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00:02:52.000But first, we've got Saga Njeti talking about the ongoing revelations around UFO phenomena and how, from the advent of Roswell, which, you know, let me know in the comments if you agree, is Roswell ground zero of UFOs?
00:03:09.000Or is the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him?
00:03:11.000So here's Saga Njeti talking about the phenomena from Roswell right up to modern day.
00:03:21.000Saga, before you go, if you would humor us further, we know that you are interested in the subject of unidentified flying objects, or whatever the hell they're called now.
00:03:30.000Why do you think it is that they're suddenly being openly discussed?
00:03:33.000You know people who like a band before they become popular, right?
00:03:38.000I'm like, I used to like UFOs when I was like 16 years old, and everyone was like, oh, well, why is there no good footage of UFOs then?
00:03:44.000Why don't they land on the White House lawn?
00:03:47.000And now it's like the CIA are releasing footage of them in war zones and stuff.
00:04:05.000They got dragged here kicking and screaming.
00:04:07.000Because people like Commander David Fravor, who was the pilot during the Tic Tac object video, people like Ryan Graves, well, highly decorated, completely with it pilots, are trying to speak out and have been recording this video.
00:04:24.000They're trying to get to the bottom of it.
00:04:26.000And eventually, enough information was able to make it out that they were dragged kicking and screaming.
00:04:30.000Now, even right now, Russell, I can tell you, inside of Congress, there are only one or two people who even care about the issue. And they are also dragging the Pentagon,
00:04:39.000kicking and screaming, trying to get information out of them. Remember, it's been over two years
00:04:42.000since we were supposed to have that initial report. We still, we have no more video. We
00:04:46.000have one new video. It's a good video.
00:04:48.000It's very interesting, but it's not, based upon what I have understood to exist in the archives
00:04:55.000and more, this is not even scratching the surface. And unfortunately, I think people are viewing it
00:05:01.000almost as some sort of psyop, where I completely get where they're coming from. I really do. But
00:05:09.000I can tell you, you know, from people in the Pentagon and more, this is the last thing they would rather be talking about.
00:05:13.000No, they're not also using it, you know, to increase their funding requests.
00:05:17.000And also, at a time when they would have needed more funding a decade ago, when some of these videos were actually being taken in real time, they tried their best to keep it secret.
00:05:25.000So, when I look at all of that, I don't yet see it.
00:05:28.000I see an incompetent, bumbling bureaucracy intent on keeping this secret because, here's the truth, they're just like us and they have no idea what the hell is going on.
00:07:28.000I'm a big fan of the book, The Three-Body Problem, which I do actually believe is one of the more accurate views of kind of what and how a human civilization would react in the event of a visiting, but let's put all of that aside and the philosophical debate.
00:07:42.000This is also just a very straightforward story about being lied to and not getting the truth.
00:07:47.000I've done multiple videos about the past of UFO cover-ups, all the way going back to Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, to the subsequent conclusions inside of the Pentagon that we are almost certainly being visited by an alien civilization that was covered up in the 1950s.
00:08:02.000Project Blue Book, people can go back and look all of this up because, again, it takes a very long time to explain.
00:08:08.000On the videos that I, listen, Christopher Mellon, former assistant secretary of defense, he was a secretary, a state senate appointed official inside the pentagon, is on the record saying that there is a video of two crafters flying together, two pilots and a UFO that zooms in between people inside the cockpit video, absolutely freaking out about seeing that.
00:08:29.000They said it's one of the most high-impact videos that exists around this.
00:08:33.000And I also do think All of the discussion around, oh, we don't have any video of that.
00:08:39.000These, first of all, you know, this presumption is that this is a highly advanced civilization or advanced technology.
00:08:45.000But second, like all of these are happening either several hundred thousand feet or thousands of feet up in the air or miles off to sea.
00:09:12.000And there's good reason to say not so.
