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00:54:40.000Naomi Wolf, once a darling of the establishment, writer of the seismic and epoch-defining feminist book, The Beauty Myth.
00:54:51.000The reason I mention that is because you can use Naomi Wolf as a kind of barometer of the changes the culture is experiencing, or rather, the changes that the culture is inflicting On everyone else, because if Naomi Wolf is controversial now, to the point of being de-platformed, I don't know, eight times, if Glenn Greenwald, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, is maligned and marginalized, if ordinary entertainers, even like, for example, take Jerry Seinfeld, is now sort of controversial, admittedly because of a very particular issue, the conflict in the Middle East and him being a Jewish guy, it shows you that the culture is becoming, excuse me, my dog's kicking off over there,
00:55:30.000The culture is itself becoming like a sort of cannibalizing and peculiar corrupted institution that prevents communication, that supports and indeed solicits censorship, that facilitates surveillance and all of these things are covered in the conversation With Naomi.
00:55:48.000She's here to talk about her book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age.
00:55:53.000And believe me, by the time you've heard the conversation, the discussion about the pandemic period, censorship, immigration, you're going to have a clear idea of why her book's called that.
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00:57:25.000Of course we're here to talk about Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age, your new and terrifyingly titled book.
00:57:34.000But firstly, if you'll indulge me, this is the image that came to my mind as I was coming to have this conversation with you.
00:57:43.000They say that when trying to understand dark matter, or even discern its existence, they are able to observe how other particles, presumably affected by it, have behaved.
00:58:00.000Using the analogy that if all of the billiard balls have scattered across the table in this manner, there must be some other billiard ball that is invisible to us, undetectable by us, but nevertheless must be there for these movements to have happened.
00:58:18.000And I was wondering if, like, A journalist like Chris Hedges or Glenn Greenwald are no longer regarded as champions of legacy media.
00:58:30.000And if a feminist writer, if that's an appropriate title for you, is now regarded as a pariah, and a comedian and an entertainer like myself has been marginalised What is the invisible billiard ball?
00:58:49.000What is this entity moving through the culture, scattering people that previously would have been darlings of certain aspects of, inverted commas, the liberal establishment?
00:59:03.000What are your thoughts of that phenomena, Naomi?
00:59:11.000And I love the examples you've chosen, Mr. Brands, because Those are really, you know, all very, we all were establishing figures, right?
00:59:20.000We all thought this is it, you know, we've worked for decades and people know us, we're in the culture, we're part of the culture, we're leaders in the culture, right?
00:59:30.000And then in a matter of really moments, you know, blink of an eye, we're all re-categorized into kind of cultural outer darkness.
00:59:39.000Paradoxically, I mean, the universe is pretty funny and comical because we're probably all having a bigger footprint with our audiences now than we did before we were ostracized and sent into outer darkness.
00:59:56.000Probably in your case, though I don't know.
00:59:57.000But I'm guessing the other Americans' cases, even though Mr. Greenwald lives in Brazil, the engine was the White House.
01:00:08.000two lawsuits by state attorneys general in Missouri and Louisiana against the Biden White House
01:00:15.000revealed documentation showing that there was a massive, probably continues to this day, massive
01:00:25.000censorship and defamation effort by the White House illegally leaning on Twitter, Facebook,
01:00:34.000the tech companies, the media, the legacy media to smear us and to de-platform us and to destroy
01:00:45.000our reputations around the world. AI played a role in that.
01:00:48.000I didn't understand when I was being de-platformed and smeared the role of AI in journalism. But
01:00:55.000if you're called something, Mr. Brands Around the World, like a conspiracy theorist or
01:01:00.000discredited, I'm not sure what your new adjectives are, but mine are conspiracy theorists, they're
01:01:07.000only able to do that around the world with AI.
01:01:10.000And we also know that millions and millions of dollars went from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and then the U.S.
01:01:20.000government as well, directly to legacy media to quote overcome vaccine hesitancy.
01:01:26.000And that went to the BBC, millions to the BBC, millions to The Guardian, millions to NPR, The New York Times, and so on.
01:01:34.000So that's some of the invisible billiard ball in my understanding.
01:01:39.000Yes, it's extraordinary that it's in a way as old and almost as hokey as good old-fashioned corporate interest leaning into media outlets, a relationship that's evidently native and embedded rather than novel, but it's interesting that you mention this Period of these twin rising entities, the ability of AI to impose simultaneous censorship and surveillance, and I guess those two ideas are necessarily interlinked.
01:02:22.000And the period of the pandemic, I feel that it's an epochal event in terms of nothing after it is quite the same as before it, even though perhaps in a way nothing especially unique happened during that period, merely the amplification of existing trends. Before we move into that catalytic
01:02:48.000event, I wonder if you might tell us, for those who don't know, a little about something we
01:02:55.000alluded to in our first rather grand question that involved dark matter and billiard balls,
01:03:01.000that you were like a much-fated, adored and admired feminist author that the beauty myth
01:03:07.000would have been seen at the very vanguard of feminism and might have had you loathed by what
01:03:15.000Sort of like conservative American Republican type figures that might align around ideas that sort of currently define libertarianism.
