Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 13, 2023


Sound Of Freedom: They Don’t Want YOU To Watch THIS! With Jim C - #167 Stay Free With Russell Brand

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The Critical Drinker
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Mark Zuckerberg Elon Musk Jim Caviezel Reich Tim Ballard Donald Trump Jack Dorsey Fred Oprah Winfrey Joe Biden Russell Kim Kardashian Schellenberger Stravita Saviour Jesus Christ G. Ian Driamo Leveraging Instagram Alejandro Monteverde Benjamin Netanyahu Eduardo Verastegui and 32 more
Tate & Tucker GONE VIRAL! | What It REALLY Means… - #166 - Stay Free With Russell Brand So This Is WHY Movies Are SH*T Now?! With The Critical Drinker - #168 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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This week on Local, Ross and Ross are joined by Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard from the controversial new film 'Sound of Freedom' to talk about its controversial subject matter and why it's causing so much controversy. They also discuss the dangers of the mainstream media's de-amplifying of anger on social media, and whether they're actually de- amplifying it, or are they just trying to make it seem like they are. And, of course, there's still time to catch up with Ross and Jim before they head off to the cinema to see the new film, 'The Handmaid's Tale' in which they discuss the controversy surrounding the controversial film, and what it means for the future of the entertainment industry in general. This episode is brought to you by RUMBLE, a leading independent news and information network. RBM and Local are part of the Global Conspiracy Project, and are committed to bringing you the most critical and up-to-date information on current events and events happening in the world, wherever and however they are happening. RBM is your trusted source for the source for that information. wherever you get it. If you're watching us on Rumble, why don't you press the red button and join us over on Rumble! where we have some fantastic guests on the next episode of Locals, where we'll be covering the latest news and views on the happenings around the world. . and why you should be tuning in to the next week's episode of Local. You won't want to miss it! - it's going to be a wild ride! Subscribe to see what's going on in the future, what's to come in the coming weeks, what will it be like? and what's coming next? What will it's gonna be like in the next few days, what s going to happen in the rest of the news and what will we be talking about in the news? What are you looking forward to in the near future? And who will be the most important thing you're going to get? in the upcoming episodes of Local? - What's the worst thing you'll be getting? We'll be hearing from you, and who's getting the most interesting thing you can expect from us? You'll get the most impactful thing that's coming out next week, right here on RBM, and where's the most powerful?

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00:00:00.000 You.
00:00:32.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:00:48.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
00:00:50.000 Thanks for joining us on the channel that some are calling the best independent news network on planet Earth.
00:00:57.000 That's what some people are saying.
00:00:58.000 Who are those people?
00:00:59.000 Me, my mum, her, the children.
00:01:03.000 I can't pronounce it, but they're aiming to say stuff like that.
00:01:07.000 You know that war in Ukraine is going on and on and on.
00:01:10.000 The mainstream media are pretty excited about it, unable to see the potential for it to lead to cataclysm and disaster as it gets cluster bombed to another dimension.
00:01:19.000 We're talking about Threads as well.
00:01:22.000 Are they de-amplifying anger on there?
00:01:25.000 Or when they say de-amplifying anger, do they mean censoring?
00:01:28.000 And when they say congenial, friendly new platform, do they mean censoring?
00:01:32.000 Is Threads a censoring platform that's trying to make censoring seem like a That's a good thing.
00:01:38.000 If you're watching us on YouTube right now, you will know all about censorship.
00:01:42.000 And if you're watching us on Rumble, and I suggest you do, click the link in the description if you're watching this currently on YouTube to join us over there, where we have a commitment from our overlords at Rumble that they will never censor our content, that we're free to say anything.
00:01:56.000 And that means that we're just reliant on self-judgment, which in my case can be a pretty unreliable faculty, can't it?
00:02:02.000 It's a big old commitment when you think about it.
00:02:04.000 There's a lot of pressure these days to Censor yourself?
00:02:06.000 No, I won't just censor anything.
00:02:08.000 In fact, not even censor yourself, because that's one of the things that Tayibi and Schellenberger were talking about, that, you know, there's a policeman in your head, you're policing, you can't trust yourself, you can't trust your own nature, that's part of what the misanthropy inherent in the system starts to do.
00:02:22.000 Come see the misanthropy inherent in the system!
00:02:25.000 That's from Monty Python's Holy Grail.
00:02:28.000 If you're watching us on Rumble, why don't you press the red button and join us over on Locals?
00:02:33.000 We've got some fantastic guests.
00:02:34.000 We're going to do the guests on Rumble just in case.
00:02:36.000 Do you know who it is?
00:02:37.000 It's Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard from that new film, Sound of Freedom, which has somehow got itself all controversial.
00:02:44.000 And what I can't work out, let me know in the chat what you think.
00:02:47.000 Is it controversial because of the subject of stopping trafficking of children, which would seem to be a pretty good subject universally?
00:02:54.000 That's not a political issue, is it?
00:02:56.000 That's everyone agrees.
00:02:57.000 Everything's a political issue, Ross.
00:02:59.000 Hey! 0.99
00:03:00.000 Don't traffic those children! 1.00
00:03:02.000 Do traffic those children! 1.00
00:03:03.000 That's a one-way argument!
00:03:04.000 Unless you're actually involved in the trafficking of children, I don't know what it is.
00:03:07.000 But that's one of the things I'm going to be asking Tim and Jim.
00:03:09.000 Jim is pretending to be Tim.
00:03:12.000 I'm gonna go, pretend it's Jim.
00:03:14.000 Pretend to be Tim right now.
00:03:15.000 Blow all our minds.
00:03:15.000 Right.
00:03:17.000 Blow Tim's mind.
00:03:18.000 Whoa.
00:03:18.000 Wow.
00:03:19.000 Yeah, so we're going to have that conversation.
00:03:20.000 I'm going to be talking about that.
00:03:21.000 It's interesting as well because later this week I'm talking to Critical Drinker about movies and the ideology that appears to be influencing and directing how movies are made these days.
00:03:34.000 I wonder if this film is successful because of its subject, because of its economic model, why is it causing such controversy?
00:03:40.000 Obviously I'm going to be talking to Jim and Tim about that.
00:03:44.000 GM and Jim! 0.93
00:03:44.000 Jim and Tim! 0.93
00:03:46.000 But MSNBC, you know from the mainstream media, they are pleased as punch, they're cock-a-hoop, they're giddy with glee that Russia is completely surrounded by NATO allies, even though that seems to me to be the very sore thing that could precipitate a nuclear conflict, and we're all suffering that, I think.
00:04:04.000 We're all going to suffer.
00:04:05.000 I mean, I don't know if we learned anything from Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
00:04:08.000 I don't know that it was that great of a thing.
00:04:10.000 Was it?
00:04:11.000 Let's have a look at the mainstream media.
00:04:12.000 They don't seem to remember it.
00:04:14.000 It is extraordinary what Vladimir Putin has done to himself, but also what Joe Biden and NATO has been able to manage.
00:04:22.000 And that is a Russia that is completely surrounded by NATO allies.
00:04:28.000 And you look at the Balkans...
00:04:31.000 That's actually a promise that was made that's been broken, isn't it?
00:04:34.000 At the end of the Cold War, which defined the lives of those of us that grew up in the 80s and 90s in particular, a pledge was made between the United States of America and Gorbachev, then the head of the Soviet Union, now Russia, that they would not infringe by even one inch on former Soviet territories.
00:04:51.000 And now, unlike Morning Joe, which claims it's a sort of sensible, loving show... Is it a sensible, loving show?
00:04:57.000 When I was on there, they were very rude to me.
00:04:59.000 Like they're sort of reveling in and excited by Gareth, like Finland and Estonia, Latvia and in particular most obviously Ukraine being NATO territories.
00:05:08.000 That's not good, is it?
00:05:09.000 No, I see that map as absolutely terrifying.
00:05:12.000 A little bit like the one that shows the US bases surrounding China.
00:05:17.000 I don't see that as a win. 1.00
00:05:19.000 How can you put this on mainstream media and say, Russia, the idiots, seem to think we're infringing on their territories. 1.00
00:05:25.000 This is why Russia is a bad country and why they're idiots and why there is no need to escalate the conflict. 1.00
00:05:31.000 It's absolutely absurd. 0.99
00:05:32.000 You're referring to the map of Chinese territory that is now similarly encircled by, what is it, US assets in this instance?
