Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Data They Don’t Want to Talk About | Dr John Campbell - SF661

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 It's a brilliant episode.

00:00:21.000 It's a conversation with Dr. John Campbell.

00:00:23.000 Dr. John Campbell is a physician and medic and YouTuber who was so honest, but yet somehow articulate during the pandemic period that he managed to tell the truth and not get banned and kicked out.

00:00:33.000 Now that we know that vaccines have killed kids, now that we know that vaccines likely contributed to heart disease, well, we know that that's actually a fact.

00:00:44.000 Perhaps they are related to this spike of cancers, and that the British government won't release the data on the relationship between vaccines and excess deaths.

00:00:52.000 Probably because if they did release that data on the connection between vaccines and excess deaths, we'd be so happy about it.

00:00:58.000 It'll be such a lack of connection between vaccines and excess deaths that all of us would run giddily and crazily into the streets and maybe get run over by a truck driven by an illegal immigrant over there in the UK. 0.98

00:01:10.000 I'm joking, of course, and whatever the reason is for mass migration, it's not to help them and it's not to help you.

00:01:15.000 That I can tell you for a fact because I just know how these people work now.

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00:01:52.000 This is a good conversation with Dr. John.

00:01:54.000 We talk about religion.

00:01:55.000 We talk a little bit about my forthcoming court case in the UK with the UK getting rid of trial by jury, although it isn't for rape cases, and I am being unbelievably tried for rape.

00:02:04.000 So, you know, we cover that in some degree.

00:02:06.000 And we talk about Dr. John's anxiety, a touch a little bit.

00:02:10.000 And we also talk a lot about Christ, abortion, euthanasia.

00:02:16.000 So much, man.

00:02:17.000 It's a good conversation.

00:02:18.000 I hope you enjoy it.

00:02:21.000 John Campbell, here we are together at last.

00:02:26.000 How is your health?

00:02:28.000 Yeah, I'm not too bad.

00:02:30.000 I have the odd anxiety episode, but I'm basically okay 95% of the time.

00:02:35.000 What about you?

00:02:38.000 My health is good.

00:02:41.000 I feel well, I suppose what I do get is highly adrenalized.

00:02:47.000 I've probably taken a word like anxiety out of my vocabulary because of the vicissitudes of my life, doctor.

00:02:55.000 There's been so much volatility, not even I'm not even particularly referring to the last couple of years, even though that is without question the most extreme and challenging period of my life, even beyond being an active drug addict and being poor and living on welfare and craziness of Hollywood, the craziness of my childhood, and the few incidents of abuse that were sort of,

00:03:24.000 I guess, tent poles, as it were, of my childhood and the general sense of if deprivation seems like a hard word, but it was difficult.

00:03:33.000 It was a difficult childhood.

00:03:35.000 Doesn't sound like a hard word to me at all.

00:03:38.000 Yeah, like my mum was sick a lot when I was a kid.

00:03:41.000 I didn't grow up with my dad.

00:03:43.000 You know, you know, I have a good relationship with my dad now, and I love him, you know, and he did his best.

00:03:48.000 And I love him.

00:03:49.000 I love him.

00:03:50.000 And I'm really thinking of it.

00:03:52.000 Actually, funny enough, it's funny this has come up because I'm really praying about forgiveness.

00:03:58.000 And I don't, you know, like you feel like if your president's done work on yourself, you feel like, of course I've forgiven my parents for being human beings and flawed.

00:04:07.000 Like, of course, my mum didn't want to be sick a lot, you know, and but like on some level, I realized since coming to Christ that my identity is on holding on to that pain, the pain of things just being the way they were, the reality of my life.

00:04:29.000 Is your mum still alive?

00:04:31.000 By God's grace, yes, she is.

00:04:33.000 She's had cancer eight times, eight times, lymph, breast twice, or maybe three times, lymph twice or maybe three times, and then uteral and then, you know, I can't track them anymore.

00:04:46.000 You know, but she's what's very strange, Doc, about my mum also is that when she's had cancer, it's like it's brought to the forefront this aspect of her nature that I have to say is very beautiful.