01:03:24.000But you were an advisor, I understand, to Bill Clinton and Al Gore.
01:03:29.000I mean, this is, you are someone that's at the Heart, cherished heart of the establishment and in a way a figure of the kind of liberal left that I would have unthinkingly regarded myself as a part of.
01:03:44.000A kind of champagne socialist, albeit a sober one.
01:03:48.000A kind of anti-establishment lefty that's been through Hollywood.
01:03:56.000I wonder if you can talk us through the stations on the cross of going from being an advisor to Al Gore and Bill Clinton to being someone who, you know, the like pretty regular your Wikipedia page is updated to ensure no one removes the term conspiracy theorist which I know appears just above supporter of Julian Assange and Edward Snowden as if those two figures are somehow like bogeymen of some conspiracy.
01:04:55.000That's part of, thank God, that's part of how I understood very early what the establishment was up to with the pandemic.
01:05:03.000Because I know how they operate and I know that they can do pretty much anything Immoral or murderous because their self-regard is so strong.
01:05:16.000Because they can rationalize because they have so much disrespect for the lives and autonomy of quote-unquote ordinary people.
01:05:33.000I've been known, for those of your audience who may not be familiar with my work, I became a legacy media figure for 35 years after I wrote a book called The Beautyness, and all of my books Until recently, it's been about women's issues, and specifically sexual and reproductive health issues for women, as well as civil rights issues for everybody.
01:06:06.000I've covered estrogen levels being too high in birth control pills.
01:06:10.000I've covered anorexia and bulimia, women's health issues.
01:06:13.000So, on one specific day, In June of 2021, I tweeted that women were starting to report, and this is eyewitness, women's eyewitness reports of their own bodies, right?
01:06:27.000Which, that is for a journalist, no better initial source, primary source report from an eyewitness.
01:06:36.000That they were having menstrual dysregulation and sometimes serious menstrual problems upon receiving the mRNA injection.
01:06:42.000So I literally tweeted that that was happening and that it required more investigation.
01:06:47.000Literally what I've been doing for 35 years.
01:06:50.000Overnight, there was this furore in the media, including publications, Mr. Brand, that I've written for for decades, like The Guardian.
01:06:59.000I was a columnist at The Guardian, like The Sunday Times of London.
01:07:03.000I was a columnist at The Sunday Times.
01:07:07.000And also, overnight, I was deplatformed from all the social media platforms.
01:07:11.000And as I mentioned, my Wikipedia bio changed overnight in a uniform way, as you mentioned, with Conspiracy Theorist at the top.
01:07:20.000You know, all my honors, Rhodes Scholar, Defill from Oxford, you know, pushed way down.
01:07:26.000And every weird thing anyone had ever said about me was surfaced to the top, making me look like a crazy person.
01:07:33.000And then I just became non-person in the legacy media.
01:07:38.000My editors wouldn't let me, you know, they just ignored me, silenced me, but over and over, impressively, in a way, to me, when I was mentioned, it was as a crazy ghost, you know?
01:07:52.000And meanwhile, I continued to report this story into 2022, 2023, when Under my company's daily cloud and news sites, Aegis, 3,250 scientific and medical volunteers convened to read through the Pfizer documents.
01:08:10.000We broke story after story after story out of 450,000 documents released under court order that were internal Pfizer documents, showing that, indeed, that first tweet of mine was the start of a massive story Catastrophic impacts for humanity.
01:08:28.000In the Pfizer documents, the centerpiece was how to destroy human reproduction.
01:08:32.000And so when the White House deplatformed me, they already knew because Pfizer was giving the FDA and the CDC these reports.
01:08:41.000That Pfizer had made charts, spreadsheets of women having, in their trials, in their studies, having horrific menstrual problems, agonizing problems, bleeding every day, bleeding twice a month, passing tissue, hemorrhaging, Disabling problems by the tens of thousands in each subject line on the chart.
01:09:05.000They knew they were destroying women reproductively and the Pfizer documents show exactly how they destroyed women and men reproductively.
01:09:13.000And now fast forward, predictably, we're looking at a 13 to 20% drop in live births in Western Europe and North America.
01:09:26.000We have to stop this conversation here because it's becoming too controversial and it would be, I suppose, prone to the kind of censorship that we know goes on in legacy media spaces.
01:09:37.000And whilst Google once might have been considered an avant-garde plucky outsider, that's hardly the truth now.
01:09:43.000They cut their content in accordance with WHO guidelines, even while the WHO Attempt to supplant democracy in your country.
01:09:51.000You know about that treaty by now, I'm sure.
01:09:53.000So click the link in the description to see the answer to that question.