00:05:40.000 US naval bases, I think it is.
00:05:41.000 US naval bases, there it is.
00:05:44.000 Like, whenever you see those stories on the news, a drone was knocked down.
00:05:47.000 Where was that drone?
00:05:48.000 You don't need to know where the drone was, just know that Russians knocked it down.
00:05:53.000 Where was it?
00:05:54.000 It was in Russia.
00:05:56.000 A Chinese warship cut us up.
00:05:58.000 Summit Chronic, where was it?
00:05:59.000 Just there by China, as a matter of fact. 0.99
00:06:01.000 Stop, like, going in people's gardens and then complaining that you stood on their rake, you lunatics. 0.96
00:06:06.000 Let's have a look at the rest of this piece of mainstream propaganda, see what they're so excited about. 0.87
00:06:10.000 ...as Admiral Stravita said, that's now the NATO lake.
00:06:19.000 You know, you and me could put everything on the table this morning, starting at six o'clock.
00:06:23.000 I gotta tell you, it's all on the table.
00:06:24.000 Did he say Reich?
00:06:25.000 It sounded like he said Reich.
00:06:26.000 Don't say Reich, that's not... like you never hear... I don't even know what the first and second Reichs were.
00:06:31.000 No.
00:06:31.000 I just know that by the time they did the third one, much like the Matrix films, it was terrible.
00:06:36.000 I think stop using the word after that.
00:06:37.000 Do you think we can ever rehabilitate reich? 1.00
00:06:40.000 This is a reich but it's a different type of reich.
00:06:42.000 It's a reich that's right.
00:06:43.000 That's what they'll be doing on freds and stuff like that.
00:06:45.000 They're trying to sort of sell reichs as a positive thing.
00:06:49.000 This is a reich at a price that's right.
00:06:51.000 It's a lovable reich.
00:06:52.000 It's a reich with a twinkle in his eye.
00:06:53.000 How would he elect to use that word then?
00:06:55.000 Did he actually say reich?
00:06:56.000 Go back a bit just in case he didn't say reich and he stuttered because don't say reich.
00:07:00.000 Reich is a word that's now had to pick up and put on its hat And leave the lexicon of polite language.
00:07:07.000 No, I said right.
00:07:07.000 Did you say right there?
00:07:08.000 You said right, because if you'd said right, I'd have been all over you! 0.99
00:07:12.000 Like, stick on a monkey!
00:07:12.000 I know you would.
00:07:14.000 I'd have been all over you, like, stick on a monkey's private! 1.00
00:07:17.000 No, I know. 0.98
00:07:18.000 I'd have been right up you! 0.86
00:07:19.000 You would.
00:07:20.000 Go on, let's have a look.
00:07:22.000 See what I'm saying?
00:07:23.000 Come on, we want to know.
00:07:24.000 Lake.
00:07:25.000 Uh-oh! 0.94
00:07:26.000 You know, you and me... Go back a bit.
00:07:29.000 Give us a breath to get into it.
00:07:30.000 I forgot, is it Jack doing that?
00:07:31.000 Admiral Stravita said, uh, that's now the NATO lake.
00:07:37.000 That sounded like Reich.
00:07:38.000 Are they talking about... Let me know in the comments what you heard there.
00:07:41.000 I heard Reich.
00:07:42.000 Is that... Is that Reich? 0.60
00:07:44.000 They don't sound that similar.
00:07:45.000 to to to to right kaka I mean there was a long pause after it yeah certainly was
00:07:45.000 Right.
00:07:50.000 bloody ridiculous all right so what else is it what's going yeah do we need to 0.95
00:07:54.000 watch this for the end or they just sort of saying it's a good thing that Russia 0.97
00:07:57.000 are being provoked yeah that is what they say so look at the other headlines
00:08:01.000 around this story gate says he will co-sponsor amendment to block cluster
00:08:06.000 bombs Ukraine this cluster bomb story let me know what you think about this
00:08:09.000 this is one of the the most perfect recent examples of how a story can
00:08:15.000 change it or an object in fact can change its qualities based on the
00:08:18.000 context is placed in cluster bombs a year ago were dangerous deadly lethal
00:08:24.000 irresponsible weapons but now cluster bombs are the answer of course what many
00:08:28.000 people are saying is that the Ukrainian counter-offensive is failing dreadfully
00:08:31.000 it's a bloodbath that Ukrainian bodies bodies are being stacked up, that this whole imperative to 1.00
00:08:38.000 destabilise and diminish Russia was always going to require Ukrainian deaths, and that's a 0.99
00:08:44.000 price that NATO and the US are willing to pay.
00:08:48.000 They don't care that Ukrainians are dying, and because Ukrainian people are proud and
00:08:51.000 they have been criminally invaded, they are of course willing to fight what seems like
00:08:56.000 an unwinnable war against an opponent that historically tends not to lie down.
00:09:02.000 It seems completely absurd but the cluster bomb itself is.
00:09:05.000 Irresponsible, nefarious, dangerous weapon.
00:09:09.000 120 countries have signed a treaty saying that it should be banned.
00:09:12.000 And if you by the same mentality that justifies the use of cluster bombs could be used to justify anything up to and including nuclear arms.
00:09:22.000 Yeah and Gates is one of the examples of members of the Republicans that have said that this is not a good idea.
00:09:27.000 I think several members of the Democrat party have said the same thing.
00:09:30.000 Obviously Joe Biden is going ahead with it anyway.
00:09:34.000 But you remember with the Democrats going back a few months as well then when they wrote that letter to Joe Biden regarding the Ukraine war and asking him to you know reconsider and to try and push for peace and that they were you know that was essentially turned down that letter.
00:09:51.000 Peace deal was taken off the table.
00:09:53.000 Benjamin Netanyahu revealed that.
00:09:55.000 I don't know why I keep going on about him.
00:09:56.000 You're never going to meet him.
00:09:57.000 The Ukrainian defense minister says his country is a great testing ground for Western arms.
00:10:01.000 Is that how they're advertising it now?
00:10:04.000 Literally, it's like explicitly become a place where weapons are tested.
00:10:08.000 Well this is that uh Aleski Reznikov and you remember he was in the news uh a few months ago for saying that Ukraine was now de facto NATO country.
00:10:19.000 Oh yeah.
00:10:19.000 Part of the alliance so he's now saying something which he actually said before this time what he appears to be kind of saying it's really interesting so he says for the military industry for the military industry of the world so already we're talking about the military industrial complex we're not talking about countries we're not talking about war we're talking about the military industrial military industry of the world you can't invent a better testing ground which is like a mad thing to hear that you can't invent a better testing ground almost like as we may suspect this has become
00:10:53.000 A showroom for the best weaponry in the world.
00:10:57.000 He also says that the Russians are watching, the Chinese are watching. 0.84
00:11:01.000 Everyone's closely watching how these weapons perform.
00:11:04.000 And China, buying weapons from Russia, are also watching Russian weapons to see how they perform.
00:11:10.000 Almost like this whole thing is about how the weapons perform rather than the geopolitical elements of it.
00:11:18.000 It's extraordinary the number of contexts that are colliding here in this ludicrous conflict.
00:11:25.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, we're going to leave you now for a number of reasons.
00:11:29.000 Firstly, because we're going to show you a deep dive analysis of Threads.
00:11:34.000 Is Threads the new home of censorship?
00:11:37.000 If you're watching this on a platform that is heavily censored, If you're watching us on a platform that was indicted in the Twitter files, then, or at least implied to be carrying deep state objectives in the Twitter files, then you'll have your own answers and your own suspicions, I'm sure.
00:11:51.000 Also, later in the show, we're going to be talking to Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard about the Sound of Freedom.
00:11:56.000 So click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble, because there's questions I'm going to ask.
00:12:02.000 I simply can't ask on this platform.
00:12:05.000 Join us there.
00:12:05.000 So see you in a minute.
00:12:06.000 Click the link in the description.
00:12:07.000 If you're watching us on Rumble, thank you very much.
00:12:10.000 I want to have a look now at this brilliant presentation that we made on the social media site, Threads.
00:12:17.000 We've been talking about it for a little while.
00:12:19.000 I actually joined up to Threads and I've got sort of a question.
00:12:22.000 I feel a bit bad about it actually.
00:12:24.000 I'm on there.
00:12:25.000 Is it the wrong... They've not censored me yet, as far as I know.
00:12:25.000 You are?
