Stay Free - Russel Brand - Tate & Tucker GONE VIRAL! | What It REALLY Means… - #166 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 don't know why i played this so much i should probably stop

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00:00:15.000 anyways....

00:00:17.000 i should probably stop In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:51.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:00:53.000 Thanks for joining us for Stay Free with Russell Brand in a week that will surely go down in history, just because they all do.

00:00:59.000 I think that's how they do history.

00:01:00.000 They've got to keep a record of it.

00:01:01.000 It's part of their job, isn't it?

00:01:02.000 They archive it.

00:01:03.000 They archive it.

00:01:04.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be here on your channel, you Awakened Wonders, for about 15 minutes before slinking off.

00:01:11.000 all wry and sly to rumble the home of free speech. Why?

00:01:16.000 Because we'll be talking about Jordan Peterson versus YouTube, we'll be delving into the

00:01:20.000 Tucker and Tate-tate-tate as I'm calling it lately, and we'll be having a real in-depth look

00:01:25.000 at the current social media ban that the White House, through the...

00:01:30.000 through the Department of Justice are demanding.

00:01:32.000 But do you want to be censored?

00:01:34.000 Do you need censorship? 1.00

00:01:35.000 Are you too stupid to decide for yourself what your own moral center might look like? 1.00

00:01:41.000 And what authority structures could you ever trust? 1.00

00:01:43.000 Particularly when you see these goons all lining up for a photograph. 1.00

00:01:47.000 Did you see that there's the NATO, what's it called, Vilnius?

00:01:50.000 They discuss how well this war's not going with when we're supporting Russia.

00:01:54.000 I mean Ukraine, I mean Russia, I mean Ukraine, I mean Iraq. 0.97

00:01:57.000 Ah, sorry, it is confusing.

00:02:00.000 So here they are doing the NATO family photo and it's such a festival of awkwardness.

00:02:07.000 Although I will say Joe Biden doesn't stand out as particularly in it.

00:02:11.000 He does pretty well actually.

00:02:12.000 Yeah he does, he sort of stays with the herd but they should of and I think in our country we go cheese!

00:02:19.000 That's what we do in Britain.

00:02:20.000 I don't know what you do in America, like maybe you sort of choose something.

00:02:22.000 What do you lot say in a photograph to sort of create a moment?

00:02:25.000 Because a photograph is an acknowledgement of a unified place and moment in time.

00:02:31.000 For this moment, we are NATO.

00:02:34.000 Look at them standing here all shifty and feckless.

00:02:36.000 Let's have a look at the footage.

00:02:38.000 That's our one.

00:02:51.000 That guy's there next to Biden.

00:02:53.000 Then there's this poor, glum character.

00:02:55.000 Are you surprised about how few of them you know there are?

00:02:57.000 Well, yeah, but I tell you what, that stage is having to get bigger and bigger every year, isn't it?

00:03:01.000 Right, another one in NATO!

00:03:02.000 You made a deal!

00:03:03.000 You told us no more people!

00:03:05.000 Come on, another person you're in NATO!

00:03:07.000 I don't even have a country!

00:03:08.000 Ah, come on! 0.96

00:03:10.000 Illinois, Russia!

00:03:11.000 Game on!

00:03:11.000 Join us!

00:03:12.000 But I am from Russia!

00:03:14.000 Now you can come in!

00:03:14.000 Come and join us!

00:03:15.000 You'll love this!

00:03:18.000 Your Excellencies, for the family photo, we would invite you to look at the central camera for eight seconds.

00:03:27.000 His face, he touched his face. 0.98

00:03:29.000 Nervous, liar. 0.97

00:03:30.000 Where was, did you see Trudeau? 0.99

00:03:31.000 Yeah, Trudeau was on the end.

00:03:33.000 Was he?

00:03:33.000 He won't like that.

00:03:34.000 He won't like that Trudeau.

00:03:35.000 He sees himself very much at the centre, Denny Trudeau.

00:03:38.000 Which would you recognise?

00:03:39.000 Tell us in the chat who you recognise.

00:03:41.000 Press the red button on the screen and let us know which ones you know.

00:03:46.000 Thank you.

00:03:47.000 Macron. Is that Macron? He's annoyed. I'm annoyed by all of them. Just by looking at them.

00:03:51.000 Look at Alwyn trying too hard. Alwyn's Rishi Sunak, Giza, Red Tire at the front.

00:03:55.000 We should turn this into a game of Guess Who?

00:03:57.000 Guess Who's in charge of what? Click, click, click, click, click, click, click.

00:04:00.000 You're going down, you're going down. Is your 1C now?

00:04:03.000 Yep. Down you go.

00:04:06.000 Does your one have strong affiliations with the WEF?

00:04:08.000 Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, Let's have a look at the rest of these nerds.

00:04:36.000 No, they just all wander off.

00:04:44.000 They all just wander off like a cluster of Bidens. 0.99

00:04:47.000 That's the real cluster bomb, this little cluster F word.

00:04:50.000 Got those cluster bombs to work out, haven't they? 0.65

00:04:51.000 Got a few deals to do.

00:04:53.000 Right, how are we going to justify that a couple of years ago, or a year ago in fact, we said that if Russia used cluster bombs they would be criminals and now we're going to sell Ukraine cluster bombs because it's necessary and we've got no choice. 0.79

00:05:07.000 How do they do that?

00:05:08.000 Blinken says Ukraine would be defenceless.

00:05:11.000 Without cluster bombs.

00:05:12.000 I suppose the only way you can justify a cluster bomb is by saying that to not have cluster bombs would be worse than having them.

00:05:18.000 No matter how bad something is, if not having it will be worse, then you've almost got no choice to do it.

00:05:23.000 This is the Orwellian, neuro-linguistic programming, hypnotic state that we're being invited to live in.

00:05:30.000 Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Tuesday defended Biden administration's decision to arm Ukraine We've widely banned cluster munitions, which have a devastating impact on civilians.

00:05:41.000 The US is providing Ukraine with cluster munitions in the form of 155mm artillery shells.

00:05:46.000 Blinken said, without the cluster bombs, Ukraine would be defenceless because the US and NATO are running out of regular ammunition.

00:05:53.000 Didn't you think about this?

00:05:54.000 I'll tell you what happened there.

00:05:56.000 I'll tell you what you've done.

00:05:57.000 You've gone to war with Russia.

00:05:59.000 Russia who don't lose wars because Russia are Dangerous, mad, hard people that just go on and on and on as Napoleon found out, as Hitler found out, and as NATO, excuse me, sorry, Ukraine. 0.95

00:06:12.000 Listen, of course it's been a criminal invasion. 0.93

00:06:14.000 The slaughter of Ukrainian people in this ludicrous counter-offensive ought to be ended at once.

00:06:20.000 I'm not a military expert, but I listen to people who are, like Jeffrey Sachs, who told me that this is what was going to happen, told us the reasons why it happened, infringement on former NATO territories, and while then Then big quads are standing around at NATO, blinking at the camera, staring for eight seconds.

00:06:36.000 People are dying at a rate of a thousand a day.

00:06:38.000 Exactly that.

00:06:39.000 And this is like candid admission that this is not sustainable, that this war isn't sustainable.

00:06:43.000 But then when you have Joe Biden saying, we'll keep backing you for as long as it takes, and then last month Anthony Blinken, the same person, dismissing calls for a ceasefire, saying the US will focus its efforts on arming Ukraine and not attempting to bring the war to a negotiated settlement.

00:06:58.000 Then you're like, well, hang on, what is it?

00:06:59.000 Is it that we need to keep supplying these war criminal weaponry because they're running out of ammunition? 0.74

00:07:05.000 Or is it we're just going to keep doing this for as long as it takes to annihilate Everyone?

00:07:10.000 Do you remember when Trump did the CNN town hall that they immediately regretted doing and the interviewer kept pushing him to say, who do you want to win?

00:07:18.000 Who do you want to win?

00:07:19.000 What?

00:07:20.000 Is this a schoolyard scrap or is this a geopolitical conflict which could take us to a nuclear war?

00:07:25.000 And what did Trump keep saying?

00:07:26.000 Trump kept saying, I just want the war to stop.

00:07:28.000 I want people to stop dying.

00:07:29.000 I watched that clip again recently and I thought, wow, like a little while ago, if this was a verified figure of the liberal establishment, like if that was Obama saying that, You'd go, of course, of course, that's the issue.

00:07:42.000 Of course, that's the issue.

00:07:43.000 Well, they would have had a stunning ovation as well.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, right.

00:07:46.000 Hey, I have another Nobel Peace Prize.

00:07:48.000 Go on, get that down there. 0.74

00:07:49.000 Go and give the Yemen a good drubbing from the sky, for God's sake. 1.00

00:07:52.000 It's outrageous.

00:07:53.000 It's got out of control.

00:07:55.000 Like, later this week, we're speaking to the Sound of Freedom people, and we've reached the point where cluster bombs are good one minute, bad the next minute.

00:08:03.000 The cluster bomb, how do you know if it's good or bad?

00:08:05.000 It depends who it's blowing up.

00:08:06.000 It's become difficult to know what the truth is.

00:08:09.000 It's become difficult to sustain one central cultural space.

00:08:12.000 A film like Sound of Freedom, criticised because of QAnon affiliations, but there's nothing about QAnon in the film.

00:08:19.000 This is something I'll be discussing with an interview that you'll see soon between me and Saga and Jetty that you'll enjoy.

00:08:25.000 And also, if you're gonna criticise a film for its affiliations, for the people that are involved in either starring in it or making it, then you're gonna have to do a lot of examining of people in Hollywood.

00:08:35.000 Hey, these Miramax movies don't look so good after the Weinstein revelations.

00:08:40.000 What about American Sniper?

00:08:42.000 Which was like, you know, as the brilliant Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle said, was Star Wars from the perspective of a stormtrooper.

00:08:50.000 A really difficult time and I suppose that this is something we have to look at as well.

00:08:55.000 After our, we're going to call it a world exclusive, groundbreaking interview with Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson has released his conversation with Andrew Tate and again I suppose this is one of those conversations that brings censorship To the fore!

00:09:09.000 Where do you stand on this?

00:09:11.000 Where do you stand on the subject of Andrew Tate?

00:09:13.000 I guess you're going to find some people that think that he's a sort of a vital and invigorating voice in the culture war space, and some people that think they don't like Andrew Tate, and particularly with these outstanding allegations.

00:09:25.000 I suppose these are part of the conversation, but until there's a Judicial conclusion around those matters.

00:09:31.000 I suppose these are something where views have to be suspended Maximum Titus 444 says she don't align with his views blessed old bird says he's a bit rude But we had a look at some aspects of the conversation and it seems to me like these are the kind of conversations that culture has an obligation to have how are we going to progress without I think the thing is as well is actually one of the things he does mention in this interview with Tucker is how the culture war has been used and I think that's something we can all agree on that these matters are used in a way to keep us distracted and talking about things that aren't as important necessarily that are important in their own way but aren't necessarily as important as for example cluster bombs you know so you'll get the media

00:10:15.000 Talking about Andrew Tate for whatever reasons that that is, whilst not reporting on the fact that we're sending cluster bombs and that that was constituted as a war crime.

00:10:22.000 Kip1 says on our locals chat, and if you're watching this on Rumble, why don't you join us over here on locals?

00:10:29.000 It's a fantastic conversation.

00:10:30.000 This person said, I find Andrew Tate a bit arrogant, but I don't think he should be censored.

00:10:36.000 Natasha Lee says Tate does understand the CIC but I think he may play it up to his advantage.

00:10:41.000 I suppose that where we are now is it's necessary to be able to have conversations, it's necessary to have moral authority somewhere in cultural life, whether that's in media, the electoral process or the judiciary.

00:10:55.000 We're experiencing a time where there is a cataclysmic loss of trust in our institutions and that is no doubt in part because of bureaucrats Posing like mob bosses.

00:11:06.000 You perhaps have heard of the EU Commissioner Thierry Breton.

00:11:10.000 He may look like your grandma, he may look like a well-groomed Colonel Sanders, but by God, he talks like Don Corleone.

00:11:19.000 He's a man that struck terror into the heart of Elon Musk when he said that if social media platforms don't comply with EU edicts, they will be fined a significant sum from their annual turnover.

00:11:31.000 This is how censorship goes global.

00:11:33.000 This is how censorship becomes legal.

00:11:36.000 This is how the kind of conversations that we have will become shut down.

00:11:41.000 We're talking about the advent now of digital currencies.

00:11:43.000 We're talking about censorship at a global level.

00:11:45.000 We're talking about a global situation where bureaucratic bodies who have never been elected

00:11:50.000 will have the ability to censor you using your money to shut you down

00:11:55.000 and then control your access to currency.

00:11:58.000 This social credit score dystopia that was dreamed of as a black, 1.00

00:12:02.000 a little more than a black mirror plot 18 months ago is now being legislated for.

00:12:08.000 It's being bought into your reality.

00:12:10.000 What strikes me, Gareth, in particular about our man Thierry Breton

00:12:13.000 is the sort of provocative language, the aggressive language,

00:12:17.000 we will shut you down if you don't comply.

00:12:20.000 When did government officials start talking to the people that pay them like that?

00:12:25.000 Yeah, exactly, and what he's doing at the moment, and basically when Macron recently,

00:12:29.000 who we literally just saw enjoying his time at NATO, has threatened to shut down social media

00:12:36.000 for what he says is highlighting irresponsibly footage of rioting, or you could say protesting.

00:12:44.000 It depends how you want to frame that.

00:12:47.000 And so Macron's threat was to shut down social media and what Breton has now said is that will be something that under these new EU laws we'll be able to do.

00:12:56.000 So the French people are protesting because they're unhappy about the French administration.

00:13:01.000 They're unhappy that they're not able to vote on significant issues.

00:13:04.000 They're unhappy that France appears to be run by globalist corporate interests.

00:13:09.000 One piece of language I saw around it is we can't have a situation where people are rioting, where people are killing other people, where people are burning cars.

00:13:18.000 You could see how rhetorically the idea of killing and burning starts to be equated and assimilated into the idea of dissent and protest.

00:13:27.000 Tell us how you feel about that.

00:13:30.000 Use your free speech while you can.

00:13:31.000 If you're watching us on Rumble, click the red button and join us on Locals.

00:13:34.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, you're going to have You have to join us in a second because we're going to talk about Jordan Peterson's recent ban and his publication of the email that informed him of why he has been censored.

00:13:47.000 And let us know how you feel about this.

00:13:49.000 Let us know how you feel that increasingly it seems that platforms like this are going to be regulated, legislated by unelected government officials in the case of YouTube.

00:14:00.000 But platform, my love, if you're one of our 6.5 million awakening wonders, let me reiterate my love for you and my gratitude towards the platform.

00:14:06.000 But it has to be said that when it comes to matters related to COVID and the pandemic, they still use WHO guidelines to this day to inform their own community guidelines.

00:14:15.000 So WHO As you know, are lobbying for the ability to impose legislation on your country without electoral process, extract 5% of your nation's health budget into their coffers.

00:14:26.000 These are not normal times.

00:14:28.000 The idea that we were moving towards a new world order with a centralised globalist authority that was unelected and immovable is becoming evident.

