Lara Logan and Neil Oliver discuss standards in the workplace, Elon Musk's new Tesla Model Y, and why we should all be held to the same standards as the rest of the people in the world. Plus, Russell explains why he doesn t care about politics.
00:02:32.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:35.000It's a spectacular Thursday show because it's Stay Free Oracles with Lara Logan and living Turin Shroud himself, Mr Neil Oliver of Stirling.
00:03:01.000We are all the manifestation of Christ Jesus from a Christian perspective, but it never becomes more obvious that God is real than when you look at...
00:03:20.000I was about to do a really brilliant link and compliment there, but Neil, we can't trump scripture.
00:03:26.000Lara, thank you very much for joining us.
00:03:33.000We're going to start off today by talking about standards in the workplace, which seems like an appropriate way to begin when you've worked with Neil Oliver.
00:03:41.000What are the standards that we should all be held accountable to?
00:03:44.000Certainly, Elon Musk's emails to government employees has ruffled some feathers, but according to CNN, it's also hitting the right note with the election.
00:03:55.000I got this email Saturday afternoon about 3pm.
00:03:59.000And I felt absolutely infuriated getting this email with a demand within 48 hours to provide a response on what I did within the last week or face termination.
00:04:13.000This is clearly an attempt from Elon Musk to harass and bully and intimidate the federal workforce.
00:04:21.000Well, look, Lara, we're all held to standards, aren't we?
00:04:24.000In the workplace, dress codes, codes of conduct.
00:04:28.000Why are government employees so outraged to receive this email?
00:04:33.000And is it a bigger fear that the departments of government will be swept clean of civil servants only to be replaced by AI? What do you think, Lara?
00:04:43.000Well, I'm glad you raised dress codes because, you know, in the workplace you're supposed to wear clothes, not half a shirt.
00:05:01.000This is really the funniest thing ever.
00:05:03.000There's nothing more nauseating to me than having to watch some government employee whine because they're outraged that they were asked to account for their productivity.
00:05:16.000I grew up in a world where you were only as good as your last story, not even the story that you were working on.
00:05:22.000And if I would go to my boss at 60 Minutes and tell him about a problem that I was having with some story, something I was dealing with, he would just look at me and say, well, if it was easy, everyone would do it.
00:05:45.000Behold my field of, you know what, because I have none to give.
00:05:50.000I couldn't care less about people whining about having to show that they have been productive.
00:05:56.000But I'm not sure that this is a truly serious thing.
00:06:00.000I mean, what Trump and Elon Musk have said about the email is that they believe there are ghost employees and that it was sent out as a test because everyone who doesn't respond...
00:06:12.000They're going to take a look there and make sure that there's an actual person that is working on the end of that email address.
00:06:24.000I'm big on being respectful of the fact that we're not right inside there.
00:06:29.000We don't know exactly what they're up to.
00:06:30.000I do think that's a legitimate reason for them to say that they sent that out because when you consider that all the people that are supposedly over 150, 160, 180, 200 years, Old, who have been getting Social Security payments.
00:07:12.000Well, I thought it was sort of that you were doing something to tempt a recalcitrant mouse.
00:07:18.000Neil Oliver, I wonder if you feel that this type of reckoning is precisely what is required, or will it augur a new AI era where machines, rather than human beings, run the vast enterprise of America?
00:07:38.000I think it plays into a lot of the stories that we seem to be being told at the moment.
00:07:47.000You know, the idea that's been pushed about useless eaters.
00:07:54.000You know, we've been invited to accept that much of the population is of no value.
00:08:08.000And I do wonder, you know, at the extent to which what's being proposed here is part of that.
00:08:16.000I mean, I live in Scotland, and it's acknowledged that here, I don't know, a third of the working population, if not more, is employed by the government or council, you know, public employees at some level.
00:08:38.000Which invites a person to think that there's just a sponge out there that's absorbing people and providing them with a livelihood.
00:08:54.000But in return, it's questionable how much value the people so absorbed are actually returning.
