00:00:30Who are you looking forward to hearing from more, John Frankman or Curtis Hill?
00:00:36We're going to be talking a lot today about renegade minds in conservative spaces because the world needs to change pretty radically.
00:00:44What you're going to learn from Curtis Hill is you're going to learn that, well, for a start, the institutions of law have become corrupted from within.
00:04:08And yeah, challenging him because right now Republicans have the House and Senate.
00:04:13They've had it for a year and a half, and it's been one of the least productive sessions in Congress in decades.
00:04:17If you have 435 Jimmy Petronas's, you're going to get more of the same, which is no conservative wins.
00:04:23We're still going to go up trillions of dollars in debt, and our civil liberties are going to continue to be infringed upon.
00:04:29But you get 435 John Frankmans, you're going to get a bunch of fighters up there cutting the debt, protecting medical freedom, looking for a medical freedom amendment, holding Fauci accountable, other things like that.
00:04:38Mate, you see the district, first Florida district.
00:05:08It goes till Saturday, August 15th, and then election day is August 18th.
00:05:13I've got a feeling this election will be decided as all elections should be by late mail in ballots.0.98
00:05:19Them old mail in ballots often sent in by that unsung demographic.0.98
00:05:24The dead, the old dead should get involved in this election.0.99
00:05:28I noticed they've been swinging elections.
00:05:30Who was that dude that was going to be mayor in LA?
00:05:32It was like going real well for that dude, Spencer Pratt was his name, I think.
00:05:35And then, oh, it's time for the mail in ballots.
00:05:38Well, guess who are the old mail in ballots voted for?
00:05:41So, listen, we there's a kind of an obligation for people that are interested in freedom and the type of freedom that you've well actually laid your life on the line for.
00:05:48Do you mind telling our viewers how we met and don't make it sound gay?
00:05:53Uh, so we met at uh at CrossFit, Miramar Beach, Strength and Canadian.0.98
00:05:58I don't think Keras sounds good, but I know there's a lot of haters out there, probably because they can't get their heart rates up high enough or whatever.0.95
00:06:14And just stayed in touch and appreciate the friendship and the opportunity to help raise awareness because name ID is so hard trying to run for Congress against the establishment.
00:09:17And if we don't have God in politics, we're never going to survive as a country.
00:09:21There's only so much that we humans can do trying to get to that human flourishing.
00:09:27Like, apart from God, it's just not going to work.
00:09:29We have to follow his law, and it's turning away from him that's caused so many issues in this country.
00:09:33So, I want to bring all of the faith formation that I've received, all of the military training I've received, bring all that to bear up in D.C. to fight the establishment and to just bring the power back to people.
00:09:44Have you seen the film Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, starring Jimmy Stewart?
00:10:52A lot of heavy metals, a lot of heavy metals in there, John.
00:10:55That's the sort of stuff that Congress needs to do something about.
00:10:59So, yeah, in that movie, what you get the sense of is that, well, actually, if you are tenacious enough and able to survive in the ghoulish environment of Washington, D.C., then maybe some good can be done.
00:11:12And do you believe, like I do, that there needs to be radical systemic change along the lines of decentralization so people can have maximum control in their own lives under God?
00:11:20Well, yeah, and that's what our Constitution says.
00:11:23The 10th Amendment says anything not specifically relegated to the federal government belongs to the state and local level.
00:11:28And as a Catholic, subsidiarity is one of the principles of our faith, which understands that if you can solve the problem individually, you do it individually, family, family, town, town, because you understand the problem more, you have more ownership of the problem.
00:11:41The federal government only needs to be involved in those problems that only the federal government can solve.
00:11:45So it was mainly put together for national defense and commerce with other nations.
00:11:50So I want to get to D.C., and I want to get elected and have less power when I leave Congress because.
00:11:55I've shrunk the size of the federal government so much, restored so much power back to the states and the people, and it's just not sustainable.
00:14:15And I'd say that what we want is a surprise election of this brilliant man, this hero who believes in God and has the spirit of service and dedication that is required in politicians.
00:14:28We don't need to stuff that place full of Nancy Pelosi's and characters that just want to exploit and look for opportunities for financial gain and personal gain.