00:14:38.000 It's emerging from the fugue of bureaucracy that's clearly being sprayed and splayed now.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:45.000 What you said there, Ross, the word used by Breton there was revolt.

00:14:48.000 When there is hateful content, content that calls, for example, for revolt, but also calls for killing and burning of cars, they will be required to delete the content.

00:14:56.000 Obviously, revolt is something that is very different from killing and the burning of cars, but it's being conflated into the same thing.

00:15:02.000 Just to let you know of the kind of very real consequences of this, Breton has also revealed that in response to this, Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta, as we know, has hired an additional 1,000 censors.

00:15:13.000 As a result of these new laws.

00:15:14.000 But they're booking in more censors now! 0.87

00:15:16.000 It's hired an additional 1,000 more censors.

00:15:19.000 So again, when we were talking about threads recently, and about the way in which people have already been blacklisted and greylisted, this is happening.

00:15:26.000 And when they're talking about it being a more friendly place, and a place that, you know, we can all get along, which isn't the case with Twitter, what that does mean, is manifesting here, is 1,000 new censors have joined Meta as a result.

00:15:37.000 They want you to be neutered, devoid of vigour.

00:15:41.000 They want you to prize congeniality, conviviality, friendliness above vitality.

00:15:49.000 All of us would agree that a friendly, congenial atmosphere is beneficial, that we should be speaking to one another in good faith.

00:15:58.000 But the answer to that is not to create more censorship and more authority,

00:16:02.000 it's to recognize that it cannot be achieved through censorship.

00:16:06.000 That there will always be a degree of hateful language, because, do you know what? Human beings have hatred within

00:16:14.000 us.

00:16:14.000 We cast a shadow, the light casts a shadow.

00:16:17.000 The solution that they are presenting to the problem of being human

00:16:21.000 is to the opposite of what's required, the opposite of devolution, the opposite of decentralization, the opposite of more

00:16:26.000 democracy, more authority, less personal ownership.

00:16:30.000 What they're trying to create is a world where we are impotent cells,

00:16:35.000 devoid of autonomy, devoid of personal autonomy.

00:16:39.000 That surely can't be the solution, but it's certainly the solution they're heading towards.

00:16:43.000 Even at the level of finance.

00:16:45.000 One of the few areas where we have control over our lives is our ability to control our own currency.

00:16:51.000 And remember, when cryptocurrencies were launched, these cryptocurrencies are dangerous.

00:16:55.000 They're bad for the environment. 0.89

00:16:56.000 They're being used by lunatics. 0.98

00:16:57.000 Conspiracy theories.

00:16:58.000 The way they talk about a film like Sound of Freedom, which I've yet to watch, but you're going to love my interview with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.

00:17:04.000 A fantastic conversation with them.

00:17:06.000 Oh, this film is QAnon.

00:17:07.000 You know, I don't know, man.

00:17:08.000 I don't know how they're packaging Loss of freedom as somehow advantageous to the people that are directly affected by it.

00:17:15.000 Let's have a look at this report on the emergence of the digital dollar, which right now, 50% of the world's countries are either introducing or piloting.

00:17:25.000 This isn't pie in the sky.

00:17:27.000 This is stuff that's being brought about soon.

00:17:29.000 It's coming to a bank account like yours very soon.

00:17:32.000 And the same way the Canadian truckers had their bank accounts shut down, that could be any one of us next.

00:17:37.000 And the old adage, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to lose.

00:17:42.000 Well, that's going to become less and less relevant because you don't know what you've got to hide, because they can change the rules whenever they want, just like that.

00:17:49.000 Let's have a look at this on the mainstream.

00:17:51.000 Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told the House Financial Services Committee in March that the Fed had already begun testing a digital dollar.

00:18:00.000 What we're doing is experimenting in kind of an early stage experimentation.

00:18:04.000 How would this work?

00:18:05.000 Does it work?

00:18:06.000 What's the best technology?

00:18:07.000 What's the most efficient?

00:18:09.000 Just like paper dollars, a central bank digital currency, or CBDC, would be issued by the Federal Reserve.

00:18:17.000 Those pushing for it say it would have several advantages over physical money.

00:18:21.000 They say it could be used to fight inflation because the Fed would have more direct control over the money supply.

00:18:28.000 It could speed up transaction payments and help fight money laundering.

00:18:33.000 ...convenience, fighting against crime.

00:18:36.000 Let me know in the comments if you have seen these arguments used again and again to advance models of centralized authority.

00:18:44.000 A total of 130 countries representing 98% of the global economy are now exploring digital versions of their currencies with almost half in advanced development, pilot or launch stages.

00:18:54.000 A closely followed study shows This is what's happening in our country, the UK, Gareth, and we were fascinated when we learned this earlier.

00:19:01.000 A digital version of the British Pound, one of the greatest currencies the Lord ever did create, may feature a way to verify the holder's age and citizenship status.

00:19:12.000 potentially smoothing the purchase of alcohol and tobacco and transactions with government

00:19:16.000 agencies. So of course anyone would accept that they don't want children smoking or drinking

00:19:21.000 alcohol but I like the point you made earlier Gareth about how a digital currency could

00:19:25.000 just be a replica of physical currency and yet it isn't.

00:19:30.000 Well, I just think, where does this stop?

00:19:30.000 What do you think's happening there?

00:19:32.000 You know, first of all, it's like, okay, it's, uh, gonna hold your age.

00:19:36.000 Okay, my age, I guess, fine.

00:19:38.000 Uh, my citizenship status.

00:19:40.000 Okay, where are we going with that now?

00:19:41.000 Right, now we want your health details.

00:19:43.000 When did you wash your wig, Keith?

00:19:45.000 When did you?

00:19:47.000 But you know, we've talked about vaccine passports.

00:19:49.000 That was actually just my question.

00:19:50.000 Oh, I see.

00:19:51.000 That's not the digital currency.

00:19:52.000 It was this morning.

00:19:54.000 Well done, that's pretty good.

00:19:55.000 That's a bloody good routine.

00:19:57.000 And you can put that on your new Britcoin.

00:19:57.000 I think so.

00:19:59.000 I do that every day.

00:20:00.000 That's just standard.

00:20:01.000 So you've got nothing to hide!

00:20:03.000 You have nothing to hide!

00:20:04.000 Thanks Ross.

00:20:05.000 No but obviously a lot of the controversy around vaccine passports at the time was what else?

00:20:12.000 Where does this lead to?

00:20:13.000 What other things?

00:20:14.000 Basically we get into the point where the government are going to know kind of everything about us just from what we spend and also what we were talking about earlier is that now the danger with this is that they're not going to have to go to corporations anymore.

00:20:27.000 They're not going to have to say What are these people spending their money on?

00:20:29.000 Are they attending a Donald Trump rally?

00:20:31.000 What are they buying here?

00:20:32.000 They literally will have direct access to that now.

00:20:35.000 Free speech is being equated with hate speech.

00:20:39.000 Privacy is being equated with criminality.

00:20:42.000 The ability for private and commercial entities, vast in stature and size, for their ability to track and observe your private transactions is now being given to the government.

00:20:54.000 The government that whether you voted for them or not, they're here to stay.

00:20:58.000 I don't remember handing over that degree of authority.

00:21:02.000 Isn't it time for a massive renegotiation when it comes to our relationship with the state?

00:21:07.000 Don't all of us really at this point want as little government as possible?

00:21:10.000 The maximum amount of democracy for there only to be regulatory funding when it comes to The necessary municipal things that we can share in as a community.

00:21:21.000 Are we going to leave YouTube now?

00:21:22.000 I've just got the message.

00:21:23.000 We've got to leave YouTube because we're going to talk about censorship now.

00:21:26.000 We're going to continue to talk about the control of currency, but we're also going to talk about the Jordan Peterson hate speech strike and the taking down of his content from YouTube.

00:21:35.000 So even though we love you guys, you 6.5 million awakening wonders, you've got to click the link in the description.

00:21:41.000 Join us over in the other space so we can speak freely and free most of all from hate.

00:21:46.000 See you in a second.

00:21:47.000 Now, if you're watching us on Rumble, press the red button now and join us in the locals chat because we really get into it in there.

00:21:55.000 It's a fantastic community of people.

00:21:56.000 Lovely little darlings.

00:21:58.000 Rational anarchy. 0.98

00:21:59.000 Apologetic pests. 0.73

00:21:59.000 There they are. 0.73

00:22:00.000 They're all chatting away to each other right now.

00:22:02.000 Do you want to say anything else about this digital currency before we look at the Jordan Peterson pulldown?

00:22:07.000 Well, because I think it's all linked, ultimately.

00:22:09.000 I mean, we've got a situation here with Jordan Peterson whereby some more of his content has been removed.

00:22:15.000 What is it?

00:22:16.000 Well, this one is particularly around the trans issue, trans when ideology meets reality.

00:22:21.000 So you can understand, you can see why YouTube has removed it from that perspective in that they've got guidelines around this, as we know, WHO guidelines and lots of other guidelines that they have.

00:22:31.000 But I think the issue, one of the issues with this, as Jordan Peterson points out, is YouTube pointing to the episode as a violation of its hate speech policy without specifying which parts triggered the policy breach.

00:22:42.000 Thing is, last month they also deleted an interview with Robert F. Kennedy.

00:22:46.000 So, we are getting to the point where Jordan Peterson and Robert F. Kennedy are now in this kind of on-good version of people, you know, that Matt Taibbi has spoken so much about.

00:22:57.000 We've got to the stage where it's good people and on-good people and it's whether or not they're saying something that we disagree with or just that them as a person says things that we generally don't like.

00:23:06.000 We're now going to view them in a different way.

00:23:08.000 I like the language around this particularly.

00:23:11.000 Hey, Jordan B. Peterson, we have reviewed your appeal for the following, and then it sort of lists and describes the episode.

00:23:18.000 We've viewed your content carefully and have confirmed that it violates our hate speech policy.

00:23:22.000 We know this is probably disappointing news, but it's our job to make sure that YouTube is a safe place for all.

00:23:29.000 How does this impact your content?

00:23:30.000 We won't be putting your content back up on YouTube.

00:23:33.000 Now, when it comes to the issue in particular here, I've had, and you can watch it, I think it's still up, conversations with Jordan Peterson about that, and I have a very different view to Jordan Peterson on this particular subject.

00:23:44.000 I disagree with Jordan Peterson on that matter.

00:23:47.000 He knows that.

00:23:48.000 We've discussed it.

00:23:49.000 It's a matter of public record.

00:23:50.000 I'm not saying that in a grandiose way, I'm just saying you can watch me arguing with him.

00:23:53.000 Yeah, and you're allowed to have different views, and that's great.

00:23:55.000 And the fact that you both respect each other and can have really good conversations about this is surely what this is all about.

00:24:02.000 How can it do anything but bring people closer together?

00:24:06.000 What I feel is dangerous is when a bureaucratic intervention is undertaken, particularly in such sort of peculiarly genteel tones.

00:24:18.000 This, for me, is what the next incarnation of fascism might look like.

00:24:23.000 That we're used to the old model of fascism, the badges, the lurid colours, the marching, the overt militarism.

00:24:30.000 But what seems to be happening now is that cosy, sort of mark two, bureaucracy underscored fascism is entering the conversation.

00:24:39.000 Much more Huxley than Orwell.

00:24:42.000 Much more barely sentient blobs sat in a pod consuming Soma rather than the grinding of the jackboot in the face. 0.98

00:24:52.000 In this culture, we're snuggling up to the jackboot.

00:24:56.000 We're seeing the jackboot as a protector rather than an authoritarian adversary.

00:25:02.000 Even though, in this instance, I would probably have a view closer to the censor than Jordan Peterson on trans issues.

00:25:09.000 I'm just guessing because I've not seen the video, because I can't see the video.

00:25:13.000 I still think that you should be able to have that conversation.

00:25:17.000 And the same is true of Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate.

00:25:21.000 Whether or not you agree with Andrew Tate, whether or not you have questions about Andrew Tate, you almost have to see him as a signal of something that's happening in the culture.

00:25:30.000 And then you have to perhaps ask the questions, what do you think the system is threatened by?

00:25:35.000 Do you think they really care about misogyny?

00:25:39.000 Like, because if they do, then how did we just have a century of the objectification and commodification of women? 1.00

00:25:46.000 Why does the advertising industry still use bodies as a commodity and as a product?

00:25:52.000 It still does it.

00:25:53.000 It wants its cake and eat it. 0.90

00:25:55.000 It wants to pose as moral while retaining authority.

00:26:00.000 I feel that we have to move towards a culture that, criminality aside, whether that's hate speech or the abuse of other individuals, We're gonna have to recognise that people are wanting to run their lives and their communities in different ways, progressive, traditional or otherwise.

00:26:15.000 No one has, not now, the moral authority, not this Breton geezer, not our corporate overlords, not the people at YouTube.

00:26:24.000 Where do you want to grant that authority?

00:26:26.000 I completely agree with what you just said, but when you mentioned about having a view that was maybe closer to the censors, I don't think that the censor does have an opinion.

00:26:34.000 I think that's the thing, is that it's very much top-down.

00:26:37.000 These are not a bunch of people who are at YouTube and they're like, well, we're debating this thing, we have these conversations every day, and what we've come is to the conclusion via democracy and via free speech between us all, that these are our policies here at YouTube.

00:26:52.000 It's not, it doesn't work like that.

00:26:53.000 These are algorithms.

00:26:55.000 These are people who are censoring based upon, did that word, was that word said?

00:27:00.000 Did this person say it like this?

00:27:01.000 Was it Jordan Peterson or was it Robert F. Kennedy?

00:27:04.000 These are top-down edicts that are coming in to censor us, which is how exactly we arrived at the place of the Twitter files.

00:27:12.000 It was nothing to do with people at Twitter necessarily.

00:27:14.000 That was the government.

00:27:15.000 Although in the Twitter files cases, Jack Dorsey, when he came on, was saying that he feels there were certain cultural prejudices and even affiliations that were, in a sense, geographical.

00:27:26.000 It's San Francisco, Barkley, then people are more generally inclined towards progressivism.

00:27:33.000 And of course, all of us ought be able, that's the point, to have our own political affiliations.

00:27:38.000 But without principles, without values, you end up censoring people simply because you disagree with them.

00:27:44.000 That book wench says here in the chat, can you ever really trust the cat?

00:27:48.000 The answer is, I don't.

00:27:50.000 I just find that very difficult to answer indeed.

00:27:54.000 I suppose like where, like where I am in it is that I'm deeply concerned.

00:27:59.000 Are you still talking about the cat?

00:28:00.000 Cause like my one, the way he looks at me sometimes, I've got too many of them as well.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 They're all over my house.

00:28:06.000 Cats.

00:28:06.000 That one's not live by the way.

00:28:07.000 The one in the back of frame of Gareth's.

00:28:09.000 Is he there today?

00:28:11.000 There he is, that little pale, pastel-level creature.

00:28:13.000 Oh, you're talking about me?

00:28:14.000 Look at that. 0.97

00:28:15.000 Look at that disgusting thing! 1.00

00:28:17.000 Um, listen, um, I want to, um, like, we've agreed censorship's bad and we don't want to have it.