00:09:05.000They're just being taken care of in a way.
00:09:09.000It's like a kind of a care in the community situation that's going on.
00:09:14.000But I think on the face of it, and in a determination to find out who's out there, what they're actually doing, how often they're doing it, if indeed they actually exist, I think is...
00:09:32.000You know, that's an appropriate thing to do.
00:09:35.000That's a long overdue audit of what's being done with taxpayers' money.
00:09:48.000And, I mean, I keep on saying all the time, you know, whatever the government gives, whatever any government gives, is something that it has taken from someone else.
00:10:01.000Your governments don't have any money.
00:10:04.000They just invite themselves to help themselves to the products of other people's effort and then make a show of doing something with that.
00:10:18.000They take from someone else and give to whomever they think that donation will make them look good.
00:10:27.000I mean, on the face of it, I think what's happening is right.
00:10:31.000Find out who's out there, what are they being given, what are they doing in return for it, and then once we know what that picture is, we could collectively and usefully make a decision about what to do next.
00:10:44.000Well, and I do just have to say this one thing, Russell.
00:10:47.000The very people that are on television crying about having to be accountable for what they are doing.
00:10:53.000I mean, when you look at Washington, D.C., it's supposedly 80% registered Democrats.
00:10:59.000These are people who despise millions of taxpayers across the country.
00:11:18.000But, you know, they're awful until it takes time to take their hard work, their blood, sweat, and tears, their tax money that they're paying.
00:11:28.000There's a poetry to this that is quite extraordinary.
00:11:33.000It has never happened in our lifetimes.
00:11:35.000Where the people who actually, you know, keep this country going in many respects, the people that are working, you know, multiple jobs out there very often, where they're being heard.
00:11:58.000So it's poetic justice in many respects.
00:12:01.000And I do have to say, I'm not a big fan.
00:12:06.000I don't like Neuralink and all the rest of it.
00:12:09.000But I do see here an information narrative that's being played that says, oh, Musk is doing this because he wants to get rid of human beings.
00:12:16.000So Musk is the one who said, if you've got a government job, you shouldn't be doing it.
00:12:21.000At home, you've got to show up to work.
00:12:23.000Trump said you've got to show up to work.
00:12:25.000That was one of the first executive orders.
00:12:27.000And none of these people seem to want to show up to work or be held accountable.
00:12:31.000I don't know what planet they're living on, but I know that I speak for millions in this country when I say this day is long overdue and they are 100% behind this effort.
00:12:49.000I don't understand why you would be averse to turning up for work.
00:13:10.000I was a field-working archaeologist, digging things, digging up things.
00:13:14.000And then I'd retrained as a journalist.
00:13:15.000And then I worked in PR and then I worked in internet things at the very beginning of the internet.
00:13:23.000And at all times it was about being with other people.
00:13:27.000That was how I let that first and foremost, being as a beginner, being in amongst other archaeologists, other journalists or whatever was how I learned how to do that.
00:13:40.000It was a, you know, it was a collective collegiate thing.
00:13:47.000For me, it seemed to crystallise during the whole COVID lockdown period where people were told to go home and be in their pyjamas and maybe just connect with school or with their employer via a screen.
00:14:30.000Most of us need the spur to get out there and be in amongst the body politic and do the thing.
00:14:41.000And now that there's this building aversion to being summoned back into the office or into the shop or into the collective, and this suggestion that you ought to be entitled to just do what it is that you're being paid for where no one can see you, it's right to jolt people out of that.
00:15:02.000There's no future for civilisation and community.
00:15:07.000If everyone's just back in their Paddington Bear pyjamas under the duvet, connecting with the rest of the world via, you know, via email.
00:15:57.000You look lovely and it's glad that you're making a real effort amongst us, your colleagues, though of course we are all working remotely, literally right now.
