00:00:30.000Who are you looking forward to hearing from more, John Frankman or Curtis Hill?
00:00:36.000We're going to be talking a lot today about renegade minds in conservative spaces because the world needs to change pretty radically.
00:00:44.000What you're going to learn from Curtis Hill is you're going to learn that, well, for a start, the institutions of law have become corrupted from within.
00:04:08.000And yeah, challenging him because right now Republicans have the House and Senate.
00:04:13.000They've had it for a year and a half, and it's been one of the least productive sessions in Congress in decades.
00:04:17.000If you have 435 Jimmy Petronas's, you're going to get more of the same, which is no conservative wins.
00:04:23.000We're still going to go up trillions of dollars in debt, and our civil liberties are going to continue to be infringed upon.
00:04:29.000But you get 435 John Frankmans, you're going to get a bunch of fighters up there cutting the debt, protecting medical freedom, looking for a medical freedom amendment, holding Fauci accountable, other things like that.
00:04:38.000Mate, you see the district, first Florida district.
00:05:08.000It goes till Saturday, August 15th, and then election day is August 18th.
00:05:13.000I've got a feeling this election will be decided as all elections should be by late mail in ballots.
00:05:19.000Them old mail in ballots often sent in by that unsung demographic.
00:05:24.000The dead, the old dead should get involved in this election.
00:05:28.000I noticed they've been swinging elections.
00:05:30.000Who was that dude that was going to be mayor in LA?
00:05:32.000It was like going real well for that dude, Spencer Pratt was his name, I think.
00:05:35.000And then, oh, it's time for the mail in ballots.
00:05:38.000Well, guess who are the old mail in ballots voted for?
00:05:41.000So, listen, we there's a kind of an obligation for people that are interested in freedom and the type of freedom that you've well actually laid your life on the line for.
00:05:48.000Do you mind telling our viewers how we met and don't make it sound gay?
00:05:53.000Uh, so we met at uh at CrossFit, Miramar Beach, Strength and Canadian.
00:05:58.000I don't think Keras sounds good, but I know there's a lot of haters out there, probably because they can't get their heart rates up high enough or whatever.
00:06:05.000They can't get something up high enough.
00:06:14.000And just stayed in touch and appreciate the friendship and the opportunity to help raise awareness because name ID is so hard trying to run for Congress against the establishment.
00:08:21.000But you have these different groups that are regionally aligned, and we just work by, within, through a partner force as a force multiplier.
00:08:27.000And that's either to overthrow corrupt governments or to help governments root out insurgencies and things of that nature.
00:08:36.000You got to root out them insurgencies, John.
00:08:39.000You can't have them lingering under the surface.
00:09:17.000And if we don't have God in politics, we're never going to survive as a country.
00:09:21.000There's only so much that we humans can do trying to get to that human flourishing.
00:09:27.000Like, apart from God, it's just not going to work.
00:09:29.000We have to follow his law, and it's turning away from him that's caused so many issues in this country.
00:09:33.000So, I want to bring all of the faith formation that I've received, all of the military training I've received, bring all that to bear up in D.C. to fight the establishment and to just bring the power back to people.
00:09:44.000Have you seen the film Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, starring Jimmy Stewart?
00:10:52.000A lot of heavy metals, a lot of heavy metals in there, John.
00:10:55.000That's the sort of stuff that Congress needs to do something about.
00:10:59.000So, yeah, in that movie, what you get the sense of is that, well, actually, if you are tenacious enough and able to survive in the ghoulish environment of Washington, D.C., then maybe some good can be done.
00:11:12.000And do you believe, like I do, that there needs to be radical systemic change along the lines of decentralization so people can have maximum control in their own lives under God?
00:11:20.000Well, yeah, and that's what our Constitution says.
00:11:23.000The 10th Amendment says anything not specifically relegated to the federal government belongs to the state and local level.
