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00:10:32.000You are going to love this conversation.
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00:13:11.000Well, it's time now to have a deeper look at the news for today.
00:13:15.000A explicit look at the stories that affect us all, whether it's the military-industrial complex, big media, big government, big food, centralised corporate globalism, big tech, the military-industrial complex.
00:13:28.000We give you the news that the news will not give you, and we give you techniques and tools to awaken yourself.
00:13:49.000Sweden have done an investigation, but it's too top secret for us ever to know about it.
00:13:54.000Luckily, the mainstream media can be relied upon to tell us the absolute truth in an unbiased way.
00:14:03.000Let's have a deeper look at what's happening with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and Sweden's investigation that was so secret they can't even tell us about it.
00:14:10.000All we'd love to tell you about is too secret.
00:14:12.000This Volvo we've made so safe you can't even get in it.
00:14:15.000Right, let's see what's going on with this bloody pipeline.
00:14:18.000This is from FAIR who are a media watchdog who look at the way the information is conveyed so that we can assess whether or not we're being given biased or honest information.
00:14:26.000The Nord Stream explosions triggered a lopsided whodunit in US media, with commentators almost universally fingering Russia as the culprit, despite the lack of a plausible motive.
00:14:35.000Russia get blamed for bloody everything these days, eh?
00:14:38.000They're collaborating with Trump, they're dabbling in elections.
00:14:41.000Official US opposition to the pipeline has been well established over the years, giving Washington ample motive to destroy the pipelines, but most newsrooms uniformly suppress this history and attack those who raised it.
00:14:53.000Okay, so we know that in the past America have said that it's part of their long-term economic and geopolitical strategy to ensure that Europe gets its energy needs met through North America.
00:15:05.000If this was a murder mystery, you'd have to get M. Night Shyamalan, or however he's called, involved to make it a bit more mysterious, because at the moment, it's really obvious.
00:15:14.000It'll be like... At the beginning of Usual Suspects, Kevin Spacey going, look, I'm Kaiser Soze, do what I fucking tell ya, I'm putting this limp on.
00:15:22.000Tonight, European leaders are accusing Russia of sabotaging two underwater gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea.
00:15:29.000Authorities are investigating the leaks in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, a vital source of natural gas for Europe.
00:15:35.000Wouldn't you like the news just to say, look, it's a bit weird, like, if it ain't America, this is what the news
00:15:42.000For ages, we've been saying stuff like, it would be to our advantage if those pipelines were exploded,
00:15:46.000but in some weird, almost unbelievable coincidence, Russia have done it for reasons that are not clear.
00:15:52.000For the latest on the war in Ukraine and more apparent sabotage from Russia on the critical Nord Stream pipeline.
00:15:57.000The US calling this a deliberate act of sabotage while NATO threatens to retaliate.
00:16:02.000Russia have done this on purpose to themselves making a gaseous fried egg like bubbly explosion on the surface of the Baltic Sea for no real reason and it is super convenient for us.
00:16:25.000So there's no balance, there's no transparency, there's no honesty, there's no willingness to examine both sides of any argument.
00:16:34.000I think that the culture war is exacerbated by the lack of willingness for people from different cultural positions to have discussions, let alone with something complex like a After the explosions, much of the press dutifully parroted the Western official line.
00:16:47.000The Washington Post quickly produced an account, citing nothing but EU officials who claimed that while they had no evidence of Russian involvement, only Russia had the motivation, the submersible equipment and the capability.
00:17:03.000Who around here has submersible equipment?
00:17:13.000Much of the media cast their suspicion towards Russia, including Bloomberg, Vox, Associated Press, and much of cable news.
00:17:20.000With few exceptions, speculation on US involvement has seemingly been deemed an intellectual no-fly zone.
00:17:25.000Why would you not at least cover the possibility that seems most likely?
00:17:30.000I suppose these stories in the end become an opportunity to witness in real time the way that media and state imperatives co-align and operate together.
00:17:40.000You're simply not allowed to countenance the possibility of complexity.
00:17:45.000The idea that only Russia had the means and motivation is clearly false on both counts.
00:17:49.000Washington has made it clear for years it doesn't want the pipeline and has taken active measures to stop it coming online.