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00:17:46.000We've discussed, I believe, in astonishing depth, the machinations and movements of Doge and how it has kind of diagnosed through its reckoning, in the words of Lara Logan, a kind of ennui in people's hearts, a kind of purposelessness, nihilism, and in the cases of many of the 80% a kind of purposelessness, nihilism, and in the cases of many of the 80% of Washington residents who are Democrat, a kind of antipathy towards the people that they are ultimately Now we're going to take a look at the subject of immigration.
00:18:16.000Donald Trump has pledged to launch a new gold card scheme where people can essentially acquire American residency or at least access to America to some degree through $5 million.
00:18:29.000Immigration is a hot topic in Neil's country of Scotland, where one in three people are a postman working directly for the government, and it's a hot topic around the world.
00:18:39.000Let's have a look at Trump's new immigration initiative and see how this changes the dynamics of a hotly contested subject.
00:18:47.000We're going to be doing something else that's going to be very good.
00:18:51.000We're going to be selling a gold card.
00:18:58.000We're going to be putting a price on that card of about $5 million, and that's going to give you green card privileges plus.
00:19:05.000It's going to be a route to citizenship, and wealthy people will be coming into our country by buying this card.
00:19:12.000They'll be wealthy, and they'll be successful, and they'll be spending a lot of money and paying a lot of taxes and employing a lot of people.
00:19:22.000It's been said for a long time in the UK that Russian oligarchs were able to access British citizenry via their acquisition of real estate or through favours and connections to people in the administration or government cronyism, in other words.
00:19:38.000Is this like Trump at his ingenious best or is this kind of deplorable corruption that people have long been terrified would be brought about by his second term?
00:19:49.000Well, you know, it is true, Russell, that people have been able to buy their way into countries for a long time.
00:19:55.000Like if you invest, in a sense, there's already a gold card.
00:20:00.000Because if you invest a certain amount and you create a certain amount of business and you employ a certain number of people, you already have access.
00:20:08.000So, I mean, you know, people will jump up and down.
00:20:12.000No matter what Trump says or does on immigration, the Trump haters are going to jump up and down.
00:20:17.000And for most Americans, I mean, just for the ordinary person out there, they're going to say, well, if America's going to get $5 million and they're going to get rid of the IRS and I don't have to pay taxes anymore, they're not going to mind.
00:20:32.000I mean, people recognize that the government has to bring in revenue somehow.
00:20:55.000Does it perpetuate a system where the wealthy have access to things that other people don't?
00:21:00.000Yes, but he's not saying he's going to replace the normal immigration system with this.
00:21:05.000So it's not like he's shutting off all access for all other people to apply illegally to immigrate to this country.
00:21:11.000So, I mean, I think that's an empty argument to a degree because the wealthy already have special access to immigration.
00:21:20.000I will say, however, though, that this immigration issue is a very big one, obviously.
00:21:28.000It's one that touches people all over this country.
00:21:33.000This administration is really going to have a difficult time dealing with what has happened because when you've brought in 10,000 people a day, every single day for four years, when you've got 15 million you acknowledge and you've got 18 to 20 million who is the more likely figure have come into this country illegally, you have a shadow culture.
00:21:56.000That has been imported into this country of people, many of whom, in fact most of them don't speak English, have no real, you know, they don't identify with the United States in any way.
00:22:08.000They don't really know the culture or the, you know, understand where this country came from.
00:22:14.000And so they're not motivated to fight for it in the same way that you would be if perhaps you were born here or if you went through the legal.
00:22:23.000Immigration process over a long period of time and so how you extricate that from American society is something people all over the world are watching very closely because it's happened in Europe, it's happened elsewhere and this is going to be very tough.
00:22:40.000You've already got people saying that the Trump administration is targeting unaccompanied minors which are unaccompanied children and it's not true.
00:22:51.000It's all they've done is trying to put in rules to say, we want to figure out where these kids have gone.
00:22:57.000We want to figure out if they're with family members.
00:22:58.000We want to make sure they're protected.
00:23:00.000I mean, the most basic protections that are afforded American children is what they want to apply to unaccompanied migrant children.
00:23:07.000And the propaganda machine is in overdrive already.