00:12:27.000 I've not been looking at it in too much depth.
00:12:28.000 I think you've got to be on there to see what happens.
00:12:31.000 See what's in there.
00:12:31.000 You'll get censored at some point, Brand.
00:12:33.000 I'm bound to, but the mainstream media are... They're... The way that they are propagating and celebrating this channel is...
00:12:41.000 Outlandish and outrageous.
00:12:43.000 It's not balanced reporting at all the way that it's being spoken of.
00:12:47.000 It's clearly something that they're willing to push because my assumption is that they share the same values there as mainstream media outlets, as legacy media outlets, that they're willing to censor in the same way.
00:13:01.000 So let's have a look at this.
00:13:03.000 They're saying, of course, that what they're doing is de-amplifying anger, creating a social media site where we can all be congenial and convivial and friendly with one another.
00:13:12.000 But actually, I think those are all code words for censorship, with Zuckerberg saying on Lex Friedman's brilliant podcast that he regretted censoring true and debatable information.
00:13:22.000 What an extraordinary turnaround this is, because it's been revealed that they are going to run Fred In exactly the same way they run other Meta properties like Facebook.
00:13:32.000 Controlling, censoring, highlighting information.
00:13:36.000 And this as well, after the EU fined Meta, I think, over a billion dollars for packaging up and selling European data to America, which is completely illegal.
00:13:46.000 This is a fantastic investigation.
00:13:48.000 You'll love it.
00:13:48.000 After this, we'll be talking to Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard about Sound of Freedom.
00:13:52.000 But for now, threads.
00:13:54.000 Here's the news.
00:13:55.000 No, here's the effing news.
00:13:58.000 No. 1.00
00:13:59.000 Here's the fucking news! 0.99
00:14:02.000 Good news, everyone! 1.00
00:14:03.000 A new social media platform where you're guaranteed to be censored!
00:14:07.000 Threads!
00:14:08.000 Sorry, did I say censored?
00:14:09.000 I mean, your anger will be de-amplified!
00:14:12.000 You're gonna have to de-amplify my anger, baby! 0.98
00:14:14.000 I'm getting pretty furious!
00:14:16.000 Ah, I feel better now I've been nice and censored.
00:14:21.000 It's amazing that Mark Zuckerberg has launched this new platform to rival Twitter where it's almost guaranteed to commit the same kind of sensorial atrocities that took place at Twitter and in other social media spaces in the era of the laptop and the...
00:14:37.000 Once again taking place unobstructed by righteousness or any commitment to transparency.
00:14:42.000 Let's have a look at how the mainstream news are wallowing and glorying in the advent of this new social media platform that they can censor again.
00:14:51.000 Let's have a look at this on the mainstream.
00:14:52.000 Mark Zuckerberg's company, Meta, has launched its new app that's expected to compete with Twitter, which has faced backlash under the ownership of Elon Musk.
00:15:01.000 Backlash from you! 0.98
00:15:03.000 The text-based app, known as Threads, looks nearly identical to Twitter and has seen more than 30 million users sign up since yesterday's launch.
00:15:11.000 What I want to draw your attention to is what we call editorializing or narrativizing.
00:15:16.000 The way that she's speaking about Fred's is broadly positive.
00:15:18.000 The way she speaks about Twitter is broadly negative.
00:15:21.000 Nearly 30 million signups.
00:15:23.000 Well done, guys.
00:15:24.000 A horrific 50 million people use Twitter.
00:15:27.000 This is what we are accusing the mainstream media of, presenting information in ways that are favourable to a pre-set agenda.
00:15:34.000 You'll see it in the news currently, with the story around cluster bombs.
00:15:38.000 When Russia used cluster bombs last year, BOOM!
00:15:41.000 Russia and America facilitate Ukraine's use of cluster bombs. 0.71
00:15:45.000 Necessary!
00:15:46.000 Cluster bombs.
00:15:47.000 Either a cluster bomb is bad, or it isn't.
00:15:49.000 Particularly in the context of military warfare, they're not using cluster bombs to blow up materials to build orphanages with.
00:15:55.000 Although, you're gonna need a lot more orphanages, so that might be another use for them.
00:15:58.000 So just watch out for the editorialization in this piece.
00:16:01.000 Celebrities from Oprah to Kim Kardashian to Jennifer Lopez.
00:16:06.000 Ooh! 0.96
00:16:07.000 Already joining the app that looks fairly similar to Twitter.
00:16:10.000 Yeah, because it's mimicking it.
00:16:12.000 Because what's happened is Elon Musk has publicly declared that they're not going to censor content on Twitter anymore.
00:16:17.000 So they've recognized, hey, we can start a new site where we will censor content.
00:16:22.000 It's like the episode of The Simpsons where Homer is ahead of the stonecutters. 0.98
00:16:25.000 They think, oh no!
00:16:26.000 How do we deal with having Homer in the stonecutters?
00:16:28.000 Just start another thing that Homer's explicitly not allowed in?
00:16:32.000 The ancient mystic society of no homers.
00:16:37.000 This might as well be called Twitter that we're allowed to censor again.
00:16:41.000 The launch coming just days after Twitter announced limits on its app, including how many posts users can read per day.
00:16:48.000 The changes led by controversial billionaire Elon Musk.
00:16:52.000 What we're witnessing now is an attempt to extract, diminish, deplete Elon Musk's ability
00:16:58.000 to present counter-narratives to you.
00:17:00.000 Even if you disagree with Elon Musk about, I don't know, free speech or conservatism
00:17:04.000 or whatever it is, I don't know anymore because I don't believe in any of those systems or
00:17:08.000 any of those alliances.
00:17:09.000 I've just completely lost faith in all of it.
00:17:11.000 You have to respect the principle of allowing people to communicate openly.
00:17:16.000 Of course fascism is bad.
00:17:18.000 Of course hate speech is bad.
00:17:19.000 Prejudice, bigotry, violence, terrorism, these things are all bad.
00:17:23.000 But what I think is happening is hate speech and free speech are becoming conflated in order to facilitate the new category of misinformation, disinformation to justify censorship.
00:17:33.000 And once that happens, it will happen arbitrarily.
00:17:36.000 Not arbitrarily, actually.
00:17:37.000 It will happen at the whim of the powerful.
00:17:39.000 Already, we know, because of Edward Snowden, the state and big tech are collaborating to share and exchange your information.
00:17:46.000 The problem with Twitter is not, oh no, there's hate speech on there.
00:17:49.000 The problem is he's not complying with their agenda.
00:17:52.000 Just think about it for a moment.
00:17:53.000 What do you think they really care about?
00:17:56.000 Hate speech?
00:17:57.000 Yeah, you know, which is bad.
00:17:58.000 We all know it's bad.
00:17:59.000 Not complying with their agenda.
00:18:01.000 Just reflect on it for a while and then let me know in the comments what answer you come up with.
00:18:05.000 I'll say what I want to say and if the consequence of that is losing money, so be it.
00:18:10.000 Meta describing its vision as creating positive and creative space to express ideas.
00:18:16.000 Leveraging Instagram's more than 2 billion users.
00:18:19.000 A positive and creative space to express ideas that will decide which ideas remain out there expressed and which ones just disappear.
00:18:27.000 Posts on the app can be up to 500 characters long with links, photos and videos up to five minutes.
00:18:33.000 This is promo!
00:18:34.000 This is promo!
00:18:35.000 It's on the news!
00:18:36.000 They're promoting it on the news, aren't they?
00:18:38.000 They're just saying Oprah Winfrey, Kim Kardashian, woo!
00:18:41.000 More characters!
00:18:42.000 You can't say that you hate McDonald's but you love Burger King.
00:18:47.000 Either you think fast food joints are irresponsible, peddling bad food with too much fat and sugar that deplete the environment because of the way they graze cattle or whatever it is, and I'm not saying it's not an important issue, I know it is.
00:18:47.000 Can you?
00:18:58.000 I'm just saying that if you don't like McDonald's, you sort of also have to not like Burger King.
00:19:03.000 You can't say, McDonald's is terrible, but Burger King, I love their place.
00:19:07.000 Why don't you like McDonald's then?
00:19:08.000 That M. I don't like that M. That's because they don't have any principles.
00:19:11.000 What they have is an agenda.
00:19:12.000 They have an agenda instead of principles.
00:19:14.000 Elon Musk.
00:19:15.000 Saying that Elon Musk flew into a rage is editorialising.
