Russell Brand is back with a brand new episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand. This week, he's talking about the NATO Family Photo, Jordan Peterson and the White House's censorship campaign, and a new game of Guess Who's in charge. Stay Free With Russell Brand is on all of your favourite podcast directories, if you search for Stay Free, you'll find us. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurAdvertisers and use the promo code: "ELISSA" for 10% off "Hunt a Killer". We'll be back next week with a special bonus episode on Tucker and Tate, and we'll be having a real in-depth look at the current social media ban that the US government is trying to impose on the use of the word 'tate' on the internet. Stay free with us, and remember: we're not here to make you feel stupid, we're here to help you feel smart. If you want to be censored, do you need censorship? Are you too stupid to decide for yourself what your own moral centre might look like? And what authority structures could you ever trust? And if you're not stupid enough to decide what's best for you, could you trust someone else's moral centre be the one you should trust? And if not, then maybe you should listen to this one. You're going to see the future, you're going down, and you'll see the past, and the present, and it's going to be better than you think it's better than it is now... Enjoy! - stay free, and don't worry about the past. - it's not the future - it'll go down in the past - it will be better in the future. xoxo, your future is better than the present. Timestamps: 1:00 - 2:00 3:30 - Who's going down now? 4:20 - Jordan Peterson v Tate Tate? 5:15 - Who are you in charge? 6:00 | Jordan Peterson vs. Jordan Peterson? 7:40 - What do you like? 8:00- What's your moral centre? 9:00s? 11:30s - Can you trust the herd? 12:15s - Who do you trust me? 13:00 s? 14:40s - What would you like to be in charge of what?
00:04:53.000Right, how are we going to justify that a couple of years ago, or a year ago in fact, we said that if Russia used cluster bombs they would be criminals and now we're going to sell Ukraine cluster bombs because it's necessary and we've got no choice.
00:05:12.000I suppose the only way you can justify a cluster bomb is by saying that to not have cluster bombs would be worse than having them.
00:05:18.000No matter how bad something is, if not having it will be worse, then you've almost got no choice to do it.
00:05:23.000This is the Orwellian, neuro-linguistic programming, hypnotic state that we're being invited to live in.
00:05:30.000Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Tuesday defended Biden administration's decision to arm Ukraine We've widely banned cluster munitions, which have a devastating impact on civilians.
00:05:41.000The US is providing Ukraine with cluster munitions in the form of 155mm artillery shells.
00:05:46.000Blinken said, without the cluster bombs, Ukraine would be defenceless because the US and NATO are running out of regular ammunition.
00:05:59.000Russia who don't lose wars because Russia are Dangerous, mad, hard people that just go on and on and on as Napoleon found out, as Hitler found out, and as NATO, excuse me, sorry, Ukraine.
00:06:12.000Listen, of course it's been a criminal invasion.
00:06:14.000The slaughter of Ukrainian people in this ludicrous counter-offensive ought to be ended at once.
00:06:20.000I'm not a military expert, but I listen to people who are, like Jeffrey Sachs, who told me that this is what was going to happen, told us the reasons why it happened, infringement on former NATO territories, and while then Then big quads are standing around at NATO, blinking at the camera, staring for eight seconds.
00:06:36.000People are dying at a rate of a thousand a day.
00:06:39.000And this is like candid admission that this is not sustainable, that this war isn't sustainable.
00:06:43.000But then when you have Joe Biden saying, we'll keep backing you for as long as it takes, and then last month Anthony Blinken, the same person, dismissing calls for a ceasefire, saying the US will focus its efforts on arming Ukraine and not attempting to bring the war to a negotiated settlement.
00:06:58.000Then you're like, well, hang on, what is it?
00:06:59.000Is it that we need to keep supplying these war criminal weaponry because they're running out of ammunition?
00:07:05.000Or is it we're just going to keep doing this for as long as it takes to annihilate Everyone?
00:07:10.000Do you remember when Trump did the CNN town hall that they immediately regretted doing and the interviewer kept pushing him to say, who do you want to win?
00:07:29.000I watched that clip again recently and I thought, wow, like a little while ago, if this was a verified figure of the liberal establishment, like if that was Obama saying that, You'd go, of course, of course, that's the issue.
00:07:55.000Like, later this week, we're speaking to the Sound of Freedom people, and we've reached the point where cluster bombs are good one minute, bad the next minute.
00:08:03.000The cluster bomb, how do you know if it's good or bad?
00:08:06.000It's become difficult to know what the truth is.
00:08:09.000It's become difficult to sustain one central cultural space.
00:08:12.000A film like Sound of Freedom, criticised because of QAnon affiliations, but there's nothing about QAnon in the film.
00:08:19.000This is something I'll be discussing with an interview that you'll see soon between me and Saga and Jetty that you'll enjoy.
00:08:25.000And also, if you're gonna criticise a film for its affiliations, for the people that are involved in either starring in it or making it, then you're gonna have to do a lot of examining of people in Hollywood.
00:08:35.000Hey, these Miramax movies don't look so good after the Weinstein revelations.
00:08:42.000Which was like, you know, as the brilliant Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle said, was Star Wars from the perspective of a stormtrooper.
00:08:50.000A really difficult time and I suppose that this is something we have to look at as well.
00:08:55.000After our, we're going to call it a world exclusive, groundbreaking interview with Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson has released his conversation with Andrew Tate and again I suppose this is one of those conversations that brings censorship To the fore!
00:09:11.000Where do you stand on the subject of Andrew Tate?
00:09:13.000I guess you're going to find some people that think that he's a sort of a vital and invigorating voice in the culture war space, and some people that think they don't like Andrew Tate, and particularly with these outstanding allegations.
00:09:25.000I suppose these are part of the conversation, but until there's a Judicial conclusion around those matters.
00:09:31.000I suppose these are something where views have to be suspended Maximum Titus 444 says she don't align with his views blessed old bird says he's a bit rude But we had a look at some aspects of the conversation and it seems to me like these are the kind of conversations that culture has an obligation to have how are we going to progress without I think the thing is as well is actually one of the things he does mention in this interview with Tucker is how the culture war has been used and I think that's something we can all agree on that these matters are used in a way to keep us distracted and talking about things that aren't as important necessarily that are important in their own way but aren't necessarily as important as for example cluster bombs you know so you'll get the media
00:10:15.000Talking about Andrew Tate for whatever reasons that that is, whilst not reporting on the fact that we're sending cluster bombs and that that was constituted as a war crime.
00:10:22.000Kip1 says on our locals chat, and if you're watching this on Rumble, why don't you join us over here on locals?
