Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Battle for Power: Trump’s Plan, Elon’s Purge & the DEI Illusion – SF545

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00:02:23.000 Hello there you awakening wonders.

00:02:32.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:35.000 It's a spectacular Thursday show because it's Stay Free Oracles with Lara Logan and living Turin Shroud himself, Mr Neil Oliver of Stirling.

00:02:46.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:02:47.000 It's going to be a fantastic show.

00:02:49.000 I know it already, Neil.

00:02:51.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:02:53.000 But it's you, Russell.

00:02:55.000 You are the embodiment.

00:02:57.000 You are the manifestation of...

00:03:01.000 We are all the manifestation of Christ Jesus from a Christian perspective, but it never becomes more obvious that God is real than when you look at...

00:03:11.000 Shall we put together Psalm 82?

00:03:14.000 You are all gods.

00:03:16.000 You are all sons and daughters of the Most High.

00:03:19.000 That is very good.

00:03:20.000 I was about to do a really brilliant link and compliment there, but Neil, we can't trump scripture.

00:03:26.000 Lara, thank you very much for joining us.

00:03:33.000 We're going to start off today by talking about standards in the workplace, which seems like an appropriate way to begin when you've worked with Neil Oliver.

00:03:41.000 What are the standards that we should all be held accountable to?

00:03:44.000 Certainly, Elon Musk's emails to government employees has ruffled some feathers, but according to CNN, it's also hitting the right note with the election.

00:03:55.000 I got this email Saturday afternoon about 3pm.

00:03:59.000 And I felt absolutely infuriated getting this email with a demand within 48 hours to provide a response on what I did within the last week or face termination.

00:04:13.000 This is clearly an attempt from Elon Musk to harass and bully and intimidate the federal workforce.

00:04:21.000 Well, look, Lara, we're all held to standards, aren't we?

00:04:24.000 In the workplace, dress codes, codes of conduct.

00:04:28.000 Why are government employees so outraged to receive this email?

00:04:32.000 Is it wildly inappropriate?

00:04:33.000 And is it a bigger fear that the departments of government will be swept clean of civil servants only to be replaced by AI? What do you think, Lara?

00:04:43.000 Well, I'm glad you raised dress codes because, you know, in the workplace you're supposed to wear clothes, not half a shirt.

00:04:51.000 You know, Russell, just saying.

00:04:53.000 Rich coming from you, madam.

00:04:59.000 This is the funniest thing.

00:05:01.000 This is really the funniest thing ever.

00:05:03.000 There's nothing more nauseating to me than having to watch some government employee whine because they're outraged that they were asked to account for their productivity. 0.69

00:05:13.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:05:16.000 I grew up in a world where you were only as good as your last story, not even the story that you were working on.

00:05:22.000 And if I would go to my boss at 60 Minutes and tell him about a problem that I was having with some story, something I was dealing with, he would just look at me and say, well, if it was easy, everyone would do it.

00:05:35.000 I mean, of course, it's hard.

00:05:37.000 That's why we're the best.

00:05:39.000 And so I don't have a lot of patience.

00:05:41.000 Just personally, I mean, you take all the politics out of it.

00:05:43.000 I have zero...

00:05:45.000 Behold my field of, you know what, because I have none to give.

00:05:50.000 I couldn't care less about people whining about having to show that they have been productive.

00:05:56.000 But I'm not sure that this is a truly serious thing.

00:06:00.000 I mean, what Trump and Elon Musk have said about the email is that they believe there are ghost employees and that it was sent out as a test because everyone who doesn't respond...

00:06:12.000 They're going to take a look there and make sure that there's an actual person that is working on the end of that email address.

00:06:19.000 So that may have been the purpose.

00:06:22.000 We don't know.

00:06:22.000 I'm big on what I don't know.

00:06:24.000 I'm big on being respectful of the fact that we're not right inside there.

00:06:29.000 We don't know exactly what they're up to.

00:06:30.000 I do think that's a legitimate reason for them to say that they sent that out because when you consider that all the people that are supposedly over 150, 160, 180, 200 years, Old, who have been getting Social Security payments.

00:06:45.000 I mean, this is a reckoning.

00:06:46.000 And, you know, for too long, civil servants in this country have gotten away with not having to be accountable to anyone.

00:06:53.000 And those days are over.

00:06:55.000 So, you know what this is, Russell?

00:06:57.000 I know you're not paying attention.

00:06:59.000 I'm going to make you look at me.

00:07:00.000 I am!

00:07:01.000 Concentrating!

00:07:02.000 This is the world's...

00:07:04.000 You know what it is?

00:07:05.000 What is this?

00:07:06.000 This is the world's smallest violin.

00:07:08.000 Can you hear it?

00:07:09.000 No, because nobody cares.

00:07:12.000 Well, I thought it was sort of that you were doing something to tempt a recalcitrant mouse.

00:07:18.000 Neil Oliver, I wonder if you feel that this type of reckoning is precisely what is required, or will it augur a new AI era where machines, rather than human beings, run the vast enterprise of America?

00:07:38.000 I think it plays into a lot of the stories that we seem to be being told at the moment.

00:07:47.000 You know, the idea that's been pushed about useless eaters.

00:07:54.000 You know, we've been invited to accept that much of the population is of no value.

00:08:04.000 And you take from that what you will.

00:08:08.000 And I do wonder, you know, at the extent to which what's being proposed here is part of that.

00:08:16.000 I mean, I live in Scotland, and it's acknowledged that here, I don't know, a third of the working population, if not more, is employed by the government or council, you know, public employees at some level.

00:08:38.000 Which invites a person to think that there's just a sponge out there that's absorbing people and providing them with a livelihood.

00:08:54.000 But in return, it's questionable how much value the people so absorbed are actually returning.

00:09:05.000 They're just being taken care of in a way.

00:09:09.000 It's like a kind of a care in the community situation that's going on.

