22:32.000 Barely a day has passed where we haven't agonised over that decision.

00:22:37.000 But we did it.

00:22:39.000 Because we followed the rules.

00:22:41.000 So you better hope those rules are not being set by...

00:22:44.000 Corrupt globalist interests by unelected bodies like NATO or the WEF. I will do whatever my overlords demand I do.

00:22:55.000 La la la la! 0.99

00:22:57.000 Because we followed the rules.

00:23:00.000 We all found the rules frustrating at times, and I'm no exception to that.

00:23:05.000 I had to isolate six times during Covid. 0.99

00:23:09.000 I wish you'd fucking isolate now! 0.99

00:23:11.000 Pulling me away from my work. 0.99

00:23:14.000 And the things that I love.

00:23:16.000 I could barely put anyone in prison for free speech or condone any rape gangs at all.

00:23:22.000 For the entire time I was on lockdown.

00:23:24.000 La la la la! 0.99

00:23:26.000 But I did it because we followed the rules.

00:23:30.000 The idea that I would then casually break those rules is wrong.

00:23:37.000 And frankly, I don't believe those accusing me believe it themselves.

00:23:42.000 They are just trying to feed cynicism to get the public to believe all politicians are the same.

00:23:50.000 I mean, they are, though, aren't they?

00:23:52.000 And that does feed cynicism. 0.94

00:23:53.000 My cynicism feels really nourished by that, by that speech, by that grandiosity, by the poor delivery of the sentiment.

00:24:00.000 They're just trying to be like gits. 0.99

00:24:03.000 They're worms. 1.00

00:24:04.000 They're worms in Satan's bum. 0.99

00:24:06.000 I'm here to say that they're not. 0.97

00:24:09.000 I believe in honour.

00:24:13.000 Integrity and the principle that those who make the laws must follow them.

00:24:19.000 Some people actually do know what you're supposed to do.

00:24:22.000 It's just they don't do it.

00:24:24.000 And I believe that politicians who undermine that principle undermine trust in politics.

00:24:31.000 Here we go.

00:24:32.000 He's getting somewhere.

00:24:33.000 He's going to say something now that he's going to have to act on.

00:24:35.000 Trust in politics undermine our democracy and undermine Britain.

00:24:41.000 And should therefore...

00:24:43.000 I'm absolutely clear that no laws were broken.

00:24:47.000 They were followed at all times.

00:24:50.000 I simply had something to eat while working late in the evening.

00:24:58.000 I was simply snacking away on a voice coach.

00:25:02.000 She tickling my larynx. 0.93

00:25:04.000 I have an unusual shaped family.

00:25:07.000 Hey, who's to judge the way I get my clothes or what donations are made and what I consider to be vital?

00:25:15.000 All corruption can be understood in one man's piety and righteousness, in his confidence and certainty that it's his opponents that feed cynicism while he feeds hope.

00:25:26.000 How must he reframe that speech made then, now that we know that he did break the rules?

00:25:32.000 And wouldn't a person...

00:25:33.000 With the integrity that he lays claim to there, absolutely resign right now.

00:25:40.000 Or are we going to believe that a vocal coach is a key worker and that Keir Starmer's voice is like the harp of David?

00:25:50.000 Playing mellifluous melodies of absolute truth into the heart of the governed.

00:25:54.000 I find that a little difficult to believe, but maybe I just ain't got the right voice coach.

00:26:00.000 But that's just what I think.

00:26:01.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

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00:27:54.000 Now, you've seen that the United Kingdom is in a place of disrepute and disrepair, perhaps because of bad globalist governors and leaders.

00:28:00.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.

00:28:03.000 Wherever you're watching us now, X, YouTube, or wherever, surely you have the appetite to see some authentic English voices talking about something that matters.

00:28:12.000 And what matters more than sex, the power of creation and creativity itself, perhaps the act in which we are most like God, where there is a requirement for sanctity, where there is a requirement to acknowledge sanctity and beauty and love and truth.

00:28:30.000 I haven't always lived like that.

00:28:32.000 Of course, I was a very promiscuous, hedonistic individual.

00:28:35.000 That's why I was fascinated to talk to Lily Phillips.

00:28:37.000 Lily Phillips is a... 1.00

00:28:39.000 Lily Phillips is an OnlyFans model and cultural phenomenon undertaking online escapades that celebrate the orgiastic, having it off with like 35 guys one day, having sex with 100 men in an afternoon, reaching numerical records in a place that many people still consider to be sacred. 0.96

00:29:00.000 But wow, I remember there was a time where I felt like I was being celebrated as a womanizer, celebrated for sleeping with hundreds and...

00:29:10.000 It's something that for a number of reasons, some of which are pretty obvious, I've come to regard in a very, very different light.

00:29:16.000 That's why I'm fascinated to speak with Lily Phillips, my fellow English person, my fellow person potentially caught in a whirlwind of the power of carnality.

00:29:27.000 Lily Phillips, thanks so much for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:29:32.000 No, thank you so much for having me on.

00:29:33.000 I appreciate it.

00:29:35.000 I'm obviously fascinated to talk to you on this basis.

00:29:38.000 You know, I've been famous, I guess, for a long time and so much of my fame has been connected to sex and sexuality.

00:29:47.000 The books that I wrote, like my autobiography, really cover, I think it begins with me in a sex addiction treatment centre.

00:29:56.000 When I was a famous person, I was notorious, famous for my promiscuity.

00:30:01.000 I've acknowledged that in the past I paid for sex and openly admit that I've had addiction issues around sex.

00:30:08.000 It's been further complicated by the fact that some pretty serious allegations in our country have been made against me, which are untrue.

00:30:16.000 I recognised that I created conditions through my misuse of sexual power.

00:30:23.000 My misuse of sexual power.

00:30:24.000 Like sex is a, I believe now, and this is what I want to talk to you about, that sex is sacred and extremely powerful.

00:30:31.000 And that when I lived a life where I used sex like it was a kind of leisure activity and used my fame to access sex in ways that are spiritually It's difficult, spiritually difficult, because you have a kind of power when you're famous.

00:30:51.000 You'll start to experience it now, I suppose, your own version of it.

00:30:55.000 And when you have that power, it allows things to happen that are perhaps beyond certain moral boundaries, I would call it.

