Stay Free - Russel Brand - Stay Free with Russell Brand #007 - What Happens When You Challenge Dominant Power?

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00:13:21.000 This is Stay Free with Russell Brand. 0.99

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00:14:37.000 In today's show, we're asking you a simple question.

00:14:41.000 What happens if you challenge the dominant power?

00:14:45.000 Not dominate power, like it says in my teleprompter, which doesn't make any sense at all.

00:14:50.000 Dominant power.

00:14:52.000 What happens, and the reason we're asking you this, There's a number of reasons.

00:14:57.000 Elon Musk has challenged... I mean, look, it's difficult to portray Elon Musk as like a plucky little match girl, an innocent victim of circumstance, because he is, I think, the richest human there's ever been.

00:15:11.000 But he's coming on our show.

00:15:13.000 He's not coming on today's show, but he's coming on our show soon.

00:15:15.000 I could text him sometimes, I could message him now, but I've got just such a terrible history for doing live messages to people.

00:15:20.000 If you're a British person, you'll know about this.

00:15:23.000 If you're from somewhere else in the world, you won't know about it, and I'm not going to tell you. 1.00

00:15:27.000 You'll have to work it out in one of your chats over there at StayFreeAF, if you're a member of our community, or just on the Rumble stream, if you're watching us on Rumble, and that's the only place you can watch us.

00:15:37.000 That's the only place where we're free to be who we really are.

00:15:41.000 For example, I'm like that.

00:15:43.000 This is the only place where I'm free to be.

00:15:44.000 I actually gave myself a rib spasm there.

00:15:47.000 Do you put much thought into your text to Elon?

00:15:49.000 I was going to say, you wouldn't do it now because you'd surely... You've got to put thought into it.

00:15:49.000 A lot of thought.

00:15:49.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 When I text Elon, I put thought into it.

00:15:53.000 Yeah.

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:56.000 Like, thought goes in it.

00:15:57.000 How many did you do?

00:15:58.000 Was it like you were texting a new girlfriend or something?

00:16:00.000 Yeah, you know like you really love someone and you're not actually sure if they like you yet because you're you're you so you're you know you don't you you know you you're an idiot right so when you're texting someone you want them to love you you're like hi going through various things that you think different personalities you think might possibly work with Elon I'm like I'm trying to be quite cool.

00:16:23.000 Right.

00:16:24.000 It's complicated because Elon Musk, I happen to like him.

00:16:28.000 I think he's really funny.

00:16:29.000 In that conversation I had with him, like a long conversation, I text him because I got his number off Joe Rogan.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, I guess I'm friends with powerful people.

00:16:36.000 Don't really talk about it.

00:16:37.000 Don't really talk about it.

00:16:38.000 Anyway, right, and then I text Elon Musk, and he goes, if you want to chat sometime, he goes, I'm free now.

00:16:43.000 And I was like, suddenly I was in it, on the phone to Elon Musk, and it was like, alright, mate, and he was sort of, he was okay.

00:16:49.000 He went all over the place.

00:16:50.000 He was talking about the origins of certain aspects of, like, Saxon Britain.

00:16:56.000 He was all over the shop.

00:16:57.000 He knew a lot of stuff, man.

00:16:58.000 And I thought, nah, he's probably on Google.

00:17:00.000 But, like, he also...

00:17:01.000 He's got a wide-ranging and brilliant mind.

00:17:04.000 So anyway, when I'm texting him now, also because I want him to come on the show, and he said he's going to come on the show after the deposition, and part of the news is he's getting Twitter, isn't he?

00:17:13.000 Well, he said he will.

00:17:14.000 He said he will now.

00:17:15.000 Oh, sorry, I spoke over the... Go on.

00:17:18.000 Go on, do the news.

00:17:18.000 Do it.

00:17:19.000 Right.

00:17:20.000 Elon Musk's trial against Twitter will press on regardless of New Deal, judge says.

00:17:25.000 They can't deposition him and he's buying it.

00:17:27.000 That's what they're saying.

00:17:27.000 It doesn't even make sense.

00:17:28.000 So he said, I'm not going to buy it.

00:17:29.000 And they said, well, you'll go to trial then.

00:17:31.000 He'll go, all right, I am going to buy it.

00:17:33.000 Well, you'll still go to trial.

00:17:34.000 It's still a trial.

00:17:35.000 You're not getting away without trial.

00:17:37.000 They just want to do a trial.

00:17:38.000 So like, the reason I suppose that this question of the show is what happens if you challenge dominant power is that Elon Musk, because of his unique cultural position, he's basically a one man country, isn't he?

00:17:50.000 Like he's richer than some little countries.

00:17:52.000 He is.

00:17:52.000 He's nearly as rich as the country he come out of.

00:17:55.000 That's right.

00:17:55.000 Like, he's from South Africa, and if he carries on just a few more millions, or is it billions?

00:18:00.000 Billions.

00:18:01.000 Few more billions, 35 more billions.

00:18:02.000 That's right.

00:18:03.000 He'll be as rich as his own country.

00:18:04.000 Yeah, he's got more worth than Colombia, Finland, Pakistan, and Chile, and Portugal.

00:18:09.000 That's amazing!

00:18:09.000 You could just be a country.

00:18:11.000 Like, in that David Foster Wallace book, Infinite Jest, which I've not read all of because it's too hard, it sort of suggests that in the future, countries will become corporatised.

00:18:20.000 That, you know, you'd have a whole country sponsored by Apple, and I bet you will.

00:18:23.000 What would it be called?

00:18:24.000 Elon or Musk?

00:18:26.000 Muscovia.

00:18:27.000 Oh, nice.

00:18:28.000 Elandia.

00:18:29.000 Because I'm, of course, hoping to take over some countries one day.

00:18:32.000 You wanted to buy an island at one point, didn't you?

00:18:34.000 I still would like an island.

00:18:35.000 The thing is with me loving Elon Musk is, generally speaking, with the billionaires, you're not, you think, oh, these billionaires.

00:18:42.000 But Elon Musk is a nice billionaire, is he?

00:18:45.000 He's a funny billionaire.

00:18:46.000 He's not playing by the rules.

00:18:47.000 And also, when you've spoken to someone, then you know about them as a human.

00:18:52.000 And it makes you look at them differently, I suppose.

00:18:56.000 And also, there's sort of lots of things to consider.

00:18:58.000 I mean, actually, on this channel, we do believe in the possibility of some kind of global revolution.

00:19:03.000 These are things you have to consider if you are interested in challenging real power.

00:19:07.000 And believe me, power is real.

00:19:09.000 Because later on the show, I'm talking to Stella Assange, wife of Julian Assange, and like, you know, Some of you will be old enough to remember, based on the chat.

00:19:17.000 Some of you are too old to control your memory, or to contain it, at least.

00:19:21.000 And, like, you know, Julian Assange was a hero initially with WikiLeaks.

00:19:26.000 He was sort of, like, the white-haired rock god of hackers.

00:19:31.000 And then...

00:19:32.000 He was smeared and slandered and is now in Belmarsh Prison.

00:19:39.000 So, ultimately, his wife Stella explained, in a way that's presented as a sort of a legal situation, he's, you know, like, charged with espionage.

00:19:52.000 But actually, she says she rejects that entire legal framework.

00:19:55.000 It's not done anything wrong.

00:19:56.000 And when it's presented legally, it's just sort of a binary situation.

00:19:59.000 You can have a trial.

00:20:00.000 You'll either be proven guilty, not guilty.

00:20:03.000 Well done, Pound.

00:20:05.000 And the challenge is, for her, he's not done anything wrong.

00:20:09.000 It shouldn't be a legal framework.

00:20:10.000 What's he doing in prison?

00:20:11.000 He revealed the war crimes of America and other complicit nations, and there was a CIA plot to assassinate him.

00:20:19.000 You can't extradite someone to a country that said they're going to assassinate him.

00:20:23.000 So a figure like Elon Musk, because of his enormous power, Assange, because of those revelations, both of these figures, I think, in their own way, reveal There is such a thing as dominant power.

00:20:34.000 Elon Musk is so powerful that he can say, well, look, do we want a diplomatic solution to this situation between Russia and Ukraine?

00:20:40.000 It's likely to be this.

00:20:42.000 And Zelensky will respond online.

00:20:46.000 And that brings an important question.

00:20:48.000 I think, to the forefront.

00:20:50.000 When you say you support Ukraine, how much do you support Ukraine?

00:20:53.000 Do you support Ukraine enough to change the picture in your bio?

00:20:57.000 Do you support Ukraine enough to put a sticker up in your work?

00:20:59.000 Do you support Ukraine enough to attend a protest?

00:21:02.000 Do you support Ukraine enough to support military action in Crimea that might lead to nuclear attacks?

00:21:10.000 Let me know in the comments, let me know in the chat.

00:21:12.000 Well, I guess also how much of that military action is potentially affected by, I don't know, the US allegiances with the West also.

00:21:21.000 I mean, that's another question, isn't it?

00:21:22.000 What do you mean, Gail?

00:21:23.000 Well, that it's not necessarily.

00:21:24.000 I mean, we know about the influence of UK and the US within Ukraine.

00:21:30.000 Like, for example, it's alleged that Boris Johnson slowed down imminent peace talks.

00:21:38.000 The accusation is that he told him not to enter peace talks.

00:21:41.000 Don't do a peace talk!

00:21:42.000 Why not?

00:21:43.000 Peace talks is exactly what you should do.

00:21:43.000 There's a war.

00:21:45.000 No!

00:21:46.000 That's sort of more or less what happened.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:48.000 I'm praise-seeing.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, so like, there's a lot to consider, and really what we're considering is the location and reality of real power, but here's some other normal, normal news, so just so that you know what's going on, you know, in the world of normal news.

00:22:01.000 We're going to tell you some important stuff, and normal stuff as well.

00:22:01.000 Alright?

00:22:04.000 Putin signs Ukraine annexation laws amid military setbacks.

00:22:08.000 So he's sort of simultaneously annexing places and militarily retreating.

00:22:12.000 Is that right?

00:22:13.000 Well, he's suffering setbacks, certainly.

00:22:16.000 I mean, the Ukrainians say that they're retaking certain cities. 0.97

00:22:20.000 But he's signed the final papers.

00:22:22.000 Um, and the Regents are apparently accepted into the Russian Federation now, the documents say.

00:22:28.000 So you're saying, like, I've annexed that?

00:22:30.000 That's all annexed?