00:28:23.000 There you go, that's it, isn't it?

00:28:24.000 Um, hey, listen, you know, um, RFK Jr.

00:28:28.000 is going to investigate and prosecute Fauci if elected.

00:28:31.000 That's exciting, isn't it?

00:28:33.000 Will he be able to do that?

00:28:34.000 Is he talking about that with Jesse Waters?

00:28:36.000 Jesse, is it Waters or Watters?

00:28:38.000 Waters.

00:28:39.000 You'll never replace Tucker! 1.00

00:28:41.000 Not in my eyes, you bastard! 1.00

00:28:43.000 Like, on YouTube, with the censorship, they'll present things, they'll censor things like suicide, like saying the word suicide, it doesn't, so, like, sometimes it is cultural affiliations, and sometimes, as you say, it's algorithm just spotting words. 0.99

00:28:55.000 Because like, you know, for example, if you do a video on suicide saying, look, this is at times in my life I've been suicidal and this is how I've prevented myself from committing suicide is because of these kind of conversations.

00:29:04.000 These guys go, suicide, bad, bad. 1.00

00:29:07.000 You can't say, fuck. 1.00

00:29:08.000 I mean, it's extraordinarily sensorial and paternal. 1.00

00:29:13.000 We've, take drugs, for example, which I know you have done.

00:29:16.000 I do take drugs.

00:29:17.000 I do take them.

00:29:18.000 They're good for you, I tell you.

00:29:19.000 We've done videos about drugs, but specifically about talking about the pharmaceutical industry and the way in which, for example, psilocybin has not been something that's been tested much and that has been kind of suppressed due to the way in which there are positive results around psilocybin and PTSD sufferers and the way in which that's helped them without having to subject them to a lifetime of taking pills.

00:29:45.000 When you get a video like that demonetized on YouTube or you get a strike against something like that without people recognizing that the context is not what we're not saying is drugs are good you should take loads of drugs irresponsibly but what you're saying is challenging to the pharmaceutical industry that there is a there is a nuance there that needs to be discussed and I think that applies to loads of content that was on YouTube.

00:30:07.000 What do you reckon about RFK prosecuting Fauci?

00:30:10.000 What's the charge?

00:30:13.000 Well, I guess, I mean, obviously, the entire response to the pandemic and the leading up to the pandemic, I think Rauf Carey is more concerned with that, potentially.

00:30:22.000 What do you lot think in the chat?

00:30:24.000 Let us know.

00:30:24.000 Let us know in the chat whether you think has he got a chance?

00:30:27.000 What's the charge?

00:30:27.000 Can you imagine that?

00:30:29.000 And perhaps more importantly, who's going to win in a pull-up competition between Robert F. Kennedy and a little guy I call I Am?

00:30:37.000 We've already raised $32,070 a lot.

00:30:41.000 I can't even do the number.

00:30:42.000 I'm panicking.

00:30:43.000 I'm nearly up to the letter D in the money raised.

00:30:49.000 I'm trying to mitigate and control that filling up of that.

00:30:54.000 I see that as a Pfizer syringe going into RFK's bulbous bicep.

00:31:00.000 And I don't want it going in there too quickly.

00:31:03.000 Because once that thing's full, then I've got to do that thing with RFK.

00:31:06.000 In a way, wouldn't you like to rip the bandaid off and be like, OK, we've reached the amount, this is happening.

00:31:12.000 Because at the moment, you're just in this...

00:31:15.000 Living in terrible suspense.

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 Pull-up Purgatory.

00:31:17.000 Purgatory.

00:31:19.000 I mean, pull-up Purgatory, ain't I?

00:31:21.000 Listen, if you want to donate, it's kennedy24.com forward slash pull-up to donate.

00:31:24.000 No, because I want more time.

00:31:26.000 Well, you think it's impossible to get to... No, no.

00:31:29.000 I'm right behind you.

00:31:29.000 I think you're going to do it.

00:31:30.000 How is it going to be... I mean, I'll be right underneath you, probably.

00:31:33.000 That's where I need you.

00:31:33.000 I need you underneath me, at the knees, pushing me up, especially for that last...

00:31:38.000 18 or 19 or so, because that's when it gets really tricky.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, I do want to do it.

00:31:43.000 I do want to do it.

00:31:44.000 I do want to... The thing is, in spite of being inept in many ways, I'm very competitive, man.

00:31:49.000 I know you are.

00:31:50.000 You're also very fit.

00:31:51.000 I am quite fit!

00:31:52.000 Yeah, and I think you stand a jolly good chance.

00:31:55.000 I've just got to get that last 20 push-ups, pull-ups, sorry, pull-offs.

00:32:00.000 Back me guys, make a little donation.

00:32:02.000 We'll post the link in both the chats and if you can donate, donate.

00:32:06.000 Because the loser has to come to the other person's country. 0.84

00:32:09.000 If I lose on the off-chance, I have to go to America and help him when he's doing his rallies.

00:32:14.000 Wow.

00:32:15.000 I'd sort of want to do that.

00:32:16.000 That can be your way.

00:32:17.000 You can say, I lost on purpose.

00:32:19.000 I only lost that on purpose. 0.98

00:32:21.000 To help you, you poor old sod. 0.99

00:32:23.000 You poor old duffer. 0.97

00:32:24.000 I've been pulling up since I was a boy! 0.93

00:32:26.000 Alright then, listen.

00:32:28.000 We're going to talk a little bit more now about how the Department of Justice are being deployed to fight against a federal judge's verdict that the government have been impeding your right to free speech.

00:32:41.000 This is outrageous. 0.60

00:32:43.000 It's disgusting.

00:32:44.000 It's impossible.

00:32:46.000 It must be stopped.

00:32:47.000 Here's the news.

00:32:48.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:32:50.000 Now, let me hear that. 0.99

00:32:51.000 No, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:32:57.000 The mainstream are in meltdown because Biden's censorship powers are being blocked. 0.99

00:33:02.000 So why is it they want to censor us?

00:33:04.000 Is it because they want to protect our health or is it because they want to protect their authority?

00:33:10.000 Even though a federal judge has said you can't keep telling social media companies to censor information on a whim, they're saying we're only doing it to protect the people.

00:33:19.000 Those people that we protect and serve.

00:33:21.000 Why?

00:33:22.000 What other motivation could there be?

00:33:24.000 Could it be that democracy primarily operates at the behest of big business, corporation, financial interests, globalism?

00:33:32.000 Surely not.

00:33:32.000 No.

00:33:33.000 Say it ain't so.

00:33:34.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:33:36.000 Do you believe they're acting on your behalf to protect you from...

00:33:39.000 health conditions or do you think they're trying to protect you as Biden and Kareem Jean-Pierre claim?

00:33:46.000 Let's see how the mainstream media responded to the horrific news that the Biden administration

00:33:50.000 can't censor you at whim because it's against the first amendment.

00:33:54.000 Just reading the words in this injunction a quote massive effort by the defendants

00:33:59.000 to suppress speech based on content those are the judge's words calling the present case quote

00:34:04.000 arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in the United States history Ellie.

00:34:10.000 Yeah.

00:34:11.000 It's a dramatic decision by this judge if you read through it.

00:34:14.000 He's citing to literature and George Washington and Ben Franklin.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, who cares about those guys?

00:34:21.000 What relevance have Ben Franklin and George Washington got to American legislation and history?

00:34:26.000 I barely remember their names anymore.

00:34:28.000 Here's what really is astonishing to me.

00:34:31.000 This is a conservative ideology that clearly comes through in this Decision.

00:34:37.000 People are genuinely unaware of their own ideology, aren't they now?

00:34:40.000 It's like, oh, that's someone else's ideology.

00:34:42.000 And what are you basing that on?

00:34:43.000 My own ideology, of course.

00:34:46.000 Otherwise, it would be invisible to you.

00:34:48.000 Where we have to get to as discerning awakening wonders together is, oh, yeah, that's an ideology and that's an ideology.

00:34:55.000 I'm not neutral.

00:34:56.000 I prefer one ideology.

00:34:58.000 They prefer another ideology.

00:34:59.000 And in order for me to have this ideology, perhaps they are to be afforded that ideology.

00:35:04.000 Now, when it comes to a fundamental principle like free speech, you have to, I think, be rigorous.

00:35:08.000 That's why we've made the decisions as a movement that we've made in the last few years.

00:35:12.000 We recognised where this was going.

00:35:14.000 Hang on a minute.

00:35:14.000 If they can censor information without consent, without democracy, how are we going to be able to have conversation?

00:35:19.000 As the ideology changes, they're going to censor in accordance with that ideology.

00:35:23.000 If there's a pandemic, they're going to use that to legitimise censorship.

00:35:25.000 If there's a war, they're going to use that to legitimise censorship.

00:35:28.000 They're going to use it all the time to limit, prohibit, control debate.

00:35:32.000 We cannot allow that to happen, can we?

00:35:34.000 Well, one side wants it.

00:35:36.000 So when you're making a measurement and a judgment between the two sides, and you know me, I don't agree with any of the occupants of that system.

00:35:42.000 I think ultimately they share the same interests.

00:35:45.000 They're interchangeable.

00:35:46.000 George W. Bush, now fated and adored.

00:35:48.000 Obama, adored by both sides.

00:35:50.000 For me, the answers are not coming out of those institutions.

00:35:53.000 But the principles, the principle in particular, the one that we're discussing now, free speech, is vital, indefatigable, incontrovertible, non-negotiable.

00:36:00.000 It's a conservative political ideology, right?

00:36:02.000 We saw some of the quotes questioning vaccines, questioning masks, conservative talking points.

00:36:07.000 Yeah, and there's no questions there.

00:36:08.000 Let me know in the comments if there were any questions that should have been asked, could have been asked, weren't asked because of censorship, and that turned out to be actually an infringement of your free speech.

00:36:17.000 But the ruling itself is the opposite of judicial conservatism.

00:36:20.000 This is one of the most aggressive, far-reaching rulings you'll ever see.

00:36:24.000 That's amazing.

00:36:24.000 This is propaganda live.

00:36:25.000 You're watching propaganda live.

00:36:27.000 This is aggressive.

00:36:28.000 This is not judicial.

00:36:29.000 Wait a minute.

00:36:30.000 I think they're referring to the constitution and legislation that's in your constitution and saying, hold on, this is against stuff that we've agreed we were never going to do.

00:36:39.000 And we can't just change it without changing the entire constitution.

00:36:43.000 Because free speech means people are allowed to say what they want.

00:36:46.000 There are other crimes, don't incite violence.

00:36:49.000 Like those are all covered by other laws.

00:36:50.000 But if people are going, oh, excuse me, I wonder if we could see some data.

00:36:54.000 That's free speech.

00:36:55.000 That's within free speech.

00:36:56.000 What this judge is purporting to do is to micromanage, really, the day-to-day interactions between essentially the entire executive branch, all these agencies that are listed as defendants, and the leading social media companies.

00:37:08.000 And in the actual temporary injunction, the judge basically says, you're not allowed, administration, to talk to these social media companies about any protected free speech except for cyber security threats, national security threats, criminal threats, That's exactly what it should be, isn't it?

00:37:26.000 Unless it's a national security threat, or there's crime, either cyber or literal, mind your own business.

00:37:33.000 No one elected you to control their ability to communicate.

00:37:37.000 Remember, what's being suggested here is that there's a parental relationship between the state and subjects, which is what we use in the UK.

00:37:44.000 Subjects.

00:37:45.000 You're subject to rule.

00:37:46.000 You're pushed down by rule.

00:37:47.000 Now, you might like your parent, you might love mummy or daddy, but you're an adult!

00:37:53.000 You should be able to decide for yourself what you read, what you consume.

00:37:56.000 This is the assumption. 1.00

00:37:57.000 People are idiots. 1.00

00:37:58.000 If you give them a load of information, they won't be able to determine for themselves truth from fiction. 1.00

00:38:02.000 They get all carried away and do lally, and they start believing in stuff that we don't want them to believe in.

00:38:07.000 Now, if you want to live like that, you should be allowed to go and live in a community of, we're the community where we're controlled, please.

00:38:14.000 You know, if you want, you carry on with lockdowns.

00:38:16.000 If you want, you can stay in your house now.

00:38:17.000 If you want to carry on wearing masks forever, wear masks forever.

00:38:20.000 You can do what you want, but don't tell other people what to do and say.

00:38:24.000 That's what's being proposed here.

00:38:26.000 Now, I'm astonished that that's a partisan issue, that that's either right or left.

00:38:30.000 How dare he say, this is micromanaging the government.

00:38:33.000 How dare you micromanage the government while they micromanage everything we say, while they shut down, in the words of Zuckerberg, debatable or true information.

00:38:43.000 That's exactly what it was.

00:38:49.000 They were micromanaging.

00:38:50.000 They were scrutinizing individual tweets.

00:38:52.000 Did you have any idea what the Twitter files revealed?

00:38:54.000 They revealed that they were scanning all data.

00:38:56.000 Have you any idea what Snowden revealed?

00:38:58.000 They're looking at all of your information and data, and if they don't like it, they remove it.

00:39:02.000 And if they don't like you, one day, They'll remove you.

00:39:05.000 But where's the line?

00:39:06.000 Who's going to police this?

00:39:08.000 Yeah, who is going to police this?

00:39:09.000 Not the government, plainly, because no one trusts them.

00:39:11.000 Not the mainstream media, plainly, because no one trusts them.

00:39:13.000 There has to be a new way of organizing society.

00:39:17.000 That's what's being revealed here.

00:39:18.000 This is a judge trying to micromanage the day-to-day, regular activities of the entire executive branch.

00:39:24.000 I don't know that it's actually policeable by the judge, but it's really an astonishing... I don't mean this necessarily as a criticism.

00:39:30.000 This is a very activist judicial opinion.

00:39:33.000 If you watched that and it was an aesthetic that wasn't familiar to you, forgive the simplicity of the terms, but if it was on Russia Today or Al Jazeera, something that had cultural paraphernalia that was different, they were talking a different language, they were wearing religious dress that wasn't common to your country, broadly speaking, you'd go...

00:39:50.000 That's propaganda.

00:39:50.000 They're saying how dare you micromanage the government.

00:39:53.000 This is activism.

00:39:54.000 You would recognize it for what it is.

00:39:56.000 Propaganda.

00:39:56.000 That's propaganda.

00:39:57.000 That's CNN.

00:39:58.000 Here's another mainstream media report that seems similarly outraged that the government aren't going to censor you.

00:40:05.000 Is there a reason we are saying that this is a Trump-appointed judge in particular?

00:40:10.000 Is this ruling out of sorts?

00:40:12.000 I think you would be able to tell that from just reading it.

00:40:15.000 I think, you know, you would be able to correctly guess who this judge was appointed by by just reading this opinion.

00:40:21.000 What he's saying there is that you can observe that this is a Trump-appointed judge by virtue of the fact that there's an interest in free speech.

00:40:29.000 What the mainstream media are doing in your lifetime, observably, is turning free speech into a right-wing issue.

00:40:36.000 When did that happen?

00:40:38.000 Like, I'm old enough to remember when free speech was the right to support gay rights, trans rights, civil rights.

00:40:44.000 What was it like?