00:31:06.000 So the reason I want to talk to you is because...

00:31:10.000 In a way, you're an example of so many modern phenomena.

00:31:15.000 Internet fame, you know, you didn't used to get people being famous because of Instagram, and it's even more niche to be famous from OnlyFans.

00:31:23.000 And because what you've done is so sort of explicit and overt.

00:31:28.000 And I wanted to talk to you human to human about the impact and power of sex.

00:31:33.000 And I suppose let's start with, how did you...

00:31:37.000 Get into being an OnlyFans model and what's been your experience of how that's escalated?

00:31:45.000 Yeah so I mean growing up I was always very very sexual.

00:31:50.000 I could tell amongst my friends like I always loved sex a lot more than my friends even.

00:31:54.000 Like when I was 12, 13, I was always so much more curious than my mates were.

00:32:00.000 And then when it got to around, I was like 18 and I started to hear about this OnlyFans.

00:32:08.000 For me, I thought it was like the perfect job because it, you know, combines something I love, sex, with, you know, a job and like, you know, being able to monetize off that and being creative.

00:32:24.000 And so when I went off to university, I knew that what I went to university for wasn't quite what I wanted to do.

00:32:34.000 I wasn't really sure why I went to university.

00:32:36.000 I just kind of went because everyone else was.

00:32:39.000 And then that's when I was like, you know, I'm going to start an OnlyFans.

00:32:42.000 And at that time, this was like four and a half years ago.

00:32:45.000 So I didn't really know that it could do as well as it did.

00:32:51.000 I thought it might just be like a little side job while I'm at university and then yeah as soon as I got on the platform it kind of took off and I was able to kind of make good money and the job really wasn't taxing and so I kind of thought it was it was perfect.

00:33:10.000 Okay, we're going to continue our conversation exclusively on Rumble now, so click the link in the description.

00:33:15.000 I'm going to be talking to Lily more about the moral implications, the spiritual implications, and whether or not there are any boundaries to what she would do in the name of fulfilling and satiating her OnlyFans audience and whatever other drives are at the heart of this extraordinary phenomena.

00:33:32.000 Click the link in the description.

00:33:34.000 Remember, if you support us on Rumble Premium using the code BRAND, you get additional content, early access, So, initially, you've said like that...

00:33:52.000 You find sex joyful. 0.60

00:33:54.000 You enjoy it. 0.68

00:33:55.000 And, of course, sex is supposed to be joyful.

00:33:59.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:34:01.000 But also you've talked about money.

00:34:02.000 And I wonder about, like, of course, the arguments around the monetization of sex are long and ongoing moral arguments.

00:34:10.000 And I wonder why that even exists as a conversation.

00:34:14.000 I wonder why people even discuss the monetization of sex as opposed to the monetization of...

00:34:21.000 Making food.

00:34:22.000 I wonder why it's regarded as distinct from that.

00:34:25.000 When you went to university, mate, what was it that you went there to study?

00:34:32.000 It was nutrition.

00:34:35.000 So you're thinking maybe that you might become like a chef or something, I guess?

00:34:42.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:34:43.000 I just like to eat well and working out, so I thought maybe I can do that.

00:34:48.000 So fitness and wellness, you probably, I guess the age that you are, you're the kind of first generation of adults that it's conceivable that you can be an influencer, that you could be like, say, Joe Wicks, like in the world of health, or like all of the various stars that have emerged essentially out of online spaces, whether it's food or fitness, and there are incredibly niche areas now.

00:35:14.000 But I suppose because...

00:35:15.000 Sex, as I said in my introduction, is so uniquely powerful.

00:35:20.000 It seems that it requires a kind of reverence or respect.

00:35:26.000 Now, I don't know if you know, I became Christian quite recently.

00:35:33.000 And I always felt like the...

00:35:37.000 Controls around sex and rules around sex were about puritanism and control.

00:35:46.000 I really, when I was living hedonistically, I thought, oh my god, this is what it was like for me.

00:35:50.000 I felt like it was something I was really good at.

00:35:52.000 And suddenly it made me feel powerful as well and joyous and in love.

00:35:58.000 Even when I was sleeping around with lots of strangers, Lily, it felt kind of loving.

00:36:04.000 I felt like, I love these people.

00:36:06.000 This is amazing.

00:36:07.000 But sometimes it did take me to places that were pretty despairing and despondent.

00:36:11.000 I can remember occasions of having...

00:36:14.000 Sex with, like, multiple people at once.

00:36:17.000 All women, in my case. 0.98

00:36:20.000 You know, pretty vanilla, I guess.

00:36:22.000 And, like, afterwards feeling kind of broken.

00:36:27.000 And, like, you know, like, sometimes it would make me feel amazing.

00:36:30.000 Like, oh, we're all one.

00:36:31.000 This is incredible.

00:36:32.000 We're creating all of this pleasure.

00:36:34.000 But then sometimes afterwards I would feel like, whoa, I don't know about that.

00:36:38.000 Like, as if I'd been...

00:36:42.000 Contaminated, not by the individuals necessarily, but almost as if I'd been near some essence or something that shouldn't have been messed around with.

00:36:52.000 Have you ever had those feelings?

00:36:55.000 No, I do really enjoy sex.

00:37:00.000 Like you said, I get off on being with lots of people and things like that.

00:37:08.000 I feed off everyone's energy and things like that.

00:37:11.000 So for me, it is enjoyment and it is also a job.

00:37:17.000 So it's just kind of perfect for me.

00:37:20.000 I'm thinking about the moment in the film that you made when I feel like it was the day that you slept with a hundred men.

00:37:28.000 And I feel like there was a moment where you cried and were overwhelmed.

00:37:34.000 And I wonder when you reflect on that.

00:37:38.000 What do you feel that that was about, Lily?

00:37:43.000 I mean, obviously, now I look back on it, I was definitely exhausted.

00:37:47.000 And I feel as though, you know, I should have maybe set more boundaries with maybe the camera crew as to, like, give me, you know, a day to kind of actually, like...

00:38:00.000 you know take it all in because I think I kind of came straight out of having like a 14-hour sex marathon and went straight into questioning and yeah I mean it was I was definitely exhausted that's for sure and I think it was hard because with the time limit then created like sometimes people were unpleased And obviously these are people who have waited and

00:38:30.000 you know have maybe traveled far and are also like maybe fans of me and things like that and I didn't want to be...