00:11:28.000And as a Catholic, subsidiarity is one of the principles of our faith, which understands that if you can solve the problem individually, you do it individually, family, family, town, town, because you understand the problem more, you have more ownership of the problem.
00:11:41.000The federal government only needs to be involved in those problems that only the federal government can solve.
00:11:45.000So it was mainly put together for national defense and commerce with other nations.
00:11:50.000So I want to get to D.C., and I want to get elected and have less power when I leave Congress because.
00:11:55.000I've shrunk the size of the federal government so much, restored so much power back to the states and the people, and it's just not sustainable.
00:14:15.000And I'd say that what we want is a surprise election of this brilliant man, this hero who believes in God and has the spirit of service and dedication that is required in politicians.
00:14:28.000We don't need to stuff that place full of Nancy Pelosi's and characters that just want to exploit and look for opportunities for financial gain and personal gain.
00:14:37.000We need people that actually have the mentality of a Green Beret or a priest, people that are willing to sacrifice for what they believe in.
00:14:43.000And I know that's the mindset that you have.
00:15:02.000As you can see over here on Rumble and Rumble Premium, we believe in family values, we believe in good, honest American values, we believe in one nation under God, but we believe that governments must rest upon his shoulders.
00:15:13.000The Sombre de la Cristo, my dear Spanish speaking friend.
00:15:18.000Here are me and my wife Laura doing our own little contribution in our marital home through Sunday service.
00:15:24.000You can see Sunday service, well, every Sunday.
00:15:27.000It's where the two of us talk about our faith and how we worship Christ in a new way.
00:15:53.000Actually, if you can't measure it, it's not there that the underlying principle is chaos and everything's falling apart.
00:15:59.000Indeed, the metronome experiment, if you put a lot of chaotic metronomes down, tick, or chaotically in an arrhythmic way, over time they start to move in harmony.
00:16:11.000That means there is an invisible tendency towards.
00:16:15.000It's like the arm of a loving father being placed around you and saying, No, chaos is not the final thing, not decay, not death, which are the product of the serpent, which are the product of stepping outside of God's grace and reality.
00:16:27.000When we watched that video yesterday, Russell's known this about me.
00:16:33.000I've always been a big fan of Riverdance.
00:16:37.000I knew that Riverdance would come marching in a column into this podcast one day.
00:16:45.000I mean, it's not just me, it's why it's one of the most successful.
00:16:48.000Productions on the stage all this time.
00:16:51.000It's this I watching a group of 50 people dance at the same time and the way their legs move was to me like watching the metronomes go in the same way, like the ticking.
00:17:03.000It was like the legs when they're tapping.
00:17:05.000And I said to Russell, maybe this is why I love river dance so much.
00:17:18.000Disturbance, disruption, but there is also stagnation.
00:17:21.000So, seeing the orderly beat of the metronome, or indeed, you know, just the rhythms and patterns of math and music themselves, is beautiful precisely because it shows that there is an order.
00:17:32.000That we're not living in total chaos and disorder.
00:17:35.000To your point about river dance, which, I mean, I do like seeing them clip clop about, but, you know, Michael Flatley, he's always sort of like an ultra sexy person, isn't he?
00:18:05.000I hope Massey Ed puts in a real good clip of Michael Flatley in his prime.
00:18:23.000What I will say to you, and forgive the hubris in this, that all the men you had crushes on before we married, I think were always leading you to me.
00:19:16.000Isn't that something else, though, you said?
00:19:18.000Sunday Supplement is like a weekly roundup of British football news that's been on screen for like 20, 30 years, but it's like media analysis that I used to like really watching when I was a kid.
00:20:44.000Remember, if you're living in the first Florida district and you are a voting What if you care about democracy, vote for John Franklin because you got to make an effort.
00:20:52.000Now, listen, you lot, we've got a fantastic guest on the show right now.
00:20:57.000It's Curtis Hill, former Attorney General of Indiana.
00:21:01.000And I'm going to go ahead and say badass.
