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00:07:17.000Someone said that I was part of the Nephilim, which is the old giant people that used to Those giants, I think they carried, from what I've read in scripture, they carried on in a saucy way.
00:07:36.000Mate, how have you found this RNC so far and how do you manage the inevitable sort of sense that there are power games and power wrangles and sometimes the sense of the corruption that is tempting for partisan figures, which I figure that you are to a degree, to cast onto opponents but not easily acknowledge when it's happening within your own institution?
00:08:01.000Well look I mean right now we we see the party more unified than ever and I mean as far as You know, myself personally, just trying to stay sane in the midst of all of it.
00:08:10.000You know, it's really amazing, though, to see J.D.
00:08:12.000Vance become vice president last evening was a refutation of the Bush-Cheney warmongering nonsense.
00:08:37.000I mean, that is a recalibration, Russell.
00:08:39.000The likes of which that we could not have predicted, let alone five years ago.
00:08:43.000It is actually a recalibration that goes beyond the party politics of the Republican Party, in a sense a reframing of what the left and the liberal left sees itself as.
00:08:52.000There's no refuting at this point that the military-industrial-complex-dem party is the party of war.
00:08:58.000Nevertheless, I met JD Vance, albeit briefly, and I thought he seemed like a pretty spectacular guy.
00:10:34.000Albeit sometimes distracting, because you yourself are not devoid of incredible presence.
00:10:39.000And if I can just remind you of one thing that you said earlier today, obviously all of us now at this Republican convention are living in the immediate aftermath of this extraordinary historical event that will be unpacked perhaps for generations.
00:10:51.000And what was astonishing was to hear you when people in your audience, our audience, because to a degree we share an audience here as Rumble creators, who have a great appetite for conspiracy.
00:11:03.000And when there are as many anomalies as there evidently were in the events of Butler, there is an appetite for people to be told, this involves deep state conspiracy.
00:11:13.000And I thought the way that you handled that was extremely disciplined and elegant and involved a deployment of journalistic integrity that our collective many detractors would deny that you have.
00:11:25.000Could you just tell me once again, like, what your position on that was, Dan, when people are saying, all these anomalies, the ladder, the going around with a scanner and scoping the place out.
00:12:48.000And then they click and they realize you're full of shit.
00:12:51.000Your audience goes down and down and down.
00:12:54.000It is important, Russell, not to be first, but to be right.
00:12:58.000And I am only going to say stuff I can back up.
00:13:00.000And if I'm speculating, you will hear me say it.
00:13:03.000This is speculation based on said evidence, but I haven't drawn a conclusion.
00:13:08.000You're only going to get that on the right, not on the left.
00:13:10.000That is an incredible and important point.
00:13:12.000As the Republican movement transitions, presumably from opposition to power, there will be a new degree of rigor Required and many of the things that much of the proselytization, many of the projections and much of the conjecture will now have to be deployed in an administration and that kind of integrity that you're able to deploy as a journalist, as an outsider
00:13:37.000It's going to be important, isn't it, if this is presumably, Charlie, a movement now towards government.
00:13:43.000How do you think Trump will fare if, indeed, he becomes the ultimate authority in American politics?
00:13:51.000First, we have to keep him alive because his safety is not secure, in my personal opinion.
00:13:57.000We have no guarantees the Secret Service, in its current form or fashion, can actually protect his safety.
00:14:02.000And I say this, the Secret Service Director won't even talk to lawmakers, and so we have to keep him alive and J.D.
00:14:07.000Vance alive from now till November and even beyond that.
00:14:11.000And so, but yes, as far as governing goes, I mean, look, this is why the J.D.
00:14:16.000Vance pick is so important, is that back in 2016, there was a backdoor behind Trump for the intel agencies and for the deep state forces to be able to manipulate the government through Mike Pence and through other advisors around Donald Trump.
00:14:30.000Last night, you saw that Donald Trump's presidency will not have a backdoor to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Justice, against the wishes of Donald Trump.
00:14:39.000Vance is completely consistent with the worldview of Donald Trump.
00:14:42.000In fact, he is, I think, the most articulate spokesperson of that agenda, especially when it comes to ending these stupid endless wars, putting America first, and exploring American energy, restricting mass migration, and finally questioning some of these stupid trade deals.