00:22:30.000 Yeah, even though it doesn't seem like he's in control of them.

00:22:30.000 I've done that.

00:22:34.000 Which is a bold claim, isn't it, to make?

00:22:36.000 That's mine now.

00:22:37.000 Bagsy'd! 1.00

00:22:38.000 I think it's mainly because of that handshake thing he did the other day.

00:22:40.000 He just kind of has to, he can't come back from that.

00:22:42.000 He can't back off on that five-way boy band, the Backstreet Boy handshake now.

00:22:47.000 No.

00:22:47.000 It would be embarrassing.

00:22:48.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 Google teams up with UN for verified climate information.

00:22:54.000 That was the story that Google have supported the UN's preference that when you Google climate change, certain stories come up.

00:23:03.000 There's no climate change, what they would say, climate change denial.

00:23:07.000 We own the science, was what Melissa Fleming, Undersecretary for Global Communications at the UN said.

00:23:12.000 We're going to have a deeper look at that later this week.

00:23:16.000 In a sense, we want to look at the implications of that.

00:23:18.000 The idea that there's collaboration between big tech and the UN.

00:23:23.000 Whether you agree with climate change or don't, let me know in the chat below.

00:23:27.000 That's something we'll be looking at in more depth. 0.95

00:23:30.000 Biden has told officials on a trip to Florida, no one fucks with a Biden.

00:23:35.000 Don't look at Hunter's laptop, is what I'll say, because you might see evidence to the contrary there. 0.93

00:23:41.000 Let's have a look at him saying that.

00:23:45.000 That's exactly right.

00:23:47.000 I won't pinch you. 0.99

00:23:49.000 I'll kick the finger. 1.00

00:23:51.000 You ain't great to me, man. 0.99

00:23:53.000 I won't. No one's f***ing with my man, god damn it. 0.99

00:23:55.000 I can't argue with you brothers outside the house. 0.99

00:23:59.000 That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

00:24:01.000 Do you think so?

00:24:02.000 Like he's just trying to be friends with that bloke and saying stuff?

00:24:05.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:24:05.000 Like me, when I'm texting Elon Musk, I'm thinking, what do I say so as Elon Musk likes the text?

00:24:11.000 Yeah, and he does seem to like it.

00:24:12.000 I noticed when it was written up in the newspaper, it said, the president also told the man, and you'll notice, you can't argue with your brothers outside of the house.

00:24:20.000 It just says, it's unclear what the president was referring to.

00:24:24.000 Right.

00:24:25.000 Inside the house. 1.00

00:24:27.000 Damn you! 1.00

00:24:28.000 Once you're out there, hey baby. 1.00

00:24:30.000 What's the measure for at this point?

00:24:33.000 I don't think that's a metaphor, do you?

00:24:35.000 I think that's a literal rule about... Look, this is what it is.

00:24:39.000 Joe Biden, I think we all know now, he's a bit forgetful.

00:24:43.000 So I think he's sometimes reaching this stuff.

00:24:45.000 Like when he's doing those jokes that are meant to be owning his older age, he ends up saying weird things like, I was 30, she was 12.

00:24:54.000 What?

00:24:54.000 No!

00:24:54.000 There's no context!

00:24:56.000 Ah!

00:24:56.000 You know, and this is kind of like... I think what he's referring to is the idea that in your household, you might be... ...bissin' and a-cussin' and a-roarin' and a-rowin' with your family members, but if anyone else crosses them... Got it.

00:25:11.000 I think that what he's trying to do is appeal to a certain kind of blue-collar mentality.

00:25:17.000 This is Corn Pop territory. 0.98

00:25:17.000 Rough and rumble. 0.98

00:25:20.000 You know that when he likes to talk about Corn Pop?

00:25:22.000 Corn Pop was a bad dude.

00:25:22.000 Oh yeah.

00:25:24.000 Oh, I'd brawl with him when I was a swimming guard.

00:25:27.000 That's what it was, isn't it?

00:25:28.000 This is that.

00:25:28.000 Yeah.

00:25:29.000 It's again that politicians have to continually present themselves as normal, but Joe Biden, whatever he is and whatever he once was, it has to be acknowledged that he's a career politician who's been in Congress for sort of like 45 years that has Extraordinary business relationships.

00:25:43.000 It's been recently alleged on Tucker Carlson's show that he's indeed significant in Hunter Biden's business arrangements.

00:25:51.000 Maybe like the chair of them.

00:25:52.000 Is that what's been alleged?

00:25:53.000 Wasn't he referred to as the chief?

00:25:53.000 Well, the chief.

00:25:55.000 He's the chief.

00:25:56.000 That's not even the sort of words you're supposed to use.

00:25:58.000 He's the head honcho.

00:25:59.000 He's a bigwig.

00:26:01.000 He's the main man.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, so I suppose whilst he operates in a very particular political sphere, he has to present himself as normal in order to be appealing and affable.

00:26:13.000 Now he has the additional challenge of the old forgetfulness.

00:26:17.000 Let me just do a bit more news for you guys.

00:26:20.000 OPEC tries to keep prices high and cuts output by two million barrels in a move that Biden calls unnecessary.

00:26:28.000 Yeah, he's angry about this because, you know, he went over to Saudi Arabia, didn't he?

00:26:32.000 Do you not remember he did to do the old fist pump with the Grand Prince?

00:26:35.000 It doesn't seem to have worked.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, even though they said that they would make Saudi... Biden pledged to make Saudi Arabia a pariah if he got into government, but then he did go there a bit and be double friendly with Saudi Arabians because of geopolitical necessities.

00:26:53.000 Again, this is how power really operates.

00:26:55.000 There's necessary rhetoric, When you're campaigning and then geopolitical realities kick in, the fact is, is there a certain petrodollar and economic relationships that have to be conserved, so whilst it might be plausible to say stuff when you're running for election, you can't make good on those kind of promises within that system.

00:27:14.000 Well, it didn't work anyway because so I started a part of OPEC plus and they're the plus part.

00:27:14.000 That's it.

00:27:20.000 They're the plus part.

00:27:21.000 They're not OPEC.

00:27:23.000 No, they're the plus part.

00:27:24.000 So this is the world's... It's like Cosby, Steeles, Nash and Young.

00:27:27.000 That's it.

00:27:28.000 Young's actually the best bit.

00:27:29.000 He is.

00:27:30.000 I don't know what you imply in there.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, like that Saudi Arabia, even though they're just the plus, they've got a lot of clout.

00:27:37.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 Like Young, he's got a lot, I've got a lot of songs.

00:27:39.000 So anyway, this is the world's top oil producing countries who've agreed to cut the amount they export in a decision which will raise prices around the world.

00:27:47.000 So they're saying it's doing it to, you know, basically make sure that the prices don't keep going up to kind of stabilise oil prices.

00:27:55.000 But obviously Biden's seeing this as a kind of slight on America.

00:27:59.000 Also, I suppose this is something that we have to consider in the context of this ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

00:28:07.000 And also, whether or not the Nord Stream 2... Not the Nord Stream 1, is it?

00:28:13.000 That's a perfectly good pipeline, that's still fine.

00:28:15.000 Nord Stream 2 pipeline, has it been sabotaged or did it just accidentally break?

00:28:22.000 Certainly, resources and energy are a component in this ongoing crisis and loads of you will want to see again.

00:28:30.000 Jeffrey Sachs, an American academic and professor at Columbia University, just sort of overtly stating that he thinks America does it.

00:28:40.000 Like, even though, even if you've seen this clip, it's worth watching it again, mostly because of Jeffrey Sachs' chided face.

00:28:47.000 Now we know what Jeffrey Sachs looks like when he's told off, and potentially in a whole range of other situations.

00:28:54.000 ...to make it definitive, the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline, which I would bet was a U.S.

00:29:01.000 action, perhaps U.S.

00:29:03.000 and Poland.

00:29:05.000 This is speculation.

00:29:06.000 All right, Jeff, you've got to stop there.

00:29:07.000 That's quite a statement as well.

00:29:09.000 Why is he like... That's a really lovely little face he's done there, isn't it?

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 Like he really didn't want to be told off.

00:29:19.000 Yeah.

00:29:22.000 I think he's just a bit surprised about the guy who's telling him off.

00:29:25.000 Well, he is.

00:29:26.000 He's a surprising guy.

00:29:27.000 Look at him.

00:29:28.000 Why do you feel... Like, what's that look?

00:29:30.000 Well, he's gone back to the 1920s or something.

00:29:32.000 That's outrageous, you don't need to look like that in those mad glasses in that time. 0.91

00:29:36.000 Your glasses are too big, your bow tie's too small, your microphone's from a hundred years ago.

00:29:41.000 I think his reaction was just like that was the first time he saw him.

00:29:44.000 He's like, what?

00:29:45.000 I've been interviewed from the past!

00:29:48.000 He is able, however, to back up his accusation in a number of ways that make it seem pretty plausible.

00:29:54.000 Wait, that that was a US action?

00:29:56.000 What evidence do you have of that?

00:29:59.000 Well, first of all, there's direct radar evidence that U.S.

00:30:02.000 helicopters, military helicopters that are normally based in Gdansk, were circling over this area.

00:30:09.000 We also had the threats from the United States earlier in this year that one way or

00:30:14.000 another we are going to end Nord Stream.

00:30:17.000 We also have a remarkable statement by Secretary Blinken last Friday in a press conference. He

00:30:22.000 says this is also a tremendous opportunity. It's a strange way to, sorry, it's a strange way to talk.

00:30:29.000 It is a strange way.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, it is.

00:30:31.000 But other than that... Yeah, but aside from... Come on!

00:30:34.000 You're really catching at straws now.

00:30:37.000 Stop it! 0.99

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 It seems like he's got a... We'll get him on, will we?

00:30:42.000 We'll get him on, Jeffrey Sachs.

00:30:44.000 I like him and I reckon we should try and see if we can get him... Shock him.

00:30:48.000 Huh?

00:30:49.000 Yeah, I want him to do that face again.

00:30:49.000 Shock him.

00:30:51.000 Just constantly try and shock him. 0.89

00:30:52.000 I'll pinch him if it takes that.

00:30:54.000 Get that pound a little bit lower. 0.98

00:30:56.000 That bloody thing's gone right down.

00:30:57.000 What kind of comments are we getting, Soobs? 0.99

00:30:59.000 Lots of reaction to your question for the show.