00:09:13.000In a sense it breaks the framework of how we regard reality and so much of how power operates requires that we stay within such narrow framing, quarrel, quibble and sling mud within that framework and once you start to recognize that the universe and reality are not as we assume it to be, then cultural questions, political questions, questions around how we organize start to become sort of less significant, less Underscored by passion and sort of primal impulse.
00:09:46.000It induces in me a kind of sanguinity and a kind of willingness to be, I don't know, I suppose, more loving.
00:09:54.000And I feel like I heard early tapes of Bob Lazar, because remember, I'm a longtime aficionado, sort of saying that, like Timothy Goode and stuff, talking about how like there's a sort of a concomitant feeling of love somehow.
00:10:08.000it sort of induces a feeling of sort of spiritual ease.
00:10:13.000And perhaps that's because it induces in you somewhat like, you know, you see like a Rorschach test,
00:11:01.000Nobody knew why a hole was in the center of it.
00:11:04.000It turns out that it's a sophisticated hurricane warning system that Only when the wind goes over 60 miles per hour makes a sound that can warn everybody around you.
00:11:14.000If you really believe that that was, you know, just happenstance and that didn't require, you know, the knowledge of a very advanced civilization or the Perry Rees map, I have a Perry Rees map, Actually over there about the, you know, the ancient view of Antarctica and how it was before the polarized caps and all that form.
00:11:33.000It actually makes me feel like anything is possible, whereas the previous narrative is just so cookie-cutter, you know?
00:11:39.000Oh, well, hunter-gatherer, and then we went to civilization, we started having wheat, and then this happened, and then war happened, and then now we're here, and technology is the height of humankind.
00:11:56.000And when you put aside the hubris that accompanies the idea that we're at some point of, some apex right now, it opens your mind to the possibility that there are, again, different ways that we might be human, different ways that we might be organized.
00:12:13.000And it takes away that kind of priapic insistence that we are thrusting ever forward in pursuit of as yet unlived dreams. The idea that
00:12:23.000we have been here many times, things fall apart, reality is cyclical not
00:12:28.000linear. They're sort of difficult concepts to manage without I think the inclusion
00:12:33.000of a certain degree of spiritual grace and and as you say perhaps epistemological
00:12:53.000And I don't know why, though, that people can't flip it around and see it as Inspirational.
00:12:58.000We don't know anything so we have so much farther to go or maybe we have so much farther to return back to once what we were to discover new frontiers and new technology.
00:13:08.000I'm obsessed with the stories of exploration of civilizational first contact and so much more because in that I see the birth of something new.
00:13:17.000Didn't always go well for a lot of people but it was exciting and it was riveting and I think that so much of the cookie cutter ways that we look at our current Story in our current society that are almost designed as you've often talked about to keep us complacent and locked into Systems of power where all the only thing that's keeping you in a prison is your mind, you know Whenever you think differently almost anything is possible and a lot of this can sound hokey But you know take it from a guy like me even in a suit like you can manifest quite a few things whenever you just want to think differently
00:14:40.000Are we going to go to Ross Coulthard talking about UFOs and whistleblowers?
00:14:44.000I've heard some interesting information about UFOs now and extraterrestrial beings and diplomatic relationships between extraterrestrial nations and the United States and the Chinese government and the Russians.
00:14:55.000I mean, it's really blowing up this stuff.
00:14:57.000I actually, when we spoke to Jeremy Corbell, he says they don't want these leaks.
00:15:00.000even if they are trying to use it as a distraction, it's, they're pissed off that these leaks are being made.
00:16:32.000I have plenty of current, former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program.
00:17:30.000The government not telling us the truth is long established, whether it's economically, whether it's the military-industrial complex, whether it's the media.
00:17:38.000Almost everything that we've come to regard as a conspiracy is a hive of concealed information.
00:17:44.000That doesn't mean we should be irresponsible in our wild conjecture, but it does mean that there is a steep and vast margin between what is explicitly discussed publicly and The truth.
00:17:56.000Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral.
00:18:04.000You are saying to the human race... To the human race!
00:18:09.000You are saying to the human race, and I applaud you for this, but there are aliens and that you're free Wednesday 7 to 10, no strings.