01:09:59.000The immigration bit is going to blow your mind.
01:10:04.000Yes, that is why you got silenced, because what you were doing was providing empirical evidence and credible journalism in an area where if credible journalism and empirical evidence are extracted, what remains sounds like, forgive the word, hysterical conspiratorial conjecture.
01:10:26.000And it's because I, you know, I, because of the kind of spaces that I occupy, I'm aware of the, you know, this is about population control.
01:10:39.000These kind of ideas exist in You know, I'm sure you're aware in online spaces, there's sometimes adjacent to, not theories necessarily, hypotheses and notions that are kind of a little unappealing and unattractive.
01:10:57.000So the more we have people that are able to, by doing what they've always done, demonstrate that something curious took place around 2019 and the subsequent years, I'm fascinated to learn that Of course.
01:11:14.000What you've always done is taken first person accounts from women about their health, the impact that the culture and social conditioning and sociology and unchallenged assumptions have on female identity and female physical and mental wellness.
01:11:30.000Then you continue to do that and just say, oh, wow, this product, you know, but suddenly what it makes me question is what role were you playing And I either unconsciously or certainly without knowing in the establishment prior to that.
01:11:51.000It's easy for me as a Hollywood person to recognize because I imagine it's much more Over an obvious look that you know when you care if you like me come from the UK you go into Hollywood you enter into this machine this is your agent this is your lawyer this is your PR this is the this you know and they do that to every you know person who they think that might make money you know and some people make billions some people make millions some people make nothing and the I
01:12:21.000You're just a commodity, you're an object moving into a machine and then when you're no longer suitable for that machine it dispatches with you, dispenses with you and so I wonder, you know, obviously in spite of the fact that I would, I wonder what has changed because I would have thought that the work you did previously was actually valuable and had a lot of integrity and was important and interesting ideas about the assumptions we make about beauty and the Sort of the incarceration of women in ideas around beauty.
01:12:54.000But oddly, the cultural space has shifted significantly around feminism, particularly, mostly I suppose in relation to ideas around gender, and in particular transgender ideas.
01:13:07.000And your style of journalism, in particular as a result of what you've explained, became untenable and verboten.
01:13:21.000Does it make you question the value of the work you were doing up to that point?
01:13:24.000Does it make you question the credibility of the work you were doing up to that point?
01:13:30.000One of my mates once said, you know, you see a billboard of yourself on Sunset Boulevard and you think you're a real big shot, but that's just a side effect Of someone else making money out of you.
01:13:42.000And also I sometimes think when figures emerge, whether it's Steven Pinker or Yuval Noah Harari, these fated intellectuals, I now get the sense that there is some sort of, if not shadowy committee, some blob, some force, that's like, that intellectual's useful.
01:13:58.000Those ideas, push those ideas around materialism, push those ideas around atheism, or whatever it happens to be.
01:14:04.000So I just wonder if you have a feeling about how you were utilised Prior to banishment, if we can use those terms.
01:14:13.000Yeah, well, you're going right to root causes, Mr. Branch, and I think you're right.
01:14:19.000I don't question the value of the work I did because I think part of why I had to be taken off the chessboard, and by the way, the kind of trying to get me off the chessboard actually predated the pandemic to 2019, but it was predictable.
01:14:36.000Like, if there's going to be a massive assault, On the human species' ability to reproduce, who is going to reliably and credibly speak out against it or break the news to people?
01:14:49.000You know, it's a handful of people who have the platform that I had.
01:14:52.000And so if you were planning this rollout, and we know that with event 21-201, I think it was planned, you know, I will take me off the chessboard in that case, as well as other people who might be willing to raise the alarm.
01:15:05.000But let me speak to your question, such a good one, about the production of culture.
01:15:11.000I, and also I want to say I didn't want to believe it was a depopulation effort.
01:15:17.000I go right to the evidence, but being a political consultant in the past led me to reason backward with evidence.
01:15:24.000And your initial analogy about the bowling balls is a really good one.
01:15:27.000Political consultants know that history is manufactured, right?
01:15:32.000You're in the rooms in which Plans are made to tell a story, to get a population to believe a thing that will then allow them to act en masse or allow action to be done to them.
01:15:44.000So as a result of having been in those rooms, I do look at history or current events and think, who benefits?
01:15:54.000And then I reasoned backward to who put that in place.
01:15:58.000And that's a very good way to figure out what's going on.
01:16:01.000Because you know that the stories are usually manufactured.
01:16:04.000And that's why the term conspiracy theorist is such a red herring and such a kind of toxic term.
01:16:10.000Because I've been in the rooms where the pinnacles of power deploy themselves in the population.
01:16:18.000And literally, it is a conspiracy, you know, every time in the sense that it's powerful people getting together with no press release, often with no paper trail at all.
01:16:28.000It's very important not to have a paper trail in many of these meetings, because you don't want to be subpoenaed.