00:38:38.000 I like to be a bit of a people pleaser.

00:38:40.000 I didn't want to let them down so I think that also created some like hostile situations where the guys were a bit like you're not going to give me more time like I've come far and I was like you know I'm trying to fuck 100 guys like I'm on a bit of a time crunch here.

00:38:54.000 So yeah that was also tricky to navigate.

00:38:58.000 It's interesting, Lily, that you say that the intimacy of being observed by a camera crew was intrusive.

00:39:05.000 So that's an acknowledgement that there are some things that require bounding and protecting.

00:39:13.000 And it's also interesting that you say that many of the male participants felt unfulfilled.

00:39:20.000 Now, what I would say is there's kind of no way that anybody could...

00:39:26.000 Be fulfilled.

00:39:27.000 Like, it's interesting when I speak to, I guess certainly before everything got on top for me in the United Kingdom with documentaries and attacks and stuff, like young men would say to me, oh my God, what's it like?

00:39:40.000 What's it like to be able to sleep with as many women as you want to? 1.00

00:39:45.000 And I would sort of say, it's kind of in some ways really, really amazing, but it's amazing mostly to know.

00:39:54.000 Something that most people will never know.

00:39:56.000 That you cannot be fulfilled by the pursuit of carnal pleasure.

00:40:01.000 That sex is not an object in itself, but a condiment, a kind of an accompaniment to love.

00:40:08.000 And also, sex is the act of the creator.

00:40:12.000 It's the act of creation, creating life. 0.95

00:40:16.000 I believe that sex is pleasurable.

00:40:18.000 Pleasurable, excuse me, Lily, because it's the act by which we create life.

00:40:22.000 It's when we are perhaps most like God.

00:40:25.000 And to misappropriate and misuse that power is transgressive, and to use a sort of a bit of an old-fashioned word, sinful.

00:40:38.000 Now, it's sort of different because men have... 0.77

00:40:43.000 I wonder what you think about this, Lily.

00:40:45.000 For men, if you didn't believe in God, from a biological perspective, men sleeping with lots of women kind of makes sense because a man don't get pregnant, a man's not going to bear the responsibility.

00:40:57.000 A man, if he wanted to, could just leave and his genes are passed on, his job's done. 0.82

00:41:02.000 For a woman, the act of sex carries a potentially quite high price as well as a potential for a great blessing of pregnancy. 0.99

00:41:10.000 And I wonder how you feel about...

00:41:15.000 How the act of sex could ever be anything else for you again?

00:41:20.000 Like, do you look at what you're...

00:41:22.000 I know this is not an absolute argument because we all do things when we're young that would not be appropriate when we're old, full stop.

00:41:29.000 But in particular, with regard to your attitude towards sex, can you imagine sex ever being sanctified again and an expression of unique and special love between you and someone that you want to spend the rest of your life with?

00:41:46.000 Not in that way.

00:41:48.000 I don't really believe in...

00:41:51.000 What's the word?

00:41:54.000 Like, I believe in...

00:41:55.000 Sorry, I'm trying to think of what's the word.

00:41:57.000 Like, I believe in having multiple partners.

00:42:01.000 I don't believe in monogamy.

00:42:03.000 That's the right word.

00:42:05.000 And so, not really.

00:42:08.000 I think sex can be special.

00:42:12.000 It doesn't necessarily mean, like, you have to just have sex with this one person for the rest of your life and make love and, you know, you're only having sex to have children.

00:42:19.000 I'm guessing is that something that you think is true, like, you only have to have sex if you want to make babies?

00:42:26.000 I've been thinking about it a lot, actually, and trying to understand it, particularly as a new Christian, because it seems like, Lily, if there is any censure against sex, Just for pleasure, then that would apply to everyone.

00:42:46.000 Because as a Christian, I'm looking at stuff around what it says in Scripture, around homosexuality, for example, and what it says in Scripture.

00:42:56.000 When I'm looking, it makes sense to me as an individual, with the experiences I've had, that the power of sex is sort of so great that it needs...

00:43:08.000 Managing, that it isn't something...

00:43:11.000 This might be a weird example, but it's sort of...

00:43:14.000 Demystifies it a little.

00:43:15.000 Like, phone use.

00:43:16.000 Because, like, the phone is such a powerful thing.

00:43:19.000 If you don't have a program around your phone, like, if you're going to, I'm just going to look at my phone whenever I feel like it, you might end up looking at your phone all the time.

00:43:27.000 You might end up looking at your phone in the dead of night.

00:43:29.000 You might end up looking at your phone instead of your children's faces. 0.97

00:43:32.000 And what I feel like with sex, like, when I was little, mate, not little, teenager and growing up, pornography... 0.85

00:43:40.000 This is going to make me sound so dreadfully old, and there's some little part of me, Lily, that's reluctant even to say it, so there's my vanity.

00:43:48.000 That pornography was analogue and on bits of paper and magazines, and you had to get it like Indiana Jones.

00:43:59.000 Right there, I've got a pornographic magazine from my dad's bedroom or some lads at school.

00:44:04.000 It was not like something that was just...

00:44:08.000 Instantaneously accessible.

00:44:10.000 And so sex, even the feeling of sex and the wonder and the sort of magic of sex and the excitement of sex, it was hard won.

00:44:19.000 So, like, to go from that to then being able to get sort of pornography, then getting famous in sort of my, like, you know, I was like 30 really before I got famous.

00:44:28.000 But also I got kind of, if I dare say it, I found it easier to attract mates from when I was around 16, 17, 18. You know, sort of women liked me.

00:44:38.000 Like, it really felt like, oh, wow, this is incredible.

00:44:42.000 And I don't think I was capable of having a clear and objective perspective of what sex was doing for me, what it was doing for the other person involved, and it's...

00:44:54.000 Power in a general way.

00:44:55.000 Because I think our culture doesn't handle sex very well.

00:44:59.000 Like, most young men, like now, there's going to be generations of men growing up, and their understanding of sex, or one of the first things that's going to be hitting them around sex, is your escapades, if I may call them that, Lily, I don't want to be at all derisory about it, or judgmental, or judgmental, because I'm in no position to judge you.