00:14:58.000Mike Pence was much more of a neoliberal that was in that position.
00:15:19.000Mike Pence assembled a private rehearsal meeting the night before that Donald Trump was going to make the final decision with all of his, um, Secretary of Defense cabinet.
00:15:28.000At the time it was Mad Dog Mattis and he had Rex Tillerson and Mike Pence had assembled the entire team and they, he said, I'll play Donald Trump.
00:15:36.000Let's rehearse how this meeting is going to go.
00:15:46.000So Trump walks into this meeting with his cabinet, having everyone there rehearsed of move A, move B, move C, move D.
00:15:54.000I'm very disappointed in particular at Mad Dog Malice, who with a name like that, you'd think you'd be able to rely on.
00:16:00.000Now, what about, like, hey, Dan, you know that clip that's going around everywhere of Chuck Schumer saying, if you transgress against the deep state... Six ways to Sunday.
00:16:40.000Don't start any conspiracy theories on this show.
00:16:43.000We're here only for evidence-based information.
00:16:47.000Even though you've said what you said, presumably about an ongoing fealty to the men and women that serve in the services with which you have long been associated, that you don't want to involve in conjecture, that is dispiriting, harmful and And plainly untrue for people that dedicate their lives to what they believe in.
00:17:05.000What do you feel it means when someone like Chuck Schumer says, if you mess with a deep state, as Charlie remembered, as he probably does everything that's been said in this conversation, probably if we dropped a box of matches, Charlie would know how many there were on the floor without counting them.
00:17:22.000I wonder what you think about the Chuck Schumer thing.
00:17:25.000And is this, when people talk about the deep state and the power of the deep state, and when Trump said the first time around, drain the swamp, do you think that in invective like that, there is a real fear in that?
00:17:38.000Is this something you can speculate on without transgressing the views that you articulated so well earlier?
00:17:43.000Yeah, having worked in the Secret Service, we were never gatherers of intelligence.
00:17:57.000He's going to say, hey, keep your distance.
00:17:58.000I don't want you hearing my conversations.
00:18:00.000But what we do is we consume intelligence.
00:18:02.000Because if I am protecting Charlie or Russell or whatever, I'm going to get the CIA and others to give us a brief and say, hey, I can't say this publicly, but here's what's happening with Russell, the threat level behind the scenes.
00:18:12.000So being a 12-year consumer of the highest levels of intelligence, yes, the deep state is real.
00:18:58.000A versus B. One side wanted one thing, one side wanted the other thing.
00:19:02.000So what they did is a bunch of non-governmental organizations on the ground went and hired former bureaucrats and former politicians who were old members of the state.
00:19:11.000That's why I don't like the term Deep State.
00:19:12.000I call it, you know, it's more like the blob, like Benz calls it, because they're not all state actors.
00:19:18.000And what they'll do is, these are people who have contacts in the state and use them and leverage them, but are on the outside getting paid so they have none of the accountability.
00:19:26.000So Russell, the deep state, you have the worst of both worlds.
00:19:29.000You have people with connections inside the government to make your life, your life, and my life miserable, but they have none of the, in fact, accountability where we can get them fired because they did something outside of their governmental role.
00:19:40.000That's really what the deep state is, and Ben just gloriously explains it in every video.
00:19:49.000The manner in which he's able to reference accurate data and portray the kind of corruption and kind of an international level of dread is an ability that's almost comparable to yours, Charlie, as a receptacle of information, holding it all together.
00:20:05.000One of the things you were saying just before Dan graced us with his incredible presence, Still basking in somewhat, was that the Republican Party is more united than it's ever been.
00:20:16.000So there are no obstacles, you know, outside of the kind of nefarious things to which have been alluded and have recently been experienced to the assent of Donald Trump.
00:20:26.000How do you imagine this time around the ascendant political power of Trump will contend with the kind of state power, deep state power, blob power, I'll use whatever term you want, once in office?
00:20:40.000Yeah, so the second term is going to be a lot different than the first.
00:20:43.000First of all, personnel is policy and there are some really great people that are going to be going into this government.
00:20:48.000Vance is going to be a keeping the eyes on the federal government every single day when President Trump might be ...handling higher level type of diplomatic issues.
00:20:57.000Look, President Trump's agenda day one is going to be securing the border, ending the war in Ukraine, ending the war in Gaza, and making sure that we have our commitment to Israel.