01:16:42.000I don't know what you call that, if not, you know, a conspiracy theory.
01:16:47.000It's the technical definition of conspiracy.
01:16:49.000So I really hope people drop this term conspiracy theory and use their critical reasoning all the time, but go back to old-fashioned journalism and old-fashioned critical thinking in which you're allowed to have a hypothesis, right?
01:17:03.000And when the evidence confirms your hypothesis, then it's confirmed.
01:17:08.000Otherwise, we're being kind of gaslit into never having a hypothesis.
01:17:12.000Or never reasoning backward from events.
01:17:14.000All right, leaving that aside, I do now agree and believe that a lot of culture is manufactured.
01:17:22.000And I do agree with you that you and I were probably kind of allowed to surface in the ways that we did.
01:17:32.000I wouldn't say necessarily for nefarious, well, yeah, for kind of big picture chessboard reasons of which we were unaware.
01:17:40.000The same way we were taken down or, you know, the attempts were made to take us down in a way beyond normal criticism, right?
01:17:49.000Let's face it, like there were, you know, highly sophisticated deployments of opinion in social media and commentators in both of our cases trying to discredit us.
01:18:01.000So I think that in my case, my work happened to fit a big picture attack on the family and kind of fetishization of female autonomy and kind of critique of femininity, right?
01:18:24.000Traditional femininity that played into the hands of these kind of invisible globalists Whose final kind of effort to destroy the family, destroy love, destroy sexuality, destroy seduction, destroy women in particular, has reached its fruition.
01:19:12.000And then for 35 years, I was so famous.
01:19:15.000I'm talented, I'm a good writer, I'm a good researcher, but in retrospect, there was a lot that was probably not organic about that because I think these people needed a face for for versions of feminism that then became horribly monstrosized.
01:19:36.000I didn't do it, but I probably inadvertently set the stage for it.
01:19:40.000Which is what we've got now, where young women think it's selfish to have babies, or that it's objectifying themselves to wear a dress, or that they should never be nice to men because that's serving the patriarchy.
01:19:53.000And now, you know, we've got this catastrophic drop.
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01:21:20.000God, that's very brilliant and incredibly, what do I want to say, open-minded and spiritually agile to consider that because I like to insist that I'm brilliant and all this has happened because I'm brilliant but like you can see the utility.
01:21:42.000I'm thinking about what role I performed in the function, kind of a revivification of the idea of hedonism,
01:21:50.000a kind of sexually charged androgyny, a trivialization of promiscuity.
01:22:00.000And also as well, there were kind of preemptive moments, Naomi,
01:22:05.000where I sensed the culture was toxic in the places that most claimed to be pure.
01:22:14.000When I, you know, in the new ecclesiastical models, in the new media church, and ultimately I could only be heading towards that most pious of organisations here, the Guardian, because I remember when I first sort of spoke out about politics, which was so sort of I don't know.
01:22:36.000I went on Jeremy Paxman's show Newsnight, which is a sort of a UK version of 60 Minutes or something with a hard-hitting journalist who kind of defined the space in this country for a while.
01:22:48.000He was the one that would take down politicians with aggressive interviews and demand they told the truth.
01:22:52.000And, like, on that show once, I said, like, I've never voted, and I would never vote, no, when I grow up with votes, because everyone just almost institutionally regards politics as some irrelevant bagatelle that's not for them and doesn't make any difference to their lives.
01:23:08.000And it caused such consternation and outrage, and, but I could tell, but, you know, because social media was, you know, not where it is now, but there was enough going on to recognize when you'd hit a nerve, That I was onto something and, fool that I was, I thought it was actually sort of about me because of my aforementioned tendencies towards self-regard.
01:23:29.000But like, what I subsequently noted is that It was organizations that you would regard as liberal that were the most ferocious, that were the most cruel, that were the most threatened, and it's revealing.
01:23:49.000It's revealing that you perform a function in the culture when you are not useful for that function anymore.
01:23:58.000What's particularly interesting about your journey is, in a sense, You were always doing the same thing, but somehow the wind changed and a different role was required.
01:24:09.000I've heard it said before that the motivating idea behind many of these cultural movements is a kind of Gosh, it's a kind of a godslayer mentality that, at its heart, wants to remove all possibility of a universal principle and to place self, self, the most sort of like that, the most ugly incarnation of what self might be, in a kind of deified role, practically a deity, in so much as it ordains reality and there is no principle to countenance or obstruct
01:24:48.000Or overrule the idea that what you want, i.e.
01:24:51.000the expression of your petty and trivial selfish desires, ought never be met with, diluted by, challenged by, or limited by ideas like community, grace, kindness, beauty, love, sacrifice.