00:14:37We need people that actually have the mentality of a Green Beret or a priest, people that are willing to sacrifice for what they believe in.
00:14:43And I know that's the mindset that you have.
00:15:02As you can see over here on Rumble and Rumble Premium, we believe in family values, we believe in good, honest American values, we believe in one nation under God, but we believe that governments must rest upon his shoulders.
00:15:13The Sombre de la Cristo, my dear Spanish speaking friend.
00:15:18Here are me and my wife Laura doing our own little contribution in our marital home through Sunday service.
00:15:24You can see Sunday service, well, every Sunday.
00:15:27It's where the two of us talk about our faith and how we worship Christ in a new way.
00:15:53Actually, if you can't measure it, it's not there that the underlying principle is chaos and everything's falling apart.
00:15:59Indeed, the metronome experiment, if you put a lot of chaotic metronomes down, tick, or chaotically in an arrhythmic way, over time they start to move in harmony.
00:16:11That means there is an invisible tendency towards.
00:16:15It's like the arm of a loving father being placed around you and saying, No, chaos is not the final thing, not decay, not death, which are the product of the serpent, which are the product of stepping outside of God's grace and reality.
00:16:27When we watched that video yesterday, Russell's known this about me.
00:16:51It's this I watching a group of 50 people dance at the same time and the way their legs move was to me like watching the metronomes go in the same way, like the ticking.
00:17:03It was like the legs when they're tapping.
00:17:05And I said to Russell, maybe this is why I love river dance so much.
00:17:18Disturbance, disruption, but there is also stagnation.
00:17:21So, seeing the orderly beat of the metronome, or indeed, you know, just the rhythms and patterns of math and music themselves, is beautiful precisely because it shows that there is an order.
00:17:32That we're not living in total chaos and disorder.
00:17:35To your point about river dance, which, I mean, I do like seeing them clip clop about, but, you know, Michael Flatley, he's always sort of like an ultra sexy person, isn't he?
00:18:05I hope Massey Ed puts in a real good clip of Michael Flatley in his prime.
00:18:23What I will say to you, and forgive the hubris in this, that all the men you had crushes on before we married, I think were always leading you to me.
00:19:16Isn't that something else, though, you said?
00:19:18Sunday Supplement is like a weekly roundup of British football news that's been on screen for like 20, 30 years, but it's like media analysis that I used to like really watching when I was a kid.
00:20:44Remember, if you're living in the first Florida district and you are a voting What if you care about democracy, vote for John Franklin because you got to make an effort.
00:20:52Now, listen, you lot, we've got a fantastic guest on the show right now.
00:20:57It's Curtis Hill, former Attorney General of Indiana.
00:22:33So, of course, you've been Attorney General of Indiana and therefore know the deep lattice of interconnectivity, complexity, and deception that most people have never been in government.
00:23:40Diversity, there's nothing wrong with the word diversity, but how it's being used in connection with social justice, diversity and getting, alleviating excellence, or inclusion but not considering competence.
00:23:54Those are the things that we're missing in America when we push social justice.
00:23:57It's an interesting idea, like social engineering, because in a way, isn't any vision or attempt to cultivate certain values a form of social justice?
00:24:27I was shocked at how willing Americans were to give away their freedom, not to have their freedom taken away, but to actually give away their freedom.
00:24:36And one of the things that we learned through that process is that so many Americans had become reliant.
00:24:46And one of the fascinating positives out of COVID was to learn what our children were not learning in school.
00:24:53When parents were forced into having their children at home and seeing these lessons coming across the computer airways, they stopped and looked at it and they said, This is what we're learning.
00:25:06And we were all guilty of not paying attention to what was going on in our schools because we all had let the schools run our children.
00:25:14And so one of the positives was it let us.
00:25:16Unveil the shield that we had up and to see exactly what we were doing to our children, what we're doing to ourselves, what we're doing to our medical futures.
00:25:26And hopefully, most people have become more enlightened.
00:25:31I would think that many people became enlightened.
00:25:34It was a period of great revelation where it was difficult to ignore that the interests of certain powerful groups, governmental and commercial, Aligned and what was a crisis for many ordinary people was not a crisis but an opportunity.
00:25:54And I think that when you have a society that's so clearly divided along those lines, it's a problem.