00:31:02.000 So Maury says, I'm binge watching your Rumblecast and I'm caught up.

00:31:07.000 Your content is much better than MSNBC, which is Bill Gates' pocket.

00:31:13.000 Yes, yes.

00:31:14.000 Embarrassing these days to say that they're from the US.

00:31:19.000 Roberta says, what Was that the ageist comment at 68, her memory is great when you made fun of people?

00:31:26.000 No, no, no, someone said they were 81 and I don't think you can really allege that there is no impact on memory as one declines or advances in years when you look at dear old Joe Biden Dodgering his way through life, seldom able to make his way off the stage.

00:31:43.000 What kind of comments have you got there, young Putin?

00:31:46.000 So-called because you look like young Putin, not because we have anything other than stern condemnation of Russia's military action in Ukraine.

00:31:58.000 Do you know, I asked Stella Assange when I spoke to her a little bit earlier, when we recorded it, because we wanted to be sensitive, as a matter of fact, because I thought, this is a person who's living a pretty intense life.

00:32:09.000 She's married to someone who she loves, who's in Belmar, whose situation is complicated.

00:32:13.000 Anyway, so that's why we pre-recorded it.

00:32:15.000 And like, I goes to her, did you think Trump might pardon him?

00:32:19.000 And she said she did think that a little bit.

00:32:22.000 She leaves, you'll see it in the interview, she leaves a very long pause.

00:32:26.000 She goes, I couldn't tell because Donald Trump is... And then she's in that pause, I thought, oh God, what's she going to say here?

00:32:32.000 It's fascinating.

00:32:33.000 Went on for quite a long while.

00:32:34.000 And ultimately she said, unpredictable.

00:32:37.000 Good choice.

00:32:40.000 That was one of the moments when I think it became clear that Trump is not what his most avid supporters hope for him to be.

00:32:52.000 A genuine maverick who is outside of the system.

00:32:57.000 And the establishment.

00:32:59.000 Yeah, the establishment.

00:33:00.000 Because a genuine anti-establishment president would go, yeah, I'm pardoning him.

00:33:05.000 Oh my God, whoa!

00:33:06.000 Because the truth is that Julian Assange's case, amongst many other things, demonstrates the general alliance between nations and political parties Clinton, Obama, Bush, Trump, like everyone basically has the same stance and the use of the Espionage Act.

00:33:27.000 Anyway, this stuff's covered pretty well in the conversation, but I think it's a good way of understanding

00:33:32.000 lack of journalistic integrity, media censorship, collaboration between the government, between global

00:33:39.000 governments and the media.

00:33:40.000 So much is tied into that case and also sort of the true nature of power.

00:33:46.000 If you do something that genuinely disrupts the interests of the powerful, the response will be terrifying.

00:33:54.000 That's why Elon Musk is such a fascinating figure.

00:33:56.000 He's outspoken, he's radical, he's difficult to categorise.

00:34:00.000 Part Willy Wonka, part Donald Trump, part Steve Jobs, part Richard Branson.

00:34:05.000 Nearly as rich as the nation that he comes from.

00:34:08.000 Guest on this show, let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments how I should tweet him.

00:34:12.000 Maybe I'll tweet him and ask him on Twitter, when you coming on mate?

00:34:15.000 So let me know how you would phrase it and you'll get back to us guys with versions of the question.

00:34:21.000 Remember, I'm trying to do a lot of jobs here.

00:34:23.000 Be charming, flattering, Kind.

00:34:25.000 Acknowledge that there is some complexity when dealing with a billionaire.

00:34:29.000 Like there are sort of, you know, like if it was, sort of, think of Bill Gates, right?

00:34:33.000 Where do we stand on Bill Gates, guys?

00:34:35.000 And the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Bill Gates donations to media, and his interest in certain medicines.

00:34:41.000 Or, you know, if it was even Jeff Bezos and his cockle rocket. 0.61

00:34:46.000 He's rocketless like a cock, which he sends up to Skyfire. 0.92

00:34:48.000 You'd want an invite on that, I think, out of a Rounds of texts with him. 0.98

00:34:52.000 You'd want to get to the point where he was going.

00:34:54.000 Come on, listen, I'm going to space.

00:34:55.000 Do you want to come up me and my brother? 1.00

00:34:56.000 We're going to go fuck space. 0.99

00:34:58.000 Do you want to come up there with us? 0.99

00:35:00.000 I was once going to go space.

00:35:02.000 I know, I remember that, yeah.

00:35:03.000 But I didn't go.

00:35:04.000 You declined.

00:35:05.000 I'll not go.

00:35:06.000 Thank you.

00:35:08.000 I was nearly going to go space when they started selling commercial space flights, but I don't actually know where my ticket is no more.

00:35:13.000 It was a gift.

00:35:13.000 Oh, sorry.

00:35:14.000 From a different era.

00:35:16.000 But, like, I don't actually know if I want to go space, and I also don't know where that ticket is, and I don't think people did go space in the end on Virgin Rockets.

00:35:24.000 Did that happen?

00:35:25.000 I'm not sure.

00:35:25.000 I mean, it's definitely in the works, if it's not happened already.

00:35:28.000 Yeah, I don't know that it's happened.

00:35:31.000 November.

00:35:32.000 What, they're going to go to space?

00:35:33.000 Apparently out of Cornwall.

00:35:34.000 Look at that, Cornwall to space!

00:35:37.000 Dust off the old ticket, hop down to Penzance and get me up there into space.

00:35:44.000 Do you want to, like, listen, tell us in the chat, we'll do a quick poll now and tell us quickly, get ready, do you want to see the, do you want me to tell you ...in depth about Elon Musk and analyse what does support for Ukraine really mean.

00:35:57.000 And of course everyone, anyone except for psychopaths, are sympathetic to people suffering in war and anyone wants to end war and suffering.

00:36:04.000 Let's take that as read because it's bloody obvious, obvious to most of us.

00:36:10.000 Do you want to see me talking about that, or would you like us to talk about a grand chess master with beads up his bum as a communicative tool?

00:36:19.000 Let us know quickly in the chat.

00:36:20.000 The next first five people to respond will go with what you say, although we are going to talk about both those things ultimately and eventually because...

00:36:27.000 You know, Grand Chess Master accused of using anal beads to win a likely cheat a hundred times.

00:36:33.000 I mean, that's... I don't think he's doing it for the chess anymore.

00:36:37.000 Once you've, like, done it a hundred times, used anal beads as a communicative tool, it seems to me that chess is secondary.

00:36:44.000 I still don't think there's any actual proof. 0.94

00:36:46.000 I think it's a strange jump to make from, he's winning all these games, to, it must be anal beads. 0.98

00:36:53.000 You're good at chess! 0.98

00:36:54.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:36:55.000 Let me look up your arsehole! 1.00

00:36:57.000 Excuse me! 1.00

00:36:58.000 I've been practicing, bollocks!

00:37:00.000 Let me have a look up there.

00:37:01.000 Relax it!

00:37:02.000 I can't see up there.

00:37:03.000 Let me have a poke about with this lolly stick.

00:37:05.000 That's the only way to be sure that you're not cheating.

00:37:09.000 I've practiced.

00:37:10.000 I read a book about it.

00:37:11.000 I went to a special school.

00:37:12.000 No, you never.

00:37:14.000 What are people saying?

00:37:15.000 What's the...

00:37:16.000 Elon, Elon, Elon.

00:37:19.000 So listen, you lot want to know what is the space that Elon Musk occupies in our culture?

00:37:27.000 What does he tell us about power?

00:37:29.000 And what do we really feel about the conflict between Russia and Ukraine?

00:37:34.000 What does the support of Ukraine really mean?

00:37:36.000 How far are you willing to go?

00:37:37.000 It's time now for Here's the News.

00:37:40.000 No, no, here's the effing news.

00:37:42.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News.

00:37:44.000 Here's the news. 1.00

00:37:45.000 No, here's the fucking news. 1.00

00:37:47.000 Elon Musk is the news! 0.99

00:37:51.000 Whether it's buying or not buying Twitter, robots that move about like Joe Biden, or trying to solve the Russia-Ukraine war, Musk is a news machine.

00:38:03.000 So is he right?

00:38:04.000 Is he wrong?

00:38:05.000 Should we listen to him?

00:38:06.000 He's coming on our show.

00:38:07.000 Guess which side we're on.

00:38:10.000 Let's get into today's news.

00:38:12.000 Elon Musk did a poll presenting a potential solution to the current conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

00:38:18.000 Like all people, my sympathies lie with those suffering as a result of this conflict.

00:38:22.000 So that's just my opinion, so you know.

00:38:24.000 But Elon Musk is presenting potential solutions and is facing a backlash as a result, not least from President Zelensky himself.

00:38:33.000 Let's have a look at this story in detail and ask ourselves a few fundamental questions.

00:38:38.000 One, Does Elon Musk have the right to say whatever he wants?

00:38:42.000 Two, should people be looking at potential diplomatic solutions to this current conflict?

00:38:46.000 And three, what do we mean when we say we support Ukraine?

00:38:50.000 Are we to assume that we mean support Ukraine up to and including a nuclear conflict?

00:38:55.000 I'm not saying that we shouldn't.

00:38:56.000 I'm saying that if we are going to, then we should be aware that that's what we're doing.

00:39:00.000 Because there's a difference between changing the picture in your bio, putting a sticker in your window, and living in a post-apocalyptic hellscape.

00:39:09.000 Well, I'm not saying don't do that.

00:39:10.000 Some things are worth dying for.

00:39:11.000 Some things are worth dying for.

00:39:12.000 But you should know that that's what you're doing.

00:39:14.000 On Monday, Elon Musk prompted an online row with Ukraine's president after he asked Twitter users to weigh in on his ideas to end Russia's war.

00:39:22.000 Now, some of you will say, well, who's Elon Musk?

00:39:24.000 Who does he think he is?

00:39:25.000 And Elon Musk is a unique figure in our culture.

00:39:28.000 Part Steve Jobs, part Donald Trump, part Richard Branson.

00:39:32.000 What is this guy?

00:39:33.000 Elon Musk is a figure that could only exist now Evidently a genius in a number of areas.

00:39:38.000 He's doubtless a controversial and polarizing figure.

00:39:41.000 He garners affection and following that no other billionaires do.

00:39:45.000 Why is that?

00:39:46.000 But he also attracts criticism that no other corporate and potentially invisible powerful billionaire figures attract.

00:39:54.000 Why is that?