00:05:01.000 And I probably get on better with her.

00:05:03.000 I think our identity as a family, you know, like me and her, because I don't have siblings and I don't, you know, there was a stepdad around for part of my childhood.

00:05:15.000 But like for a significant part of my childhood, actually, but I didn't get on with him.

00:05:18.000 I had a bad relationship with him.

00:05:21.000 Our relationship, when she was sick, it's sort of like she became sort of beautified by it, like sort of somewhat saintly.

00:05:28.000 So I would say that her identity was somewhat, you know, formed around it, for good or for ill.

00:05:35.000 And yeah.

00:05:36.000 And yeah, so she, yeah, she's still with us.

00:05:39.000 I'm sorry, I hijacked that a little.

00:05:41.000 What about your anxiety?

00:05:44.000 No, I'm okay most of the time.

00:05:47.000 Just I've had it on and off all my life.

00:05:50.000 It's just a bit of a nuisance.

00:05:53.000 My wife's kind of got used to it now.

00:05:55.000 Are you happy for this, Shui? 0.99

00:05:57.000 Can this be the podcast?

00:05:58.000 Oh, no, Go for it.

00:06:00.000 I'm better when I work.

00:06:02.000 Russell, there's one thing I'm concerned about.

00:06:03.000 Will you get a trial by a jury next year?

00:06:06.000 I suppose so.

00:06:07.000 I mean, it's a rape trial.

00:06:08.000 So I suppose so.

00:06:10.000 I suppose so.

00:06:12.000 Like, it says not for, I mean, unless the rape charges drop out, then, you know.

00:06:19.000 But like, I don't, I don't see that.

00:06:22.000 I mean, I don't know, whatever, whatever happens.

00:06:25.000 Oh, my God.

00:06:25.000 It's been so, it's absolutely transformative.

00:06:29.000 And I've got to say, I'm already at the point where I'm grateful that it's happened and I accept it.

00:06:35.000 That's not to say I'm not frightened.

00:06:38.000 And that's not to say, you know, it's bought up a lot of stuff.

00:06:40.000 It makes me recognize that in my years of promiscuity, I did not treat women very well, which I kind of knew anyway, you know, like I was sleeping around.

00:06:50.000 I was not calling people back.

00:06:52.000 I was having a lot of threesomes.

00:06:53.000 I was, you know, all of those kind of behaviors that I was talking about explicitly at the time.

00:06:59.000 Now, what I believe happened is after the documentary got made by like the, you know, the Times and a production company called Hard Cash Productions working together over a four-year period, apparently, interviewing over 400 people.

00:07:12.000 And you will have seen that when that memo got leaked about Trump and them cutting Trump's capital speech, they pushed, the BBC pushed that story four times, like they did 12 pushes on stories related to me and only four on the subject of immigration, for example.

00:07:27.000 To give you like a comparison. 0.96

00:07:29.000 Now, obviously, what my hope is, is that in a trial, in a trial, it's like, where's the fucking proof? 0.93

00:07:36.000 Where's the proof that this was a non-conceptual counter? 0.94

00:07:40.000 I think there's law they'll have to prove you guilty, weren't they?

00:07:43.000 Yeah, they'll have to have a majority verdict.

00:07:45.000 They'll have to have, I think, 10 or 11 of 12 jurors saying yes, beyond reasonable doubt, in 1999 and in 2004, he committed these crimes beyond reasonable doubt.

00:07:57.000 But that's where statute of limitations becomes relevant.

00:07:59.000 I don't agree with statute of reputation of liberty.

00:08:01.000 If someone raped someone I loved 20, 30 years ago, I'd want them brought to justice.

00:08:05.000 But the challenge is, how do, like, if you said you raped me yesterday, I'd be going, well, hold on a minute. 0.68

00:08:11.000 This is what I was doing yesterday.

00:08:13.000 I can prove beyond all doubt that I didn't.