00:18:17.000For the first time an official Intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is saying publicly, we are not alone.
00:18:49.000Or killed by a non-human intelligence.
00:18:52.000Now listen, I'm asking you this as a friend.
00:18:55.000Did those aliens touch you on your dick or your arse?
00:18:59.000Look, we're talking about extraterrestrials, but we're talking about more than that, aren't we?
00:19:03.000While I can't get into the specifics, because that would reveal certain US classified operations, I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were Now I'm scared.
00:19:14.000level in events like that. Now I'm scared. Well now I'm scared. I came here in good
00:19:18.000faith to talk about extraterrestrials. It takes a lot to shake me but you've shaken
00:19:22.000me to the core. I didn't realize you were gonna make me feel this way. People have
00:19:26.000just heard you say non-humans may well have murdered human beings. It's also funny to think of it as a murder when it's
00:19:37.000an extraterrestrial because he can't have the motivations Did that extraterrestrial murder you because it wanted your watch or because it was jealous that you was looking at its girlfriend?
00:19:46.000It's like beyond the framing of reality.
00:19:48.000Are there agreements between non-human intelligences and the American government?
00:19:53.000I think that's a question that I would Like to know all the details of as well.
00:20:00.000Can I put it to you that crimes must have been committed?
00:21:23.000Bury it back in a box for another 80 years, and the simple fact is David Grush is telling the truth, backed by other whistleblowers who are ready to come forward.
00:21:36.000Even the astonishing and captivating revelations contained within your interview are just the tip, and I mean just the tip, Ross, of the iceberg, and by God, it's a hell of an iceberg, because I know, because I can tell, Ross, I can see the way that you're conducting that interview.
00:21:53.000You know a great deal more than you're able to publicly say.
00:21:56.000Now, I've heard off the record, and I won't name my sources because I'm a professional journalist, one of the best, some say, I've heard recently that there are diplomatic relationships between the US government and extraterrestrial nations, that have gone all the way back to Roswell, that Roswell was real, that they have live extraterrestrials, that there are different extraterrestrial nations that the governments of the world have been in touch with for 50, 60 years, that this is the mind-blowing, epochal, paradigm-shifting story the world's been waiting for.
00:22:28.000Now, you've written about this subject, Ross.
00:22:30.000So you've got to know a lot more than you're letting on.
00:22:32.000What revelations, I'm scared as well Ross, what revelations are you prepared to give us here?
00:22:40.000OK, well, I mean, the simple fact is what you just what you just detailed there, Russell, is what David Grush alleged to me in the NewsNation interview.
00:22:50.000The simple fact is that there is a defence office pre-publication security review approval for Dave Grush's interview, a DOD approved document where Dave Grush set out what he wanted to talk about.
00:23:04.000And in that document, he talked about non-human intelligences engaging with this planet, about agreements implicitly between those NHIs and the human race, about crash retrievals, recoveries, reverse engineering programs.
00:23:21.000Now, the simple fact of that so-called DOPSA document, the fact that there's a Defence Department approval, doesn't mean the DoD saying what Grush is saying is true.
00:23:30.000But I know that what Grush is saying has verification from multiple other sources.
00:23:38.000People like me, I'm a professional journalist, I'm an old-fashioned journo who goes out and develops sources and builds up networks of people who help me with information.
00:23:47.000When I was writing my book, In Plain Sight, I started to get calls from people who were giving me information from within the Legacy Crash Retrieval Program.
00:23:59.000And I can't say definitively, I know it's true, because I haven't yet seen these craft.
00:24:05.000I haven't seen the secret documents that David Grush has seen.
00:24:09.000But what he's done, what this incredibly brave man has done, is he's come forward,
00:24:15.000not only to the Inspector General of the Defense Department and the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community,
00:24:21.000he's also testified under oath to the Congress, to the two oversight committees,
00:24:27.000the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee.
00:24:31.000If he's lying, send him to jail, prove it and send him to jail.