00:21:07.000Under the current though, we need to build a government, put cabinet secretaries in,
00:21:11.000and also we have a looming list of like 50 or 60 immediate reforms and firings that need to happen.
00:21:17.000There's a reform called Schedule F that allows you to fire federal employees at will, but there's
00:21:22.000also a 1960s-era act that allows the President of the United States, it's the President Reassignment Act.
00:21:28.000I'm getting the name wrong, but it's something of that sort that essentially allows, if there's duplication in government, the president can merge agencies or officials together.
00:21:39.000So, for example, if there is duplicative type of work happening in the federal government, in the Department of Education and also maybe in the Department of Interior or Department of Interior, Department of Energy, you can then merge government agencies together and effectively sunset and end
00:22:36.000And we need you to join us there, because, well, Dan, who knows what further illuminations await us from that direction.
00:22:42.000Charlie could be turning verbal pirouettes at any moment now.
00:22:45.000And I get the sense that there's information that these two men are not willing to tell me while we're still on a platform like YouTube that regulates in the manner that it does.
00:22:53.000He's a member of the TNI and is ultimately part of the systems that constrain our freedom.
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00:25:03.000Listen, as a content creator, Russell, here's my biggest fear.
00:25:08.000My shows are live, every day, four hours a day.
00:25:12.000I'm proudest of the fact, you know, knock on wood or whatever, that despite having a Fox show, a radio show, and a TV show, I can tell you with a straight face, I'm yet to have gotten caught on the air.
00:25:22.000Where someone says something, I go, you know what?
00:26:22.000You know, that kind of dedication and devotion that you had in your previous incarnation as working for the security services, do you feel that level of devotion and dedication as a Rumble creator?
00:26:31.000Is it something that you obsess about, making sure that you have the accurate information, the correct information, and the information available immediately?
00:26:39.000Is it something you're very devoted to?
00:26:41.000You know, I think I get it from my father.
00:26:43.000You know, obviously we're, yeah, I'm not getting into social psychology, but we're all social models, right?
00:27:26.000But he got there at, I think, 4.35 because it was important to him that everybody knew he was the first guy into work and that he was... He didn't knock anyone else for showing up on time.
00:27:35.000He wasn't like, hey, you should be here at 4.
00:28:09.000What you guys do is real, and I respect that.
00:28:12.000And if you're going to give me a fake job like this, where I talk for a living, then you're damn right I'm going to do the damn thing, the right freaking way, and not talk a bunch of bullshit.
00:28:26.000That's a pretty beautiful set of values.
00:28:28.000I wonder how those values and the constituency that Dan is speaking to and for have over the last 20 years somehow been so casually demonised and condemned.
00:28:40.000I saw it in my country in Brexit and certainly the rise of the MAGA movement has been accompanied with condemnation of an entire class of people as racist and various forms of attack.
00:28:51.000How did America turn on its inhabitants, Charlie, by your reckoning so insidiously and cruelly?
00:28:57.000And how did they get away with it, continually framing themselves as the protectors of the vulnerable?
00:29:01.000Yeah, after the wall fell and we declared victory over the Cold War, the ruling class of this country decided to care much more about Corporate profits and their own enrichment and the welfare of the American citizenry.
00:29:13.000And they got away with it for the first 15 years because we were living on the multi-decade inheritance of winning World War II.
00:29:21.000And so they decided to open up markets to liberalize everything.
00:29:24.000We literally had the book by Francis Fukuyama where he said it's the end of history.
00:29:33.000Liberalism will take over the entire world.
00:29:36.000you know, the whole idea of dictatorship or oligarchy or conservative rule is over, and
00:29:43.000liberalism is the best way of ruling ever, and it will just spread with any sort of restraints.
00:29:49.000And that was a lie. And it was a lie because they made a series of, again, what was on
00:29:54.000full display here at the RNC is a refutation of that devil's bargain that occurred in the
00:29:59.000late 80s and early 90s, which is neoliberalism is built on invade the world, invite the world,
00:30:05.000and import a bunch of cheap stuff at the expense of your own citizens.
00:30:08.000And we've lived through the excesses of that because our leaders, the last 20 years especially, have contempt for the people that they are tasked to govern.