01:25:07.000All these ideas are just cast out and instead of them this, I have to say, rather demonic idea of self-fulfillment and I can see why I as a sort of
01:25:16.000the little addict that I, you know, to some degree still am but God knows I'm working on it,
01:25:21.000like as a sort of a great Aurea Boris of consuming would be a useful celebrity, let's
01:25:29.000say in the way that perhaps some of your brilliant writing was temporarily useful. If I
01:25:34.000can say for a moment, one of the things I liked while looking at Wikipedia and having to
01:25:38.000scan through the bits where it says you're a conspiracy theorist and not to be trusted, I like
01:25:43.000it that you once sort of spoke out about some of those ISIS beheading videos and like the quote that's,
01:25:48.000you know, in all fairness given on the Wikipedia page suggests that you were applying a level
01:26:27.000I was saying they were from a single source.
01:26:30.000And I'm an old-fashioned journalist who was trained that if it's just one source and it's not a confirmed source, it's not fact yet.
01:26:37.000You need two confirmed sources for something to go on the record journalistically.
01:26:42.000And so that's really important as it turns out that I recognized that drumbeat at that time as we've got to invade Syria, we've got to invade Syria, we've got to invade Syria.
01:26:54.000And there were all these atrocity stories, true or not true, we didn't know.
01:26:59.000And then it turns out that most of them came from one source, which turned out to be a corrupted source with ties to the intelligence agency.
01:27:10.000Of course, no one ever goes back and adds to Wikipedia, you know, and Naomi was right to make sure that these sources were confirmed before we Send soldiers to fight dirty wars, you know dirty undeclared wars.
01:27:27.000They sent soldiers to fight dirty undeclared wars and people got killed in Syria, but But always especially knowing the history.
01:27:35.000I mean, I have a really good education, you know, thank God and over and over again when people when Rich people want to make money off of conflict.
01:27:45.000They will drum up atrocity stories to get governments to go along, to get populations to be fired up with war fever.
01:27:54.000You know, World War I, World War II, the Crimean War.
01:27:57.000I mean, you can go back to as far back as there's been kind of modern media or modernism, and you see these This wave of atrocity stories preceding, okay, fine, we'll go to war, we'll send our usually working class or, you know, lower middle class sons, more recently sons and daughters, to fight and die for Richmond's dirty wars where people make lots of money or other interests are served.
01:28:23.000So that's just always what I was warning people, you know, and you've got that with the Yellow Cake story with going You know, going into Iraq, going into Afghanistan, you've got this pattern over and over and over, and people really need to be sophisticated readers of media now, which is what I was trying to teach them to be, to understand that you need to question the sourcing for every shock horror story you're being told by the government, by the media, because if you don't have two good sources,
01:28:58.000And the last three or four years, Mr. Brand, of the pandemic are such a great example of that.
01:29:05.000All these horrifying, terrifying stories turned out to be predicated on lies and nonsense.
01:29:11.000And if people had raised more questions earlier about the sourcing for things like the COVID map that the Office of National Statistics in Britain was showing on every major news site in England to drive people into lockdowns and, you know, not seeing their neighbors, not having a cup of tea with their neighbors in their garden, businesses closing, you know, forced, coerced injections, essentially, that are now killing and sterilizing and disabling British people.
01:29:40.000You know, if they'd asked the questions I asked at the Office of National Statistics, where can we see the data sets?
01:30:06.000No one in Britain realized it at the time and the media was completely complacent.
01:30:11.000Yes, it's astonishing that even when reporting on or inquiring about something as evidently barbaric as the beheading of service personnel or embassy workers or whoever it was, that it's worth inquiring as to where the information has come from.
01:30:32.000And in the case that we were referring to, it was coming from an organization called CITE, Which as you said is government funded and now it's commonly understood that numerous apparently independent organizations receive funding from CIA cutouts and then state funded organizations like the BBC as you said received significant funding from groups who had an interest at least in
01:31:03.000Propagating and popularizing COVID injection or mRNA injection uptake.
01:31:11.000And because of what I feel, and in a sense I'm referring back to my earlier question about what is this invisible force that is moving in the culture?
01:31:21.000Partly what I sense we are tackling, Naomi, is that in our hands now we have the ability to communicate and challenge Assumptions so quickly and so effectively through social media and particularly how independent media and independent journalism might deploy that technology and what might be implicit politically from that.
01:31:47.000The kind of political movements and social movements that might be born of the type of consensus and type of clarity, transparency and consensus that could be born of that.
01:31:58.000We are seeing but it is disguising itself, the real-time opposition and
01:32:06.000attempt to constrict, control and break down what would otherwise be, it seems to me at
01:32:13.000least, a momentum towards decentralisation, more liberty, greater communication, transparency, clarity,
01:32:23.000ability for self-governance, ability for demonopolisation, immediate intercommunication, new
01:32:32.000alliances. As that potential is felt, what we're witnessing is the creation of new categories
01:32:39.000like misinformation, malinformation, disinformation, manufacture of surveillance, legitimisation
01:32:47.000of different types of social credit score and citizen management techniques and I would
01:32:54.000say kind of smoke bombs continually being dropped in the culture that might mean that when any
01:33:01.000two human beings meet, they enter into that.