00:09:14.000 But I think on the face of it, and in a determination to find out who's out there, what they're actually doing, how often they're doing it, if indeed they actually exist, I think is...

00:09:32.000 You know, that's an appropriate thing to do.

00:09:35.000 That's a long overdue audit of what's being done with taxpayers' money.

00:09:48.000 And, I mean, I keep on saying all the time, you know, whatever the government gives, whatever any government gives, is something that it has taken from someone else.

00:10:01.000 Your governments don't have any money.

00:10:04.000 They just invite themselves to help themselves to the products of other people's effort and then make a show of doing something with that.

00:10:16.000 But it's theft.

00:10:18.000 They take from someone else and give to whomever they think that donation will make them look good.

00:10:27.000 I mean, on the face of it, I think what's happening is right.

00:10:31.000 Find out who's out there, what are they being given, what are they doing in return for it, and then once we know what that picture is, we could collectively and usefully make a decision about what to do next.

00:10:44.000 Well, and I do just have to say this one thing, Russell.

00:10:47.000 The very people that are on television crying about having to be accountable for what they are doing.

00:10:53.000 I mean, when you look at Washington, D.C., it's supposedly 80% registered Democrats.

00:10:59.000 These are people who despise millions of taxpayers across the country.

00:11:05.000 They look down on them.

00:11:08.000 They regularly talk about that they have no right to exist.

00:11:12.000 They're Neanderthals. 0.97

00:11:13.000 They're the unwashed masses. 1.00

00:11:15.000 They're the deplorables. 0.99

00:11:16.000 They're the awful MAGA people. 0.96

00:11:18.000 But, you know, they're awful until it takes time to take their hard work, their blood, sweat, and tears, their tax money that they're paying.

00:11:27.000 So, you know, this is...

00:11:28.000 There's a poetry to this that is quite extraordinary.

00:11:33.000 It has never happened in our lifetimes.

00:11:35.000 Where the people who actually, you know, keep this country going in many respects, the people that are working, you know, multiple jobs out there very often, where they're being heard.

00:11:46.000 Their voices are being heard.

00:11:48.000 And those who disregard them and dismiss them and patronize them and look down on them.

00:11:55.000 Now they're being held to account.

00:11:56.000 And they don't like it one bit.

00:11:58.000 So it's poetic justice in many respects.

00:12:01.000 And I do have to say, I'm not a big fan.

00:12:06.000 I don't like Neuralink and all the rest of it.

00:12:09.000 But I do see here an information narrative that's being played that says, oh, Musk is doing this because he wants to get rid of human beings.

00:12:16.000 So Musk is the one who said, if you've got a government job, you shouldn't be doing it.

00:12:21.000 At home, you've got to show up to work.

00:12:23.000 Trump said you've got to show up to work.

00:12:25.000 That was one of the first executive orders.

00:12:27.000 And none of these people seem to want to show up to work or be held accountable.

00:12:31.000 I don't know what planet they're living on, but I know that I speak for millions in this country when I say this day is long overdue and they are 100% behind this effort.

00:12:49.000 I don't understand why you would be averse to turning up for work.

00:12:55.000 I mean, I've been through...

00:12:59.000 I've had loads of different bits of a career.

00:13:03.000 I mean, I haven't had one career.

00:13:04.000 I've done all sorts of things.

00:13:06.000 I was an archaeologist.

00:13:10.000 I was a field-working archaeologist, digging things, digging up things.

00:13:14.000 And then I'd retrained as a journalist.

00:13:15.000 And then I worked in PR and then I worked in internet things at the very beginning of the internet.

00:13:23.000 And at all times it was about being with other people.

00:13:27.000 That was how I let that first and foremost, being as a beginner, being in amongst other archaeologists, other journalists or whatever was how I learned how to do that.

00:13:40.000 It was a, you know, it was a collective collegiate thing.

00:13:44.000 That was what it was all about.

00:13:47.000 For me, it seemed to crystallise during the whole COVID lockdown period where people were told to go home and be in their pyjamas and maybe just connect with school or with their employer via a screen.

00:14:05.000 There is a part of all of us.

00:14:13.000 Possibly offered the opportunity to withdraw from all of it.

00:14:18.000 You might.

00:14:19.000 You know, if you could just stay at home in your pyjamas with access to your duvet, you might do that.

00:14:27.000 But it's not good.

00:14:30.000 Most of us need the spur to get out there and be in amongst the body politic and do the thing.

00:14:41.000 And now that there's this building aversion to being summoned back into the office or into the shop or into the collective, and this suggestion that you ought to be entitled to just do what it is that you're being paid for where no one can see you, it's right to jolt people out of that.

00:15:02.000 There's no future for civilisation and community.

00:15:07.000 If everyone's just back in their Paddington Bear pyjamas under the duvet, connecting with the rest of the world via, you know, via email.

00:15:17.000 Russell doesn't wear pyjamas deal.

00:15:20.000 I own Paddington pyjamas.

00:15:22.000 Russell, you don't wear pyjamas, do you?

00:15:24.000 I'm from nape to neck, from toe to top, smothered in...

00:15:30.000 In Paddington patterns, Lara, for the purposes of this conversation.

00:15:34.000 Now, it's nice to know that Neil...

00:15:37.000 I don't believe it.

00:15:37.000 Well, it's true.

00:15:38.000 It happens to be true.

00:15:39.000 It's nice to know that Neil Oliver worked as an archaeologist.

00:15:43.000 At least his own sartorial choices start to make some sort of sense now.

00:15:48.000 The neck of chiefs.

00:15:49.000 What are you trying to say?

00:15:49.000 The safari suit.

00:15:50.000 This is a new shirt.

00:15:52.000 I'm wearing a new shirt for you.