00:39:55.000 What is the meaning of Elon Musk?

00:39:57.000 In a tweet, Musk suggested UN-supervised elections in four occupied regions that Moscow has falsely annexed after what it called referendums.

00:40:07.000 If you're going to have an election, make sure it's properly run and that all the votes are correctly counted and there's absolutely no skullduggery.

00:40:13.000 Right, kids?

00:40:14.000 The votes were denounced by Kiev and Western governments as illegal and coercive.

00:40:19.000 Not only was it illegal, you forced people to do it.

00:40:21.000 Russia leaves if that is the will of the people, Musk wrote.

00:40:25.000 OK, seems like a sensible selection.

00:40:26.000 I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert on that complex geopolitical situation.

00:40:31.000 We've done numerous videos about the history of the region, NATO escalation, potential sabotage.

00:40:36.000 We've done lots of videos on this subject.

00:40:38.000 And I just want to clarify again and again, my sympathy lies with people that suffer as a result The Tesla chief executive also suggested that Crimea, which Moscow seized in 2014, be formally recognised as Russia, that water supply to Crimea be assured, and that Ukraine remain neutral.

00:40:56.000 He asked Twitter users to vote yes or no to his idea.

00:40:59.000 So far, it seems to me that a powerful figure is using his platform in order to provoke debate.

00:41:05.000 Now, I suppose, up to this point, How can you disagree with that? 0.95

00:41:09.000 Do you want the Twittersphere and the world of Instagram to be entirely limited to profanity and idiocy and inanity? 0.98

00:41:18.000 Oh, Happy Meals, football in space! 0.74

00:41:21.000 I'm quite interested in that football in space.

00:41:24.000 And happy meals.

00:41:26.000 Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky weighed in on Twitter and asked with a poll, which Elon Musk do you like more?

00:41:31.000 One who supports Ukraine or one that supports Russia?

00:41:34.000 So obviously, he's agitated by that response.

00:41:37.000 And what we're being invited to do there, I would say, is like, you know, for me, Zelensky seems like a heroic figure.

00:41:42.000 Didn't he used to be a comedian?

00:41:43.000 Now he's running the country.

00:41:44.000 You can see why I'd be into that idea.

00:41:47.000 But also with Zelensky, if you look at what's being asked there, is for blind, unquestioning support.

00:41:53.000 Now, I don't think blind unquestioning support is a good idea, sort of, ever.

00:41:58.000 I mean, even if it was a member of your family or something, like, I'm gonna blindly unquestion... You might do that, emotionally.

00:42:03.000 You might say, I don't even care if they murder someone, I'm just gonna love them till the end of time.

00:42:07.000 But, some people, you would hope, would remain objective and neutral in that situation.

00:42:12.000 Ultimately, don't all of us want that war to end?

00:42:14.000 Ultimately, don't all of us want a peaceful solution?

00:42:17.000 Ultimately, don't all of us want the individuals of this world and the communities of this world to be free from suffering and for people to have the ability to run their own lives?

00:42:25.000 I know that's what I want.

00:42:26.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:42:26.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:42:28.000 Now we are in a complex conflict that is becoming more conflict.

00:42:32.000 that doubtlessly involves certain financial interests and imperialist interests on both sides of the argument.

00:42:39.000 It seems, from my perspective as an uninformed observer, that Putin does not respond well to escalation.

00:42:45.000 He doesn't behave like an ordinary strategist.

00:42:48.000 Given that he's a Russian and they are famously great at chess, he don't seem to be like a Kasparov-like figure.

00:42:54.000 You do this, then I do that.

00:42:56.000 You do this, then I do that.

00:42:57.000 He's more like, ah! 0.98

00:42:58.000 I'll bite my finger off! 0.98

00:42:59.000 Ah!

00:43:00.000 So when you're dealing with someone like that, you can say, well, I've got principles.

00:43:04.000 I'm going to carry on with my principles.

00:43:05.000 Or you can say, what's likely to be best for the planet overall?

00:43:09.000 Now, I think Elon Musk probably has such expertise, excellence, brilliance, and ingenuity in so many areas.

00:43:16.000 Oh, people want cars to be like this.

00:43:17.000 Do them like that.

00:43:18.000 People want rockets to be like this.

00:43:19.000 Do them like that.

00:43:20.000 People want flame throwers. 0.98

00:43:21.000 People want, he's got to come up with so many ideas.

00:43:24.000 And people seem so interested in his opinions that it's Perfectly natural, I imagine, for him to say, well, how would you solve this conflict?

00:43:30.000 I mean, don't all of us do it?

00:43:32.000 But it seems what he's proposing is a potential diplomatic solution that would put an end to the conflict.

00:43:37.000 And if he's like, well, we don't want to capitulate to a bully, yeah, well, this isn't school.

00:43:41.000 This is like a potential nuclear war.

00:43:43.000 So I'm not saying don't support Ukraine up to and including nuclear Armageddon.

00:43:49.000 Maybe that is your position.

00:43:50.000 If it is your position, declare that.

00:43:52.000 I don't care if there's a nuclear war.

00:43:53.000 I've put the sticker in the window.

00:43:55.000 I've changed the picture in the bio.

00:43:56.000 And if it means that all our pets die in the garden and for 50 years the soil is untillable, I am willing to die for it.

00:44:04.000 That's a question that I think you need to sit with.

00:44:07.000 And then what's the reality of Musk's views and actions in the Ukraine-Russia conflict?

00:44:12.000 Well, this is interesting.

00:44:13.000 In a response to the criticism, Musk said he continues to support Ukraine, but he fears the Kremlin will eventually escalate and trigger a nuclear war if the fight expands to Crimea, which Russia currently controls.

00:44:24.000 As evidence of his support for Ukraine, he pointed to SpaceX funding of Starlink in the countries, an internet network.

00:44:30.000 SpaceX's out-of-pocket cost to enable and support Starlink in Ukraine is $80 million so far.

00:44:36.000 Our support for Russia is $0.

00:44:39.000 Obviously, we are pro-Ukraine, he wrote in a tweet.

00:44:41.000 So on that basis, if it's true, seems like he's pro-Ukraine and he's got an opinion that's pro-diplomacy.

00:44:47.000 And the real problem is that there's a very simple line that you're supposed to tow around this subject, which focuses on the thing that's obvious.

00:44:54.000 The suffering of Ukrainian people is bad. 1.00

00:44:57.000 That's called fatic.

00:44:57.000 That's obvious.

00:44:58.000 That's when something is so obvious you don't need to say it.

00:45:01.000 It's obvious, that.

00:45:03.000 So, what he's trying to do is open discourse into areas that are more complex.

00:45:06.000 Now, do you want to just focus on the Happy Meals and the football in space, or are you a grown-up?

00:45:11.000 Me?

00:45:12.000 It's a bit of both, actually.

00:45:13.000 I want the Happy Meals and the football in space, and I want to be a grown-up. 0.99

00:45:16.000 I don't want to be tyrannised into dumbness by a state and centralised big tech alliances with the state that see me as an idiot and just want me to eat my mush. 0.97

00:45:26.000 Potentially in space. 0.99

00:45:27.000 Trying to retake Crimea will cause massive death, probably fail, and risk nuclear war.

00:45:32.000 This will be terrible for Ukraine and Earth, which I believe is where we all live.

00:45:37.000 So there you go, that's certainly an interesting perspective from Elon Musk.

00:45:41.000 This is George Beeb from Responsible Statecraft.

00:45:43.000 Elon Musk is right.

00:45:44.000 Perhaps not in the particulars of the peace settlement for Ukraine that he recently proposed for his millions of Twitter followers.

00:45:50.000 Such a settlement can only be determined over the course of multidimensional diplomatic negotiations.

00:45:54.000 But Musk is right that if things in Ukraine continue along their present course, the United States and Russia are headed toward a collision that could have catastrophic consequences for all parties to the conflict and for the world.

00:46:05.000 And he is right that America's approach to this mounting problem requires an urgent adjustment.

00:46:11.000 How many of you agree with that?

00:46:12.000 Musk appears to grasp what the Biden administration does not.

00:46:15.000 That Putin is not following the script we've written for him in Ukraine.

00:46:18.000 That script involves a calculation of costs and benefits that will lead him to back away from confrontation with the United States and NATO.

00:46:25.000 Musk has done much to help Ukraine defend itself against Russia's invasion.

00:46:28.000 Now he is doing Ukraine, the United States and the world a service in highlighting the need for a diplomatic track to accompany the military pushback we've employed so far against Russia in Ukraine.

00:46:38.000 Confronting Putin with a choice between humiliation and nuclear escalation is a formula for disaster.

00:46:44.000 Seems to me to be a pretty sensible and intelligent opinion.

00:46:47.000 Elon Musk is a unique figure.

00:46:50.000 Part jobs, Part Trump with his outspoken populist tendencies, part Branson with his ability to understand marketing, he is a peculiar creature of our times.

00:47:00.000 No doubt an innovator, and on the personal contact that I've had with him, seems like a pretty good person, and I'm very excited to have him on our show.

00:47:08.000 How does he dominate the news space?

00:47:10.000 Because he has the power to openly speak and not be afraid of censorship, and because he has the platform through Twitter to reach a lot of people.

00:47:19.000 We are doing the work of the censors in trying to prohibit and inhibit Elon Musk.

00:47:24.000 He is an unusual and idiosyncratic figure and he is a billionaire and I suppose therefore you could make the arguments you could make against anyone with that much wealth and power and those are arguments that I would certainly like the chance to present to Elon Musk in person.

00:47:38.000 But as for this issue in the Ukraine, I guess he invites us to consider, what do you really mean when you say you support the Ukraine?

00:47:46.000 Do you support the Ukraine up to the point of nuclear Armageddon? 0.80

00:47:50.000 If that's where you are, then I admire you.

00:47:53.000 Myself, I would prefer a diplomatic solution.

00:47:56.000 I would prefer an end to all suffering through war.

00:47:58.000 I pray that we are at the point in our personal and social evolution where we are beyond that kind of unnecessary, pointless conflict that only benefits elite institutions and establishment figures and ultimately causes more and more suffering.

00:48:13.000 Well, that's just what I think.

00:48:13.000 why don't you let me know right now what you think in the chat and I'll respond to your comments.

00:48:18.000 You lunatics, you beautiful, beautiful awakening lunatics, in a minute. 0.99

00:48:22.000 My brain, my choice goes, the leaders of both nations need to talk 1.00

00:48:34.000 and stop the destruction of their people. 0.91

00:48:37.000 Hooded claw, all people don't want war, only our leaders want it.