00:45:18.000 I mean, nor is anyone, actually.

00:45:19.000 Nor is anyone in any position to judge you.

00:45:22.000 So, like, what I feel like is that, you know, having, when the floodgates opened and I could just have sex whenever I wanted to, it's not dissimilar to what you're describing of, like, oh, I went to college and maybe I was going to do nutrition and then I'm realising that OnlyFans is making money and I kind of like it.

00:45:42.000 Well, for me, I've always had this joy of exuberance in performance and the exuberance of performance and the exuberance of sex felt pretty well aligned, I have to say.

00:45:51.000 They felt like they...

00:45:52.000 We're commensurate and good accompaniments for one another.

00:45:55.000 But there's two things I'm really interested in. 0.92

00:45:58.000 One is the impact of sex and sex for money and sex as performance. 0.97

00:46:04.000 On your soul, you Lily Phillips, on your precious soul and your spirit.

00:46:09.000 And also, all of us as human beings, like me, everyone, like what it does to us if we start to use sex as a kind of currency.

00:46:20.000 But that's, everyone's doing that.

00:46:22.000 I'm going to say everyone.

00:46:23.000 I mean, whenever attractive women are used to sell chocolate or yogurt or automobiles, it's on the spectrum with what you and I are discussing. 0.98

00:46:31.000 So, again, there's no sort of moral high ground.

00:46:34.000 But one thing I wanted to bring to you is, my wife actually was talking about someone she knew where there was an exercise or fitness instructor who was also one of my OnlyFans.

00:46:44.000 When I heard that, this is what I felt, mate.

00:46:46.000 I was like, whoa!

00:46:48.000 That means, I'm thinking about myself when I'm 17. If it would have been possible that you could see a mum at a school or a...

00:46:57.000 Teacher or anyone, actually, and then somewhere else you could go and pay money and see that person take their clothes off and perform the most intimate things.

00:47:06.000 I don't know what would have happened to me psychologically. 0.71

00:47:10.000 That's just so overwhelming and so ridiculous and so exciting.

00:47:14.000 But also, it's reducing everybody to a kind of object. 0.98

00:47:18.000 Now, I don't think sex is the only way we do that.

00:47:20.000 I think we look at relationships transactionally in a general way.

00:47:23.000 What can you do for me?

00:47:25.000 Can you...

00:47:25.000 Can you get me money?

00:47:26.000 Can you get me power?

00:47:28.000 You know, you now, I guess you're in LA, so you're going to be hooking up with people that are influential. 0.94

00:47:32.000 And if I do this with that person, sooner or later someone's going to suggest that you have sex with Jake Paul and Logan Paul or everyone in the Paul family. 0.74

00:47:42.000 You know, all of these things are available to us. 0.76

00:47:44.000 But this is it.

00:47:46.000 Oh gosh, I can't believe I'm going to quote scripture.

00:47:48.000 But in Corinthians, Paul says, did you not know that your body is a temple?

00:47:55.000 Did you not know that your body is a temple?

00:47:57.000 And he says that to the people of Corinth, I figure, because they're all out there thinking, let's get on it!

00:48:05.000 And when I heard, do you not know that your body is a temple, I thought about the things that I've done sexually over my life.

00:48:10.000 There's just the multiple partners, the transactional nature, sleeping with people in bathrooms, all completely consensual.

00:48:19.000 It's not about the consensual component.

00:48:21.000 It's about...

00:48:22.000 What is it, what it was doing to me and what it's done to me and what it's done to other people, actually, the impact it's had on people.

00:48:30.000 And I feel like this is something that we, I feel like we have to, we have to discuss because I, I believe that it's, I believe that it's real, mate.

00:48:40.000 And when you said the thing about, like, not wanting to disappoint the men that travel a long way to sleep with you or feeling encroached upon by the camera crew, I wonder what you, Recognise that feeling as being in yourself, where you feel like it comes from.

00:48:59.000 You know what, I'm just a people pleaser and it was making me feel awkward, the kind of conversation.

00:49:05.000 That's kind of all really.

00:49:06.000 It wasn't necessarily this massive thing.

00:49:10.000 I just wanted to please these guys and I felt kind of bad that I'd invited them to this thing and I couldn't do that for them.

00:49:21.000 But yeah, that's all I can say on that really.

00:49:24.000 Is there a limit to where you believe this could go, Lily?

00:49:28.000 Is there stuff like, I'm not going to do that, I won't do that, I'm only going to do it for this long?

00:49:33.000 In your mind, do you have a sense of limitation around it?

00:49:36.000 Do you have a plan?

00:49:39.000 Like when I do these gang bangs and stuff like that?

00:49:42.000 The whole way of life, I suppose, but it's certainly, yes, certainly gangbangs for sure. 0.99

00:49:47.000 Like, have you got a sort of a perspective on it of like, I'm just going to do it for this amount of time, then I'm going to stop?

00:49:53.000 Or do you have a vision and an image for how long this is going to go on for?

00:49:58.000 No, not at all.

00:49:59.000 I have no clue.

00:50:00.000 I kind of always said to myself, I'll stop when I stop enjoying it.

00:50:06.000 Do you drink or take drugs or anything?

00:50:10.000 I drink.

00:50:12.000 And some drugs.

00:50:14.000 Very limited.

00:50:16.000 Do you drink and take drugs when you're working?

00:50:18.000 No, no, no, no.

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00:51:30.000 Forgive me asking, mate.

00:51:31.000 Are there any times when you sort of, what do you do to kind of make yourself feel refreshed and cleansed?

00:51:39.000 Who do you talk to openly?

00:51:40.000 Because see that word people-pleaser, that's a phrase that comes out of, I don't know if you know this, like 12-step fellowships.

00:51:47.000 And in 12-step fellowships, we talk about like addiction.

00:51:51.000 Obvious addictions are drugs and alcohol.

00:51:53.000 Another less obvious but still prevalent addiction is sex and sexual behaviours.

00:51:58.000 Another addiction is food and the relationship we have with food.

00:52:01.000 And I'd be very interested to know if when you were young you ever had any problems with food, eating and purging or control around food.

00:52:11.000 And other areas of addiction include the way we relate to others and the way that we make ourselves feel better through relationship.