00:22:33.000So, of course, you've been Attorney General of Indiana and therefore know the deep lattice of interconnectivity, complexity, and deception that most people have never been in government.
00:23:40.000Diversity, there's nothing wrong with the word diversity, but how it's being used in connection with social justice, diversity and getting, alleviating excellence, or inclusion but not considering competence.
00:23:54.000Those are the things that we're missing in America when we push social justice.
00:23:57.000It's an interesting idea, like social engineering, because in a way, isn't any vision or attempt to cultivate certain values a form of social justice?
00:24:27.000I was shocked at how willing Americans were to give away their freedom, not to have their freedom taken away, but to actually give away their freedom.
00:24:36.000And one of the things that we learned through that process is that so many Americans had become reliant.
00:24:46.000And one of the fascinating positives out of COVID was to learn what our children were not learning in school.
00:24:53.000When parents were forced into having their children at home and seeing these lessons coming across the computer airways, they stopped and looked at it and they said, This is what we're learning.
00:25:06.000And we were all guilty of not paying attention to what was going on in our schools because we all had let the schools run our children.
00:25:14.000And so one of the positives was it let us.
00:25:16.000Unveil the shield that we had up and to see exactly what we were doing to our children, what we're doing to ourselves, what we're doing to our medical futures.
00:25:26.000And hopefully, most people have become more enlightened.
00:25:31.000I would think that many people became enlightened.
00:25:34.000It was a period of great revelation where it was difficult to ignore that the interests of certain powerful groups, governmental and commercial, Aligned and what was a crisis for many ordinary people was not a crisis but an opportunity.
00:25:54.000And I think that when you have a society that's so clearly divided along those lines, it's a problem.
00:25:59.000I think it was clear that people were pushing regulations and, in some cases, mandates that they themselves didn't believe in and weren't even acting in accordance with.
00:26:10.000I think it was a pivotal change where we learned that you cannot rely on or trust the media to tell you the truth, you can't rely on big tech to.
00:26:19.000Reliably disseminate information in a way that's fair and transparent.
00:26:23.000The government had a concealed agenda.
00:26:27.000Big Pharma had an agenda and were deceptive and dishonest.
00:26:30.000And it was a kind of like, you know, the way you're surprised, Curtis, about people's willingness to yield personal power.
00:26:38.000I was astonished at the kind of extraordinary credulity of people willing to believe that the pharmacological companies responsible for the opioid crisis.
00:26:50.000The Johnson and Joyce Johnson baby powder stuff, that suddenly these people were heroes.
00:26:55.000Do you remember the bit where people were getting Pfizer tattooed on them and things like that?
00:27:00.000What kind of gaping spiritual void in us was revealed by this desperation?
00:27:05.000And what kind of deficit is indicated by the point that you made that people are willing to yield and obey?
00:27:13.000What does that suggest to you about human nature that so many people wanted to be told what to do?
00:27:21.000People have thrown away their self interest.
00:27:27.000They've allowed themselves to become sheep.
00:27:30.000And that's one of the things when we look at our history as Americans, our manifest destiny, our reach from ocean to ocean, it was all about the individual pushing hard, earning his way.
00:27:43.000And now we got to a point where we had our communities just floating with folks not caring or concerned about what they could do individually to help and resolve issues.
00:27:56.000I think it's okay to be sheep if you've got a reliable shepherd.
00:27:59.000But if you're being led by some like malfeasance and deception, then of course you have to check that.
00:28:07.000I think it was interesting what the guest on the show earlier, John Frankman, said about subsidiarity in the Catholic Church that organization should take place at the lowest possible level, that we should have minimal government intervention, and that every individual should be sovereign under God, every family, every community, that we should be looking to limit the amount of intervention and interjection.
00:28:33.000I mean, always was kind of startling during COVID that people that were pushing for other people to get vaccinated that you can get vaccinated if you want.
00:28:40.000Go do it all day and turn yourself into a porcupine of Pfizer needles if you need to.