00:10:30.000This person said, I find Andrew Tate a bit arrogant, but I don't think he should be censored.
00:10:36.000Natasha Lee says Tate does understand the CIC but I think he may play it up to his advantage.
00:10:41.000I suppose that where we are now is it's necessary to be able to have conversations, it's necessary to have moral authority somewhere in cultural life, whether that's in media, the electoral process or the judiciary.
00:10:55.000We're experiencing a time where there is a cataclysmic loss of trust in our institutions and that is no doubt in part because of bureaucrats Posing like mob bosses.
00:11:06.000You perhaps have heard of the EU Commissioner Thierry Breton.
00:11:10.000He may look like your grandma, he may look like a well-groomed Colonel Sanders, but by God, he talks like Don Corleone.
00:11:19.000He's a man that struck terror into the heart of Elon Musk when he said that if social media platforms don't comply with EU edicts, they will be fined a significant sum from their annual turnover.
00:12:10.000What strikes me, Gareth, in particular about our man Thierry Breton
00:12:13.000is the sort of provocative language, the aggressive language,
00:12:17.000we will shut you down if you don't comply.
00:12:20.000When did government officials start talking to the people that pay them like that?
00:12:25.000Yeah, exactly, and what he's doing at the moment, and basically when Macron recently,
00:12:29.000who we literally just saw enjoying his time at NATO, has threatened to shut down social media
00:12:36.000for what he says is highlighting irresponsibly footage of rioting, or you could say protesting.
00:12:44.000It depends how you want to frame that.
00:12:47.000And so Macron's threat was to shut down social media and what Breton has now said is that will be something that under these new EU laws we'll be able to do.
00:12:56.000So the French people are protesting because they're unhappy about the French administration.
00:13:01.000They're unhappy that they're not able to vote on significant issues.
00:13:04.000They're unhappy that France appears to be run by globalist corporate interests.
00:13:09.000One piece of language I saw around it is we can't have a situation where people are rioting, where people are killing other people, where people are burning cars.
00:13:18.000You could see how rhetorically the idea of killing and burning starts to be equated and assimilated into the idea of dissent and protest.
00:13:31.000If you're watching us on Rumble, click the red button and join us on Locals.
00:13:34.000If you're watching us on YouTube, you're going to have You have to join us in a second because we're going to talk about Jordan Peterson's recent ban and his publication of the email that informed him of why he has been censored.
00:13:47.000And let us know how you feel about this.
00:13:49.000Let us know how you feel that increasingly it seems that platforms like this are going to be regulated, legislated by unelected government officials in the case of YouTube.
00:14:00.000But platform, my love, if you're one of our 6.5 million awakening wonders, let me reiterate my love for you and my gratitude towards the platform.
00:14:06.000But it has to be said that when it comes to matters related to COVID and the pandemic, they still use WHO guidelines to this day to inform their own community guidelines.
00:14:15.000So WHO As you know, are lobbying for the ability to impose legislation on your country without electoral process, extract 5% of your nation's health budget into their coffers.
00:14:28.000The idea that we were moving towards a new world order with a centralised globalist authority that was unelected and immovable is becoming evident.
00:14:38.000It's emerging from the fugue of bureaucracy that's clearly being sprayed and splayed now.
00:14:45.000What you said there, Ross, the word used by Breton there was revolt.
00:14:48.000When there is hateful content, content that calls, for example, for revolt, but also calls for killing and burning of cars, they will be required to delete the content.
00:14:56.000Obviously, revolt is something that is very different from killing and the burning of cars, but it's being conflated into the same thing.
00:15:02.000Just to let you know of the kind of very real consequences of this, Breton has also revealed that in response to this, Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta, as we know, has hired an additional 1,000 censors.
00:15:14.000But they're booking in more censors now!
00:15:16.000It's hired an additional 1,000 more censors.
00:15:19.000So again, when we were talking about threads recently, and about the way in which people have already been blacklisted and greylisted, this is happening.
00:15:26.000And when they're talking about it being a more friendly place, and a place that, you know, we can all get along, which isn't the case with Twitter, what that does mean, is manifesting here, is 1,000 new censors have joined Meta as a result.
00:15:37.000They want you to be neutered, devoid of vigour.
00:15:41.000They want you to prize congeniality, conviviality, friendliness above vitality.
00:15:49.000All of us would agree that a friendly, congenial atmosphere is beneficial, that we should be speaking to one another in good faith.
00:15:58.000But the answer to that is not to create more censorship and more authority,
00:16:02.000it's to recognize that it cannot be achieved through censorship.
00:16:06.000That there will always be a degree of hateful language, because, do you know what? Human beings have hatred within
00:16:58.000The way they talk about a film like Sound of Freedom, which I've yet to watch, but you're going to love my interview with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.
00:17:08.000I don't know how they're packaging Loss of freedom as somehow advantageous to the people that are directly affected by it.
00:17:15.000Let's have a look at this report on the emergence of the digital dollar, which right now, 50% of the world's countries are either introducing or piloting.
00:17:27.000This is stuff that's being brought about soon.
00:17:29.000It's coming to a bank account like yours very soon.
00:17:32.000And the same way the Canadian truckers had their bank accounts shut down, that could be any one of us next.
00:17:37.000And the old adage, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to lose.
00:17:42.000Well, that's going to become less and less relevant because you don't know what you've got to hide, because they can change the rules whenever they want, just like that.
00:17:49.000Let's have a look at this on the mainstream.
00:17:51.000Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told the House Financial Services Committee in March that the Fed had already begun testing a digital dollar.
00:18:00.000What we're doing is experimenting in kind of an early stage experimentation.
00:18:09.000Just like paper dollars, a central bank digital currency, or CBDC, would be issued by the Federal Reserve.
00:18:17.000Those pushing for it say it would have several advantages over physical money.
00:18:21.000They say it could be used to fight inflation because the Fed would have more direct control over the money supply.
00:18:28.000It could speed up transaction payments and help fight money laundering.
00:18:33.000...convenience, fighting against crime.
00:18:36.000Let me know in the comments if you have seen these arguments used again and again to advance models of centralized authority.
00:18:44.000A total of 130 countries representing 98% of the global economy are now exploring digital versions of their currencies with almost half in advanced development, pilot or launch stages.
00:18:54.000A closely followed study shows This is what's happening in our country, the UK, Gareth, and we were fascinated when we learned this earlier.
00:19:01.000A digital version of the British Pound, one of the greatest currencies the Lord ever did create, may feature a way to verify the holder's age and citizenship status.