00:40:44.000 Was Martin Luther King a right-wing?

00:40:46.000 Was Malcolm X right-wing?

00:40:48.000 Were the Stonewall protesters right-wing?

00:40:50.000 Free speech, the right to free expression, whether that's because you're into trans stuff or whether you're Free speech is transcendent of that.

00:41:00.000 That's the point of it.

00:41:01.000 That is the point.

00:41:02.000 If you say free speech but just over here, guess what that's not?

00:41:06.000 Free speech.

00:41:11.000 The FBI was encouraging social media companies to take down posts.

00:41:16.000 And, you know, the argument, especially in the wake of January 6th, that the FBI was too synced up with Twitter or Facebook or any of these social media companies just sort of flies in the face of reality, because obviously we saw what happened on January 6th itself.

00:41:30.000 Let's break this down together.

00:41:32.000 That mainstream media pundit has just claimed there can be no collusion between social media and the deep state because January the 6th happened.

00:41:40.000 How could January the 6th have happened if there's collusion between the deep state and social media?

00:41:45.000 They would have stopped it, is the argument that he's advancing.

00:41:48.000 But those of us that have been watching independent media know that there was collusion, and in fact there were agents of the FBI, the Capitol Police, various other law enforcement agencies in that crowd.

00:42:01.000 So that actually is an argument that there was collusion between social media.

00:42:05.000 So that, again, is propaganda.

00:42:07.000 It's more subtle and insidious propaganda than the first piece, but this one is saying January 6th is evidence that there isn't collusion.

00:42:15.000 But you might say, no, January 6th is evidence that there is collusion, because we know there are agents there, and we've seen, subsequently, that laws are being passed to give the Capitol Police more money, laws are being passed to shut down protests generally, this will be used to legitimize surveillance.

00:42:28.000 Let me know what you think, though.

00:42:30.000 Um, you know, the COVID misinformation stuff is a little bit... is a little bit more complicated.

00:42:33.000 Do you see how the mainstream media conveys the pandemic period and the role of the government and media in that time is this?

00:42:40.000 It's a bit more complicated.

00:42:42.000 A handful of words.

00:42:46.000 Maybe we might stop and look at how it was a bit more complicated.

00:42:50.000 Was it a bit more complicated because vaccine experts, pro-vaccine voices, people that invented vaccines were called anti-vaxxers and shut down?

00:42:57.000 Is it true that information was censored but was verifiable?

00:43:00.000 Is it true that since then the Twitter files have revealed the depth of deep state intervention and control of information?

00:43:06.000 Look at how the mainstream controls that.

00:43:07.000 This is their perfect opportunity.

00:43:09.000 This is where NBC could say, look, we made mistakes because remember during that period us and affiliated ideologically comparable stations said stuff like horse paste, ivermectin, we should shut it down, these people I think it was sort of to send a message on the 4th of July, right?

00:43:24.000 bit of that, suppose that shows you how dangerous censorship of this kind is and

00:43:29.000 the government should step back, right? But why don't they make that point?

00:43:32.000 Because they have an agenda. They want the censorship because the censorship

00:43:35.000 suits them at this time. Might not in the future, at this time the censorship suits

00:43:40.000 them. I think it was sort of to send a message on the 4th of July, right? It's

00:43:43.000 not that often you get injunctions sent out on that date in the way that this 0.99

00:43:47.000 155 page sort of... Look at him laughing like those cynical bastards. 0.94

00:43:53.000 Releasing that information about independent thought and independent communication on Independence Day. 0.96

00:43:59.000 Is there nothing they won't stoop to?

00:44:02.000 But that is a really good point!

00:44:04.000 You're meant to be independent!

00:44:06.000 On Independence Day!

00:44:08.000 That's what Independence Day is celebrating!

00:44:11.000 Oh, it was terrible that time when we were controlled by those people that wouldn't listen to us, and taxed us, and controlled us, who were a deracinated, uprooted, ruling class that... Oh no! 0.94

00:44:21.000 It's us now!

00:44:23.000 Judicial filing reads, it's not necessarily something that you think that like, oh, we just happened to finish it on July 4th.

00:44:28.000 You know, I had not considered that.

00:44:30.000 That's a very good point.

00:44:31.000 Yeah, Independence Day.

00:44:32.000 You might want to look it up.

00:44:33.000 Let's get into it a bit more deeply.

00:44:34.000 The Biden administration suffered a major setback on Tuesday morning over its social media policy,

00:44:38.000 but so far it appears to be pushing ahead undaunted. Oh good. The Department of Justice

00:44:42.000 announced later that day it would appeal the decision, arguing it is necessary and

00:44:46.000 responsible to protect public health, safety and security.

00:44:50.000 We've already said on this channel many times, safety, security, convenience.

00:44:55.000 These are the words they will use to usher in and lubricate the pathway to totalitarianism.

00:45:01.000 And by totalitarianism, I mean centralised authority.

00:45:03.000 Perhaps totalitarianism is not the right word, but centralised authority.

00:45:07.000 Look at exactly what they're saying here.

00:45:08.000 How are we to protect you and help you and keep you safe if we can't control everything?

00:45:14.000 I wonder why, while the DOJ is reviewing its options, is there any immediate day-to-day impact on the administration's activities here, the White House's activities?

00:45:23.000 So we've been very, we've been very kind of consistent.

00:45:27.000 She's not been in the job that long, has she?

00:45:29.000 Like maybe a year or so.

00:45:30.000 Already she's showing signs of that kind of accumulative fatigue that you see public figures accrue when they have to day by day sort of stand in front of people And if not lie, certainly give such a limited, narrow and curated perspective on reality that it takes a toll on the human soul.

00:45:48.000 That person there, Karine Jean-Pierre, she's an idealistic person.

00:45:52.000 But look what she's got to do every day. 1.00

00:45:53.000 She's got to stand in front of people and go, what this is, is to protect your health. 0.99

00:45:57.000 It's not about authority.

00:45:58.000 We just want to protect people's health.

00:45:59.000 OK, well, can we just look at how in other areas Health protection is prioritised over commerce and dominion.

00:46:06.000 Let's look at that in pharmacology, let's look at it in ecology, let's look at it in finance, let's look at it in public wealth management.

00:46:13.000 I mean, you just list it again and again and you'll be able to say, oh no, we never ever prioritise public health over commerce and dominion.

00:46:19.000 And knowing that, as she must, is exhausting to her because she's a human being.

00:46:24.000 We are going to continue to promote responsible actions to protect public health.

00:46:29.000 Safety and security when confronted by challenges like a deadly pandemic and foreign attacks in our election, so we're gonna continue To promote that in a responsible way.

00:46:39.000 Pandemic and foreign attacks on public elections are two areas now that show more than any two examples I could cite, except perhaps the laptop, that reveal, do not censor, do allow debate.

00:46:51.000 That's mad that those are the examples, isn't it?

00:46:54.000 Our view remains that social media platforms have a critical responsibility to take action or to take account.

00:47:01.000 of the effects of their platforms are having to the American people, but make independent

00:47:01.000 Okay.

00:47:05.000 choices about the information they present.

00:47:07.000 They are a private, as you know, entity, and it is their responsibility to act accordingly.

00:47:14.000 And so we're going to continue to be responsible in that way.

00:47:17.000 This is from Brett Swanson, non-resident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

00:47:21.000 For three years, pandemic public relations mocked nature, generating fear, illness, inflation, and excess death beyond what the virus caused.

00:47:29.000 Digital censorship supercharged the effort to hide reality, but reality is getting its day in court.

00:47:35.000 Discovery in Missouri v. Biden exposed relationships among government agencies and social media firms and revealed an additional layer of university centres and self-styled disinformation watchdogs and fact-checking outfits.

00:47:46.000 Elon Musk's release of some of Twitter's internal files revealed that up to 80 Federal Bureau of Investigation agents were embedded within social media companies.

00:47:55.000 The agents mostly weren't fighting terrorism, but flagging wrong-think by American citizens, including eminent scientists who suggested different paths on Covid policy.

00:48:05.000 The results of these relationships?

00:48:07.000 Twitter blacklisted Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya for showing COVID almost exclusively threatened the elderly, severely reducing the visibility of his tweets.

00:48:17.000 That was good and vital information that would have been helpful.

00:48:20.000 That's not propaganda or anti-COVID.

00:48:22.000 That's helpful health data, I would argue.

00:48:24.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree.

00:48:25.000 When Stanford health policy scholar Scott Atlas began advising the White House, YouTube erased his most prominent video opposing lockdowns.

00:48:33.000 Twitter banned Robert Malone, a pioneer of mRNA vaccine technology, for calling attention to the vaccine's dangers.

00:48:39.000 Robert Malone, for me and you, that's a name we've known for ages, right?

00:48:42.000 And you're like, hold on, isn't this guy, didn't he invent it?

00:48:44.000 How can he be anti if you, like, Ronald McDonald is not anti-McDonald, is he?

00:48:49.000 You can't trust Ronald McDonald.

00:48:50.000 That guy hates McDonald's and is against them.

00:48:53.000 YouTube demonetized evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein, who suggested the virus might be engineered and predicted vaccine-evading variants.

00:49:01.000 Came on our show.

00:49:02.000 A person who is legitimately opposing government edicts because of a public health-oriented ideology and experience and knowledge.

00:49:09.000 And those are only a few examples.

00:49:11.000 Social media platforms were powerful tools for full-spectrum censorship, but they didn't act alone.

00:49:16.000 Medical schools, medical boards, science journals, and legacy media sang from the same hymnal.

00:49:21.000 Legions of doctors stayed quiet after witnessing the demonization of their peers who challenged the COVID orthodoxy.

00:49:27.000 Understandably, because it's frightening to face that kind of censorship and surveillance and the sense that you could be punished.

00:49:33.000 But I suppose we should really appreciate those voices that did speak out bravely.

00:49:37.000 A little censorship leads people to watch what they say.

00:49:39.000 Millions of patients and citizens were deprived of important insights as a result.

00:49:44.000 Their whole argument was, what they were controlling and censoring was protecting people, but it wasn't doing that, it was harming people.

00:49:51.000 Health authorities and TV doctors insisted young people were vulnerable, demanded toddlers wear masks, closed schools, beaches and parks, and were loathed to contemplate crucial cost-benefit analysis.

00:50:01.000 The economy?

00:50:02.000 Mental health?

00:50:03.000 All conversations we were having, right?

00:50:03.000 Never heard of them.

00:50:05.000 These experts deny the protective effects of recovered immunity, a phenomenon we've known about since the plague of Athens in 430 BC.

00:50:05.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:50:13.000 In a few centuries' time, there will be this fella Jesus who's gonna make an impact, but we're not there yet.

00:50:19.000 Let's wait for that.

00:50:20.000 One thing I can tell you for sure, though, is natural immunity works well. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Shut your goddamn mouth, you racist! 1.00

00:50:26.000 US government spent $6 trillion to buoy its shuttered economy, and most people got COVID anyway. 1.00

00:50:31.000 Worst of all, the lockdowns and mandates resulted in unprecedented bad health outcomes for young and middle-aged people in rich countries.

00:50:38.000 Hooray! 0.97

00:50:39.000 Excess mortality in most high-income nations was worse in 2021 and 2022 than in 2020, the initial pandemic year.

00:50:46.000 It made things worse then, it suggests.

00:50:48.000 Many poorer nations with less government control seem to fare better.

00:50:52.000 Less government control?

00:50:53.000 Better?

00:50:54.000 Sweden, which didn't have a lockdown, performed better than nearly every other advanced nation.

00:50:59.000 After navigating 2020 with relative success, young and middle-aged healthy people in rich nations began dying in unprecedented numbers in 2021 and 2022.

00:51:06.000 Helpful for it is, haven't focused enough on this cataclysm of premature death from non-COVID heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, kidney failure and cancer.

00:51:16.000 I wonder why.

00:51:17.000 Hiding these and other realities has become more difficult in the internet age.

00:51:20.000 Could this be part of the reason for censorship?

00:51:23.000 Is that why the Biden administration are demanding censorship?

00:51:26.000 To continue to hide it?

00:51:27.000 The information explosion has allowed more people to spot quickly the mistakes of officials and learn the truth.

00:51:32.000 This has changed the relationship between the authorities and those they govern.

00:51:36.000 Those in charge feel threatened.

00:51:37.000 And there is the key point.

00:51:39.000 And that is what the censorship is about.

00:51:40.000 It's not about public health.

00:51:41.000 It's about centralised authoritarian control.

00:51:43.000 Digital censorship is their response to this crisis of authority.

00:51:47.000 True, misinformation is rampant online.

00:51:50.000 Of course it is.

00:51:51.000 Anyone can write anything they want.

00:51:52.000 There's all sorts of untrue, mad stuff being said.

00:51:55.000 But what's interesting is the type of information that they are targeting, and in particular, the type of information that they are ignoring, and their own evident errors when it comes to erroneous information.

00:52:05.000 But it was far worse before the internet, when myths could persist for centuries.

00:52:09.000 New technologies allow us to compile data quickly, correct errors, find facts, and dispel falsehoods.

00:52:15.000 Science, supported by an open internet, is the process by which we reduce misinformation and approach the truth.

00:52:20.000 So science, not as a subset of corporate, commercial, or globalist interests, but science as a process of investigating the nature of things, what is observable and what can be deduced, is of course absolutely vital, incontrovertibly.

00:52:35.000 What is also required is an open internet, which amounts to free speech and freedom of communication.

00:52:40.000 It's plain that the crisis of authority is what's being addressed here, not a health crisis.

00:52:45.000 The health crisis, it seems, may have been made worse by the actions they took in the last couple of years.

00:52:50.000 Who knows what other blunders they're making with geopolitics, war, energy, population management, No. 0.54

00:52:56.000 civilization? Who knows? Who could say? But I know that you'll let me know in the

00:52:59.000 comments because what I believe in is free speech, democracy, the ability to run

00:53:04.000 your own life and your own community, to leave one another alone wherever possible

00:53:08.000 and to allow the speech of people you disagree with to flourish and thrive. If

00:53:12.000 freedom means anything, it means that. But that's just what I think. Let me know

00:53:15.000 what you think in the chat. See you in a second.

00:53:24.000 Censorship is the idea that you and I cannot communicate lovingly and safely,

00:53:29.000 that we cannot build communities, common unity, through love, open-heartedness and

00:53:36.000 good faith.

00:53:38.000 Football is not like censorship.

00:53:41.000 Football is nice.

00:53:44.000 Football is nice.

00:53:50.000 Can you believe it that the England 21s won this weekend?

00:53:55.000 What a glory it is to be an English person at a time like this.

00:53:58.000 Did you watch that game, Gal?

00:54:00.000 Brilliant.

00:54:00.000 It was nerve-wracking because Spain are technically a very good side without getting too deep into the football analysis.

00:54:08.000 But yeah, it was amazing.

00:54:10.000 It was great to see there was a lot of English under-21 players who we recognise from Premier League clubs.

00:54:16.000 Did the crowd sound different?

00:54:18.000 You know how sometimes the crowd sounds different at women's football or young people's football?

00:54:22.000 Well, it sounded different because it wasn't very full.

00:54:25.000 That was one of the worst things about it.