00:28:45.000If it makes you feel any better, it won't.
00:28:48.000But, like, you know, why was there such a not only a willingness to obey what was not necessarily plainly, but inevitably and eventually revealed to be malfeasant and nefarious interest?
00:29:03.000And why was there that kind of Simultaneous demand that other people yield and obey?
00:29:08.000How did they create so much social tension, so much fracture, so much fissure?
00:29:13.000Let's not forget that that was the moment where the Black Lives Matter movement kind of blew up, and one might say even the kind of MAGA activism accrued a new level of hostility.
00:29:24.000Why did the COVID period create so much tension, do you think?
00:29:28.000Well, the COVID period came off of the George Floyd era.
00:29:33.0002020 was a big, big season for injustice.
00:29:39.000And what was happening was if you didn't have the right narrative for George Floyd, you paid a price.
00:29:44.000So you saw even large corporations got involved, not because they wanted to do something to benefit people in particular, but they wanted to make sure that they covered themselves, they checked the box.
00:29:56.000One of the worst things that a person can go through is being experienced with being accused of being racist.
00:30:02.000So the left has figured out that if you can tie something to race, if you can accuse someone of racism, They will do almost anything to keep that from occurring.
00:31:11.000The reason he lied in the first place was to make sure that we didn't run out and use up all the masks.
00:31:16.000So once you have a high level government official acknowledging in his own words that he's lying to you, Then, where's your reliance on government?
00:31:27.000And that's one of the things that hopefully opened up the eyes to a lot of people.
00:31:34.000Someone in government said, let's close the school for two weeks and this will all be over.
00:31:40.000And I remember thinking if you close the school for two weeks and the kids stay home from school and then you bring them back and someone else gets sick, are we going to close it another two weeks?
00:31:52.000Well, as it turned out, that first two week closure ended up being three weeks.
00:31:57.000Four weeks, two months, six months, and the whole system was upended because what started out with, well, we'll just have a simple fix of two weeks.
00:32:08.000We relied on people who we believed had our best interest at heart, and they let us down.
00:32:13.000That's why we're looking for accountability with Fauci and others in the COVID sphere to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
00:32:20.000Speaking of Fauci, will he be charged by the end of the year?
00:32:23.000Polymarket are giving him a 40% chance.
00:32:25.000That's actually higher than I thought.
00:32:27.000Bet on this and other real world events at Polymarket.
00:32:31.000How, having reached the conclusions that it appears you've reached, could you ever consider being involved in any political institution again?
00:32:40.000And what kind of ambitions do you have when it comes to politics, organization, and activism?
00:32:46.000Well, the reason to stay involved is because someone with a clear vision and a respect for the truth has to stay involved in it.
00:32:54.000It's very easy to get hit politically, and I've been hit politically.
00:32:58.000It's very easy to look at that situation and say, well, I don't need to get involved in this anymore.
00:33:31.000And not to mention, absolutely nothing gets done in Congress.
00:33:35.000One of the most frustrating situations is someone with youth and vitality going into Congress and getting disappointed when they don't get anything done.
00:33:43.000The United States, we might as well not have a Senate.
00:33:46.000We can't pass the Save Act because the Republicans in the Senate can't get it done.
00:34:52.000My father built a house in our hometown.
00:34:56.000And just a few years before I was born, he picked that land that was on the northeast side of town where no black families had lived at this time.
00:35:12.000He got a phone call and invited to a meeting of the neighbors who asked him to come to the meeting and said, We don't want you or your family in this neighborhood.
00:35:21.000They took up a collection, took up a collection to buy him out so he wouldn't build his house there.
00:35:26.000And at that moment, he chose to build his house at that very spot.
00:35:30.000I was born a few years later, and after my third birthday party, we all went to sleep.
00:35:35.000Our house was bombed in the middle of the night, a Malakoff cocktail thrown on the roof.