00:19:23.000 She weren't there.
00:19:24.000 They don't know what Elon Musk's doing.
00:19:26.000 It's just this is the way we're presenting the information.
00:19:28.000 Elon Musk is hysterical and full of hate like his whole platform.
00:19:32.000 Zuckerberg, he's candid, he's open, he's promoting creative open spaces.
00:19:36.000 I bet you something else you'll see, that social media accounts of mainstream media pundits and organisations more generally are promoted and thrive in threads.
00:19:44.000 You'll notice that.
00:19:45.000 Said their Twitter competitor, Threads, would be sanely run.
00:19:50.000 An obvious dig at the Nazi-friendly dumpster fire Musk's Twitter has become. 0.92
00:19:55.000 Nazi-friendly dumpster fire! 0.70
00:19:57.000 Now, remember, the use of Nazis and the evocation of the imagery and atrocities of the Second World War is almost a cliché for arguments that are running amok and going crazy. 0.54
00:20:12.000 Once you associate someone with the Nazis, you're sort of saying we have the right to exclude them from the conversation.
00:20:18.000 When in fact what has happened to Twitter under Elon Musk is he said everyone's free speech should be protected no matter where they are on the political dial or spectrum.
00:20:28.000 That's not what the Nazis did.
00:20:30.000 The Nazis censored and shut down all information, promoted certain ideas, obviously leading to horrific genocide and atrocities against racial groups and sexual identities and even Though what we're witnessing now, I believe, is a different kind of authoritarianism.
00:20:46.000 It is about the control of information and control more broadly.
00:20:51.000 And I think using that kind of language is very telling and indicative of the type of territory we're moving towards.
00:20:56.000 Let us know in the comments which of these two facilities more resembles an ideology that's about control.
00:21:02.000 Zuckerberg's Threads launched yesterday and it's looking like it actually has a shot of besting Twitter.
00:21:08.000 In less than 24 hours, Threads had more than 30 million subscribers.
00:21:13.000 It has an innate advantage compared to the many other Twitter alternatives that have cropped up, since you can automatically follow everyone you are already following on Instagram, and they can automatically follow you, creating instant community and familiarity.
00:21:26.000 Oh, that's so fantastic!
00:21:28.000 You're tracking our information, you already have our data, we can already map one app onto another app.
00:21:33.000 Also, look at the conversation we're not having.
00:21:34.000 What are these apps actually doing?
00:21:36.000 What is their policy when it comes to sharing information with the government?
00:21:39.000 Look at how this is being covered versus how the Twitter files was covered.
00:21:43.000 What was revealed by brilliant, credible journalists, Tayibi, Barry Weiss, Schellenberger, people who care about investigations and have this principle.
00:21:51.000 Here's the information, you decide what you think about it.
00:21:53.000 They don't editorialise except for rather elegantly drawing references to literature like Huxley and Orwell who seem increasingly perspicacious and relevant.
00:22:02.000 Mainstream media, nothing.
00:22:04.000 Nothing on that.
00:22:05.000 Silence.
00:22:05.000 This story, which is essentially promo, they burst out of the gate with 30 million.
00:22:10.000 Woo, baby! 1.00
00:22:12.000 Woo, we get to censor again.
00:22:14.000 We can just dance naked in the sweet rain of censorship.
00:22:18.000 In an interview with The Verge, Instagram CEO Adam Osseri calls Twitter a pioneer in the space but says its volatility under Musk has opened the door for threads.
00:22:28.000 It's not its volatility under Musk that has opened the door to threads.
00:22:32.000 It's the fact that they're no longer compliant in the same way with deep state agencies.
00:22:36.000 FBI had agents literally working there.
00:22:38.000 Payments were made.
00:22:40.000 Information was extracted.
00:22:41.000 True information was censored.
00:22:43.000 Zuckerberg admits that.
00:22:44.000 Zuckerberg's Gone on podcast Lex Freedman's notably and said we censored information that we shouldn't have done.
00:22:50.000 You know, asked for a bunch of things to be censored that in retrospect ended up being more debatable or true.
00:22:56.000 Now would you like to come onto our new platform?
00:22:58.000 Of course next time it won't be the exact same emergency.
00:23:01.000 It'll be a slightly different crisis that facilitates and necessitates, in their view and words I predict, the censorship.
00:23:09.000 We can't platform these type of voices.
00:23:11.000 Of course it's very easy to highlight things that we all agree on.
00:23:14.000 I think we all agree, don't we? 0.93
00:23:15.000 That hate speech, racism, bigotry, hatred of people based on the way they identify is foolish, wrong, old-fashioned, history. 0.98
00:23:22.000 Forget it, move past it. 0.90
00:23:23.000 I urge you, I pray that you move past that craziness if it's something that lingers in you.
00:23:28.000 But the ability to censor true conversations about scientific matters, experts sharing data that's contrary to the overt intentions now of the state and corporate interests, that is a necessity.
00:23:41.000 What they are doing, let me tell you plainly, is they are recognising that now, with independent media as advanced as it is, it's possible to propagate and disseminate ideas that contradict mainstream narratives fast.
00:23:53.000 You can get a character like RFK or perhaps even more notably Donald Trump bypass all of the gatekeepers of MSNBC, CNN, but what Threads is, no, we'll play ball your way.
00:24:05.000 And that's why the mainstream media are playing ball with Threads.
00:24:08.000 NBC News has reached out to Twitter for comment but just received an automated response.
00:24:13.000 Let's look at this in more detail so we can decide for ourselves What we believe to be true rather than being smashed in the face with lies like a big daft hammer with CNN written on it.
00:24:22.000 Mark Zuckerberg met a CEO ushered in users with his inaugural post.
00:24:26.000 Let's do this.
00:24:27.000 Welcome to Threads.
00:24:28.000 He described Threads as a friendly alternative to Twitter, an app that lets people indulge in text-based conversations with a 500 character limit and the option to share links, photos and videos.
00:24:38.000 Zuckerberg seems to be putting a lot of emphasis on keeping threads congenial.
00:24:42.000 Right, so congeniality, I predict this.
00:24:44.000 The same way that safety is used to undergird state interventionism.
00:24:49.000 We're doing this to keep you safe.
00:24:50.000 We're doing this to keep you safe.
00:24:52.000 Well, can't I keep me safe?
00:24:54.000 No, we'll keep you safe.
00:24:55.000 I don't want you to keep me safe.
00:24:56.000 We're keeping you safe.
00:24:57.000 And convenience is used when it comes to commerce and commodity.
00:25:00.000 It's gonna be so convenient, give us all your data, then you'll just have to show your face and you'll walk straight in, right?
00:25:05.000 That's safety, convenience, now congeniality.
00:25:07.000 This is friendly.
00:25:08.000 Let's unpack what they mean by congenial, just another word for friendly.
00:25:12.000 What do they mean by friendly?
00:25:14.000 And for who?
00:25:14.000 Friendly to what?
00:25:15.000 And for what purposes?
00:25:16.000 Zuckerberg stated in a Wednesday post, the goal is to keep it friendly as it expands.
00:25:20.000 I think it's possible and will ultimately be the key to its success.
00:25:24.000 I use Twitter because it's part of my work, right?
00:25:26.000 I don't use it like, oh, I wonder what so-and-so are doing.
00:25:29.000 But the media class use it to promulgate, to propagate, to disseminate information.
00:25:36.000 And they like it that certain information gets promoted and other information gets shadow banned, which we know happens thanks to the Twitterphile revelations.
00:25:43.000 And what they object to, I believe, is that they kind of lost their favourite space.
00:25:48.000 It was a space they were in control in.
00:25:49.000 Dorsey says it was wrong to ban Trump from Twitter.
00:25:52.000 Probably the right decision for the company, but the wrong decision for the world.
00:25:56.000 And of course it is. You can't ban Donald Trump, former president of the United States,
00:25:59.000 while there's ISIS on there and neo-Nazi Ukrainian battalions.
00:26:03.000 If hate speech is wrong, hate speech is wrong.
00:26:06.000 Not, I like that hate speech, but not that hate speech.
00:26:08.000 And it's very complicated. In the end, you have to go, bloody hell, just let people work it out. 0.96
00:26:11.000 Don't you? Do you? Let me know what you think in the comments. 0.97
00:26:13.000 He candidly went on to take a swipe at Twitter, suggesting that its lack of success is due to its desire to
00:26:19.000 support more free speech.