01:33:04.000That pact or that what could be a good faith interaction we've loaded with, oh I wonder what this person thinks about trans issues?
01:33:13.000I wonder what they think about racial issues?
01:33:17.000They're sort of creating of a sort of an insidious mistrust at the most basic social level and I Yeah, I mean, I guess that wasn't a question, that was an announcement.
01:33:35.000I suppose what we could pursue is that when you talked about the legitimisation of war, we are, I think, seeing now with both the Ukraine-Russia conflict and escalating events in the Middle East, the potential for dissent and the difficulty in creating a sense of broad domestic support for those kind of conflicts. Do you think that, do
01:34:00.000you agree with that assessment? Do you think it's becoming harder for America
01:34:04.000to be involved in wars that don't directly affect American people?
01:34:11.000Well there's definitely a, I mean first of all I want to say I agree with you
01:34:17.000that there's a systematic effort because of the implications of the internet, of
01:34:24.000other forms of communication in allowing us to be empowered with knowledge from
01:34:29.000Grassroots level up and create new institutions that can bypass the gatekeepers for sure.
01:34:55.000And the race is toward, as you say, central bank digital currency, social credit scores, you know, speech laws in Ireland, in France, you know, Britain, the cradle of free speech, the cradle of democracy.
01:35:14.000Having shocking restrictions on speech.
01:35:17.000I'm actually due to either appear or be live streamed on June 11th at one of your courts because Ofcom, your media watchdog, has taken action against Mark Stein.
01:35:30.000A commentator whose show appeared in Britain on GBTV, as I understand, because I had told Mark Stein about what was in Pfizer documents.
01:35:39.000And so Britain got to hear about the reproductive damage in the Pfizer documents, all cracked down on him and his show.
01:35:47.000And, you know, this is, this is Britain.
01:35:49.000And we didn't, in the complaint, it doesn't say Dr. Wolf said anything that wasn't true.
01:35:55.000It said what she said could cause distress and offense.
01:35:59.000So that's the state of free speech in Britain right now.
01:36:02.000You know, you have to defend it in a court of law against the government, essentially.
01:36:06.000But having said all of that, There is an effort to divide us for sure.
01:36:12.000And so to the United States and the effort to get the U.S.
01:36:17.000to support war, people are seeing, these things are all related, people are seeing in Western Europe and in the United States the impact of the globalist effort to shatter our cultures with mass illegal immigration.
01:36:32.000from many places around the world that don't have a memory or a history of democracy, women's equality, and civil rights.
01:36:41.000And I am the daughter of an immigrant, granddaughter of immigrants.
01:37:02.000And so, and you can't have a culture if the people are coming in from so many different places so quickly that they can't get acculturated to what it means to be American, or what it means to be British, or what it means to be French.
01:37:14.000And that is, again, not a racist thing to say.
01:37:19.000And Western cultures are also precious.
01:37:22.000I'm not saying they're, you know, better in every way than every other culture, but Liberty, democracy, human rights, these took centuries to develop as a social consensus in the West and intentionally the globalists are flooding my country and your country with people from Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, no history or memory of democracy and these injections are killing and disabling the people who do have those memories so that, as Ed Dowd says,
01:37:53.000You know, who's bringing forth these data sets of people being disabled and dying, wait five years, and you're going to have a completely different demographic with a different institutional memory in Western Europe and North America, in which the globalists can just roll out their neo-feudalism because the people who remember democracy, freedom of speech, human rights, women's rights, equality, accountability, transparency, will be gone or too sick to fight.
01:38:21.000All right, so in America what this goes to is nationalism, right?
01:38:28.000We've been taught, especially people like you and me who've lived on the adorable left, we've been taught that nationalism is a dirty word and that you shouldn't love your country and you shouldn't Say, you know, being British is great or being American is great.
01:39:57.000I think that's happening in Western Europe as well.
01:39:59.000And it's the rise of the right-wing parties.
01:40:03.000But if the alternative to the right-wing parties Is kind of the EU suspending all of your autonomy and rights as subject people with no accountability, which turns out is what the EU is all about.
01:40:17.000Unelected diplomats deciding what happens in your country.
01:40:23.000And you get no say in your community, no say, no real democracy at all.
01:40:29.000I'm not surprised that right-wing nationalist entities are rising up and a lot of them are making a lot of sense.
01:40:36.000It's fascinating and terrifying what you were saying and when earlier on you indicated that you would with your own journalism work backwards to try to calculate what the various motivations might be And who benefits from certain policies or ideas.
