Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 19, 2024


THE BIG FINALE at RNC: LIVE with Dan Bongino, Charlie Kirk & Nigel Farage - SF 411

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Russell Brand is joined by Charlie Kirk and Dan Bongino at the Republican National Convention to discuss the future of the party and the legacy it has left behind. Plus, a special guest appearance from the late RFK himself, and a look back at the life and career of the late John McCain. And, of course, a look ahead to 2020 and the 2020 election. Thanks to our sponsor, Stay Free with Russell Brand! Stay Free! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The theme song is Come Alone by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. Our ad music is by Komiku. We do not own the rights to either of these songs or any other music used in this episode. If you like what you hear, please leave us a five star rating and review on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your music recommendations. It helps us to keep bringing you quality, diverse and authentic content. Thank you so much to our sponsorships, and we appreciate the feedback we get from our listeners. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe to our podcast and share the podcast! The opinions stated here are not necessarily representative of those of our corporate and trade partners. We are not affiliated with any of the companies mentioned in the show. All opinions expressed here are our own, unless otherwise stated. . All rights reserved. This episode was produced and promoted by our patrons are their own. by our good friend, Dan Bino, the wonderful folks at The Public Relations Agency, LLC. and our good morning coffee and their good morning and good afternoon coffee and good evening, and good night, good night all of your day to all of you. Thank you very much in the rest of the world. Love you. - Thank you for listening out there, bye. -- Thank you, bye, bye! - Yours Truly, your support is so much, bye - Ollie, bye bye, Kristy, bye Bye Bye, bye - bye, Bye Bye Bye bye, MURPHOTOGRAPHY - P.B. - MURCHESPODCAST AND KELLY AND GABE AND KAVY AND KAREN AND JAYE AND AUGMENTED AND POTTERY AND PODCAST

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00:00:00.000 So, so
00:00:18.000 so so
00:06:48.000 Let's see the future.
00:06:50.000 Oh In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:06:58.000 Hello.
00:06:59.000 Welcome to a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand at the RNC.
00:07:04.000 Over the course of the next hour, we're going to be joined by a carnival of extraordinary guests.
00:07:09.000 But will we ever retain the heights of this moment now with Charlie Kirk, who quite literally is a towering individual.
00:07:15.000 Charlie, it's lovely to be with you today.
00:07:17.000 Thank you.
00:07:17.000 Someone said that I was part of the Nephilim, which is the old giant people that used to Those giants, I think they carried, from what I've read in scripture, they carried on in a saucy way.
00:07:25.000 That's correct, yes.
00:07:27.000 They made off with the daughters of man. 0.70
00:07:29.000 In Genesis 5, I believe it says that.
00:07:31.000 Maybe earlier, Genesis 3 maybe.
00:07:32.000 They were right there in the middle of Genesis.
00:07:34.000 That's right.
00:07:34.000 Those great towering giants.
00:07:36.000 Mate, how have you found this RNC so far and how do you manage the inevitable sort of sense that there are power games and power wrangles and sometimes the sense of the corruption that is tempting for partisan figures, which I figure that you are to a degree, to cast onto opponents but not easily acknowledge when it's happening within your own institution?
00:08:01.000 Well look I mean right now we we see the party more unified than ever and I mean as far as You know, myself personally, just trying to stay sane in the midst of all of it.
00:08:10.000 You know, it's really amazing, though, to see J.D.
00:08:12.000 Vance become vice president last evening was a refutation of the Bush-Cheney warmongering nonsense.
00:08:19.000 And seeing that on full display.
00:08:21.000 Because the Republican Party was the party of war my entire life.
00:08:24.000 Since I was born in 1993.
00:08:25.000 The Iraq War, the Afghanistan War.
00:08:28.000 And to have someone get on the main stage and say, yeah, we're not going to engage in endless wars.
00:08:33.000 And we will use our strength when necessary.
00:08:35.000 But the Iraq War was a mistake. 0.97
00:08:37.000 I mean, that is a recalibration, Russell.
00:08:39.000 The likes of which that we could not have predicted, let alone five years ago.
00:08:43.000 It is actually a recalibration that goes beyond the party politics of the Republican Party, in a sense a reframing of what the left and the liberal left sees itself as.
00:08:52.000 There's no refuting at this point that the military-industrial-complex-dem party is the party of war.
00:08:58.000 Nevertheless, I met JD Vance, albeit briefly, and I thought he seemed like a pretty spectacular guy.
00:09:05.000 He's wonderful.
00:09:06.000 Plus his history and stuff.
00:09:07.000 I mean, it's difficult not to get excited by that.
00:09:09.000 But I wonder if you too believe for a moment that there was a possibility that RFK might get this sort of unifying position as VP.
00:09:17.000 I never thought that was seriously in contention.
00:09:20.000 I like RFK a lot.
00:09:21.000 I like how many votes he's taken from Democrats right now.
00:09:24.000 But I think that he's done some great work with medical freedom, individual autonomy.
00:09:29.000 But look, I don't think that was ever probably in serious contention.
00:09:32.000 I will say though, I would not be surprised if RFK has a role in the administration.
00:09:37.000 I'm going to be pushing for that, by the way.
00:09:40.000 I said this on your show previously, and so I've said this to the President, and I'm going to say it again.
00:09:45.000 I think that RFK should share a special blue ribbon commission, an actual one, not a fake one, into childhood vaccination schedule.
00:09:53.000 I think we have to share a mic, Dan.
00:09:55.000 We're in the business of actually... We're trying to get viewers, Dan.
00:10:00.000 The last thing we need is you sidling on here. 1.00
00:10:04.000 We're trying to...
00:10:06.000 We're trying to cultivate an audience.
00:10:08.000 Brother, man, I'm telling you, you are, like, such an electric personality.
00:10:12.000 You got, like, an energy about you, man.
00:10:13.000 It's hard to... Right, Charlie?
00:10:15.000 I mean... He's infectious.
00:10:17.000 Like, you walk in a room and it's like, boom!
00:10:19.000 Pow! 0.99
00:10:19.000 Kicking the balls, man. 0.99
00:10:20.000 It's freaking amazing. 0.99
00:10:21.000 Like, where do you get that from?
00:10:22.000 I have been accused of being infectious before, but not in precisely that manner, Dan Bongino.
00:10:27.000 And I will take that as an extraordinary compliment for you.
00:10:30.000 I must say, it's been a particular marvel to share this space with you.
00:10:30.000 It is, brother.
00:10:34.000 Albeit sometimes distracting, because you yourself are not devoid of incredible presence.
00:10:39.000 And if I can just remind you of one thing that you said earlier today, obviously all of us now at this Republican convention are living in the immediate aftermath of this extraordinary historical event that will be unpacked perhaps for generations.
00:10:51.000 And what was astonishing was to hear you when people in your audience, our audience, because to a degree we share an audience here as Rumble creators, who have a great appetite for conspiracy.
00:11:03.000 And when there are as many anomalies as there evidently were in the events of Butler, there is an appetite for people to be told, this involves deep state conspiracy.
00:11:13.000 And I thought the way that you handled that was extremely disciplined and elegant and involved a deployment of journalistic integrity that our collective many detractors would deny that you have.
00:11:25.000 Could you just tell me once again, like, what your position on that was, Dan, when people are saying, all these anomalies, the ladder, the going around with a scanner and scoping the place out.
00:11:34.000 There must be deep state involvement.
00:11:36.000 How come you took such a strong position against that idea?
00:11:38.000 Well, for three days now, um, a couple of folks in my chat, and it was limited, but it was a few.
00:11:44.000 There were people saying, you know, Dan, you know, why don't you just say it?
00:11:48.000 You know, this is an inside job.
00:11:49.000 And I, I, you heard me screaming because I said, no.
00:11:54.000 I don't know that. 0.99
00:11:56.000 And I don't say shit I can't back up. 0.98
00:11:58.000 Could it be an inside job, given this guy? 0.99
00:12:01.000 Absolutely.
00:12:02.000 Do I have evidence to back that up?
00:12:04.000 If I did, I'd put it out on my show.
00:12:07.000 Russell, listen.
00:12:08.000 I am not ever going to be a leftist.
00:12:10.000 I'm not going to be Adam Schiff and go on TV.
00:12:12.000 Charlie, you saw it.
00:12:13.000 I've got evidence of a Russian conspiracy.
00:12:15.000 Let's see it, bro!
00:12:16.000 Well, I don't really have it, but it's there, I promise.
00:12:18.000 I'm never going to do that.
00:12:20.000 Listen, I don't trust the government.
00:12:22.000 I had a question authority bumper sticker on my car when I was in college.
00:12:25.000 I never have.
00:12:26.000 I've always been a conservatarian.
00:12:28.000 But I only say things on my show that I can back up.
00:12:32.000 And suggesting I was somehow like hiding information because I knew it was an inside job is insane.