00:26:21.000 I think there should be a public conversations app with one billion plus people on it, said Zuckerberg.
00:26:26.000 Twitter has had the opportunity to do this but hasn't nailed it.
00:26:28.000 Hopefully we will.
00:26:30.000 But of course what Zuckerberg means when he calls for congeniality is censorship.
00:26:34.000 Isn't that great?
00:26:35.000 This is what this article is pointing out.
00:26:36.000 Congeniality will be used to underwrite censorship.
00:26:39.000 And isn't that exactly how things are going at the moment?
00:26:42.000 What you said wasn't very congenial.
00:26:42.000 Hello there.
00:26:44.000 We're going to have to censor you.
00:26:46.000 You have 20 seconds to comply.
00:26:48.000 It's often said, almost to the point of cliche, that we were offered by great English writers of the last century two visions of the future.
00:26:56.000 Orwell's brutal 1984 vision of overt authoritarianism, the jackboot, the prison cell, the torture, the rats, the room 101, the nastiness, big brother.
00:27:06.000 And Huxley's more gentle, almost like iPhone aesthetic before it happened.
00:27:11.000 Clean, smooth lines.
00:27:13.000 People in pods just gently supine under the influence of Soma.
00:27:18.000 A gentle, friendly, lovely drug.
00:27:21.000 Nullified.
00:27:22.000 Automated.
00:27:23.000 What this system, and I think that social media networks like Fred's are just part of it, I think they're designing it, is a vision of the future.
00:27:31.000 Not where like in Orwell's vision is a jackboot pounding on your face.
00:27:34.000 It's you actually licking a jackboot. 0.74
00:27:37.000 Willingly loving the jackboot, a sugar-covered, friendly, congenial jackboot that you're licking like a lollipop. 0.91
00:27:43.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree.
00:27:45.000 On Thread's first day of operations, users already reported having their posts taken down, mainly for political reasons.
00:27:51.000 Some accounts say they are being blacklisted or greylisted.
00:27:55.000 That's the only area where things aren't black and white, is the degree to which they censor you.
00:27:59.000 When you try to follow a problematic person on Fred's, you might be warned that their account has posted false information or has violated community guidelines.
00:28:07.000 You have violated community guidelines.
00:28:10.000 Welcome to the gulag.
00:28:11.000 Gulag?
00:28:12.000 Sorry, I mean play park.
00:28:14.000 Oops.
00:28:15.000 I said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet.
00:28:17.000 Oh dear.
00:28:18.000 Censorship techniques that have been honed by Meta on Facebook and Instagram are already being zealously deployed on Threads.
00:28:24.000 How many of you feel a sort of sense of personal disappointment that after seeing Mark Zuckerberg saying it was wrong for Facebook to censor true information, to hear that they're going to be using techniques honed during that period of draconian and interventionist censorship once more?
00:28:41.000 Don't you feel sort of personally disappointed?
00:28:43.000 Or were you not so naive as me as to be pulled in by those testimonies to personal change that Zuckerberg made?
00:28:50.000 Certainly many of the fiercest critics of Musk-era Twitter have been clear that what they want is more censorship.
00:28:56.000 From the very day Musk took over last year, every inch Twitter has taken towards greater free speech has sent the Twitterati into spasms.
00:29:02.000 For loosening up the rules on what people can tweet, Musk was accused of empowering fascism.
00:29:06.000 For restoring the accounts of formerly banned users, he was accused of having blood on his hands.
00:29:11.000 And for shaking up Twitter's verification system, for allowing ordinary people to get themselves a blue tick, he was accused of enabling disinformation and conspiracy theories.
00:29:21.000 That's the fundamental idea here and I think it's important, isn't it, to try to continue to identify what the underlying principle is.
00:29:33.000 The underlying principle of censorship has to be, it has to be, we know better than you what is good for you and therefore we are going to control what you have access to.
00:29:43.000 Of course it's never presented like that.
00:29:44.000 It's always like, there's these baddies, and the baddies are doing bad stuff, and we'll, don't worry, we'll deal with the baddies.
00:29:50.000 Of course you have to say that, but you deal with the baddies.
00:29:52.000 They're not in your house.
00:29:53.000 They're just on your phone. 1.00
00:29:54.000 Like, oh, that's bullshit, that's bullshit. 1.00
00:29:55.000 Like, aren't you, we're capable of that, aren't we? 1.00
00:29:57.000 Aren't we doing that all the time?
00:29:58.000 I mean, aren't we doing that right now with this?
00:30:01.000 Aren't we looking at this and going, oh, this isn't what they're saying it is.
00:30:04.000 Friendly.
00:30:04.000 Oprah Winfrey.
00:30:05.000 Isn't this going to be great?
00:30:06.000 What they're doing is they've created a new space that they can censor because they've lost the ability to censor the last space.
00:30:11.000 They've recognized they can't control it.
00:30:13.000 So, all right, let's just set up an adjacent space.
00:30:15.000 That's essentially what's happening, isn't it?
00:30:17.000 Let me know in the comments.
00:30:18.000 This is what explains all the excitement over Threads.
00:30:20.000 The tweeting classes are desperate for a return to the censorious pre-Musk status quo.
00:30:25.000 They yearn to be protected from the free expression of the masses.
00:30:28.000 They want social media to be a safe space again.
00:30:31.000 They want big tech to be their big brother.
00:30:33.000 Meta is already too powerful.
00:30:35.000 One company controls what much of the public is allowed to see.
00:30:38.000 And if Threads succeeds, it will have 80% of the global market outside of Russia and China, according to one industry insider.
00:30:45.000 Well, fortunately there's no plans to go to war with Russia and China by proxy on spurious bases in order to diminish their power and conquer the whole world and achieve a kind of globalist super state where everything is super friendly and super congenial.
00:30:59.000 So friendly now since we killed all the Russian people. 1.00
00:31:02.000 Yeah, isn't it?
00:31:03.000 As such, it's reasonable to expect that Meta will censor precisely the same way the large news media corporations, including the New York Times and corporate advertisers, want it to.
00:31:12.000 One of the things I learned from talking to Jack Dorsey is that he feels that he'd had no choice as the CEO of Twitter.
00:31:18.000 Because this is what happens, right?
00:31:20.000 Like, you might think Jack Dorsey's the world's worst guy and love Elon Musk and all that.
00:31:23.000 I don't obviously mind what you think in the privacy of your own mind.
00:31:26.000 I don't mind what you say down there in the comments.
00:31:28.000 But this is what I learned from listening to him.
00:31:31.000 He's the CEO.
00:31:32.000 People say, look, advertisers are saying they want Trump banned.
00:31:37.000 Look at what's happening to our value on the stock exchange.
00:31:40.000 Oh, no, it's going down.
00:31:41.000 Right, ban Trump.
00:31:42.000 Oh, look, the value is going up.
00:31:43.000 Cool.
00:31:43.000 So the sort of market, as it were, is what controls it.
00:31:46.000 But the market isn't like a weather system.
00:31:48.000 It's not meteorology.
00:31:49.000 It's not nature.
00:31:51.000 It is reflective of things like confidence, ideology, and agenda.
00:31:55.000 The market can be rigged and biased.
00:31:57.000 Of course it can.
00:31:58.000 That's how there are people that are brilliant at it.
00:31:59.000 How do you think Paul Pelosi and Nancy Pelosi are operating?
00:32:01.000 I don't know.
00:32:02.000 I've got no evidence of that.
00:32:02.000 That's just alleged.
00:32:03.000 What I'm saying is, is the market is not an independent entity.
00:32:06.000 It's a set of interests.
00:32:07.000 And while there is volatility in markets, and there are accidents in markets, it is representative of a set of interests and an agenda, wouldn't you say?
00:32:14.000 So Twitter censored in accordance with market principles.
00:32:18.000 What this is doing is saying, we will regulate to make this ultimately a space for advertising.
00:32:23.000 I mean, why are they not saying that on the news?
00:32:24.000 They go, oh, it's great.
00:32:25.000 It's going to be friendly, free speech.
00:32:26.000 No, it isn't.
00:32:27.000 It's a place where censorship can take place and where advertisers can say we're not gonna find our post up against something we don't like because in free speech people say crazy stuff like you do, like we all do.
