Stay Free - Russel Brand - “STRANGE THINGS WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE ELECTION” Vivek Ramaswamy On Trump & Project 2025 - SF462

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00:02:20.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:02:33.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:02:34.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:37.000 Vivek Ramaswamy coming up.

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00:03:01.000 What a week it's been.

00:03:03.000 Who knows what next week will bring.

00:03:05.000 Trump says that we're going to Mars.

00:03:08.000 Every single one of us is a Ziggy Stardust in waiting.

00:03:11.000 The world in space.

00:03:13.000 Remember, I did Space Force.

00:03:14.000 I did that.

00:03:15.000 I rebuilt the military.

00:03:16.000 I did a lot.

00:03:17.000 But we have Space Force.

00:03:18.000 First time in 79 years since Air Force.

00:03:22.000 First time, think of it, Space Force.

00:03:24.000 And now we're leading in space over Russia and China.

00:03:26.000 They were killing us when I took over.

00:03:28.000 And now we're leading.

00:03:30.000 But military, we're going to reach, and it's my plan, I'll talk to Elon.

00:03:35.000 Elon, get those rocket ships going because... Elon, Elon.

00:03:39.000 I like how he talks.

00:03:40.000 We want to reach Mars before the end of my term.

00:03:44.000 We want to do it.

00:03:45.000 And we want to have also...

00:03:47.000 Great military protection in space because that's where it's going to be at.

00:03:51.000 Gotta have good military protection in space.

00:03:54.000 Kamala Harris could offer you some business loans or something. 0.82

00:03:57.000 Business loans or frozen grocery prices.

00:04:01.000 To hell with that.

00:04:02.000 We're going to Mars with Trump and Elon.

00:04:04.000 It's gonna be fantastic.

00:04:06.000 There's some pretty terrible things can go down in an airport environment.

00:04:10.000 Sometimes you might see one of those sniffer dogs and think, Oh, no!

00:04:13.000 It's the last thing I need.

00:04:14.000 Do you mind, sir, if I just put this on and put this on?

00:04:18.000 Those are terrifying moments.

00:04:19.000 But imagine being the former head of the NIH, Dr. Francis Collins, and running into Alex Jones in an airport just by chance.

00:04:27.000 I mean, that's going to ruin your holiday.

00:04:29.000 Hey, Mr. Collins.

00:04:32.000 How you doing?

00:04:35.000 I'm all right.

00:04:37.000 We're good. 20 plus million people dead from those shots.

00:04:40.000 Well, truth's come out about you and Fauci.

00:04:47.000 How does it feel to kill more people than Hitler? 0.77

00:04:48.000 You're writing some folk songs about it? 0.62

00:04:52.000 You'll never get away with what you did, your bioweapon.

00:04:54.000 You're in a lot of trouble.

00:04:56.000 Nuremberg 2 is coming.

00:04:58.000 We'll be exposing that guy.

00:04:59.000 All of them are going to prison in Nuremberg 2.

00:05:02.000 They can run, but they can't hide.

00:05:03.000 The truth will get them.

00:05:05.000 Mass murderers.

00:05:06.000 What a character, old Alex Jones there.

00:05:09.000 I like the initial moment where he's like, oh, hello, would you like an autograph or perhaps a tablet or a booster shot?

00:05:14.000 Oh no, it's Alex Jones!

00:05:17.000 This is a nightmare.

00:05:18.000 You remember the fair and democratic process that led to the election of Kamala Harris?

00:05:23.000 You know, there's nothing to worry about.

00:05:25.000 You know, there never was a... I don't even remember Joe Biden, which ironically is like Joe Biden himself.

00:05:30.000 Here's Nancy Pelosi claiming that there was an open primary when Biden stepped down And Kamala Harris won fair and square.

00:05:39.000 I don't remember that!

00:05:41.000 You reportedly said you wanted a sort of an open primary if Joe Biden stepped down.

00:05:47.000 Did you change your mind because you saw all the excitement around Kamala Harris?

00:05:54.000 No, I didn't change my mind.

00:05:55.000 We had an open primary and she won it.

00:05:57.000 Nobody else got in the race because she was politically astute. 1.00

00:06:03.000 See?

00:06:04.000 Everything's okay.

00:06:05.000 What's the problem?

00:06:06.000 What are you questioning it for?

00:06:08.000 Don't think!

00:06:09.000 Maybe she was trying to illustrate what misinformation means, posted Elon Musk in our country, Nigel Farage, Former leader of reform, engineer many would say of Brexit, former guest of the show, says that it's more likely that you'll go to prison for calling someone a paedophile than being a paedophile.

00:06:34.000 I think in response to a very high profile case here in this country where a BBC newscaster was found to have Pretty appalling imagery on his phone pertaining to subjects that I don't even want to name out loud.

00:06:48.000 Let's have a look at Farage making the claim.

00:06:51.000 It does seem rather odd that you can go to prison for calling someone a paedophile online but not for being one.

00:07:00.000 And that sort of double standard is how it looks to most people.

00:07:04.000 And I think one of the problems that we've got Mohammed is whether it's policing the way different groups are policed in different ways, 1.00

00:07:12.000 whether it's the judicial system, I think there is a strong view

00:07:16.000 that a two-tier approach is emerging.

00:07:19.000 You know, two-tier Keir, people start to talk about.

00:07:22.000 Two-tier Keir is catching on, globalist leader, Keir Starmer, current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

00:07:30.000 Donald Trump is actually, it seems, approaching, acknowledging that there was some problems

00:07:40.000 with Operation Warp Speed and the MRNA program.

00:07:44.000 You hear Donald Trump say about beautiful vaccines, beautiful vaccines, so fast!

00:07:49.000 But now, Trump, it appears, could be about to admit That there was a problem with the vaccine program and maybe even the vaccines themselves.

00:07:56.000 I can see the comments.

00:07:57.000 I know you don't even like calling them that.

00:07:58.000 I was just doing it for experience.

00:08:00.000 Don't call them vaccines.

00:08:01.000 It means they've conquered your mind.

00:08:02.000 mRNA gene therapies.

00:08:04.000 If you watch this on YouTube, we'll be with you for another couple of minutes.

00:08:07.000 Then we'll be speaking to Vivek.

00:08:09.000 Let us know in the comments and the chat what you think about some of Vivek's revelations when it comes to big tech and censorship and consider becoming an awakened wonder.

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00:08:20.000 For example, Russell Brand's stand-up breakdown where I scrutinize, analyze and have fun reflecting on stand-up comedy greats.

00:08:28.000 Doing George Carlin next week.

00:08:30.000 We also do Bible studies and meditations and answer your questions directly.