00:12:38.000 If evidence materializes that's the case, I'll put it out. 0.98
00:12:41.000 But when you burn your integrity with the audience and say shit you can't back up and you put it out on Twitter, look! 0.98
00:12:47.000 I got evidence. 1.00
00:12:48.000 And then they click and they realize you're full of shit. 1.00
00:12:51.000 Your audience goes down and down and down. 1.00
00:12:54.000 It is important, Russell, not to be first, but to be right.
00:12:58.000 And I am only going to say stuff I can back up.
00:13:00.000 And if I'm speculating, you will hear me say it.
00:13:03.000 This is speculation based on said evidence, but I haven't drawn a conclusion.
00:13:08.000 You're only going to get that on the right, not on the left.
00:13:10.000 That is an incredible and important point.
00:13:12.000 As the Republican movement transitions, presumably from opposition to power, there will be a new degree of rigor Required and many of the things that much of the proselytization, many of the projections and much of the conjecture will now have to be deployed in an administration and that kind of integrity that you're able to deploy as a journalist, as an outsider
00:13:37.000 It's going to be important, isn't it, if this is presumably, Charlie, a movement now towards government.
00:13:43.000 How do you think Trump will fare if, indeed, he becomes the ultimate authority in American politics?
00:13:51.000 First, we have to keep him alive because his safety is not secure, in my personal opinion.
00:13:57.000 We have no guarantees the Secret Service, in its current form or fashion, can actually protect his safety.
00:14:02.000 And I say this, the Secret Service Director won't even talk to lawmakers, and so we have to keep him alive and J.D.
00:14:07.000 Vance alive from now till November and even beyond that.
00:14:11.000 And so, but yes, as far as governing goes, I mean, look, this is why the J.D.
00:14:16.000 Vance pick is so important, is that back in 2016, there was a backdoor behind Trump for the intel agencies and for the deep state forces to be able to manipulate the government through Mike Pence and through other advisors around Donald Trump.
00:14:28.000 That was walled off last night.
00:14:30.000 Last night, you saw that Donald Trump's presidency will not have a backdoor to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Justice, against the wishes of Donald Trump.
00:14:39.000 Vance is completely consistent with the worldview of Donald Trump.
00:14:39.000 J.D.
00:14:42.000 In fact, he is, I think, the most articulate spokesperson of that agenda, especially when it comes to ending these stupid endless wars, putting America first, and exploring American energy, restricting mass migration, and finally questioning some of these stupid trade deals. 0.97
00:14:58.000 Mike Pence was much more of a neoliberal that was in that position. 0.96
00:15:01.000 In fact, I'll tell you a true story.
00:15:03.000 This was reported on, but people don't know it as well as they should.
00:15:06.000 Donald Trump wanted to leave Afghanistan the right way.
00:15:08.000 He wanted to get out of Afghanistan. 0.99
00:15:10.000 It was a campaign promise, a campaign pledge.
00:15:13.000 And he didn't want to do it like Joe Biden, leaving $90 billion of equipment.
00:15:16.000 But he said, this is too long of a war.
00:15:18.000 We must put Americans first.
00:15:19.000 Mike Pence assembled a private rehearsal meeting the night before that Donald Trump was going to make the final decision with all of his, um, Secretary of Defense cabinet.
00:15:28.000 At the time it was Mad Dog Mattis and he had Rex Tillerson and Mike Pence had assembled the entire team and they, he said, I'll play Donald Trump.
00:15:36.000 Let's rehearse how this meeting is going to go.
00:15:39.000 I never heard them.
00:15:40.000 Oh no, and Mike Pence was like, here's what Trump's gonna say, and then you guys say this next, and then you guys say this next.
00:15:45.000 Manipulating.
00:15:46.000 So Trump walks into this meeting with his cabinet, having everyone there rehearsed of move A, move B, move C, move D.
00:15:54.000 I'm very disappointed in particular at Mad Dog Malice, who with a name like that, you'd think you'd be able to rely on.
00:16:00.000 Now, what about, like, hey, Dan, you know that clip that's going around everywhere of Chuck Schumer saying, if you transgress against the deep state... Six ways to Sunday.
00:16:09.000 You better run!
00:16:10.000 That was mid-January 2017.
00:16:11.000 All right, Charlie, we're all aware of your position on the spectrum.
00:16:15.000 OK, all right.
00:16:17.000 Don't... Calm down, Charlie, you great data receptacle.
00:16:22.000 All right.
00:16:24.000 It's an incredible ability, isn't it, that Charlie has.
00:16:24.000 But it is good.
00:16:26.000 I'm really seeing people's essence here.
00:16:27.000 He's a talented radio guy.
00:16:28.000 I know.
00:16:29.000 He's very talented.
00:16:29.000 I mean, he's gifted.
00:16:30.000 I mean, he's extraordinary.
00:16:31.000 Sometimes he beats me in the podcast charts.
00:16:32.000 I'm very... We're capitalists, right?
00:16:34.000 Yeah, we're very competitive.
00:16:35.000 I sent him a text.
00:16:35.000 I'm like, you gonna be sick tomorrow or something?
00:16:38.000 So I put your ass down a few spots. 1.00
00:16:40.000 Don't start any conspiracy theories on this show. 0.99
00:16:43.000 We're here only for evidence-based information.
00:16:47.000 Even though you've said what you said, presumably about an ongoing fealty to the men and women that serve in the services with which you have long been associated, that you don't want to involve in conjecture, that is dispiriting, harmful and And plainly untrue for people that dedicate their lives to what they believe in.
00:17:05.000 What do you feel it means when someone like Chuck Schumer says, if you mess with a deep state, as Charlie remembered, as he probably does everything that's been said in this conversation, probably if we dropped a box of matches, Charlie would know how many there were on the floor without counting them.
00:17:22.000 I wonder what you think about the Chuck Schumer thing.
00:17:25.000 What does he mean?
00:17:25.000 And is this, when people talk about the deep state and the power of the deep state, and when Trump said the first time around, drain the swamp, do you think that in invective like that, there is a real fear in that?
00:17:38.000 Is this something you can speculate on without transgressing the views that you articulated so well earlier?
00:17:43.000 Yeah, having worked in the Secret Service, we were never gatherers of intelligence.
00:17:47.000 And it's for an obvious reason.
00:17:48.000 If I'm protecting Charlie, and say he's the president of some country somewhere, he doesn't want us gathering intelligence.
00:17:56.000 He's not going to let us protect him.
00:17:57.000 He's going to say, hey, keep your distance.
00:17:58.000 I don't want you hearing my conversations.
00:18:00.000 But what we do is we consume intelligence.
00:18:02.000 Because if I am protecting Charlie or Russell or whatever, I'm going to get the CIA and others to give us a brief and say, hey, I can't say this publicly, but here's what's happening with Russell, the threat level behind the scenes.
00:18:12.000 So being a 12-year consumer of the highest levels of intelligence, yes, the deep state is real.
00:18:18.000 And I want to give a hat tip here.
00:18:19.000 One of the best commentators out there, I know you know him, is Mike Benz.
00:18:22.000 You ever want commentary on him?
00:18:23.000 He's just the best.
00:18:24.000 But he explains this better than anyone.
00:18:26.000 I wrote this in a couple of books.
00:18:29.000 The deep state has been basically at war with the American political system for a long time.
00:18:33.000 And it's not just the standard players like, you know, people in the CIA or whatever.
00:18:37.000 Some, not all of course, but they work through various carve-outs and entities, NGOs, non-governmental
00:18:43.000 organizations, and those are the people where there's a lot of influence.
00:18:47.000 Matter of fact, if you look at what happened in Ukraine pre-war, you know, you'll find out that
00:18:51.000 it's just a quick example of how the deep state works.
00:18:55.000 There was a pro-European side of Ukraine and a pro-Russia side.
00:18:58.000 Pretty simple.
00:18:58.000 A versus B. One side wanted one thing, one side wanted the other thing.
00:19:02.000 So what they did is a bunch of non-governmental organizations on the ground went and hired former bureaucrats and former politicians who were old members of the state.
00:19:11.000 That's why I don't like the term Deep State.
00:19:12.000 I call it, you know, it's more like the blob, like Benz calls it, because they're not all state actors.
00:19:18.000 And what they'll do is, these are people who have contacts in the state and use them and leverage them, but are on the outside getting paid so they have none of the accountability.
00:19:26.000 So Russell, the deep state, you have the worst of both worlds.
00:19:29.000 You have people with connections inside the government to make your life, your life, and my life miserable, but they have none of the, in fact, accountability where we can get them fired because they did something outside of their governmental role.
00:19:40.000 That's really what the deep state is, and Ben just gloriously explains it in every video.
00:19:45.000 Yeah, he's so articulate, Mike Benz.
00:19:49.000 The manner in which he's able to reference accurate data and portray the kind of corruption and kind of an international level of dread is an ability that's almost comparable to yours, Charlie, as a receptacle of information, holding it all together.
00:20:05.000 One of the things you were saying just before Dan graced us with his incredible presence, Still basking in somewhat, was that the Republican Party is more united than it's ever been.
00:20:16.000 So there are no obstacles, you know, outside of the kind of nefarious things to which have been alluded and have recently been experienced to the assent of Donald Trump.