00:17:55.000As for the means, it's painfully absurd to suggest the US doesn't have the capability to lay explosives in 200 feet of water.
00:18:02.000You get Joe Biden on the news saying that if you don't do exactly as we say there's going to be a nuclear war, then they're saying they can't blow up something just because it's in a fish tank.
00:18:10.000Any serious coverage of the Nord Stream attack should acknowledge that opposition to the pipeline has been the centerpiece of the US grand strategy in Europe.
00:18:37.000The long-term goal has been to keep Russia isolated and disjointed from Europe, and to keep the countries of Europe tied to US markets.
00:18:43.000Ever since German and Russian energy companies signed a deal to begin development on Nord Stream 2, the entire machinery of Washington has been working overtime to scuttle it.
00:18:58.000Well, guess we don't need to scuttle it no more!
00:19:01.000A 2019 Pentagon-funded study from the RAND Corporation on how best to exploit Russia's economic, political and military vulnerabilities and anxieties.
00:19:09.000Bit of all this is their anxieties as well.
00:19:10.000Why don't we just tell them they're not good enough, that their mum never loved them and that the reason their dad left was their fault?
00:19:23.000That means you can literally point to a report from the RAND Corporation going, well, what about this bit here where it says hinder pipeline expansions?
00:19:31.000Oh, no, no, we were like that was just that's a poem.
00:19:45.000Well, first and foremost in our study of how to exploit military vulnerabilities and anxieties is stop, gas, and hinder pipeline expansions, and point one, Nord Stream 2.
00:19:58.000As I say, this is a poem, this is abstract, all these things are metaphors.
00:20:02.000But Putin, oh, that guy, this is right out of his playbook, you know, the way that he blows up his own pipelines and sabotages his own economic interest.
00:20:39.000Even in spite of my obvious flaws and fallibilities, I think what you trust is I'm trying my best and I care about you, human to human.
00:20:47.000In spite of the fact that I'll obviously make mistakes along the way, I'm not going to deliberately Lie to you because of my own economic interests because I've always hated that pipeline.
00:20:54.000Imagine if you found out I'd blown out that pipeline.
00:20:56.000Fucking hell, that guy, he took us on a journey but I haven't done it because I actually don't have the submersive.
00:21:02.000I haven't got a submarine out the back.
00:21:04.000We're at full pace just trying to deliver this video.
00:21:28.000In order to lead Russia to increase its direct involvement in the conflict and the price it pays for it.
00:21:33.000Even though it acknowledged that Russia might respond by mounting a new offensive and seizing more Ukrainian territory.
00:21:38.000In a way, it was an extraordinarily prophetic document, that RAND study.
00:21:42.000It's like telling you, they're going to blow up that pipeline, we're going to arm Ukraine, that's going to lead to military action.
00:21:49.000So if concurrent with that, You can see that there were events in 2014, NATO impingement, like, whatever this is, and obviously I don't feel qualified to start attributing blame in a global conflict.
00:22:03.000But it's pretty clear that it's not just, oh, we're all out of mind in our own business, just trying to live life to the full and everything, like in a vitamins advert.
00:22:11.000And in Russia, for no reason, just started bombing Ukraine, and then blew up their own pipeline.
00:22:27.000They're not involved in military activity, or funding foreign wars, or the strategies around American foreign policy, or a nexus for the relationship between military-industrial complex and the American military, are they?
00:22:41.000The Obama administration opposed the pipeline.
00:22:43.000As part of the major sanctions package against Russia in 2017, the Trump administration began sanctioning any company doing work on the pipeline.
00:22:50.000The move generated outrage in Germany, where many saw it as an attempt to meddle with European markets.
00:23:58.000During his confirmation hearings in 2021, Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Congress he was determined to do whatever I can to prevent Nord Stream 2 from being completed.
00:24:08.000Like if someone had said that about like a wedding and then you'd found like the bridegroom with his head stoved in with a candlestick you'd go...
00:24:15.000What about Antony Blinken who said he was determined to do whatever he can to prevent, like you go, oh well I mean god you've took that out of context.
00:24:22.000Well here's the context to prevent the Nord Stream 2 from being completed.
00:24:28.000There has to be an amount of context that's going to hide the fact that we We did this!