00:52:18.000 Lily, have you ever had any Issues around food?

00:52:23.000 No, no, no.

00:52:27.000 No, no, no.

00:52:29.000 And with that people-pleasing thing, who have you got, like, who is your support in your life?

00:52:35.000 Who are your best friends and your best relationships, and how do they work?

00:52:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't...

00:52:42.000 I talk to my friends and my family a lot, not necessarily about my work, because when I see them, like, I want it to be like...

00:52:49.000 I'm not always, like, an OnlyFans whore. 0.64

00:52:52.000 You know what I mean? 0.71

00:52:52.000 Like, sometimes it's just nice just to, like, talk to them and be with them and not have to talk about work. 0.71

00:52:59.000 So sometimes when I see them, I won't really talk about it.

00:53:02.000 But usually with my, like, work staff, I'll always, like, go through things and talk about stuff.

00:53:07.000 With, like, your mum?

00:53:11.000 As in, no, with my mum, I won't really, like, talk about work much or parents or anything like that.

00:53:17.000 Just my staff.

00:53:18.000 I'll talk about work to them.

00:53:20.000 You have a team around you.

00:53:22.000 And what about, in addition to work, just talking about how you're feeling and what's happening for you emotionally?

00:53:30.000 Who did you chat to about that sort of thing?

00:53:33.000 Yeah, just friends, family.

00:53:36.000 I've got, like, me, see, I go to 12-step groups.

00:53:41.000 Also, on top of that, I have friends that I can speak to really plainly about what I feel.

00:53:46.000 Also, may I say, like mentors and people that have got more experience than me.

00:53:52.000 And I think without those kind of relationships, I don't know what I would do with the challenges that I face in life.

00:53:59.000 I reckon what it is, Lily, when you become aware of someone in the environment...

00:54:04.000 You get an initial impression of them.

00:54:06.000 And if someone's doing something as striking as you're doing, it's difficult for me.

00:54:11.000 I feel like a sense I want to reach out to you a little bit because I suppose in the past, when I was younger and before I was married and before I had children, I suppose if I'd heard of you, I would have been happy to see you as an object and not to investigate that any further.

00:54:30.000 But as an adult, And as a man of God, how I see you is a fellow child of God.

00:54:39.000 And part of me feels like I wonder if there is any way I can offer you some protection.

00:54:48.000 Or service or counsel.

00:54:50.000 And it's very interesting because I deal with drug addicts all the time and I know if someone ain't asking for help, that means they don't want help.

00:54:57.000 If someone's taking a bunch of drugs and they're having a wild old time, then they don't want you.

00:55:03.000 They want you to just mind your own business. 0.99

00:55:06.000 I felt like, mate, I put on X and you were walking around in public with sperm on your face. 0.99

00:55:14.000 And I felt like...

00:55:17.000 I'm not completely divorced from the part of myself that sees something like that and an antenna goes up, to use an image of, wow, that's an energy that I know would change my consciousness.

00:55:32.000 That energy would change my state.

00:55:34.000 Another part of me feels like, where are we going, Lily?

00:55:39.000 Where are we going?

00:55:41.000 Where do we go from here?

00:55:42.000 Talk me through why you did that, how that felt.

00:55:46.000 And whether or not that's given you cause for reflection?

00:55:51.000 To be honest, I was just finished filming a threesome with two guys and they both finished on my face.

00:56:00.000 So I thought it might be fun to see if I can go out in public with this on and anyone will say anything or anything like that.

00:56:08.000 But you know, everyone in England is very polite and no one said a thing.

00:56:13.000 But yeah.

00:56:14.000 That was kind of the reason and not much thought went into it.

00:56:18.000 No, crazy, I suppose, if you thought about it a little.

00:56:21.000 Because that's a mad thing to do, mate.

00:56:23.000 It's a mad thing to do, I feel.

00:56:29.000 Is there like an amount of money, an amount of success that you feel like, alright, this might sort of stabilise me?

00:56:34.000 And is there a vision even economically?

00:56:36.000 Like, oh, maybe I'll make a film.

00:56:39.000 Or is this sort of revenue stream so abundant that you're not even thinking beyond it?

00:56:45.000 They're just going to carry on doing stuff like this?

00:56:49.000 I definitely, there's no amount of money that would make me a stop or anything like that.

00:56:53.000 For me, I don't feel as though I'm doing it for the money or anything.

00:56:57.000 I just...

00:56:58.000 I think...

00:57:00.000 I'm maybe just, like, obsessed with sex and really enjoy my job.

00:57:05.000 I guess I'm quite job-obsessed.

00:57:09.000 And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

00:57:13.000 But no, there's no kind of, like, money or anything like that that I ever think, like, would make me stop.

00:57:18.000 I used to do, on OnlyFans, before I did, like, this kind of extreme stuff where I did a lot of, like, gangbangs and... 0.97

00:57:26.000 Fucking fans and things like that. 0.94

00:57:28.000 I used to do, like, solo stuff. 0.99

00:57:32.000 So, like, I very much started out just like, just me.

00:57:35.000 And I would still make good money doing that.

00:57:39.000 And so I could have lived, like, the same life doing that.

00:57:43.000 So it wasn't, like, a money thing that was, like, I need to earn more and do this crazy stuff.

00:57:47.000 It was more just, like, something that I wanted to do and explore.

00:57:51.000 I guess I'm into like exhibitioner, being like an exhibitioner. 0.87

00:57:56.000 So I love like putting my sex online and people watching it and joining themselves to it. 0.91

00:58:00.000 And this was just another part of that.

00:58:03.000 When did it change?

00:58:06.000 What was the first thing you did where it stopped being standard, solitary, only fans and got more extreme? 0.93

00:58:13.000 what happened um I think I did uh I fucked 37 guys in a day I I did like a 23-man gangbang. 0.94

00:58:24.000 I was probably fucking for like, yeah, probably like 10 hours or something like that. 0.93

00:58:29.000 That was kind of like the first thing. 0.92

00:58:31.000 What made you have that idea, Lily?

00:58:34.000 How did we go from what I'm...

00:58:37.000 When I was still living in that world, things like Babe Station had started. 0.87

00:58:42.000 And I remember thinking, well, this is pretty mad.

00:58:44.000 I remember I think I went out with some women from Babe Station and stuff.