00:20:26.000 How do you imagine this time around the ascendant political power of Trump will contend with the kind of state power, deep state power, blob power, I'll use whatever term you want, once in office?
00:20:40.000 Yeah, so the second term is going to be a lot different than the first.
00:20:43.000 First of all, personnel is policy and there are some really great people that are going to be going into this government.
00:20:48.000 Secondly, J.D.
00:20:48.000 Vance is going to be a keeping the eyes on the federal government every single day when President Trump might be ...handling higher level type of diplomatic issues.
00:20:57.000 Look, President Trump's agenda day one is going to be securing the border, ending the war in Ukraine, ending the war in Gaza, and making sure that we have our commitment to Israel.
00:21:04.000 That's like the first week or two.
00:21:07.000 Under the current though, we need to build a government, put cabinet secretaries in,
00:21:11.000 and also we have a looming list of like 50 or 60 immediate reforms and firings that need to happen.
00:21:17.000 There's a reform called Schedule F that allows you to fire federal employees at will, but there's
00:21:22.000 also a 1960s-era act that allows the President of the United States, it's the President Reassignment Act.
00:21:28.000 I'm getting the name wrong, but it's something of that sort that essentially allows, if there's duplication in government, the president can merge agencies or officials together.
00:21:35.000 No one knows this exists.
00:21:36.000 Vivek told me about this, and I went and did all the research on it.
00:21:38.000 It's amazing.
00:21:39.000 So, for example, if there is duplicative type of work happening in the federal government, in the Department of Education and also maybe in the Department of Interior or Department of Interior, Department of Energy, you can then merge government agencies together and effectively sunset and end
00:21:53.000 them.
00:21:53.000 Now it'll be challenged in court but it's pretty clear that the executive
00:21:56.000 branch has far more power than people realize and there needs to be an immediate message if President
00:22:03.000 Trump were to win and take office in the first couple of weeks that every bureaucrat is worried that they might be
00:22:10.000 next.
00:22:10.000 That there needs to be volleys and salvos of firings and terminations.
00:22:14.000 And this needs to continue for quite some time.
00:22:17.000 And then, yeah, look, again, it comes down to the human beings that actually execute the policy as well.
00:22:22.000 Do you know that... Thank you very much.
00:22:23.000 That was so beautifully explained, but I'd expect nothing less from you, Charlie.
00:22:26.000 You're an astonishing man.
00:22:27.000 Now, listen, we have to leave YouTube right now, so if you're watching us on YouTube, there's a link in the description.
00:22:32.000 Click that, join us on Rumble.
00:22:33.000 After all, we are Rumble creators.
00:22:35.000 They're free of us.
00:22:36.000 And we need you to join us there, because, well, Dan, who knows what further illuminations await us from that direction.
00:22:42.000 Charlie could be turning verbal pirouettes at any moment now.
00:22:45.000 And I get the sense that there's information that these two men are not willing to tell me while we're still on a platform like YouTube that regulates in the manner that it does.
00:22:53.000 He's a member of the TNI and is ultimately part of the systems that constrain our freedom.
00:22:58.000 Click the link in the description and join us in that sweet stream of freedom that we call Rumble with some of the best.
00:23:04.000 Now we're here on Rumble.
00:23:06.000 Oh god, I can relax.
00:23:06.000 I can unwind.
00:23:07.000 Should we take our tops off?
00:23:08.000 Wait, now I can talk about the vaccine.
00:23:10.000 Now, my favourite one was the third booster.
00:23:13.000 That's when I started to feel very, very powerful indeed.
00:23:15.000 Hey, I've got to do an ad read, Charlie.
00:23:18.000 I'm imagining that if I do anything wrong, Dan, step in.
00:23:22.000 I'm watching.
00:23:22.000 This is for 1775.
00:23:23.000 1775.
00:23:23.000 I'll track us back.
00:23:28.000 Wow!
00:23:28.000 Why?
00:23:29.000 Why didn't anyone check that sloped roof?
00:23:32.000 Who threw this?
00:23:33.000 Why was the perimeter not cleared?
00:23:36.000 For God's sake, stay alert!
00:23:38.000 The sort of thing we're trying to shut down, isn't it?
00:23:40.000 Okay, so this is 1775.
00:23:42.000 As you know, this is a Rumble-affiliated brand.
00:23:45.000 Charlie, have you been drinking 1775 coffee?
00:23:47.000 It's terrific stuff.
00:23:48.000 It's pretty magical and uplifting.
00:23:50.000 Dan, you're never off duty, are you?
00:23:53.000 No, I'm always working.
00:23:54.000 Every single time.
00:23:54.000 You need to relax.
00:23:55.000 I know I can't.
00:23:56.000 I can't.
00:23:56.000 I'm a New Yorker.
00:23:56.000 We're going to go into deep prayer.
00:23:58.000 Charlie suggested a Bible reading.
00:23:59.000 Dan got me on the thing of having coffee later in the morning, not immediately.
00:24:02.000 Yes, you've got to wait 90 minutes.
00:24:03.000 Your Breka podcast got me on that.
00:24:05.000 Yes, Gary Breka.
00:24:06.000 You can't drink it right away.
00:24:07.000 90 minutes.
00:24:08.000 And it tastes better, too.
00:24:09.000 I've heard that.
00:24:10.000 And longer shelf life in your system.
00:24:12.000 Go to bed, then get up.
00:24:14.000 90 minutes after that, get yourself some 1775 coffee.
00:24:18.000 You know this is celebrating a revolutionary event that was very, very detrimental to the health of my country.
00:24:23.000 As you know, Old Millie, it led to a revolution that I think, in retrospect, was a mistake.
00:24:28.000 But if you use the code RNC, you will get 40% off your first order of... It's delicious stuff.
00:24:33.000 It is delicious.
00:24:35.000 That is so incredibly sincere.
00:24:36.000 It is delicious, isn't it?
00:24:37.000 Oh, it's amazing, yeah.
00:24:38.000 I mean, sometimes I ingest it nasally, Charlie, just to... That's perfect for you.
00:24:43.000 Cut out the middleman for heaven's sake.
00:24:44.000 I would expect that.
00:24:46.000 Dan, do you want me to leave you for a minute over there just to sort of deal with some stuff?
00:24:50.000 No, no, no.
00:24:51.000 I'm always doing showbiz.
00:24:54.000 I have a FOMO thing.
00:24:55.000 Fear of missing out.
00:24:56.000 I do.
00:24:57.000 Charlie, you ever get that on the show?
00:24:58.000 Like you feel like I'm going to miss a story or an angle?
00:25:00.000 All the time.
00:25:01.000 Well, I mean, there's no news going on right now.
00:25:02.000 I know.
00:25:03.000 Listen, as a content creator, Russell, here's my biggest fear.
00:25:08.000 My shows are live, every day, four hours a day.
00:25:12.000 I'm proudest of the fact, you know, knock on wood or whatever, that despite having a Fox show, a radio show, and a TV show, I can tell you with a straight face, I'm yet to have gotten caught on the air.
00:25:22.000 Where someone says something, I go, you know what?
00:25:23.000 I just don't know.
00:25:25.000 It could happen.
00:25:25.000 I obviously don't know everything or even close to it.
00:25:28.000 But as a content creator, you damn well, it's your responsibility for the audience to know what everything is.
00:25:32.000 The face act, the save act, all that stuff.
00:25:35.000 So I always have this FOMO, like I'm gonna miss out, you know?
00:25:37.000 So, did you hear what Trump just said?
00:25:39.000 And if I don't hear it, like, what's the point of listening to me?
00:25:41.000 I screwed you over.
00:25:42.000 So, you know, it's a responsibility, man.
00:25:44.000 What is driving that in you, Dan?
00:25:46.000 And how do you connect it to the... I'm a little crazy, brother.
00:25:48.000 Yeah, yeah, clearly there's a sort of an energy. 0.96
00:25:50.000 I'm a little nuts.
00:25:51.000 I'm normal and sane. 0.96
00:25:52.000 I got the crazy eyes. 1.00
00:25:53.000 You're crazy. 1.00
00:25:54.000 He's crazy. 1.00
00:25:55.000 I'm bringing some rationalism to this conversation. 1.00
00:25:57.000 You are.
00:25:57.000 Russell Brand is the sanest person.
00:25:59.000 I'm actually the shortest person on this couch today, too, which is freaking bananas.
00:26:03.000 That never happens.
00:26:04.000 I'm 6'1".
00:26:05.000 And Charlie's like seven feet tall.
00:26:07.000 Charlie's not even the same species.
00:26:09.000 Charlie's legs are longer.
00:26:11.000 Nephilim.
00:26:11.000 We've been over this.
00:26:12.000 Nephilim.
00:26:13.000 He's part of the Nephilim. 0.99
00:26:14.000 He's a biblical character.
00:26:15.000 He's literally from scripture.
00:26:17.000 He strode right out of Genesis and into our lives and broken our hearts.
00:26:20.000 That's Charlie Kirk, everyone.