00:08:15.000 And we can't even take it to trial. 0.95

00:08:17.000 But with 21 years ago, 26 years ago, that's fucking difficult. 0.88

00:08:22.000 It's difficult to prove beyond that I wasn't there or whatever. 0.96

00:08:25.000 And the truth is, is probably in all of these cases, they were women that I'd slept with.

00:08:29.000 I'm pretty, you know, pretty certain about that.

00:08:31.000 So, yeah, it's an interesting, it's an interesting thing to go by.

00:08:35.000 But I'm sure we're also thinking, John, I don't know what you think about this, the UK is going through such fluctuations and so many challenges.

00:08:43.000 I just think it's going to be interesting.

00:08:45.000 I think it's going to be interesting.

00:08:48.000 The thing that struck me about your case really is there's so many other individuals and groups, for example, pop groups, for example, that we could mention, who were absolutely notorious for their activities.

00:09:03.000 You know, we could run out of long lists between us.

00:09:06.000 And I'm sure they weren't asking how old the girls were a lot of the time.

00:09:09.000 Yeah.

00:09:10.000 I mean, you know, I know a friend of mine told me about a mate of his who was abused by a rather famous pop star when they visited Carlisle when she was 15 years old, you know.

00:09:22.000 And this, they seem to have picked you out.

00:09:26.000 Yeah.

00:09:29.000 No one's saying underage.

00:09:31.000 And no one was saying non-consensual until the documentary, which is the documentary, I think.

00:09:39.000 I also, by the way, John, I don't think these things work.

00:09:42.000 I'm not sure how they work, but I don't think people that were conducting interviews, journalists at the times or the participants in the documentary are like, let's bring down Russell Brand.

00:09:50.000 I think they are actually going, this is one of those cases of women have been exploited.

00:09:56.000 But the fact that they think that, that don't mean anything.

00:09:59.000 But that applies to a thousand men.

00:10:05.000 Well, many more than that.

00:10:09.000 No, I think you've been targeted for your political views.

00:10:13.000 Yeah, I mean, what's difficult is getting coaching the lawyers in that direction ain't easy.

00:10:19.000 Fortunately, in addition to a strong legal team, I am working with people that have a broader perspective on such matters.

00:10:27.000 Well, you'd have to follow their advice.

00:10:30.000 They're the people that know.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, I mean, there's so many problems at the moment, you know, that the trying to get rid of trial by a jury for many offences is one of them.

00:10:46.000 What is that?

00:10:49.000 Well, they've increased crime or allowed crime to increase.

00:10:55.000 You know, the 10,000 arrests a year for social media posts won't help.

00:11:01.000 And so what they do is they generate a problem and then say, well, don't worry about it.

00:11:07.000 We've got this problem.

00:11:08.000 But don't, hey, we've got the answer for it.

00:11:10.000 But the answer is always a further impinging of personal liberties, you know, identity cards, loss of trial by jury, non-crime hate incidents.

00:11:26.000 They kind of make the problem and then they answer it themselves, but to our detriment.

00:11:32.000 I don't even think the political participants are aware of what they're doing.

00:11:36.000 I really don't.

00:11:37.000 I think that the maneuvering happens beyond that.

00:11:40.000 I don't know.

00:11:42.000 I mean, the fact that you were demonetized on YouTube as a result of a letter from a parliamentary committee.

00:11:49.000 So we're in a situation now where parliamentary committees decides who can make a living and who can't make a living.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 It's amazing.

00:11:58.000 Now, thankfully, you know, you've got deals with Rumble and stuff like that.

00:12:03.000 But, you know, I mean, it's a big chunk of money.

00:12:08.000 They basically said, you either said, they said to YouTube, stop paying this guy.

00:12:13.000 And because they didn't want to get into trouble, they said, yes, all right, ma'am.

00:12:17.000 And, you know, that to me was patent political interference.

00:12:22.000 Of course, that, and she, Caroline Dynage, is married to Mark Lancaster, and Mark Lancaster is part of the 77th Brigade.

00:12:28.000 It's very interesting.

00:12:30.000 It's interesting.

00:12:31.000 The whole thing's interesting.