00:24:37.000If he's not lying, then that's the test.
00:24:44.000And what really gives me the, it pisses me off, Russell, because I'm a journo who has spent much of my life
00:24:52.000in mainstream media, and I'm seeing newspapers like the New York Times,
00:24:57.000the Washington Post, the London Times, all of these papers are suppressing this story,
00:25:03.000not because they're being told to by the intelligence community,
00:25:07.000because they don't have the capacity anymore for critical thinking like you do,
00:25:12.000and like so many other shows that are starting to develop online do.
00:25:16.000The simple fact is mainstream media is failing to cover this issue and I've never in my long career as a journalist been so shocked and confronted by the fact that what we're looking at here is we're seeing unfold at the moment the biggest story in human history.
00:25:35.000This is the story of non-human intelligences engaging with this planet.
00:25:41.000And I've heard this from US intelligence officials, defence department officials, scientists who have literally touched the side of these craft.
00:25:55.000And a man like Grush deserves to be embraced by your audience and supported.
00:26:01.000And I really applaud you for doing what you're doing and having the independence of thought and the critical thinking to engage with this subject.
00:26:11.000You're obviously a credible journalist yourself, not prone to hysteria, even if you do sometimes lean in dramatically to your subjects.
00:26:20.000You've raised the temperature so much, I've undone another button on my shirt to celebrate.
00:26:23.000Now, one of the revelations I'd like us to discuss, and this is an opportunity for us to use our unique platform here on Rumble, particularly on Locals, and if you're watching us on Rumble, join us on Locals now.
00:26:35.000Why don't you collectively use Google Earth?
00:26:37.000Why don't we use Alphabet's utilities for good?
00:26:40.000If you have a look at Area 51 now in Nevada, you'll see a mountain in that region which many claim has visible entrances and exits that are currently being used by these UFOs, by these NIHs.
00:26:54.000I'm not sure what acronym to use anymore, but we can do this research right now ourselves.
00:26:59.000You lot in the chat have a look at our production company.
00:27:01.000Bad Graphics Jack could have a little poke around.
00:27:03.000I mean it seems to me that in some cases it's almost ludicrously ordinary that these interactions have been going on for a long time, there are sort of bureaucratic diplomatic agreements, there have been conversations, there have been trade agreements almost, there are the rights to access certain territories, legitimized exchanges of human life, stuff that the mainstream media will Understandably, to a degree, Ross, treat as ludicrous, because given the conditioning we've received up to now, it seems implausible to discuss it until you increase the size of your frame to include the evident reality that the cosmos is without limitation, both temporally and spatially, and within that framing, a more advanced species, whether that's extraterrestrial or interdimensional,
00:27:55.000And the likelihood of exchanges increases exponentially on that basis.
00:27:59.000And then the idea that, oh, why haven't they landed on the White House lawn?
00:28:02.000Well, it seems like every time that there is credible evidence, it's suppressed, it's undermined, it's reframed, it's rephrased, whether it's footage.
00:28:12.000Oh, look, we're looking for that mountainscape now.
00:28:16.000So do you think that In a sense, Ross, what this challenges us to do, as both recipients and creators of media, is to responsibly broaden out our framing.
00:28:32.000I mean, just to give you an example of just how absurd this is, that this story is being overlooked, Russell.
00:28:38.000Your and my mate Jeremy Cordell, with his colleague George Knapp, broke a story in the last 12 hours about a document that I've known about for some months.
00:28:47.000And in that document, a Canadian MP, a Member of Parliament in Canada called Larry Maguire, writes to the Canadian Defence Minister and reveals that he has investigated and discovered a secret Canadian collaboration with the US on UAP crash retrievals.
00:29:08.000The Canadians have been allegedly working on non-human technology in collaboration with the US government.
00:29:16.000And it's really interesting, you know, at the moment my government in Australia is about to spend $400 billion on nuclear attack submarines from the United States.
00:29:26.000I think it's an important political and economic issue as a journalist.