00:26:22.000 You know, that kind of dedication and devotion that you had in your previous incarnation as working for the security services, do you feel that level of devotion and dedication as a Rumble creator?
00:26:31.000 Is it something that you obsess about, making sure that you have the accurate information, the correct information, and the information available immediately?
00:26:39.000 Is it something you're very devoted to?
00:26:41.000 You know, I think I get it from my father.
00:26:43.000 You know, obviously we're, yeah, I'm not getting into social psychology, but we're all social models, right?
00:26:48.000 We model what we see around us.
00:26:50.000 You know, you look at old Bandura work and stuff like that.
00:26:53.000 And I grew up around my dad.
00:26:54.000 You know, my father was a plumber and a building inspector, and he worked his way up.
00:26:58.000 He ran the entire buildings department.
00:27:00.000 And he had an apartment out in Long Island, was connected to his house.
00:27:03.000 So when I went out to work in the Secret Service in the Long Island office, he said, hey, you want to rent the apartment?
00:27:08.000 And the driveway was right near the apartment.
00:27:10.000 So, four o'clock in the morning, every morning I'd hear... He had this old Mercury Cougar.
00:27:16.000 And my dad was the boss.
00:27:17.000 He ran like a 20-person department in Town of Smithtown.
00:27:20.000 There was zero reason whatsoever for my father to get to work before nine o'clock.
00:27:24.000 No one else was there.
00:27:25.000 It was just him.
00:27:26.000 But he got there at, I think, 4.35 because it was important to him that everybody knew he was the first guy into work and that he was... He didn't knock anyone else for showing up on time.
00:27:35.000 He wasn't like, hey, you should be here at 4.
00:27:37.000 He wasn't trying to be a showman.
00:27:39.000 He was trying to set an example.
00:27:40.000 And I gotta tell you, man, I never forgot that.
00:27:42.000 And I feel like... I don't know if you feel the same, Russell.
00:27:44.000 I know, Charlie, you do.
00:27:45.000 Like, I don't mean this in an insulting way to us, but we don't have real jobs.
00:27:49.000 Military folks, you know, engineers, railroad workers, UPS drivers, they have real jobs.
00:27:54.000 America, the UK, the world works because of them.
00:27:57.000 Not because we talk for a living.
00:27:59.000 It's an important job.
00:28:00.000 I'm glad we can impact people's lives.
00:28:02.000 But it's not a real job.
00:28:03.000 And I say that all the time to my audience.
00:28:05.000 And they're always like, no, no, Dan.
00:28:06.000 I'm like, no, no, no, Dan, nothing.
00:28:08.000 Like, this is not real.
00:28:09.000 What you guys do is real, and I respect that. 0.99
00:28:12.000 And if you're going to give me a fake job like this, where I talk for a living, then you're damn right I'm going to do the damn thing, the right freaking way, and not talk a bunch of bullshit. 0.99
00:28:20.000 That's my job, man. 0.99
00:28:21.000 And, you know, I'm not sitting here digging ditches for a living. 0.99
00:28:23.000 There are real people busting their ass. 0.99
00:28:25.000 We owe them that. 1.00
00:28:26.000 That's a pretty beautiful set of values.
00:28:28.000 I wonder how those values and the constituency that Dan is speaking to and for have over the last 20 years somehow been so casually demonised and condemned.
00:28:40.000 I saw it in my country in Brexit and certainly the rise of the MAGA movement has been accompanied with condemnation of an entire class of people as racist and various forms of attack.
00:28:50.000 How has that happened?
00:28:51.000 How did America turn on its inhabitants, Charlie, by your reckoning so insidiously and cruelly?
00:28:57.000 And how did they get away with it, continually framing themselves as the protectors of the vulnerable?
00:29:01.000 Yeah, after the wall fell and we declared victory over the Cold War, the ruling class of this country decided to care much more about Corporate profits and their own enrichment and the welfare of the American citizenry.
00:29:13.000 And they got away with it for the first 15 years because we were living on the multi-decade inheritance of winning World War II.
00:29:21.000 And so they decided to open up markets to liberalize everything.
00:29:24.000 We literally had the book by Francis Fukuyama where he said it's the end of history.
00:29:28.000 He's like, this is it!
00:29:29.000 That was the actual title.
00:29:31.000 Literally.
00:29:31.000 The title was The End of History.
00:29:33.000 Liberalism will take over the entire world.
00:29:36.000 you know, the whole idea of dictatorship or oligarchy or conservative rule is over, and
00:29:43.000 liberalism is the best way of ruling ever, and it will just spread with any sort of restraints.
00:29:49.000 And that was a lie. And it was a lie because they made a series of, again, what was on
00:29:54.000 full display here at the RNC is a refutation of that devil's bargain that occurred in the
00:29:59.000 late 80s and early 90s, which is neoliberalism is built on invade the world, invite the world,
00:30:05.000 and import a bunch of cheap stuff at the expense of your own citizens.
00:30:08.000 And we've lived through the excesses of that because our leaders, the last 20 years especially, have contempt for the people that they are tasked to govern.
00:30:17.000 It's pretty extraordinary that those military endeavours are no longer supported automatically and reflexively by the kind of people that you described.
00:30:26.000 Now, those people have become cynical, full of doubt.
00:30:30.000 The idea, as Charlie described earlier, Dan, that presumably Trump and Vance will ascend into power on an anti-war mandate, that, as Charlie said earlier, is an incredible recalibration.
00:30:41.000 How has this How has this change in temperature been achieved?
00:30:46.000 How has it happened that the Republican Party movement now is the party of anti-war?
00:30:51.000 And what do you imagine is going to happen?
00:30:53.000 Where is all of that power, all of that lobbying clout, all of that manipulation going to go
00:30:58.000 once they no longer have the pathways that were available to them?
00:31:02.000 Isn't it incredible?
00:31:03.000 I mean, you're a guy, comedy, acting, you've been around, people have known you forever.
00:31:08.000 You've been surrounded, essentially, by liberals your entire life who prided themselves on the idea that they were the peaceniks, right?
00:31:16.000 And now they're the warthogs. 0.89
00:31:19.000 You know what?
00:31:20.000 My position on this, though, I've actually run for office at last, but you can go back and watch my campaign commercials and everything else.
00:31:27.000 I've been consistently anti-foreign intervention when there's no actual game plan.
00:31:32.000 I was against the Iraq war, Afghanistan, there were portions of it we had to do after 9-11, but I certainly did not support a long-term footprint.
00:31:40.000 And I'm going to tell you something that changed me, and I'm trying not to get all choked up, and I'm trying not to be a wussbag, but you know what?
00:31:47.000 My uncle served in Vietnam, a war where the message, at a minimum, was confusing to people.
00:31:53.000 They didn't understand what we were doing.
00:31:55.000 I'm not saying that... I'm just saying the message to the American people was off, okay?
00:32:00.000 My uncle was supposed to come home.
00:32:02.000 The day he was supposed to come home, they had signs... We owned a bar.
00:32:04.000 It was called Gibby's Bar on Myrtle Avenue in Queens, New York.
00:32:07.000 They had signs up, Welcome Home Greg.
00:32:09.000 It was the actual day.
00:32:11.000 Two soldiers walk up.
00:32:13.000 It's not Greg.
00:32:14.000 And my grandfather, who was a little bit of a bit actor, and he would do commercials.
00:32:18.000 He was the bar owner.
00:32:19.000 My grandfather was about 500 pounds and 6'7".
00:32:23.000 He was a big guy.
00:32:24.000 So that's why he was an actor.
00:32:26.000 He used to do Rupert Beer commercials.
00:32:26.000 And you'd see him.
00:32:29.000 And my grandmother was upstairs.
00:32:31.000 Now, my uncle who died, my grandmother's first husband had died.
00:32:34.000 That was my uncle's dad.
00:32:35.000 So this was his stepfather.
00:32:37.000 And these two soldiers walk in.
00:32:39.000 And they said, you know, my uncle, my grandfather knows right away.
00:32:43.000 And they said, we're looking for Eileen, Gregory Ambrose's mom.
00:32:48.000 And he said, you're not going up there.
00:32:50.000 I'm going to do it.
00:32:51.000 He didn't let him.
00:32:52.000 He said, no, no, you don't.
00:32:53.000 They said, we have to.
00:32:54.000 He said, I know you got hurt.
00:32:55.000 You're not doing it.
00:32:57.000 And I'm going to tell you something, man.
00:32:58.000 My grandmother was never the same, ever.
00:33:00.000 There was 1968, he was killed.
00:33:02.000 He was shot in the back in Thu Duc, Vietnam, saving his friend.
00:33:05.000 He was given the bronze star with a V cluster.
00:33:07.000 My grandmother was never, ever the same.
00:33:11.000 My grandmother died, you know, 40 years, 50 years later, she could never, ever have the name Greg mentioned in front of her without breaking down.
00:33:20.000 And Russell, I get it.
00:33:21.000 I don't want to oversimplify war.