00:24:32.000Months later, the State Department reiterated that any entity involved in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline risks U.S.
00:24:38.000sanctions and should immediately abandon work on the pipeline.
00:24:41.000As Russia was gathering troops at Ukraine's border at the beginning of the year, U.S.
00:24:46.000administration officials issued threats against the pipeline's operation in the event of a Russian invasion.
00:24:51.000In January, under the Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, one of the main players during the 2014 maiden coup in Ukraine, issued a stern warning against the pipeline.
00:25:00.000If Russia invades one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.
00:25:08.000Well, hey, that pipeline's actually been blown up.
00:25:12.000Do you know anything about this, Victoria?
00:25:14.000Well, what about when you said, if Russia invades one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will, period, two, period, not, period, move, period, forward, period.
00:25:31.000In sharp contrast to the US's antagonism, Russia has taken the opposite approach to the pipeline it spent billions of dollars to complete.
00:25:40.000As recently as three weeks ago, Putin expressed willingness to supply more gas if the EU would lift the sanctions against the newer pipeline.
00:25:47.000He said, if things are so bad, just go ahead and lift sanctions against Nord Stream 2 with its 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
00:25:53.000All they have to do is press the button and they will get it going.
00:25:55.000Diplomatic sources told The Cradle that Russia and Germany were in talks about both NS1 and NS2 on the day of the explosion.
00:26:02.000So like, one argument is that Russia did it while they were...
00:26:06.000Economically dependent upon it, trying to protect it and guaranteeing its success.
00:26:11.000The other one is that America did it after decades of threats that they were gonna do it.
00:26:17.000This is why people don't trust the mainstream media because that isn't even being included in the conversation.
00:26:24.000That's insane to me that you wouldn't make that clear.
00:26:27.000All you can possibly argue at this point is, look, you lot, you don't know what you're talking about.
00:26:31.000If Russia were in charge of the world, your life would be so much worse and you'd all have to wear, like, grey boiler suits, although I'd just sew stuff on it, I've been quite into it, and you wouldn't be happy.
00:26:41.000So at this point, the only argument you can make is, even though America is tyrannical and despotic and uses consumer capitalism to keep people spellbound in a state of continual hypnosis, appeased only by our ability to access screens and sugar, it's better than what you'd get under Russia and China.
00:26:58.000The one country, though, that does stick their oar in in weird places like Southeast Asia, North Korea, all over the gaff, is the one that's been saying stuff like, we'll blow up that pipeline just you try making a pipeline.
00:27:18.000Like, That's the one that we should be investigating, isn't it?
00:27:22.000The day after the attack, German government sources leaked to the German daily Der Spiegel that weeks earlier the CIA warned Germany of a potential attack on the pipeline.
00:27:29.000However, sources told CNN that the warnings were vague and it was not clear from the warnings who might be responsible for any attacks on the pipelines.
00:28:03.000A high-level source in German intelligence told The Cradle that they were furious because they were not in the loop.
00:28:08.000After the attack, Blinken called the bombing a tremendous opportunity to once and for all remove the dependence on Russian energy, and said that this offers tremendous strategic opportunity for years to come.
00:28:19.000On the other hand, Russia has already announced plans to begin repairing the pipeline.
00:28:22.000So, I mean, look, either Russia are so strategically engaged in this that it's like a total mindfuck beyond what I'm capable of handling, or America have simply made good on a series of threats, promises, and long-term plans that have been published and promoted by them.
00:29:25.000That's disrespectful to the Ukrainians, and you're not acknowledging how evil Putin is.
00:29:30.000Now, look over there at how evil Putin is, and how sad that war is, while I just do something 200 foot under the sea that only Russia could do, because they're the only ones with submarines and Navy SEALs.
00:29:40.000I mean, whatever their Navy SEALs are.
00:29:42.000And I'm going to be over here, not doing anything, under... Damn you, pipeline!
00:29:57.000The mainstream media, the American government, and the military-industrial complex, or your own lying eyes and ears?
00:30:03.000I think we should have a long look at both sides of the argument, then come to our own conclusion that it was Russia, because Putin is evil.
00:30:41.000At this time where the world is consumed by a cost-of-living crisis, what role does the control of agriculture and big food play?