00:29:31.000That our government, at a time when it's being encouraged to spend $400 billion, is part of a secret Five Eyes agreement called the Foreign Material Exploitation Program, where they are literally recovering, according to this letter from this Canadian MP, craft from another world, and involved in attempts to back-engineer and reverse-engineer that.
00:29:56.000I appreciate that for a lot of people in this forum here, hearing this, they might think, well, Christ, it sounds crazy.
00:30:06.000The truth is, the ontological shock of that shouldn't deter them from pushing for this to be investigated.
00:30:13.000Because what the White House, what the Pentagon, what the intelligence community is relying on, is your audience, not As Jeremy says, weaponizing their curiosity.
00:30:24.000They need to indulge their curiosity and start asking questions.
00:30:30.000It's like, you know, it's funny actually, listening to your show, I hear so often things that make me wonder as a journalist, has society lost its capacity for critical thinking?
00:30:40.000Just because a bunch of experts or pompous twats in Washington say something, why should we necessarily believe it?
00:30:52.000And the thing that really shocks me at the moment is we are lurching towards a new kind of authoritarianism in media, where this kind of group of lumpenproletariat journalists basically make the decisions about what we're all meant to think.
00:31:08.000There's a disconnect between critical thinking and what's put into our papers and to our media.
00:31:14.000We really do need to test this UAP subject.
00:31:18.000And what David Grush has done, and what Larry Maguire in Canada has done with the letter that he's written to his defence minister, is open the argument.
00:32:19.000But remember, I've been in this conversation for a long time now.
00:32:23.000So, like, I read all the Eric Von Daniken stuff and all of the Timothy Goode stuff, and I've always felt that the way the architecture of our systems of governance and our understanding of reality has always precluded and prevented the incorporation of non-terrestrial life because it asks so many questions of our power structures. It blows
00:33:47.000Ross's book, In Plain Sight, is out now.
00:33:49.000We'll post a link to that in the chat.
00:33:53.000Now, there's a hell of a lot to discuss.
00:33:56.000You guys know that we are interested in conveying to you the most important stories We're interested in revealing to you the deepest truth.
00:34:04.000We're interested in uncovering the most profound conspiracies.
00:34:09.000This, even though I struggle to convey this bit of information to you, and you know me Gareth, I don't usually struggle do I?
00:34:15.000It's not one of the things I do to Did you like, did you enjoy Ross Coulthard there?
00:34:18.000I thought it was absolutely wonderful.
00:34:19.000What a brilliant contribution there from Ross.
00:34:51.000You said foo fighters, which all the way back to World War II, you have these metallic spheres that are traversing our restricted or war zone or combat areas.
00:35:03.000And what happens is through all of these decades, none of them ever have come out from military film.
00:35:10.000Until now, I was able to obtain this image, which by the way, was from a classified briefing about UFOs, or what they call UAP, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.
00:35:38.000People were laughing when I said it about a year ago until they start understanding that it's true, which is that we sometimes shoot at these unknowns.
00:36:30.000Because if we shoot at these, If we shoot at these in conflict zones and we don't know whose they are, we could misidentify and have a fight between two countries because we're shooting at UFOs.
00:37:25.000They got a four second video that they can release to the American global public.
00:37:29.000So I'm pushing, I'm pushing, trying to put gasoline Back onto this fire and make sure that they try to put out in the right way to the American and global public what this is.
00:37:55.000This is an intelligent controlled machine that is advanced, and we don't know who it's from.
00:38:02.000Jeremy, do you ever wonder what the philosophical and ideological impact will be of meaningful contact?
00:38:10.000Do you assume, as many experts in your field have over the last 50 years, that contact between non-terrestrial entities and deep state officials has been ongoing.
00:38:28.000I feel that in order to ensure that people appreciate how significant this story is, it's important to bring to the forefront But we're talking about something that will alter our perspective of reality, our perspective of cosmology, geography, epistemology, our understanding of knowledge and history has to alter.