00:33:23.000 The human condition is something not easily simplified by one-page narratives in a book. 0.84
00:33:28.000 However, if I, as a political leader running for office when I did, I'm not anymore, am going to commit your son into combat, or daughter, and they're going to come back in some freaking body bag, then I better damn well have some kind of game plan as to why they died.
00:33:43.000 And I think the Republican Party has always been the party, at least on the economic front, of results.
00:33:48.000 And I think we just applied the same guiding ethos to war.
00:33:51.000 Where's the spreadsheet?
00:33:53.000 What are you doing?
00:33:54.000 We're giving them money exactly for what?
00:33:57.000 What's the game plan?
00:33:59.000 What are we doing in Iraq?
00:34:00.000 And no one can answer these questions, and what's our history of success?
00:34:04.000 And if I may, last evening the kicker of J.D.
00:34:07.000 Vance's entire speech was that we are rejecting abstractions.
00:34:13.000 Think about, oh, we're spreading democracy in Iraq.
00:34:15.000 Go spend more money.
00:34:16.000 Or Zelensky's the new Churchill.
00:34:17.000 Exactly.
00:34:17.000 These are all abstractions.
00:34:19.000 When they come under criticism or scrutiny, they have no backing in any sort of facts.
00:34:24.000 The slightest criticism.
00:34:25.000 By the way, how do they respond when you criticize? 0.97
00:34:27.000 You're a Putin puppet.
00:34:29.000 They cannot have a conversation about any of these things.
00:34:33.000 And neoliberalism is built on weaponized name-calling.
00:34:37.000 Oh, well, you're a protectionist.
00:34:38.000 You're an isolationist.
00:34:40.000 Or you're a racist for not wanting to have mass migration.
00:34:44.000 And so we just kind of back off.
00:34:46.000 And when you have a political order that can fall apart as soon as the name-calling ceases, maybe those ideas are really bad.
00:34:54.000 And they're hurting a lot of people.
00:34:56.000 I'm sorry, Russell.
00:34:56.000 Wait, can I?
00:34:58.000 Just to add, Charlie is 100% correct.
00:35:01.000 The mildest of scrutiny, it collapses.
00:35:04.000 You ask him a basic question.
00:35:06.000 Listen, I don't need the... I am not the chief of staff.
00:35:11.000 You know, I'm not the head of military operations at the Pentagon for special forces.
00:35:15.000 I don't need to know surgical strikes.
00:35:17.000 I'm just asking you a basic question.
00:35:19.000 Okay, what does victory look like in Ukraine?
00:35:21.000 Are we taking back Crimea?
00:35:23.000 I'm not really sure.
00:35:24.000 But what happens if we do and Putin launches a tactical nuke because then his power is threatened and he's a maniac and he's not going to leave power without sending a message by dropping a tactical nuke first.
00:35:35.000 And then they go, is that victory now?
00:35:37.000 Because then there's no Crimea because the nuclear war breaks out. 1.00
00:35:40.000 And then they look at you and go, shit, man, I never really thought about that. 0.99
00:35:42.000 Well, maybe you should, bro, before we get more people killed and send a hundred billion more dollars. 1.00
00:35:49.000 I mean, can you imagine?
00:35:51.000 Let's make the simplest analogy.
00:35:53.000 You get a script for a movie.
00:35:54.000 They're like, Russell, we have the greatest script ever.
00:35:57.000 Your comedy skills are so amazingly suited for this.
00:36:00.000 And the script is blank.
00:36:01.000 And you're like, well, how am I supposed... Is this a joke?
00:36:05.000 No, no, we'll get it to you later.
00:36:06.000 Like, no, no, bro.
00:36:07.000 I'm not signing a contract with a blank script.
00:36:09.000 That's what they want us to do.
00:36:11.000 Charlie is so right.
00:36:12.000 You ask basic questions.
00:36:13.000 Basic questions, Russell.
00:36:15.000 There's no answer.
00:36:17.000 Don't nearly call me Russia, because I have been called... I've already been called a Putin apologist.
00:36:21.000 We've all been called.
00:36:22.000 They made a little video about me saying it was an in-Ukrainian, I hasten to add.
00:36:28.000 But what do you think is indicated by that lack of a script and by the lack of an inability to outline a clear agenda?
00:36:34.000 What is revealed by this inability in your view, Dan?
00:36:38.000 This is what... If you ever go to business school, they do SWOT analysis.
00:36:43.000 Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats.
00:36:45.000 Modern American politics has solely become about not, you know, weaponizing the ability to take advantage of opportunities to make America great.
00:36:54.000 It is shifted almost fully into, let's just mitigate a threat and stay alive.
00:37:01.000 So, in relationship to wars in Ukraine, I can almost guarantee you, swampy Republicans, because it's a bipartisan shitshow what's going on, and weak Democrats said, well, we don't want to look weak by having Putin invade Ukraine because it's going to politically hurt me, so let's just marginally do something, whether it works or not, and let's just ride it out to the next election.
00:37:24.000 Never attribute to incompetence what you can attribute in politics, to sheer malice.
00:37:30.000 They just want to stay alive.
00:37:32.000 It is about mitigating threats to power.
00:37:34.000 It's not about actually advancing a cause, because they can't tell you what the cause is.
00:37:39.000 Charlie just said it.
00:37:40.000 They don't even have a basic idea.
00:37:41.000 And because they can't admit what the actual cause is.
00:37:43.000 So, I mean, I saw Lindsey Graham here. 0.85
00:37:45.000 I asked, how many Ukrainians have died in the war?
00:37:46.000 He can't tell you.
00:37:47.000 And think about how sick and evil that is. He's the number one cheerleader for Ukrainians to get money, 1.00
00:37:51.000 and he can't tell you how many Ukrainians have died. Like I said, can you give me a ballpark?
00:37:55.000 10,000, 100,000, 150,000. He's like, I'll have to get, you know, he's like, you know,
00:37:58.000 staff came in and just like, I didn't film it because I'm not there for sensationalism. I'm
00:38:02.000 not here to, I'm just like, I'm actually interested in a policy question from somebody who like,
00:38:06.000 kind of, just no idea. So I'm not, okay, fine. So, but then, and by the way, I got that from
00:38:12.000 Tucker who goes around and ask that question to everybody.
00:38:14.000 But we must understand that after the wall fell, it all goes back to the wall, we had a decision, which is, are we now going to keep this NATO project alive, and what is the reason for NATO?
00:38:25.000 And Russia wanted to join NATO.
00:38:27.000 Repeatedly wanted to join NATO, and just end this chapter, and we don't have to have this Russian bear adversary. 1.00
00:38:34.000 But NATO is the GAE, the gay, which is the Great American Empire. 1.00
00:38:40.000 And that is why when NATO was in town, it was in America, it's as if this is the neoliberal project is housed within NATO.
00:38:48.000 And so when Putin invaded Ukraine, first of all, he was provoked to invade, provoked by Kamala Harris going to the Munich Security Conference and saying that Ukraine should become a member of NATO, and we have all this weapons and all this armament on the border.
00:39:04.000 What American liberals saw is that they saw a questioning of the outer edges of their empire.
00:39:09.000 Because we as Americans are much closer to mercantilism than we are to anything else, which is we're not actually a nation.
00:39:19.000 We are a deteriorating homeland with outer edges colonies and an oligarchy that makes a bunch of money off of the underclass. 0.80
00:39:25.000 And permanent war is the oxygen of the oligarchy.
00:39:29.000 What's terrifying to me, both of you, and obviously I want to hear your perspective on this, is that if we were living through a period of de-dollarization, where America's economic power is indeed under collapse, then how will they be able to resist, even with this presumed mandate in post-November, The ongoing struggles that are presented by the potential threat of a rise of China or the rise of Russia, if indeed what is playing out really on a geopolitical level is the threat of the BRICS currency and what is the emergence of genuine threats from China and Russia, do you see that under this administration, on the geopolitical level, to go right from the micro of the anguish and agony of losing a family member in war
00:40:15.000 to the vast potential for the apocalypse, which I think many people are terrified could become a reality under the Biden administration, were it to be granted time to administer it.
00:40:26.000 How do you think that those kind of problems are diffused?
00:40:30.000 Or do you not consider them to be problems that can't be resolved diplomatically, both of you?
00:40:35.000 It's going to take work.
00:40:37.000 You're not going to reverse 40 years of neoliberalism overnight.
00:40:42.000 But President Trump He has a mandate, hopefully, from the American people coming in November, which is that we're not going to have any more of these adventurous wars.
00:40:51.000 We're going to put the American worker first. 1.00
00:40:53.000 And we still hold all the cards.
00:40:54.000 Here's the thing.
00:40:55.000 BRICS is this fake thing. 0.99
00:40:57.000 America is still by far the strongest country.
00:41:00.000 I have a good friend here in the audience.
00:41:01.000 I just stepped out.
00:41:02.000 He's like the king of American energy.
00:41:04.000 Harold Hamm.
00:41:04.000 Great American, by the way.
00:41:05.000 One of the most valuable and largest American energy companies.
00:41:09.000 We have Two neighbors that are not going to win.
00:41:13.000 Well, we are being invaded.