00:25:59I think it was clear that people were pushing regulations and, in some cases, mandates that they themselves didn't believe in and weren't even acting in accordance with.
00:26:10I think it was a pivotal change where we learned that you cannot rely on or trust the media to tell you the truth, you can't rely on big tech to.
00:26:19Reliably disseminate information in a way that's fair and transparent.
00:26:27Big Pharma had an agenda and were deceptive and dishonest.
00:26:30And it was a kind of like, you know, the way you're surprised, Curtis, about people's willingness to yield personal power.
00:26:38I was astonished at the kind of extraordinary credulity of people willing to believe that the pharmacological companies responsible for the opioid crisis.
00:26:50The Johnson and Joyce Johnson baby powder stuff, that suddenly these people were heroes.
00:26:55Do you remember the bit where people were getting Pfizer tattooed on them and things like that?
00:27:00What kind of gaping spiritual void in us was revealed by this desperation?
00:27:05And what kind of deficit is indicated by the point that you made that people are willing to yield and obey?
00:27:13What does that suggest to you about human nature that so many people wanted to be told what to do?
00:27:21People have thrown away their self interest.
00:27:27They've allowed themselves to become sheep.
00:27:30And that's one of the things when we look at our history as Americans, our manifest destiny, our reach from ocean to ocean, it was all about the individual pushing hard, earning his way.
00:27:43And now we got to a point where we had our communities just floating with folks not caring or concerned about what they could do individually to help and resolve issues.
00:27:56I think it's okay to be sheep if you've got a reliable shepherd.
00:27:59But if you're being led by some like malfeasance and deception, then of course you have to check that.
00:28:07I think it was interesting what the guest on the show earlier, John Frankman, said about subsidiarity in the Catholic Church that organization should take place at the lowest possible level, that we should have minimal government intervention, and that every individual should be sovereign under God, every family, every community, that we should be looking to limit the amount of intervention and interjection.
00:28:33I mean, always was kind of startling during COVID that people that were pushing for other people to get vaccinated that you can get vaccinated if you want.
00:28:40Go do it all day and turn yourself into a porcupine of Pfizer needles if you need to.
00:28:45If it makes you feel any better, it won't.0.80
00:28:48But, like, you know, why was there such a not only a willingness to obey what was not necessarily plainly, but inevitably and eventually revealed to be malfeasant and nefarious interest?
00:29:03And why was there that kind of Simultaneous demand that other people yield and obey?
00:29:08How did they create so much social tension, so much fracture, so much fissure?
00:29:13Let's not forget that that was the moment where the Black Lives Matter movement kind of blew up, and one might say even the kind of MAGA activism accrued a new level of hostility.0.70
00:29:24Why did the COVID period create so much tension, do you think?0.52
00:29:28Well, the COVID period came off of the George Floyd era.
00:29:39And what was happening was if you didn't have the right narrative for George Floyd, you paid a price.
00:29:44So you saw even large corporations got involved, not because they wanted to do something to benefit people in particular, but they wanted to make sure that they covered themselves, they checked the box.
00:29:56One of the worst things that a person can go through is being experienced with being accused of being racist.
00:30:02So the left has figured out that if you can tie something to race, if you can accuse someone of racism, They will do almost anything to keep that from occurring.
00:31:11The reason he lied in the first place was to make sure that we didn't run out and use up all the masks.
00:31:16So once you have a high level government official acknowledging in his own words that he's lying to you, Then, where's your reliance on government?
00:31:27And that's one of the things that hopefully opened up the eyes to a lot of people.
00:31:34Someone in government said, let's close the school for two weeks and this will all be over.
00:31:40And I remember thinking if you close the school for two weeks and the kids stay home from school and then you bring them back and someone else gets sick, are we going to close it another two weeks?
00:31:52Well, as it turned out, that first two week closure ended up being three weeks.
00:31:57Four weeks, two months, six months, and the whole system was upended because what started out with, well, we'll just have a simple fix of two weeks.
00:32:08We relied on people who we believed had our best interest at heart, and they let us down.
00:32:13That's why we're looking for accountability with Fauci and others in the COVID sphere to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
00:32:20Speaking of Fauci, will he be charged by the end of the year?