00:19:12.000potentially smoothing the purchase of alcohol and tobacco and transactions with government
00:19:16.000agencies. So of course anyone would accept that they don't want children smoking or drinking
00:19:21.000alcohol but I like the point you made earlier Gareth about how a digital currency could
00:19:25.000just be a replica of physical currency and yet it isn't.
00:19:30.000Well, I just think, where does this stop?
00:20:14.000Basically we get into the point where the government are going to know kind of everything about us just from what we spend and also what we were talking about earlier is that now the danger with this is that they're not going to have to go to corporations anymore.
00:20:27.000They're not going to have to say What are these people spending their money on?
00:20:29.000Are they attending a Donald Trump rally?
00:20:32.000They literally will have direct access to that now.
00:20:35.000Free speech is being equated with hate speech.
00:20:39.000Privacy is being equated with criminality.
00:20:42.000The ability for private and commercial entities, vast in stature and size, for their ability to track and observe your private transactions is now being given to the government.
00:20:54.000The government that whether you voted for them or not, they're here to stay.
00:20:58.000I don't remember handing over that degree of authority.
00:21:02.000Isn't it time for a massive renegotiation when it comes to our relationship with the state?
00:21:07.000Don't all of us really at this point want as little government as possible?
00:21:10.000The maximum amount of democracy for there only to be regulatory funding when it comes to The necessary municipal things that we can share in as a community.
00:21:23.000We've got to leave YouTube because we're going to talk about censorship now.
00:21:26.000We're going to continue to talk about the control of currency, but we're also going to talk about the Jordan Peterson hate speech strike and the taking down of his content from YouTube.
00:21:35.000So even though we love you guys, you 6.5 million awakening wonders, you've got to click the link in the description.
00:21:41.000Join us over in the other space so we can speak freely and free most of all from hate.
00:22:16.000Well, this one is particularly around the trans issue, trans when ideology meets reality.
00:22:21.000So you can understand, you can see why YouTube has removed it from that perspective in that they've got guidelines around this, as we know, WHO guidelines and lots of other guidelines that they have.
00:22:31.000But I think the issue, one of the issues with this, as Jordan Peterson points out, is YouTube pointing to the episode as a violation of its hate speech policy without specifying which parts triggered the policy breach.
00:22:42.000Thing is, last month they also deleted an interview with Robert F. Kennedy.
00:22:46.000So, we are getting to the point where Jordan Peterson and Robert F. Kennedy are now in this kind of on-good version of people, you know, that Matt Taibbi has spoken so much about.
00:22:57.000We've got to the stage where it's good people and on-good people and it's whether or not they're saying something that we disagree with or just that them as a person says things that we generally don't like.
00:23:06.000We're now going to view them in a different way.
00:23:08.000I like the language around this particularly.
00:23:11.000Hey, Jordan B. Peterson, we have reviewed your appeal for the following, and then it sort of lists and describes the episode.
00:23:18.000We've viewed your content carefully and have confirmed that it violates our hate speech policy.
00:23:22.000We know this is probably disappointing news, but it's our job to make sure that YouTube is a safe place for all.
00:23:30.000We won't be putting your content back up on YouTube.
00:23:33.000Now, when it comes to the issue in particular here, I've had, and you can watch it, I think it's still up, conversations with Jordan Peterson about that, and I have a very different view to Jordan Peterson on this particular subject.
00:23:44.000I disagree with Jordan Peterson on that matter.
00:24:42.000Much more barely sentient blobs sat in a pod consuming Soma rather than the grinding of the jackboot in the face.
00:24:52.000In this culture, we're snuggling up to the jackboot.
00:24:56.000We're seeing the jackboot as a protector rather than an authoritarian adversary.
00:25:02.000Even though, in this instance, I would probably have a view closer to the censor than Jordan Peterson on trans issues.
00:25:09.000I'm just guessing because I've not seen the video, because I can't see the video.
00:25:13.000I still think that you should be able to have that conversation.
00:25:17.000And the same is true of Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate.
00:25:21.000Whether or not you agree with Andrew Tate, whether or not you have questions about Andrew Tate, you almost have to see him as a signal of something that's happening in the culture.
00:25:30.000And then you have to perhaps ask the questions, what do you think the system is threatened by?
00:25:35.000Do you think they really care about misogyny?
00:25:39.000Like, because if they do, then how did we just have a century of the objectification and commodification of women?
00:25:46.000Why does the advertising industry still use bodies as a commodity and as a product?
00:25:55.000It wants to pose as moral while retaining authority.
00:26:00.000I feel that we have to move towards a culture that, criminality aside, whether that's hate speech or the abuse of other individuals, We're gonna have to recognise that people are wanting to run their lives and their communities in different ways, progressive, traditional or otherwise.
00:26:15.000No one has, not now, the moral authority, not this Breton geezer, not our corporate overlords, not the people at YouTube.
00:26:24.000Where do you want to grant that authority?
00:26:26.000I completely agree with what you just said, but when you mentioned about having a view that was maybe closer to the censors, I don't think that the censor does have an opinion.
00:26:34.000I think that's the thing, is that it's very much top-down.
00:26:37.000These are not a bunch of people who are at YouTube and they're like, well, we're debating this thing, we have these conversations every day, and what we've come is to the conclusion via democracy and via free speech between us all, that these are our policies here at YouTube.
00:27:15.000Although in the Twitter files cases, Jack Dorsey, when he came on, was saying that he feels there were certain cultural prejudices and even affiliations that were, in a sense, geographical.
00:27:26.000It's San Francisco, Barkley, then people are more generally inclined towards progressivism.
00:27:33.000And of course, all of us ought be able, that's the point, to have our own political affiliations.
00:27:38.000But without principles, without values, you end up censoring people simply because you disagree with them.
00:27:44.000That book wench says here in the chat, can you ever really trust the cat?
00:28:43.000Like, on YouTube, with the censorship, they'll present things, they'll censor things like suicide, like saying the word suicide, it doesn't, so, like, sometimes it is cultural affiliations, and sometimes, as you say, it's algorithm just spotting words.
00:28:55.000Because like, you know, for example, if you do a video on suicide saying, look, this is at times in my life I've been suicidal and this is how I've prevented myself from committing suicide is because of these kind of conversations.
00:29:19.000We've done videos about drugs, but specifically about talking about the pharmaceutical industry and the way in which, for example, psilocybin has not been something that's been tested much and that has been kind of suppressed due to the way in which there are positive results around psilocybin and PTSD sufferers and the way in which that's helped them without having to subject them to a lifetime of taking pills.