00:41:14.000 But we have largely friendly neighbors.
00:41:16.000 We have an incredible population.
00:41:18.000 It just takes leadership to reverse it.
00:41:20.000 And China has a lot of looming problems.
00:41:22.000 So does Russia. 0.79
00:41:24.000 And I don't see it to be an issue at all if President Trump's able to win.
00:41:27.000 Now before I turn to you on this matter, Dan, this is of course, due to my participation, a transatlantic conversation.
00:41:35.000 And you may have friends in the audience, and I have have former adversary, and now newly elected Member of Parliament for Clacton-on-Sea, Nigel Farage, leader of the Reform Party.
00:41:52.000 Nigel, thank you so much for joining us for this conversation.
00:41:55.000 I can see you know Dan, and I presume you know dear Charlie Kirk as well.
00:42:00.000 I wonder, just to acknowledge your arrival here, we've not met in person for a very long time, and last time we did it was in a similar panel environment, the barbed remarks were flung around wildly, but since then it appears that via the discourse around anti-establishmentism, Nigel and I have found common ground.
00:42:20.000 Just listening, Nigel, just to get you up to speed what we've been talking about.
00:42:22.000 We've been talking about how the Republican Party now is truly the anti-war party.
00:42:27.000 That both Dan and Charlie are optimistic that a Vance-Trump partnership in the White House will mean an end to Middle Eastern war.
00:42:36.000 An end to the Ukraine-Russia war.
00:42:37.000 Now you were attacked for saying, as you did as a member of the European Parliament, that Putin was being provoked.
00:42:44.000 You didn't try to mitigate Putin's own malevolence.
00:42:47.000 That's simply not your job.
00:42:49.000 I wonder what you feel on the most vast of stages, the global one, the ascent of Trump and Vance will mean for the most important of geopolitical issues, war.
00:42:59.000 Yeah, Russell, it's lovely to see you.
00:43:01.000 Thank you.
00:43:01.000 Without you abusing me, it's really rather lovely.
00:43:03.000 Well, hold on.
00:43:03.000 No, I'm joking.
00:43:04.000 No, it's not.
00:43:14.000 long time ago and it's water under the bridge, it really is.
00:43:20.000 My sin was I stood up in the European Parliament in 2014 and said there will be a war in Ukraine
00:43:29.000 and they hated me for saying it.
00:43:31.000 And they hated me even more for being right about it.
00:43:34.000 You know what?
00:43:35.000 The causal factors of this...
00:43:37.000 It's historic.
00:43:38.000 It goes back to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
00:43:40.000 There were many educated people here in the State Department, major figures like Henry Kissinger saying, understand what Russia is.
00:43:48.000 Understand what Napoleon did to Russia.
00:43:50.000 Understand what Hitler did to Russia.
00:43:51.000 Understand there is a paranoia in Russia and that Putin's a dictatorial figure and what you don't do with a Russian bear is deliberately poke it with a stick, right?
00:44:01.000 But that's history.
00:44:02.000 We are now where we are.
00:44:04.000 One of the reasons I was attracted to Trump back in late 2015 was I'd seen a series of American presidents launching what seemed like endless wars with our government going along with all of them.
00:44:18.000 Often fought at enormous cost, not just to us, but to say the civilian population of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of people died there.
00:44:27.000 And I'm not a pacifist by any means, but I believe that peace comes Through strength and not through weakness.
00:44:34.000 And what Biden did, withdrawing those last 3,000 troops, the way in which he did it, from Kabul, sent a message to the world, to China, to Russia, that the West had given in.
00:44:47.000 The West had fallen to pieces.
00:44:49.000 And they even had reason to think that NATO was no longer viable.
00:44:52.000 Because, you think about it, Britain and America have stood side by side for over 100 years on virtually every single war.
00:44:59.000 And Biden did that.
00:45:01.000 Did that withdrawal without even telling us?
00:45:03.000 Yet we'd been with America, pro rata, we spent the same money, we lost the same number of troops, we're just a smaller country than you, but we'd been with you all the way.
00:45:11.000 Don't say in front of them, Nigel!
00:45:13.000 I'm over here working extremely hard!
00:45:15.000 Just prior to your arrival, we were talking about the ineptitude and the botched departure from Afghanistan, and we were just on the precipice of mentioning Julian Assange and his sort of rather simple yet seemingly accurate edict, But the function of government is to funnel public money into private hands via the endeavor of war, and never was that more clear than in the Afghanistan conflict.
00:45:40.000 And it seems apposite to mention his name as we attempt to tie up that particular part of our conversation.
00:45:46.000 But another of the areas that I hear all of you talk about is, of course, border security.
00:45:52.000 And the opponents, the many vocal and vociferous opponents that all of you, and indeed I have, on a variety of issues, but there's focus on this one.
00:45:59.000 What we are continually told is that with regard to the issue of migration, that there is a kind of a legacy of compassion that is owed to refugees.
00:46:07.000 And I've heard you say many times, Nigel, that legal immigration is necessary. 0.90
00:46:13.000 I just wonder what you think is the reason that your political opponents continue to advocate for
00:46:21.000 migration both legal and otherwise, although you've significantly reframed and moved that
00:46:25.000 argument in our country for sure.
00:46:27.000 I wonder how you regard the use of compassion as the undergirding for that argument,
00:46:33.000 given that we have seen so much malevolence in the subject of war, so much ineptitude during Covid,
00:46:38.000 such a lack of compassion elsewhere within the neoliberal establishment. Do you feel like you've
00:46:42.000 been proven right on this issue?
00:46:43.000 But in particular, would you focus on the aspect of compassion when it comes to migration?
00:46:47.000 I'll start with you, Nigel, because you know your time is limited here.
00:46:50.000 It's not compassionate to people who've legally come to America or Britain, been through the
00:46:56.000 process, spent their money, obeyed the law, got their citizenship. It's not compassionate 0.73
00:47:00.000 to them for someone to walk straight across a border or come on a small boat across the
00:47:04.000 sea and get benefits and get put up in hotels. That's not compassionate. It's actually completely
00:47:09.000 unfair and it's not compassionate to impose upon communities, young men, because that's 1.00
00:47:16.000 what it is.
00:47:17.000 You don't see women and children, or very few of them.
00:47:19.000 It's young men who come from totally different cultures, who are not assimilating, not treating women in a way that we would think to be reasonable and fair. 0.99
00:47:28.000 In many cases, coming from organized crime groups, going straight into drug farms, whatever it is.
00:47:35.000 This isn't about compassion, it's about common sense.
00:47:37.000 And common sense says, and Reagan said it 40 years ago, Unless you control your borders, you're not a proper country.
00:47:44.000 That's what it comes down to.
00:47:45.000 Yeah, and my perspective from the States, I'm an immigration restrictionist.
00:47:49.000 It's not just the southern border, it's our legal problem as well.
00:47:52.000 We have too many legal immigrants coming into America. 1.00
00:47:55.000 And this is something, this is the third rail of American politics, but when you have... Elon Omar is a legal immigrant to the United States.
00:48:03.000 Has Elon Omar enriched the United States of America?
00:48:06.000 She hates this country.
00:48:06.000 No.
00:48:07.000 She's an ingrate. 1.00
00:48:08.000 So it's not just that we have a southern border problem, which obviously they're trying to replace the American population for political purposes, but we have a legal immigration problem that we keep on bringing people that do not share our values. 0.98
00:48:20.000 And J.D.
00:48:20.000 Vance said it politely and correctly last night in a way I've never heard it framed.
00:48:25.000 If you are a newcomer, you come on our terms. 1.00
00:48:29.000 And that means when we want you.
00:48:30.000 Some of the greatest times of American prosperity are when we had the lowest levels of legal immigration.
00:48:37.000 1950s and early 1960s.
00:48:38.000 No one talks about it.
00:48:38.000 It was like 50,000 people a year.
00:48:40.000 Right now we have 1.3 million legal immigrants a year, and we have anywhere between 3 to 4 million people trespassing on the border, coming in and illegally occupying themselves and domiciling themselves.
00:48:51.000 So a government exists to protect its citizens, because we're a country, not a colony, and if we are a country, then your immigration policy should be always be asking, is it helping the citizens of our country, or is it hurting them?
00:49:04.000 And when American workers, for example, I represent young people and I was just speaking
00:49:09.000 at University of Washington, Seattle in May, and they're all going to, you know, the huge
00:49:13.000 computer science department and they say, yeah, we have to compete against foreign-born
00:49:17.000 Indian workers for tech jobs at Microsoft.
00:49:20.000 I think that's insane.
00:49:21.000 Like, why would we go bring in a bunch of foreigners to go compete against our own Americans 1.00
00:49:24.000 that we educated, that we have a moral obligation to?
00:49:27.000 And it comes down to a question of the social contract, which is breaking down.
00:49:31.000 The social contract no longer exists.
00:49:33.000 Why?
00:49:34.000 Because people want mass migration for political purposes.
00:49:37.000 Others want them for corporate profits, when in reality it is the American citizen that
00:49:41.000 is not prioritized.