01:40:59.000And I feel that when we, what we're discussing is control and the ability to manage citizens, creating various areas of potential discourse that you cannot discuss is a very useful way, along with the category of conspiracy theorist, of preventing even speculation on a subject as potentially explosive as that which you
01:41:25.000have just outlined, which like is a controversial subject isn't it on online spaces,
01:41:30.000replacement theory, and yet further to you know observe oh these are mostly
01:41:36.000males, which is a sort of something that people have commonly observed about immigration and I
01:41:41.000suppose the more neutral, should we say, if you can even use a word like neutral now, a take on that
01:41:48.000would be well those are the people that would come looking for opportunities for work.
01:42:00.000It's not often I say that I'd rather listen to you than myself, but I'll say it today, I would rather listen to you.
01:42:06.000But just let me finish the thought, but please pick up on that, what I've just said is inaccurate in terms of, oh, the assumption will be an economic or social economic one.
01:42:16.000That not being able to talk about immigration and culture and nationalism and whether there's another version of nationalism.
01:42:22.000At the time of Brexit, a friend of mine whose opinion I really value, the filmmaker Adam Curtis, said, you know, why was there never a, inverted commas, left-wing take on Brexit?
01:42:33.000Why was it only regarded as a nationalistic issue and a racist and immigration rather than what's plainly emotionally taking place is a sense that we are not in control, that there's a professional metropolitan class
01:42:47.000that don't care about ordinary people, that talk about them disparagingly, that are always looking
01:42:51.000for opportunities to vilify them while creating policies that directly affect them, that are
01:42:56.000not taking into account the economic impact of, for example, and most obviously immigration. So
01:43:02.000I'm interested also in the idea that as various sort of members of what would have
01:43:09.000once been the intelligentsia, glitterati, or whatever category I once belonged to, are sort of bumped
01:43:15.000off by the cancelling and deplatforming culture, there's this potential new consensus
01:43:21.000that might say, you know, the unthinkable, unsayable heresy that, wow, if you are interested in
01:43:29.000democracy, maybe you have an obligation to vote for Trump.
01:43:33.000Rather than Biden because this sort of banalizing, bureaucratic, Huxley-esque, nightmarish, aggregating, accumulating control in order to protect you for your safety and convenience vision of politics is more terrifying than the rather sort of caricatured You know, 20th century atavism of a strongman.
01:43:55.000That's not so fucking frightening as what's being proposed and what's being moved towards.
01:44:00.000So I wonder if you could pick up on my misconception and mischaracterization of the nature of this immigration around gender and working age and unpack some of that other stuff.
01:44:10.000Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that you're wrong.
01:44:13.000I was saying people who say, oh, it's normal to have military-age men with military haircuts, whose clothing all seems to come from the same place, who all have the physique of soldiers, pour into your country and mine.
01:44:48.000They come or, like my grandpa, they wait six years and work to bring their families in legally so that they can be Americans or British or, you know, whatever it is they want to be.
01:45:01.000If you look at people pouring in, I'll stick to my country because I haven't looked at the streams of immigrants into Britain or Western Europe as carefully, but in our country, the people who are flowing in, there are no disabled people.
01:45:15.000There are no elders, like none, right?
01:45:28.000They are having, and I did original reporting on this and wrote this story, there's a three-country staging area south of the United States that the combination of the UN and our own State Department has put together to solicit, support, feed, shepherd, ferry, transition, and then bus and fly these millions of people of military age and military demeanor to certain incredibly sensitive areas around the country.
01:46:03.000O'Hare Airport in Chicago, Boston Logan in Boston, and then to house them, which has never happened before in the history of U.S.
01:46:12.000Not my grandparents, not my dad, never did the government give anyone from anywhere, let alone descendants of enslaved people in our country, Free group housing in barracks type accommodations, and that's what you're seeing in the United States.
01:46:26.000And again, my husband is a former military intelligence, and he points out that these newcomers march in cadence, and they stand at parade rest, and there seems to be like officers from whom they're taking direction, if you analyze the videos of people coming in.
01:46:47.000So it's incredibly concerning because it's the UN doing it, which it is, and the State Department, then what you've got is, again, reasoning backward.
01:46:58.000Reasoning backward, it looks like an invasion, right?
01:47:01.000Reasoning backward is like, look at what happened on October 7th.
01:47:05.000And please let me know if our video and audio are fine, because you're not moving.
01:47:09.000But what happened on October 7th in Britain is that the southern border of Israel... I'm sorry, let me say it again.
01:47:17.000What happened on October 7th in Israel is that a handful of terrorists crossed the southern border and brought a whole country to its knees.
01:47:25.000change the outcome of Middle East history to hostages in a heartbeat and the ripple effects
01:47:33.000and you know provoked a terrible, terrible loss of life in Gaza and there's conflict in the area
01:47:41.000again. Well, imagine what could happen in Britain or in America in a heartbeat if you know these,
01:47:49.000if of these 19 million people, 12 to 19 million people, if a handful are terrorists or a handful
01:48:34.000And that's what we're seeing in America right now.
01:48:37.000The police are being told to stand down.
01:48:39.000The newcomers are being encouraged to become police.