00:48:41.000 Fire Snake Zero.

00:48:43.000 Our only hope for a just end might be that Russians turn against Putin if he tries to launch nukes.

00:48:48.000 That's what you're saying.

00:48:50.000 Do you know what our young Putin over here says?

00:48:52.000 Do you think that if people press rumble it's going to be good for us in some way?

00:48:56.000 I believe so.

00:48:57.000 Press rumble right now because we feel like it's good for us in some way.

00:49:00.000 Like, look, we're not... I'm scientific of you!

00:49:08.000 Elon Musk!

00:49:09.000 Hmm, riddle me this!

00:49:12.000 But yeah, I recognise that I'm not a technological great, but he says, young Putin, that if you lot press rumble, like you know what I mean, like rumble rumble, press it, it's good for us in some way.

00:49:25.000 Like the algorithm.

00:49:26.000 Look, we've been censored once on YouTube, we've had a strike, we've had a warning, well rumble, we're not making that mistake again, we're going to rise to the top cream of the crop, aren't we?

00:49:34.000 Absolutely.

00:49:35.000 Right, press a rumble then.

00:49:36.000 Are they pressing it?

00:49:38.000 Press in greater numbers, would ya?

00:49:40.000 I don't think it's hard. 0.93

00:49:41.000 Oh bloody hell, yeah.

00:49:42.000 That went up like a thousand rumbles. 0.87

00:49:44.000 There, I'll do it!

00:49:45.000 We'd love that!

00:49:46.000 See?

00:49:47.000 Freedom of speech!

00:49:48.000 It's working like crazy!

00:49:51.000 We're going to continue talking about Elon Musk, his unique position, and we're also talking about the complexities of the geopolitical tectonic plates that shift around war.

00:50:04.000 But first, here's some stuff you've been sending. 0.85

00:50:06.000 Keep rambling, you lunatics, around just in focus, said about Elon. 0.96

00:50:11.000 If you challenge the dominant power, you will be marginalised. 0.96

00:50:13.000 If you challenge the dominant power and people actually listen, you will be commandeered and your movement will be co-opted by the dollar.

00:50:19.000 You're so clever to say that.

00:50:21.000 You're really clever.

00:50:22.000 In a minute, I want to show you that clip from the movie Network.

00:50:25.000 Not the bit where the newscaster goes all nuts and decides to tell people the truth.

00:50:29.000 I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

00:50:32.000 Not that bit.

00:50:33.000 Although...

00:50:34.000 I did a good job of rendering it.

00:50:36.000 Round of applause, everyone.

00:50:37.000 No, just, no, no.

00:50:40.000 That's the first time that's ever happened, and it didn't feel authentic, did it?

00:50:44.000 But the bit at the end, when he is confronted by his boss, who owns the corporation, that owns the TV network, that he's the TV anchor for, you see there the face of real power, like Mephistopheles, like the power behind the power.

00:50:58.000 And he explains, there is no such thing as nation, there is no such thing as your Petty human beliefs and tribal alliances.

00:51:07.000 Real power is money.

00:51:08.000 Do you think that there's anyone that is ideologically driven anymore?

00:51:11.000 It's a fantastic speech.

00:51:12.000 And I suppose when asking the question, what happens if you challenge dominant power?

00:51:16.000 You can look at a symbol like Julian Assange, a living sign like Julian Assange.

00:51:21.000 You can look at an outlier, an anomaly like Elon Musk.

00:51:26.000 But ultimately, we have to, I think, find ways to challenge that power through, I don't know, maybe through pressing rumble.

00:51:34.000 That might be one of the ways to do it.

00:51:36.000 Gabby Rios, 59.

00:51:37.000 Elon Musk is a box of chocolates.

00:51:39.000 You never know what he's going to do from one day to another.

00:51:41.000 That's not, chocolate don't do that.

00:51:43.000 No.

00:51:43.000 Chocolate always do the same thing.

00:51:45.000 What, you're saying we can use the Twix as chopsticks and just use it to like eat chow mein? 0.82

00:51:51.000 I'm not sure that was what they're implying, was it?

00:51:53.000 You can't!

00:51:54.000 BTC Bobby, tell him, hey Elon, come on the show, let's solve this Ukraine crisis.

00:51:59.000 He seems very interested in that with his tweets recently.

00:52:01.000 Well, I don't know, I don't want him to think I'm taking a piss, mate.

00:52:05.000 This is John Kershaw talking about Julian Assange.

00:52:07.000 The fate of Assange is the fate of us all.

00:52:10.000 Okay, mate, what do you want to, like, you've got some... Bit of follow-up?

00:52:14.000 Yeah, do some follow-up on Here's The News there.

00:52:17.000 Well yeah, I suppose speaking of the dollar and the power of money, so some analysts estimate the true figure of the U.S.

00:52:23.000 commitment to Ukraine at the moment is up to $40 billion in security assistance or $110 million a day over the last year.

00:52:29.000 The relentless stream of funding announcements in the absence of any public discussion of what the U.S.

00:52:34.000 is doing to seek an end to the conflict has signaled to critics a recognition that there is no end in sight to the war and that the U.S.

00:52:42.000 is committed to supporting Ukrainian defense efforts for the long haul rather than pursue a negotiated end to it.

00:52:47.000 The US is really preparing for a long war.

00:52:48.000 It's actually preparing for endless war in Ukraine, says Stephen Semler, co-founder of the Security Policy Reform Institute.

00:52:55.000 Now, when we start looking at some stats, the Pentagon has spent over $14 trillion since the start of the war in Afghanistan, with one half of the total going to military contractors.

00:53:05.000 That's extraordinary.

00:53:06.000 That's an extraordinary amount of money.

00:53:08.000 So when we talk about, you know, the power of money and the kind of potential reasons for endless war, obviously a lot of people mention the kind of proxy war with Russia, but also another potential way of thinking to endless war is how much money has been spent and therefore accrued by military contractors since the war with Afghanistan started.

00:53:26.000 Yeah, because military spending doesn't necessarily mean that service personnel are getting well looked after and taken care of.

00:53:33.000 Far from it.

00:53:33.000 There's a lot of reports that suggest that conditions are deteriorating for American military personnel, even while they're in the military.

00:53:40.000 let alone what happens to veterans, which I'm sure you know better than I do, is often

00:53:44.000 a life of suffering and homelessness and alcoholism and mental illness. The way that veterans 1.00

00:53:52.000 are treated is broadly acknowledged as a disgrace. It seems like with the kind of figures that

00:53:58.000 you're citing there, Gareth, that Julian Assange's famous quote about the Afghanistan war still

00:54:06.000 He says, of course, the goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite.

00:54:17.000 The goal is an endless war, not a successful war.

00:54:20.000 So what we might regard as a success with our Primitive little minds, victory on the battlefield, the achievement of certain strategic goals. 0.88

00:54:31.000 It's not relevant if what you're trying to do is accumulate or more likely move assets and money around.

00:54:38.000 No, and in this time of economic crisis, so last year the average taxpayer in the US contributed $2,000 to the military, and half of that went to corporate military contractors.

00:54:47.000 And I'm sure that's money that people would rather be spending on energy bills.

00:54:51.000 How much, mate?

00:54:52.000 So $900.

00:54:54.000 That's mental.

00:54:55.000 That's like what, like every American taxpayer is giving $900.

00:54:57.000 It's weird isn't it?

00:54:59.000 Because you don't think of it like that.

00:55:01.000 Like, you know like how we divide ourselves along the lines of left and right?

00:55:06.000 Particularly around the base of like a basis of tax.

00:55:08.000 Me, I traditionally would have been regarded as a left-wing person and now like I'm a like rich left-wing person.

00:55:14.000 It's like, oh well, it's good that I pay a lot of tax and that kind of stuff.

00:55:18.000 But no one really likes paying, like, tax.

00:55:21.000 You don't actually want to pay the tax.

00:55:23.000 The only way you can justify it is it's like, no, it's helping people.

00:55:25.000 If I'm going to be a part of a country like Britain or the United States, whatever country, I want to feel like it means something and that we have good schools and we have good health care and we have good roads and people that live lives of service.

00:55:36.000 The key workers that we were proud to celebrate during the pandemic, not so proud to celebrate after the pandemic, they're looked after and taken care of.

00:55:43.000 So under those circumstances, I don't mind paying tax.

00:55:47.000 But when you find out that in reality your tax, you know, to the tune of $900 a year is going to corporate military contractors so they're justifying foreign action, and I'm not suggesting that's what's happening in the case of Ukraine, but certainly historically it's true, then it's not so easy to lean into the idea of nation.

00:56:04.000 And it starts to seem that the notion that a nation is a panacea Used to seduce and distract us.

00:56:12.000 Used to control us.

00:56:14.000 This, um, like we had Annie Mashon whistleblower and spy the other day. 0.72

00:56:20.000 She's a real-life James Bond.

00:56:21.000 She's a... 0.94

00:56:25.000 She came on here, the other day, telling us about when she, she was in the MI5.

00:56:28.000 Ding-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling- What do you mean?

00:56:43.000 You've been spying?

00:56:45.000 Basically, she just described spying, didn't she?

00:56:48.000 But, also though, she said, it was really good, she goes, they were doing a plan to kill Gaddafi, they were funding an al-Qaeda group, you wouldn't believe this, they're funding an al-Qaeda group that... kill Gaddafi, will ya?

00:56:58.000 Them lot in Al-Qaeda ballsed it right up. 0.77

00:57:00.000 They can't even carry out a simple assassination of Colonel Gaddafi.

00:57:04.000 But then years later, when Colonel Gaddafi was killed, it was similarly by a group, well it wasn't necessarily Al-Qaeda, but it was by a group that she seemed to imply, and I don't want to get this wrong because I don't want to put myself or Annie in a predicament, but seemed to suggest that it was potentially a secret agency funded terrorist organisation that killed Gaddafi. 0.96

00:57:25.000 So, there's all sorts of shady shit going on.

00:57:28.000 The old man who led to poor Colonel Gaddafi being jostled about in the back of that Jeep, like Weekend at Bernie's. 0.98

00:57:33.000 I've always thought, that ain't proper, is it?

00:57:35.000 To jostle a fella, when he brown-bred, in the back of a Jeep. 1.00

00:57:39.000 Anyway, that's not my point.

