Is it okay to call some people a fascist? Or is that just a convenient term to describe people who don t agree with the way things are done in the modern world? In this episode, we take a look at what it means when Hillary Clinton uses the term 'fascism' to describe Trump supporters, and why she thinks it's good that Giorgia Maloney is now the new Prime Minister of Italy. Stay free and spread the word to your friends and family about this fantastic show! Stay free, and remember, every single year, we do a massive live community event where you get to attend a free community event in which we help junkies and nutters in treatment centres, and help them to get well. We don't help them stay well, we help them get well, and we don't let them stay the same. And remember, when you're feeling unwell, send us a donation to the Stay Free Foundation, which helps Junkies and Nutters in Treatment Centres all around the world get well and stay free from drugs, alcohol and other addictions. We do that all the time, and it helps them to stay free and get a good night's rest. Stay Free, and Remember, when they're not getting well, they don't keep that, they're getting well. . You can join us on Stay Free AF - and remember that you can join our FB group, where we do massive live events all over the world, and get well! . . . and we'll be giving you access to all the free stuff you could use to keep you in the most of your favourite places in the world. You don't have access to everything you could ever dream of? If you're tired of the mainstream media and want to be free, stay free, you can get a discount code: stay free AF! , stay free! Stay Free! We're giving you the chance to join our live community events, and there's a chance to support us on our community events and get in touch with us to get the most awesome stuff you can do your best to help you get out of your day-to-day life in the best possible deal possible. We'll even get a free ad-free day and get 20% off your favourite Stay Free Day and get 15% off of our newsletter, and receive a discount on our Stay Free FASTEST day of the day, too!
00:11:42.000Thank you for joining us on this journey to freedom.
00:11:45.000We've got a fantastic show for you today.
00:11:47.000We're going to be talking to Wim Hof, a hero of mine, a roaring modern-day shaman, a man who accesses the great power that lies beneath order, for where else but there will change come from?
00:12:00.000If you can't get change from within the system, you're going to have to get change from outside of the system.
00:12:04.000And what's the most personal, intimate, smallest system?
00:12:07.000I mean, of course there's molecules, of course there's quarks.
00:12:10.000I'm talking about your personal identity.
00:12:12.000On today's show, we're asking the question, are some fascists okay?
00:12:17.000Or are all these terms manufactured for political gain?
00:12:21.000That's because Hillary Clinton, of course, recently called Donald Trump supporters fascists because of their little one-finger salute there, and of course because of some of the nationalism that's believed to be part of Trump's rhetoric and ideology.
00:12:33.000Let me know in the comments, let me know in the chat what you think about that.
00:12:36.000I know a load of you love Trump, I know a load of you don't love Trump, but I'll tell you what I know more than anything is that you are all Welcome here, because I believe that what unites us is more significant than what separates us, and if we can overcome the cultural collisions that they're trying to create, we can create a movement powerful enough to challenge the establishment.
00:12:56.000So, Hillary there was calling Trump supporters a fascist.
00:14:44.000Hillary Clinton has called Trump supporters Nazis, but has declared that she admires that new Italian leader who the left say is a fascist.
00:14:52.000And also though, aren't there Nazis fighting for the Ukraine?
00:15:16.000And also, she has praised new female Prime Minister of Italy, Giorgia Maloney, which sounds like a child's made-up name for an Italian person.
00:15:25.000Hey, Giorgia Maloney, President of Italia!
00:15:29.000praised her for being a woman but being a fascist.
00:16:01.000The fact is, is that the political ideology we need to be concerned about is neoliberalism, which I would define loosely as the pose of social liberalism.
00:16:11.000Hey, you can be free, be who you want to be, do what you want, the individual is important.
00:16:15.000Meanwhile, allowing economic power to carry on unchecked.
00:16:19.000Allowing it to cross borders, evade taxation, and organizing the state to facilitate the interests of corporations.
00:16:27.000All the while going, oh, we care about this vulnerable person, we care about that vulnerable person.
00:16:33.000We live in a neoliberalist world, and I'm a neoliberalist girl.
00:16:36.000Former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has slammed the hand gestures made by supporters of Donald Trump at his Ohio rally comparing them to Nazis.