00:29:45.000When you get a video like that demonetized on YouTube or you get a strike against something like that without people recognizing that the context is not what we're not saying is drugs are good you should take loads of drugs irresponsibly but what you're saying is challenging to the pharmaceutical industry that there is a there is a nuance there that needs to be discussed and I think that applies to loads of content that was on YouTube.
00:30:07.000What do you reckon about RFK prosecuting Fauci?
00:30:13.000Well, I guess, I mean, obviously, the entire response to the pandemic and the leading up to the pandemic, I think Rauf Carey is more concerned with that, potentially.
00:32:28.000We're going to talk a little bit more now about how the Department of Justice are being deployed to fight against a federal judge's verdict that the government have been impeding your right to free speech.
00:33:04.000Is it because they want to protect our health or is it because they want to protect their authority?
00:33:10.000Even though a federal judge has said you can't keep telling social media companies to censor information on a whim, they're saying we're only doing it to protect the people.
00:33:19.000Those people that we protect and serve.
00:35:36.000So when you're making a measurement and a judgment between the two sides, and you know me, I don't agree with any of the occupants of that system.
00:35:42.000I think ultimately they share the same interests.
00:35:50.000For me, the answers are not coming out of those institutions.
00:35:53.000But the principles, the principle in particular, the one that we're discussing now, free speech, is vital, indefatigable, incontrovertible, non-negotiable.
00:36:00.000It's a conservative political ideology, right?
00:36:02.000We saw some of the quotes questioning vaccines, questioning masks, conservative talking points.
00:36:08.000Let me know in the comments if there were any questions that should have been asked, could have been asked, weren't asked because of censorship, and that turned out to be actually an infringement of your free speech.
00:36:17.000But the ruling itself is the opposite of judicial conservatism.
00:36:20.000This is one of the most aggressive, far-reaching rulings you'll ever see.
00:36:30.000I think they're referring to the constitution and legislation that's in your constitution and saying, hold on, this is against stuff that we've agreed we were never going to do.
00:36:39.000And we can't just change it without changing the entire constitution.
00:36:43.000Because free speech means people are allowed to say what they want.
00:36:46.000There are other crimes, don't incite violence.
00:36:49.000Like those are all covered by other laws.
00:36:50.000But if people are going, oh, excuse me, I wonder if we could see some data.
00:36:56.000What this judge is purporting to do is to micromanage, really, the day-to-day interactions between essentially the entire executive branch, all these agencies that are listed as defendants, and the leading social media companies.
00:37:08.000And in the actual temporary injunction, the judge basically says, you're not allowed, administration, to talk to these social media companies about any protected free speech except for cyber security threats, national security threats, criminal threats, That's exactly what it should be, isn't it?
00:37:26.000Unless it's a national security threat, or there's crime, either cyber or literal, mind your own business.
00:37:33.000No one elected you to control their ability to communicate.
00:37:37.000Remember, what's being suggested here is that there's a parental relationship between the state and subjects, which is what we use in the UK.
00:37:58.000If you give them a load of information, they won't be able to determine for themselves truth from fiction.
00:38:02.000They get all carried away and do lally, and they start believing in stuff that we don't want them to believe in.
00:38:07.000Now, if you want to live like that, you should be allowed to go and live in a community of, we're the community where we're controlled, please.
00:38:14.000You know, if you want, you carry on with lockdowns.
00:38:16.000If you want, you can stay in your house now.
00:38:17.000If you want to carry on wearing masks forever, wear masks forever.
00:38:20.000You can do what you want, but don't tell other people what to do and say.
00:38:26.000Now, I'm astonished that that's a partisan issue, that that's either right or left.
00:38:30.000How dare he say, this is micromanaging the government.
00:38:33.000How dare you micromanage the government while they micromanage everything we say, while they shut down, in the words of Zuckerberg, debatable or true information.
00:39:18.000This is a judge trying to micromanage the day-to-day, regular activities of the entire executive branch.
00:39:24.000I don't know that it's actually policeable by the judge, but it's really an astonishing... I don't mean this necessarily as a criticism.
00:39:30.000This is a very activist judicial opinion.
00:39:33.000If you watched that and it was an aesthetic that wasn't familiar to you, forgive the simplicity of the terms, but if it was on Russia Today or Al Jazeera, something that had cultural paraphernalia that was different, they were talking a different language, they were wearing religious dress that wasn't common to your country, broadly speaking, you'd go...
00:40:12.000I think you would be able to tell that from just reading it.
00:40:15.000I think, you know, you would be able to correctly guess who this judge was appointed by by just reading this opinion.
00:40:21.000What he's saying there is that you can observe that this is a Trump-appointed judge by virtue of the fact that there's an interest in free speech.
00:40:29.000What the mainstream media are doing in your lifetime, observably, is turning free speech into a right-wing issue.
00:40:48.000Were the Stonewall protesters right-wing?
00:40:50.000Free speech, the right to free expression, whether that's because you're into trans stuff or whether you're Free speech is transcendent of that.
00:41:11.000The FBI was encouraging social media companies to take down posts.
00:41:16.000And, you know, the argument, especially in the wake of January 6th, that the FBI was too synced up with Twitter or Facebook or any of these social media companies just sort of flies in the face of reality, because obviously we saw what happened on January 6th itself.
00:41:32.000That mainstream media pundit has just claimed there can be no collusion between social media and the deep state because January the 6th happened.
00:41:40.000How could January the 6th have happened if there's collusion between the deep state and social media?
00:41:45.000They would have stopped it, is the argument that he's advancing.
00:41:48.000But those of us that have been watching independent media know that there was collusion, and in fact there were agents of the FBI, the Capitol Police, various other law enforcement agencies in that crowd.
00:42:01.000So that actually is an argument that there was collusion between social media.
00:42:07.000It's more subtle and insidious propaganda than the first piece, but this one is saying January 6th is evidence that there isn't collusion.
00:42:15.000But you might say, no, January 6th is evidence that there is collusion, because we know there are agents there, and we've seen, subsequently, that laws are being passed to give the Capitol Police more money, laws are being passed to shut down protests generally, this will be used to legitimize surveillance.
00:42:46.000Maybe we might stop and look at how it was a bit more complicated.
00:42:50.000Was it a bit more complicated because vaccine experts, pro-vaccine voices, people that invented vaccines were called anti-vaxxers and shut down?
00:42:57.000Is it true that information was censored but was verifiable?
00:43:00.000Is it true that since then the Twitter files have revealed the depth of deep state intervention and control of information?
00:43:06.000Look at how the mainstream controls that.