00:30:17.000It's pretty extraordinary that those military endeavours are no longer supported automatically and reflexively by the kind of people that you described.
00:30:26.000Now, those people have become cynical, full of doubt.
00:30:30.000The idea, as Charlie described earlier, Dan, that presumably Trump and Vance will ascend into power on an anti-war mandate, that, as Charlie said earlier, is an incredible recalibration.
00:30:41.000How has this How has this change in temperature been achieved?
00:30:46.000How has it happened that the Republican Party movement now is the party of anti-war?
00:30:51.000And what do you imagine is going to happen?
00:30:53.000Where is all of that power, all of that lobbying clout, all of that manipulation going to go
00:30:58.000once they no longer have the pathways that were available to them?
00:31:20.000My position on this, though, I've actually run for office at last, but you can go back and watch my campaign commercials and everything else.
00:31:27.000I've been consistently anti-foreign intervention when there's no actual game plan.
00:31:32.000I was against the Iraq war, Afghanistan, there were portions of it we had to do after 9-11, but I certainly did not support a long-term footprint.
00:31:40.000And I'm going to tell you something that changed me, and I'm trying not to get all choked up, and I'm trying not to be a wussbag, but you know what?
00:31:47.000My uncle served in Vietnam, a war where the message, at a minimum, was confusing to people.
00:31:53.000They didn't understand what we were doing.
00:31:55.000I'm not saying that... I'm just saying the message to the American people was off, okay?
00:33:02.000He was shot in the back in Thu Duc, Vietnam, saving his friend.
00:33:05.000He was given the bronze star with a V cluster.
00:33:07.000My grandmother was never, ever the same.
00:33:11.000My grandmother died, you know, 40 years, 50 years later, she could never, ever have the name Greg mentioned in front of her without breaking down.
00:33:23.000The human condition is something not easily simplified by one-page narratives in a book.
00:33:28.000However, if I, as a political leader running for office when I did, I'm not anymore, am going to commit your son into combat, or daughter, and they're going to come back in some freaking body bag, then I better damn well have some kind of game plan as to why they died.
00:33:43.000And I think the Republican Party has always been the party, at least on the economic front, of results.
00:33:48.000And I think we just applied the same guiding ethos to war.
00:35:24.000But what happens if we do and Putin launches a tactical nuke because then his power is threatened and he's a maniac and he's not going to leave power without sending a message by dropping a tactical nuke first.
00:35:35.000And then they go, is that victory now?
00:35:37.000Because then there's no Crimea because the nuclear war breaks out.
00:35:40.000And then they look at you and go, shit, man, I never really thought about that.
00:35:42.000Well, maybe you should, bro, before we get more people killed and send a hundred billion more dollars.
00:36:45.000Modern American politics has solely become about not, you know, weaponizing the ability to take advantage of opportunities to make America great.
00:36:54.000It is shifted almost fully into, let's just mitigate a threat and stay alive.
00:37:01.000So, in relationship to wars in Ukraine, I can almost guarantee you, swampy Republicans, because it's a bipartisan shitshow what's going on, and weak Democrats said, well, we don't want to look weak by having Putin invade Ukraine because it's going to politically hurt me, so let's just marginally do something, whether it works or not, and let's just ride it out to the next election.
00:37:24.000Never attribute to incompetence what you can attribute in politics, to sheer malice.
00:37:47.000And think about how sick and evil that is. He's the number one cheerleader for Ukrainians to get money,
00:37:51.000and he can't tell you how many Ukrainians have died. Like I said, can you give me a ballpark?
00:37:55.00010,000, 100,000, 150,000. He's like, I'll have to get, you know, he's like, you know,
00:37:58.000staff came in and just like, I didn't film it because I'm not there for sensationalism. I'm
00:38:02.000not here to, I'm just like, I'm actually interested in a policy question from somebody who like,
00:38:06.000kind of, just no idea. So I'm not, okay, fine. So, but then, and by the way, I got that from
00:38:12.000Tucker who goes around and ask that question to everybody.
00:38:14.000But we must understand that after the wall fell, it all goes back to the wall, we had a decision, which is, are we now going to keep this NATO project alive, and what is the reason for NATO?
00:38:27.000Repeatedly wanted to join NATO, and just end this chapter, and we don't have to have this Russian bear adversary.