01:48:42.000They're being encouraged to become healthcare workers.
01:48:45.000And so what you're getting is what we do in other countries, which is the creation of a A class of people who have no allegiance to the United States, who are not citizens, who broke the law to get here, who are being promoted and empowered above the level of Americans, given arms, given authority, who are basically creating a fifth column from within, you know, bit by bit by bit, to subjugate our country.
01:49:11.000We're going to be hard to subjugate because we're armed, but Britain and Western Europe are not going to be hard to subjugate.
01:49:16.000Because you don't have arms, you don't even have representational democracy.
01:49:24.000I suppose while you are unpacking that terrifying theory, I sort of felt myself caught up by a realization that I had had previously during the pandemic period, that the driving idea behind the pandemic already had a simple moral problem built into it in so much as we were invited to lock down our whole countries to take this medication because why?
01:51:39.000Yes, and I don't see that kind of compassion elsewhere.
01:51:42.000I don't see it when, you know, even now while there are trials in the United Kingdom around, for example, AstraZeneca and other sort of vaccine injuries, the legal costs are being funded by the taxpayer, any payouts will be funded by the taxpayer, the development of the vaccines similarly, it It just feels like a racket, Naomi, and discussing the racket has to be censored because otherwise people would start realising it's a racket.
01:52:15.000Yeah, I mean, you've said things that are really important.
01:52:19.000There's, and again, AI can really do this now at a scale beyond human beings, but why do we have a sense, if we're polite people in liberal circles, that you cannot talk about immigration?
01:52:31.000And I've spent many years in Europe and in Britain, especially, and I remember getting into horrible fights when Brexit was being discussed because I had, with my British friends, I was a graduate student in Britain because
01:52:47.000I had looked for the digital database of EU laws, as well as British law, and I found that it's very hard to know what the laws are in Britain, or how to affect bills that are being debated to become law, or even find them in the past, right?
01:53:07.000And in the EU, it's literally impossible.
01:53:10.000You literally cannot find what's being presented for debate in the European Union Parliament, let alone affect it.
01:53:21.000And that's when I found out that you really aren't a democracy, that they're going to take away your rights if you join the European Union, and that you barely have rights in Britain, because most people really don't know how to stop a bill, how to affect legislation.
01:53:34.000They really shut off the avenues for civic engagement in Britain.
01:53:40.000It's not quite as much of a sham as in Europe, but it is difficult.
01:53:44.000And I remember having horrible fights with some of my favorite people and really being called a racist because I was warning if you Stay in the EU, you won't have any ability.
01:54:35.000But what was clear to me, even when it looked so good, is that this, once I found out about the legislative non-existence process, is that they could pull a string and it would all collapse in absolute tyranny on the people of Europe.
01:55:15.000And so where I was going with this is...
01:55:17.000Given kind of taboo areas, right, around the issue of immigration, or other things you're not supposed to discuss, like raising questions about the injection, that's what people have to get in the habit of looking for.
01:56:03.000Well Naomi, it seems somewhat impertinent to ask what the reasoning is behind the title of your book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age, which prior to talking to you, I wondered if it might be Cassandra-ish, hyperbolic, but having spoken to you for an hour, It's pretty clear what we're discussing and it's also clear what's required in order to oppose it.
01:56:29.000I'm very excited to receive and read your book.
01:56:33.000There's a link in the description if you want to order a copy of it and yeah, I'll be reading it.
01:56:39.000Naomi, it's been so fascinating to speak with you.
01:56:42.000I found it really, really rather gripping and exciting.
01:56:50.000I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Naomi Wolf.
01:56:52.000Remember, you can get her new book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age by clicking the link that we're posting now in the chat.
01:57:00.000I'm excited to read it myself, as I think I made pretty clear.
01:57:03.000Next week, we've got some incredibly special shows coming up.
01:57:08.000Monday, we are talking about the march to global war.
01:57:20.000We talked about that a lot with Naomi just now, didn't we?
01:57:22.000Yesterday's conspiracy is today's news.
01:57:24.000Think about the number of times during the pandemic period and around subjects such as war and censorship you've been told, that's a conspiracy theory, you're nuts, you're out of your mind.
01:57:32.000We now know that generating fear and self-censorship in those areas is one way of controlling the conversation.
01:57:39.000And on Friday's show we'll be talking about the deep state.
01:57:42.000Part of that will be formed with a conversation with Mike Benz that you're gonna Absolutely love and the reason there's only three shows next week is I'm taking some time off to prepare for Russell in residence at Rumble.
01:57:53.000We'll be talking to Chris Pawlowski, the CEO of Rumble and a lot more guests in that space and a lot more guests in that state.
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01:58:05.000Remember, we've got an amazing video on CERN and some of the conspiracy theories around it, as well as the quite complex facts of what they're actually doing there explicitly.
01:58:12.000Not to say that they're not trying to open a hell mouth.