00:08:34.000 Let's have a look now at Donald Trump Coming close to admitting, and I know a lot of you would like this, that there was something wrong with that medication.

00:08:45.000 On COVID, you frequently say at your rallies and so on that you don't feel like you get enough credit on COVID.

00:08:51.000 But by nearly every assessment, the CDC failed miserably at job one.

00:08:57.000 And yes, the COVID vaccines were developed in record time.

00:08:59.000 But as we now know, they don't prevent infection, illness or transmission.

00:09:03.000 And they have very potentially serious side effects.

00:09:07.000 Do you think that maybe they were approved too fast?

00:09:09.000 And in hindsight, based on what we know now, what would you have done differently?

00:09:13.000 Well, I think they're doing studies on the vaccines and we're going to find out and it'll come out one way or the other.

00:09:20.000 But I really had a mandate to get vaccines done and I got them done very quickly in record time.

00:09:26.000 The Democrats love it.

00:09:28.000 You know, the Democrats love it and the Republicans don't.

00:09:31.000 It's very interesting.

00:09:32.000 The vaccines, they love it.

00:09:34.000 They love it!

00:09:35.000 It's funny, isn't it?

00:09:36.000 Because it did become such a hotly politicized issue, which is odd, really, because that oughtn't be the approach to A medical solution to a problem that did not prevent transmission or ultimately, it appears, hospitalisation and increasingly, it seems, may have contributed to excess deaths.

00:09:57.000 That's something that's just conjecture, obviously, at this point.

00:10:00.000 But certainly, the Yellow Card and VARS events do not look favourable and it's been subsequently established that there are causal links to myocarditis and pericarditis that were potentially known about long before it was published, as well as The impact on menstruating and in the potentially pregnant women.

00:10:18.000 It seems that we are living in a time of great transition when it comes to that subject and in a way I see that as sort of a further evidence of Trump's kind of good faith that he was just trying his hardest to get those mRNA products out there.

00:10:32.000 At least there's going to be a study.

00:10:34.000 Again, let me know in the comments if you agree with this.

00:10:35.000 The Bobby Kennedy inclusion means, doesn't it, that there's going to have to be a reckoning in the event that Trump forms a government in November.

00:10:46.000 I have a friend of mine who said to me, why don't you talk about the vaccine, what you did with the vaccine?

00:10:52.000 He's a democrat, but I'm sure he voted for me.

00:10:55.000 He said, what you did was the most incredible thing that any president has ever done.

00:11:00.000 You've saved hundreds of millions of lives all over the world.

00:11:05.000 And this was just recently.

00:11:06.000 Very smart guy.

00:11:08.000 He said, I don't understand why you don't talk about it.

00:11:11.000 And I don't talk about it.

00:11:12.000 But if you go to Pfizer, if you go to some of these companies, they have charts and they have all sorts of statistics.

00:11:21.000 And I say, why don't you release those statistics?

00:11:24.000 Let people know.

00:11:26.000 But I don't talk about it.

00:11:27.000 I can say this.

00:11:28.000 The Democrats would love to claim it.

00:11:30.000 The Republicans don't want to claim it, but it'll be determined, I'd say, over the next 12 months.

00:11:36.000 I say this in terms of overall.

00:11:39.000 I think I did an amazing job with COVID.

00:11:41.000 I never got the credit for it.

00:11:43.000 Remember that more people died under Biden-Harris than died under Trump.

00:11:49.000 And they had a much easier time because when it came in here, nobody knew what it was.

00:11:53.000 It came from the Wuhan labs, which I always said, but nobody really knew what it was, where it came from, nothing.

00:12:00.000 They knew nothing.

00:12:01.000 Interesting unraveling of a continually captivating story.

00:12:07.000 If we reach the point where Trump says, That was a mistake or it was badly handled or if it's empirically proven, further proven, that there was a net negative impact as a result of those medications and Trump's in government.

00:12:21.000 I wonder if we will see the reckoning that many people have been praying for when it comes to some of the administrative bodies.

00:12:27.000 And administrators as well as billionaire plutocrats that are able to exert incredible influence even from non-governmental positions, from philanthropic positions they call them, across the world.

00:12:38.000 Hopefully we will.

00:12:39.000 But that's just what I think.

00:12:40.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:12:41.000 If you're watching this anywhere other than on Rumble, our home, or if you're not on Awake and Wonder yet, If you're not an Awaken 1DN, there's so many reasons to become one, then you're going to have to click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble now for our conversation with Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:13:01.000 Get over here y'all and join us.

00:13:03.000 It's a really good conversation with Vivek.

00:13:05.000 He's been up on Locals for a week.

00:13:09.000 I was enthralled to hear his perspective on censorship, The cutting down of bureaucracy and the new alliances that are suggested and I believe now for the first time culturally possible when you have figures like Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramaswamy, Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump all aligned or at least in alliance.

00:13:30.000 How can you claim that the bureaucratic centralists who clearly are in the hot and control of globalism, corporatism and institutional powers that don't care about ordinary Americans are anything other A detrimental outcome when it comes to November.

00:13:44.000 Let me know what you think.

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00:13:47.000 Time now for Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:13:49.000 It's a fantastic conversation.

00:13:51.000 I hope you'll enjoy it.

00:13:53.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, thank you for joining me once again on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:13:58.000 Good to be back, man.

00:13:59.000 You must be at some point accepting that you may take on the mantle of soothsayer as well as disruptor with some of your predictions, notably that Biden would drop out of You've been kind of perspicacious, but I suppose you'll say that's just because you were looking at evidence and circumstances rather than trusting intuition.

00:14:24.000 On that basis, I wonder how you see the rest of this campaign going, with one side relying on celebrity endorsements, the other side relying on assassination attempts.

00:14:34.000 What can we look forward to in the next 50-60 days?

00:14:38.000 I think the next 50-60 days could get strange, but I think it's going to be a barometer of the following, Russell.

00:14:46.000 And I'm just, again, following historical facts and evidence, and combine that with a little bit of trained intuition, okay?

00:14:53.000 I think that the more that you see Donald Trump surge in the polls, the more likely there are going to be very unusual and strange things that happen and continue to happen.

00:15:05.000 If that doesn't happen, then I think you won't see as strange of things happen.

00:15:08.000 So I think it's a direct function of what the polling looks like between now and the election.

00:15:13.000 Now, why do I say this?

00:15:15.000 I say this because the evidence supports it.

00:15:17.000 When Donald Trump has surged in the polls, strange things have happened, up to and including the swapping out of his main opponent for this race for the presidency of the United States of America.

00:15:28.000 And other unprecedented things, I mean, of a kind, Russell, that we haven't seen in a generation in this country.