00:43:09.000This is where NBC could say, look, we made mistakes because remember during that period us and affiliated ideologically comparable stations said stuff like horse paste, ivermectin, we should shut it down, these people I think it was sort of to send a message on the 4th of July, right?
00:43:24.000bit of that, suppose that shows you how dangerous censorship of this kind is and
00:43:29.000the government should step back, right? But why don't they make that point?
00:43:32.000Because they have an agenda. They want the censorship because the censorship
00:43:35.000suits them at this time. Might not in the future, at this time the censorship suits
00:43:40.000them. I think it was sort of to send a message on the 4th of July, right? It's
00:43:43.000not that often you get injunctions sent out on that date in the way that this
00:43:47.000155 page sort of... Look at him laughing like those cynical bastards.
00:43:53.000Releasing that information about independent thought and independent communication on Independence Day.
00:44:08.000That's what Independence Day is celebrating!
00:44:11.000Oh, it was terrible that time when we were controlled by those people that wouldn't listen to us, and taxed us, and controlled us, who were a deracinated, uprooted, ruling class that... Oh no!
00:44:34.000The Biden administration suffered a major setback on Tuesday morning over its social media policy,
00:44:38.000but so far it appears to be pushing ahead undaunted. Oh good. The Department of Justice
00:44:42.000announced later that day it would appeal the decision, arguing it is necessary and
00:44:46.000responsible to protect public health, safety and security.
00:44:50.000We've already said on this channel many times, safety, security, convenience.
00:44:55.000These are the words they will use to usher in and lubricate the pathway to totalitarianism.
00:45:01.000And by totalitarianism, I mean centralised authority.
00:45:03.000Perhaps totalitarianism is not the right word, but centralised authority.
00:45:07.000Look at exactly what they're saying here.
00:45:08.000How are we to protect you and help you and keep you safe if we can't control everything?
00:45:14.000I wonder why, while the DOJ is reviewing its options, is there any immediate day-to-day impact on the administration's activities here, the White House's activities?
00:45:23.000So we've been very, we've been very kind of consistent.
00:45:27.000She's not been in the job that long, has she?
00:45:30.000Already she's showing signs of that kind of accumulative fatigue that you see public figures accrue when they have to day by day sort of stand in front of people And if not lie, certainly give such a limited, narrow and curated perspective on reality that it takes a toll on the human soul.
00:45:48.000That person there, Karine Jean-Pierre, she's an idealistic person.
00:45:52.000But look what she's got to do every day.
00:45:53.000She's got to stand in front of people and go, what this is, is to protect your health.
00:45:58.000We just want to protect people's health.
00:45:59.000OK, well, can we just look at how in other areas Health protection is prioritised over commerce and dominion.
00:46:06.000Let's look at that in pharmacology, let's look at it in ecology, let's look at it in finance, let's look at it in public wealth management.
00:46:13.000I mean, you just list it again and again and you'll be able to say, oh no, we never ever prioritise public health over commerce and dominion.
00:46:19.000And knowing that, as she must, is exhausting to her because she's a human being.
00:46:24.000We are going to continue to promote responsible actions to protect public health.
00:46:29.000Safety and security when confronted by challenges like a deadly pandemic and foreign attacks in our election, so we're gonna continue To promote that in a responsible way.
00:46:39.000Pandemic and foreign attacks on public elections are two areas now that show more than any two examples I could cite, except perhaps the laptop, that reveal, do not censor, do allow debate.
00:46:51.000That's mad that those are the examples, isn't it?
00:46:54.000Our view remains that social media platforms have a critical responsibility to take action or to take account.
00:47:01.000of the effects of their platforms are having to the American people, but make independent
00:47:05.000choices about the information they present.
00:47:07.000They are a private, as you know, entity, and it is their responsibility to act accordingly.
00:47:14.000And so we're going to continue to be responsible in that way.
00:47:17.000This is from Brett Swanson, non-resident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
00:47:21.000For three years, pandemic public relations mocked nature, generating fear, illness, inflation, and excess death beyond what the virus caused.
00:47:29.000Digital censorship supercharged the effort to hide reality, but reality is getting its day in court.
00:47:35.000Discovery in Missouri v. Biden exposed relationships among government agencies and social media firms and revealed an additional layer of university centres and self-styled disinformation watchdogs and fact-checking outfits.
00:47:46.000Elon Musk's release of some of Twitter's internal files revealed that up to 80 Federal Bureau of Investigation agents were embedded within social media companies.
00:47:55.000The agents mostly weren't fighting terrorism, but flagging wrong-think by American citizens, including eminent scientists who suggested different paths on Covid policy.
00:48:07.000Twitter blacklisted Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya for showing COVID almost exclusively threatened the elderly, severely reducing the visibility of his tweets.
00:48:17.000That was good and vital information that would have been helpful.
00:48:22.000That's helpful health data, I would argue.
00:48:24.000Let me know in the comments if you agree.
00:48:25.000When Stanford health policy scholar Scott Atlas began advising the White House, YouTube erased his most prominent video opposing lockdowns.
00:48:33.000Twitter banned Robert Malone, a pioneer of mRNA vaccine technology, for calling attention to the vaccine's dangers.
00:48:39.000Robert Malone, for me and you, that's a name we've known for ages, right?
00:48:42.000And you're like, hold on, isn't this guy, didn't he invent it?
00:48:44.000How can he be anti if you, like, Ronald McDonald is not anti-McDonald, is he?
00:48:50.000That guy hates McDonald's and is against them.
00:48:53.000YouTube demonetized evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein, who suggested the virus might be engineered and predicted vaccine-evading variants.
00:49:11.000Social media platforms were powerful tools for full-spectrum censorship, but they didn't act alone.
00:49:16.000Medical schools, medical boards, science journals, and legacy media sang from the same hymnal.
00:49:21.000Legions of doctors stayed quiet after witnessing the demonization of their peers who challenged the COVID orthodoxy.
00:49:27.000Understandably, because it's frightening to face that kind of censorship and surveillance and the sense that you could be punished.
00:49:33.000But I suppose we should really appreciate those voices that did speak out bravely.
00:49:37.000A little censorship leads people to watch what they say.
00:49:39.000Millions of patients and citizens were deprived of important insights as a result.
00:49:44.000Their whole argument was, what they were controlling and censoring was protecting people, but it wasn't doing that, it was harming people.
00:49:51.000Health authorities and TV doctors insisted young people were vulnerable, demanded toddlers wear masks, closed schools, beaches and parks, and were loathed to contemplate crucial cost-benefit analysis.
00:50:54.000Sweden, which didn't have a lockdown, performed better than nearly every other advanced nation.