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00:15:57.000 You look lovely and it's glad that you're making a real effort amongst us, your colleagues, though of course we are all working remotely, literally right now. 1.00

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00:17:46.000 We've discussed, I believe, in astonishing depth, the machinations and movements of Doge and how it has kind of diagnosed through its reckoning, in the words of Lara Logan, a kind of ennui in people's hearts, a kind of purposelessness, nihilism, and in the cases of many of the 80% a kind of purposelessness, nihilism, and in the cases of many of the 80% of Washington residents who are Democrat, a kind of antipathy towards the people that they are ultimately Now we're going to take a look at the subject of immigration.

00:18:16.000 Donald Trump has pledged to launch a new gold card scheme where people can essentially acquire American residency or at least access to America to some degree through $5 million.

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00:18:29.000 Immigration is a hot topic in Neil's country of Scotland, where one in three people are a postman working directly for the government, and it's a hot topic around the world.

00:18:39.000 Let's have a look at Trump's new immigration initiative and see how this changes the dynamics of a hotly contested subject.

00:18:47.000 We're going to be doing something else that's going to be very good.

00:18:51.000 We're going to be selling a gold card.

00:18:56.000 You have a green card.

00:18:57.000 This is a gold card.

00:18:58.000 We're going to be putting a price on that card of about $5 million, and that's going to give you green card privileges plus.

00:19:05.000 It's going to be a route to citizenship, and wealthy people will be coming into our country by buying this card.

00:19:12.000 They'll be wealthy, and they'll be successful, and they'll be spending a lot of money and paying a lot of taxes and employing a lot of people.

00:19:19.000 Is this genius or an abomination?

00:19:22.000 It's been said for a long time in the UK that Russian oligarchs were able to access British citizenry via their acquisition of real estate or through favours and connections to people in the administration or government cronyism, in other words.

00:19:38.000 Lara, what do you think?

00:19:38.000 Is this like Trump at his ingenious best or is this kind of deplorable corruption that people have long been terrified would be brought about by his second term?

00:19:49.000 Well, you know, it is true, Russell, that people have been able to buy their way into countries for a long time.

00:19:55.000 Like if you invest, in a sense, there's already a gold card.

00:20:00.000 Because if you invest a certain amount and you create a certain amount of business and you employ a certain number of people, you already have access.

00:20:08.000 So, I mean, you know, people will jump up and down.

00:20:12.000 No matter what Trump says or does on immigration, the Trump haters are going to jump up and down.

00:20:17.000 And for most Americans, I mean, just for the ordinary person out there, they're going to say, well, if America's going to get $5 million and they're going to get rid of the IRS and I don't have to pay taxes anymore, they're not going to mind.

00:20:32.000 I mean, people recognize that the government has to bring in revenue somehow.

00:20:37.000 So in a sense, it's a little bit...

00:20:39.000 Like tariffs, right?

00:20:41.000 Is that the cost is being pushed onto other people.

00:20:44.000 So it just, you know, in principle, I don't think, I think a lot of people in this country are not going to have an issue with it.

00:20:52.000 Is it vulnerable to corruption?

00:20:54.000 Yes, of course.

00:20:55.000 Does it perpetuate a system where the wealthy have access to things that other people don't?

00:21:00.000 Yes, but he's not saying he's going to replace the normal immigration system with this.

00:21:05.000 So it's not like he's shutting off all access for all other people to apply illegally to immigrate to this country.

00:21:11.000 So, I mean, I think that's an empty argument to a degree because the wealthy already have special access to immigration.

00:21:20.000 I will say, however, though, that this immigration issue is a very big one, obviously.

00:21:28.000 It's one that touches people all over this country.

00:21:33.000 This administration is really going to have a difficult time dealing with what has happened because when you've brought in 10,000 people a day, every single day for four years, when you've got 15 million you acknowledge and you've got 18 to 20 million who is the more likely figure have come into this country illegally, you have a shadow culture.

00:21:56.000 That has been imported into this country of people, many of whom, in fact most of them don't speak English, have no real, you know, they don't identify with the United States in any way. 0.97

00:22:08.000 They don't really know the culture or the, you know, understand where this country came from.

00:22:14.000 And so they're not motivated to fight for it in the same way that you would be if perhaps you were born here or if you went through the legal.

00:22:23.000 Immigration process over a long period of time and so how you extricate that from American society is something people all over the world are watching very closely because it's happened in Europe, it's happened elsewhere and this is going to be very tough.

00:22:40.000 You've already got people saying that the Trump administration is targeting unaccompanied minors which are unaccompanied children and it's not true.

00:22:49.000 Targeting unaccompanied minors. 0.91

00:22:51.000 It's all they've done is trying to put in rules to say, we want to figure out where these kids have gone.

00:22:57.000 We want to figure out if they're with family members.

00:22:58.000 We want to make sure they're protected.

00:23:00.000 I mean, the most basic protections that are afforded American children is what they want to apply to unaccompanied migrant children.

00:23:07.000 And the propaganda machine is in overdrive already.

00:23:11.000 So this issue of immigration, I don't like...

00:23:16.000 To project into the future because I'm not a prophet and so I'm always wary of that.

00:23:20.000 But I have very serious concerns right now about how this issue is going to play out.

00:23:25.000 Do you have similar concerns as a British person and do you feel that this is a...

00:23:32.000 Kind of overt and vulgar scheme by Trump, or do you think that Trump is doing what he often does, making explicit what is typically tacit in politics, that wealthy people can bypass rules?

00:23:44.000 And also, Neil, could you follow up on what Lara said about a kind of shadow class of occupants of a nation that are antithetical to that nation's consensual purpose and identity?

00:23:57.000 I think it's always...

00:23:59.000 I find it difficult...

00:24:00.000 In large part as an outsider, I suppose, to the United States.

00:24:05.000 And, you know, I'm not as familiar with Donald Trump as maybe American, well, presumably Americans are.

00:24:14.000 But it does sound like something that could be interpreted as a crass thing to say.

00:24:23.000 You know, I noticed his conflation of $5 million with people who are successful.

00:24:31.000 There's all sorts of ways by which someone could be in possession of $5 million worth of bargaining chips to get into the United States.