00:58:50.000 Anyway, so I'm familiar with that kind of pornography, OnlyFans style pornography.

00:58:55.000 But how did you go, actually, do you know what I'm going to do?

00:58:58.000 That's already an extreme idea.

00:59:00.000 Where is that coming from?

00:59:03.000 How?

00:59:03.000 Why?

00:59:05.000 So, to be honest, I was already doing very extreme stuff in my personal life anyway.

00:59:11.000 And I just wanted to kind of...

00:59:14.000 I wanted to...

00:59:16.000 Show people what I actually do.

00:59:18.000 I mean obviously before that I hadn't fucked 37 guys in a day but I was already doing some pretty extreme stuff and it was also just like you know what I'm kind of bored with maybe doing like the boy girl kind of like very just quite normal porn like very average kind of porn and I thought it would be a great way to kind of Interact with fans and yeah,

00:59:48.000 just something fun to do. 0.62

00:59:49.000 I just shared my address online and said, kind of like, turn up.

00:59:54.000 And that's kind of how it went down.

00:59:55.000 Oh, wow.

00:59:56.000 I bet people couldn't believe it.

00:59:57.000 What were you doing in your, if I can ask, because I know it's literally obviously your private life.

01:00:01.000 What were you doing in your private life that meant that a transition from solitary pornography to group pornography was relatively effortless for you?

01:00:13.000 What kind of sexual experiences were you having when you were young?

01:00:17.000 And may I ask, what were your first sexual experiences or experiences of abuse?

01:00:23.000 Because I would say any prepubescent experience of sex is, by definition, abuse.

01:00:30.000 I mean, for me, I was quite a late bloomer, funnily enough.

01:00:35.000 Well, you made up for it, mate!

01:00:37.000 You bloomed pretty!

01:00:39.000 So what happened to you?

01:00:41.000 Yeah, well, you had sex when you were like 16 or 17 or something.

01:00:45.000 Yeah, 17 with a boyfriend at the time.

01:00:49.000 And then when I went off to university, that's when I kind of started to do, like, have threesomes and gangbangs and explore my really, like, sexual side.

01:01:01.000 So you're right.

01:01:02.000 Where did you go to university?

01:01:04.000 Sheffield.

01:01:05.000 You went to Sheffield University, good little university, and you started just hanging out with guys and probably while your friends were, I don't know, people watching this were able to discern for themselves.

01:01:16.000 I feel like a lot of times when I'm talking about one person that's had threesomes and had sex with multiple women at the same time, a bunch, because of being famous and stuff, I feel like when I'm talking about that, most people I talk to aren't like, yeah, I've done, most people have not done that.

01:01:32.000 Most people haven't.

01:01:33.000 Like, yeah, when I was having sex with five people at once or three people, people were just meeting each other the first time around my house and crawling all over my body like I was in an amusement park.

01:01:41.000 I'm speaking about myself.

01:01:42.000 I'm speaking about myself.

01:01:43.000 Most people don't know what that's like.

01:01:46.000 It's an extreme thing to do.

01:01:48.000 So at some point here, mate, there's a sort of a little bit of a departure.

01:01:52.000 Now, I don't want to be prurient or like, ooh, tell me your stuff.

01:01:57.000 Believe me, I'm not trying to get off on that stuff.

01:02:00.000 What I'm interested in is when your understanding of your own extreme nature starts to be practiced.

01:02:09.000 When do you start doing stuff that's out of the norm?

01:02:12.000 You're saying at university.

01:02:13.000 Because I'm trying to, even looking at this as a grown man, I'm thinking if when I was 16 or 17, I would have been terrified of you actually.

01:02:20.000 But if when I was like, I don't know, 20, 25, if I met someone that was like, I'm right up for it.

01:02:26.000 Because obviously that happened to me a bunch, and those are the women that I had, but real incredible, what I would have regarded then as adventures with, and now I'd perhaps have a different perspective on.

01:02:36.000 But tell me, mate, what's going on in college where you're departing from the vanilla path, let's call it?

01:02:43.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 I mean, obviously, coming from a girl's perspective, it's so much easier as a girl to be able to... 0.96

01:02:50.000 get sex and have sex with a lot of people so much easier and genuinely just going out like drinking and it wasn't usually even like planned or anything like that I'd just end up back at a party there'd be some guys there and I would fuck them kind of thing and that was kind of that really honestly though it was just like I guess When I started to, 0.90

01:03:17.000 like, have casual sex, like, after my first boyfriend, I kind of realised, like, how much I loved it.

01:03:25.000 I think, especially in comparison to my friends who, you know, were kind of not having sex with as many partners as me, you know.

01:03:34.000 I kind of just realised that this was for me and I did enjoy having sex with a lot of people.

01:03:39.000 Were you drunk in them early experiences? 0.95

01:03:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:45.000 Have you ever had your heart broken, Lily?

01:03:48.000 Like, have you ever had your heart broken?

01:03:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:52.000 Well, tell us about it.

01:03:55.000 Just an ex-boyfriend.

01:03:56.000 He just cheated on me, but that's all.

01:03:58.000 It's not that much of a deep story.

01:04:01.000 I don't know.

01:04:03.000 It's very...

01:04:04.000 Would that happen when you were like, when was that?

01:04:07.000 That was when I actually had already started OnlyFans.

01:04:10.000 That was probably six months to...

01:04:13.000 Into doing OnlyFans.

01:04:16.000 And you loved someone, you loved him, and then he cheated on you.

01:04:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:24.000 Yeah, that's really, really painful, I think, for everyone, isn't it?

01:04:28.000 Just as a standard experience.

01:04:30.000 Do you feel, you might be aware, I don't know if you are, that there's a kind of cultural argument, Lily, around whether...

01:04:38.000 Women that are doing what you're doing are being exploited and in particular and obviously exploited by men. 0.80

01:04:46.000 And I would say it's sort of a fair argument.

01:04:48.000 The other side of it is that part of female empowerment is taking ownership of sex and that in a sexual dynamic it's sort of easy to think if men are travelling around the world or paying money that you have the power in that dynamic. 0.97

01:05:04.000 It's easy to see how that argument would be made.

01:05:07.000 Do you feel exploited?

01:05:12.000 No, not at all.