00:23:11.000So this issue of immigration, I don't like...
00:23:16.000To project into the future because I'm not a prophet and so I'm always wary of that.
00:23:20.000But I have very serious concerns right now about how this issue is going to play out.
00:23:25.000Do you have similar concerns as a British person and do you feel that this is a...
00:23:32.000Kind of overt and vulgar scheme by Trump, or do you think that Trump is doing what he often does, making explicit what is typically tacit in politics, that wealthy people can bypass rules?
00:23:44.000And also, Neil, could you follow up on what Lara said about a kind of shadow class of occupants of a nation that are antithetical to that nation's consensual purpose and identity?
00:24:00.000In large part as an outsider, I suppose, to the United States.
00:24:05.000And, you know, I'm not as familiar with Donald Trump as maybe American, well, presumably Americans are.
00:24:14.000But it does sound like something that could be interpreted as a crass thing to say.
00:24:23.000You know, I noticed his conflation of $5 million with people who are successful.
00:24:31.000There's all sorts of ways by which someone could be in possession of $5 million worth of bargaining chips to get into the United States.
00:24:47.000The child of someone of wealth, someone that has exploited criminality to have $5 million plus wealth.
00:25:00.000Straightforwardly equate five million dollars with success, which implies, you know, somebody worth having.
00:25:10.000You know, I would say could be interpreted as a crass statement.
00:25:15.000And I would always lean towards idealistically or even unrealistically or not, towards a system that was attracting people of merit.
00:25:30.000You know, I mean, the whole story of the founding of the United States of America, you know, that basal layer is made of people who came with nothing from all parts and all sorts of people and who came and who all they needed was the opportunity and then they could make something of that.
00:25:52.000I think for the President of the United States of America to make a statement that could be That could be, I'm not saying it is, but it could be interpreted as being so crass, I think is unfortunate.
00:26:06.000I'd rather see, I'm not talking about, I'm not even an unequivocal advocate of meritocracy, because I know what the problems are with meritocracy in as much as they, by definition, it means that you're drawing away from people who, societies who need them the very best, and those people are drawn by osmosis.
00:26:28.000You know, somewhere else, which leaves the community and the society and the civilization that gave birth to them, the less for their absence.
00:26:37.000But I think the suggestion that, yeah, if you've got five million bucks, however you've got it, you can get in and you can get some kind of platinum card level of US citizenship, I think is...
00:26:52.000I don't know why someone who's the leader of the free world would...
00:26:57.000Indulge himself in saying something like that.
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00:28:15.000I've come to regard Donald Trump with a kind of awe.
00:28:19.000One of the pivotal moments in my own kind of transformation in my perspective on Trump came when Chappelle memorably said...
00:28:29.000As part of his SNL monologue when Trump was elected the first time, he started to say publicly what we've all believed for a long time, that I know how this works because I've been exploiting the corrupt and hidden levers of power in the way that all of Hillary's donors do.
00:28:47.000That being one of the standout points.
00:28:49.000Now, when he does something like posts...
00:28:52.000Gaza as a holiday destination or says that you can openly acquire citizenship.
00:28:58.000I start to get the idea that perhaps we're dealing with someone who's better equipped than I am to understand politics.
00:29:06.000Not that that's a particularly high threshold, but that someone that makes outlandish, bold, and as you say, sometimes crass remarks that are nevertheless somehow hacked in the bureaucratic and administrative space that preceded him.
00:29:21.000That themselves were so sort of insidious and cowardly, so duplicitous and dishonest, that I see Trump really as a...
00:29:32.000Wrecking Ball summons from the collective imagination.
00:29:34.000I know that sounds pretty grand, but when Marianne Williams said in the Democratic primaries last time round when they were selecting that if you think this kind of wonkish energy is going to be able to oppose dark psychic forces as summons by Trump, then you've got another thing coming.
00:29:50.000And whilst I still don't think of Trump as a dark figure, I think of him as the sort of living embodiment of America's self-image in the way that I would have seen movie stars once if you track.