00:24:47.000 The child of someone of wealth, someone that has exploited criminality to have $5 million plus wealth.

00:25:00.000 Straightforwardly equate five million dollars with success, which implies, you know, somebody worth having.

00:25:10.000 You know, I would say could be interpreted as a crass statement.

00:25:15.000 And I would always lean towards idealistically or even unrealistically or not, towards a system that was attracting people of merit.

00:25:30.000 You know, I mean, the whole story of the founding of the United States of America, you know, that basal layer is made of people who came with nothing from all parts and all sorts of people and who came and who all they needed was the opportunity and then they could make something of that. 0.87

00:25:52.000 I think for the President of the United States of America to make a statement that could be That could be, I'm not saying it is, but it could be interpreted as being so crass, I think is unfortunate.

00:26:06.000 I'd rather see, I'm not talking about, I'm not even an unequivocal advocate of meritocracy, because I know what the problems are with meritocracy in as much as they, by definition, it means that you're drawing away from people who, societies who need them the very best, and those people are drawn by osmosis.

00:26:28.000 You know, somewhere else, which leaves the community and the society and the civilization that gave birth to them, the less for their absence.

00:26:37.000 But I think the suggestion that, yeah, if you've got five million bucks, however you've got it, you can get in and you can get some kind of platinum card level of US citizenship, I think is...

00:26:52.000 I don't know why someone who's the leader of the free world would...

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00:28:15.000 I've come to regard Donald Trump with a kind of awe.

00:28:19.000 One of the pivotal moments in my own kind of transformation in my perspective on Trump came when Chappelle memorably said...

00:28:29.000 As part of his SNL monologue when Trump was elected the first time, he started to say publicly what we've all believed for a long time, that I know how this works because I've been exploiting the corrupt and hidden levers of power in the way that all of Hillary's donors do.

00:28:47.000 That being one of the standout points.

00:28:49.000 Now, when he does something like posts...

00:28:52.000 Gaza as a holiday destination or says that you can openly acquire citizenship.

00:28:58.000 I start to get the idea that perhaps we're dealing with someone who's better equipped than I am to understand politics.

00:29:06.000 Not that that's a particularly high threshold, but that someone that makes outlandish, bold, and as you say, sometimes crass remarks that are nevertheless somehow hacked in the bureaucratic and administrative space that preceded him. 0.73

00:29:21.000 That themselves were so sort of insidious and cowardly, so duplicitous and dishonest, that I see Trump really as a... 0.85

00:29:32.000 Wrecking Ball summons from the collective imagination.

00:29:34.000 I know that sounds pretty grand, but when Marianne Williams said in the Democratic primaries last time round when they were selecting that if you think this kind of wonkish energy is going to be able to oppose dark psychic forces as summons by Trump, then you've got another thing coming.

00:29:49.000 I'm paraphrasing.

00:29:50.000 And whilst I still don't think of Trump as a dark figure, I think of him as the sort of living embodiment of America's self-image in the way that I would have seen movie stars once if you track.

00:30:01.000 The kind of movie stars that were flung up in the 80s, action heroes, the kind of comic heroes that were full of sort of doubt and self-recrimination in the 90s.

00:30:09.000 And the American culture has to talk to itself.

00:30:12.000 What I feel happened, you know, primarily after sort of the Blair, Obama, Clinton type era of showbiz leaders is that...

00:30:20.000 We kind of created a space for someone that understood those dynamics better than they did.

00:30:25.000 And because they weren't able to offer integrity or statescraft in a way that would exclude the mere showman, we were going to get a figure like this.

00:30:36.000 And I kind of feel that he might midwife into being the kind of ethical decentralization that was perhaps intended by the American founding fathers.

00:30:47.000 that somehow this kind of new trickster mentality of Musk, if you look at his email exchange on the topic we were discussing before on Doge, where someone sends a thing like I spent all last week sucking a 12-inch dick and all this stuff, and Musk, far from being squeamish about it, just goes, I said five things, not far from being squeamish about it, just goes, I said five things, It's just sort of inconceivable that political discourse is taking place on this level, posting pictures of AI selling immigration cards. 0.57

00:31:16.000 But I think, you know...

00:31:17.000 what is this better than Boris?

00:31:18.000 Is it better than Joe Biden?

00:31:20.000 Is it better than what Kamala Harris would have done?

00:31:23.000 Sort of it is.

00:31:24.000 It's sort of what they did was so veiled and darkly bureaucratic and tethered to power that ain't even national but global, corporate, commercial, and I think actually darker.

00:31:37.000 In the same way that for many years people on the left would say, I know the Labour Party aren't good enough, I know the Democrat Party aren't good enough, but they're the least worst option.

00:31:48.000 That's what they used to say.

00:31:49.000 They never used to say, I'm indefatigably connected

00:32:19.000 to the rise of someone like Bobby Kennedy, in whom I have actual sincere faith.

00:32:24.000 I know there are people that have sincere faith in Trump.

00:32:26.000 They're just like, I love this guy.

00:32:28.000 You know, when I think of the platform I'm on, Rumble, like Bongino has left to become part of the government.

00:32:34.000 I mean, I just think that's so sort of mad and novel and extraordinary.

00:32:37.000 I don't feel about, like, Donald Trump, what they do.

00:32:41.000 I'm not saying Dan Bongino.

00:32:43.000 I mean, Trump's supporter base unquestioningly believed in him in an almost religious way.

00:32:47.000 I don't have that.

00:32:48.000 What I think is, this is phenomenal and extraordinary.

00:32:51.000 When we were at Mar-a-Lago last week, Lara Logan, like, you know, I was about...

00:32:56.000 Like, I missed the bit where Trump, like, was doing a speech and called, like, everyone there up on stage because I was, hey, I don't know, maybe I take religion more seriously than most people.

00:33:04.000 I was actually doing the rosary and connecting with the Lord.

00:33:07.000 Anyway, like, after I went and...