00:15:34.000 One of the things that's most alarming about the assassination attempts, just as a citizen, was watching this.

00:15:41.000 Is the fact that it has become almost normalized in the way that this has been covered.

00:15:46.000 And I think that's the saddest part about this.

00:15:49.000 Just over two months ago was an assassination attempt.

00:15:52.000 As recently as several weeks ago, it was not even talked about really anymore.

00:15:56.000 And then there was the second assassination attempt, and as a matter of days later, it's not really discussed anymore.

00:16:01.000 When these should be exceptional, appalling, rare historical events that'll be in the history books for kids a century from now, and yet forget about a century from now, even days from then, it's almost as though it's forgotten, as though it's not in social media cycle anymore.

00:16:18.000 And I think that type of normalization, that type of anesthetization of our response and instincts, I think bodes poorly where it means that we'll take something even more strange or odd or bizarre in order to actually cause people to halt and say, what the hell is actually going on in this country?

00:16:40.000 And so anyway, that's a deeper psychological malaise in the country that I worry deeply about.

00:16:45.000 But nonetheless, you asked about my prognostications and, you know, I think I think it's gonna be a tight election.

00:16:52.000 Through the end, no doubt about it.

00:16:54.000 At this point in my mind, it's going to stay tight through the end.

00:16:56.000 But if for whatever reason, it looks like, you know, Trump is ascendant clearly and on his way to victory.

00:17:04.000 I just think that the last year and a half has taught us from prosecutions to civil service, civil cases, to attempts to remove him from a ballot without even going through the judicial system, to swapping out his candidacy of those opponent.

00:17:20.000 All the way to even tragic or near tragic events in the last several months.

00:17:25.000 I think we have to brace ourselves for what has been already a really unusual election cycle and could become even more unusual as we head to the election.

00:17:35.000 Thank you.

00:17:35.000 I've just noticed a tendency with our own content that I imagine is close to universal.

00:17:43.000 What I suspect is happening is that legacy media will report on an assassination attempt or an event that could be favourable to the Trump campaign that might engender or inspire sympathy, interest, be a kind of tacit endorsement of anti-establishment credentials.

00:18:01.000 The legacy media will report on it, whether that's the BBC in my country, or MSNBC, or CNN in yours, in a particular way.

00:18:08.000 Like the BBC report began with, Donald Trump is safe and well after an assassination, after a failed assassination.

00:18:16.000 I was like, oh my god, that's so extraordinary!

00:18:17.000 Then, the other component, and this is very recent, is that online spaces, notably Google, are For sure, de-amplifying universally independent media content that's covering your party's campaign.

00:18:34.000 What that will do, of course, initially, is it will mean that the messaging that's somewhat favourable, or at least sympathetic, to the new alliance that's coalescing around you, Trump, Tulsi, Bobby Kennedy, it means fewer people will see, obviously, but secondarily, Independent media content creators are dependent on the revenue.

00:18:58.000 So they will select against making this content, ultimately.

00:19:02.000 When we used to make content on Trump events, we would see spikes, particularly if there was an event.

00:19:09.000 Now they're clearly de-amplifying it.

00:19:11.000 So people will start to make different types of content.

00:19:13.000 It's a cynical little world out there.

00:19:15.000 So that, I see, is a real strangle and choke on this type of content.

00:19:20.000 And I think, Russell, that last point you made, it's actually a really interesting observation.

00:19:24.000 It is a profound point, because I think we worry very much, rightly, about the way human beings at these tech companies are training their AI and their algorithms.

00:19:35.000 But the last step that you just identified is actually the most devious of all.

00:19:39.000 It's the way the AI and the algorithms are actually training the human beings.

00:19:43.000 So the ultimate AI in this is the incentive structure you create for, as you said, independent journalism, content creators, whose revenue models depend on what is or is not amplified or monetized.

00:19:54.000 So in some ways, it's the human beings at the tech companies that have trained the algorithms.

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00:21:20.000 One of the things the tech companies learn, let me just walk through the cascade here.

00:21:24.000 In the last several years, they've learned that actually outright censoring, outright banning, outright locking accounts isn't a good thing for them to do.

00:21:32.000 Not just because it's morally wrong or because it's anti-American or runs against their stated principles of supporting a free internet.

00:21:38.000 Not just for those reasons.

00:21:39.000 But pragmatically, it's a bad idea for them because it creates a level of public ire, potential headlines that later follow, And so they've realized the way to carry out censorship is not through bans, not through terminating accounts.

00:21:53.000 That was the sloppy way they used to do it way back in the stone ages of 2020.

00:21:57.000 The way they do it now is almost exclusively through amplification or suppression of the desired forms of content being amplified, whereas the undesired forms are de-amplified, if not outright censored.

00:22:09.000 It is a form of censorship, but this allows them to call it something other than censorship.

00:22:13.000 Now, then the next step in the cascade is, okay, if they've done it that way, is it human beings doing this?

00:22:18.000 The answer to that question is no, because again, they're too smart for that.

00:22:21.000 Human beings doing it as individuals, that was again back in the Flintstone age of the 2020s.

00:22:26.000 In the postmodern age of 2024, the way they do it is, no, no, it's just the algorithms that do it.

00:22:31.000 Well, how are those algorithms trained?

00:22:33.000 They're trained by the biases set into motion.

00:22:35.000 It's like if the creator launched the Big Bang, we can talk about the existence of God and what the Big Bang has to do with that later.

00:22:44.000 But the analogy here is the creator of those algorithms is actually just a human being that's set into motion, but then watches it do whatever it does for the public to believe is independently.

00:22:54.000 Now that AI has been permanently trained by those biases, what's the final way to close that loop?

00:23:01.000 The entire incentive structure, and capitalism is a form of AI, you could think about it in that context at least.

00:23:06.000 They use the combination of that AI and capitalism, human incentives for people who make money through creating content and distributing it independently, to train them on what types of content they are or aren't aren't supposed to create, not by censoring them anymore, but by training them using the financial incentives of amplification, or or shadow banning and throttling as a backdoor mechanism for now that having solved the problem.

00:23:30.000 So then fast forward four years from now, You don't even need the technology companies to intervene because the system has already been trained on what types of incentives are rewarded for creating what kind of content and what kind of content or information isn't rewarded.

00:23:42.000 And that's exactly what they're playing for.

00:23:43.000 So I thought that was a really astute observation, but I just wanted to take a minute to really break it down because once you see it, you can't unsee it.

00:23:50.000 Part of the reason I still do things like write books.

00:23:53.000 I mean, the reason I wrote this most recent book, I actually talk about some of these very themes of the more covert threats to free speech that are less overt, but in some ways, they're more dangerous.