00:30:01.000The kind of movie stars that were flung up in the 80s, action heroes, the kind of comic heroes that were full of sort of doubt and self-recrimination in the 90s.
00:30:09.000And the American culture has to talk to itself.
00:30:12.000What I feel happened, you know, primarily after sort of the Blair, Obama, Clinton type era of showbiz leaders is that...
00:30:20.000We kind of created a space for someone that understood those dynamics better than they did.
00:30:25.000And because they weren't able to offer integrity or statescraft in a way that would exclude the mere showman, we were going to get a figure like this.
00:30:36.000And I kind of feel that he might midwife into being the kind of ethical decentralization that was perhaps intended by the American founding fathers.
00:30:47.000that somehow this kind of new trickster mentality of Musk, if you look at his email exchange on the topic we were discussing before on Doge, where someone sends a thing like I spent all last week sucking a 12-inch dick and all this stuff, and Musk, far from being squeamish about it, just goes, I said five things, not far from being squeamish about it, just goes, I said five things, It's just sort of inconceivable that political discourse is taking place on this level, posting pictures of AI selling immigration cards.
00:31:24.000It's sort of what they did was so veiled and darkly bureaucratic and tethered to power that ain't even national but global, corporate, commercial, and I think actually darker.
00:31:37.000In the same way that for many years people on the left would say, I know the Labour Party aren't good enough, I know the Democrat Party aren't good enough, but they're the least worst option.
00:32:48.000What I think is, this is phenomenal and extraordinary.
00:32:51.000When we were at Mar-a-Lago last week, Lara Logan, like, you know, I was about...
00:32:56.000Like, I missed the bit where Trump, like, was doing a speech and called, like, everyone there up on stage because I was, hey, I don't know, maybe I take religion more seriously than most people.
00:33:04.000I was actually doing the rosary and connecting with the Lord.
00:33:42.000And when I, this is a curious and perhaps even grand analogy, but I once, when looking at Jupiter through a telescope, was struck not by its grandeur, but by its fragility.
00:33:54.000And though there's no doubt that Trump has this ape-like potency, I won't be able to go through what he's gone through.
00:34:00.000The convictions, the trials, the attacks, the shootings.
00:34:04.000This is obviously someone who's impressive and powerful.
00:34:08.000Yeah, like, in a way that I mean is sort of truly awesome, but I don't, I can't understand it, but I do know how the current political, that what preceded him has led to him.
00:34:21.000I know that's sort of so obvious as to be redundant, but it kind of makes, it makes sense to me in that way, in a way that Lara Logan's ever-shifting dog backdrop doesn't.
00:34:31.000Every time I look, it's a different dog there.
00:34:34.000Neil, you were going to, Neil, are you going to say something, mate?
00:34:37.000Just, you reminded me in your last comment there about, I wrote something years ago now, in another life almost, I think it was 2016 or something, where it seemed to me at the time that Donald Trump was a kind of a Godzilla,
00:34:56.000in as much as he was inevitable, in as much as, because the world had been made toxic in every way, You know, physically, metaphysically, that Godzilla was the world's response to it, you know, to put mankind back in its place.
00:35:19.000And I think there's something of that, the inevitability of someone like Donald Trump.
00:35:26.000We were always going to get in that polybius anicyclosis The process we were going to get Donald Trump, you know, the demagogic figure that met or seems to meet the needs of so many people.
00:35:50.000And I just think that that is, in and of itself, interesting.
00:35:55.000I think the fact that, to refer back to what we were just talking about, the $5 million platinum, the gold card thing, It's like a process by which it's being laid bare.
00:36:14.000And he's almost just the conduit for it.
00:36:18.000That this is where you end up when you get to the ultra-materialist, consumerist end.
00:37:27.000But, like, what I think additionally is when you looked at figures like Biden and him, like, kind of pretending to be all folksy, you know, in a baseball cap, talking about black people and stuff, I felt like this guy...
00:37:42.000I felt intuitively that he didn't love people.