00:30:52.000Do you feel that there is a concerted effort to exert control over the basic components of human life?
00:31:01.000Well, you know, trained as a physicist, I wouldn't have dedicated the last four decades of my life trying to figure out The food and agriculture system that first is very violent.
00:31:19.000Otherwise, farmers of Punjab wouldn't have been dispossessed and got into debt.
00:31:25.000Innocent women, children, men wouldn't have died in the city of Bhopal in 1984.
00:31:31.000That's the year I started to study the agriculture system.
00:31:34.000And I have not stopped since that time.
00:31:37.000Big corporations had no role in growing food.
00:31:39.000Growing food was an act of care, an act of love.
00:31:43.000The corporations got into agriculture first after the wars.
00:31:48.000Same corporations that made chemicals for Hitler's concentration camps, poison gases for the war.
00:31:56.000Corporations that started to trade in food as a commodity rather than food as nourishment and food as life.
00:32:02.000And then, of course, a bunch of them created junk food and ultra processed food that's responsible for 75% of the chronic diseases in our times.
00:32:13.000Globalization, you know, the rules of WTO literally were rules of handing control over agriculture to them.
00:32:20.000This has brought us the multiple crisis, including the fact that after the financial crisis, the Wall Street collapse of 2008, the financial system has got into food.
00:32:33.000And if you look at the current cost of living crisis, whether it's energy or it's food, both basic needs should be public goods, should be regulated as public goods.
00:32:44.000Most of the hype in the prices is related to speculation and financialization.
00:32:51.000So food and agriculture have become another commodity, an outward node of the financial system as understood through trading, city trading.
00:33:04.000I suppose it's another abstraction of life and another opportunity for control.
00:33:11.000What is the role of Bill Gates and other big tech moguls and titans in this increasing Technologization.
00:33:23.000That is indeed the correct phrase of food and agriculture.
00:33:26.000So, you know, years ago, Gates visited India and visited our president.
00:33:34.000And, you know, the Indian presidential palace is a leftover of the British rule.
00:33:38.000And really brilliant banquets are put out for international guests.
00:33:44.000And here was all this wonderful Indian food.
00:35:20.000He actually has a company called Editas, which rakes in all the patents.
00:35:25.000I mean, we know what happened with the vaccines.
00:35:28.000The very people who were supposed to be regulating were taking the patents for the vaccines, rather than be detached, work in the public interest, work as independent regulators.
00:35:42.000The second way in which Bill Gates is getting into agriculture is by what he calls digital agriculture.
00:36:04.000If the farmers first were forced to get addicted to chemicals and chemical fertilizers are what some of the most destructive elements in the world.
00:36:12.000They're killing the oceans with dead zones.
00:36:15.000They're leading to emissions of nitrous oxide.
00:36:17.000which is 300 times more damaging to the climate.
00:36:21.000And the soils are being killed because soil organisms need organic matter.
00:36:26.000They don't want a chemical that was made first for explosives and ammunitions and is now being used for the soil.
00:36:35.000Gates is taking the next step after the Monsanto control.
00:36:41.000The Monsanto control was adapt engineer seeds to take more chemicals.
00:36:46.000So the explosion of glyphosate and use of Roundup is because of the Roundup ready crops.
00:36:53.000Gates is now wanting a new dependence.
00:36:59.000Key is trying to treat them as empty heads, just like they define the soil as an empty container.
00:37:05.000And He has signed agreements all over with the Mexican IT, you know, the person who controls the smartphones of Mexico that farmers will have to take instructions.
00:37:20.000From the billionaires and the poison cartel of the world.
00:37:24.000So they depend on chemicals, they depend on seeds, now they have to depend on their knowledge.
00:37:30.000And this total control can only happen.
00:37:33.000It can't happen on a farm like Navdanya's where we are just concluding a beautiful course with people from around the world called Return to Earth.
00:37:42.000For us, doing good farming is returning to the earth as earth beings.
00:37:46.000Taking care of the earth, growing diversity.
00:37:48.000Our farm is so diverse, there is no way a drone.
00:37:52.000could monitor it, it'll get thoroughly confused.