00:32:39.000 You think they're so perfect? 0.99
00:32:40.000 You think they haven't accidentally said something that's dumb or stupid or hurtful? 1.00
00:32:44.000 Called being human. 0.99
00:32:45.000 And I think that's what offends me most of all, is that they don't want us to be human.
00:32:48.000 They want us to pretend to be something that we're not, to not have a shadow, to not have fissures of darkness and sadness and pain and remorse and regret running through each of us.
00:32:57.000 But coming with that, the possibility for redemption, salvation, healing, new conversations, they want us frozen and ossified in this pose of piety that could never be real.
00:33:06.000 So we won't be real.
00:33:07.000 We'll become like their act.
00:33:09.000 Hello, I'm so congenial.
00:33:11.000 Oh, that wasn't very friendly, was it?
00:33:15.000 More censorship is what the mainstream news media, big corporations, and their celebrity pitch people have been demanding.
00:33:21.000 Meta's business model is about getting the public to spend more time online so Meta can profile us more and make advertising money.
00:33:27.000 For that reason, Fred's has an extra zero privacy protections, allowing companies to know one's location and consumer preferences.
00:33:27.000 Full stop.
00:33:34.000 Full stop.
00:33:35.000 Unlike Twitter, Fred's collects data about health and fitness, financial info, sensitive info, and other data.
00:33:41.000 Oh my God.
00:33:42.000 It's literally worse than Twitter.
00:33:43.000 It's worse.
00:33:44.000 It's not better.
00:33:45.000 Oh my God.
00:33:45.000 the European Union fined Meta a record 1.3 billion dollars after finding the Facebook
00:33:50.000 parent broke its privacy laws by transferring user data from Europe to the United States.
00:33:55.000 Oh my god, the European Union had to fine them because they just transferred a bunch of private
00:34:02.000 data from one continent to another.
00:34:05.000 They do illegal stuff.
00:34:05.000 That's illegal.
00:34:07.000 It's very difficult because we don't know how to conceptualize something like data, do we?
00:34:11.000 Because it's not like gold or oil.
00:34:13.000 It's a more complicated concept.
00:34:15.000 But as we advance, as we begin to understand this, we'll see how much power we've given them.
00:34:20.000 And we'll see how they're misusing that power.
00:34:22.000 And we'll see the way that they are doing it is by pretending it's for you.
00:34:26.000 Fred isn't for you.
00:34:27.000 If it was just you, they wouldn't bother to create it.
00:34:30.000 It's for them.
00:34:31.000 One of the oldest maxims of social media is if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.
00:34:36.000 So you're the product.
00:34:37.000 Even now, while you're watching this, I know that there's programmatic ads in this.
00:34:40.000 We know that we have commercial sponsors.
00:34:42.000 We try to be responsible about the way that we deal with that.
00:34:44.000 And we don't use your data in irresponsible ways.
00:34:47.000 What we want is to create a movement of awakened, responsible, Open-minded, good-hearted individuals that we can communicate with.
00:34:54.000 And I see myself as being on that journey with you, no better than you, no worse than you, part of humanity with you.
00:35:01.000 Flawed, making mistakes.
00:35:02.000 What they want is an anodyne, supine, congenial, friendly, censored, shut-down, market-friendly place that they can absolutely control.
00:35:12.000 And according to that European Union fine, they're not worthy of that trust because they are abusing it criminally.
00:35:18.000 But that's just what I think.
00:35:19.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.
00:35:20.000 See you in a second.
00:35:21.000 Thank you for choosing Fox 4 News.
00:35:23.000 Thank you so much.
00:35:23.000 No.
00:35:23.000 Here's the fucking news!
00:35:31.000 Now we are being joined by an actor who is not only pretended to be actual Jesus in Passion of the Christ. 0.99
00:35:38.000 Do you remember going to see Passion of the Christ?
00:35:39.000 Yeah.
00:35:40.000 I went and saw it.
00:35:41.000 Very good indeed.
00:35:41.000 When I saw it, something went wrong in the cinema and I had to go and turn the lights on at the back, which isn't normal.
00:35:47.000 I saw it in Camden.
00:35:47.000 What?
00:35:48.000 I went to see Passion of the Christ.
00:35:49.000 It was much more intense than I thought it was going to be.
00:35:51.000 I don't know why I didn't think that the Passion of the Christ would be intense.
00:35:53.000 I mean, I know what Jesus went through.
00:35:55.000 The crucifixion, the passion, the lashing, the abuse.
00:35:55.000 Yeah.
00:35:59.000 The name-calling.
00:36:01.000 All just to name a few of the trials of our Lord.
00:36:04.000 Something went wrong in the cinema and I had to turn the light on and I remember being most proud when I said let there be light before I turned the light on.
00:36:10.000 And I didn't get as much as you deserve.
00:36:10.000 Very good.
00:36:12.000 Do you feel a little bit like in that moment you slightly became Jesus?
00:36:17.000 I was trying to imply that to the cinema goers of Camden, Camden North London of course, but they didn't come with me on that journey at all.
00:36:26.000 They were much more, Jesus is the embodiment of the unknowable and nuministic entity that we call God.
00:36:32.000 He is the potential for all of us to transform and become loving and awakened souls.
00:36:37.000 And if you want someone who's not Jesus to be Jesus, Get Jim Caviezel.
00:36:42.000 Jim's starring in Sound of Freedom, a new film based on the true story of a U.S.
00:36:45.000 homeland security agent rescuing children from human traffickers in South America.
00:36:49.000 We're right interested in it.
00:36:51.000 Primarily I'm interested, of course the subject matter is fascinating, but it's a film that's been made in a different way.
00:36:56.000 It's been funded in a new way, it's been promoted in a new way, and it's had extraordinary mainstream media pushback and some extraordinary Accusations about the motivations of the film and the audience of the film have been made.
00:37:09.000 So all of this is stuff that I'm excited to cover with both Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard, who Jim plays in the movie, who'll be joining us a little later.
00:37:16.000 Jim, are you there?
00:37:18.000 What's your motivation in making this film, Jim?
00:37:18.000 I am.
00:37:22.000 Is it that you were compelled by the story, compelled by the issue?
00:37:26.000 I'm assuming you're Christian, Jim.
00:37:31.000 Was your own Christianity a factor?
00:37:33.000 And do you think it's a particularly Christian story?
00:37:38.000 Well, if you want to go to the biblical story, no greater love have you than give your life for another.
00:37:45.000 No greater love And, you know, I came into depth of that when I was doing the Passion of the Christ.
00:37:57.000 I was electrocuted.
00:37:58.000 I had my shoulder dislocated.
00:38:00.000 I had two heart surgeries, including open heart.
00:38:04.000 I had hypothermia and it infected my lungs.
00:38:08.000 And for about 10 years after that, I struggled.
00:38:14.000 I wanted to show people a level of Christ that people would feel like they would have an encounter.
00:38:23.000 So I asked God to play me, and that was the difference maker in that film.
00:38:29.000 In the same way in Sound of Freedom, when I met Tim and what he had been through, that's also a biblical story where you would sell everything you have for that one pearl that Jesus speaks about.
00:38:46.000 And I've had the things that can fill you in your heart in this world.
00:38:57.000 I felt like this was my service as an actor to help people out and bring them to God.
00:39:12.000 My involvement in this film, I have three children all adopted.
00:39:17.000 I became very well aware of nefarious activities even in the orphanages and things around the world and the dangers that children undergo and so I feel like I would In a heartbeat, give my life for my family or my children and felt that the dangers that they're going to undergo now, and especially within the media that is not giving the truth of what's happening or ignoring it, that
00:39:58.000 I felt that this might be able to do something.
00:40:01.000 And Tim, who's an incredibly special human being, sought me out for this because he saw the passion, and he saw The Count of Monte Cristo, and those were two films he liked.
00:40:14.000 And I didn't think, you know, being an actor when I was younger, that this is where I was going to end up.
00:40:20.000 But there was something there that was Um, you know, doing The Passion was like climbing Mount Everest on the hardest side of the mountain.
00:40:30.000 And, uh, you know, um, I used to do comedies, Russell.
00:40:33.000 Did you know that?
00:40:36.000 Seems like a stretch today, mate.
00:40:37.000 Sounds like you've got the weight of the world on your shoulders.
00:40:40.000 Like, Jim, obviously you're an actor that takes your work incredibly seriously, as all great actors do.
00:40:46.000 Perhaps that's one of the ways that I've suffered in that industry.