00:12:34.000 And incestuous. 0.93

00:12:36.000 I interviewed Candice Owens yesterday. 0.51

00:12:40.000 What was really fascinating about that is, you know, what she's doing, like what it says, and as I've been sort of saying in my content lately, is we in scripture, Doctor, it talks very plainly about the world is controlled by evil.

00:12:55.000 Today I was just reading it in John 1, the letters.

00:13:00.000 He just sort of says, we know the world is controlled by the evil one.

00:13:04.000 We know that.

00:13:05.000 And of course, that's what it says sort of markedly in Revelation.

00:13:10.000 That's what it says.

00:13:11.000 The letters of Paul talk about it, notably in Ephesians, of course.

00:13:14.000 And what I feel like is, well, people that I, you know, actually kind of admire, in spite of the directly criticizes me and you, like David Icke, you know, I like David Icke.

00:13:28.000 I like what he, a lot of the stuff he says, I like it.

00:13:31.000 I'm interested in it.

00:13:32.000 I think he's been very bold and sort of ridiculed.

00:13:36.000 And like, you know, like in his latest book, he's like, you know, as I've been telling you for years, these institutions have been captured by demonic forces.

00:13:43.000 I'm saying, well, that's in the Bible.

00:13:46.000 And one thing I do wonder is why Christians aren't more explicit about the scriptural depiction of evil and how evil is practiced in the world.

00:13:59.000 You know, I think British Christianity does not focus on it at all because I think and Roman Catholicism has obviously ultimately, you know, except for sects within it, which were sort of some of them, as I'm sure you know, very deeply mystical, committed, and pretty radical.

00:14:19.000 You know, Roman Catholicism, no one's, I'll tell you where this came from. 0.98

00:14:22.000 I went to Rome and I went to, I think it's called St. Luci's Church or Cathedral.

00:14:27.000 It's pretty, you know, in the context of Rome.

00:14:29.000 It's not particularly grand cathedral, magnificent anywhere else.

00:14:32.000 But they've got three Caravaggios that were actually commissioned for that church, you know, obviously when Caravaggio was alive.

00:14:41.000 And the first is St. Matthew.

00:14:44.000 I think that's how it works.

00:14:45.000 First is St. Matthew receiving the anointing.

00:14:50.000 And the second is him writing the gospel.

00:14:52.000 And the third is him being flayed alive and martyred.

00:14:59.000 I don't think that's known for sure.

00:15:01.000 I think there's some debate about the martyrdom of some of the apostles.

00:15:06.000 Really?

00:15:08.000 I think so.

00:15:10.000 Joss McDowell did not Joss McDowell.

00:15:12.000 Sean McDowell did a dissertation on it.

00:15:13.000 It was quite interesting.

00:15:15.000 About what the death of various apostles.

00:15:17.000 He followed it up.

00:15:19.000 I think there was only definite historical accounts that three were martyred.

00:15:24.000 right but i mean the others the other the others may have been but it's um yeah peter's is sort of we're pretty happy on peter are we And like the upside down crucifixion.

00:15:34.000 I can't remember.

00:15:36.000 I don't think that's known for sure.

00:15:39.000 I think he's one of the ones that was definitely martyred, though.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 I can't remember the others, but it was quite an interesting, quite an interesting thing.

00:15:47.000 Yeah, well, it's for sure.

00:15:49.000 But what I would say is that aside from those kind of investigations that are difficult to conduct, as are all classical or history of that period, what is clear is to be a Christian then meant you're taking your life in your hands and you are opposed to Babylon or Rome. 0.80

00:16:08.000 You're opposed to the system.

00:16:10.000 And what I was struck by when looking at those paintings, knowing that the Vatican was just around the corner was, oh man, it's been co-opted.

00:16:20.000 If the Vatican was what St. Matthew is in these depictions, then the Vatican would have, you know, it does have armed guards outside, but it wouldn't have a gift shop.

00:16:29.000 It wouldn't have a gift shop.

00:16:31.000 It would be like, we are at war.