00:38:34.000But NATO is the GAE, the gay, which is the Great American Empire.
00:38:40.000And that is why when NATO was in town, it was in America, it's as if this is the neoliberal project is housed within NATO.
00:38:48.000And so when Putin invaded Ukraine, first of all, he was provoked to invade, provoked by Kamala Harris going to the Munich Security Conference and saying that Ukraine should become a member of NATO, and we have all this weapons and all this armament on the border.
00:39:04.000What American liberals saw is that they saw a questioning of the outer edges of their empire.
00:39:09.000Because we as Americans are much closer to mercantilism than we are to anything else, which is we're not actually a nation.
00:39:19.000We are a deteriorating homeland with outer edges colonies and an oligarchy that makes a bunch of money off of the underclass.
00:39:25.000And permanent war is the oxygen of the oligarchy.
00:39:29.000What's terrifying to me, both of you, and obviously I want to hear your perspective on this, is that if we were living through a period of de-dollarization, where America's economic power is indeed under collapse, then how will they be able to resist, even with this presumed mandate in post-November, The ongoing struggles that are presented by the potential threat of a rise of China or the rise of Russia, if indeed what is playing out really on a geopolitical level is the threat of the BRICS currency and what is the emergence of genuine threats from China and Russia, do you see that under this administration, on the geopolitical level, to go right from the micro of the anguish and agony of losing a family member in war
00:40:15.000to the vast potential for the apocalypse, which I think many people are terrified could become a reality under the Biden administration, were it to be granted time to administer it.
00:40:26.000How do you think that those kind of problems are diffused?
00:40:30.000Or do you not consider them to be problems that can't be resolved diplomatically, both of you?
00:40:37.000You're not going to reverse 40 years of neoliberalism overnight.
00:40:42.000But President Trump He has a mandate, hopefully, from the American people coming in November, which is that we're not going to have any more of these adventurous wars.
00:40:51.000We're going to put the American worker first.
00:41:24.000And I don't see it to be an issue at all if President Trump's able to win.
00:41:27.000Now before I turn to you on this matter, Dan, this is of course, due to my participation, a transatlantic conversation.
00:41:35.000And you may have friends in the audience, and I have have former adversary, and now newly elected Member of Parliament for Clacton-on-Sea, Nigel Farage, leader of the Reform Party.
00:41:52.000Nigel, thank you so much for joining us for this conversation.
00:41:55.000I can see you know Dan, and I presume you know dear Charlie Kirk as well.
00:42:00.000I wonder, just to acknowledge your arrival here, we've not met in person for a very long time, and last time we did it was in a similar panel environment, the barbed remarks were flung around wildly, but since then it appears that via the discourse around anti-establishmentism, Nigel and I have found common ground.
00:42:20.000Just listening, Nigel, just to get you up to speed what we've been talking about.
00:42:22.000We've been talking about how the Republican Party now is truly the anti-war party.
00:42:27.000That both Dan and Charlie are optimistic that a Vance-Trump partnership in the White House will mean an end to Middle Eastern war.
00:42:49.000I wonder what you feel on the most vast of stages, the global one, the ascent of Trump and Vance will mean for the most important of geopolitical issues, war.
00:42:59.000Yeah, Russell, it's lovely to see you.
00:43:51.000Understand there is a paranoia in Russia and that Putin's a dictatorial figure and what you don't do with a Russian bear is deliberately poke it with a stick, right?
00:44:04.000One of the reasons I was attracted to Trump back in late 2015 was I'd seen a series of American presidents launching what seemed like endless wars with our government going along with all of them.
00:44:18.000Often fought at enormous cost, not just to us, but to say the civilian population of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of people died there.
00:44:27.000And I'm not a pacifist by any means, but I believe that peace comes Through strength and not through weakness.
00:44:34.000And what Biden did, withdrawing those last 3,000 troops, the way in which he did it, from Kabul, sent a message to the world, to China, to Russia, that the West had given in.
00:45:01.000Did that withdrawal without even telling us?
00:45:03.000Yet we'd been with America, pro rata, we spent the same money, we lost the same number of troops, we're just a smaller country than you, but we'd been with you all the way.