00:50:59.000After navigating 2020 with relative success, young and middle-aged healthy people in rich nations began dying in unprecedented numbers in 2021 and 2022.
00:51:06.000Helpful for it is, haven't focused enough on this cataclysm of premature death from non-COVID heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, kidney failure and cancer.
00:51:52.000There's all sorts of untrue, mad stuff being said.
00:51:55.000But what's interesting is the type of information that they are targeting, and in particular, the type of information that they are ignoring, and their own evident errors when it comes to erroneous information.
00:52:05.000But it was far worse before the internet, when myths could persist for centuries.
00:52:09.000New technologies allow us to compile data quickly, correct errors, find facts, and dispel falsehoods.
00:52:15.000Science, supported by an open internet, is the process by which we reduce misinformation and approach the truth.
00:52:20.000So science, not as a subset of corporate, commercial, or globalist interests, but science as a process of investigating the nature of things, what is observable and what can be deduced, is of course absolutely vital, incontrovertibly.
00:52:35.000What is also required is an open internet, which amounts to free speech and freedom of communication.
00:52:40.000It's plain that the crisis of authority is what's being addressed here, not a health crisis.
00:52:45.000The health crisis, it seems, may have been made worse by the actions they took in the last couple of years.
00:52:50.000Who knows what other blunders they're making with geopolitics, war, energy, population management, No.
00:52:56.000civilization? Who knows? Who could say? But I know that you'll let me know in the
00:52:59.000comments because what I believe in is free speech, democracy, the ability to run
00:53:04.000your own life and your own community, to leave one another alone wherever possible
00:53:08.000and to allow the speech of people you disagree with to flourish and thrive. If
00:53:12.000freedom means anything, it means that. But that's just what I think. Let me know
00:53:15.000what you think in the chat. See you in a second.
00:53:24.000Censorship is the idea that you and I cannot communicate lovingly and safely,
00:53:29.000that we cannot build communities, common unity, through love, open-heartedness and
00:55:01.000And I bet that has an impact on, you know, the whole culture of the game and the way in which we always talk about how brilliant the draft system is in America.
00:55:33.000Do you remember like during COVID when they, when they show football on the TV, English football, they used to, uh, like you could choose whether to watch it with crowd noise or not.
00:57:18.000As soon as I hear it, I go out like I'm fucking late!
00:57:21.000It had a little badge on it saying Gaza.
00:57:25.000That's a good reference to this moment in and out over the course of the week when we've been speaking to the Sound of Freedom filmmakers and Jesus actor Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard, the real life Jesus.
00:57:38.000Well, he's a Jesus actor, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:57:54.000It's amazing to me the disparity between people who just don't know that England won a major trophy, as if it was literally some of those players were just like a year older, or some of those players could still be playing for the England Under-21s.
00:58:06.000But if it was the senior competition, it would make such a difference.
00:58:19.000I'm wearing this little jacket now, to celebrate that we're doing Football's Nice, and we've gone to the trouble of putting that there, and that there.
00:58:24.000So, I think we should acknowledge that you're wearing that Hull City shirt, and I'm wearing this.
00:58:30.000Gareth's going to be talking to one of his great heroes, Phil Brown, legendary Hull manager, Bolton assistant manager.
01:00:51.000Every West Ham fan that I know, cheers for Gerard Byrne by the way, when he came, I remember saying to all the West Ham fans, he's bloody good, he's bloody good.
01:01:10.000All right, but why don't you, like, I think if we don't get Harvey Barnes and we don't get James Will Prowse and we don't get Ajax, lad, I'm going to be upset.
01:01:16.000And if we don't get some sort of forward from Italy, I'm going to be upset.
01:01:20.000He's got 20 goals in Serie A. I'll be upset.
01:02:16.000While someone looks up that fact about Bad Graphics Jack, if he can stop building his CV, let's have a look at this US commentator sort of graduating into Mickey Mouse over the course of a goal.
01:03:29.000Because rather than the sort of swivel-eyed, rasputin, very intensely caring, and then suddenly cold.
01:03:37.000I'll tell you now that Stevie G has gone from Rangers to Villa to Etifac FC.
01:03:46.000Now, we have to be careful that we're not sort of xenophobic about clubs abroad, but he does sort of look a bit like a dictator sat behind that.
01:03:55.000I think it's because of the fringes on them flags.
01:07:53.000I bet you can find a trailer for it on YouTube.
01:07:55.000I went to Wet Wildy, and like, it's like a normal waterpark theme park, except you can have a thing where you get your feet nibbled by a fish.
01:08:18.000So it's not like you come off a water slide and into a pool and then you're suddenly attacked.
01:08:23.000There's some areas, right, where the people... It's weird because it feels adjacent to a disaster.
01:08:29.000Because you're sort of in these rubber rings floating around and there's people that work there.
01:08:33.000And because they don't also, the people, I feel like a lot of people may have come from African nations to work there, they are not using the typical set of customary facial expressions that we would associate with a theme park worker.
01:09:49.000There's some fish eating my feet, sir.
01:09:53.000Sorry, that isn't one of the options here.
01:09:55.000Is that a video of it, or is that just a still of it?
01:09:57.000When we were over there, they recognised me, and they wanted to talk to me and everything.
01:10:01.000Oh, look, here's a video of Wet Wildy, and then we'll have a look at some Hull news, and then we're gonna meet one of Gayle's great heroes, Phil Brown.
01:13:03.000All the things you have to put out of your mind when you go to a swimming pool are things like... They've just got people's mangled feet in this pool.
01:13:43.000I had a nice time though, all said and done.
01:13:46.000That's why I recommend, and now I'm the new ambassador for, Wet Wildy.
01:13:50.000Listen, we can't talk about this all day, not when we've got one of your great heroes, a man who changed the face of British football, mostly because of his own face.
01:14:00.000He had one of them Britney Spears mics for a minute there, like he did that.
01:14:38.000Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to our show, and this is a great honour for Gareth as a whole fan, and me as a football fan, and for you as an American, you're probably confused, but you're gonna have to bloody well learn to lump it.
01:16:32.000I've always thought that it's a cricketing nation, primarily.
01:16:36.000How is the nation of India taking to football?
01:16:40.000Well, it's strange enough, Russ, when I went across there about four years, five years ago, as a manager, I managed a team called Pune City, which is a suburb of Mumbai.
01:16:48.000But you're talking about a suburb of Mumbai.
01:16:50.000It takes about two hours to fly there, let alone, you know, it's a big old place, you know.