00:33:10.000 I saw Mike Tyson and everybody sort of, like, be gathered around him on a stage.

00:33:14.000 It was you, Lara, that said, go up them stairs.

00:33:16.000 You know, you sort of might see him.

00:33:18.000 And indeed, I went up them stairs and he was coming from some cordoned part of Mar-a-Lago.

00:33:24.000 And I saw him in repose talking to a member of the security services.

00:33:29.000 And, like, because, you know, I figure he reckons he's being looked at the whole time, but I didn't want to sort of, like, be like, ooh!

00:33:35.000 Oh, Donald, can I have an autograph?

00:33:37.000 Give us a cuddle.

00:33:38.000 You know, I didn't want to be like a pest.

00:33:40.000 So I just sort of looked at him.

00:33:42.000 And when I, this is a curious and perhaps even grand analogy, but I once, when looking at Jupiter through a telescope, was struck not by its grandeur, but by its fragility.

00:33:54.000 And though there's no doubt that Trump has this ape-like potency, I won't be able to go through what he's gone through.

00:34:00.000 The convictions, the trials, the attacks, the shootings.

00:34:04.000 This is obviously someone who's impressive and powerful.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, like, in a way that I mean is sort of truly awesome, but I don't, I can't understand it, but I do know how the current political, that what preceded him has led to him.

00:34:21.000 I know that's sort of so obvious as to be redundant, but it kind of makes, it makes sense to me in that way, in a way that Lara Logan's ever-shifting dog backdrop doesn't.

00:34:31.000 Every time I look, it's a different dog there.

00:34:34.000 Neil, you were going to, Neil, are you going to say something, mate?

00:34:37.000 Just, you reminded me in your last comment there about, I wrote something years ago now, in another life almost, I think it was 2016 or something, where it seemed to me at the time that Donald Trump was a kind of a Godzilla,

00:34:56.000 in as much as he was inevitable, in as much as, because the world had been made toxic in every way, You know, physically, metaphysically, that Godzilla was the world's response to it, you know, to put mankind back in its place.

00:35:19.000 And I think there's something of that, the inevitability of someone like Donald Trump.

00:35:26.000 We were always going to get in that polybius anicyclosis The process we were going to get Donald Trump, you know, the demagogic figure that met or seems to meet the needs of so many people.

00:35:50.000 And I just think that that is, in and of itself, interesting.

00:35:55.000 I think the fact that, to refer back to what we were just talking about, the $5 million platinum, the gold card thing, It's like a process by which it's being laid bare.

00:36:14.000 And he's almost just the conduit for it.

00:36:18.000 That this is where you end up when you get to the ultra-materialist, consumerist end.

00:36:28.000 This is where you get.

00:36:30.000 You know, if you've got five million bucks, you can get a better America than It's true.

00:36:39.000 I mean, I'm sure it's true.

00:36:41.000 And it's not his fault or his intention.

00:36:44.000 It's just a fact.

00:36:46.000 I think what he does, which people either love or loathe or whatever, is he kind of says, this is where we are.

00:36:57.000 This is the reality that we have created for ourselves.

00:37:02.000 And you know that thing that he says about, you know, they're not coming for you.

00:37:05.000 They're not coming for me.

00:37:06.000 They're coming for you.

00:37:07.000 I'm just standing in the way.

00:37:08.000 In the way.

00:37:09.000 Yeah.

00:37:10.000 It's true.

00:37:10.000 That is true.

00:37:12.000 I think he articulates something that's not really about him.

00:37:17.000 He's just...

00:37:18.000 He is the embodiment of where we are.

00:37:22.000 I agree with that.

00:37:23.000 And I can see that Lara has...

00:37:25.000 As always, so much to add.

00:37:27.000 But, like, what I think additionally is when you looked at figures like Biden and him, like, kind of pretending to be all folksy, you know, in a baseball cap, talking about black people and stuff, I felt like this guy...

00:37:42.000 I felt intuitively that he didn't love people.

00:37:45.000 Who am I to make such an assertion?

00:37:48.000 But that Democrat movement, I know it's built on a kind of a metropolitan elitism, and it's the party, as is the Labour Party now, of a kind of a professional class that's very publicly disavowed and disowned working people, hates them, sees them as deplorables or Brexit racists, depending on which country you're making the assessment from of the two that we're discussing.

00:38:06.000 And with Donald Trump, I don't think Donald Trump...

00:38:11.000 I think that one of the components of this is that he does love truckers and can hang out in a Chick-fil-A and have normal banter with the people behind the counter in a way that Keir Starmer...

00:38:27.000 And in which Joe Biden would falter.

00:38:30.000 So, like, to be a populist, you have to somehow have, like, some interpersonal charisma.

00:38:37.000 And that, in essence, is a sort of a type of love.

00:38:40.000 Well, I'm saying...

00:38:42.000 It's not a value judgment on Trump at all.

00:38:45.000 Well, obviously it is.

00:38:46.000 But, you know, Trump is real.

00:38:49.000 Trump is an absolute three-dimensional thing.

00:38:53.000 Biden, by contrast, was dandruff.

00:38:59.000 There's nothing there.

00:39:01.000 There's nothing there.

00:39:03.000 I mean, Trump is real, like you say.

00:39:07.000 He can.

00:39:08.000 He can.

00:39:08.000 That montage of clips that there were a few weeks ago of him being at the drive-thru at McDonald's and stuff, he absolutely can do that in a way that is authentic.

00:39:18.000 You know, you should remind me of a conversation.

00:39:22.000 He's definitely a manifestation of something real.

00:39:26.000 Dead skin. 0.91

00:39:28.000 So you two remind me of a conversation I had in 2017, just after the 2016 election.

00:39:35.000 And it was one of these Chatham House rules.

00:39:38.000 And I can't say exactly who was there, but it was mostly billionaires and very powerful people, including Joe Biden, actually, one of them.

00:39:47.000 And he and Jeb Bush were taking turns bashing Trump. 0.96

00:39:51.000 All the reasons Trump was just worthless.