00:35:41.000My brother happened to be up from, and come home from work, and working at McDonald's, and discovered it.
00:35:47.000Nobody was injured, but the damage was done.
00:35:49.000And my father's response to our house getting burned or bombed was to go out and buy a shotgun.
00:36:07.000But he was showing us how to stand for your own freedom, how to defend yourself, how to defend your family.
00:36:12.000And lessons like that is what I learned, and it formed the basis of why I got involved.
00:36:17.000How do you suppose we navigate the evident territorial disjunct?
00:36:22.000Between your personal experiences of racially motivated violence as a child and your father's activism in one of the great causes, I would say, of your country, the advancement of colored people and the great leaders it created, both Dr. King and Malcolm X, but of course, others, and your seemingly entrenched position when it comes to something like the what some people would say murder of,
00:36:53.000George Floyd, where you've indicated that the police response to that violent attack on your home was negligent, and one might assume that was because of their kind of biases and the way that those kind of communities were policed at that time.
00:37:09.000And then people that work in services and police these days feel like they're stymied and all tied up and that they don't have a chance when policing certain communities.
00:37:19.000You seem to be unique, not uniquely, but somewhat specifically positioned to be able to help to handle some of the contradictions.
00:37:27.000And complexity that might exist in that space.
00:37:28.000What do you have to offer there, Curtis?
00:38:12.00038% of the prison population is black.
00:38:15.000So, right there, someone would say, well, that tells you right now that there's a disproportionate number of blacks in prison compared to the population.
00:38:23.000But if we continue on with the numbers, 55% of the murder victims in this country are black.
00:38:36.000I don't say that to try to point out the harshness and the reality of black violence, black on black violence, but I'm suggesting that there's a far greater problem with black on black violence in America than the number of police action shootings where blacks are being killed.
00:38:53.000We should look at every one of those situations very carefully, but the reality is there's probably 40 or 50 people that are shot by police officers unarmed on an annual basis.
00:39:07.000That doesn't, I mention that because the narrative suggests that all of these police officers out there, all over America, have as their number one goal killing young black men.
00:39:19.000And when that narrative takes hold in young black men and members of that community, it becomes a very dangerous situation.
00:39:26.000Yes, there is clearly a requirement for a lot of healing between law enforcement and different communities, and in this instance, the black community.
00:39:35.000And I wonder how that might be resolved if there was a sense of cohesion.
00:39:39.000Between the community and the people policing it.
00:39:42.000In my country, at least, a lot of police officers don't live in the community that they're policing, don't have a connection to the community that they're policing.
00:39:50.000And I, in a sense, actually, Curtis, would reject the entire position.
00:39:54.000I think a police force should feel like a protect and serve relationship with people that you know you've invested in, that are invested in you.
00:40:02.000Because when it comes to the analytics of, like, you know, the statistics around black people in jail or black people that have been murdered in violence, Point, do you stop the analysis?
00:40:11.000When do you bring in economic conditions of that community, or do you bring in temporal or historic conditions?
00:40:19.000And, like, you know, if it's only, you know, I don't know, 50 years ago or whatever, that Molotov cocktails are being thrown at people's roofs on the basis of their color, what as a person has a generally speaking and absolutely ultimately a spiritual perspective, I wonder what kind of damage and harm is being done.
00:40:34.000And I wonder what kind of reconciliation is required, especially as an Englishman.
00:40:37.000You know, we have racism, of course, in England, but we have a different kind of dynamic.
00:40:41.000We have class dynamics that are very defining.
00:40:44.000There's a lot of problems and tension, at least in my country, around migration and Islam versus indigenous people.
00:41:01.000And it's like the Indian population and the indigenous population don't get on.
00:41:05.000And it's like it had flavors and hues of what you hear about, what people say about Jews, and flavors and hues about what people say about Muslims.
00:41:15.000I think these problems also come back to the problem of centralization.
00:41:19.000That when you have captive populations of hundreds of millions, and one of them, one set of that population is that the history of slavery, which I know is complex and not simple, but, and then there's economic decline everywhere.