00:37:55.000But to do the kind of agriculture Gates wants, he wants an agriculture that will have very large scale monocultures, will be chemical, except that you will now, you know, have precision agriculture to tell the farmer, you know, put five kilograms of nitrogen here and put 5.2 kilograms of nitrogen here, and would try and engineer the entire industrial agriculture operation.
00:38:20.000But even more seriously, Gates wants to control our food, you know.
00:38:25.000He is the biggest financier of fake food, lab food.
00:38:30.000So, Bayer and Monsanto are already planning a large-scale agriculture, where agriculture doesn't produce food that we eat, but raw materials of carbohydrates and proteins for fake food to be manufactured in the lab.
00:38:50.000Your program Russell, you know, staying free today is about seed freedom and food freedom.
00:38:56.000This is the movement I've been building for 40 years.
00:38:59.000Each of us, each of us has a right to food freedom.
00:39:03.000And food freedom means to know what you're eating, how it was grown, and to eat what's healthy for you, rather than eat what will kill you with disease and will kill the planet with chemicals, fossil fuels, because industrial agriculture is a fossil fuel agriculture.
00:39:19.000It feels like extremist materialism to the point of ecocide, where the idea of spirit or mystery or symbiosis or Gaia has been extracted by this advanced rationalism, this obsession and fetishization of measurement and control.
00:39:43.000To the point where our planet becomes unviable.
00:39:48.000It's almost a trope, Vandana, in the sci-fi world, that the mechanical mind of an AI entity will one day, in a dystopian twist, decide that there's no point in humanity, that life itself is unviable.
00:40:05.000But it appears that we're doing this already by adopting a kind of AI rationalist mentality that excludes the immeasurable value of that which is difficult to know.
00:40:19.000Other than what you've just said, and I reckon it is contained in what you said, other than returning to practices of agriculture and indeed life that are at odds with and oppose this advancing ideology, How do we re-engage with nature in a way that can oppose something that's so vast, so powerful and hegemonic, something as potent as Bill Gates and all of his wealth and power and infrastructure, all veiled under philanthropy?
00:40:53.000What kind of movements can we practice and support?
00:41:00.000Well, you know, what I've always done is first understand what are the instruments of control.
00:41:07.000When I understood the instruments of control were the chemicals and poisons in agriculture, I said, let's grow food without chemicals.
00:41:14.000And that's totally possible in ecological agriculture, agroecology, organic farming, biodynamics, give it whatever name you want to.
00:41:22.000Then I found seeds were to be patented, and genetically engineered seed forced on us.
00:41:27.000So freedom, staying free was saving the seed.
00:41:30.000Now we have this horrible convergence of failed biotechnology, the genetic engineering biotechnology edifice, totalitarian information technology, and the financialization of the world, Through a new technologizing of money, turning it more and more fictitious.
00:41:56.000And, you know, the Gates and the Rockefellers and the New York Stock Exchange are already talking about owning every bit of nature through natural asset companies.
00:42:08.000And making money on the financial markets, you know?
00:42:11.000A river flows, it's got that much water.
00:42:17.000But if you turn it into a financial asset, you can multiply fictitiously while appropriating the natural resources.
00:42:24.000So, they're talking of four thousand trillion dollars of Of gambling on nature and making money out of it.
00:42:33.000So if this is the instrument, I mean this fourth industrial revolution that Mr. Klaus Schwab keeps talking about, is this convergence of power.
00:42:41.000And its illusions include, just like our seeds were called primitive, we in the colonial period were called primitive and we could be colonized.
00:42:51.000Humanity is being called primitive and you know, unevolved.
00:42:55.000Being, and therefore needs to be enhanced by being totally enslaved, you know, through the algorithms and the computers, the machines.
00:43:04.000And, you know, Gates has a patent called 060606, exactly when COVID was locking us all in.
00:43:12.000He had already applied a Microsoft patent of us as users and the gadgets as the determinants of our value through the algorithms and the social credit system.
00:43:24.000Would they decide whether we are worth having freedom or not?
00:43:32.000I think there are two forms of resistance.
00:43:35.000One is when farmers whose livelihoods are threatened by laws like the Dutch laws.
00:43:40.000The last time we met and we talked, that was what was the big issue, the Netherlands laws that would wipe out small farms, that would wipe out animals, or the Indian protests.