00:54:27.000 I was watching it thinking, where is everyone?

00:54:29.000 Why aren't there more fans here?

00:54:30.000 Why is there such a big distinction between the senior team and the under-21s?

00:54:33.000 It's an amazing achievement.

00:54:35.000 As I said, Spain very good.

00:54:36.000 Lots of regular first team starters in the Spanish teams.

00:54:41.000 In American sport, they love it when they're still at college, don't they?

00:54:44.000 Right?

00:54:45.000 It's mad.

00:54:45.000 The college game in America is huge.

00:54:47.000 Like, everyone's just at school.

00:54:48.000 They're watching schoolboys doing basketball and schoolboys doing football.

00:54:52.000 Like, they don't mind.

00:54:53.000 They're like, that's alright.

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:55.000 They're good enough.

00:54:56.000 And if they're old enough, they're good enough.

00:54:57.000 That's what they say.

00:54:59.000 Ain't it?

00:55:00.000 It is!

00:55:01.000 And I bet that has an impact on, you know, the whole culture of the game and the way in which we always talk about how brilliant the draft system is in America.

00:55:10.000 Yeah.

00:55:11.000 And what a shame it is that we have to rely on ever-increasing massive transfers over here when they've got an amazing system in America.

00:55:17.000 It must be weird to have been watching, like, to have someone, like, playing for the Chicago Bulls.

00:55:23.000 Or the New York Giants, depending on the sport.

00:55:23.000 Yeah.

00:55:25.000 I know those are different sports.

00:55:27.000 Like, and think, I've known them since I was a little lad.

00:55:29.000 Yes.

00:55:30.000 Like I've been watching him when I was a little lad.

00:55:32.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 Sort of amazing to me.

00:55:33.000 Do you remember like during COVID when they, when they show football on the TV, English football, they used to, uh, like you could choose whether to watch it with crowd noise or not.

00:55:44.000 That's right.

00:55:45.000 I didn't bother with crowd noise.

00:55:46.000 I didn't, I didn't watch it.

00:55:47.000 I watched, I just listened to normal.

00:55:49.000 Like I want to hear people like on the sidelines.

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 I like being able to hear all that stuff.

00:55:57.000 I don't want to hear generic crowd noise like from a computer game.

00:56:00.000 I actually did.

00:56:01.000 Did you?

00:56:01.000 I put on crowd noise.

00:56:04.000 I missed it.

00:56:05.000 I missed it so much.

00:56:07.000 You're like Gazza sleeping with a vacuum cleaner on.

00:56:11.000 Very similar.

00:56:11.000 You are.

00:56:12.000 Some people can't sleep unless there's a vacuum cleaner on.

00:56:14.000 Let me know about that in the chat.

00:56:15.000 Some people can't even have a nice sleep unless there's a vacuum cleaner on.

00:56:19.000 I mean of all the things I heard about Gazza, climbing over people's fences, going through people's fridges in the

00:56:23.000 middle of the night, the thing that's been maddest to learn is he goes,

00:56:27.000 ah, night night then, off I go to the land of the old. 0.58

00:56:30.000 Vroooom! 0.94

00:56:32.000 Out like a light years, once I'm rid of the uber.

00:56:35.000 So is it just the noise that Gazza was hearing?

00:56:37.000 I hope you ain't got none of the attachments.

00:56:39.000 Exactly.

00:56:40.000 You don't want to be misusing it.

00:56:42.000 It's the eyes.

00:56:43.000 What you looking at me like that for Henry? 0.96

00:56:45.000 What the hell are you looking at?

00:56:46.000 I think there's a Henrietta now. 0.88

00:56:47.000 Even more dangerous.

00:56:48.000 What about the baby one?

00:56:49.000 Oh, no.

00:56:50.000 They're all vacuum cleaners, not people!

00:56:52.000 Nevertheless!

00:56:53.000 What, alright, what if it's a baby one?

00:56:55.000 But it's ten years, like, it's older than Nick?

00:56:55.000 No.

00:56:57.000 No.

00:56:58.000 Ah, listen, it's complicated territory, but football is nice.

00:57:01.000 And they're trafficking vacuum cleaners now. 1.00

00:57:03.000 Oh my god, we've made a film about trafficking! 1.00

00:57:06.000 You far-right lunatic! 1.00

00:57:06.000 Vacuum, please! 1.00

00:57:09.000 These Henry Hoovers have been tra- I met a Henry Hoover over at the border. 0.97

00:57:14.000 Oh, Gaza! 1.00

00:57:15.000 You're meant to be investigating a case! 0.98

00:57:17.000 I couldn't fucking help it, man! 0.98

00:57:18.000 As soon as I hear it, I go out like I'm fucking late! 0.98

00:57:21.000 It had a little badge on it saying Gaza. 0.96

00:57:25.000 That's a good reference to this moment in and out over the course of the week when we've been speaking to the Sound of Freedom filmmakers and Jesus actor Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard, the real life Jesus.

00:57:38.000 Well, he's a Jesus actor, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:57:40.000 Call him that, he likes it.

00:57:42.000 What else was I going to say?

00:57:44.000 So, well done them.

00:57:45.000 Well done the England Tour and the 21s.

00:57:47.000 That's brilliant.

00:57:48.000 What about West Ham?

00:57:49.000 We won the UFFA Cup.

00:57:49.000 Are you going to say well done to West Ham?

00:57:51.000 Yeah, well done.

00:57:52.000 No, but it's the international level.

00:57:54.000 It's amazing to me the disparity between people who just don't know that England won a major trophy, as if it was literally some of those players were just like a year older, or some of those players could still be playing for the England Under-21s.

00:58:06.000 But if it was the senior competition, it would make such a difference.

00:58:08.000 It's strange to me.

00:58:09.000 Yeah, but that's what football is about.

00:58:11.000 It's about hierarchies, and about distinction, and about boundaries.

00:58:15.000 You can't make people care.

00:58:16.000 You can't just force people to care.

00:58:19.000 I'm wearing this little jacket now, to celebrate that we're doing Football's Nice, and we've gone to the trouble of putting that there, and that there.

00:58:24.000 So, I think we should acknowledge that you're wearing that Hull City shirt, and I'm wearing this.

00:58:30.000 Gareth's going to be talking to one of his great heroes, Phil Brown, legendary Hull manager, Bolton assistant manager.

00:58:36.000 He's beloved in, what is the county?

00:58:39.000 Hull's basically Yorkshire.

00:58:41.000 East Yorkshire, yeah.

00:58:42.000 You can think what you want, but it's part of Yorkshire, isn't it?

00:58:44.000 Yeah, there was a bit of time when we were Humberside, but we're back to East Yorkshire now.

00:58:48.000 Yorkshire itself is a confusing place.

00:58:50.000 They're confusing people, aren't they?

00:58:52.000 Aren't they, the Yorkshire people?

00:58:53.000 We are.

00:58:54.000 They like that tea and everything.

00:58:55.000 Mm, that's right.

00:58:56.000 They're odd.

00:58:57.000 Okay, let's have a look at... It's good tea.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, let's have a look at, uh... I mean, it's all stolen from India, is the truth. 1.00

00:59:01.000 Let's have a look at, um... Let's have a look at our most British thing.

00:59:04.000 Where did you get it?

00:59:05.000 I just done a little business.

00:59:06.000 Yorkshire, I think.

00:59:08.000 Uh, sir?

00:59:09.000 No, no.

00:59:10.000 Right, let's have a look at whether or not West Ham United, my beloved football club, are going to buy any players.

00:59:16.000 Young Jack's gone to the trouble of making a graphic.

00:59:18.000 Those of you that have been following bad graphics, Jack's work, will be expecting a minor atrocity right now.

00:59:24.000 Let's see if he delivers.

00:59:26.000 Oh no, that wasn't very nice.

00:59:33.000 He kind of made that...

00:59:37.000 That's... Bad Graphics Jack's gone on the offensive, hasn't he?

00:59:40.000 He's very good.

00:59:41.000 He's actually saved his best work.

00:59:43.000 Did he do the shirt change?

00:59:44.000 Did he do the shirt change?

00:59:46.000 There's no way Jack did that.

00:59:48.000 No, he's not got them stones.

00:59:49.000 I bet he struggled to make that little watermark in the corner.

00:59:49.000 Not a chance.

00:59:52.000 I bet he's been up 36 hours doing that logo.

00:59:55.000 Right, my name's Bad Graphics Jack. 0.82

00:59:57.000 I bloody own it! 0.93

00:59:59.000 I'll reclaim it like the C-word or the N-word! 0.97

01:00:02.000 There!

01:00:03.000 I've reclaimed it!

01:00:04.000 I owns my bad graphics!

01:00:06.000 Well done, Jack.

01:00:07.000 He certainly does own bad graphics, he's the king of them.

01:00:09.000 Meanwhile, we've got lovely footage of a US commentator, inadvertently... Hang on, so West Ham, they're not getting anyone?

01:00:16.000 We're not getting anyone!

01:00:17.000 I want that lad out of Ajax, whose name I can't say, he's a midfielder.

01:00:17.000 Is that the news?

01:00:22.000 I want James Will Prowse out of James' club, Southampton.

01:00:25.000 And I want Harvey Barnes, but it looks like he's going to go to Newcastle now.

01:00:27.000 It does look like he's going to Newcastle.

01:00:29.000 It's not fair, we're going to end up spending the Declan money.

01:00:31.000 Yeah.

01:00:33.000 Sorry.

01:00:34.000 No, I do remember your point.

01:00:35.000 We'll need it.

01:00:35.000 But I said to Mum, by God, we'll need it.

01:00:37.000 I went to my mate, yesterday's Arsenal fan, and he just at the end went, thanks for Declan.

01:00:42.000 And I'd been talking about other stuff.

01:00:44.000 Emotions and things.

01:00:45.000 Welcome to my world, thanks.

01:00:48.000 I've been in your world.

01:00:49.000 Thanks for Jared Bowen.

01:00:50.000 Did I say things like that?

01:00:51.000 Every West Ham fan that I know, cheers for Gerard Byrne by the way, when he came, I remember saying to all the West Ham fans, he's bloody good, he's bloody good.

01:00:58.000 You did say that.

01:00:59.000 Unconvinced, unconvinced.

01:01:00.000 You did say that, you did say that.

01:01:02.000 Some people feel like his neck might be too thick.

01:01:04.000 But that's not a thing though, is it?

01:01:06.000 I mean, yes, maybe it is, but...

01:01:08.000 That's what some people's concern is.

01:01:10.000 All right, but why don't you, like, I think if we don't get Harvey Barnes and we don't get James Will Prowse and we don't get Ajax, lad, I'm going to be upset.

01:01:16.000 And if we don't get some sort of forward from Italy, I'm going to be upset.

01:01:20.000 He's got 20 goals in Serie A. I'll be upset.

01:01:23.000 I want something.

01:01:24.000 I want something to cheer me up.

01:01:25.000 Every time you do get an Italian striker, it doesn't really work out.

01:01:28.000 They put Antonio back in in the end.

01:01:31.000 Should we try someone other than... Nah, put Antonio back.

01:01:33.000 It's like you with a thumbnail.

01:01:38.000 Try this thing, it's foreign. 1.00

01:01:39.000 Ugh, I don't like it.

01:01:40.000 Put Antonio back in.

01:01:41.000 They do have an issue with strikers, West Ham.

01:01:43.000 I mean, Antonio used to be... We haven't had someone score 20 goals since, like, Frank McIverney.

01:01:47.000 Or Tony Conley.

01:01:47.000 Antonio started as a left-back or something, and then West Ham were just like, well, none of the strikers are working.

01:01:52.000 Ray Stewart, Stuart Pearce, he's just a full-back.

01:01:55.000 Yeah, the full-backs who are good at penalties often are our top scorers.

01:01:58.000 We ain't had someone... I think they're like... Did even Dean Ashton get 20 goals?

01:02:03.000 Who was the last West Ham striker to score?

01:02:05.000 Get Bad Graphics Jack to do that.

01:02:06.000 Defoe maybe?

01:02:07.000 I don't know.

01:02:08.000 Defoe?

01:02:09.000 Puyat probably got 20, didn't he, when he was then?

01:02:11.000 He wasn't a striker either.

01:02:11.000 Not in the season, not in the league.

01:02:14.000 Then he's a midfielder.

01:02:15.000 Wow, a long time ago.

01:02:16.000 While someone looks up that fact about Bad Graphics Jack, if he can stop building his CV, let's have a look at this US commentator sort of graduating into Mickey Mouse over the course of a goal.

01:02:29.000 Still with it on the right side.

01:02:30.000 Stepping over.

01:02:31.000 Sending it back for Lindsey.

01:02:32.000 Places it back into the area for Swiderski. 1.00

01:02:34.000 One touch!

01:02:34.000 He scores!

01:02:38.000 Another one for Stanarski!

01:02:40.000 And that one was more impressive than the first!

01:02:43.000 They stayed in that register for too long.

01:02:45.000 That's unbelievable.

01:02:46.000 Far too long.

01:02:47.000 You can still go, oh goal!

01:02:48.000 Like that and go there for a minute.

01:02:50.000 And then back to enjoying the game.

01:02:53.000 What a goal.

01:02:54.000 Don't stay there.

01:02:55.000 Oh man, actually I like it here.

01:02:56.000 Hey, I'm going to stay like this for the rest of my life.

01:02:59.000 Woohoo! 1.00

01:03:00.000 They lived in it.

01:03:01.000 They lived in it.

01:03:02.000 He did that voice and I thought, nah, that's me now.

01:03:05.000 Don't you ever think you could change your whole personality?

01:03:08.000 Yes, all the time.

01:03:08.000 This is one that I could be.

01:03:10.000 Oh, hello.

01:03:11.000 Yes, I could just be sort of like this.

01:03:12.000 It would be really easy to just sort of fall into this.

01:03:15.000 It's sort of relaxing to just sort of step through words very quietly like that and sort of be very meticulous.

01:03:23.000 Would you commit to doing that at least one day a week for the team?

01:03:26.000 The team would appreciate it, I think.

01:03:26.000 Do you prefer it?

01:03:28.000 Just for one day a week.

01:03:29.000 Because rather than the sort of swivel-eyed, rasputin, very intensely caring, and then suddenly cold.

01:03:37.000 I'll tell you now that Stevie G has gone from Rangers to Villa to Etifac FC.

01:03:46.000 Now, we have to be careful that we're not sort of xenophobic about clubs abroad, but he does sort of look a bit like a dictator sat behind that.

01:03:55.000 I think it's because of the fringes on them flags.

01:03:58.000 They're a bit fringy.

01:04:00.000 Aren't they?

01:04:01.000 There's a bit too much... They're a bit too 1970s porn when they need to be 2000s porn.

01:04:07.000 Right. 0.93

01:04:07.000 They need a waxing. 0.93

01:04:08.000 I see.

01:04:08.000 That's what I'm saying, those flags.

01:04:09.000 They're a bit fringy round the... Do we say Minji?

01:04:13.000 I don't think we do, no.

01:04:14.000 Not these days.

01:04:15.000 Not anymore.

01:04:15.000 No, we don't.

01:04:17.000 Stevie G, he's gone... Is he going to be alright over there, do you think?