00:57:40.000 No, I didn't think it was.

00:57:42.000 Well, it is my point, then.

00:57:44.000 Hold on.

00:57:44.000 Let's get that pound up a bit.

00:57:46.000 Pound, get up there, son!

00:57:46.000 Well done.

00:57:48.000 She told us also about this, the project for the New American Century.

00:57:51.000 Let us know in the chat.

00:57:52.000 Let us know in the comments if you're familiar with this thing.

00:57:55.000 It's a pretty famous deal, like Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, all those dudes from when the Republicans were the in-power baddies rather than the Democrats' in-power baddies.

00:58:04.000 For me, it makes no difference whether you're talking about Assange and the refusal to pardon him from subsequent administrations, or the way that you're taxed, or the wars that go on, or the Iraqi kids that are dying.

00:58:13.000 I don't think it matters what bloody, whether it's a donkey or an elephant, the logo, do you?

00:58:17.000 Anyway, this is that project for the new American century.

00:58:21.000 So it's a U.S. 0.94

00:58:22.000 government plan in the 1990s to protect the petrodollar involving resource wars and regime change in five countries and rebuilding America's defences.

00:58:29.000 Years before George W. Bush entered the White House and years before the September 11th attacks, ...set the direction of his presidency, a group of influential neoconservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power.

00:58:41.000 The group, the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, which is not as good as, for example, Tupac, was founded in 1997.

00:58:53.000 Among its supporters were three Republican former officials who were sitting out of the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz.

00:59:00.000 The group called for the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime of power and a shift towards a more assertive US policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.

00:59:11.000 In a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there was some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.

00:59:21.000 But I don't feel like I can remember anything happening in like 2000, 2001 that was a galvanizing, catastrophic, catalyzing event like Pearl Harbor or anything.

00:59:34.000 Do you?

00:59:35.000 No, I can't remember it.

00:59:36.000 Can't remember anything like that really going on.

00:59:37.000 Life's not really like that.

00:59:39.000 There's no galvanising events going on.

00:59:41.000 And if there are, that's a coincidence!

00:59:43.000 A lucky break!

00:59:44.000 Like when pipelines just break.

00:59:47.000 Like a lucky old American government!

00:59:50.000 And they're lucky breaks, whether it's pipelines or other things that...

00:59:54.000 I mean, there's freedom of speech here, but there's not freedom of speech to hurt people's feelings.

00:59:57.000 Absolutely not.

00:59:58.000 We're not interested in that.

01:00:00.000 Press rumble right now! 0.97

01:00:00.000 Give us a rumble! 0.97

01:00:01.000 See if it does something to the algorithm.

01:00:03.000 I don't think you hurt Dick Cheney's feelings, can you? 1.00

01:00:05.000 I don't think so, because when I've seen Dick Cheney, he don't got the look of a man whose feelings would be easily hurt, when he's sort of like snarling, I support my daughter, Liz Cheney, Donald Trump's son of a bitch. 1.00

01:00:15.000 Like that. 1.00

01:00:17.000 My daughter, I grew her proud!

01:00:20.000 No, I don't see you like mincing up to him in his feelings. 0.99

01:00:23.000 Hey, Dick! 0.98

01:00:24.000 Listen, I'm pretty pissed off about what you've done in Iraq and with Halliburton! 1.00

01:00:28.000 I'll kick you in the bloody shins, you carry on like that! 1.00

01:00:31.000 Better get the fuck out of here you little man, bitch Well, we'll soon see what me 1.00

01:00:41.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:00:41.000 We bring about a global revolution. 1.00

01:00:43.000 Come on, Dick.

01:00:43.000 That'll have work all over their face when we form autonomous communities in the Confederacy of Unified People that ain't bothered about cultural differences, that are determined to face the elites, that are willing to fight power and corruption wherever we find it.

01:00:55.000 Then Dick Cheney will be sorry he called me a man-bitch in my imagination. 0.96

01:00:58.000 Brand versus Dick. 0.98

01:01:00.000 That's what we want. 0.95

01:01:01.000 Yes! 0.98

01:01:02.000 I see you, Dick! 1.00

01:01:03.000 And I will look you straight in the eye, Dick! 1.00

01:01:06.000 And you can stand up firm to me if you want, Dick! 1.00

01:01:10.000 And you can spit right in my face! 1.00

01:01:13.000 But I will jostle you, Dick! 0.99

01:01:15.000 I will jostle you good! 0.80

01:01:18.000 There we go.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:19.000 That's what'll happen.

01:01:20.000 That's exactly what we wanted to happen.

01:01:22.000 That's what we wanted to happen, and now it's happened.

01:01:24.000 Now, uh, there's lots more to talk about, as you can probably imagine using your mind.

01:01:28.000 For example, Julian Assange is facing extradition to the United States and a 175-year sentence.

01:01:35.000 Now, just checking the files, people don't actually live that long.

01:01:38.000 No.

01:01:38.000 Do they?

01:01:39.000 No.

01:01:39.000 There's some people, someone called Seth, from the Bible, he lived maybe that long, uh, but we don't actually have any proof that that's true, do we, Gal?

01:01:48.000 No, we don't.

01:01:48.000 Now, we do have John Bolton saying he should get more than that, in case you want to see.

01:01:52.000 Oh, yeah, let's see John Bolton.

01:01:53.000 Because John Bolton... John Bolton's a lot of things.

01:01:56.000 Firstly, he is not Michael Bolton, who I prefer.

01:01:59.000 No, he's not.

01:02:00.000 Because I like his voice, you know what I mean?

01:02:02.000 Yeah.

01:02:03.000 John Bolton, he's up for a war, isn't he?

01:02:07.000 He loves a war.

01:02:07.000 He is.

01:02:09.000 Don't ask John Bolton, war, what is it good for?

01:02:11.000 Absolutely nothing.

01:02:12.000 It's good for quite a lot of things.

01:02:14.000 Revenue for New American Century, petrodollar.

01:02:18.000 Another thing about John Bolton is you wouldn't want to get him as your card in Guess Who?

01:02:23.000 Because he's got too many identifying features.

01:02:26.000 Moustache, glasses.

01:02:28.000 He's a Guess Who nightmare!

01:02:30.000 Let's have a look at him wanting a war.

01:02:32.000 I hope he gets at least 176 years in jail for what he did.

01:02:36.000 He's committed... Is that it?

01:02:38.000 Like, one year?

01:02:38.000 One year.

01:02:39.000 I mean, I think at the point of 175 years... Yeah.

01:02:41.000 Might as well do another one!

01:02:43.000 I know!

01:02:44.000 I mean, I'm dead already!

01:02:45.000 I've been dead for probably a hundred years.

01:02:48.000 Yeah.

01:02:49.000 What's the point in giving a sentence that's longer than someone can live?

01:02:53.000 I don't know, but that's a petty comment, if ever I've heard one.

01:02:55.000 I think he should get 176 years in a day!

01:02:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:00.000 Bolton, why don't you concentrate on making finger-licking good Kentucky Fried Chickens and a bit less on being a bastard? 1.00

01:03:09.000 He's no more a journalist than the chair I'm sitting on. 0.99

01:03:13.000 That's not a phrase, is it?

01:03:16.000 You're no more journalist than the chair I'm sitting on.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, that's not a phrase.

01:03:20.000 People don't say more than the chair I'm sitting on.

01:03:23.000 Also, what he's done there is he's made me think of the action of him sitting. 0.96

01:03:26.000 I'm now thinking about his buttocks. 0.83

01:03:28.000 I'm thinking about the warmth accumulating beneath him. 0.73

01:03:32.000 I think it's these elderly political figures in the States like Biden talking early on.

01:03:38.000 They just make up phrases.

01:03:40.000 I like the phrases of the South.

01:03:42.000 They say weird things like, bettin' a chicken in a bucket.

01:03:45.000 Bettin' a frog in a road.

01:03:46.000 They say stuff like that. 0.99

01:03:47.000 I'm fuckin' hell, what are you saying? 0.96

01:03:49.000 But it's all sort of interesting. 0.98

01:03:50.000 Don't do a hog on a Wednesday and expect supper on Tuesday. 1.00

01:03:54.000 They say things like, whoa, these fuckers are crazy. 1.00

01:03:58.000 But his ones, here, corn pop in my chair, bettin' the chair I'm sittin' on. 1.00

01:04:02.000 You'll do 107, 60 years before in a day.

01:04:05.000 It's so good, isn't it?

01:04:05.000 No.

01:04:06.000 That's not proper talking.

01:04:07.000 Talk like us, the British.

01:04:10.000 We know how to talk proper. 0.99

01:04:11.000 You heard all those things I said about a dick. 0.99

01:04:13.000 Give me some sort of an award. 0.99

01:04:15.000 Give me the Mark Twain prize.

01:04:16.000 Give me something.

01:04:18.000 For God's sake, give me something.

01:04:20.000 Anyway, I spoke to Stella Assange.

01:04:23.000 She married to Julian Assange.

01:04:24.000 We did toy with the idea of interviewing Stella Assange and not once mentioning Julian Assange.

01:04:29.000 Actually, that's not responsible.

01:04:30.000 It's the wrong approach, isn't it?

01:04:31.000 It's the wrong approach.

01:04:32.000 It's not how to do an interview.

01:04:34.000 No.

01:04:35.000 You don't get someone on, like, get John Bolton on and go, let's just not talk about Walsh, just talk about... Talk about Michael Bolton.

01:04:42.000 Do you sometimes wonder why we hold on with tears in our eyes, John?

01:04:47.000 Is that him?

01:04:47.000 I wonder why we hold on... That is actually Curtis Stigers.

01:04:52.000 With tears in our... What's Michael Bolton?

01:04:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:56.000 He did some good ones.

01:04:57.000 Oh, classics.

01:04:58.000 Come on! 0.61

01:04:59.000 Why don't you remember?

01:05:01.000 Well, Will's too young.

01:05:02.000 Young Putin's too young.

01:05:03.000 Subi, you should know.

01:05:04.000 I don't know.

01:05:05.000 I don't know Michael Bolton.

01:05:05.000 Why don't you know?

01:05:06.000 You should know.

01:05:07.000 Oh, yeah, I do.

01:05:08.000 I used to have his greatest hits.

01:05:10.000 Did you have his greatest hits?

01:05:11.000 I did, at one stage.