01:05:13.000 It's funny, really, because before OnlyFans, obviously, the porn industry was really booming.

01:05:20.000 And at that point, that was when girls like me had, like, agents or pimps that would get them these jobs. 0.93

01:05:29.000 And kind of, I wouldn't be surprised forcing them into having these jobs and doing the more extreme stuff. 0.99

01:05:35.000 You know, now you're going to go on to do an anal, double anal, triple anal, like, it goes on. 0.98

01:05:41.000 And now, obviously, we have OnlyFans, which I think, personally, is a great platform to be able to explore your kinks without someone telling you what to do and, you know, without the man there taking that percentage of you and kind of egging you on to do things. 0.99

01:05:59.000 Yeah, I like that argument.

01:06:00.000 That's really good. 0.73

01:06:01.000 I mean, as I've acknowledged in the past, I've paid for sex.

01:06:05.000 And you kind of have a feeling that...

01:06:07.000 The women in that dynamic, in fact, a near certainty that the women in that dynamic are being exploited, that it's not an empowered and direct transaction, I suppose. 0.52

01:06:18.000 But I would say that looking at things now, I don't see how it ever could be.

01:06:24.000 What you're doing with OnlyFans, in a sense, is comparable to what's happening online everywhere, that there ain't layers of brokerage anymore.

01:06:32.000 Even in media, the world has exploded because now centralised organisations like the BBC or New York Times aren't able to pimp information, aren't able to gatekeep and control information.

01:06:46.000 But I'd never thought before of how that...

01:06:49.000 When you apply that to the commodification of sex, one aspect of that is you now, what you're saying is you're the top of your hierarchy.

01:07:01.000 There's no, and I suppose OnlyFans extract some kind of commission as a result of their software or whatever.

01:07:08.000 But you should be getting a special deal with them, by the way, because you're in a sense of brand.

01:07:12.000 You've got a brand ambassador.

01:07:15.000 You want to renegotiate that.

01:07:17.000 So that's one thing an agent could do.

01:07:19.000 But you're saying that you're not part of a, there's not an agent.

01:07:23.000 Everyone that works with you works for you as employees.

01:07:26.000 Is that right?

01:07:27.000 Yeah, correct, correct.

01:07:28.000 All my staff is outsourced.

01:07:31.000 What do you mean?

01:07:32.000 That's cutting the content and who's...

01:07:35.000 Yeah, so I've just gone on the internet and found staff and outsourced them and they're self-employed so I just pay them their invoice kind of thing.

01:07:46.000 There's no percentage being taken or anything like that.

01:07:49.000 I have no management or anything like that.

01:07:52.000 In a way, you're an entrepreneur and a businesswoman and it's kind of super impressive.

01:07:57.000 And I try to look at it like, well, if it was a food blog and your food blog had blown up and you were like, I'm going to cook for 100 people.

01:08:06.000 I suppose I would look at it like, and maybe culturally we would look at it as kind of, I don't know, just a straight out plain success story.

01:08:16.000 But on some level, I reckon we all...

01:08:20.000 No, that sex is powerful.

01:08:22.000 And what we're discussing is whether or not sex is sacred.

01:08:24.000 No one's arguing about whether sex is powerful or not.

01:08:26.000 We're discussing whether or not it's sacred.

01:08:28.000 Like, the power of sex is enough that the whole culture, even people that will be condemning you, because you're aware of that, aren't you, Lily?

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 Has any of that impacted you, people condemning you?

01:08:41.000 Not really.

01:08:42.000 What are these people who are religious and...

01:08:45.000 I don't know.

01:08:46.000 I don't know.

01:08:47.000 I think there'll be loads of ways.

01:08:49.000 Like, I'm guessing.

01:08:50.000 Like, I suppose some of it, but I'm religious, and that's why it's from the position of a religious position that I would 100% not condemn you, and why I am reaching out to you with a kind of...

01:09:04.000 What's the definition of condemning? 0.94

01:09:07.000 Condemn means you are wrong, you are disgusting, you are bad, you are in trouble.

01:09:14.000 That is condemn. 0.98

01:09:16.000 I mean, it's definitely not been the religious people that's been like that.

01:09:20.000 Who is it?

01:09:20.000 Who's done that?

01:09:22.000 Who is it then?

01:09:23.000 You know what?

01:09:25.000 It's a lot of men online.

01:09:27.000 That's all I see.

01:09:28.000 Which is funnily enough because they're my number one customers.

01:09:34.000 What kind of men and what kind of things are they saying?

01:09:40.000 Just... 0.99

01:09:40.000 Every name under the sun, disgusting. 0.99

01:09:44.000 You will never be able to find happiness. 0.92

01:09:47.000 This is just the worst thing they can think of and they think it's vile.

01:09:54.000 That's interesting.

01:09:55.000 It's interesting.

01:09:57.000 That's very interesting.

01:09:59.000 How do you feel about that? 0.96

01:10:02.000 Well, it's just funny really because, you know, without men watching porn... 0.99

01:10:10.000 Or buying sex or doing anything like that, I wouldn't have a job. 0.89

01:10:14.000 So it's just funny to me that, you know, people watch porn and consume it, but they dislike it and don't agree with it. 0.71

01:10:23.000 But then they're adding to it.

01:10:25.000 I don't like this. 0.89

01:10:26.000 This is disgusting.

01:10:28.000 What am I doing?

01:10:30.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

01:10:31.000 That's amazing.

01:10:32.000 People are condemning it, but, yeah.

01:10:34.000 Do you know what?

01:10:35.000 I'm realising, no, I've not thought about this before, Lily.

01:10:37.000 Like, people talk a lot about, have you heard what incels is?

01:10:40.000 You know that word.

01:10:41.000 Is that common in your, sort of, because I guess a lot of men that are looking, I'm sure all sorts of men look at OnlyFans.

01:10:47.000 Of course they do.

01:10:48.000 It's a massive market.

01:10:49.000 I've never looked at it.

01:10:50.000 I don't look at pornography.

01:10:52.000 But, like, I would say, That some of the people that are condemning you, like, oh, this is disgusting, have themselves looked at OnlyFans and potentially look at pornography.

01:11:03.000 That's probably true, isn't it?

01:11:05.000 Oh, 110%, yeah, definitely.