01:04:20.000 Well, I think he'll probably be absolutely fine, won't he?

01:04:23.000 I just remembered, I went on holiday.

01:04:24.000 Right.

01:04:25.000 Like, over the summer, I didn't have a very nice time.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 I had to come home early.

01:04:30.000 It often happens to me on holidays.

01:04:31.000 I don't like holidays.

01:04:32.000 You should not go on holidays.

01:04:33.000 I don't like holidays.

01:04:34.000 Never go on one.

01:04:35.000 Every time you say to me, I'm going on a holiday, I think, well, it'll be back in a couple of days.

01:04:38.000 I had to come home.

01:04:39.000 I didn't like it.

01:04:40.000 There's nothing I could do.

01:04:40.000 Why?

01:04:42.000 It's because you don't really have autonomy when you go on a holiday.

01:04:45.000 You're just stuck there.

01:04:46.000 Autonomy for you is like Look, the main thing in your life is... It's the only thing I care about, isn't it?

01:04:50.000 Autonomy.

01:04:51.000 Autonomy.

01:04:52.000 Absolute freedom at any point.

01:04:52.000 Freedom.

01:04:53.000 You're going to be in this room.

01:04:55.000 You can only go to that place.

01:04:57.000 That's where you'll eat.

01:04:57.000 Those are limited options.

01:05:00.000 Get me out of this shithole! 0.94

01:05:01.000 So, like, I went to Dubai, and he was there. 0.99

01:05:04.000 Gerard.

01:05:04.000 Was he negotiating his deal?

01:05:06.000 I mean, I know Dubai ain't Saudi Arabia, but maybe it's a stop-off point.

01:05:09.000 Right.

01:05:10.000 Did you play a part in it?

01:05:11.000 He was at another hotel.

01:05:11.000 He was there.

01:05:12.000 And I actually, like, I chatted to these spouses at our hotel.

01:05:16.000 Which was one of the reasons... I'm only joking!

01:05:21.000 I love the people of Liverpool.

01:05:22.000 I love the people of Liverpool.

01:05:23.000 But I was like, oh, we see Stevie G the other day.

01:05:27.000 You know, he was nice as pie.

01:05:28.000 I was chatting to him and all.

01:05:29.000 And I was like, yeah, yeah, where is he?

01:05:31.000 And, oh, we see him over at the buffet.

01:05:32.000 I was like, oh, wicked.

01:05:33.000 I'll go check him out.

01:05:34.000 Anyway, perhaps he was over there.

01:05:36.000 I went to... Did you go to the buffet?

01:05:38.000 I can't imagine you were.

01:05:39.000 I did actually, it's a bloody good buffet.

01:05:40.000 You were at a buffet?

01:05:40.000 Yeah, it's good though.

01:05:41.000 It ain't like a buffet at like Pizza Hut or nothing.

01:05:45.000 Like, you've got whole areas and it's spot on.

01:05:48.000 Hang on, what do you mean areas?

01:05:51.000 Like, alright, Italy area.

01:05:53.000 Oh, I see, right, right.

01:05:54.000 And then like, fish food.

01:05:55.000 Does it have little flags on it?

01:05:56.000 Like that?

01:05:57.000 It looks like that.

01:05:58.000 If he'd been there, it would have been that.

01:06:00.000 Imagine some linguine in front of him.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, what do you want?

01:06:04.000 Do you want to go over there to the pizza section?

01:06:08.000 There's like a fish food section.

01:06:10.000 Or like seafood.

01:06:11.000 It's not fish food because that's just that limb dust.

01:06:13.000 Fish, they can't cope, can they?

01:06:14.000 A couple too many specks, that's it, I'm out.

01:06:18.000 Four specks!

01:06:20.000 One speck?

01:06:21.000 Two specks?

01:06:21.000 Three specks?

01:06:21.000 Lovely!

01:06:23.000 You idiots! 1.00

01:06:24.000 Stop eating! 1.00

01:06:26.000 So, the buffet, yeah, there's, you know, different continental foods, anyway, you can really go for it.

01:06:31.000 You can actually mess yourself up.

01:06:32.000 And then the whole dessert area, you know, that's the nature of a Dubai-ology.

01:06:35.000 You're very good around desserts, I've noticed.

01:06:37.000 I can't do it.

01:06:38.000 I have to stay away because I get addicted.

01:06:39.000 It's unbelievable.

01:06:39.000 You're out.

01:06:40.000 I have to.

01:06:41.000 I've watched you around them recently.

01:06:42.000 Look, a cheesecake could finish me off.

01:06:44.000 That's, you know, which is better than finishing off with a cheesecake until you're dead.

01:06:44.000 Right.

01:06:49.000 The other thing that happened is I went to the Wet Wildy.

01:06:49.000 Right?

01:06:52.000 Sorry?

01:06:53.000 I went to the Wet Wildy water park.

01:06:55.000 It's too beige.

01:06:57.000 Like, it's a water park, but everything's a bit too beige.

01:06:59.000 Like the pipes.

01:07:00.000 Right.

01:07:01.000 Is that because it's, like, old?

01:07:01.000 Too beige.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, it's too old.

01:07:04.000 Right.

01:07:04.000 And, like, as you know, Muslim women will wear a burqa swimming costume.

01:07:10.000 So they're wearing swimming burqa. 0.97

01:07:12.000 What's weird is, like, we all know what a water park is in the kind of cultures, sort of like, you know, I'm guessing, I don't know, you.

01:07:18.000 Do you live in America?

01:07:19.000 Do you live in Canada?

01:07:20.000 Our data suggests, not that we look at your individual data, but collectively, you're anglophonic.

01:07:25.000 Only when we sell it.

01:07:26.000 Only when we bundle that up does!

01:07:27.000 We don't bundle it up, we don't do that.

01:07:30.000 Most of you are in America, or Australia, or Canada, or UK, right?

01:07:34.000 That's basically it.

01:07:35.000 And all of us know what a theme park is in our countries.

01:07:38.000 When you go to Wetawauldi theme park... You think I'm not saying it right, don't you?

01:07:42.000 Why don't you just come clean and own up that you think I'm not saying Wetawauldi?

01:07:46.000 Well, because you say words strangely.

01:07:48.000 I don't?

01:07:49.000 You say Tamarau, for example.

01:07:51.000 Like, Wet Wildy.

01:07:52.000 Look it up, right?

01:07:53.000 Wet Wildy.

01:07:53.000 I bet you can find a trailer for it on YouTube.

01:07:55.000 I went to Wet Wildy, and like, it's like a normal waterpark theme park, except you can have a thing where you get your feet nibbled by a fish.

01:08:01.000 In a waterpark?

01:08:02.000 There's a foot nibbled by a fish section.

01:08:04.000 I ain't even joking.

01:08:05.000 Do they tell you that that's happening?

01:08:06.000 Because otherwise I'd be terrified.

01:08:07.000 Yeah, you have to pay extra.

01:08:08.000 You pay extra.

01:08:09.000 That's not included in the cover price.

01:08:11.000 You go in.

01:08:11.000 Right.

01:08:12.000 Oh, this is amazing.

01:08:13.000 Do you want your feet nibbled by a fish?

01:08:15.000 Yes, I do.

01:08:16.000 It's extra.

01:08:18.000 So it's not like you come off a water slide and into a pool and then you're suddenly attacked.

01:08:23.000 There's some areas, right, where the people... It's weird because it feels adjacent to a disaster.

01:08:29.000 Because you're sort of in these rubber rings floating around and there's people that work there.

01:08:33.000 And because they don't also, the people, I feel like a lot of people may have come from African nations to work there, they are not using the typical set of customary facial expressions that we would associate with a theme park worker.

01:08:45.000 Yeah.

01:08:45.000 Like if you meet someone at Disney World, or Six Flags, or even Chessington World of Adventures, there's this wild waddy.

01:08:52.000 Yeah, what did I call it?

01:08:53.000 Wildy.

01:08:54.000 Yeah, wild waddy. 1.00

01:08:55.000 Like, like, you know, there's a sort of a, like, hello, sort of, there's a chirpiness.

01:08:58.000 That's right.

01:08:59.000 There's a sort of a cultural trepidus.

01:09:00.000 Now remember, this is not a Western country, Dubai, and those people are not from Dubai either.

01:09:07.000 So there's, it's unrecognisable, the, like, aesthetically, look here, that's what Wet Wildy looked like.

01:09:12.000 Wow.

01:09:13.000 It's a bit scary.

01:09:14.000 It is very beige.

01:09:16.000 What you get in Wet Wildy is the worst kind of recognised for a famous person.

01:09:20.000 The worst kind of recognised is, like, recognise you and then you have to tell them who you are.

01:09:25.000 I hate that kind of recognised.

01:09:27.000 How does that go then in reality?

01:09:30.000 Who are you?

01:09:30.000 Excuse me?

01:09:33.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:09:37.000 Well you know what you need to do then. 1.00

01:09:38.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:09:38.000 I'm Johnny Depp. 1.00

01:09:41.000 You need to bring out your other personality.

01:09:43.000 I don't know.

01:09:43.000 I'm no one.

01:09:44.000 Leave me be.

01:09:45.000 I'm just trying to enjoy Wet Wildy.

01:09:47.000 I'm just trying to have a nice time.

01:09:48.000 I've got fish eating my feet.

01:09:49.000 There's some fish eating my feet, sir.

01:09:53.000 Sorry, that isn't one of the options here.

01:09:55.000 Is that a video of it, or is that just a still of it?

01:09:57.000 When we were over there, they recognised me, and they wanted to talk to me and everything.

01:10:01.000 Oh, look, here's a video of Wet Wildy, and then we'll have a look at some Hull news, and then we're gonna meet one of Gayle's great heroes, Phil Brown.

01:10:09.000 Let's have a look at Wet Wildy.

01:10:11.000 They're trying a Disney font there.

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 That's sort of like a Disney-ish font.

01:10:22.000 Look at them W's, Disney-ish.

01:10:24.000 You know.

01:10:25.000 Sometimes it gets a bit too cold and you get a bit depressed.

01:10:35.000 I will say, it's not very good this, is it?

01:10:39.000 Well, all the money they're spending on Premier League players, you'd think they'd have more budget for this.

01:10:43.000 Invest a bit in your... They've used the same kid on about three or four different shorts.

01:10:47.000 I'm sick and tired of seeing this kid.

01:10:48.000 I'm only going to see this kid in a moustache in a minute.

01:10:51.000 Come down the stairs.

01:10:54.000 I'm just going downstairs now.

01:10:56.000 That kid, I've seen him ten times.

01:11:02.000 Our hotel backed on it.

01:11:03.000 That was good, that wave machine.

01:11:07.000 I didn't have a go at that.

01:11:11.000 Why are they not showing the fish?

01:11:12.000 They're not featuring that, are they?

01:11:14.000 No, no.

01:11:14.000 I think the fish were a mistake all along.

01:11:17.000 I think that that's an infestation.

01:11:18.000 Oh, and here you can... Also, wouldn't you like to have these rats scurrying about, laying eggs in your hair?

01:11:27.000 Rats lay eggs? 0.99

01:11:28.000 You gotta pay extra! 1.00

01:11:28.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

01:11:29.000 Okay! 1.00

01:11:30.000 There you go!

01:11:31.000 I don't even know what this stuff is!

01:11:32.000 Give it to Stevie! 1.00

01:11:33.000 Look, there's that kid!

01:11:34.000 Again?!

01:11:34.000 Wow!

01:11:36.000 This is a bad video.

01:11:43.000 They're too close up, aren't they?

01:11:46.000 You want to feature, there were better things, it weren't as bad as this.

01:11:49.000 You're actually now moved from, I didn't enjoy myself to, it was better than this!

01:11:53.000 Even though it was bad, it's not as bad as they're making it look.

01:11:55.000 Wet Waddy.

01:11:57.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:12:04.000 That's the stuff!

01:12:05.000 That's me!

01:12:06.000 I was in one of them and I felt a bit like, you know that film about a tsunami?

01:12:10.000 Where it's you and McGregor and he gets separated from his family?

01:12:12.000 I felt a bit like him.

01:12:14.000 Oh yeah, very similar, yeah.

01:12:16.000 They should have got you to play that really because of your real life experience at Wet Waddy.

01:12:20.000 I'll tell you what.

01:12:21.000 You know, you and Whitney's in that film where you lost your family.

01:12:24.000 That's a bit like my experience of a wet wedding.

01:12:27.000 Like, I got separated, not long, but from my wife.

01:12:30.000 We see him, we say we got separated from one of my daughters and my missus.

01:12:33.000 It's not the same thing, Russell.

01:12:34.000 We was going down a brown tube, I go, NINO!

01:12:37.000 COME BACK!

01:12:37.000 You're still alright!

01:12:38.000 Do you remember us?

01:12:39.000 It was only half an hour ago.

01:12:41.000 I just went to get my foot nibbled by a fish.

01:12:43.000 Got a bit of that old dry fish foot skin nibbled off by a fish.

01:12:47.000 You don't want that in your mind.

01:12:49.000 No.

01:12:50.000 Like don't go to Chessington World of Adventures. 1.00

01:12:52.000 And then, you wash your dick. 1.00

01:12:52.000 No. 1.00

01:12:55.000 Hahaha!

01:12:57.000 Sorry, I was on the edge.

01:12:59.000 I was on the edge.

01:13:00.000 Hygiene and fun should nary mix.

01:13:03.000 All the things you have to put out of your mind when you go to a swimming pool are things like... They've just got people's mangled feet in this pool.

01:13:11.000 And their genitals. 1.00

01:13:12.000 Genitals. 0.54

01:13:12.000 Foot skin. 0.54

01:13:14.000 Verrucas.

01:13:14.000 Anus.

01:13:15.000 Okay. 0.84

01:13:16.000 What if the anus is relaxing? 0.97

01:13:16.000 Anus. 0.97

01:13:17.000 Hang on, who's getting the bombs out? 1.00

01:13:19.000 Well, your anus is in your trunk. 1.00

01:13:20.000 What did you do in there? 0.99

01:13:22.000 Is that why you had to leave early?

01:13:24.000 They're very strict over there.

01:13:24.000 They chucked me out.

01:13:25.000 Get out! 0.98

01:13:27.000 You gotta respect our traditions!

01:13:29.000 Why did you put the fish up there?

01:13:32.000 Respect our traditions!

01:13:33.000 Sorry, I forgot it's an Arab nation.

01:13:35.000 Not even that!

01:13:36.000 Just human traditions!

01:13:38.000 Don't do that to one of our foot fish! 1.00

01:13:41.000 Yeah, no, they checked me out.

01:13:43.000 I had a nice time though, all said and done.

01:13:46.000 That's why I recommend, and now I'm the new ambassador for, Wet Wildy.

01:13:50.000 Listen, we can't talk about this all day, not when we've got one of your great heroes, a man who changed the face of British football, mostly because of his own face.

01:14:00.000 He had one of them Britney Spears mics for a minute there, like he did that.

01:14:05.000 He was very much an innovator.

01:14:08.000 Well, tell me why, before we introduce him, tell me why you love Phil Brown.

01:14:13.000 Well, I think he's an incredibly charismatic personality.

01:14:16.000 So am I?