01:05:12.000 When I was a young man, and I was addicted to drugs, don't know if I mentioned it, I had Lionel Richie's CD, and I was listening to it in my room, in my house, when I was 16, I'd left home young.

01:05:22.000 People laughed at me for listening to the line.

01:05:24.000 Go on, what's he done then?

01:05:25.000 Man loves a woman? 0.98

01:05:27.000 Yeah, but that's a cover.

01:05:28.000 He's not defined by that.

01:05:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:05:30.000 That's the one I know.

01:05:30.000 What else?

01:05:31.000 How am I supposed to live without you?

01:05:33.000 Tell me how much!

01:05:36.000 Like, what he done is he strained, didn't he, Bolton?

01:05:38.000 He did, yeah.

01:05:39.000 Like, if ever a singer was gonna do a poo or a fart or give himself a haemorrhoid singing, it's Bolton. 1.00

01:05:45.000 How am I supposed- oh shit! 0.99

01:05:48.000 Are we talking about John Bolton or Michael Bolton at this point? 0.99

01:05:51.000 Both, actually, because he could get himself so worked out.

01:05:54.000 He's 176 years.

01:05:55.000 He no more.

01:05:55.000 He on chair, I'm sitting up.

01:05:58.000 Give me that lolly stick! 1.00

01:06:00.000 Up you go!

01:06:01.000 You go back in there!

01:06:02.000 You go back in with your brothers and sisters!

01:06:05.000 I think it's the right call that Stella Losangelo's not live at this point.

01:06:08.000 Sorry Stella, why are you crying?

01:06:10.000 Cheer up Stella, it won't be out any day now.

01:06:12.000 John Bolton says he's only got to do 176 years.

01:06:13.000 Yeah, you're right, because what we didn't want to see was insensitive... Okay, we should play this clip soon, I think.

01:06:24.000 Just put a pound down with that.

01:06:26.000 Put a pound right down. 0.83

01:06:27.000 See if it's confident.

01:06:28.000 Press rumble! 0.97

01:06:30.000 Rumble me this, Sonny Jim.

01:06:32.000 Anyway, uh, on Saturday, a human chain is being formed.

01:06:36.000 Oh, God.

01:06:37.000 Oh.

01:06:37.000 What's wrong?

01:06:38.000 Sorry, I thought you were still talking about Michael Bolton and his toilet habits.

01:06:38.000 Why are you saying that?

01:06:43.000 Michael Bolton has got a sort of a chain made out of human coming out of his ass because he's sung too hard. 1.00

01:06:50.000 He's sung so hard that he's sort of got a string made of himself and his own bum innards have come out. 0.99

01:06:57.000 He's wearing it as a scarf. 0.94

01:06:58.000 He's chucked it over his arm.

01:07:00.000 HELMET!

01:07:01.000 So Buckle up!

01:07:02.000 God, that's his goodness, because I can't pay my fuel bills

01:07:05.000 because of the cost of living crisis.

01:07:06.000 HELMET!

01:07:07.000 Go on, put one round his nan.

01:07:09.000 Hup!

01:07:10.000 No, another hemorrhoid.

01:07:11.000 Hup, put that one, that's for you, Nan. 0.67

01:07:12.000 HELMET!

01:07:13.000 Look, there you go.

01:07:15.000 There we go.

01:07:15.000 Michael Bolton solves cost of living crisis by singing hemorrhoids out of his own bottom.

01:07:22.000 That's the news.

01:07:24.000 On Saturday, a human chain of a different type is being formed

01:07:29.000 to demonstrate against the continuing imprisonment of Julian Assange.

01:07:33.000 If you think that's funny, Gareth, I feel sorry for you.

01:07:36.000 I actually feel sorry for you.

01:07:39.000 If you think it's funny for someone to do 176 years in jail for a crime they didn't commit, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire Assange's team.

01:07:52.000 Julian Assange, right, should be released.

01:07:54.000 I had a conversation with Stella Assange, Earlier.

01:07:58.000 Here is a bit of that conversation where we talk about... Hold a minute, it was a good bit.

01:08:02.000 Chris Hedges?

01:08:03.000 Yeah, Chris Hedges who used to be in the New York Times and now he's basically doing news down an alleyway to sort of mice because like censorship has gotten sort of out of hand.

01:08:13.000 They'll bang it up next.

01:08:14.000 He'll be banged up.

01:08:15.000 You can't do news these days, he's not allowed.

01:08:16.000 I don't want to go to jail.

01:08:17.000 No.

01:08:18.000 I can't do our time.

01:08:20.000 No.

01:08:20.000 I need to be free.

01:08:21.000 I know.

01:08:21.000 Freedom's everything.

01:08:23.000 You've got to be free to be who you are.

01:08:24.000 People just want to be left alone.

01:08:25.000 You don't need centralised power telling you what to do.

01:08:27.000 Don't bother arguing with people on the basis of race or culture, gender or sexuality. 1.00

01:08:31.000 Silly. 0.99

01:08:32.000 Unite and allow people to be who they are against genuine power. 0.96

01:08:37.000 Julian Assange is an important figure and he's a political prisoner.

01:08:40.000 On Saturday there's a demonstration in London.

01:08:42.000 From 1 o'clock.

01:08:43.000 I'm going to go down there and I'm going to be in a human chain.

01:08:46.000 Not like that, don't be childish.

01:08:47.000 A human chain of people holding hands around Parliament.

01:08:49.000 I asked how they were going to do it.

01:08:51.000 Getting across the Thames was what I thought was going to be an issue.

01:08:54.000 Because if you go around Parliament, they're not going to let you around that back bit.

01:08:57.000 It's right up against the Thames Parliament.

01:08:59.000 Don't know if you know this.

01:09:00.000 Anyway, they're going to use the bridges.

01:09:01.000 It's perfectly simple.

01:09:02.000 You don't need to worry.

01:09:03.000 Yeah, they've got these bridges, we use them.

01:09:05.000 And I did say to her, don't let it mess with the traffic, British people don't like that. 1.00

01:09:09.000 It annoys us, doesn't it?

01:09:11.000 Let us know in the chat, let us know in the comments.

01:09:12.000 Anyway, so have a look at this bit of conversation.

01:09:14.000 Remember, and if you're in the UK, where we are, go along, support Stella, support Julian Assange and the incredible sacrifices that are being made in order for us to understand the truth of some of the campaigns that the West engaged in in the Middle East.

01:09:28.000 led to the massacre of innocent people. Julian Assange revealed that information.

01:09:32.000 This Saturday there's going to be a protest. Here's me talking to Stella Assange in yet another

01:09:38.000 ludicrously coloured hat. Have a look. And this is a good quote from Chris Hedges who's a prominent 0.71

01:09:42.000 supporter obviously of your campaign and a friend of Julian's.

01:09:45.000 He said, let's name Julian Assange's executioners Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Scott Morrison,

01:09:50.000 Theresa May, Lenin Moreno, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Mike Pompeo, Hillary Clinton, Republican or

01:09:55.000 Democrat, Conservative or Labour, Trump or Biden, it does not matter.

01:10:00.000 Empires always kill those who inflict Deep and serious wounds.

01:10:04.000 Do you think that there's something about the, not only Julian Assange's actions, your husband's actions, but also his subsequent condition and conviction that tells us about the way that power manoeuvres and operates and about the insufficiency of contemporary democracy, that there is no significant or prominent public politician anywhere in the world that will advocate for Justice for Julian Assange, or like a fair trial, or a free trial, or even a more unbiased analysis of this case.

01:10:41.000 Well, Julian's actually a symbol for press freedom, for democratic accountability in many parts of the world.

01:10:47.000 You have the President of Mexico, who on Mexico's Independence Day just two weeks ago talked about Julian's case, how he should be free, how he is a victim of empire.

01:10:58.000 And really, Julian's persecution The fact that he's a political prisoner in the heart of London is a symbol of the decline of Western imperialism, of the Western ability to keep the narrative, and it's also

01:11:16.000 the West losing the kind of values competition that it's had in the past, during the Cold War,

01:11:24.000 where it could say, you know, the Eastern Bloc isn't free, we have press freedom,

01:11:28.000 we have all these things. They can't say that anymore. So now you have, you know, China or

01:11:33.000 Azerbaijan saying, look at the UK, they're imprisoning a journalist and they're keeping 1.00

01:11:40.000 him in prison and they're killing him. And then they come to us and talk about press freedom.

01:11:45.000 And what that does, it's not just about hypocrisy, because hypocrisy is kind of a bit of a stillborn

01:11:51.000 argument, I find. It's what it does is it licenses everyone to do the same,

01:11:59.000 to persecute people. It's a global race to the bottom.

01:12:02.000 So.

01:12:03.000 you That's me talking to Stella Assange.

01:12:06.000 Again, you can support Julian Assange's campaign for freedom by attending a protest one o'clock this Saturday.

01:12:13.000 It's in a couple of days in London, UK.

01:12:16.000 Everyone's going to hold hands, make a human chain around Parliament.

01:12:18.000 I'm going to go there if I can.

01:12:21.000 I've got kids and all that.

01:12:22.000 What I'll do is see if I can get in with the in-laws.

01:12:25.000 Anyway, they've got to prioritise it.

01:12:27.000 It was an innocent man in prison.

01:12:28.000 A lot of personal details there, Russ.

01:12:30.000 Because of my kids and the in-laws.

01:12:32.000 Can the in-laws take the kids? 1.00

01:12:33.000 Thing is, my mother-in-law plays tennis on a Saturday. 1.00

01:12:37.000 It's a bit difficult.

01:12:38.000 Julian Assange in Belmarsh.

01:12:41.000 All right.

01:12:42.000 This is nearly the end of the show, but I've got some stuff I want to tell you.

01:12:45.000 Here, Soob's got these tweets.

01:12:47.000 Thanks, mate.

01:12:48.000 We asked you what tweets I should send Elon to get him on the show, or whether I should just text him.

01:12:54.000 That's quite a good one.

01:12:56.000 That's the winner so far.

01:12:57.000 I'm not sure it's your style exactly.

01:13:00.000 Why, what should I say?

01:13:01.000 Should I think about Michael Bolton and hemorrhoids?

01:13:03.000 I think so, yeah.

01:13:05.000 Michael Bolton.

01:13:06.000 Add some hemorrhoid stuff.

01:13:08.000 Yep.

01:13:08.000 Spice it up a bit.

01:13:08.000 Exactly.

01:13:09.000 Why, what should I say, Shane, about Michael Bolton and hemorrhoids?