00:39:54.000 And that prompted a conversation of, well, why exactly did Trump win?

00:39:59.000 And so the host said, go around the table.

00:40:02.000 And some of them presided over, you know, I mean, when I say bid, they're the biggest hedge funds in the world.

00:40:12.000 And others.

00:40:13.000 All very, very significant people. 0.97

00:40:15.000 And the last person, including, by the way, Valerie Jarrett, that poisonous witch. 0.98

00:40:20.000 So when it got round to the very, very end, and it got to a guy called Steve Harvey, who was an African-American guy, former NFL football player, but a very, very well-known public figure. 0.94

00:40:33.000 And Steve Harvey, I'll never forget, he just shook his head and he said, man, you're all white people.

00:40:39.000 You still don't get it.

00:40:40.000 We like Trump because he's one of us.

00:40:45.000 That's it.

00:40:48.000 It seems pretty astonishing that you can pull that off in this, you know, not pull that off, but that is the, I think, essential.

00:40:54.000 I think it's essential that you can't kind of, in the end, you can't.

00:40:58.000 He's one of us!

00:40:59.000 Yeah, like Princess Diana maybe had a sort of a comparable quality.

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00:42:24.000 On our show, Break Bread, that you get if you're a subscriber to Rumble Premium, this week I spoke to the Christian rapper Lecrae.

00:42:30.000 It was a good conversation in loads of ways, and I'd love you to watch all of it.

00:42:34.000 But when we spoke about DEI, I was fascinated to learn that, in a way, we have to find...

00:42:42.000 We have to find ways of creating fair and just societies that are not to the detriment of our institutions and bring about conviviality and connection rather than conflict and division.

00:42:52.000 Here's a moment from that conversation, Lara and Neil, before we discuss the various DEI initiatives.

00:42:57.000 In particular, Neil, I'd love your perspective on the revelation that DEI experts have been employed by the British Army and are earning more than the average British squaddy.

00:43:08.000 But we'll talk about DEI in positions of competence in...

00:43:12.000 If you're saying, hey, we don't have enough African-Americans at Harvard, right?

00:43:25.000 There's not enough of them at Harvard.

00:43:27.000 Okay, based off of what?

00:43:29.000 What are the metrics?

00:43:31.000 Where are we basing this off of?

00:43:34.000 If the reality is that there's not enough because the scores are not high, High enough in the African-American community to get into Harvard, then we can't just say, well, that's it.

00:43:49.000 The scores aren't high enough and we're done.

00:43:51.000 Well, why aren't the scores high enough?

00:43:54.000 Why are they not high?

00:43:56.000 Well, because these schools that they're learning from are not up to par.

00:44:02.000 Okay, that's it.

00:44:03.000 We're done.

00:44:04.000 The schools aren't good enough.

00:44:05.000 No.

00:44:06.000 Why aren't these schools?

00:44:08.000 Is this not America?

00:44:09.000 Right?

00:44:10.000 Is this not the, like, don't we all have access?

00:44:14.000 So why aren't these schools as good?

00:44:16.000 So let's dive in there. 0.89

00:44:18.000 I'm regretting nodding my head like that now because it'd be very easy to make it look like I was masturbating, which I can assure you both that I wasn't.

00:44:25.000 Now, when it comes to standard competence...

00:44:28.000 That's a relief.

00:44:29.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:44:30.000 i don't know which one of you was talking most in our in the last part of this conversation but whichever one of you went on the least and it's sometimes hard to determine who talks most among

00:44:48.000 I wonder what you think about, you know, I was saying, when it comes to airline pilots, yeah, why would you not want there to be a kind of nice spread of sex and ethnicity across pilots?

00:45:03.000 You ultimately want to address that problem as far away from the...

00:45:07.000 Point where someone's been given a job as possible, i.e.

00:45:10.000 if you want a fair and just society, you want to address that through education, you've got to address that through economics, community building, and all of these projects seem pretty impossible unless you've got a belief in some kind of ulterior power, whether you call it God or common sense is up to you.

00:45:27.000 But without some sort of set of principles, it's difficult to think how you would create a just and fair society.

00:45:34.000 Lara, what do you make of DEI, and in particular, Lecrae's point about when it comes to institutions of excellence that you would want to address why there might be disproportionate representation of one group or another?

00:45:51.000 Well, it's interesting that he chose the example of Harvard, right?

00:45:55.000 Because if you look at Harvard...

00:45:56.000 Population-wise, there's a disproportionate number of Asians.

00:46:00.000 And so people are now saying, oh, well, you can't have too many Asians at Howard.

00:46:04.000 We've got to keep it diverse according to some kind of fictional scale that we don't really know what that is.

00:46:15.000 Because you can take, if you have a town in America that's 98% Hispanic, that's considered diverse.

00:46:22.000 If that same town is 98% white, Then it's considered an aberration, and it has to be obliterated, and it has to be reordered. 0.97

00:46:31.000 And so what exactly defines diversity? 0.72

00:46:34.000 Apparently, it's everything that isn't majority white.

00:46:37.000 And I bring this conversation back to the population of the United States of America, which still, in spite of the best efforts of those who apparently seem to despise white people, This country is still roughly 70% white.

00:46:57.000 And when I ask people, what percentage of the American population do you think is African American or black American?

00:47:04.000 What do you think most people say?

00:47:06.000 Well, people say 30%, 40%, 50%.

00:47:09.000 Well, it's actually more like around 11%.

00:47:13.000 So when you start, I mean, if you were to watch television in the United States today, you could be forgiven for thinking that 80% of American society is black. 0.99

00:47:21.000 Because there's been this...

00:47:23.000 DEI-driven, you know, self-flagellation of white people, correction in the society that doesn't reflect the society at all. 0.69

00:47:31.000 Now, I don't even like talking in these kind of numbers.

00:47:33.000 I've got to tell you, it makes my skin crawl because I grew up in South Africa under apartheid, which was an institutionalized system of racism and injustice.