00:43:53.000Everywhere, everywhere where laws are brought in to make it more difficult for farmers to farm, there are protests.
00:43:59.000But I think an even bigger movement is the movement of reclaiming food sovereignty and growing your own food.
00:44:08.000And this got accelerated during COVID because people, A, the supply chains were shut down, but more than that, people started to make the connections between food and health.
00:44:18.000And they realized there's no food better than food you've grown with your own hands and your own heart.
00:44:23.000And the explosion of organic gardens around the world You know, in our movement, about 6,000 gardens of hope were created by the women in this period of when we were locked down.
00:47:37.000Her earth systems, her planet systems and it's the disruption, yeah?
00:47:42.000I see parallels between the disruption of the human body's metabolism with junk food and fast food and ultra-processed food and the destruction of Gaia's metabolism through junk energy, yeah?
00:48:39.000You know, we are not here to be dumped on all over again.
00:48:43.000We will live lives of love, taking care of Mother Earth, and we will together generate the kind of power that makes your system redundant.
00:48:53.000As long as we know you are cooking up structures of further control and extinction, as you said, ecocide, you know, Their idea is destroy the earth and destroy all human freedom and our idea is regenerate the earth and and grow human freedom even deeper.
00:49:12.000I need to speak to you every day because like I return to a kind of even though I oppose the ideas that I frame in the questions in another way Vandana I am sort of similarly seduced by Ideas of materialism and individualism and competition, and almost in a way it's like I want to challenge these centres of power with the same frequency of force that they espouse, that I feel like a sort of an individualistic, priapic urgency to oppose it.
00:49:52.000When I hear you describe the organic systems that are in place from the sub-molecular to the cosmic, that in their own almost archetypal rhythms are already assuring a certainty in survival, that there are cooperative systems that don't need like overt masculine assertion in order to be resolved, I feel like, God, I'm sort of just part of this.
00:50:21.000I'm just another person in the mix, sort of fighting for a kind of form of individualism.
00:50:29.000Like, what you say, it sounds, you know, when it entered Western culture, so sort of Rousseauian and idealistic, that it's, unless it's directly coming from you, I sometimes feel like, no, this is, like, this is utopianism.
00:50:48.000I've been schooled in individualism and the kind of self-centeredness that our system inheres and encourages.
00:50:56.000Like, I've had my own journeys of feeling weak and unempowered and then my own journey of feeling personal success and personal prowess and personal potency, so that I've, sort of, it's somehow in my body and in my blood to kind of, to even, to unconsciously somehow agree with The systems of power that we are describing and that my questions are directing you to condemn.
00:51:20.000So, how is it that... What kind of faith is it that you have, as well as the action that you're undertaking?
00:51:26.000I didn't know, for example, about that Earth University and that Satish Kumar comes there and teaches.
00:51:31.000And I thought, my God, I want to come to that place!
00:51:32.000I'd like to go there and... Please come!
00:53:13.000This idea of essential entities, fixed entities that can't change, that too is totally obsolete.
00:53:21.000But my second stream comes from the fact that, you know, now it's, you know, I'm going to be 70 this November and And you know, and that's part of the reason my publishers wanted me to write my movement memoir, The Terra Viva.
00:53:41.000And I hope we'll have time to talk about it.
00:53:43.000But you know, it's 50 years since I've been doing ecological.
00:54:00.000So I think the second, you know, 50 years of ecological work, learning from nature, learning from communities, it allows you to shed some of these mechanistic ideas that are at the foundation of how we think of the economy, how we think of political power, how we think of society, you know.
00:54:23.000This idea of atomized individuals who need hubs to control them, that's what's blocking community.
00:54:41.000I mean, when Gaia The idea of Gaia was created.
00:54:46.000It was Lynn Margolis with James Lovelock.
00:54:49.000And Lynn Margolis was the biologist to show the world that the idea that species compete with each other, that parts of a body compete with each other, are so false.
00:54:59.000If we didn't have cooperation, we wouldn't be alive.
00:55:02.000And that applies for the microbes, and it applies for the plants, and the forest, and it applies to the human community.
00:55:08.000So I think, basically, it's partly A paradigm shift in terms of the way we think of science.
00:55:16.000You know, Cartesian and Baconian science is so disconnected from the world.