00:33:31And not to mention, absolutely nothing gets done in Congress.
00:33:35One of the most frustrating situations is someone with youth and vitality going into Congress and getting disappointed when they don't get anything done.
00:33:43The United States, we might as well not have a Senate.
00:33:46We can't pass the Save Act because the Republicans in the Senate can't get it done.
00:34:56And just a few years before I was born, he picked that land that was on the northeast side of town where no black families had lived at this time.
00:35:12He got a phone call and invited to a meeting of the neighbors who asked him to come to the meeting and said, We don't want you or your family in this neighborhood.
00:35:21They took up a collection, took up a collection to buy him out so he wouldn't build his house there.
00:35:26And at that moment, he chose to build his house at that very spot.
00:35:30I was born a few years later, and after my third birthday party, we all went to sleep.0.93
00:35:35Our house was bombed in the middle of the night, a Malakoff cocktail thrown on the roof.
00:35:41My brother happened to be up from, and come home from work, and working at McDonald's, and discovered it.
00:35:47Nobody was injured, but the damage was done.
00:35:49And my father's response to our house getting burned or bombed was to go out and buy a shotgun.
00:36:07But he was showing us how to stand for your own freedom, how to defend yourself, how to defend your family.
00:36:12And lessons like that is what I learned, and it formed the basis of why I got involved.
00:36:17How do you suppose we navigate the evident territorial disjunct?
00:36:22Between your personal experiences of racially motivated violence as a child and your father's activism in one of the great causes, I would say, of your country, the advancement of colored people and the great leaders it created, both Dr. King and Malcolm X, but of course, others, and your seemingly entrenched position when it comes to something like the what some people would say murder of,
00:36:53George Floyd, where you've indicated that the police response to that violent attack on your home was negligent, and one might assume that was because of their kind of biases and the way that those kind of communities were policed at that time.
00:37:09And then people that work in services and police these days feel like they're stymied and all tied up and that they don't have a chance when policing certain communities.
00:37:19You seem to be unique, not uniquely, but somewhat specifically positioned to be able to help to handle some of the contradictions.
00:37:27And complexity that might exist in that space.
00:38:15So, right there, someone would say, well, that tells you right now that there's a disproportionate number of blacks in prison compared to the population.0.57
00:38:23But if we continue on with the numbers, 55% of the murder victims in this country are black.0.86
00:38:36I don't say that to try to point out the harshness and the reality of black violence, black on black violence, but I'm suggesting that there's a far greater problem with black on black violence in America than the number of police action shootings where blacks are being killed.0.92
00:38:53We should look at every one of those situations very carefully, but the reality is there's probably 40 or 50 people that are shot by police officers unarmed on an annual basis.0.90
00:39:07That doesn't, I mention that because the narrative suggests that all of these police officers out there, all over America, have as their number one goal killing young black men.0.96
00:39:19And when that narrative takes hold in young black men and members of that community, it becomes a very dangerous situation.
00:39:26Yes, there is clearly a requirement for a lot of healing between law enforcement and different communities, and in this instance, the black community.
00:39:35And I wonder how that might be resolved if there was a sense of cohesion.
00:39:39Between the community and the people policing it.
00:39:42In my country, at least, a lot of police officers don't live in the community that they're policing, don't have a connection to the community that they're policing.
00:39:50And I, in a sense, actually, Curtis, would reject the entire position.
00:39:54I think a police force should feel like a protect and serve relationship with people that you know you've invested in, that are invested in you.
00:40:02Because when it comes to the analytics of, like, you know, the statistics around black people in jail or black people that have been murdered in violence, Point, do you stop the analysis?
00:40:11When do you bring in economic conditions of that community, or do you bring in temporal or historic conditions?
00:40:19And, like, you know, if it's only, you know, I don't know, 50 years ago or whatever, that Molotov cocktails are being thrown at people's roofs on the basis of their color, what as a person has a generally speaking and absolutely ultimately a spiritual perspective, I wonder what kind of damage and harm is being done.
00:40:34And I wonder what kind of reconciliation is required, especially as an Englishman.
00:40:37You know, we have racism, of course, in England, but we have a different kind of dynamic.
00:40:41We have class dynamics that are very defining.