00:37:48.000But that Democrat movement, I know it's built on a kind of a metropolitan elitism, and it's the party, as is the Labour Party now, of a kind of a professional class that's very publicly disavowed and disowned working people, hates them, sees them as deplorables or Brexit racists, depending on which country you're making the assessment from of the two that we're discussing.
00:38:06.000And with Donald Trump, I don't think Donald Trump...
00:38:11.000I think that one of the components of this is that he does love truckers and can hang out in a Chick-fil-A and have normal banter with the people behind the counter in a way that Keir Starmer...
00:39:08.000That montage of clips that there were a few weeks ago of him being at the drive-thru at McDonald's and stuff, he absolutely can do that in a way that is authentic.
00:39:18.000You know, you should remind me of a conversation.
00:39:22.000He's definitely a manifestation of something real.
00:39:28.000So you two remind me of a conversation I had in 2017, just after the 2016 election.
00:39:35.000And it was one of these Chatham House rules.
00:39:38.000And I can't say exactly who was there, but it was mostly billionaires and very powerful people, including Joe Biden, actually, one of them.
00:39:47.000And he and Jeb Bush were taking turns bashing Trump.
00:39:51.000All the reasons Trump was just worthless.
00:39:54.000And that prompted a conversation of, well, why exactly did Trump win?
00:39:59.000And so the host said, go around the table.
00:40:02.000And some of them presided over, you know, I mean, when I say bid, they're the biggest hedge funds in the world.
00:40:15.000And the last person, including, by the way, Valerie Jarrett, that poisonous witch.
00:40:20.000So when it got round to the very, very end, and it got to a guy called Steve Harvey, who was an African-American guy, former NFL football player, but a very, very well-known public figure.
00:40:33.000And Steve Harvey, I'll never forget, he just shook his head and he said, man, you're all white people.
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00:42:24.000On our show, Break Bread, that you get if you're a subscriber to Rumble Premium, this week I spoke to the Christian rapper Lecrae.
00:42:30.000It was a good conversation in loads of ways, and I'd love you to watch all of it.
00:42:34.000But when we spoke about DEI, I was fascinated to learn that, in a way, we have to find...
00:42:42.000We have to find ways of creating fair and just societies that are not to the detriment of our institutions and bring about conviviality and connection rather than conflict and division.
00:42:52.000Here's a moment from that conversation, Lara and Neil, before we discuss the various DEI initiatives.
00:42:57.000In particular, Neil, I'd love your perspective on the revelation that DEI experts have been employed by the British Army and are earning more than the average British squaddy.
00:43:08.000But we'll talk about DEI in positions of competence in...
00:43:12.000If you're saying, hey, we don't have enough African-Americans at Harvard, right?
00:43:25.000There's not enough of them at Harvard.
00:43:34.000If the reality is that there's not enough because the scores are not high, High enough in the African-American community to get into Harvard, then we can't just say, well, that's it.
00:43:49.000The scores aren't high enough and we're done.
00:43:51.000Well, why aren't the scores high enough?
00:44:18.000I'm regretting nodding my head like that now because it'd be very easy to make it look like I was masturbating, which I can assure you both that I wasn't.
00:44:25.000Now, when it comes to standard competence...
00:44:30.000i don't know which one of you was talking most in our in the last part of this conversation but whichever one of you went on the least and it's sometimes hard to determine who talks most among
00:44:48.000I wonder what you think about, you know, I was saying, when it comes to airline pilots, yeah, why would you not want there to be a kind of nice spread of sex and ethnicity across pilots?
00:45:03.000You ultimately want to address that problem as far away from the...
00:45:07.000Point where someone's been given a job as possible, i.e.
00:45:10.000if you want a fair and just society, you want to address that through education, you've got to address that through economics, community building, and all of these projects seem pretty impossible unless you've got a belief in some kind of ulterior power, whether you call it God or common sense is up to you.
00:45:27.000But without some sort of set of principles, it's difficult to think how you would create a just and fair society.