00:16:33.000 We are in a war and we are at war with these human institutions.

00:16:37.000 Government, media, that's who we're at war with.

00:16:41.000 And my sort of coming to faith has been about, you know, what's, I'm writing about this right now, in fact, has been about recognizing that what's in scripture is not at odds with what I felt and thought as a kind of what you might regard as a new age radical.

00:16:58.000 That's true, but if we didn't have God does give us governments, even if they're bad governments, because most governments are preferable to total anarchy.

00:17:11.000 You know, that's why Christians should obey the law of the land, for example.

00:17:17.000 Unless it's at odds with the law of God.

00:17:20.000 But yes, that is true.

00:17:23.000 But I think we have to differentiate between critiquing government and pointing out evils in it, and there are massive evils in it, to saying that the whole thing is evil by definition.

00:17:37.000 Well, what would you say then about this scripture?

00:17:42.000 When John says in Epistles 1, let me just find, I mean, of course, maybe Ephesians is a better place to go.

00:17:51.000 When Paul says in Ephesians, and I'm not in love with this Bible that I'm using here, I'm not sure what this translation is.

00:18:04.000 Excuse me, in fact, maybe I'll do it on a phone because even though I like the feeling of a Bible in my hand, Doc.

00:18:12.000 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

00:18:29.000 Yes.

00:18:30.000 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, you know.

00:18:32.000 Now, how I see that is you're in a war.

00:18:36.000 You are in a war.

00:18:38.000 Now, like, you know, we could say that sort of, yeah, contemporary, but I'd say, you know, man, I would say that that's, I, that's what I feel.

00:18:46.000 I feel that these institutions, both global corporate and bureaucratic, are tending towards evil.

00:18:54.000 Now, and another example, what I'd like to say is, you know, it can be, but the specific examples there were talking about spiritual powers, not human powers.

00:19:05.000 Well, in, okay, so then in John 1, 4, but those spiritual powers are being expressed, John, through human government.

00:19:16.000 You know, that's where they're being.

00:19:20.000 They can be, yes.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, and in, you know, Revelation, we're going to get it.

00:19:26.000 And like to your point about government earlier and anarchy, I would say prior to the Israelites being given a king, they were given judges.

00:19:34.000 And I think that that's a model of decentralized power.

00:19:38.000 I think that the beast, the beast of Revelation, is a behemoth of bureaucracy.

00:19:45.000 And I don't think it's a coincidence that when C.S. Lewis makes depictions of demons into the screw tape letters, he houses them in bureaucracies.

00:19:55.000 Well, I'm going to have to put you through to the department of this or that wormwood.

00:19:58.000 Bureaucracy is where that is, that is the thing.

00:20:01.000 What does globalism really want?

00:20:03.000 Globalism wants to tell you there is no God so that it can be God.

00:20:08.000 There is no God.

00:20:09.000 We're on the way to the one world government controlled by the man who is the beast of revelation.

00:20:13.000 Yeah.

00:20:14.000 Look at this.

00:20:15.000 So this is 1 John.

00:20:18.000 We know that we are from God and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

00:20:24.000 1 John 5, 19.

00:20:26.000 We know that we are from God and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

00:20:32.000 Okay, so like and so I would say that collectively from New Testament and it's like it comes off the back of when he's doing all that amazing stuff about love and God's love is in you and love one another.

00:20:43.000 And indeed at the end of it he says, little children keep yourselves from idols.

00:20:47.000 You know this like and I believe this now.

00:20:50.000 This is what well this is what I have been given.

00:20:52.000 This is what I've been given by our Lord since coming to Christ.

00:20:57.000 I've been shown this.

00:20:58.000 I've been shown this.

00:21:00.000 Self is the nexus and antennae of all false idolatry.

00:21:07.000 If you are in Christ, you cannot be in self.

00:21:10.000 As it says in Galatians, we must, I die on the cross with him and it's he that is reborn in me.

00:21:17.000 Now, none of us can maintain that state, that frequency, that field of awareness.