00:49:42.000 It seems impossible and unwise for me to decouple the issue of migration from other threats to national sovereignty.
00:49:48.000 Your argument about borders seems apposite.
00:49:51.000 Clear, and I appreciate and understand it.
00:49:53.000 But what sense is there in protecting borders when it comes to the subject of immigration if the nation is not economically protected from forms of globalism and corporatism that are less easy to identify but similarly present a drain on the country?
00:50:07.000 We'd spoke before your arrival, Nigel, about the urgent requirement for America and I presume you would see this similarly The United Kingdom to be extricated from foreign wars.
00:50:16.000 But what do you think too about the influence of global corporatism on domestic politics in our country and in this one because we focus so much certainly in this environment on bureaucracy and entrenched bureaucracies and the corruption of an unelected deep state class running things.
00:50:30.000 But because I know that you know a great deal about international commerce and finance, I wonder how you regard the insidious influence of financial power that is non-domestic on, for example, British politics.
00:50:43.000 Well, it's the unholy trinity, isn't it, of big banks, big business, and big politics.
00:50:48.000 So the more you regulate an industry, the more it suits the multinational.
00:50:52.000 Because it makes it very, very difficult for small and medium-sized competitors to enter into the marketplace.
00:50:59.000 So big bureaucracy suits the multinationals, they love it.
00:51:02.000 And in our case, they don't even pay tax in the UK.
00:51:07.000 Their corporate profits are paid through Dublin or paid through somewhere else.
00:51:10.000 I think the effect of corporatism is it stifles new ideas, it stifles competition, it reduces choice in the marketplace.
00:51:20.000 I'm a capitalist.
00:51:22.000 And when you hear the left attacking capitalism, there isn't any capitalism.
00:51:25.000 We're living in corporatism.
00:51:27.000 And it gets harder and harder for the little guy, the little woman, that wants to run their own business and set up, they find themselves being crushed by regulation, crushed by taxes, and that's bad for the economy.
00:51:39.000 And the last time we saw real wealth creation Going from the bottom up.
00:51:44.000 Where the gap between the top and the bottom started to narrow was in the 1980s.
00:51:49.000 And in the vanguard of all of that were men and women going out, setting up their own businesses.
00:51:53.000 Reagan was a great advocate of it.
00:51:55.000 Thatcher was a great advocate of it.
00:51:56.000 And at the moment, nobody in politics understands small business, understands entrepreneurship,
00:52:01.000 and that's one of the things that I want to fight really hard for.
00:52:04.000 I believe that.
00:52:06.000 By the way, Pope John Paul as well was also a great advocate of economic freedom,
00:52:10.000 which we're kind of missing that now, which you've seen with our current pope,
00:52:13.000 who seems to be on the other side of the economic spectrum.
00:52:16.000 He's a Marxist first.
00:52:17.000 By the way, what an honour to meet you.
00:52:18.000 Congratulations.
00:52:20.000 Can I comment quickly on UK politics?
00:52:22.000 Please be cautious, David.
00:52:23.000 I know, I don't want to start a fire here.
00:52:28.000 I find it hilarious, at least, you know, the comical and dopey American media, them saying how, oh, you know, the left in the UK, no such thing happened.
00:52:36.000 Number one, they got less votes.
00:52:38.000 And secondly, they're now stealing our ideas.
00:52:41.000 Now, they're not going to implement them because they're phonies, but this is not a bunch of communists.
00:52:46.000 They ran stealing our ideas because Sunak and others threw truss under the bus and didn't do what they were going to do. 0.97
00:52:52.000 So any bullshit you're hearing in the American media, but the, oh gosh, look, the left. 0.99
00:52:56.000 Nonsense. 1.00
00:52:57.000 You got the seat.
00:52:58.000 Your party is now a power player. 1.00
00:53:00.000 That is total bullshit. 0.99
00:53:01.000 And a lot of it had to do, I think, this, this sense of populism that's gone on around the world, whether it's France, whether it's, you're seeing it now in the UK with Nigel's party, it has to do with the border issue, which you asked about before. 0.99
00:53:14.000 Russell, listen, you know, compassion without a plan is actually not only not compassion, it's the inverse.
00:53:21.000 It's immoral.
00:53:22.000 I'll give you an example, maybe it'll make sense.
00:53:24.000 You know, we've got to take care of people that are poor around the world.
00:53:26.000 Yes, we live in a world of scarce resources.
00:53:28.000 There's always going to be people who are poor, and people who are rich, and people in between.
00:53:33.000 I'm sorry that's the way the world was designed.
00:53:35.000 I'm not the creator.
00:53:36.000 That's the world we live in.
00:53:37.000 Everything's scarce.
00:53:38.000 Water, air, everything, okay?
00:53:40.000 We have to take care of our nation first.
00:53:42.000 Here's an example for you.
00:53:43.000 Say you're, I'm Russell Brand, I'm compassionate.
00:53:45.000 You know, I want to build houses for the homeless.
00:53:48.000 Love you, Russell, that's such a great idea.
00:53:50.000 And then, you don't know anything about houses, but you're compassionate, you build a couple houses, the homeless gentleman moves in, the next day the house collapses and kills him.
00:53:58.000 It wasn't only unethical and not compassionate, it was downright immoral for you to do something you had no battle plan for.
00:54:04.000 Compassion with no battle plan is immoral.
00:54:07.000 It's not just not compassionate.
00:54:09.000 And it goes back to, again, Thomas Sowell's description of this conflict of visions.
00:54:14.000 You have a vision, Nigel, Charlie, and I have together on the conservatarian side, where our vision is this.
00:54:20.000 Man is inherently conflicted.
00:54:22.000 Men can be mercenary.
00:54:24.000 There's an evil in the world that'll never be purged.
00:54:26.000 Your only goal as a governing system in the government you're thankfully now a part of is to control the latent evil that exists in men.
00:54:34.000 Your goal is not to make my life better. 0.95
00:54:36.000 Your goal is to get the fuck out of my way and let me make my own life better. 0.99
00:54:41.000 You don't know shit about me. 0.99
00:54:43.000 You don't know anything about my business. 0.99
00:54:45.000 You don't know anything about my health condition, about the educational goals I have for my kid.
00:54:50.000 Get out of my way! 1.00
00:54:51.000 Give me police services, give me a decent, strong military, a court system, and please, God, I don't use names in vain, get the fuck out of my way! 0.99
00:55:02.000 I don't want you to do shit for me! 1.00
00:55:04.000 Shut the fuck up! 1.00
00:55:05.000 And go there and do nothing! 1.00
00:55:07.000 Am I allowed to curse on your show?
00:55:10.000 Sorry, I'm not.
00:55:12.000 But we need a little more clarity on what your perspective is on this subject.
00:55:17.000 You're being too vague.
00:55:18.000 I'm sorry.
00:55:18.000 What I want to say is in a sense you have perfectly articulated the new cartilage that's emerging in the anti-establishment space because you touched for a moment on a variety of issues and you did some rather wonderful cursing.
00:55:30.000 We all applaud that.
00:55:32.000 Nigel and I in the past have been in positions, adversarial positions and perhaps one day we will again but you mentioned British politics and one thing that is important you question the nature of Keir Starmer's mandate and there are other questions yet about the nature of that mandate.
00:55:47.000 Keir Starmer, wouldn't it be wonderful if in opposition he had been the kind of opposition leader that said What's Julian Assange doing in Belmarsh?
00:55:55.000 If he'd been the kind of opposition leader that hadn't secretly met with the CIA, potentially to prolong and certainly not to expedite the release of Julian Assange.
00:56:04.000 And certainly it's curious that in Kyrstyna we have a leader that almost as one of his initial duties went to assure Zelensky that funding of the war will continue, that there will be no meaningful transition.
00:56:15.000 And it's precisely this kind of globalism That's meant that people that might customarily have been on the left like myself, and people that are customarily on the right like Nigel, now to a degree have a common opponent.
00:56:26.000 These kind of centralist, managerial, citizen management, bureaucrat class that don't seem to have a vision for peace.
00:56:35.000 Far less a vision for autonomy and democracy in a kind of get-the-fuck-out-of-my-way style, as articulated by Dan Bongino.
00:56:43.000 And I wonder if you've noticed that as well, Nigel, that this is an unusual time.
00:56:47.000 There is a rise of populism of various hues and varieties, and therefore I think the potential for different types of political alliances, both domestically and internationally, and now you obviously feel that internationally, you're here presumably to support Donald Trump in this Curious, extraordinary moment.
00:57:02.000 What do you think about the emergence of similar alliances, based on what Dan Bongino has just said, that so many of us just want the government to get the fuck out of the way because we don't trust them? 0.74
00:57:11.000 Excuse my language. 0.59
00:57:12.000 I mean, yeah, I'll resist.
00:57:13.000 I will resist the language, if you'll allow me. 1.00
00:57:20.000 I would never think of myself as reserved, but yeah, you know what?
00:57:25.000 Government getting out of the way was my point about small business.