00:45:34.000Lara, what do you make of DEI, and in particular, Lecrae's point about when it comes to institutions of excellence that you would want to address why there might be disproportionate representation of one group or another?
00:45:51.000Well, it's interesting that he chose the example of Harvard, right?
00:45:56.000Population-wise, there's a disproportionate number of Asians.
00:46:00.000And so people are now saying, oh, well, you can't have too many Asians at Howard.
00:46:04.000We've got to keep it diverse according to some kind of fictional scale that we don't really know what that is.
00:46:15.000Because you can take, if you have a town in America that's 98% Hispanic, that's considered diverse.
00:46:22.000If that same town is 98% white, Then it's considered an aberration, and it has to be obliterated, and it has to be reordered.
00:46:31.000And so what exactly defines diversity?
00:46:34.000Apparently, it's everything that isn't majority white.
00:46:37.000And I bring this conversation back to the population of the United States of America, which still, in spite of the best efforts of those who apparently seem to despise white people, This country is still roughly 70% white.
00:46:57.000And when I ask people, what percentage of the American population do you think is African American or black American?
00:47:09.000Well, it's actually more like around 11%.
00:47:13.000So when you start, I mean, if you were to watch television in the United States today, you could be forgiven for thinking that 80% of American society is black.
00:47:23.000DEI-driven, you know, self-flagellation of white people, correction in the society that doesn't reflect the society at all.
00:47:31.000Now, I don't even like talking in these kind of numbers.
00:47:33.000I've got to tell you, it makes my skin crawl because I grew up in South Africa under apartheid, which was an institutionalized system of racism and injustice.
00:49:00.000Now that doesn't mean they can't work hard, figure things out, and make a decent living for themselves, especially if they have a bit of luck along the way.
00:49:07.000I'm not, you know, I'm not whining here.
00:49:11.000But there is an issue in American schools across the country.
00:49:17.000There is an issue in inner-city schools that absolutely has to address.
00:49:21.000Americans have been in an education crisis for a very long time, and no one's been willing to tackle this right now.
00:49:27.000That's what is so revolutionary about this moment that we're in as a nation and as a society.
00:49:34.000Because right now you have a president in the Oval Office who, contrary to the Hollywood Information warfare depiction of presidents that crept in over the last few decades, that the president is somehow just this figurehead and an idiot and isn't really running the country, right?
00:49:51.000That was a PSYOP. That was, that was...
00:49:54.000We're shaping the information battlefield to prepare us for the days of Joe Biden, where it doesn't even matter if a person's in this dementia because the country's being run by other people that you don't apparently see, and you don't get to hold them accountable.
00:50:08.000Well, that whole psyop has been trashed, right?
00:50:12.000Donald Trump took gasoline and he set the whole thing on fire, and they've never forgiven him for it.
00:50:18.000You know, because of all, I mean, I'm sure you can point to his faults, but one of them is not, stupidity is not one of them, right?
00:50:24.000And so what Donald Trump is willing to do is he's willing to get rid of the Department of Education, which, by the way, for all those people who say, oh, good Lord, you can't get rid of that.
00:50:32.000What about all those people before the 1960s?
00:50:35.000You know, when there was no Department of Education, they seemed to do just fine.
00:50:39.000So, I mean, I agree with the Craig that it isn't good enough to say, you just stop here.
00:50:45.000You do need to get back to the heart of it.
00:50:47.000I would say, unequivocally, nobody wants a pilot who's in the sky because they're female or because they're black or because they're Hispanic or whatever.
00:50:58.000And that's never, ever, ever going to change.
00:51:02.000And as far as DEI goes, all this DEI consultancy nonsense...
00:51:08.000I would help them pour gasoline on it.
00:51:11.000I would happily see it all burned to the ground.
00:51:13.000Because there's not a single black community in this country since DEI began that can stand up and say their lives are better because of it.
00:51:22.000BLM raised, I mean, I think from Nike Jordan, $100 million.