01:17:10.000And I've never been in that prejudice world of being second, if not third, if not fourth,
01:17:15.000in terms of league, in terms of the rankings of how popular you are.
01:17:21.000So it was a real tough gig when I went over there.
01:17:24.000And one of the biggest clangers I dropped was when I was speaking to the Times of India.
01:17:28.000First interview, I just said, when an Indian boy or girl is born,
01:17:32.000I wanna put a football in her hand instead of a cricket ball.
01:17:35.000Well, there was absolute carnage, backlash, you name it.
01:17:38.000So it was a difficult gig, there's no doubt about it.
01:17:40.000But from a football perspective, you know, the teams are improving, you know.
01:17:45.000Simon Grayson has just gone across there, who's well-renowned in England, in terms of, you know, managed probably seven, eight, nine clubs in England.
01:17:53.000He's gone across there and did a great job at Bangalore, and he's staying there for the next year, so hopefully he builds that brand, and the club gets bigger, and hopefully the whole Indian gig gets bigger, and they can win a World Cup at one stage.
01:18:08.000Gareth, our co-host and producer, loves you because he's a Hull fan.
01:18:37.000Phil, it's an absolute joy to meet you.
01:18:39.000I mean, Russell's right, you are a hero to me and thanks for making me one of the happiest people in the world in 2008.
01:18:45.000It was an incredible day, an incredible season and Russell was just asking me beforehand about why you're so special to so many Hull fans.
01:18:57.000I think it was a lot about the way we came up Rather than just that it was the first time we'd ever been in the Premier League.
01:19:04.000So I just want to ask you in terms of, I would say, you know, you have legendary status along with Peter Taylor and Steve Bruce.
01:19:12.000What's it kind of like to go from, I don't know, assistant manager under Allardyce and then having, I guess, aspirations of becoming a A first team manager and then the kind of things that you achieved at Hull to then, obviously, you know, you've managed other places.
01:19:30.000I know you had success at Southend, but in the way that I guess footballers, there must always be a bit of a struggle when it comes to kind of retirement from the game.
01:19:40.000What's it like for you as a manager to go from that huge as I say legendary status at Hull to having different kind of experiences elsewhere that maybe don't hit the kind of heights that you've had previously?
01:19:53.000Well thanks first and foremost for the introduction Gareth and yes I did really enjoy my time at Hull City there's no doubt about it but I am sort of in that Frame of mind, if you like, where you're talking about the levels that you reach in terms of management, the levels that you reach in terms of coaching and playing and, you know, to be an electrician.
01:20:15.000Back in 1979-80 and you go from that to going into the game.
01:20:21.000So you're on the terraces first and foremost as a supporter and that's the most important part.
01:20:26.000I heard you and Russell talk and Russell's a supporter at West Ham I believe.
01:20:30.000When you're on the terraces and you start feeling and believing and saying things that you can actually support, You're supported in different ways.
01:20:40.000You're supported by being there through thick and thin.
01:20:42.000You're supported by eventually crossing the white line and becoming a footballer.
01:20:47.000If eventually for your own team, that's fantastic.
01:20:50.000If it's not, then you've got to still give that level of commitment to whoever you're playing for, whoever you're coaching, whoever you're managing.
01:20:57.000And that's fortunately what I was born with.
01:20:59.000I think my parents are responsible for that.
01:21:01.000But the commitment levels, when I was chucked in at any football club, Was 100% full on.
01:21:07.000And you've got the real Phil Brown, as it were, whether that was charismatic to some supporters and not to others, it doesn't matter to me.
01:21:16.000And trying to be me was that supporter blessed with a little bit of talent that I could play, then blessed with a little bit of talent that I could then coach, and then a little bit of talent that I could manage.
01:21:27.000To get Hull City to the Premier League was just a great achievement, but it wasn't me, it was everybody.
01:21:33.000It was a combined effort on all fronts, and I mean that so much.
01:21:36.000I used to go into the schools in Hull, in Humberside, and to understand the people of Humberside was the most important part.
01:21:44.000For me to understand that, it was almost three generations of deprivation, where the fishing industry in the 12-mile radius had brought Hull to a standstill.
01:21:53.000And it was great listening to you guys talking about Yorkshire.
01:22:00.000And you have that sense of belonging because you have an area of what you support your team through thick and thin.
01:22:05.000And once you get that, I think it can take anybody, anywhere, as long as you have buy-in from everybody.
01:22:11.000And I thought we had buy-in from every person I spoke to, whether it was a child going into the schools, whether it was a retired grandfather who had been In the shipyards or in the ships, 25, 30 years ago, whether it be women, children, it didn't matter who it was, we just had buy-ins from everybody.
01:22:29.000Do you mind if I just ask one more because I completely agree with you and I think that I really think that promotion to the Premier League obviously would gone up in the previous few seasons and that meant a lot to the city but I think the promotion to the Premier League after decades and decades of being the butt of jokes of the city obviously we're the second most bombed city after London in the war you know this is a city You know, this is a city that needed something good to happen to it.
01:22:59.000And it literally, I think, put Hull on the map.
01:23:01.000And for the people of Hull to be seeing their team on Match of the Day, to be in the Premier League, I think was just one of the biggest things to happen to the city ever.
01:24:32.000You have brought pride back to this football club.
01:24:35.000I like to have a fight, an organized fight before a game of football.
01:24:39.000And whatever city I walk into, we couldn't walk in with any pride whatsoever because we're bottom of this league, we're bottom of that league.
01:24:47.000You put the pride in me walking back into any pub, any pub now with Hull City supporter and putting it, you know, like putting an organized fight on.
01:24:55.000I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
01:24:57.000I've supported Sunderland all my life.
01:25:02.000I was just there on the terraces, trying to make as much noise as I possibly can.
01:25:06.000But therein lies a story where West Ham's concerned.
01:25:09.000They liked an organised fight as well, didn't they?
01:25:12.000Phil Brown there restoring pride to the hooligans of Hull so that his Mackham kin can get beaten up on derby day with real pride and force.
01:25:22.000One of the things that comes across right clear from you, Phil, is that connection is What's important to you, connection to the fans, connection to your players.
01:25:31.000And I liked those moments where you took unusual choices and unusual risks that I imagine came from the fact that you're a person from a normal background, a football fan yourself, a football man, as they say, to use the famous phrase.
01:25:45.000And I feel that that is beautiful to experience as a fan and as a viewer, the success that you achieved with Hull.
01:25:53.000And also that you've stayed connected to your relationship to fans, as the last story demonstrates.
01:26:00.000Is it also true that as a Sparky, you still use your electrician skills even when you was managing Southend to fix the electrics?