00:47:43.000 And every part of my body...

00:47:46.000 Rebels against that.

00:47:47.000 I don't believe in that, and I never will.

00:47:50.000 So I hate that things get broken down in this way.

00:47:54.000 But, you know, all these issues, he's not wrong.

00:47:57.000 Lecrae is not wrong when he says it's not good enough to say, well, the scores aren't high enough.

00:48:02.000 It is true.

00:48:03.000 We should say, why aren't the scores high enough?

00:48:05.000 And, okay, why aren't?

00:48:07.000 I live in rural America, okay?

00:48:09.000 My children go to Fredericksburg High School.

00:48:13.000 They're not walking into Harvard.

00:48:15.000 From Fredericksburg High School.

00:48:17.000 How many people do you think make it from rural America, from a high school like we have here, into Yale, Harvard, and so on and so on?

00:48:26.000 They don't.

00:48:26.000 So, you know, I get a little bit...

00:48:28.000 I mean, for me, I get a little bit annoyed because this idea that it's only... 0.95

00:48:34.000 You know, inner-city schools populated by black kids where you don't stand a chance. 1.00

00:48:39.000 No, that's not true.

00:48:41.000 And I know there's a history behind that, a history of slavery and all the rest that needs to be factored into the conversation.

00:48:47.000 But, you know, there's a lot of...

00:48:48.000 Our school is majority Hispanic American and white American.

00:48:52.000 And most of those kids don't stand a chance in any kind of...

00:48:57.000 Upper echelon of American society.

00:49:00.000 Now that doesn't mean they can't work hard, figure things out, and make a decent living for themselves, especially if they have a bit of luck along the way.

00:49:07.000 I'm not, you know, I'm not whining here.

00:49:11.000 But there is an issue in American schools across the country.

00:49:17.000 There is an issue in inner-city schools that absolutely has to address.

00:49:21.000 Americans have been in an education crisis for a very long time, and no one's been willing to tackle this right now.

00:49:27.000 That's what is so revolutionary about this moment that we're in as a nation and as a society. 0.97

00:49:34.000 Because right now you have a president in the Oval Office who, contrary to the Hollywood Information warfare depiction of presidents that crept in over the last few decades, that the president is somehow just this figurehead and an idiot and isn't really running the country, right? 0.99

00:49:51.000 That was a PSYOP. That was, that was... 0.99

00:49:54.000 We're shaping the information battlefield to prepare us for the days of Joe Biden, where it doesn't even matter if a person's in this dementia because the country's being run by other people that you don't apparently see, and you don't get to hold them accountable.

00:50:08.000 Well, that whole psyop has been trashed, right?

00:50:10.000 It's gone up in flames.

00:50:12.000 Donald Trump took gasoline and he set the whole thing on fire, and they've never forgiven him for it. 0.99

00:50:18.000 You know, because of all, I mean, I'm sure you can point to his faults, but one of them is not, stupidity is not one of them, right? 0.95

00:50:24.000 And so what Donald Trump is willing to do is he's willing to get rid of the Department of Education, which, by the way, for all those people who say, oh, good Lord, you can't get rid of that. 0.95

00:50:32.000 What about all those people before the 1960s?

00:50:35.000 You know, when there was no Department of Education, they seemed to do just fine.

00:50:39.000 So, I mean, I agree with the Craig that it isn't good enough to say, you just stop here.

00:50:45.000 You do need to get back to the heart of it.

00:50:47.000 I would say, unequivocally, nobody wants a pilot who's in the sky because they're female or because they're black or because they're Hispanic or whatever. 1.00

00:50:56.000 No, you want people based on merit.

00:50:58.000 And that's never, ever, ever going to change.

00:51:02.000 And as far as DEI goes, all this DEI consultancy nonsense...

00:51:08.000 I would help them pour gasoline on it. 0.94

00:51:11.000 I would happily see it all burned to the ground. 0.99

00:51:13.000 Because there's not a single black community in this country since DEI began that can stand up and say their lives are better because of it. 0.99

00:51:22.000 BLM raised, I mean, I think from Nike Jordan, $100 million.

00:51:26.000 From Bank of America, $100 million.

00:51:28.000 I mean, the list goes on and on and on.

00:51:30.000 Billions and billions and billions of dollars.

00:51:32.000 And not one town.

00:51:34.000 Not one city, not one county in the United States of America gets to stand up and say our lives are better because of what BLM did for this black community here. 0.89

00:51:46.000 No, it's a big con.

00:51:48.000 And the sooner we get rid of it, the better.

00:51:51.000 and yet neil in the united kingdom we're seeing dei initiatives given precedence over paying troops tell me where do you stand on it particularly as someone who i imagine in your wild and picaresque journey through professions has picked up all sorts of old school liberal views i think um you know lara's right i was

00:52:17.000 You know, Lara, you really came to a point there in your last few...

00:52:25.000 You know, paragraphs of what you said.

00:52:27.000 I think it's evident that even before the nonsense of the Black Lives Matter hoax, I mean, I think it's demonstrable that the civil rights movement en masse, en balance, was bad news for Black American people. 0.82

00:52:49.000 It absolutely didn't make things better.

00:52:53.000 You know, you ended up in the US in a situation where people had been wholesale invited to embrace the whole idea of victimhood and all of the rest of it.

00:53:11.000 I buy into the idea that the civil rights movement was bad. 1.00

00:53:16.000 It was bad news for the very group of people that it was supposed to benefit.

00:53:23.000 I think that's true.

00:53:25.000 I think, you know, DEI is just bollocks, to use a traditional Scottish word.

00:53:36.000 I come back to the idea that everyone knows if you're in the sky, if you're in the sky, my God, let me be, my aircraft be being piloted by the very best human being available for that post.

00:53:50.000 And likewise, let the people in air traffic control on the ground that are speaking to my pilot be absolutely the very best selected human beings there could possibly be.