00:51:34.000Not one city, not one county in the United States of America gets to stand up and say our lives are better because of what BLM did for this black community here.
00:51:48.000And the sooner we get rid of it, the better.
00:51:51.000and yet neil in the united kingdom we're seeing dei initiatives given precedence over paying troops tell me where do you stand on it particularly as someone who i imagine in your wild and picaresque journey through professions has picked up all sorts of old school liberal views i think um you know lara's right i was
00:52:17.000You know, Lara, you really came to a point there in your last few...
00:52:25.000You know, paragraphs of what you said.
00:52:27.000I think it's evident that even before the nonsense of the Black Lives Matter hoax, I mean, I think it's demonstrable that the civil rights movement en masse, en balance, was bad news for Black American people.
00:52:49.000It absolutely didn't make things better.
00:52:53.000You know, you ended up in the US in a situation where people had been wholesale invited to embrace the whole idea of victimhood and all of the rest of it.
00:53:11.000I buy into the idea that the civil rights movement was bad.
00:53:16.000It was bad news for the very group of people that it was supposed to benefit.
00:53:25.000I think, you know, DEI is just bollocks, to use a traditional Scottish word.
00:53:36.000I come back to the idea that everyone knows if you're in the sky, if you're in the sky, my God, let me be, my aircraft be being piloted by the very best human being available for that post.
00:53:50.000And likewise, let the people in air traffic control on the ground that are speaking to my pilot be absolutely the very best selected human beings there could possibly be.
00:56:26.000And society discriminates because you go, right, well, in this context...
00:56:32.000This very narrow strata of people are appropriate for the job.
00:56:37.000That's discriminatory and everybody else is like, don't be ridiculous, go and do something else because your skill set does not enable you to do this.
00:57:00.000To find the right people for the right things.
00:57:04.000Maybe in this instance DEI was another of the kind of tools of bewilderment and disorientation because one of the things I felt when having that conversation on Break Bread that was a Christian spirit.
00:57:15.000Of inquiry, asking why, why, why, again and again when confronted with injustice, whether it's a demographic injustice or over-representation in a prison population, or looking at the history of nations and which particular people have been exploited, asking why is very, very important.
00:57:32.000It's also important, I suppose, to derive the principles around which we organise our society, around some absolute set of ethics, and certainly when we were looking at that era of bewilderment that flowed forth from globalism.
00:57:44.000With its giddy Olympic ceremonies and its extraordinary edicts and social initiatives, it seems sometimes like what they were trying to create and engender was confusion and bewilderment and doubt around all categories and around all moral certainty.
00:57:59.000And certainly, to me at least, it seems they achieved that.
00:58:02.000You two, thank you so much for joining me for another episode of Stay Free Oracles.
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00:58:30.000Lara, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:58:33.000And Neil, would you be so kind as to do this again next week and regardless again with another themed outfit, perhaps a pith helmet, a butterfly net?
00:58:42.000Who knows what you could pull out of the wardrobe?
00:58:45.000Good Lord, yes, Russell, I could absolutely...
00:59:01.000We'll be back on Monday with a brilliant conversation with Asim Malhotra and coverage of the extraordinary new claim that there could be another pandemic emerging from, you guessed it, Wuhan.
00:59:12.000Here's a little bit of my conversation with Lecrae.
00:59:14.000There's always a tension when you're talking about ethnicity in America.
00:59:21.000There's always this tension, but it's not even a tension that is birthed in America.
00:59:30.000Even if you go into the scriptures, there's ethnic tension between the Samaritans, between the Jews and the Gentiles.
00:59:36.000And so that ethnic tension and the necessity or the desire to exalt one's ethnicity over the other is an age-old issue.
00:59:51.000I think that, you know, God is not opposed to ethnicities.
00:59:56.000Otherwise, he would not have said, oh, the Jews are going to be my chosen people in this era of time.
01:00:01.000And then, you know, grafting in Gentiles and just it didn't have to be that way.
01:00:06.000He could have just made us like this, you know, homogenous group of people with no ethnicities.
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