00:21:23.000 We all lapse back into the flesh or the mentality or whatever spiritual disruption Luciferianism amounts to.

00:21:33.000 I believe that the reason why in Luke 10, 18, he says, our Lord says to the hubristic returning disciples that have just been casting out demons, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

00:21:46.000 You will do many great things, for your names are written in heaven.

00:21:50.000 You will move among scorpions and you will cast out demons.

00:21:54.000 But remember, it's because your names are written in him.

00:21:56.000 And I believe that Eve's disobedience is the disconnect.

00:22:01.000 And that Satan, when Satan, or Lucifer, perhaps better, when Lucifer says, I want my own domain, that is the sin that we all commit.

00:22:12.000 I want to be Russell.

00:22:14.000 I want Russell to be God.

00:22:15.000 And why surrendering to Christ was so hard and seismic and strange for me, Dr. John, is that I didn't realize this.

00:22:24.000 I wanted to be Jesus.

00:22:26.000 I've always sort of believed in Jesus.

00:22:28.000 I had this tattoo of Jesus.

00:22:30.000 I knew the name of Jesus was powerful.

00:22:32.000 But I want to be in charge.

00:22:34.000 I want to be in charge.

00:22:35.000 And I still suffer from that now.

00:22:37.000 Today, I suffer from that. 0.99

00:22:39.000 But when he came to me in the brokenness, in the brokenness of my son having the heart surgery and the rape charges and allegations, all happening at once, God showed me all this is bullshit. 1.00

00:22:50.000 All of your fame and your sex, it's just total false idolatry. 1.00

00:22:53.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:22:54.000 Not only that, simultaneously, your boy is getting opened down the middle like Isaac or something. 1.00

00:23:00.000 It was unbelievable having to hand him over to anesthetists.

00:23:04.000 Like, because it was happening simultaneously, I had to sort of recognize that this, my boy, is somehow fundamentally different from all of the rape charges, which I know are not true, but also it's so weighty and awful and dark.

00:23:18.000 But look, it's sort of meaningless.

00:23:20.000 It's sort of meaningless.

00:23:22.000 And that was such a kind of a disruption of who I was that it sort of shut me down.

00:23:27.000 It's sort of like it broke the thread of what I thought I was.

00:23:31.000 And now I am truly reborn. 0.98

00:23:34.000 Not perfect, still flawed, still dumb, still self-interested, still an attention seeker, still sometimes even concupiscent. 0.95

00:23:43.000 But I'm not like he's that guy's dead. 0.99

00:23:45.000 Like that guy's dead already.

00:23:47.000 And like, and how I know it is, how I know it's true, is like, I'm, I'm having, if I like, you know, maybe in 2026, I'm going to be watching the World Cup in, you know, in the United States and Mexico and Canada.

00:23:57.000 Or maybe I'll be in jail ministering to other jailed men.

00:24:02.000 But that's God's will, God's will.

00:24:05.000 I'm dead already.

00:24:06.000 I belong to him.

00:24:07.000 I belong to him.

00:24:08.000 So, you know, John, I'm ready to go.

00:24:10.000 I'm ready to go.

00:24:11.000 And like, the more people we have that are in this state, you can't, you know, the reason that the Muslim threat was so terrible for a while is like, oh my God, we've got people that are willing to fly planes into buildings, even though I'm sure there's some complications to that story. 1.00

00:24:25.000 We've got people that are willing to die and cut off heads and desecrate stats. 0.83

00:24:29.000 You know, like they don't want that. 0.67

00:24:30.000 They want us locked into false idolatry of self, of like, oh, God, don't hurt me.

00:24:38.000 Maybe you're a bit hard on yourself.

00:24:40.000 I think you and me are probably more compulsive communicators, Russell.

00:24:46.000 We just seem to have this need to communicate.

00:24:50.000 Create community.

00:24:53.000 Yeah, but the more you go on in the Christian life, the more you realize your own sinfulness and the more you realize that Christ is just like, you know, just so beyond comprehension. 0.98

00:25:06.000 And the longer you go, the greater that gap becomes.