00:54:01.000 And in that context, I don't care.

00:54:04.000 I don't care whether they're white, black, brown, Jewish, Islam, Christian, whatever.

00:54:12.000 I just want all of that to be being taken care of.

00:54:16.000 By the people it has been demonstrated are the very best people technically to get that job done, to get me from A to B. That's all of it.

00:54:25.000 I've got...

00:54:26.000 I mean, I really struggle, I really struggle to buy into and debate DEI because it's absolute nonsense. 0.56

00:54:36.000 Absolute nonsense.

00:54:37.000 I want nothing whatever to do with it.

00:54:40.000 And I think we've been just, you know, DEI is just a...

00:54:44.000 It's just one of many ways in which we have been led away from what it is to do the right thing.

00:54:52.000 We all know this.

00:54:55.000 Equity rather than equality is axiomatically wrong.

00:55:02.000 You don't want to end up in a situation where everyone is the same.

00:55:09.000 That's completely wrong.

00:55:11.000 You want people to demonstrate by their dedication, by their ability, that they are the best people for the relevant tasks.

00:55:23.000 All of this, I hope to goodness that Donald Trump's administration in the US, if he is genuinely anti-woke.

00:55:36.000 DEI being a pillar of the woke nonsense.

00:55:41.000 If he genuinely can sweep that away, and it is superficial, by its very nature, it's nonsense.

00:55:50.000 It has no roots, it has no foundation in anything that any of us would take seriously, if we were being honest. 0.89

00:55:58.000 It's absolute bollocks.

00:56:00.000 And the sooner we can sign DEI and all of that nonsense, To the dustbin of history, the better.

00:56:08.000 It's right to discriminate. 0.99

00:56:11.000 We all discriminate all the time.

00:56:14.000 You discriminate with your partner.

00:56:17.000 You've decided that one person out of eight billion is the only one for you.

00:56:22.000 That's discriminatory and it's right. 1.00

00:56:25.000 And we all do.

00:56:26.000 And society discriminates because you go, right, well, in this context...

00:56:32.000 This very narrow strata of people are appropriate for the job. 0.92

00:56:37.000 That's discriminatory and everybody else is like, don't be ridiculous, go and do something else because your skill set does not enable you to do this. 0.63

00:56:46.000 I believe in discrimination.

00:56:48.000 I think it's absolutely right to be as discriminatory as possible on an individual basis and at the societal level.

00:56:59.000 It's right to do that.

00:57:00.000 To find the right people for the right things.

00:57:04.000 Maybe in this instance DEI was another of the kind of tools of bewilderment and disorientation because one of the things I felt when having that conversation on Break Bread that was a Christian spirit. 1.00

00:57:15.000 Of inquiry, asking why, why, why, again and again when confronted with injustice, whether it's a demographic injustice or over-representation in a prison population, or looking at the history of nations and which particular people have been exploited, asking why is very, very important.

00:57:32.000 It's also important, I suppose, to derive the principles around which we organise our society, around some absolute set of ethics, and certainly when we were looking at that era of bewilderment that flowed forth from globalism.

00:57:44.000 With its giddy Olympic ceremonies and its extraordinary edicts and social initiatives, it seems sometimes like what they were trying to create and engender was confusion and bewilderment and doubt around all categories and around all moral certainty.

00:57:59.000 And certainly, to me at least, it seems they achieved that.

00:58:02.000 You two, thank you so much for joining me for another episode of Stay Free Oracles.

00:58:07.000 Remember to follow Neil and Lara on all of their social media platforms.

00:58:12.000 I know that Lara has a brilliant new podcast.

00:58:13.000 We'll post a link to that in the description right now.

00:58:17.000 Thank you for joining us this week.

00:58:19.000 Wherever you're watching, just remember we're available on Rumble Premium.

00:58:22.000 If you use our code, you get it for a lot cheaper and you get access to a lot more content from me and other Rumble content creators as well as an ad-free experience.

00:58:30.000 Lara, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:58:32.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:58:33.000 And Neil, would you be so kind as to do this again next week and regardless again with another themed outfit, perhaps a pith helmet, a butterfly net?

00:58:42.000 Who knows what you could pull out of the wardrobe?

00:58:45.000 Good Lord, yes, Russell, I could absolutely...

00:58:49.000 Can it be fancy dress?

00:58:51.000 Absolutely.

00:58:52.000 Perhaps that's what we should do.

00:58:53.000 I'm going to button up my shirt a little higher on the basis of some of the abuse I endured at the top of this show.

00:58:58.000 Thank you both for joining us this week.

00:59:00.000 Thank you all.

00:59:01.000 We'll be back on Monday with a brilliant conversation with Asim Malhotra and coverage of the extraordinary new claim that there could be another pandemic emerging from, you guessed it, Wuhan.

00:59:12.000 Here's a little bit of my conversation with Lecrae.

00:59:14.000 There's always a tension when you're talking about ethnicity in America.

00:59:21.000 There's always this tension, but it's not even a tension that is birthed in America.

00:59:30.000 Even if you go into the scriptures, there's ethnic tension between the Samaritans, between the Jews and the Gentiles.

00:59:36.000 And so that ethnic tension and the necessity or the desire to exalt one's ethnicity over the other is an age-old issue.

00:59:51.000 I think that, you know, God is not opposed to ethnicities.

00:59:56.000 Otherwise, he would not have said, oh, the Jews are going to be my chosen people in this era of time.

01:00:01.000 And then, you know, grafting in Gentiles and just it didn't have to be that way. 0.88

01:00:06.000 He could have just made us like this, you know, homogenous group of people with no ethnicities.

01:00:12.000 But he did it.

01:00:13.000 So I think it's something that we should honor and respect.

01:00:16.000 I don't think it gives us credence to see one as greater than the other.

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01:00:24.000 See you next week, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:00:26.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - February 27, 2025

The Battle for Power: Trump’s Plan, Elon’s Purge & the DEI Illusion – SF545

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