00:57:29.000 That they are regulated to a level where many people say, just what is the point of doing this?
00:57:34.000 The same goes for tax systems, where we in the UK now see a brain drain.
00:57:39.000 First time in 40 years that young, bright people are leaving the country because the tax burden is getting worse.
00:57:44.000 They're saying, you know, marginal tax rates of 63% now on the last portion of income.
00:57:49.000 People say, what's the point of being here?
00:57:51.000 But the new politics is, if you earn between £100,000 and £120,000, you're paying 63% tax.
00:57:55.000 The government literally owns a majority of you.
00:57:58.000 It's just a disaster.
00:58:00.000 But on the changing politics, that speech of JD Vance's last night, you could have given that speech in South Wales.
00:58:07.000 Where the steelworks are all closing, the production is going to India and China, and we're saying, aren't we great?
00:58:13.000 We've cut carbon dioxide emissions.
00:58:15.000 No, we haven't.
00:58:16.000 The same steel gets produced now in India and China and then shipped back to us.
00:58:22.000 And when you listen to what JD said last night, that speech could appeal to 50% of Democrats in this country.
00:58:31.000 The old left-right divides that perhaps certainly I grew up with years ago are being blown out of the water.
00:58:38.000 This is a very different kind of politics.
00:58:41.000 This is a politics that says actually a lot of good, ordinary, decent folks are being really done over.
00:58:49.000 by the political system and the beneficiaries, this sort of upper middle class marzipan layer of people, not quite at the top but tucked in very securely, they're doing terribly well and they tend to run media and they tend to run politics, they tend to be executives in the global corporate organisations and they live in the middle of our big cities.
00:59:12.000 And that's the divide.
00:59:13.000 It is the metropolitan types against those that live in small-town Britain, small-town America.
00:59:19.000 That's the real divide, and even the class dynamic of politics has changed completely, where so much of the middle, middle-upper classes would have been naturally centre-right, now they've become liberal, and much of the working class that would have voted on the left are now feeling that actually their feelings of patriotism, their feelings about the way government's treating them, are pushing them to what we maybe see as the right.
00:59:42.000 That's the big shift, politically, that's going on.
00:59:44.000 Yeah, it seems extraordinary and media platforms such as this one are at the vanguard of that movement.
00:59:50.000 It seems to me, I've said this a couple of times in this conference but if you'll indulge me once more, Breitbart's famous saying that politics is downstream of culture could include the fact that all are downstream of technology and our ability to
01:00:05.000 communicate in this manner, to have conversations where it's possible to create possibly new consensus, new
01:00:12.000 alliances, seems to have contributed certainly to the ascent of this new Vance Trump Republicanism
01:00:17.000 movement. And I wonder what kind of permutations and expressions it might find
01:00:22.000 elsewhere, because it does seem indeed that there is a requirement for radical global
01:00:27.000 change. And I think that we're at the beginning of something quite exciting, precisely because of
01:00:32.000 the ability to have forums like this one, whilst I accept that it's obviously in a
01:00:36.000 Republican space.
01:00:37.000 It seems like though, have I got to do a live ad read?
01:00:40.000 The irony of it, Nigel, I'm being dragged by the throat into a commercial requirement.
01:00:45.000 As long as they're not too corporate, it's okay.
01:00:48.000 Well, it turns out that this is for the wellness company, and I'm reading it live.
01:00:54.000 Dan, will you please steward this?
01:00:55.000 Nigel, have we got you for a moment longer?
01:00:57.000 A moment longer.
01:00:58.000 Have you got to depart?
01:00:59.000 OK, this is for the contagion kit.
01:01:03.000 Do I have to do this right now?
01:01:04.000 Is this an important moment for us to do it?
01:01:06.000 During the Biden administration, you'll be aware, so this is a party political issue, Americans saw disinformation, which we're furious about, pandemic response disaster, Oh, and I've got to say this.
01:01:16.000 Left-wing takeover of our institutions.
01:01:18.000 Do you want to do that line, Nigel?
01:01:20.000 And decimation of our economy is a dire warning of events to come.
01:01:24.000 Okay, so this contagion kit from the wellness company means that you will have your own emergency kit in the event that you shall require one.
01:01:31.000 Though it seems, with the ascent of a new political class and possibly with decentralization, libertarianism and a new kind of Christian-informed anarchism, You may not require it with the same urgency, but go to TWCHEALTH.COM and get your Contagion Emergency Kit right now.
01:01:47.000 There's a link in the description for you to take advantage of this extraordinary offer.
01:01:52.000 Dan, when you express yourself that clearly, I'm not sure, Nigel, if as a fellow Englishman you're aware of the extraordinary power that Dan Bongino wields in this space.
01:02:02.000 Do you see that what's happening is...
01:02:05.000 Something that happened in our country I'm much more aware of is in the Brexit era, which of course you would have to say that you were the architect and imperture of, I noticed, and it sort of started to change my political perspective, that there was an ongoing contempt and disdain for ordinary British people.
01:02:22.000 I saw the people of the North, Spoken of derisorily. 1.00
01:02:25.000 The people of where I'm from, Essex, spoken of in a condemnatory way.
01:02:29.000 And I've noticed that this phenomena doesn't seem to be unique to the United Kingdom.
01:02:33.000 In this country, like I hear in Dan's ire, a kind of protection for ordinary working people.
01:02:38.000 Dan comes from an ordinary working family.
01:02:41.000 I wonder if you think that part of what's happening now is that there's a sort of an emergence of confidence and pride in those communities that have been abandoned by this professional marzipan class that you described.
01:02:54.000 Do you feel that there's a kind of a new robustness?
01:02:58.000 Yes, I do, and it's funny, isn't it?
01:02:59.000 I mean, if you say anything in the public space that can be construed to be homophobic or racist, you're out.
01:03:07.000 Even if it's not, but you're out.
01:03:09.000 You're cancelled.
01:03:10.000 But basically treat the entirety of the working class with total contempt, and that's absolutely fine. 1.00
01:03:16.000 Especially if they're white. 0.76
01:03:18.000 It makes it even better.
01:03:19.000 No problem at all.
01:03:20.000 The deplorables, right?
01:03:21.000 The famous deplorables.
01:03:21.000 This is the point I was going to make.
01:03:23.000 Clinton did it back in 2016.
01:03:25.000 She talked about the deplorables.
01:03:27.000 She felt no sense of guilt or shame in writing off huge numbers of Americans.
01:03:33.000 No, the real divide in society is snobbery.
01:03:37.000 Snobbery.
01:03:38.000 And now a lack of social mobility.
01:03:41.000 Far fewer people, Russell, from working class backgrounds, getting into media, even getting into the top ranks of politics, of sport.
01:03:49.000 There's a very big class divide.
01:03:51.000 And I do think, I do think that among many of those working class communities, there is a feeling that enough is enough.
01:03:59.000 At least for those who've still got ambition.
01:04:02.000 For many others, the welfare state in our country, and we're seeing it here now in America, the rapid growth of the welfare state, where people can be better off not working than they are working.
01:04:13.000 And that leads to a level of depression, it leads to a level of drug abuse, it leads to a level of, frankly, downward societal decay.
01:04:25.000 So we have to find ways of getting those on benefits back to work.
01:04:30.000 And we have to find ways of giving those working class communities, who've been so done down by de-industrialisation and everything else, we've got to find a way of giving them hope and optimism.
01:04:41.000 But are they ready for a new political message?
01:04:44.000 Are they ready for a new kind of leadership?
01:04:46.000 You bet your life they are.
01:04:47.000 And I think, you know, whatever his faults are, whether you like him or not, I do think Donald Trump represents some sense of hope for those communities.
01:04:55.000 And again, picking JD Vance, picking a Midwesterner, I think that was a very, very clever thing to do.
01:05:01.000 I think there's no question now after recent events that it seems that there is an unassailable ascent, an extraordinary optimism, and my prayer as a person who is somewhat outside of this, other than my contributions to this wonderful platform, is that this does augur the kind of optimism and the kind of change that all of us would like to see, the kind of individual freedom, community freedom, than the kind of responsibility derived liberty that's been
01:05:27.000 discussed and eloquently conveyed by all of you over the course of this conversation. And let's
01:05:30.000 not forget that it all took place on Rumble. Nigel, thank you for this impromptu opportunity to
01:05:34.000 speak and I hope we get more chances to speak because we share many things in common and
01:05:39.000 have a lot to talk about I hope and I pray. Dan, it was lovely to have this chance to speak with
01:05:44.000 you and to see you in full Dan Bongino life, fully swearing, fully libertarian, full of purity,
01:05:51.000 full of life. Charlie Kurtz, thank you.
01:05:52.000 The endless gifts of your commitment and devotion I'm most grateful for.
01:05:56.000 And for all of you, thank you for joining us.
01:05:58.000 We'll be back tomorrow with Benny Johnson.
01:06:01.000 Stay free back there.
01:06:02.000 We're back tomorrow, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.
01:06:05.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.
01:06:07.000 See you soon.
01:06:07.000 Take care.
01:06:17.000 Stay free!