00:16:46.000Now look, Nazis are definitely bad, but don't you think that what they're probably doing is going, ah, see, that's the sort of thing a Nazi would do, and therefore we can disparage them rather than having a genuine concern.
00:17:17.000But if Trump's supporters are so bad, why, as we've told you before on this channel, why are the Democrats funding MAGA candidates in primaries in order that, you know, the reason is, oh, if we fund this sort of MAGA candidate, then our Democrat candidate will eventually face a lame duck candidate and more Democrats will win.
00:17:35.000But if you truly believe these are Nazis, you wouldn't take the risk, would you?
00:17:38.000Particularly as Hillary initially supported measures that would highlight Trump's campaign because they thought, oh, this guy, he's never going to win anything.
00:17:44.000What I'm saying is, is if you're serious about fascism and you're serious about Nazis, don't spend penny one on supporting their campaigns.
00:18:07.000And we are dealing with complexity, because obviously, we're pro-Ukraine in their fight against Russia, and that fight includes, like it or lump it, Nazis!
00:18:16.000Mrs. Clinton, who was speaking at the Texas Tribune Festival in Austin, said her reaction to the index finger salute seen at the rally was similar to how she used to feel about Nazis, adding, what's going on?
00:18:34.000I mean, yeah, they've got rid of these three, but it's still not good, is it?
00:18:38.000Also, the problem with the Nazis, that wasn't the problem with the Nazis, was it?
00:18:41.000If anything, that was a side effect, or just like, that was a badge of honour for the Nazis.
00:18:45.000If they'd just done that, and none of the other stuff, the murders, the evangelism, the homicides and the genocides... Oh, and then I did that!
00:18:59.000Nazism is, in my opinion, it's creating a group of others, and then enacting a genocide against that other group, in order to facilitate the advancement of a whole set of other goals.
00:19:11.000The bit about doing that, you know, take it or leave it.
00:19:13.000But, let's see, because, right, I'm going to warn you now, we're going to watch this, but watch out, because it could make you go a bit Nazi.
00:19:19.000Look, I mean, I'm feeling a bit Nazi-er, even, oh, but yeah.
00:19:22.000Hillary Clinton once again taking aim at former President Trump and his supporters, this time comparing his Ohio rally to a Nazi rally.
00:19:30.000I bet what it was is he says, okay everyone hold a finger in the air and just think of one person you love.
00:19:35.000If he said it like that it would have been some sort of rhetorical device.
00:19:38.000It wouldn't have been, let's be a bit Nazi but only one-fifth as Nazi as we could be.
00:19:44.000I remember as a young student, you know, trying to figure out, how did people get basically drawn in by Hitler?
00:19:55.000Here's a comparison you might want to make about Nazi Germany, that those figures rose out of social economic crises induced by a globalist agenda.
00:20:09.000Neoliberalism is a political and economic agenda that advantages elites, centralizes financial and indeed political power, and leads to the rise of far-right, far-left, because Stalin was no Great Shakes, nor was Mao, figure also.
00:20:23.000So if you want to prevent extremism, what you have to have is a functional democracy.
00:20:28.000Not a democracy where you highlight Trump in order to ensure that your own party, in this case the Democrat Party, can neglect ordinary blue-collar Americans of all hues, colours and persuasions.
00:20:39.000In fact, when a figure like Bernie Sanders, who I know some of you don't like and some of you do, rises up crushing that dude, because he was saying things like, control the banks, have a proper representative democracy, whether you like Bernie Sanders or not.
00:20:51.000He was a leftist populist figure who I'm sure isn't perfect because he's operating within that system.
00:20:56.000But what I will tell you is that Hillary Clinton and her acolytes and her hegemonist Democrat pals crushed that dude, highlighted Trump, because she wanted to be the president.
00:21:06.000You saw the rally in Ohio the other night.
00:21:09.000Trump is there ranting and raving for more than an hour.
00:21:46.000If you want people not to be drawn to what you regard as extremism, then present alternatives and options instead of Increasing the social tensions, exacerbating existing cultural conflicts, pretending that Trump is worse than he is.
00:22:02.000Anybody that knows anybody knows there's people that like Donald Trump that are alright.
00:22:06.000It's not the same as saying, I think that you should execute people on the basis of their religion or a pre-existing template of what a human being should be.