00:45:15.000Just prior to your arrival, we were talking about the ineptitude and the botched departure from Afghanistan, and we were just on the precipice of mentioning Julian Assange and his sort of rather simple yet seemingly accurate edict, But the function of government is to funnel public money into private hands via the endeavor of war, and never was that more clear than in the Afghanistan conflict.
00:45:40.000And it seems apposite to mention his name as we attempt to tie up that particular part of our conversation.
00:45:46.000But another of the areas that I hear all of you talk about is, of course, border security.
00:45:52.000And the opponents, the many vocal and vociferous opponents that all of you, and indeed I have, on a variety of issues, but there's focus on this one.
00:45:59.000What we are continually told is that with regard to the issue of migration, that there is a kind of a legacy of compassion that is owed to refugees.
00:46:07.000And I've heard you say many times, Nigel, that legal immigration is necessary.
00:46:13.000I just wonder what you think is the reason that your political opponents continue to advocate for
00:46:21.000migration both legal and otherwise, although you've significantly reframed and moved that
00:47:17.000You don't see women and children, or very few of them.
00:47:19.000It's young men who come from totally different cultures, who are not assimilating, not treating women in a way that we would think to be reasonable and fair.
00:47:28.000In many cases, coming from organized crime groups, going straight into drug farms, whatever it is.
00:47:35.000This isn't about compassion, it's about common sense.
00:47:37.000And common sense says, and Reagan said it 40 years ago, Unless you control your borders, you're not a proper country.
00:47:45.000Yeah, and my perspective from the States, I'm an immigration restrictionist.
00:47:49.000It's not just the southern border, it's our legal problem as well.
00:47:52.000We have too many legal immigrants coming into America.
00:47:55.000And this is something, this is the third rail of American politics, but when you have... Elon Omar is a legal immigrant to the United States.
00:48:03.000Has Elon Omar enriched the United States of America?
00:48:08.000So it's not just that we have a southern border problem, which obviously they're trying to replace the American population for political purposes, but we have a legal immigration problem that we keep on bringing people that do not share our values.
00:48:40.000Right now we have 1.3 million legal immigrants a year, and we have anywhere between 3 to 4 million people trespassing on the border, coming in and illegally occupying themselves and domiciling themselves.
00:48:51.000So a government exists to protect its citizens, because we're a country, not a colony, and if we are a country, then your immigration policy should be always be asking, is it helping the citizens of our country, or is it hurting them?
00:49:04.000And when American workers, for example, I represent young people and I was just speaking
00:49:09.000at University of Washington, Seattle in May, and they're all going to, you know, the huge
00:49:13.000computer science department and they say, yeah, we have to compete against foreign-born
00:49:17.000Indian workers for tech jobs at Microsoft.
00:49:42.000It seems impossible and unwise for me to decouple the issue of migration from other threats to national sovereignty.
00:49:48.000Your argument about borders seems apposite.
00:49:51.000Clear, and I appreciate and understand it.
00:49:53.000But what sense is there in protecting borders when it comes to the subject of immigration if the nation is not economically protected from forms of globalism and corporatism that are less easy to identify but similarly present a drain on the country?
00:50:07.000We'd spoke before your arrival, Nigel, about the urgent requirement for America and I presume you would see this similarly The United Kingdom to be extricated from foreign wars.
00:50:16.000But what do you think too about the influence of global corporatism on domestic politics in our country and in this one because we focus so much certainly in this environment on bureaucracy and entrenched bureaucracies and the corruption of an unelected deep state class running things.
00:50:30.000But because I know that you know a great deal about international commerce and finance, I wonder how you regard the insidious influence of financial power that is non-domestic on, for example, British politics.
00:50:43.000Well, it's the unholy trinity, isn't it, of big banks, big business, and big politics.
00:50:48.000So the more you regulate an industry, the more it suits the multinational.
00:50:52.000Because it makes it very, very difficult for small and medium-sized competitors to enter into the marketplace.
00:50:59.000So big bureaucracy suits the multinationals, they love it.
00:51:02.000And in our case, they don't even pay tax in the UK.
00:51:07.000Their corporate profits are paid through Dublin or paid through somewhere else.
00:51:10.000I think the effect of corporatism is it stifles new ideas, it stifles competition, it reduces choice in the marketplace.
00:51:27.000And it gets harder and harder for the little guy, the little woman, that wants to run their own business and set up, they find themselves being crushed by regulation, crushed by taxes, and that's bad for the economy.