00:38:55.000If we've been in regular, continual contact with UFOs, all of this is of course speculative, how could it be otherwise, but the possibility that Human evolution has been impacted, influenced, even directed.
00:39:09.000Some of those theories that we're living in a simulation start to have a different kind of grounding.
00:39:19.000How deep do you envisage this contact goes?
00:39:25.000You know, when you say the government, the Pentagon, don't want people to see the Mosul Orb, What do you imagine's in those vast nowhere hangers?
00:39:34.000What do you imagine is the kind of contact they've had?
00:39:38.000What do you think Reagan meant when he said at the screening of Close Encounters, there's only a few people in the room that know how real this stuff is.
00:39:46.000How deep do you think the contact has gone and do you think it influences events here?
00:39:54.000Right, so I don't need to believe, I don't have the luxury of disbelief about this.
00:40:00.000You know, it is my job to speak with people in different levels of government and the military and pilots and, you know, look man, I don't have the luxury of disbelief.
00:40:10.000I know for certain, and it has been proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, That we have full intact craft and machines that we've been trying to reverse engineer.
00:40:22.000These machines, they're not from here.
00:40:25.000Whoever built these appear to be a non-human intelligence.
00:40:28.000Now, where they're from, because the word extraterrestrial means just not from Earth.
00:40:33.000But also the word alien, you know, what is alien?
00:40:36.000Alien is anything that is alien to us, right?
00:40:40.000So I know for certain that there have been limited comms or communications with whoever these builders, we'll just call them occupants, or builders of these craft are.
00:40:50.000Now are we being told the truth when we've had these comms with these builders or occupants, right?
00:41:39.000I know for me, I feel like I have a right to know, a need to know, and a personal duty to find out, but I also believe the global public has too.
00:41:49.000If our universe, if the fabric of our reality, if the nature and the topography of what we understand to be real, Is vastly different than what we are being told.
00:42:29.000We're talking about weapons of mass destruction.
00:42:32.000The actual propulsion system in these craft are gravitational.
00:42:36.000If anybody can catch up with the material science to making these materials, which you would need atomic layering in a zero gravity environment, if we were able to replicate that, let's say China does, let's say Russia does, All of a sudden, what happens is that country has an advantage beyond anything that has ever occurred in the history of humankind.
00:42:58.000So this is being taken very seriously by people within our Defense Department.
00:43:03.000I can attest to that personally, that I know that to be true.
00:43:18.000But the big question is, how does it change humanity?
00:43:22.000How does it change the way that we interact with our family?
00:43:25.000How does it change the way that we prioritize our jobs, our work, what we do with our life?
00:43:30.000Once we learn that we are part of a bigger ecosystem, a cosmic ecosystem, and that distance and space and time is irrelevant to travel, It changes the way that we deal with fossil fuels.
00:43:44.000It changes the way that we deal with our basic understanding of interfacing through electronics and communications.
00:43:50.000It changes everything, and it changes it now.
00:43:57.000But the thing is, we're smart, we're capable, and we do grow.
00:44:01.000It's time they open the books on the UFO topic.
00:44:04.000You know that if you change our understanding of I don't know if you call it post-Newtonian physics, our understanding of distance, space, time, velocity, the way that this gravity-based propulsion system suggests that we could do.
00:44:24.000Then I suppose you have to similarly examine The worldviews and philosophies that have grown out of the scarcity and limitation-based ideals that are underrated by that, like the temporal ideology, time is limited and linear, you know, those sort of, obviously, some of Einstein, the theory of relativity challenges that, that space is a sort of an absolute commodity, but there are things in quantum physics that query that, about sort of those objects travelling beyond the speed of light, for example,
00:44:58.000Or, you know, the objects might not be right when you're talking about quantum phenomena.
00:45:02.000So, it seems then, I wonder, it becomes difficult to envisage what the ideologies and philosophies of a species of beings that are able to operate at that level might be, and suggests to me at least, Jeremy, that they might regard us more like flora and fauna.
00:45:24.000We'd be more, we're in ant farm territory rather than, you know, shared members of some space council.