00:25:10.000 And to feel, you know, to feel like you're nothing is becoming closer and closer to reality.

00:25:19.000 You know, I can't remember who it was, but there was one missionary who said, I think it was one of the great missionaries on his tombstone he had written, a poor wretched worm on thy kind arms I fall.

00:25:32.000 You know, we can't do anything.

00:25:35.000 You know, you can't control your next breath any more than I can.

00:25:40.000 You know, it's to the longer you live, the more humble you become because the weaker that you realize that you are.

00:25:53.000 You know, we are not these great self-sufficient entities that maybe we thought we were for a period of time in our more complacent, arrogant youths.

00:26:04.000 This sense of dependency and absolute dependency upon him is also another facsimile laying before us by the state.

00:26:12.000 They want us dependent on them, dependent on them for information.

00:26:16.000 They almost want us to come to them as little children, innocent and trusting.

00:26:22.000 They make the demands of a God.

00:26:24.000 They are the counterfeit. 0.99

00:26:25.000 They are the beast. 0.99

00:26:27.000 I see it.

00:26:28.000 I understand it.

00:26:29.000 I know that what they want is to desecrate and decimate and annihilate the image of God that is in us, the hallmark that we bear right down to every single cell in our body, his signature across every helix.

00:26:41.000 They want to desecrate that so that they can become as God, a counterfeit God. 0.93

00:26:45.000 I recognize it.

00:26:46.000 I see it.

00:26:47.000 And in the boldness of someone like Candace Owens, you know, what I recognize now is the technology has gotten out of hand.

00:26:54.000 But that's a two-way street.

00:26:56.000 Like early adapters say, like Alex Jones, what I recognized, Doctor, is that the culture didn't, and you and I, all of us have been subject to this.

00:27:07.000 It doesn't know how, like, I mean online influencers, for want of a better term.

00:27:11.000 They don't know how to categorize or cope.

00:27:14.000 Like someone like Alex Jones, who one minute is saying untrue things about Sandy Hook, but another in the next minute saying things that are true.

00:27:21.000 In fact, I said it just today.

00:27:23.000 Infinite monkeys, it's happening now.

00:27:25.000 Infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of typewriters will eventually recreate the works of Shakespeare.

00:27:31.000 Good choice using a secular book, the complete works, you know, one of the great heights of secularism.

00:27:36.000 But they'll also, they'll recreate scripture.

00:27:39.000 They'll recreate absolute truth.

00:27:42.000 So you better get ready to decimate, smear, break down, shut down, because what you're getting now is Candice Owens is saying, well, if it says in the Bible that human institutions are captured by evil, and if I can work out that you're lying about the murderer of Charlie Kirk, then why don't we have a conversation?

00:28:02.000 And one side saying, we don't want a conversation, shut it down.

00:28:05.000 And the other side saying, give us all the facts, give us all the detail.

00:28:08.000 They don't want to be transparent.

00:28:10.000 So whether it's, you know, something relatively contemporaneous like the murder of Charlie Kirk or the assassination of JFK or the 9-11 attacks or the pandemic, about which you and I know a lot more, we know they were lying.

00:28:22.000 And they maybe, you know, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak or whoever was, you know, sort of migrating through office might have not have known the degree to which they were participating.

00:28:31.000 But it don't help that Rishi Sunak invested in the trust fund that set up Moderna and then while in government gives contracts to Moderna.

00:28:39.000 It's all starting to unfurl. 0.98

00:28:42.000 They're trying to see, can we kill this bloody machine before the machine kills us? 0.98

00:28:47.000 And I think, you know, the tool, the weapon of mass communication, we're in a scrap for who's going to get the shot off first. 0.51

00:28:56.000 Is it going to be the likes of us telling the truth so that it gets to a point where, you know, like where they can't maintain it anymore?

00:29:03.000 Or are they going to legitimize, as you've said, total control?

00:29:06.000 Oh, in order to stop, is it migration you care about?

00:29:09.000 In order to stop migration, we need ID cards.

00:29:11.000 In order to stop, you know, then we're not buying climate change no more.