00:24:05.000 And, you know, in the latest book, I think that was a focus area of mine, because I think this is a hot theme right now, affecting and impacting even potentially the result of this upcoming election.

00:24:16.000 And the more alert we are to it, the less likely it is to actually have its intended effect.

00:24:21.000 I noted that some of the cultural governmental departments and groups that manage AI that were involved in the stories and maneuvering subsequent to the attacks I received personally in September last year were meeting with the Biden and Kamala campaign In your country, recently, it's precisely the manipulation and management of online content, deamplification, forms of shadow banning, populating comments with bots, ensuring that certain stories aren't proliferated, that these organizations engage in.

00:24:57.000 Creating stories that legitimize smears and legitimize censorship seems to be part of the overall playbook, and it's one that's being used I would say profligately during the Covid period, various individuals, Bhattacharya, Pierre, Corey, Robert Malone, anyone, McCulloch, anyone that was outspoken, most notably and famously Joe Rogan.

00:25:22.000 But what we're seeing now is its use in electoral cycles.

00:25:28.000 And what I suppose the end point of it becomes, Vivek, is ontological.

00:25:34.000 It seems like if 10 years ago and it's almost difficult to imagine the alternate universe in the incessant blizzard of data that we all live in.

00:25:42.000 If like figures as distinct as you, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump, Bobby Kennedy were all part of a One political party?

00:25:53.000 You would have to regard that as anti-establishment.

00:25:56.000 In your case I'm referring to your anti-bureaucratic stance.

00:26:00.000 I loved it how on Jordan Peterson you described how you would strip government departments once in office and that was an area of expertise and experience that you'd be able to deploy.

00:26:09.000 Then you think of the experience of environmentalism and medical malpractice that Bobby Kennedy brings, Tulsi Gabbard's military experience.

00:26:18.000 I'm still astonished by say intellectual liberals who some of whom I stay in touch with and I still read their content really to understand what the purview is, are able to say like I saw recently a celebrity endorsement of Kamala Harris saying that if you believe in democracy you have to vote for Kamala Harris because and Tim Walz because of the terrible project 2025.

00:26:41.000 The management like The management of the information sphere is becoming extraordinarily adept and other than outliers like our platform Rumble and Elon Musk's ex, there's a complete management of information that means that something that would, I would say, at the beginning of this campaign, even though you're

00:27:02.000 You know from a capitalist and entrepreneurial and somewhat libertarian, you tell me what you are, perspective it seems like anti-establishment and Bobby Kennedy in the way that I've described is anti-establishment, I would have thought it very unlikely that you guys would be campaigning together.

00:27:17.000 So in a sense doesn't that show that there's an emergent anti-establishment consensus and how can the sort of liberal centrist globalists You know, it's interesting.

00:27:27.000 There's a funny dynamic.

00:27:28.000 I'm enjoying this conversation, Russell, because your insights are spot on here.

00:27:31.000 the page and we've got to fight against this establishment.

00:27:34.000 I don't understand how they can manage it. You know, it's interesting. There's a funny

00:27:38.000 dynamic. I'm enjoying this conversation, Russell, because your insights are spot on

00:27:43.000 here. The only thing I would say is, I don't think you're ever going to see a political party

00:27:47.000 represent that because the nature of being anti-establishment or the nature of having an independent

00:27:52.000 streak is remaining independent, And so, you know, here are things that are true about the likes of some of the people you mentioned from Tulsi, Bobby, myself.

00:28:00.000 We don't agree with 100% of what each other think.

00:28:02.000 We don't agree with 100% of what Donald Trump thinks, and we're not afraid to say it.

00:28:05.000 But actually what we are against is the rise of this managerial class and this machine that in some ways is managing not just the government, unelected bureaucrats managing the government, they're managing every sphere of our lives, right?

00:28:17.000 From corporate America to our universities to nonprofits.

00:28:21.000 It's the bureaucratic class, the committee class, the managerial class that effectively is protecting its own continued existence at the expense of the institution they're supposed to safeguard.

00:28:32.000 And in the government, that's the case of representative democracy.

00:28:35.000 So part of the imbalance here, and what we have going against us, if you will, in an anti-establishment current, is that just by our very nature, we're not wired to form a political party with structure around that current, because create a new establishment, and that would create a new layer of bureaucracy and a managerial class.

00:28:54.000 And that's, in some sense, what we find antipathic.

00:28:57.000 But it's also I think what makes this movement in this moment that much more powerful because I think people across the country and even people who you'd call former liberal intellectuals, some of them at least I think even the others, I hope there's an awakening still yet ahead.

00:29:13.000 You've seen movement where I think people agree in this country that I may not want the policy that some congressman votes for, but I'd still want it to be the people we elect to run the government, for God's sake, to be the ones who actually run the government and make the decisions, rather than somebody who I could never fire at the ballot box.

00:29:30.000 That's just what it means to live in a constitutional republic.

00:29:33.000 It's what it means to live in a representative democracy.

00:29:36.000 I may not agree with a heinous opinion that's expressed on Rumble, or on Facebook, or on X, or on TikTok, But I still believe in the right of the person there to express it, because if I don't, that means that tomorrow it's going to be my opinion that's suppressed when the same shoe fits the other foot.

00:29:55.000 So I think those principles, what we're seeing, what you call anti-establishment, and I think it's a fine word, but There can be different kinds of establishments at different times.

00:30:05.000 I call maybe more of a principles-based rather than a politics or partisan-based, first principles-based movement to say just what are the basic rules of the road, right?

00:30:13.000 We might need to drive different cars on that road.

00:30:15.000 You know, every one of the individuals you mentioned, from Bobby to Tulsi to Donald Trump, we'll spar and disagree, I'll spar and disagree with them on a wide range of topics.

00:30:23.000 Those are like different cars you might ride on the road, okay?

00:30:27.000 But we're not talking about which car you're designing on the road.

00:30:29.000 Right now we're in a moment we're talking about the basic rules of the road itself.

00:30:33.000 And we are deeply aligned on those basic rules of the road.

00:30:36.000 We believe in free speech.

00:30:37.000 We believe in self governance.

00:30:39.000 We believe in merit.

00:30:41.000 We believe in reviving a sense of pride and identity that we're missing.

00:30:45.000 And we're against totalitarian overreach.

00:30:47.000 We're against the culture of censorship.

00:30:50.000 We're against the suppression and silencing of even our own opponents.

00:30:55.000 Those are rules of the road.

00:30:56.000 We're against the assault on religion.

00:30:58.000 Stand for the free exercise of religion.

00:31:00.000 And I think that that's one of those moments.

00:31:02.000 That's part of why I say it's more of a 1776 moment right now.