00:41:31.000You know, like it's a really outrageous situation to try and achieve cohesion and peace in.
00:41:36.000Whereas if people are all actually living in communities, like when you actually said the first bit of that story of like going, the neighbors all had a meeting and they invited my dad around, I was thinking, I think even if I was a racist in the 50s, And I had to go, right, hello, we don't want you to live here because you're black.
00:41:51.000I think I'd go, oh shit, I don't think I can go through with it.
00:41:54.000I don't think I could look in someone's face and be racist.
00:41:58.000I think I'd get embarrassed about my own racism.
00:42:02.000Like, I actually, and I wonder what you believe, guys, they believe very deeply in the fundamental beauty of human beings and that it takes manipulation for us to become hostile to one another.
00:46:54.000And now I must make plans to bring him home safely and clean him up and clean him up with these false charges.
00:46:59.000But I'm a superstitious man, and should some unfortunate accident befall him, should he be shot in the head by a police officer or struck by a bolt of lightning, then I'm going to blame some of the men in this room, and then I do not forgive.
00:47:14.000Corleone, that's pretty good, you know.
00:47:16.000I mean, when you were the Attorney General of Indiana, did you have recourse to produce your Vito Corleone or your Elvis Presley while conducting the matters of high office?
00:47:26.000What I found when I ran for prosecutor before I was Attorney General, I was asked to go to a benefit for someone who was sick, and they asked if I would do my Elvis shtick.
00:47:36.000And some of my campaign people said, You can't do that.
00:48:25.000John Cleese, the great British comedian, says people have confused seriousness with solemnity, though there are some things that are very serious, and you almost have to be light and make jokes about them.
00:48:37.000In fact, the things that I find most funny or things that benefit most from humor are things that are quite serious and dark because there's a levity and luminosity that can be introduced by not taking them seriously.
00:48:52.000They say that the evil one, the fallen one, the enemy, the devil, El Diablo, Beelzebub, the follower of the left hand path, Molech, he doesn't like to be ridiculed.
00:49:01.000Like if you ridicule and mock the devil, he doesn't like that.
00:49:12.000I sometimes believe that it is the revelation that there is a deeper reality than the one that we believe we are solely participating in, that it is by itself, by nature, a spiritual discipline.
00:49:24.000It's the revelation that while we're all taking ourselves super seriously in the background, there it lurks the open grave, the waiting death, that whatever it is that I'm taking seriously right now, what's it going to matter if I get some phone call about somebody that I love?
00:49:42.000Crazy pomposity, and all of us on the same vessel, all of us on the same Titanic, whether we are in first or stowage, you know, and we're hitting an iceberg.
00:49:51.000And we, I think, need good communicative skills.
00:49:54.000That our modus operandi must be how do we connect?
00:50:02.000How can we afford the other person the opportunity to be heard or the opportunity to be right?
00:50:07.000Not this continual doubling down grip onto some false identity that's not going to be there for very long anyway.
00:50:14.000So, I applaud you for the way that you've been in a high office in a legal system and have relied primarily on the vocals of Elvis Presley and the acting of Marlon Brando to create social ease and conviviality in those environments.
00:50:58.000It was when Bobby was running Children's Health Defense, and we all went to Louisiana to work against the state legislature that was trying to mandate vaccines for children.
00:51:33.000I mean, here's how simple it is the norovirus.
00:51:36.000The norovirus passes itself through your nostrils.
00:51:39.000So if you have the norovirus living in your nostril, and you've got a substance that you can put directly on that in your nostril that can kill the norovirus.
00:52:36.000I'm not endorsing drugs, but I'm just saying if you are taking them anyway, there's a lot of drugs that go straight up the nose.
00:52:41.000Now, Ozzy Osbourne, my poor departed, God rest his eternal soul countryman, he snorted famously an entire line of ants just to show those ants who was boss.