00:40:50.000 What we'll do, I know that Tim's ready to join us now, but we'll have a look at the trailer for Sound of Freedom,
00:40:56.000 and then Tim Ballard, upon whose story the film is based, will be joining us, and we'll be continuing to talk about
00:41:05.000 Jim as well.
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00:41:08.000 People are saying these are lovely people.
00:41:10.000 That's Primal Colin.
00:41:11.000 This is an important story that needs to be told.
00:41:13.000 People have seen the film and think it's amazing.
00:41:15.000 If you'd seen the film, you'd understand the heaviness, says Rogue Nation.
00:41:19.000 And of course, I've spoken to people involved in this production, and I realize it's an extremely serious subject.
00:41:24.000 We're going to be joined by Tim just after the trailer.
00:41:27.000 Let's have a look at the trailer now.
00:41:31.000 It is the fastest growing international crime network that the world has ever seen.
00:41:37.000 It has already passed the illegal arms trade.
00:41:39.000 And soon it's gonna pass the drug trade.
00:41:43.000 Because you can sell a bag of cocaine one time to the child five to ten times a day.
00:41:50.000 God's children are not for sale.
00:41:55.000 How long you been doing this?
00:41:58.000 Four years now.
00:42:01.000 How many pedophiles you got?
00:42:02.000 288. 0.98
00:42:02.000 288. 0.98
00:42:04.000 We can't do that.
00:42:06.000 We are now joined by Tim Ballard upon who the movie is based.
00:42:15.000 Tim, thank you so much for joining us to talk about Sound of Freedom.
00:42:19.000 How are you today, mate?
00:42:21.000 I'm doing great, Russell.
00:42:22.000 Thanks for having me on your show.
00:42:24.000 It's an honor to have you.
00:42:24.000 Thank you so much.
00:42:25.000 We learned, I personally learned about this film when a friend of mine told me about it a couple of months ago.
00:42:30.000 He told me about the significance of the story.
00:42:32.000 He told me about his personal involvement.
00:42:34.000 They had met you and he knows about the Railroad Project and he was incredibly excited and honored to be involved. I'll just make sure that I won't publicly
00:42:42.000 say who it is because I'm not sure if I'm supposed to. So I've known about your film for a little
00:42:47.000 while. Tim, you're clearly a man who's inspired some very strong feelings. You're clearly a
00:42:54.000 vocational and devoted man and it's plain that only a person that has direct experience of
00:42:59.000 playing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ would be fit for the job.
00:43:04.000 So that's fantastic casting right off the bat there.
00:43:08.000 We're getting Jim Caviezel on board.
00:43:10.000 Can you tell me a little bit about the process of getting this film made?
00:43:16.000 Tim, tell us how you've come to be in this position and as well touch on stuff and why you believe it's so important that people see Sound of Freedom.
00:43:25.000 Yeah, great.
00:43:26.000 So I spent 12 years as a special agent, undercover operator, and I would get deeper and deeper as the years went on trying to find the root of the problem.
00:43:35.000 Eventually started getting overseas and started doing overseas operations.
00:43:39.000 And in 2012, 2013, I was working a case in Colombia, got further than I was supposed to get, and they said, come home.
00:43:46.000 And I said, I can't.
00:43:48.000 I've made myself the bait.
00:43:49.000 I've gone too deep.
00:43:51.000 And they said, well, then you have to quit your job if you want to continue the operation.
00:43:57.000 And I did.
00:43:58.000 It was a very difficult decision.
00:44:00.000 And we went ahead, and my wife and I decided to quit.
00:44:05.000 And we finished the operation as, you know, private citizens, if you will.
00:44:10.000 And the operation was enormous.
00:44:12.000 It ended on October 11, 2014.
00:44:16.000 The biggest operation, the biggest rescue operation that I think I've ever heard of.
00:44:19.000 There was over 120 women and children rescued, 15 traffickers arrested.
00:44:23.000 And the mainstream media in the United States, back when they Everybody thought it was still good to say child trafficking is bad.
00:44:31.000 They reported.
00:44:33.000 It's the craziest thing.
00:44:34.000 It was all over the news.
00:44:36.000 Everyone was like, yay, we're helping kids.
00:44:39.000 And one of the producers, Eduardo Verastegui, Alejandro Monteverde, saw that clip with the mainstream media.
00:44:45.000 And that's how they found me, ironically, through the mainstream media and said, let's make a movie out of this.
00:44:49.000 Nine years later, The same mainstream media is acting like, well, I don't think it really happened.
00:44:56.000 It's the most bizarre twist of events, but that's how it got started.
00:45:01.000 And they came to me and said, who do you want to play you in the film?
00:45:05.000 And right out of the gate, I said, Jim Caviezel.
00:45:07.000 Hands down, Jim Caviezel.
00:45:09.000 And at first they said, They love Jim as an actor, but they wanted someone that looks a little bit like me because they had written into the script kind of this transitional thing at the end where they show real footage.
00:45:21.000 And I said, I don't care.
00:45:23.000 Look, I'm not a big fan of Hollywood producers. 0.93
00:45:27.000 I think that some of the Stuff that's produced there is the reason we have a demand for child sex in the United States.
00:45:36.000 And I know Jim is in, but not of, Hollywood.
00:45:38.000 He loves Jesus.
00:45:39.000 I love Jesus.
00:45:40.000 And that's it.
00:45:41.000 And they said, okay, we'll move forward with Jim.
00:45:43.000 And they know they made the right decision.
00:45:45.000 I'm trying to think who else could have done it.
00:45:47.000 I mean, you gotta have Jim Cavieza.
00:45:49.000 When he flashes that smile, you're in all sorts of trouble.
00:45:53.000 I'm trying to think of what other casting direction you could have gone in there to tell you the truth, Tim.
00:45:58.000 Now, like, of course, yeah, I'm old enough to remember when child sex trafficking was universally condemned.
00:46:06.000 I'm also old enough to remember that when people used to speak about networks of uh child sex stuff that it was sort of regarded as a conspiracy theory then there were some high-profile stories in our country that suggested that there was more truth to it than people had dared to imagine because it's such a horrific thing for most of us even to contemplate that then of course in recent years we've had the Epstein story which makes it
00:46:30.000 Yet more palpable that there appears to be a connection between these most nefarious and uh let's say sort of ghouling and ghoulish activities and the activities of powerful people and now having spoken to both of you for a few minutes it becomes pretty plain why people why certain aspects of the media are not willing to promote this film one i think it's because it's an economic model that's outside of their control it's a promo model that's outside of their control And it's plain that from just from your most recent answer, Tim, that you believe there's a connection between this type of activity and powerful institutions, shall we say.
00:47:13.000 So evidently there is, you know, now it makes more sense.
00:47:16.000 But what I'd read up to now is that they were saying it's connected to groups like QAnon and conspiracy theories.
00:47:23.000 But one of the things I've learned over the last few years, and I'm certainly not saying I believe... I don't believe in anything until there's proof.
00:47:27.000 I just can't be bothered with the arguments.
00:47:29.000 But certainly the last few years have shown me that things that start off as conspiracy theories end up being verified and I pray to God that this is not something that gets further verification.
00:47:41.000 Tim, I want to say mate that obviously you've gone into areas that most people aren't willing to Confront.
00:47:49.000 Most, everybody of course is opposed to exploitation and violence, all right-minded, sane and awakened people of course, but most of us haven't experienced the jagged end of this type of cruelty.
00:48:03.000 It seems that Jim has, it's been difficult for Jim just sort of playing you and going through the process of promoting this film What kind of burden and scars are you carrying or do you feel enriched and empowered by the success of the work more than you feel traumatized by the dark side of it?
00:48:25.000 It's a mixed bag.
00:48:27.000 I have a million holes in my brain.
00:48:27.000 It depends on the day.
00:48:30.000 You can't watch thousands of hours of small children being sexually assaulted without having some pretty serious damage.
00:48:39.000 Again, there's a reason I asked Jim to play me.
00:48:43.000 Because that spiritual side is the only place I have found healing.
00:48:47.000 You know, a really cool story.
00:48:49.000 Jim didn't know this.
00:48:50.000 He ad-libbed my favorite line into the movie.
00:48:53.000 He didn't know that was my line for life, my line for my operations.
00:48:57.000 When I'm going into dark places, such that you see depicted in the film, there's a line from the scripture I read to myself over and over again.