00:22:16.000Whether you like Donald Trump or don't like Donald Trump, comparing him to a Nazi, is illegitimate, it's wrong, and it's a way of avoiding your own political shortcomings.
00:22:29.000The finger salute at the rally made by dozens of Mr. Trump supporters made headlines, inviting comparisons to gestures seen at an evangelical conference, to the so-called QAnon salute, and even with the Nazi Sieg Heil.
00:22:41.000Some, however, argued it was simply a reference to Mr. Trump's America First slogan.
00:22:45.000So there's various things it could have been, and if you go with the worst possible interpretation, it's difficult not to imagine that that is somehow for political gain, particularly if you're willing to praise Georgia Maloney, who some say, particularly on the left, is a far-right politician, certainly she's praised Mussolini, and if you're willing to support Ukrainian troops that are literal, explicitly Nazi.
00:23:06.000It shows that there's a degree of complexity and certainly invites the question, do you just call people fascists and Nazis so that you can malign, marginalise them and disengage from conversation?
00:23:18.000Which is the one thing you actually need to do.
00:24:04.000Interviewed for the country's leading daily, Il Corriere della Sera, she spoke of the very powerful forces who threaten democracy, from Russian cyber attacks to Donald Trump-style demagoguery.
00:24:13.000But commenting on Maloney, who's been labelled fascist, Clinton said, every time a woman is elected to head of state or government, a fairy gets its wigs.
00:24:24.000I never agreed with Margaret Thatcher, but I admired her determination, she added, referring to the British Prime Minister who played an instrumental role in advancing the neoliberal counter-revolution in the United Kingdom.
00:24:33.000To pretend that there is no direct link between the policies of Margaret Thatcher and the policies of the Clintons is ridiculous.
00:24:40.000Margaret Thatcher, when asked what was her greatest achievement, answered Tony Blair.
00:24:45.000Meaning that from that point on, you couldn't have an old-school left-wing politician.
00:24:51.000Tony Blair was conservatism or republicanism light.
00:24:55.000That's what she regarded as a great achievement.
00:24:57.000And when you look at that more broadly, what it suggests is that beyond apparent bipartisan politics, there is an ideology It's called neoliberalism, which encompasses both of those apparently separate parties in a way that makes them kind of redundant.
00:25:11.000Their differences are not that important.
00:25:14.000That's why they want you to argue about things like gender identity, racial identity, cultural values, tradition versus progressivism, because while you're doing that, very powerful financial interests and state interests are getting on with business as usual.
00:25:28.000You don't need me to tell you that, but I am telling you that because it's my job.
00:25:32.000Thanks in no small part to Clinton and her husband, former US President Bill Clinton, Thatcher's free market ideology and upwardly redistributive policies such as privatisation, pro-corporate trade deals and deregulation of the financial industry also took hold in the United States, worsening inequality and aiding the ascent of reactionaries like Trump.
00:25:54.000Or is the real problem neoliberalism that means apparent partisan distinctions are redundant and irrelevant and ordinary people have got nowhere to go and blindly grope for some sort of solution and apparently gifted orators offering populist solutions will be more attractive?
00:26:12.000Isn't that what should be addressed rather than going around saying someone's fascist because of the way their fingers move about?
00:26:32.000Keep your comments and chat coming in.
00:26:34.000Stay with us for the entirety of the episode.
00:26:37.000Now, I'm very, very excited to share with you my conversation with the fantastic contemporary shaman, a man who, when he lost his wife to suicide, didn't crack, didn't crumble, because I know a lot of you are suffering.
00:26:49.000I know there's a lot of pain out there.
00:26:52.000I'm going to have a fantastic conversation with Wim Hof.
00:26:54.000It's always enlightening to talk to him.
00:26:56.000It's always enlightening to get up on your feet and do the horse dance.
00:26:59.000Wim, these practices, in a sense, you're working at such a crucial place.
00:27:05.000The intersection, biochemical process, which it always would have been, you know, the reason meditation works, the reason that breath work is successful, the reason that these techniques have been around for millennia, is because they are effective.
00:27:19.000And now, and your work has been significant in this, we are able to see what the impact is On the body in the same way you can look at the way that vitamin D is helpful or vitamin C or other forms of more material nutrition.