01:13:11.000 I think so, yeah.

01:13:12.000 Michael Bolton. Add some hemorrhoid stuff.

01:13:14.000 Yep.

01:13:15.000 Spice it up a bit.

01:13:16.000 Exactly.

01:13:17.000 Patriot Sean, my text to Elon might be, in my effort to unite humanity and create a better,

01:13:22.000 peaceful world, Elon, your input would be an asset and greatly appreciated.

01:13:26.000 Would you like to help in this endeavour?

01:13:27.000 That's very well worded.

01:13:28.000 What, it's still not my style?

01:13:30.000 I don't think so.

01:13:31.000 I mean, I've received many texts from you and they don't go like that.

01:13:35.000 They're not like that in style?

01:13:36.000 What are they more like?

01:13:36.000 No.

01:13:37.000 Well, the Michael Bolton stuff.

01:13:39.000 Yeah, them on Michael Bolton-y.

01:13:41.000 All right, well, you might like Tally 922's one, then.

01:13:44.000 Elon, how boite a beer?

01:13:45.000 That's against my accent, I think.

01:13:48.000 How boite a beer in my studio?

01:13:50.000 Diabolical laugh here.

01:13:51.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

01:13:53.000 That's what you suggest.

01:13:55.000 Earwig Witch, tell him you have a packet of ob nobs and a cup of Yorkshire tea with his name on it.

01:13:59.000 You could put the world to rights.

01:14:01.000 That's very British, that.

01:14:02.000 I could do that.

01:14:03.000 GinPhoenix22, where is the rumble button?

01:14:06.000 Rumble, but I don't know.

01:14:07.000 Where is it, young Putin?

01:14:08.000 I'll have to check on mobile, but it's bottom left if you're on desktop.

01:14:12.000 Bottom left on desktop, mate.

01:14:14.000 And then on the phone... Who's on a desktop?

01:14:16.000 Desktop!

01:14:16.000 Yeah, it's a good point.

01:14:17.000 Is that what you don't say?

01:14:18.000 I don't know.

01:14:18.000 Do the kids use desktops these days?

01:14:20.000 I was on my desktop.

01:14:21.000 Oh, no.

01:14:23.000 Listen to the weather forecast.

01:14:25.000 Actually, though, weather forecasts have gone very modern.

01:14:28.000 Now, we're going to just stay with you for a couple more minutes, then we're going to stay free AF.

01:14:31.000 That's our members area.

01:14:33.000 Uniquely... Oh, sorry about that.

01:14:35.000 I've got... I keep some prisoners down there.

01:14:37.000 One of my hostages just fell over.

01:14:39.000 Listen, we'll release ya when the pounds are the proper height! 0.59

01:14:43.000 Bit better now.

01:14:44.000 Um, you stay in there.

01:14:46.000 I don't care about the Geneva Convention.

01:14:47.000 Mind your own business.

01:14:49.000 Geneva?

01:14:49.000 That's not even a proper place, is it?

01:14:51.000 Is that Switzerland?

01:14:53.000 Switzerland?

01:14:54.000 That's not even a proper land, is it?

01:14:55.000 Switzerland?

01:14:56.000 I've never even met a person from Switzerland.

01:14:58.000 What's that, from the Toblerones?

01:15:01.000 It's not proper country.

01:15:03.000 Write down in the chat if you think Switzerland's proper land.

01:15:06.000 I don't think it's real.

01:15:07.000 I'm not sure that's a real land, to be honest with you.

01:15:11.000 Anyway, we're doing a special deal where you can join up for the Stay Free AF at a very, very reasonable price.

01:15:18.000 We're doing it for thirty-three quid.

01:15:19.000 Thirty-three dollars.

01:15:20.000 I don't know, like, because of the old poundy-o, this is a really good time to do it. 1.00

01:15:24.000 So, sign up to Rumble now.

01:15:27.000 Sign over right now, because we're going to carry on.

01:15:29.000 I'm going to show you this bit out of the Film Network.

01:15:30.000 We're going to chat to you about that.

01:15:32.000 Me and Gareth are going to do stuff.

01:15:34.000 I'll take my top off, if you like.

01:15:35.000 I'm not bothered.

01:15:36.000 I don't think anyone's asked for that, are they?

01:15:37.000 Sorry about that.

01:15:38.000 Just lowered the tone.

01:15:40.000 Musk's net worth exceeds the GDPs of Colombia, Finland, Pakistan, Chile.

01:15:44.000 We've told you that once, but were you focused?

01:15:47.000 Did you absorb it?

01:15:48.000 You read that out like it was a new story.

01:15:50.000 I know.

01:15:52.000 I know, I was so pleased with myself for that.

01:15:54.000 Look, just wanted to let you know a few more of your comments.

01:15:56.000 DubDoc, why are we so convinced nuclear conflict would begin with Putin's decision? 1.00

01:16:01.000 Shit, yeah. 1.00

01:16:02.000 More likely to be some BS false flag action that gives Russia no choice but to respond to it and then it will spiral out of control. 1.00

01:16:07.000 Do you know, I really don't want a nuclear war, do you?

01:16:09.000 No, I'd rather not have one.

01:16:10.000 Does anyone actually think, yeah, it might be alright, reset.

01:16:13.000 If you're a homeless person, for example, you're ahead of the game in this instance, isn't it?

01:16:17.000 It's not the way I would think about it, if I was them, but...

01:16:21.000 Like you're outside.

01:16:22.000 Yeah.

01:16:23.000 I want to think I'm ahead of the game here.

01:16:24.000 I know.

01:16:25.000 Wait a minute.

01:16:26.000 Suddenly, a bit of a shift.

01:16:28.000 Now I'm, huh, who's the new kid in town?

01:16:31.000 Forest Colt, yeah.

01:16:33.000 Welcome to my world.

01:16:35.000 Stuff in the sky, yeah.

01:16:36.000 Get used to it.

01:16:37.000 I'm in charge.

01:16:37.000 I'm the boss now.

01:16:38.000 I'm the daddy now.

01:16:40.000 Everyone do what I say.

01:16:41.000 Anyway, have a look at this before we go, just have a look at this.

01:16:44.000 Sometimes you wonder, is there, are there simultaneous multiverses colliding?

01:16:48.000 Is the limitation of consciousness as we perceive it, simple as individuals?

01:16:54.000 But not all there is.

01:16:55.000 Are there great realms of consciousness waiting to be born?

01:16:59.000 Have a look at the bloody weather.

01:17:00.000 It's interdimensional weather, finally.

01:17:02.000 Check it out.

01:17:03.000 57 and Marshall 50 is the current temperature right now in Winona.

01:17:08.000 Ooh, that's funky!

01:17:11.000 What is going...

01:17:12.000 Oh, I like how she responded to that man.

01:17:14.000 Not only did she make that interdimensional, she made it damn sexy. 0.99

01:17:19.000 There's something sexy about the weather, isn't there?

01:17:22.000 Is there?

01:17:23.000 I'm not sure, is there?

01:17:24.000 Well, quite often the weather is a bit sexy.

01:17:25.000 Is the weather sexy?

01:17:27.000 Like, quite often you see that the vibe of the weather is sexy.

01:17:30.000 Yeah, I think it's usually because they're doing like normal news and then they go to the weather for a bit of light entertainment in a way.

01:17:38.000 Death, murder, lies, treachery.

01:17:41.000 Let's have a look at the weather now.

01:17:42.000 Oh my god, this is another dimension!

01:17:45.000 It's weird, isn't it?

01:17:47.000 I just see a bit more of us.

01:17:48.000 I don't really know what's going on!

01:17:51.000 I really like that.

01:17:53.000 I should always do that on the weather.

01:17:55.000 Like, it's gone crazy.

01:17:57.000 Mmm.

01:17:57.000 Because the world is crazy.

01:17:59.000 Reality is crazy.

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01:18:08.000 We continue this.

01:18:09.000 And I relax a little bit more.

01:18:10.000 I get crazy.

01:18:11.000 More relaxed?

01:18:11.000 It's a bit like when you go...

01:18:13.000 You know, like a last day of term, when you can bring games into school?

01:18:16.000 It's a bit like that!

01:18:17.000 Also, though, there's long-form conversations with Wim Hof, Vandana Shiva, Eckhart Tolle.

01:18:22.000 All of those are going to be guests on Rumble over the coming weeks.

01:18:25.000 But you get more conversation with Stay Free AF.

01:18:28.000 Also, my stand-up special is going to be on there pretty soon.

01:18:31.000 Also, we'll do, you know, whatever you want.

01:18:33.000 We're trying to evolve these communities out, really.

01:18:35.000 Just basically trying to stay out of trouble, aren't we?

01:18:37.000 Basically just trying to create a lot of beauty in this crazy world.

01:18:41.000 We do live events, we've got a community event coming up next year.

01:18:44.000 Free day event in the countryside.

01:18:47.000 Can you imagine?

01:18:47.000 Wim Hof, Vandana Shiva, me.

01:18:49.000 Michael Bolton.

01:18:51.000 Michael Bolton will be there.

01:18:53.000 You know, instead of bunting, you know what we're gonna have?

01:18:55.000 Instead of bunting, we're gonna get Michael Bolton.

01:18:59.000 There comes something, string him up, string him up, we'll put little tea lights in him.

01:19:04.000 Michael Bolton's lit up hemorrhoids.

01:19:06.000 That's the atmosphere that we want.

01:19:08.000 That is a promise.

01:19:10.000 That's a promise!

01:19:11.000 We will deliver unto thee, Michael Bolton's tealight lit hemorrhoids.

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01:19:42.000 We're talking about censorship, how the U.S.

01:19:44.000 government work with Google to influence people.

01:19:47.000 A whole bunch of stuff.

01:19:48.000 There's them t-shirts, if you want to look at them.

01:19:50.000 And, oh, also, we've got a brilliant, brilliant news item.

01:19:54.000 The EcoHealth Alliance are... Can you believe that the EcoHealth Alliance that were working out of Wuhan at the same time as the old coronavirus started, which definitely came from a wet market, they've given them more grants to study more bat coronaviruses. 0.98

01:20:09.000 How interested in bat coronaviruses can you be that you're willing to cause all these pandemics? 1.00

01:20:16.000 Allegedly.

01:20:17.000 Anyway, so we've got loads to talk about over the course of the week, but join us.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - October 06, 2022

Stay Free with Russell Brand #007 - What Happens When You Challenge Dominant Power?

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