01:14:17.000 Yeah.

01:14:18.000 It's not a comparison.

01:14:18.000 Oh, sorry.

01:14:20.000 He got us promoted to the Premier League.

01:14:21.000 Did you?

01:14:22.000 No.

01:14:23.000 I wasn't able.

01:14:23.000 My team's floundered in the lower reaches of League One.

01:14:27.000 Didn't even get to the professional flight.

01:14:28.000 And I'd say in coming up, we've played a very exciting kind of brand of football, the mixture of personalities, Dean Winder.

01:14:35.000 I mean, we'll get into it in a minute.

01:14:36.000 All right, shall we?

01:14:37.000 Yeah, sure.

01:14:38.000 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to our show, and this is a great honour for Gareth as a whole fan, and me as a football fan, and for you as an American, you're probably confused, but you're gonna have to bloody well learn to lump it.

01:14:50.000 And welcome, Phil Brown.

01:14:52.000 Alright, Phil?

01:14:52.000 How are you?

01:14:54.000 Really good, mate.

01:14:55.000 Really good.

01:14:56.000 How are you getting on?

01:14:57.000 Well, I've been listening to you guys for the last half an hour, and I'm fascinated.

01:15:01.000 It's a brilliant show, by the way.

01:15:02.000 It's superb.

01:15:03.000 Thanks, mate.

01:15:04.000 Thanks.

01:15:04.000 You still look well handsome.

01:15:07.000 I've just come off the golf course, Russell.

01:15:09.000 I'm just getting my handicap down.

01:15:11.000 Where are you living?

01:15:12.000 I'm in Oxfordshire.

01:15:16.000 I was managing Southend for the second time around and I got the call from Swindon.

01:15:21.000 Halfway across was Oxfordshire and I just stopped in the Cotswolds and decided to build a house and a life there.

01:15:27.000 Beautiful.

01:15:28.000 Where are you managing?

01:15:28.000 So what's going on now?

01:15:31.000 I'm not managing at the moment.

01:15:32.000 I'm doing majority of my work with the BBC and with the Indian Super League.

01:15:38.000 I'm going across there for their 10th season next year.

01:15:41.000 They're coming up slowly but surely in terms of the world rankings.

01:15:46.000 They're hopefully going to qualify for a World Cup.

01:15:48.000 In the next four years, if not eight years.

01:15:50.000 So there's a lot of input with regards to British football as well, going over there, and British managers more importantly.

01:15:57.000 But when I'm back home, I'm working for the BBC, Radio 5, just keeping my eye in, waiting for the next job coming along.

01:16:04.000 Global games changing a lot.

01:16:05.000 We're sort of fascinated by what's happening in the MLS and the unique deal that was put together for Lionel Messi.

01:16:11.000 Like, he was played by the league, he was played by the sponsors, he was played by the broadcasters.

01:16:16.000 We're obviously fascinated, as the world is, by what's happening in Saudi Arabia and the kind of complexity about that.

01:16:21.000 Like, you know, the weird territorial and think like, oh, the Premier League's got to be the best league in the world.

01:16:26.000 There's similar, I don't know, prejudices, you might call them, exist about Indian football.

01:16:31.000 Is the game popular over there?

01:16:32.000 I've always thought that it's a cricketing nation, primarily.

01:16:36.000 How is the nation of India taking to football?

01:16:40.000 Well, it's strange enough, Russ, when I went across there about four years, five years ago, as a manager, I managed a team called Pune City, which is a suburb of Mumbai.

01:16:48.000 But you're talking about a suburb of Mumbai.

01:16:50.000 It takes about two hours to fly there, let alone, you know, it's a big old place, you know.

01:16:54.000 And then I managed Hyderabad.

01:16:56.000 which was again, just the selling of a franchise, you move to another area and it's another three,

01:17:02.000 four hours away, but it's such a big place, such a vast place as well, 1.4 billion,

01:17:07.000 but 95% love cricket.

01:17:09.000 So you're up against it.

01:17:10.000 And I've never been in that prejudice world of being second, if not third, if not fourth,

01:17:15.000 in terms of league, in terms of the rankings of how popular you are.

01:17:21.000 So it was a real tough gig when I went over there.

01:17:24.000 And one of the biggest clangers I dropped was when I was speaking to the Times of India.

01:17:28.000 First interview, I just said, when an Indian boy or girl is born,

01:17:32.000 I wanna put a football in her hand instead of a cricket ball. 1.00

01:17:35.000 Well, there was absolute carnage, backlash, you name it.

01:17:38.000 So it was a difficult gig, there's no doubt about it.

01:17:40.000 But from a football perspective, you know, the teams are improving, you know.

01:17:45.000 Simon Grayson has just gone across there, who's well-renowned in England, in terms of, you know, managed probably seven, eight, nine clubs in England.

01:17:53.000 He's gone across there and did a great job at Bangalore, and he's staying there for the next year, so hopefully he builds that brand, and the club gets bigger, and hopefully the whole Indian gig gets bigger, and they can win a World Cup at one stage.

01:18:08.000 Gareth, our co-host and producer, loves you because he's a Hull fan.

01:18:13.000 He loves you for bringing Hull up.

01:18:15.000 The rest of us fans of the game love you for some of the unique moments you brought to the top flight.

01:18:20.000 You know what I'm going to be talking about.

01:18:22.000 I'm going to be talking about the serenade, the on-pitch halftime team talk.

01:18:27.000 We'll be talking about that kind of stuff.

01:18:28.000 But I'm going to hand over now to Gareth so that he can get all excited and hysterical about you.

01:18:35.000 So, Gareth, please meet Phil Brown.

01:18:37.000 Phil, it's an absolute joy to meet you.

01:18:39.000 I mean, Russell's right, you are a hero to me and thanks for making me one of the happiest people in the world in 2008.

01:18:45.000 It was an incredible day, an incredible season and Russell was just asking me beforehand about why you're so special to so many Hull fans.

01:18:57.000 I think it was a lot about the way we came up Rather than just that it was the first time we'd ever been in the Premier League.

01:19:04.000 So I just want to ask you in terms of, I would say, you know, you have legendary status along with Peter Taylor and Steve Bruce.

01:19:12.000 What's it kind of like to go from, I don't know, assistant manager under Allardyce and then having, I guess, aspirations of becoming a A first team manager and then the kind of things that you achieved at Hull to then, obviously, you know, you've managed other places.

01:19:30.000 I know you had success at Southend, but in the way that I guess footballers, there must always be a bit of a struggle when it comes to kind of retirement from the game.

01:19:40.000 What's it like for you as a manager to go from that huge as I say legendary status at Hull to having different kind of experiences elsewhere that maybe don't hit the kind of heights that you've had previously?

01:19:53.000 Well thanks first and foremost for the introduction Gareth and yes I did really enjoy my time at Hull City there's no doubt about it but I am sort of in that Frame of mind, if you like, where you're talking about the levels that you reach in terms of management, the levels that you reach in terms of coaching and playing and, you know, to be an electrician.

01:20:15.000 Back in 1979-80 and you go from that to going into the game.

01:20:21.000 So you're on the terraces first and foremost as a supporter and that's the most important part.

01:20:26.000 I heard you and Russell talk and Russell's a supporter at West Ham I believe.

01:20:30.000 When you're on the terraces and you start feeling and believing and saying things that you can actually support, You're supported in different ways.

01:20:38.000 You're supported by finances.

01:20:40.000 You're supported by being there through thick and thin.

01:20:42.000 You're supported by eventually crossing the white line and becoming a footballer.

01:20:47.000 If eventually for your own team, that's fantastic.

01:20:50.000 If it's not, then you've got to still give that level of commitment to whoever you're playing for, whoever you're coaching, whoever you're managing.

01:20:57.000 And that's fortunately what I was born with.

01:20:59.000 I think my parents are responsible for that.

01:21:01.000 But the commitment levels, when I was chucked in at any football club, Was 100% full on.

01:21:07.000 And you've got the real Phil Brown, as it were, whether that was charismatic to some supporters and not to others, it doesn't matter to me.

01:21:15.000 I was just trying to be me.

01:21:16.000 And trying to be me was that supporter blessed with a little bit of talent that I could play, then blessed with a little bit of talent that I could then coach, and then a little bit of talent that I could manage.

01:21:27.000 To get Hull City to the Premier League was just a great achievement, but it wasn't me, it was everybody.

01:21:33.000 It was a combined effort on all fronts, and I mean that so much.

01:21:36.000 I used to go into the schools in Hull, in Humberside, and to understand the people of Humberside was the most important part.

01:21:44.000 For me to understand that, it was almost three generations of deprivation, where the fishing industry in the 12-mile radius had brought Hull to a standstill.

01:21:53.000 And it was great listening to you guys talking about Yorkshire.

01:21:56.000 Is it Yorkshire?

01:21:56.000 Is it the Ridings?

01:21:57.000 Is it, you know, is it Humberside?

01:21:59.000 What is it?

01:22:00.000 And you have that sense of belonging because you have an area of what you support your team through thick and thin.

01:22:05.000 And once you get that, I think it can take anybody, anywhere, as long as you have buy-in from everybody.

01:22:11.000 And I thought we had buy-in from every person I spoke to, whether it was a child going into the schools, whether it was a retired grandfather who had been In the shipyards or in the ships, 25, 30 years ago, whether it be women, children, it didn't matter who it was, we just had buy-ins from everybody.

01:22:29.000 Do you mind if I just ask one more because I completely agree with you and I think that I really think that promotion to the Premier League obviously would gone up in the previous few seasons and that meant a lot to the city but I think the promotion to the Premier League after decades and decades of being the butt of jokes of the city obviously we're the second most bombed city after London in the war you know this is a city You know, this is a city that needed something good to happen to it.

01:22:59.000 And it literally, I think, put Hull on the map.

01:23:01.000 And for the people of Hull to be seeing their team on Match of the Day, to be in the Premier League, I think was just one of the biggest things to happen to the city ever.

01:23:10.000 And so I agree with you.

01:23:12.000 I think buying into how much of a difference it made to the people of Hull just through football, I think is an incredible thing.

01:23:21.000 Two things from my perspective, Gareth.

01:23:25.000 Your facial expression talking to me compared to your facial expression talking to Russell.

01:23:30.000 You are so serious. 0.99

01:23:32.000 You are so in the hole.

01:23:33.000 And then you enter the comedy side of things.

01:23:35.000 And the face is brilliant.

01:23:37.000 Absolutely fantastic.

01:23:38.000 But this is a true story.

01:23:39.000 And, Russell, being a West Ham supporter, you'll know what I mean.

01:23:43.000 Man of the people and all that.

01:23:44.000 You've got to really buy into the way people are in the area.

01:23:48.000 And I remember, do you remember the Duke of Northumberland?

01:23:51.000 I think the Duke of Cumberland called me North Ferriby.

01:23:54.000 I used to live in North Fairbairn.

01:23:55.000 When I finished a game, I used to go in there for a pint and then go home.

01:23:59.000 And I went in this pub this time, and I had all my family with me.

01:24:02.000 And there was a big, strong-looking, strapping lad.

01:24:05.000 Hull City fan.

01:24:06.000 Tattoos, H-U-F-C on his hands. 0.99

01:24:08.000 You know, proper supporter.

01:24:10.000 And he came straight over to me, and he was in my face.

01:24:13.000 Stopped staring at my wife.

01:24:15.000 Stopped staring at my wife.

01:24:16.000 And I thought, what do I do with this?

01:24:18.000 What do I do with this?

01:24:20.000 So I looked at him, and I went, I ain't looking at your wife. 0.90

01:24:22.000 And I had to be careful, because if I wasn't looking at his wife, why is she not good-looking? 0.97

01:24:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:28.000 That kind of crack.

01:24:29.000 And he went, hold on a second.

01:24:31.000 I'm just joking.

01:24:32.000 You have brought pride back to this football club.

01:24:35.000 I like to have a fight, an organized fight before a game of football.

01:24:39.000 And whatever city I walk into, we couldn't walk in with any pride whatsoever because we're bottom of this league, we're bottom of that league.

01:24:47.000 You put the pride in me walking back into any pub, any pub now with Hull City supporter and putting it, you know, like putting an organized fight on.

01:24:55.000 I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.

01:24:57.000 I've supported Sunderland all my life.

01:24:59.000 Organised fighting.

01:25:00.000 I just had nothing to do with it.

01:25:02.000 I was just there on the terraces, trying to make as much noise as I possibly can.

01:25:06.000 But therein lies a story where West Ham's concerned.

01:25:09.000 They liked an organised fight as well, didn't they?

01:25:12.000 Phil Brown there restoring pride to the hooligans of Hull so that his Mackham kin can get beaten up on derby day with real pride and force. 1.00

01:25:22.000 One of the things that comes across right clear from you, Phil, is that connection is What's important to you, connection to the fans, connection to your players.

01:25:31.000 And I liked those moments where you took unusual choices and unusual risks that I imagine came from the fact that you're a person from a normal background, a football fan yourself, a football man, as they say, to use the famous phrase.

01:25:45.000 And I feel that that is beautiful to experience as a fan and as a viewer, the success that you achieved with Hull.

01:25:53.000 And also that you've stayed connected to your relationship to fans, as the last story demonstrates.

01:26:00.000 Is it also true that as a Sparky, you still use your electrician skills even when you was managing Southend to fix the electrics?

01:26:10.000 Is that true?

01:26:11.000 Russ, listen, true story.

01:26:14.000 We're playing Millwall.

01:26:15.000 It's an FA Cup.

01:26:17.000 I think Millwall may have been two divisions above us.

01:26:19.000 They were definitely championship.

01:26:21.000 We were in the first or the second division.

01:26:23.000 And it was a massive game.

01:26:24.000 We had about 11,000-12,000 at the game.

01:26:26.000 They had 2,000-2,500 travelling fans, which wasn't too far away, Millwall at South End.

01:26:31.000 Anyway, it was a proper game of football.

01:26:33.000 20 minutes into the game, we're 1-0 up, and there's a power failure.

01:26:39.000 The lights come off.

01:26:41.000 And we're looking around and trying to find out what the reason is.

01:26:45.000 I'm looking to my right hand side, knowing full well the ground and how it was built, etc, etc.

01:26:49.000 I used to walk around the ground on a Friday before a game when it was empty and just get a feel for the vibe.

01:26:55.000 And, you know, it doesn't matter where you are, the old grounds have still got the breathing.

01:26:59.000 Even when they're empty, they're breathing, they've got history, it's beautiful to be involved in that.

01:27:05.000 So I used to go, it was part of my job, to walk around the grounds, whichever club I was at, on a Friday, and you'd maybe hear the grass being cut and this, that and the other, there was a couple of people, maintenance people working, and I used to find out where the cable used to come in, how the lights were built and this, that and the other.

01:27:22.000 The lights have gone out, it's about 15 minutes till here, and I'm standing on the touchline, which is an elevated grass pitch, and my chairman, Ron Martin, taps me on the shoulder, and I spin round thinking it's the referee or something.

01:27:36.000 I spin round, it's the chairman, he went, Brownie, he said, you used to be an electrician, didn't you?

01:27:41.000 And I went, yes I did.

01:27:43.000 He said, you couldn't find out what the problem is.