00:31:07.000 I know you come from the other side of the pond, so with all due respect, you know, in a very American-centric sense, a 1776 moment in our own country where this isn't about, you know, bickering over the tax rate being 1% higher or 1% lower.

00:31:21.000 And, you know, we may have our disagreements between the parties on that.

00:31:25.000 This election isn't about that.

00:31:26.000 It's about the basic rules of the road.

00:31:28.000 And as Orwell once said, the best way to actually control a society is to first control its language.

00:31:35.000 That's what you see from the other side, where they've owned the message of protecting our democracy.

00:31:40.000 We think about what's a threat to democracy?

00:31:42.000 A threat to democracy is telling your political opponents they can't speak.

00:31:45.000 A threat to democracy is saying that the people who run the government aren't actually the ones who we elect to run the government, aren't the ones who run the government.

00:31:52.000 There's no doubt in anybody's mind that Joe Biden is not, in any sense, running as the President of the United States today.

00:31:57.000 He's not functioning as the President of the United States today.

00:31:59.000 Nobody in America believes that he is, and yet we hold out this artifice that he's actually the U.S.

00:32:03.000 President.

00:32:04.000 So those, I think, represent real threats to democracy, not the histrionics that we hear Part of the problem is, you know, we as human beings, we always do.

00:32:13.000 We always have.

00:32:14.000 It's our nature.

00:32:15.000 We fall for narratives that are sold to us.

00:32:18.000 But there's also a part of us that hungers to rebel against those narratives.

00:32:22.000 And so this anti-establishment current that you're describing, our duty, our job right now is to awaken the side of each of us.

00:32:29.000 That wants to reject what we're force fed rather than just swallowing it.

00:32:33.000 And every human being, every one of us has both impulses in us.

00:32:37.000 The question of the leaders of this new movement is how are we going to awaken the rebellious instincts at a moment where the future of our country depends on it?

00:32:45.000 And that's what I'm trying to do my best on in the next few weeks and months left.

00:32:50.000 To your point on Orwellianism and the capture of language, I was speaking with Michael Schellenberger yesterday and he said that one of the ways I think it was X was being condemned with regard to possibly the election or possibly COVID.

00:33:08.000 X was being condemned for its aggressive neutrality.

00:33:11.000 I thought, wow!

00:33:12.000 Aggressive neutrality.

00:33:14.000 That would not even work linguistically.

00:33:17.000 Just a little while ago, the world is changing fast.

00:33:20.000 Two current stories that give us an indication that institutional power is maneuvering In ways that perhaps have a history but certainly seem to be somewhat modern phenomena, to me at least, is the whistleblowers over ABC claiming that Kamala was given the questions in advance and that that debate was to some significant degree stage managed.

00:33:48.000 And if you add to that the endorsement of a couple of hundred former Bush staffers and the So welcome embrace of the Cheney family endorsements by Kamala.

00:33:58.000 Do you see that, you know, for me that shows you that there are sort of ulterior currents that are moving beyond the livery of what was once assumed to be bipartisan American politics, i.e.

00:34:11.000 if the Cheneys, who were once the antipathy of Democrat Party politics when they were being condemned for the, what should be illegal, Gulf War, And now the endorsement is now welcomed. 0.98

00:34:25.000 And if the debates can be so incredibly well managed, is that an indicator of where real power is, Vivek?

00:34:34.000 Can we start to detect The outline, at least, of the sort of real body politic that is being preserved and respected and how its power is visible in the movements of famous families, in the way that debates are conducted in apparently neutral circumstances, in addition to what we've talked about already, the Orwellian capture of language evident in a phrase like aggressive neutrality, a kind of neutrality that didn't seem to be present in those debates, for example.

00:35:02.000 Yeah, so look, I think that again, you're hitting on one of the core political realignments underway here in the country.

00:35:09.000 You talk about where the power center is and what's going on.

00:35:11.000 Let me talk about the political realignment aspect of this and then we'll come back to the media part in a bit.

00:35:16.000 And the political part of this, the Cheney family, both Dick and Liz Cheney hitting for Kamala Harris, is actually an embodiment of the same type of defecting Democrats who are going for Donald Trump.

00:35:26.000 The realignment going on is this.

00:35:28.000 Back in the 2000s, when Dick Cheney was enemy number one of the Democratic Party, The kinds of issues they wanted to argue about were substantive issues ranging from what should abortion policy be to, at that point, a GOP that wanted to engage in foreign interventionism, which by the way, I opposed at the time as well.

00:35:47.000 I was in college, but the Iraq war, we want to go fight foreign wars. 0.90

00:35:50.000 We, you know, have strong pro-cultural federal policies that we would implement here.

00:35:56.000 I think there was a strong cultural divide on those kinds of issues.

00:36:01.000 Okay.

00:36:02.000 What's happened right now is really interesting.

00:36:04.000 Demonize the likes of George Bush and Dick Cheney for their strong pro-life, anti-gay marriage views, etc.

00:36:12.000 What do you get now is you get a Republican Party that the Democrats from back then would have only wished for.

00:36:18.000 In the policy views of Republicans.

00:36:21.000 Right now, Donald Trump, I mean, the Republican Party today has no opposition to gay marriage.

00:36:26.000 It is opposed to a federal ban on abortion.

00:36:29.000 It does believe it should be a state's right to choose a pro-life view, but no federal ban on abortion, no federal or state constraints on gay marriage.

00:36:36.000 And so it's precisely when supposedly the evil views of the Republican Party no longer are the actual part of the policy platform of the

00:36:44.000 Republican Party, that they've now resorted to other histrionics, where the

00:36:48.000 political field has now realigned itself.

00:36:49.000 What they now want is actually the people who just want government to retain control, period.

00:36:55.000 Right?

00:36:55.000 The Dick Cheneys of the world, but also the Kamala Harris and the Joe Bidens of the world said, OK, we might disagree on some of those other cultural questions, but we do agree that people can't be permitted to speak or express their opinions.

00:37:05.000 We do agree that the government needs to be able to surveil everyday citizens to make sure that they're not expressing those opinions and causing wreaking havoc or danger.

00:37:12.000 We do believe in the importance of the United States meddling and interfering in random countries affairs, even when they don't advance the interest of the United States, as long as it actually enhances the power structure of the people who are doing the meddling.

00:37:24.000 That actually is a deep alignment between the Kamala Harris, Joe Biden wing of the Democratic Party and the Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney wing of the Republican Party.

00:37:33.000 So that's an alliance that actually runs deeper than what was their former antipathy on issues relating to gay marriage abortion.

00:37:40.000 Meanwhile, you got Donald Trump leading a Republican Party right now that has opposition to a federal ban on abortion.