00:51:39.000And the last time we saw real wealth creation Going from the bottom up.
00:51:44.000Where the gap between the top and the bottom started to narrow was in the 1980s.
00:51:49.000And in the vanguard of all of that were men and women going out, setting up their own businesses.
00:52:23.000I know, I don't want to start a fire here.
00:52:28.000I find it hilarious, at least, you know, the comical and dopey American media, them saying how, oh, you know, the left in the UK, no such thing happened.
00:53:01.000And a lot of it had to do, I think, this, this sense of populism that's gone on around the world, whether it's France, whether it's, you're seeing it now in the UK with Nigel's party, it has to do with the border issue, which you asked about before.
00:53:14.000Russell, listen, you know, compassion without a plan is actually not only not compassion, it's the inverse.
00:53:43.000Say you're, I'm Russell Brand, I'm compassionate.
00:53:45.000You know, I want to build houses for the homeless.
00:53:48.000Love you, Russell, that's such a great idea.
00:53:50.000And then, you don't know anything about houses, but you're compassionate, you build a couple houses, the homeless gentleman moves in, the next day the house collapses and kills him.
00:53:58.000It wasn't only unethical and not compassionate, it was downright immoral for you to do something you had no battle plan for.
00:54:04.000Compassion with no battle plan is immoral.
00:54:51.000Give me police services, give me a decent, strong military, a court system, and please, God, I don't use names in vain, get the fuck out of my way!
00:55:18.000What I want to say is in a sense you have perfectly articulated the new cartilage that's emerging in the anti-establishment space because you touched for a moment on a variety of issues and you did some rather wonderful cursing.
00:55:32.000Nigel and I in the past have been in positions, adversarial positions and perhaps one day we will again but you mentioned British politics and one thing that is important you question the nature of Keir Starmer's mandate and there are other questions yet about the nature of that mandate.
00:55:47.000Keir Starmer, wouldn't it be wonderful if in opposition he had been the kind of opposition leader that said What's Julian Assange doing in Belmarsh?
00:55:55.000If he'd been the kind of opposition leader that hadn't secretly met with the CIA, potentially to prolong and certainly not to expedite the release of Julian Assange.
00:56:04.000And certainly it's curious that in Kyrstyna we have a leader that almost as one of his initial duties went to assure Zelensky that funding of the war will continue, that there will be no meaningful transition.
00:56:15.000And it's precisely this kind of globalism That's meant that people that might customarily have been on the left like myself, and people that are customarily on the right like Nigel, now to a degree have a common opponent.
00:56:26.000These kind of centralist, managerial, citizen management, bureaucrat class that don't seem to have a vision for peace.
00:56:35.000Far less a vision for autonomy and democracy in a kind of get-the-fuck-out-of-my-way style, as articulated by Dan Bongino.
00:56:43.000And I wonder if you've noticed that as well, Nigel, that this is an unusual time.
00:56:47.000There is a rise of populism of various hues and varieties, and therefore I think the potential for different types of political alliances, both domestically and internationally, and now you obviously feel that internationally, you're here presumably to support Donald Trump in this Curious, extraordinary moment.
00:57:02.000What do you think about the emergence of similar alliances, based on what Dan Bongino has just said, that so many of us just want the government to get the fuck out of the way because we don't trust them?
00:58:16.000The same steel gets produced now in India and China and then shipped back to us.
00:58:22.000And when you listen to what JD said last night, that speech could appeal to 50% of Democrats in this country.
00:58:31.000The old left-right divides that perhaps certainly I grew up with years ago are being blown out of the water.
00:58:38.000This is a very different kind of politics.
00:58:41.000This is a politics that says actually a lot of good, ordinary, decent folks are being really done over.
00:58:49.000by the political system and the beneficiaries, this sort of upper middle class marzipan layer of people, not quite at the top but tucked in very securely, they're doing terribly well and they tend to run media and they tend to run politics, they tend to be executives in the global corporate organisations and they live in the middle of our big cities.
00:59:13.000It is the metropolitan types against those that live in small-town Britain, small-town America.
00:59:19.000That's the real divide, and even the class dynamic of politics has changed completely, where so much of the middle, middle-upper classes would have been naturally centre-right, now they've become liberal, and much of the working class that would have voted on the left are now feeling that actually their feelings of patriotism, their feelings about the way government's treating them, are pushing them to what we maybe see as the right.