00:40:44There's a lot of problems and tension, at least in my country, around migration and Islam versus indigenous people.
00:41:01And it's like the Indian population and the indigenous population don't get on.0.84
00:41:05And it's like it had flavors and hues of what you hear about, what people say about Jews, and flavors and hues about what people say about Muslims.
00:41:15I think these problems also come back to the problem of centralization.
00:41:19That when you have captive populations of hundreds of millions, and one of them, one set of that population is that the history of slavery, which I know is complex and not simple, but, and then there's economic decline everywhere.
00:41:31You know, like it's a really outrageous situation to try and achieve cohesion and peace in.1.00
00:41:36Whereas if people are all actually living in communities, like when you actually said the first bit of that story of like going, the neighbors all had a meeting and they invited my dad around, I was thinking, I think even if I was a racist in the 50s, And I had to go, right, hello, we don't want you to live here because you're black.0.99
00:41:51I think I'd go, oh shit, I don't think I can go through with it.0.98
00:41:54I don't think I could look in someone's face and be racist.0.99
00:41:58I think I'd get embarrassed about my own racism.
00:42:02Like, I actually, and I wonder what you believe, guys, they believe very deeply in the fundamental beauty of human beings and that it takes manipulation for us to become hostile to one another.
00:46:54And now I must make plans to bring him home safely and clean him up and clean him up with these false charges.
00:46:59But I'm a superstitious man, and should some unfortunate accident befall him, should he be shot in the head by a police officer or struck by a bolt of lightning, then I'm going to blame some of the men in this room, and then I do not forgive.
00:47:16I mean, when you were the Attorney General of Indiana, did you have recourse to produce your Vito Corleone or your Elvis Presley while conducting the matters of high office?
00:47:26What I found when I ran for prosecutor before I was Attorney General, I was asked to go to a benefit for someone who was sick, and they asked if I would do my Elvis shtick.
00:47:36And some of my campaign people said, You can't do that.
00:48:25John Cleese, the great British comedian, says people have confused seriousness with solemnity, though there are some things that are very serious, and you almost have to be light and make jokes about them.
00:48:37In fact, the things that I find most funny or things that benefit most from humor are things that are quite serious and dark because there's a levity and luminosity that can be introduced by not taking them seriously.
00:48:52They say that the evil one, the fallen one, the enemy, the devil, El Diablo, Beelzebub, the follower of the left hand path, Molech, he doesn't like to be ridiculed.
00:49:01Like if you ridicule and mock the devil, he doesn't like that.
00:49:12I sometimes believe that it is the revelation that there is a deeper reality than the one that we believe we are solely participating in, that it is by itself, by nature, a spiritual discipline.
00:49:24It's the revelation that while we're all taking ourselves super seriously in the background, there it lurks the open grave, the waiting death, that whatever it is that I'm taking seriously right now, what's it going to matter if I get some phone call about somebody that I love?
00:49:42Crazy pomposity, and all of us on the same vessel, all of us on the same Titanic, whether we are in first or stowage, you know, and we're hitting an iceberg.
00:49:51And we, I think, need good communicative skills.
00:49:54That our modus operandi must be how do we connect?
00:50:02How can we afford the other person the opportunity to be heard or the opportunity to be right?
00:50:07Not this continual doubling down grip onto some false identity that's not going to be there for very long anyway.
00:50:14So, I applaud you for the way that you've been in a high office in a legal system and have relied primarily on the vocals of Elvis Presley and the acting of Marlon Brando to create social ease and conviviality in those environments.
00:50:58It was when Bobby was running Children's Health Defense, and we all went to Louisiana to work against the state legislature that was trying to mandate vaccines for children.
00:51:33I mean, here's how simple it is the norovirus.
00:51:36The norovirus passes itself through your nostrils.
00:51:39So if you have the norovirus living in your nostril, and you've got a substance that you can put directly on that in your nostril that can kill the norovirus.
00:52:36I'm not endorsing drugs, but I'm just saying if you are taking them anyway, there's a lot of drugs that go straight up the nose.
00:52:41Now, Ozzy Osbourne, my poor departed, God rest his eternal soul countryman, he snorted famously an entire line of ants just to show those ants who was boss.