01:26:41.000And we're looking around and trying to find out what the reason is.
01:26:45.000I'm looking to my right hand side, knowing full well the ground and how it was built, etc, etc.
01:26:49.000I used to walk around the ground on a Friday before a game when it was empty and just get a feel for the vibe.
01:26:55.000And, you know, it doesn't matter where you are, the old grounds have still got the breathing.
01:26:59.000Even when they're empty, they're breathing, they've got history, it's beautiful to be involved in that.
01:27:05.000So I used to go, it was part of my job, to walk around the grounds, whichever club I was at, on a Friday, and you'd maybe hear the grass being cut and this, that and the other, there was a couple of people, maintenance people working, and I used to find out where the cable used to come in, how the lights were built and this, that and the other.
01:27:22.000The lights have gone out, it's about 15 minutes till here, and I'm standing on the touchline, which is an elevated grass pitch, and my chairman, Ron Martin, taps me on the shoulder, and I spin round thinking it's the referee or something.
01:27:36.000I spin round, it's the chairman, he went, Brownie, he said, you used to be an electrician, didn't you?
01:27:50.000So eventually we fixed the fuse and I put it back in and they come round and I look on the pitch and I'm looking at the lights and the lights are not coming on.
01:27:58.000And they're all looking at me as if I'm some kind of useless electrician.
01:28:38.000Gareth ain't even the only Hull fan in this building, so when you're talking in the gallery, we've got Ed, who also works here, who's from Hull, just nodding and wiping away the occasional tear.
01:28:49.000We want to take it to an even higher sentimental plane by showing this moment where you serenaded the crowd there after avoiding relegation in 2009.
01:30:18.000Yeah, something like that, and then you can bring the crooning back into it.
01:30:21.000Phil, I think what you are able to embody and bring the spirit of is the thing that this podcast and aspect of our show is actually about.
01:30:31.000That football creates a sense of unity and celebrates aspects of a culture that are pretty easy to malign and dismiss.
01:30:38.000I think the kind of populist politics that have emerged in the last 10-20 years are kind of as a result of the ongoing malignment of particular communities and members of that community and being Like a man of the north of England being from the class that you're evidently from.
01:30:54.000It's beautiful to hear the way that you can represent that community positively and the way that the game offers an opportunity to show unity, good spirits.
01:31:06.000It's interesting to see the national game become increasingly international and yet increasingly commodified.
01:31:13.000Phil, do you sometimes feel that the game that we are celebrating in this kind of conversation will be lost as it becomes increasingly corporatized?
01:31:23.000I'm thinking about like the idea that You know, the manager's walking around the ground, knows who the maintenance staff are, and if the halogen lights go down, might be asked to pop in at a basement and change a fuse.
01:31:35.000I mean, that's unlikely to happen at the Etihad, or, you know, like... I don't reckon Pep Guardiola... He can do a lot of things, Pep.
01:32:13.000I was very fortunate that I was at Wembley for the 1973 Cup Final against Leeds.
01:32:19.000I remember Jimmy Montgomery presenting me with a trophy when I was at school and that gave me the The impetus, the excitement, the drive to actually eventually become a pro footballer.
01:32:30.000Double save against Leeds United, winning 1-0, Ian Porterfield scoring a goal.
01:32:34.000All of these things were part and parcel, but I didn't know who the manager was until the crazy lunatic runs across the pitch, runs past the captain, runs past the goalscorer, and all he wants to do is embrace the goalkeeper, Jimmy Montgomery, and that was Bob Stokewell.
01:32:49.000And that was my first recollection of who the manager was.
01:32:53.000And what he then went on to do and where he went after that.
01:32:57.000So all of them things, I think the game's progressed in a real positive way, no doubt about it, until the moment that the Premier League was invented and then it became this global icon.
01:33:09.000I was just thinking about this before I came on the show today.
01:33:12.000When we first started in, was it 92, 93, 94, the Premier League, you had Sir Alex Ferguson there at the helm and he drove it basically from a management perspective.
01:33:22.000Well, the Premier League itself was only, I think it was about 60-65% British players, but that's been squeezed the other way now.
01:33:30.000It's probably more or less 75% foreign players, foreign ownership.
01:33:35.000But that doesn't make it any worse or better.
01:33:47.000You've got to have your managers like your Davey Moyes that is doing a great job at West Ham.
01:33:52.000If West Ham could have gone down this year and won a European title, that would have been scandalous from what Davey Moyes has done in the game.
01:34:01.000So Alex Ferguson, if you like, to a certain extent, you know, he got the baton at Manchester United and then did it fail?
01:34:33.000And hats off to Pep Guardiola, hats off to Man City for the way they've produced a great team.
01:34:38.000But if you look at what Pep Guardiola's done, he brought in a number nine, a proper old-fashioned number nine.
01:34:45.000When everybody was buying false nines, no nines, they were playing three up front, they were doing all sorts of things that Man City were doing five years ago.
01:34:53.000He then brings in Haaland, who then scores 48 goals or whatever it was, wins three trophies, and he's gone back to the number nine.
01:35:00.000But if you look at the four semi-finalists in the Champions League, all four of them had big number nines.
01:35:05.000So it's just cycles, Russell, what I'm trying to say, Gareth.
01:35:10.000And if you've got to hang in there, you've got to make sure that you keep on believing in yourself, believe in what you believe in, and it comes round again.
01:35:18.000You said a lot there, mate, because I think that one of the things that I was fascinated to hear that you didn't even used to think of who the manager was.
01:35:25.000And I was trying to think of like, you know, when I started to really think about West Ham, I was probably like 10, 11.
01:36:35.000So it's lovely to see that you watch the game and experience the game in the same way.
01:36:38.000I think when you go back to my time in schools and I think what an example, what a great opportunity, first and foremost, to go into schools to give somebody.
01:36:51.000I've just been into a local school here and I sat down in front of 25-30 kids and it was you know sharing your experiences and they're asking you questions and they're drilling into you almost like a like an interview you're doing after a game you know when you know you get reporters trying to trip you up and say the wrong thing and this that yeah kids are just brutally honest they're coming out with
01:38:15.000He's all stumbling over himself, pulling at his collar, sweating, getting all fretful, probably wants your autograph and a photograph and stuff like that.
01:40:07.000We have got a fantastic week for you still though.
01:40:19.000Tomorrow, Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard will be here talking about their new movie, Sound of Freedom, in a bright, breezy, upbeat, and I would say compendious manner.
01:40:31.000And on Friday, we've got The Critical Drinker talking to us about movie analysis and culture.