00:37:47.000 The Republican Party does not favor, under Donald Trump, a ban on abortion, a federal ban on abortion.

00:37:52.000 That was also my position during the presidential campaign, by the way.

00:37:55.000 And you also have a party that's completely open to same-sex marriage, to really the kinds of freedoms that many libertarians would at least appreciate.

00:38:03.000 Yet what we are committed to is actually a view that says we can express our opinions freely, that we don't want that surveillance state, and we don't want the United States creating or aiding and abetting foreign conflicts that don't advance American interests.

00:38:17.000 That's a deep realignment that's going on.

00:38:19.000 And so in some sense, I got pushback after the debate.

00:38:22.000 I was in the spin room and I was pointing to all the Democrats defecting from the Democrat Party, coming over to Trump.

00:38:27.000 They said, but the same thing's happening the other direction.

00:38:28.000 Do you see Republicans defecting to go for Kamala Harris?

00:38:32.000 That almost proves the point about the deeper realignment that's going on in the country.

00:38:36.000 And I think we'll look back 10 or 20 or 30 years from now as this is a significant, significant catalyst in American history and the history of American politics for the kind of principles-based realignment that we haven't seen in a long time.

00:38:52.000 When you say about, you list the various authoritarian aspects of the current Democratic Party and the new tectonically shifting alignments that appear to be taking place, I'm minded of an idea that was recently described to me of how social democracies more easily move towards totalitarianism Then the ideologically explicit forms of centralized control of the last century, Soviet Communism, National Socialism, Fascism, that social democracy in its increasing regulatory capacity is moving towards a totalitarianism that's unprecedented simply because no

00:39:38.000 Well, I suppose communism had goals towards global control, so did National Socialism, but it was not likely to be implemented without sort of extreme military endeavor.

00:39:49.000 Now, there's an ideological capture that you see taking place in sort of bizarre outlier events, like whether it's the Olympic opening ceremony or more observable economic phenomena like agricultural control and attempt to centralize land ownership and food production.

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00:41:29.000 I wonder, Vivek, How your opponents will be able to continue to say that Project 2025 and the idea that there is some kind of a handmaid's tale style Christian patriarchy or mass authoritarianism leading to mass deportation

00:41:55.000 Control over women's reproductive rights, winding back the clock. 1.00

00:42:00.000 When it seems now, to me, sort of evident, just because of legislation, because of public rhetoric, because of the increasing of surveillance, that the greater threat is this bureaucratic technological feudalism, rather than militaristic, patriarchal, old school, strongman, 2025 stuff.

00:42:19.000 I wonder how these arguments are going to be rebutted, and I wonder what your position is on something like 2025, and if you can give us some insight on why social democracy tends towards totalitarianism.

00:42:34.000 Yeah, look, I think that, well, there's a deep philosophical reason, I think, why social democracy tends to lead to totalitarianism.

00:42:41.000 But let me say a word about even just the, you talk about Project 2025, let's talk about Project 2050, which is effectively what the Great Reset, on a global scale, is really all about.

00:42:52.000 And you want to know one of the vectors that they're using to achieve that, not as some theoretical policy construct, it's constraining people today, is the climate change agenda.

00:43:01.000 This is, A third rail you're not supposed to touch.

00:43:04.000 I actually, in the book, the book's coming out, the book that's out this week, this is a core topic that I hit, Russell, because this is a third rail where if you veer even from factual terrain to miss some sort of fact here or there, you're done.

00:43:20.000 So in the chapter in the book that I actually put the most factual layers of confirmation, reconfirmation, had people steel man it, red team it from every side, was this chapter.

00:43:33.000 Because this is really the vehicle that they're using to create a global governance structure of totalitarianism, not even limited to the United States of America.

00:43:42.000 Limiting the way that we live our lives, flogging ourselves for the modern way of life and the success of the West, while completely failing To apply those same shackles or standards to places like China. 0.78

00:43:53.000 Anyway, back to your point.

00:43:54.000 This is the vision of the Great Reset.

00:43:55.000 You don't have to call it Project 2025 or Project 2050.

00:43:57.000 They call it Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum vision is to call it the Great Reset.

00:44:03.000 The dissolving of barriers between the public sector and the private sector to accomplish what neither could on its own.

00:44:10.000 The dissolving of boundaries between nations to combat shared global challenges that either nation could not combat on its own.

00:44:17.000 You saw a bit of this in the rise of the global response to the COVID-19 pandemic, but that really just laid the groundwork.

00:44:24.000 They lost the excuse once the virus had mostly dissipated and they tried to cling on to it for as long as they could.

00:44:31.000 But it really laid the groundwork for now doing that at a larger and more lasting scale.

00:44:35.000 Well, one of the answers is that people have an inherent nature in us, all of us do, to at times behave like sheep, right?

00:44:40.000 In some sense, we want to bend the knee to something.

00:44:42.000 up out of the lull that they lull you into? Why does social democracy lead to totalitarianism?

00:44:47.000 Well, one of the answers that people have an inherent nature in us, all of us do,

00:44:51.000 to at times behave like sheep, right? In some sense, we want to bend the knee to something.

00:44:55.000 It's part of human nature. But there's also a rebellious side of us that doesn't. But I think

00:45:00.000 the reason that they're able to do it is they lull you into submission by appealing to the part of

00:45:04.000 your human nature that wants to bend the knee, especially at a time when you don't believe in

00:45:08.000 God or where you've seen the recession of faith, which I do think is a deeper undercurrent in all

00:45:13.000 When you stop believing in true God, you start believing in false gods instead.

00:45:18.000 That also greases the wheels, and it's times in loss of faith and the recession of religion that you do see that trend from social democracy to totalitarianism accelerate.

00:45:27.000 Also, a theme that's deep and central to the book that I wrote.

00:45:32.000 The first two chapters are about the revival of faith and the rise of the climate religion.

00:45:36.000 These two things are deeply, inextricably intertwined for how we're able to create this new type of global technocracy.

00:45:42.000 But anyway, the reality of how we combat it, I think, is twofold as well.

00:45:47.000 One is you've got to see it for what it is, use the tools of representative democracy to fight and push back.

00:45:52.000 That's what I think this election's about.

00:45:53.000 You've got to fight based on the facts through free speech and open debate.

00:45:57.000 We're not playing on an even playing field, which means we have to hold ourselves to an even higher standard in those arguments about climate change policy or otherwise.

00:46:04.000 It's one of the things I've tried to do in the book.

00:46:07.000 But I also think there's a deeper, deeper cultural fix we need, which is the revival of true belief and conviction in things that are bigger than ourselves.

00:46:18.000 The revival of faith and patriotism and belief in your nation without apologizing for it.