00:49:04.000 It's where Jesus stands on little children. 0.98
00:49:07.000 It's the only time perhaps in the Bible where he truly gets violent, even mafioso violent, in his language because he says, I think we kind of pass by this too quickly sometimes when we read the Bible, he says that it's better that a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea than that you should hurt one of these little children.
00:49:28.000 I mean, that is, it's Jesus, so it's righteous, but it's also mafioso.
00:49:31.000 It's like cement shoes kind of stuff.
00:49:33.000 Right?
00:49:33.000 Like, this is what the mafia does to people when they cross them.
00:49:36.000 Well, this is what Jesus is going to do to you if you cross these little children. 0.99
00:49:40.000 That was important to me because I say to myself when I'm going into dark places, I'm scared.
00:49:44.000 Don't get me.
00:49:45.000 You're going to watch that movie and think I'm some brave guy.
00:49:47.000 I'm no braver than the next guy.
00:49:48.000 I'm scared to death going into these undercover situations where my life's on the line.
00:49:52.000 But I say to myself, Jesus is violently on my side.
00:49:57.000 And that means I can have faith That I can be violently on his side, and we're gonna be okay.
00:50:03.000 And so, in the movie, there's a scene, it's a real scene in a cafe where we arrest this pedophile.
00:50:10.000 In the film, his name is Oshensky.
00:50:12.000 And Jim leans over and ad-libs a line that's not in the script.
00:50:18.000 And he didn't know this was my go-to line.
00:50:20.000 He looks at the pedophile moments before he's about to be arrested, and he says to him, Better than a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea, than you should hurt one of these little ones.
00:50:30.000 And the actor, who did a phenomenal job, he didn't know what to do because, I mean, Jim's ad-libbing this line, and it seems out of context for a millisecond, and then two seconds later you realize what Jim's doing. 0.95
00:50:42.000 You realize what the actor, Jim, is doing, trying to depict me sending a message to this sick, sick person before he goes down.
00:50:51.000 And That is why Jim Caviezel had to play me because that's, to answer your question, that's how I heal.
00:50:58.000 I heal during the operation.
00:50:58.000 I only heal.
00:51:01.000 During the dark moments, I've already begun my process of healing because I bring Jesus and all that Jesus brings and redemptive power from the get-go.
00:51:12.000 So both of you are able to endure these experiences and render them through your connection to a gangster Christ.
00:51:22.000 Christ that's willing to take it to the dark places.
00:51:26.000 This is not the Jesus peacefully with the lamb.
00:51:29.000 This is the Jesus with the moneylenders. 0.73
00:51:31.000 This is the Jesus with the millstones.
00:51:34.000 So, like, that's pretty serendipitous and synchronous, Jim, that you were able to come up with that line.
00:51:41.000 It's pretty plain that your Christianity directs you as an actor and as a man.
00:51:47.000 How did you bring that to bear on this part, and in particular, in that scene?
00:51:53.000 Well, if you go back to the Passion of the Christ, Our makeup artists, Christian Tinsley and Keith Vanderlyn, they were showing, Mel Gibson was showing the Shroud of Turin and it had, when they showed it and put it up on a kind of light that could come through it, you could see all of the track lines in it.
00:52:24.000 The Cat O' Nine Tails, the whips they used on him, and immediately both of them believed that this was real.
00:52:34.000 And then I said, why are you making such a big deal of it?
00:52:37.000 And they said, well, look at his face.
00:52:39.000 There's such a piece to it.
00:52:41.000 And then they pulled, I said, I don't understand.
00:52:45.000 And they pulled this out and you see this picture, this This is how all of the bodies they use from people that have been decapitated, murdered, or anything, and the way that they, when a person dies, the face is frozen in that horrible look, and you see the face of Jesus on that, you see, does this look like a criminal?
00:53:09.000 Now, when I was doing the, so I, the, The work that I was going to do on this, I had to go to those depths because when people watch it in the theater, they're having a personal experience with something internal inside of them.
00:53:30.000 And there was no different than when I was with Tim and I had to go to the places.
00:53:35.000 So I met with Tim originally and then he was busy.
00:53:40.000 I went over to Utah and got to see his whole place where he works and his men and everything.
00:53:52.000 And then I went to other agents that I've known for many years that I went through and started researching all of this stuff.
00:54:00.000 And you couldn't look at this stuff without having some protection in your soul.
00:54:07.000 But what drove me more than anything was my own children and possibly losing them.
00:54:15.000 And so that weaponized me.
00:54:17.000 That made me, obviously, as you say, the Jesus that was going to be a bit of a thumper in this one.
00:54:25.000 And so I was Um, you know, it's, it's, I, I, uh, I even thinking about it right now.
00:54:38.000 Um, it just, I think the children and seeing, um, that, uh, it, it, it, it's different than an adult watching something that's older, but it relates to Jesus because he was the most innocent there ever was.
00:54:56.000 And the children are the closest to that.
00:55:00.000 Yes, I've heard it argued that what we're saying about the radiance that comes through the innocent is because they're not fully materialized, fully alloyed to the material world, you can experience God consciousness more through the young, through youth, even with cute young animals.
00:55:16.000 There is a sense that the pure original condition can be experienced more before we Go through the various trials and conditioning that takes place that delivers us into adulthood and often the state of dull conformity that that renders.
00:55:32.000 True Nature's Child says, Jesus the big G. Ian Drummo says, Jim is actually looking a lot more like Tim in this interview than I've ever seen him before too.
00:55:40.000 Didn't recognize him in first, so doing a good job On that front too.
00:55:45.000 Caroline Joyce says, do they think enough is being done by governments and law enforcement to track down the perpetrators of crimes of this nature and prevent future crimes from happening?
00:55:56.000 What do you think, Tim Bard?
00:55:57.000 Oh, Jim's straight in there.
00:55:59.000 Jim ain't mucking about.
00:56:00.000 It's a hard answer from Jim.
00:56:02.000 Go on then, guys.
00:56:04.000 Let me know what you're thinking.
00:56:05.000 Well, let me tell you, no, not at all.
00:56:08.000 I mean, first, start with a basic fact.
00:56:10.000 There's about five drug agents in the United States government for every one anti-child trafficking agent.
00:56:14.000 But it goes much deeper than that.
00:56:16.000 An awareness, by the way, in a republic, theoretically, when the people get loud, we'll see those numbers shift.
00:56:23.000 Tim, Jim, I really appreciate both of you for this devout and serious undertaking.
00:56:30.000 I can see that it's put both of you under incredible strain and I'm really very grateful to you for the work you're doing and that you are obviously continuing to do and for your level of commitment.
00:56:44.000 Thanks for getting up early and joining us.
00:56:46.000 I really appreciate it.
00:56:47.000 Thanks, Russell.
00:56:48.000 Take care, Jim.
00:56:49.000 Take care, Tim.
00:56:50.000 Thank you very much for your time.
00:56:53.000 On the show tomorrow, I'm going to be joined by The Critical Drinker, a very popular and successful YouTuber who shares honest and hilarious critiques of movies.
00:57:02.000 Have you seen him yet?
00:57:03.000 Go away now! 1.00
00:57:05.000 It's absolutely extraordinary.
00:57:06.000 Let's have a look at him right now.
00:57:09.000 Thanks for having me on, man.
00:57:10.000 I can't believe it.
00:57:11.000 I'm sandwiched right between Tucker Carlson and Ron DeSantis.
00:57:14.000 I've got a lot to live up to on this one.
00:57:17.000 You better come up with some pretty powerful right-wing ideology right now.
00:57:21.000 You surely love the critical drinker.
00:57:24.000 A man who has analyzed and critiqued contemporary cinema with a perspective that you're unlikely to see in the mainstream.
00:57:31.000 I think we are definitely stuck in a rut as a culture when it comes to just relying on the past.
00:57:39.000 As you say, the motivation behind these IPs and these franchise movies is no one's willing to take a risk.
00:57:47.000 What they lack with these modern characters that they try to do is that they're not willing to take that step of have them fail and be vulnerable and have flaws and weaknesses.
00:57:56.000 We're going to talk about Sound of Freedom.
00:57:58.000 Why is this movie causing so much controversy?
00:58:02.000 I'm also going to start referring to the Critical Drinker by his actual human name, and I'm going to ask you to remove them aviators. 0.67
00:58:08.000 Not yet!
00:58:09.000 Not while we're still on YouTube!
00:58:12.000 So there you go, that's our show tomorrow.
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