00:27:33.000It's hard when working in the territory of spirit to make material demonstration and this is what has always led to cynicism and the ongoing favoring of that which is demonstrably true and rationally true.
00:27:48.000But we're beginning to see the end of the road for this model as we approach a kind of planetary cataclysm, whether you take that to be ecologically or a kind of psychic crisis that seems to be happening wherever we are in the world.
00:28:02.000The pandemic, it seems, was a kind of warning, a few years of potential respite and re-examination, but it became a time, in my opinion, of unprecedented corruption, exploitation, Centralised power and elitist profiteering.
00:28:17.000This war in Ukraine, a war in Europe, at this point in our evolution, it seems ridiculous to imagine that we could be in this position.
00:28:26.000And even though, of course, both sides, and I don't mean Ukraine particularly, I mean, you know, it seems that there is some complexity that is not reported in the mainstream media, that is historically underwritten perhaps by the actions of NATO, And the complexities of Ukrainian political life and the various factions that operate within Ukraine, not to mention potential electoral fraud and mismanagement.
00:28:49.000These are all things that I do not claim to be an expert in, but I've seen reported.
00:28:53.000In this evident time of crisis, it is obvious that we have to change, but people do not want to change.
00:29:00.000A lot of people, certainly people that are in positions of power, don't want to change because the systems that are failing a lot of people continue to work for them.
00:29:10.000So I wonder Wim, what kind of methods would you like to see brought to the forefront culturally as well as at the level of the individual?
00:29:21.000And how do you use your techniques to give you a sense of hope and optimism when a lot of people feel that we are moving from crisis to crisis?
00:29:33.000Yes, right now there's actually a crisis from crisis, put Christ out loud.
00:29:43.000What we see historically never happened, but evolution will push through.
00:29:51.000And evolution is saying, hey, the purpose of you guys, humanity, is not to make a mess out of it and not to be in a crisis or in a confusion.
00:30:00.000You have to go past these clouds and come to the understanding that you are able to expand neurologically to 100% of your brain, which is then able to connect with the Omnipresence, Omniscience and Omnipotency, which is nothing more than physics.
00:30:58.000We can nuclearly Kill the world 150 times over and and still we are fighting it is it is not according to our evolutionary Development what it says is hey guys the the guys who are right now in power and taking our money and Parasiting like vultures upon us and trying to win within their arrogance to keep on going as much as people at it and
00:32:25.000We have been held, arrested, and it was nice and smooth, mesmerized, hypnotized, schooled to fit into a system, a hierarchic system, and it all went nice.
00:32:37.000Evolution gave us the time to play around with that kind of model.
00:32:41.000But the change is inevitably coming and we better get our shit together all.
00:32:51.000And we bring it with love and power, music, art, with common sense, tribal, family love for everybody in the world.
00:33:00.000No more insensitivity and wars like the children in Syria.
00:38:49.000There where there is craftsmanship, creativity, where you feel each other instead of being disconnected and into strange abstract thinking and getting lost of your purpose and soul.
00:39:46.000I mean, because, you know, on this show we talk to a lot of people that have academic theories of how the world must change, that have good philosophical analysis of the way that leadership needs to change, that talk about new systems that are required so that people can be empowered in their own lives as individuals and communities, so that we can prevent corrupt and centralized control from dominating the planet.
00:40:11.000But people miss what seems to me to be a vital point.
00:40:16.000It's going to take a change in consciousness and it will be a full body change that we have to become different.
00:40:23.000You know, when I talk to you, sometimes I feel a little hypocritical, Wim, because I still sometimes just sit and watch dumb stuff on a screen.
00:43:30.000When we did Community, you arrived and then we were in the woods and then you did those exercises with my daughter.
00:43:38.000We did the splits, then we marched down and all the festival wasn't set up yet and you started playing a guitar, you got straight into some ice baths, you performed the song, you brought people together, you gave an impromptu lecture on the pharmaceutical industry and the positive impact on breathing exercises, potentially on cancer and a variety of diseases.
00:44:01.000And I think that, you know, when I meet very special people like you, or like the Saint Amma, you know, like, for me, it's important that all of us know that, yeah, there are people that are different and that have a concentration of very particular talents.