00:46:24.000 And the family as a grounding institution of your own identity.

00:46:28.000 Those I think will actually have greater power to awaken the side of us that gives us the self-confidence to stand back.

00:46:35.000 But when we lose our identity grounded in our family, when we lose our sense of faith or belief in a higher power, when we lose our sense of conviction in our nation and allegiance to our nation, then we no longer have the individual fortitude to be able to push back against the otherwise inevitable march to this type of soft tyranny.

00:46:55.000 And I do think that that's a part of the solution that sometimes we skip over, we forget, we remember what we're fighting against, but we often forget what we're fighting for.

00:47:06.000 And I do think that we as human beings require that grounding forms of all identity that even in our anti-establishment movement, even the modern conservative movement in America, it's important that we not forget those deeper grounding institutions and values of individual family, nation, and God that give us the possibility of having the fortitude of actually standing up against the otherwise inevitable march of the global Great Reset, the march to domestic totalitarianism in the United States.

00:47:35.000 And I think that's an important part of the equation that we sometimes risk skipping over.

00:47:40.000 It can't be a coincidence that there is this sense of ongoing bewilderment, whether it's the inundation of continual information, mocking and extraordinary ceremonies, the continual attempt to nominate all of us, primarily as consumers, above all else, the individual, in an extraordinary way, there are some odd contradictions here, but to make the individual a kind of personal Deity, that myself and my identity is the apex, what I want, what I feel, you know, that is by definition limiting your tribal, familial, national, religious identity, preventing you from attaining a sort of a sense of transcendence, a sense of purpose derived from anything other than this is what I want, this is what I consume, this is who I have sex with, that should be the summit of how we regard ourselves.

00:48:32.000 Listening to Vivek, though, what seems interesting is that the pathway to this kind of globalism that requires to achieve its ultimate goals, a kind of nihilism, that people don't believe in family or nation or individual or respect or God or these kind of values, it seems that the pathway, the tracks at least, may have been laying By economic and corporate requirement in in the attempt to create integrated free global free markets a type of a kind of infrastructure has been wrought and brought about meaning that people can

00:49:08.000 Trade and they can mine in this country and transport commodity here that it's just normalized that food is shipped around everywhere to have the availability of food.

00:49:16.000 And now what seems to be happening is having, having been created to facilitate the economic elites that are no longer as powerful as they once were because of the way that our economies have changed, the way that our culture has changed because of the advance of technology for but one thing.

00:49:31.000 It seems that an ideology is being lacquered on top of this.

00:49:35.000 Do you see that part of what has led us here has been the right to consume?

00:49:41.000 The right to make money?

00:49:43.000 Do you see that, do you agree that in some way free market capitalism has led us to this point?

00:49:50.000 Or do you think it's more complicated than that and it's something to do with the state's relationship with certain aspects of capitalism?

00:49:56.000 Well, I think so.

00:49:58.000 I'm not an anti-capitalist in any sense.

00:49:59.000 I'm a pro-capitalist, actually.

00:50:01.000 And I'm not anti-trade.

00:50:02.000 I'm pro-trade.

00:50:03.000 I don't believe in relying on adversaries like China for our modern way of life. 0.93

00:50:08.000 But here's what I will observe, Russell.

00:50:09.000 And this is why, though most of my policies tend to be highly libertarian in nature, I don't call myself that.

00:50:18.000 I don't limit myself to that label because I also care deeply about virtue.

00:50:22.000 And I think that Virtue is upstream of capitalism.

00:50:28.000 I don't think capitalism produces virtue.

00:50:30.000 I think virtue is a precondition for capitalism to achieve a flourishing society.

00:50:35.000 This gets a little bit philosophical fast, but you asked it, so let's at least touch on it briefly.

00:50:42.000 We can take different cracks at how we might describe virtue, right?

00:50:50.000 The daylight, however small that crack of daylight may be, between what you want and what you need, okay?

00:50:58.000 Let's just say if that daylight were zero, capitalism would be the perfect system for organizing a society's affairs.

00:51:05.000 Not only the least imperfect system would be the perfect system, if what we really wanted as human beings matched what we really needed.

00:51:12.000 To the extent that there's a delta between the two, there I think actually is where you see the failures of capitalism.

00:51:18.000 It wasn't a failure of capitalism.

00:51:20.000 It was a failure of underlying virtue that was just amplified by, you know, and even exposed by capitalism.

00:51:27.000 So it's not the system that I blame so much as the loss of that upstream virtue in the first place.

00:51:31.000 How do we close that gap between what we want and what we need?

00:51:34.000 It's grounding ourselves in the true things that come from outside of the world of capitalism or commerce and come from the revival of True faith, understanding our relationship, reconciling man's existence with his creator or supreme being.

00:51:47.000 That's a difficult thing for one to reconcile.

00:51:50.000 That is the ultimate pinnacle of the human experience in being able to do so, right?

00:51:55.000 And that's the call of every major world religion in its own different way, attempting to answer that question.

00:52:01.000 Grounding yourself in the family.

00:52:03.000 Every one of us is brought into this world by two parents, mother and father.

00:52:07.000 You know, you could say what you will.

00:52:08.000 The nuclear family, I do believe, is still the greatest form of governance we have known to mankind.

00:52:13.000 The decimation of the importance of that institution, I think, erodes that sense of identity that grounds us.

00:52:19.000 Same thing with respect to the erosion of hard work or pride in what I create in the world.

00:52:24.000 The erosion of national identity, that I'm not a citizen of this nation that I was once proud of, but I'm a nebulous citizen vaguely fighting climate change somewhere.

00:52:32.000 We're like blind bats lost in a cave, right?

00:52:35.000 We're blind in some sense of moral sense of the word.

00:52:38.000 We send out these signals through echolocation or sonar that bounce off a wall and it comes back and tells us, this is where I am.

00:52:46.000 That's what my religion does.

00:52:47.000 That's what my family does.

00:52:48.000 That's what my belief in my nation does.

00:52:51.000 These are grounding pillars that help us relocate our identity in that cave.

00:52:58.000 And I think that right now, I mean, this is I think I'm probably inadvertently drawing from Plato here.

00:53:04.000 We're lost in that cave, sending out these signals and then nothing actually bounces back.

00:53:10.000 So I don't blame capitalism for that.

00:53:11.000 Could it exacerbate it?

00:53:12.000 Could the amplification of modern digitized social media amplified capitalism exacerbate that?

00:53:18.000 Yes, but that is the symptom, not the deeper root cause.

00:53:22.000 And the reason I don't call myself just a libertarian is all we want is the state getting out of our affairs.

00:53:25.000 Well then what then?

00:53:27.000 What do we do then?