01:11:08.000 So they're disgusted about something that's in themselves.

01:11:11.000 And I wonder what kind of partner you think it is.

01:11:15.000 That on one hand you have this phenomena of men that are paying a bunch of money online that are afraid of women, that don't know how to talk to women, how to charm women, and are very sort of hateful of women.

01:11:27.000 And then this sort of...

01:11:29.000 You kind of emerging like some extraordinary pornographic phoenix, not from the ashes, but from another substance I won't put too much time into describing.

01:11:43.000 You're a very interesting...

01:11:46.000 Creation, Lily.

01:11:47.000 And, like, who are any of us to predict what might happen?

01:11:51.000 And I know some of the arguments that will be made or some of the statements that will get said.

01:11:56.000 Like, what about when you're older?

01:11:58.000 But people could say the same thing about getting a tattoo when you're young.

01:12:02.000 What do you think about the thing that most interests me is not, like, damning and judgment.

01:12:07.000 Because I think a lot of that damning and judgment comes from prurience.

01:12:10.000 Prurience means that they're kind of excited about it and don't want to own their own excitement.

01:12:15.000 And I can feel that on the edge of my own mind.

01:12:19.000 On the edge of my own mind, I can feel the part of me that's like, oh, my God, this woman is so, like, this is fascinating and compelling that a woman would do this.

01:12:27.000 And I know that if I was younger and if I was in the game, as it were, in inverted commas, I would be fascinated and I'd want to be involved.

01:12:36.000 That's how I would be.

01:12:38.000 But I can feel that like a shadow on the edge of myself.

01:12:43.000 As a man who believes above all else in the sacred, that there is something glorious and special about human beings, that there is something, that you are a child of God, that you are a child of God, that's what I want to say to you, that you are special and that you are beautiful and that you are sacred and you deserve to be cherished and treasured in every aspect of your life and that any choices you make, they are your choices to make, but there is somewhere for you to go.

01:13:12.000 Where you will be loved, embraced and accepted and cleansed.

01:13:18.000 And I want you to know that that's real, Lily, beyond all of this.

01:13:22.000 Because when I look at now myself and what my sexual adventures and my sexual excitement did for me and where it led, I wish that someone, me or God or someone, could reach through time and say, you are special.

01:13:42.000 You are special, and you deserve to be looked after and loved.

01:13:46.000 Be careful with yourselves.

01:13:47.000 Be careful with one another.

01:13:49.000 I didn't receive that.

01:13:51.000 The culture didn't give that to me.

01:13:53.000 Do you know that about yourself, that you are special?

01:13:58.000 I guess I don't think of myself as special.

01:14:01.000 Just another girl. 0.99

01:14:04.000 And I'm not religious or anything like that, so I don't really read into it.

01:14:11.000 One day you will.

01:14:13.000 One day you will read into it, Lily.

01:14:15.000 One day you will.

01:14:16.000 Because one day we all have to.

01:14:18.000 We all have to look inside ourselves.

01:14:21.000 And I think that what you're doing is novel.

01:14:25.000 And I think that what you're doing is incredible in many ways.

01:14:31.000 But I feel that why I wanted to talk to you, because I recognise you.

01:14:35.000 How old are you?

01:14:36.000 Like 22 or something?

01:14:37.000 Yeah, 23. So you're so young, and you're a baby, actually, from my perspective.

01:14:44.000 So I didn't, like, when I was speaking to you, I thought, this is like, I'm speaking to any 23-year-old.

01:14:50.000 If I was speaking to myself when I was 23, you know, I wouldn't expect to get a lot back over the net when it comes to the nature of God and salvation and the depths of my sexual, and what the consequences could be of my sexual conduct.

01:15:10.000 I recognise something of a gulf between us.

01:15:14.000 But what I do want to leave you with is someone that says that you're not religious.

01:15:19.000 You are spiritual because it's your nature.

01:15:22.000 That is your nature.

01:15:23.000 The person that's experiencing the joy behind the sex, the power behind the sex, the power behind the attention that you're getting, the possibility that this is worthwhile, exciting, will lead to things, is fulfilling.

01:15:39.000 The person that's experiencing that is sanctified and in God.

01:15:43.000 I just want to leave you, Lily, with the invitation and possibility that one day you might want to have a conversation about how you feel, moments of quietness and stillness where something comes to you and you feel like you need comfort or you feel lost or you feel a brokenness.

01:16:03.000 That's not unique to you.

01:16:04.000 That's what it is to be a human.

01:16:07.000 And in that, I want you to know that there is a path for you and that you are special and that you are lovely and beloved and that you don't have to do anything that you don't want to do.

01:16:19.000 And I know you aren't doing anything you don't want to do.

01:16:22.000 If ever you find yourself in that position, then know that there is a path and a light for you.

01:16:28.000 That's very kind.

01:16:29.000 Thank you.

01:16:30.000 I appreciate that.

01:16:31.000 Well, nice one, Lily. 0.90

01:16:33.000 I mean, I just, you know, it's so lovely to meet you as a married, grown-up man.

01:16:38.000 I can't imagine what would have happened if the paths had crossed without the intervening decades.

01:16:45.000 I really wish you all of the best, and I'll be praying for you, Lily.

01:16:52.000 I'm praying for you, not because of judgment, but because I think you're a lovely young woman.

01:16:58.000 With a lot of energy and I recognize that you're looking for something because we all are.

01:17:03.000 Bless you.

01:17:04.000 Well, thank you so much for having me on.

01:17:05.000 I really appreciate it.

01:17:06.000 If you ever need me, Lily Phillips, remember that I said that.

01:17:10.000 Thank you.

01:17:11.000 Take care, young lady.

01:17:12.000 Well, thank you, Lily Phillips, for joining us, and thank you as well for being with us today.

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01:17:43.000 So we will see you tomorrow.

01:17:45.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:17:47.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

01:17:49.000 Switch

01:18:12.000 on, switch on, switch on. Switch on, switch on. Many switching, switch on, switch on. Switch in, switch switch on. Switch in, switch on, switch on, switch off.

01:18:31.000 Many switches, switch on, switch on.

01:18:37.000 Many switches.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - February 10, 2025

Sex, Power & OnlyFans: A Candid Conversation with Lily Phillips – SF534

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