01:27:46.000 So I went down and it was a fuse had gone.

01:27:49.000 A fuse had gone.

01:27:50.000 So eventually we fixed the fuse and I put it back in and they come round and I look on the pitch and I'm looking at the lights and the lights are not coming on.

01:27:58.000 And they're all looking at me as if I'm some kind of useless electrician.

01:28:02.000 But it wasn't.

01:28:03.000 They were halogen lights.

01:28:05.000 And when a halogen light You have to wait until it calms down, so it cools down first, before it sparks up again.

01:28:12.000 So when I fixed this fuse, it was a 10-15 minute period of the bulb cooling down and then sparking up.

01:28:19.000 Before you know it, it's sparking, going all over the place.

01:28:22.000 Next thing you know, the lights are on.

01:28:23.000 We win the game.

01:28:24.000 Yes!

01:28:25.000 We beat Global 4-1.

01:28:26.000 We get to the next round of the Cup, and I think we played home, actually, in the next round of the Cup.

01:28:31.000 That's a beautiful story.

01:28:32.000 You brought back the light to Roots Hall, you beat Millwall.

01:28:35.000 What a fantastic story.

01:28:38.000 Gareth ain't even the only Hull fan in this building, so when you're talking in the gallery, we've got Ed, who also works here, who's from Hull, just nodding and wiping away the occasional tear.

01:28:49.000 We want to take it to an even higher sentimental plane by showing this moment where you serenaded the crowd there after avoiding relegation in 2009.

01:28:58.000 Let's have a look at that together.

01:29:03.000 Let me go home!

01:29:07.000 This is the best trip I've ever been on.

01:29:09.000 Let me go home!

01:29:19.000 This is the best trip I've ever been on.

01:29:25.000 Beautiful.

01:29:26.000 Electrician, singer, football manager.

01:29:30.000 What an array of skills.

01:29:31.000 And sending Newcastle down as well.

01:29:33.000 I mean, that must have been amazing.

01:29:37.000 We did the Great North Run.

01:29:38.000 All of the backroom staff did the Great North Run that year.

01:29:40.000 And obviously it's from Newcastle and South Shields.

01:29:44.000 I was born and bred in South Shields.

01:29:45.000 So I'm running 13 male foot charity.

01:29:47.000 There was six or seven of the backroom staff and we've all got Hull City tops on.

01:29:51.000 Just made all my backroom staff do it.

01:29:52.000 It was just a brilliant day.

01:29:54.000 But little did I know, that year we sent down not just Newcastle, we sent Middlesbrough down as well.

01:30:00.000 Sunderland survived, but we sent two North East teams down.

01:30:03.000 It wasn't a nice place to be.

01:30:06.000 No.

01:30:07.000 I was spat at many a time.

01:30:08.000 Yeah, you could have maybe done that run in maybe a costume, like Honey Monster, or Mr Blobby or something, a little bit sensible.

01:30:16.000 Or maybe Elvis.

01:30:18.000 Yeah, something like that, and then you can bring the crooning back into it.

01:30:21.000 Phil, I think what you are able to embody and bring the spirit of is the thing that this podcast and aspect of our show is actually about.

01:30:31.000 That football creates a sense of unity and celebrates aspects of a culture that are pretty easy to malign and dismiss.

01:30:38.000 I think the kind of populist politics that have emerged in the last 10-20 years are kind of as a result of the ongoing malignment of particular communities and members of that community and being Like a man of the north of England being from the class that you're evidently from.

01:30:54.000 It's beautiful to hear the way that you can represent that community positively and the way that the game offers an opportunity to show unity, good spirits.

01:31:06.000 It's interesting to see the national game become increasingly international and yet increasingly commodified.

01:31:13.000 Phil, do you sometimes feel that the game that we are celebrating in this kind of conversation will be lost as it becomes increasingly corporatized?

01:31:23.000 I'm thinking about like the idea that You know, the manager's walking around the ground, knows who the maintenance staff are, and if the halogen lights go down, might be asked to pop in at a basement and change a fuse.

01:31:35.000 I mean, that's unlikely to happen at the Etihad, or, you know, like... I don't reckon Pep Guardiola... He can do a lot of things, Pep.

01:31:42.000 Pep, the sprinklers ain't working!

01:31:44.000 I don't know what to do.

01:31:45.000 It's not my problem.

01:31:47.000 It's not something you're imagining.

01:31:49.000 Do you ever wonder if the essence of the game could be lost in its increasing commercialisation?

01:31:56.000 There is a worry, of course.

01:31:58.000 The size of the game.

01:32:00.000 I'm going back to the day when I used to stand on the terraces and watch Sunderland.

01:32:03.000 Did I know who the manager was?

01:32:05.000 Did I know who the owners were?

01:32:07.000 You had no idea at the time.

01:32:09.000 You were just a kid on the terraces watching a game of football.

01:32:11.000 You knew the team inside out.

01:32:13.000 I was very fortunate that I was at Wembley for the 1973 Cup Final against Leeds.

01:32:19.000 I remember Jimmy Montgomery presenting me with a trophy when I was at school and that gave me the The impetus, the excitement, the drive to actually eventually become a pro footballer.

01:32:30.000 Double save against Leeds United, winning 1-0, Ian Porterfield scoring a goal.

01:32:34.000 All of these things were part and parcel, but I didn't know who the manager was until the crazy lunatic runs across the pitch, runs past the captain, runs past the goalscorer, and all he wants to do is embrace the goalkeeper, Jimmy Montgomery, and that was Bob Stokewell.

01:32:49.000 And that was my first recollection of who the manager was.

01:32:53.000 And what he then went on to do and where he went after that.

01:32:57.000 So all of them things, I think the game's progressed in a real positive way, no doubt about it, until the moment that the Premier League was invented and then it became this global icon.

01:33:09.000 I was just thinking about this before I came on the show today.

01:33:12.000 When we first started in, was it 92, 93, 94, the Premier League, you had Sir Alex Ferguson there at the helm and he drove it basically from a management perspective.

01:33:22.000 Well, the Premier League itself was only, I think it was about 60-65% British players, but that's been squeezed the other way now.

01:33:30.000 It's probably more or less 75% foreign players, foreign ownership.

01:33:35.000 But that doesn't make it any worse or better.

01:33:38.000 That just makes it a global brand.

01:33:41.000 I think the British are still hanging in there.

01:33:44.000 But you have to.

01:33:45.000 You really have to.

01:33:47.000 You've got to have your managers like your Davey Moyes that is doing a great job at West Ham.

01:33:52.000 If West Ham could have gone down this year and won a European title, that would have been scandalous from what Davey Moyes has done in the game.

01:34:01.000 So Alex Ferguson, if you like, to a certain extent, you know, he got the baton at Manchester United and then did it fail?

01:34:07.000 Or was it just too big a club?

01:34:09.000 Is West Ham a right fit for him?

01:34:11.000 All of them things I think are in place.

01:34:13.000 Sam Allardyce, you know, eight or nine Premier League clubs.

01:34:17.000 You've got father figures, in my opinion, that I set a great example to me and now the up-and-coming breed of young coaches.

01:34:27.000 Am I lost to the game now?

01:34:29.000 I think the game is played in a wonderful way, fantastic way.

01:34:29.000 I don't think so.

01:34:33.000 And hats off to Pep Guardiola, hats off to Man City for the way they've produced a great team.

01:34:38.000 But if you look at what Pep Guardiola's done, he brought in a number nine, a proper old-fashioned number nine.

01:34:45.000 When everybody was buying false nines, no nines, they were playing three up front, they were doing all sorts of things that Man City were doing five years ago.

01:34:53.000 He then brings in Haaland, who then scores 48 goals or whatever it was, wins three trophies, and he's gone back to the number nine.

01:35:00.000 But if you look at the four semi-finalists in the Champions League, all four of them had big number nines.

01:35:05.000 So it's just cycles, Russell, what I'm trying to say, Gareth.

01:35:09.000 You know, it's just becoming cycles.

01:35:10.000 And if you've got to hang in there, you've got to make sure that you keep on believing in yourself, believe in what you believe in, and it comes round again.

01:35:17.000 Beautiful day.

01:35:18.000 You said a lot there, mate, because I think that one of the things that I was fascinated to hear that you didn't even used to think of who the manager was.

01:35:25.000 And I was trying to think of like, you know, when I started to really think about West Ham, I was probably like 10, 11.

01:35:29.000 It was like the 86 side, John Lyle.

01:35:32.000 But the players then were like Cotty and Makaveni.

01:35:34.000 And Makaveni had all this allure and glamour and craziness around him.

01:35:39.000 He was my sort of first favourite footballer.

01:35:42.000 But as I've gone on to watch the game more, if not understand it with any more depth, I've become increasingly interested in the managers.

01:35:51.000 And you said yourself, because they become kind of like father figures, leaders.

01:35:55.000 That's what you're really, I believe, at least, that we're looking at, is models of leadership.

01:36:00.000 And how is it that a particular manager Can transform the fortunes of a club?

01:36:07.000 How is it that you can captivate a city, a town, a nation through charisma, through will, through sort of cunning and guile?

01:36:18.000 For me, football provides so many ways of understanding things that Elsewise might be difficult to observe.

01:36:28.000 Leadership, community, loss, competition, injustice, hypocrisy, rules.

01:36:33.000 I mean, there's so much in there.

01:36:35.000 So it's lovely to see that you watch the game and experience the game in the same way.

01:36:38.000 I think when you go back to my time in schools and I think what an example, what a great opportunity, first and foremost, to go into schools to give somebody.

01:36:51.000 I've just been into a local school here and I sat down in front of 25-30 kids and it was you know sharing your experiences and they're asking you questions and they're drilling into you almost like a like an interview you're doing after a game you know when you know you get reporters trying to trip you up and say the wrong thing and this that yeah kids are just brutally honest they're coming out with

01:37:12.000 It was like sharing your ideas.

01:37:14.000 I had to bring me trophies in.

01:37:16.000 I brought a picture of when the Queen visited Hull.

01:37:19.000 I was managing the team in the Premier League, so I managed to sit at the table of the Queen.

01:37:23.000 I'm an electrician.

01:37:26.000 I'm, you know, who am I?

01:37:28.000 I'm sitting at a table with the Queen having lunch.

01:37:31.000 I just couldn't believe how far the game had took me.

01:37:35.000 How fast Hull City had took me.

01:37:37.000 And I'm just asking questions.

01:37:40.000 Why don't you go to the FA Cup final anymore?

01:37:42.000 You know, I'm giving a Not stick, but why don't you go to the NBA?

01:37:46.000 You were a leader for me.

01:37:48.000 I wanted to go to the FA Cup final because you were sitting there and you were handing the trophy out.

01:37:52.000 I wanted to be a winner at Wembley because you were handing the trophy out.

01:37:55.000 Then it became the siblings and you didn't want it as much.

01:37:58.000 That can't happen.

01:37:59.000 You know, you've got to have your values, I think.

01:38:02.000 You've got to have your icons.

01:38:03.000 You've got to have your people that you aspire to.

01:38:05.000 And I think that's where it starts at school.

01:38:07.000 Yeah, that's brilliant.

01:38:08.000 Bloody hell, Phil.

01:38:09.000 You're a fantastic interview mate.

01:38:10.000 You're a good chap.

01:38:11.000 Thank you so much.

01:38:12.000 I think we could carry on talking to you forever.

01:38:14.000 Maybe not Gareth.

01:38:15.000 He's all stumbling over himself, pulling at his collar, sweating, getting all fretful, probably wants your autograph and a photograph and stuff like that.

01:38:23.000 It's been such a joy.

01:38:24.000 Maybe we can do a follow-up interview at some point, Phil.

01:38:26.000 What, just the two of us?

01:38:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:28.000 Don't even want to film it?

01:38:29.000 Maybe a private phone chat or something.

01:38:30.000 Who knows?

01:38:31.000 We'll all become mates.

01:38:32.000 We'll all become mates.

01:38:33.000 Only if Russell wears a Hull City top.

01:38:35.000 Yes!

01:38:36.000 I would do that for you, Gareth.

01:38:37.000 That's the simple truth of the matter.

01:38:39.000 I'll do it for you and Phil quite happily.

01:38:40.000 Easily put aside my allegiance to the claret and blue louts of East London just for a moment. 0.99

01:38:48.000 Phil, bringing about a dream of one young man from Hull meeting his hero.

01:38:52.000 Phil, thank you so much, mate.

01:38:54.000 You've really elevated our show today.

01:38:55.000 You're brilliant.

01:38:56.000 I hope we get to chat again.

01:38:58.000 Thank you.

01:38:59.000 Oh, bless you.

01:38:59.000 Bye-bye, Phil.

01:39:00.000 Cheers, Phil.

01:39:01.000 It's a bit emotional points, isn't it?

01:39:02.000 Because he's sort of like he's so sort of straightforward and lovely.

01:39:06.000 Thank you so much.

01:39:07.000 That was a lovely little conversation with Phil Brown.

01:39:09.000 Did you enjoy it, mate?

01:39:10.000 He's an incredibly authentic personality.

01:39:13.000 For real, wasn't he?

01:39:13.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:39:14.000 I think we could do more with Phil Brown.

01:39:15.000 What do we do with Phil Brown?

01:39:17.000 Yeah, bring him in down here.

01:39:19.000 Let's get him in here.

01:39:19.000 It's not even far.

01:39:21.000 Not that far.

01:39:21.000 Let's bring Phil Brown to town, if he will come.

01:39:23.000 Let's do it.

01:39:23.000 Of course he will.

01:39:24.000 What was your first question about?

01:39:25.000 It took so long, and then you basically ended up saying... I knew I wouldn't get up, man.

01:39:29.000 ...he's the man in decline.

01:39:29.000 I knew I'd only get one or two.

01:39:30.000 Why did you ask?

01:39:31.000 He went, like, oh, he was good when he was old, but now what?

01:39:34.000 He should have, like, left it when he was at Hull.

01:39:35.000 Tell us about your best bits of being a Hull manager.

01:39:38.000 No, because I was thinking... Luckily, Phil's a pro.

01:39:40.000 As he was talking, I was thinking, what must it be like to experience that as a manager?

01:39:46.000 But then when he was talking about, you know, going to India and this and that, it must be difficult.

01:39:49.000 I think it must be difficult.

01:39:50.000 And I wanted to make sure he knew what a legend I thought he was, so I was trying to get a few questions into one.

01:39:56.000 That's what I try and do.

01:39:57.000 It's my technique.

01:39:58.000 It doesn't really work, but it's all we've got, Gal.

01:40:01.000 Listen, that's all we've got time for.

01:40:02.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

01:40:04.000 Football is nice.

01:40:05.000 We'll of course be back next week.

01:40:07.000 We have got a fantastic week for you still though.

01:40:19.000 Tomorrow, Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard will be here talking about their new movie, Sound of Freedom, in a bright, breezy, upbeat, and I would say compendious manner.

01:40:31.000 And on Friday, we've got The Critical Drinker talking to us about movie analysis and culture.

01:40:38.000 It's a fantastic conversation.

01:40:40.000 But, until then, I have to say, ta-ta-tia! 1.00

01:40:42.000 Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 12, 2023

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