00:59:42.000That's the big shift, politically, that's going on.
00:59:44.000Yeah, it seems extraordinary and media platforms such as this one are at the vanguard of that movement.
00:59:50.000It seems to me, I've said this a couple of times in this conference but if you'll indulge me once more, Breitbart's famous saying that politics is downstream of culture could include the fact that all are downstream of technology and our ability to
01:00:05.000communicate in this manner, to have conversations where it's possible to create possibly new consensus, new
01:00:12.000alliances, seems to have contributed certainly to the ascent of this new Vance Trump Republicanism
01:00:17.000movement. And I wonder what kind of permutations and expressions it might find
01:00:22.000elsewhere, because it does seem indeed that there is a requirement for radical global
01:00:27.000change. And I think that we're at the beginning of something quite exciting, precisely because of
01:00:32.000the ability to have forums like this one, whilst I accept that it's obviously in a
01:01:04.000Is this an important moment for us to do it?
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01:01:52.000Dan, when you express yourself that clearly, I'm not sure, Nigel, if as a fellow Englishman you're aware of the extraordinary power that Dan Bongino wields in this space.
01:02:02.000Do you see that what's happening is...
01:02:05.000Something that happened in our country I'm much more aware of is in the Brexit era, which of course you would have to say that you were the architect and imperture of, I noticed, and it sort of started to change my political perspective, that there was an ongoing contempt and disdain for ordinary British people.
01:02:22.000I saw the people of the North, Spoken of derisorily.
01:02:25.000The people of where I'm from, Essex, spoken of in a condemnatory way.
01:02:29.000And I've noticed that this phenomena doesn't seem to be unique to the United Kingdom.
01:02:33.000In this country, like I hear in Dan's ire, a kind of protection for ordinary working people.
01:02:38.000Dan comes from an ordinary working family.
01:02:41.000I wonder if you think that part of what's happening now is that there's a sort of an emergence of confidence and pride in those communities that have been abandoned by this professional marzipan class that you described.
01:02:54.000Do you feel that there's a kind of a new robustness?
01:03:51.000And I do think, I do think that among many of those working class communities, there is a feeling that enough is enough.
01:03:59.000At least for those who've still got ambition.
01:04:02.000For many others, the welfare state in our country, and we're seeing it here now in America, the rapid growth of the welfare state, where people can be better off not working than they are working.
01:04:13.000And that leads to a level of depression, it leads to a level of drug abuse, it leads to a level of, frankly, downward societal decay.
01:04:25.000So we have to find ways of getting those on benefits back to work.
01:04:30.000And we have to find ways of giving those working class communities, who've been so done down by de-industrialisation and everything else, we've got to find a way of giving them hope and optimism.
01:04:41.000But are they ready for a new political message?
01:04:44.000Are they ready for a new kind of leadership?
01:04:47.000And I think, you know, whatever his faults are, whether you like him or not, I do think Donald Trump represents some sense of hope for those communities.
01:04:55.000And again, picking JD Vance, picking a Midwesterner, I think that was a very, very clever thing to do.
01:05:01.000I think there's no question now after recent events that it seems that there is an unassailable ascent, an extraordinary optimism, and my prayer as a person who is somewhat outside of this, other than my contributions to this wonderful platform, is that this does augur the kind of optimism and the kind of change that all of us would like to see, the kind of individual freedom, community freedom, than the kind of responsibility derived liberty that's been
01:05:27.000discussed and eloquently conveyed by all of you over the course of this conversation. And let's
01:05:30.000not forget that it all took place on Rumble. Nigel, thank you for this impromptu opportunity to
01:05:34.000speak and I hope we get more chances to speak because we share many things in common and
01:05:39.000have a lot to talk about I hope and I pray. Dan, it was lovely to have this chance to speak with
01:05:44.000you and to see you in full Dan Bongino life, fully swearing, fully libertarian, full of purity,
01:05:51.000full of life. Charlie Kurtz, thank you.
01:05:52.000The endless gifts of your commitment and devotion I'm most grateful for.
01:05:56.000And for all of you, thank you for joining us.
01:05:58.000We'll be back tomorrow with Benny Johnson.