00:45:33.000And I am reminded of the sort of thing Neil deGrasse Tyson sort of said when he was on our show, but I know he says it a lot, because it's pretty cool, if we're 2% smart, if the 2% difference between us and chimps represents all of culture as we understand it, A 2% more advanced species than us would have access to ideas that we can't even conceive of.
00:45:56.000I suppose that's why in our conversation we have to continually move between what's demonstrably true, even though those aspects of this story Any area where you're not getting involved in speculation and conjecture is why you have to be a little more disciplined in the conversation.
00:46:13.000But I'm accustomed, much like their machinery, to move from the quantum realm to the cosmic realm.
00:46:20.000To move between, well, if this is true, then what does that mean?
00:46:26.000I suppose your relationship with Bob Lazar must be super significant to you because he's a person that's been in this space for a long time.
00:46:35.000I suppose most people that are fans of our channel, members of our community, will be familiar with him.
00:46:40.000But my understanding is that Bob Lazar was an independent engineer that was asked to
00:46:44.000work on some recovered technology and had to sign all the usual stuff that you might
00:46:51.000imagine and has subsequently gone on to speak at length.
00:46:55.000There's a lot of, I've seen a very successful video between you and Rogan and Bob Lazar
00:47:00.000talking about, is he legit, is he the real deal?
00:47:05.000And I know that you believe he is and I believe he is.
00:47:10.000I wonder how significant his contribution is to this conversation and how his contribution
00:47:14.000alters with these recent spate of revelations.
00:48:19.000Then the other side, the lighter side is, hey man, they've been here a long time.
00:48:23.000This is obviously some sort of reconnaissance program or some sort of thing where there is interest with human consciousness and these, you know, beings, these non-terrestrial beings that seem to build and operate these craft.
00:48:34.000So it's kind of like pick your poison.
00:48:36.000Who you are will really reflect in your answer, right?
00:48:40.000It's like the evidence shows us that they've been here a long time.
00:48:43.000But how you answer what you think the intent is, it's all speculation.
00:48:59.000For those of your audience who don't know who Bob Lazar is, I think the best way to learn about him is just watch the documentary I made on him, because I tried to humanize him.
00:49:44.000He had cute little nicknames for all of them.
00:49:46.000I have proved that he worked out at Area 51.
00:49:49.000I have talked to other employees that saw him go there and get off the bus and drive down to S4, which is the name of the building where he worked in on these non-terrestrial technologies.
00:50:38.000And how does it relate to what we're seeing in the news?
00:50:40.000Bob Lazar is probably the most central significant person when it comes to the public knowing about our government, our military, reverse engineering, alien spaceship From other worlds.
00:50:56.000Now, today, what we're seeing, man, George Knapp and I said, very beginning, when you see these shootdowns, the United States pops a balloon with a missile, by the way, they didn't even hit its center, it was down to the right.
00:51:09.000When you see that on national TV, what are you really seeing?
00:51:13.000Those balloons have been around forever.
00:51:14.000If we really cared about secrecy within the United States, so no exploitation from China, doing this kind of reconnaissance, we would worry about our cell phones much more than we're worrying about a floating balloon that we shoot with a missile on national television.
00:51:28.000And then, and then, we get all these other shoot-downs.
00:51:32.000I'll just tell you, these are not UFOs.
00:51:35.000These are balloons, and this is all theater.
00:51:38.000Everything you're seeing from the mass media is absolute theater, other than when I do an interview with knowledge on CNN or something, because I fight for that.
00:51:48.000I make sure the truth is being brought out.
00:51:54.000And then from there now, you're seeing this kind of sleight-of-hand thing going on the surface level.
00:51:59.000But underneath the surface, there are people very interested to hear from people like Bob Lazar, who know the names of the programs, who had hands-on experience, and who actually worked on these things unsuccessfully, because we don't have the material science.
00:52:13.000But that is also happening in tandem right now, is good people, patriotic people, are trying to find out what's up with UFOs.