00:56:30.000It is, as the title says, Terra Viva, my life in a biodiversity of movements.
00:56:34.000And my first involvement, of course, with the Chipko movement, a beautiful movement where women came out to hug the trees and stop the logging, which was leading to deforestation, landslides, floods, disasters.
00:56:47.000And then, of course, my work on the seed.
00:56:50.000And how and why I started to save seeds, how I absolutely rejected the idea that seeds were a machine and invented Violent Sand.
00:57:00.000Yeah, and they could have intellectual property rights on this machine.
00:57:03.000Now, seed is the ultimate self-organized expression of life.
00:57:08.000And the word for us in India is bija, that which arises on its own forever and ever and ever.
00:57:16.000If we can be like the seed, then we will stay free.
00:57:21.000I talk about the movement globally we created of diverse women for diversity, because for me, the idea of monocultures, It's so perverse because the world is diverse culturally, it's diverse biologically, and when we got together as a movement of diverse women for diversity, and of course my years of fighting globalization and GATT and WTO and the creation of the International Forum on Globalization, which shut down WTO in Seattle, reminded us that when people get together, they have the power to stop the biggest institution.
00:57:55.000The whole issue of water, privatization, Including Coca-Cola trying to steal the water and the women rose up and shut the Coca-Cola plant down in Plachimada.
00:58:08.000And I have the privilege to support them and join them.
00:58:12.000Or the Ganges River being privatized by Suez.
00:58:15.000And now there are attempts to financialize water, biodiversity, nature as a whole.
00:58:22.000So the issue of financialization will be the big issue in the years to come.
00:58:26.000And of course, my dedication to reject the idea of patents on life, because a patent is given for an invention.
00:58:36.000We can modify, we can modify badly like GMOs, we can modify brilliantly like Indian peasants evolving 200,000 varieties of rice out of one grass.
00:58:46.000And all my battles on fighting biopiracy, big corporations.
00:58:51.000Monsanto claiming to have invented our ancient wheat that does not lead to gluten allergy.
00:58:55.000A Texas company claiming to have invented the basmati rice, you know, the aromatic rice from my valley.
00:59:06.000I fought against the pageanting of neem, a tree that we have used for pest control.
00:59:11.000My grandmother used it, my mother used it, and then a corporation in 1994 claims they have invented the use of neem for biopesticide.
00:59:19.000And then the climate issue, and finally, you know, because we are inter-beings, you know, I think the big breakthrough we have to make in our time, if we have to stay free and stay alive, is to realize that we are inter-beings, yeah?
00:59:35.00090% of us Our other microbes, 90% of us, we're only 10% human cells.
00:59:43.000And especially with the COVID, you know, just like earlier, every insect had to be killed with insecticides and every plant had to be killed with Roundup, you know, there was so much writing on this war against the virus.
00:59:57.000But we are the viral, you know, we, our skin, We are just walking my viromes.
01:00:04.000So I think instead of this cultivation of fear of the diversity of which we are a part, my book Terra Viva is about the celebration of diversity and interbeing.
01:00:20.000One is, when you get to the point of patenting life itself, I suppose that is the usurping of the divine in a very practical sense.
01:00:27.000It's almost like the supplanting of God of our understanding as the apex and creator and genesis of all existence.
01:00:38.000Once you arrive at that point in a kind of a clerical and bureaucratic and indeed patented form, then, truly then, Nietzsche's prognosis is carried out.
01:01:35.000By now we should have been harvesting, but there is no sun to ripen.
01:01:40.000And while I was looking at the rice, you know, and I'm thinking, here is this amazing seed that became a thousand seeds.
01:01:49.000And here are the Monsantos and the Gates thinking, we will prevent the seed from renewing, we will terminate the fertility of seed and we will be gods.
01:01:59.000So God move over is what GMOs actually mean.
01:02:03.000Yes, and when Foucault talked about biopolitics, the control of life itself, I can see now how, through technology, life in a botanical sense is being patented and controlled, and in the form of human consciousness, through the management and control of attention, as well as, obviously, behaviour, You can see how every aspect of life is being controlled and curated, how spontaneity is being extinguished.
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01:05:00.000I was wondering, could you give me a meditation on falling in love again after heartbreak?
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