00:44:13.000But, like, even me as a person that still, like, stares at stuff online, that still sometimes eats dumb food, that sometimes feels, even in spite of the fact I meditate and do Brazilian jiu-jitsu and try to do all of these things, your breathwork, the ice baths, you know, coming from where I'm coming from, The education I had, the drug habit I had, because of techniques like yours, I've come a long way.
00:44:36.000Like, these techniques are very effective in dealing with the deficits that this system, I think, installs in you.
00:44:43.000Deliberately creates these deficits so that you consume in order to get them.
00:44:47.000I remember, I remember the first time I saw you on TV.
00:46:54.000We bring to honest people and that actually is everybody.
00:46:59.000Besides, when people pass through their traumas and we are able to do that in the centers and our festivals to de-traumatize people, to bring them back to their beautiful self and have the reins consciously in their own hands.
00:47:32.000I'm also fascinated to hear that there's a film being made about you and I'm excited to watch it and I think I should have a cameo in that movie, frankly, Wim.
00:48:16.000I'm going to guide eight people within five days with, say, addiction.
00:48:24.000Crohn's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, depression, whatever they got.
00:48:29.000And I will show that within five days they will be able to embrace their nativeness and a native being is in harmony with the nature outside and inside.
00:48:41.000That makes them very, very, very powerful.
00:49:31.000Now, I'm going to take the reign, I'm going to connect with them, and then tell the Kardashians, hey, come to the BBC series as a guest, or I go to you guys and we do a whole series on whatever, because your reach is power, and power I need to distribute, I give them purpose, something they cannot buy.
00:50:35.000And that is the future because we never had the neurological power and activity in our brain to be able to really connect consciously with those deepest areas within us.
00:51:14.000And in France, they're going to do the Frise de Fille, that is breathing, that is the eyes, and people are getting through their trauma and find their deeper potential, the nativeness and all.
00:51:29.000And then every country, I will take people who are instructors in the Wim Hof Method or in your method, you know, the right people and the right wavelength and do it in their language.
00:52:11.000It's physical evidence-based connection what you're going to get in one day if you get to a center like that because we are humans with all that beauty existence.
00:52:26.000Wim, do you mind answering a few questions that we've been sent in from our audience?
00:52:31.000The first one is Mr. Silence Dugood said, Wim, you almost lost your toes to frostbite while breaking a record running a marathon barefoot in the snow.
00:52:39.000It's the only time I've ever seen you afraid.
00:52:42.000Can I ask you, did you feel fear in those moments when you were speaking to your toes and kissing them and begging them to respond?
00:54:26.000The first thing you do when your heart is on fire, actually cold, is to take, like macrobiotics or homeopathics, they take a little bit of the disease and that makes, awakens an equation inside the blood flow.
00:54:48.000A little bit of cold triggers the deep emotional neurological cold To go away.
00:56:01.000How many rounds is the most that you do?
00:56:05.000Last January, I had to do a 12 series with the BBC, and we only had seven days.
00:56:15.000There I did like one and a half hour of breathing in the morning to cleanse myself of all the shit and I was flawless.
00:56:24.000I could deliver all the time, shop all the time.
00:56:29.000Twelve programs in one week and still we had the time.
00:56:35.000So really, Wim, I reckon it takes, the process for me, like my first round is usually maybe two minutes, then maybe two and a half, then three, then, you know, so like if I do five rounds, I normally get to four, I can get to four minutes.
00:56:51.000So like that process can take, thank you.
00:56:53.000So that process can take, you know, 20 minutes to half an hour to do five rounds.
00:56:58.000Yeah, half an hour to do five rounds and it can take around 20 minutes to do three rounds
00:57:02.000So you probably did like 10 15 rounds 15 15 rounds and yeah When you really need something to be done well
00:57:13.000breathe in the morning Cleanse yourself to the deepest.
00:57:20.000And you can only do that through the breathing, because it directly goes into the bloodstream, into the fluids, past the borders of the lymphatic knots, into the deepest, and it cleanses any acid out of your lymphatic system, which is the garbage system, the deep garbage system.
00:57:39.000And then, if pressure is coming of whatever you need to do in performance, acting, or work, or very important, I don't know, Olympic performance, you will find no resistance.
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00:58:52.000Are they just temporary congressional figures before they go through that revolving door into big business?
00:58:58.000The masterclass with Condoleezza Rice and Madeleine Albright certainly suggests that's the case.