00:53:27.000 That matters to me too.

00:53:29.000 I think that we require preconditions of virtue to actually flourish.

00:53:33.000 But let's do the hard work of reviving those virtues, reviving those grounding institutions and beliefs that are precedent conditions for capitalism.

00:53:43.000 But then we don't need to complain about the fact that, okay, some guy has more green pieces of paper than the others.

00:53:47.000 So what?

00:53:48.000 It wasn't an important part of our grounding identity in the first place, and we wouldn't have been so susceptible to allow our base human instincts to respond to that in the way that we do if we were sufficiently well grounded and based in our own principles in the first place.

00:54:03.000 So, a little bit abstract and philosophical there.

00:54:05.000 A lot of that I hope it comes through in this book I've written, Russell, as I missed during the presidential campaign.

00:54:13.000 You're going 24-7, and I did it on steroids in some way.

00:54:19.000 Too much, actually, in terms of just going to the mat.

00:54:21.000 Nine states in seven days, leading up to the debate, non-stop.

00:54:25.000 One of the things I probably should have done more of was just build in time to step back and just reflect and think.

00:54:32.000 One of the ways I do that is through writing.

00:54:34.000 I didn't do a lot of writing during the campaign because you're running in a million different directions.

00:54:38.000 So after I left the campaign in January, that was one of the first things I did is took out my notebook and just started writing.

00:54:45.000 And I said, okay, it's a book.

00:54:46.000 It's a book.

00:54:46.000 I don't care.

00:54:47.000 It'll be a book that nobody reads.

00:54:49.000 I'm fine with that too.

00:54:50.000 But I'm going to put this on paper, at least for myself.

00:54:53.000 And then, you know, eventually that I said, Okay, we might as well put some of this out and it got a little bit more structured form.

00:54:58.000 And that was, that was the genesis of this book.

00:55:01.000 But for me, it was certainly a clarifying year to have that distance from the campaign to be able to relocate some of the why that you sometimes you're in the when you're in the horse race of a partisan political race.

00:55:16.000 If you write with anything like the insight with which you communicate, and if you're half as articulate, it will be a fantastic book indeed.

00:55:23.000 Truths, the Future of America First, Vivek Ramaswamy's book is out now.

00:55:29.000 There's a link in the description and maybe we can get a few of them Vivek to give away on the basis of some competition.

00:55:35.000 It's certainly a book I'll be interested to read.

00:55:38.000 On the point of the campaign, I remember seeing you at different junctures, very near the beginning, full of ebullience and enthusiasm.

00:55:46.000 Oh, you never looked anything less than, I'm not saying you were diminished, but I remember seeing you one day in a flight jacket, and I feel like there was a lot of Nikki Haley stuff going on, and I felt like, wow, this looks like a real odyssey that you've gone on, you know, like the stuff you've said about CIA, media.

00:56:09.000 It was an odyssey.

00:56:10.000 It was eye-opening.

00:56:11.000 It's one of those things that you could never learn it from a book.

00:56:14.000 You could never learn it from somebody else telling you about it.

00:56:16.000 You're only going to learn it by doing it.

00:56:19.000 A million lessons, a humbling process in many ways, and one that I learned an immense amount from.

00:56:26.000 I was the youngest person ever to run for U.S.

00:56:27.000 President, certainly as a Republican.

00:56:29.000 I know that for a fact.

00:56:31.000 And you know what?

00:56:32.000 As a young person, I couldn't have taken more away from an experience than I did from that one.

00:56:37.000 A lot that if I was to embark on a journey like that again, that I would learn from and probably do differently for the better.

00:56:44.000 But I think that's life.

00:56:46.000 That's the human experience.

00:56:47.000 You do your best.

00:56:48.000 You learn from it.

00:56:50.000 You're willing to, you know, you got to be willing to at least reflect on the experience and think about how you're going to improve and have an impact.

00:56:58.000 And whatever I do next, it's going to be guided by the same Spirit that led me to the start of the campaign, which is that I'm grateful to this country.

00:57:06.000 I want to do what I can to revive it.

00:57:09.000 There's only so much we can do through the private sector, though I've enjoyed getting back to the private sector this year.

00:57:13.000 I enjoyed writing this book.

00:57:15.000 I hope a lot of people read it.

00:57:18.000 There's financial gains.

00:57:20.000 Books aren't the way to do it, but I think getting a message out, I hope is.

00:57:24.000 Beats cable news, television, two-minute interviews.

00:57:26.000 I like long-form discussions like the one that you and I have.

00:57:29.000 And whatever I do next, I'm hopefully going to pick something that has the maximal positive impact on our country.

00:57:35.000 That's my goal and my obligation as a citizen and in some ways as a father of two sons who are going to grow up in this country, too.

00:57:42.000 And so I enjoy our conversations every time, my man.

00:57:44.000 And thanks for taking an interest.

00:57:46.000 And tell me what you think of the book after you read it.

00:57:49.000 I will do.

00:57:50.000 Thanks, Vivek.

00:57:50.000 Thanks very much.

00:57:51.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:57:52.000 I'm coming to your country for a few months, so we'll get to hopefully I'm doing Tucker's thing.

00:57:59.000 I'm doing that Rescue the West.

00:58:01.000 So hopefully we'll get an opportunity to spend some time together in person again.

00:58:05.000 I would love that.

00:58:06.000 I would love it.

00:58:06.000 Thanks, man.

00:58:07.000 I'll give you a text.

00:58:08.000 Cheers, Vivek.

00:58:08.000 Thanks, man.

00:58:09.000 Thank you, guys.

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00:58:58.000 What we've experienced is a globally deployed psychological bioterrorism playbook.

00:59:07.000 It's well developed.

00:59:08.000 And then I started to see just global propaganda directed at essentially distorting, dismissing and suppressing the evidence of efficacy and I saw it as a crime.

00:59:20.000 And at that point, I knew that this was not just a coincidence.

00:59:26.000 There were too many black swans over too short a period.

00:59:30.000 I've never heard anything like this story in my life.

00:59:34.000 They seem to get the human psyche so well when it comes to brainwashing us and propagandizing us to the direction that they want us to go in, that you would think that they would know that pulling all of these various tactics would actually just push support towards Trump, not away from him.

00:59:48.000 Ryan Ruth, some of his posts even show that he appeared to have been working with, in his own words, the U.S.

00:59:53.000 Embassy in Kiev.

00:59:55.000 He's doing effectively military intelligence, human trafficking of terrorists, It's in this context that I think Ruth was kind of radicalized.

01:00:04.000 He decided that while he wanted to assassinate Putin, the easier thing would be to assassinate Donald Trump.

01:00:23.000 Man, he's switching. 0.97

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