00:29:15.000 So they've stopped, they've, you know, they're trying, they can't keep ringing that bell.

00:29:18.000 Oh, just control climate change.

00:29:20.000 Every sandwich you buy is going to have to be marked with the number of the beast and you're going to have to have that on your hand and that on your forehead before you make any purchases.

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00:30:41.000 This part of the conversation with John Campbell, it's really worth watching.

00:30:44.000 The guy gets deep.

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00:30:50.000 Here it is.

00:30:50.000 Let's get back into it.

00:30:51.000 Hey, this is what I want to ask you, Doc.

00:30:53.000 It's like, we know in practice, euthanasia exists because any kind, compassionate healthcare professional, when it gets to a certain point, they up the opiates, organ failure, out.

00:31:07.000 Euthanasia exists.

00:31:08.000 So why do they need to change the law to make euthanasia more explicitly available?

00:31:15.000 What do you think was going on there?

00:31:18.000 I don't think we should be changing the law.

00:31:22.000 When we are looking after patients in a terminal care situation, we have many strategies and methods that we can use to relieve their suffering and to relieve their pain.

00:31:35.000 Now, if someone's still got pain in a terminal care situation, typically what we can do, and this is done commonly, is we'll double the amount of opiates.

00:31:44.000 You know, if they've still got pain, we'll double them again.

00:31:47.000 We'll put them on a syringe driver that might contain sort of midazolam.

00:31:51.000 It might contain morphine, things to keep them calm, things to reduce the agitation.

00:31:59.000 Now, if you keep doubling the dose of morphine, you don't need to be a professor of pharmacology to realize that sooner or later that's going to stop your breathing.

00:32:09.000 But you know what I think the key thing is, is the motivation of the person giving it.

00:32:16.000 This is what I believe.

00:32:18.000 So if I give morphine and I'm doing that, or midazolam or whatever it is, if I'm doing that and the prime purpose in my mind is to end the life of that individual, to me that's euthanasia.

00:32:33.000 And I would consider myself a murderer if I deliberately tried to end someone's life.

00:32:38.000 But if I'm giving someone larger and larger doses of morphine via a syringe driver to keep them calm and to treat their pain, and as a result of those large doses, you get exactly the same effect in the brain that it switches off the respiratory center, then yes, that person will die.

00:32:57.000 But to me, that's not euthanasia or more murder because of the motivation that I used to give it.

00:33:04.000 And we've seen disasters of this going wrong in recent times, Russell.

00:33:11.000 Just looking at a paper last week by Wilson Tsai, an Australian analyst, brilliant mathematician and statistician.

00:33:21.000 And what he did was he looked at the amount of, you know, there is this change in the law in or change in the NICE guidelines.

00:33:28.000 The National Institute for Health and Care excellence.

00:33:33.000 It must be good.

00:33:34.000 Must be.

00:33:34.000 Sounds nice.

00:33:35.000 Sounds nice.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, they changed the guidelines in 2020 to give morphine and midazolam together.

00:33:43.000 Now, midazolam is basically like strong diazepam or strong valium.

00:33:48.000 It's a benzodiazepine.

00:33:50.000 And in large doses, that can depress respiration.

00:33:53.000 Morphine, everyone knows that can depress respiration.

00:33:57.000 I mean, one of my colleagues actually gave an injection of morphine to someone once and they stopped breathing.

00:34:02.000 You know, this really happens.

00:34:03.000 It was okay.

00:34:04.000 We got them started again.

00:34:05.000 It wasn't a problem.

00:34:07.000 They're in a proper care environment.

00:34:10.000 But when you give the two together, so how did that who signed off on that guideline that we'll give these two things together that depress the respiratory, the respiratory center?

00:34:22.000 And then people I've talked to who work not so much in hospitals, but in care home facilities, care facilities, old people facilities, chronic sick facilities in the community.

00:34:35.000 When their patients were getting COVID in 2020, very often what was happening, the nurses were getting the mobile phones out because the doctors weren't going.

00:34:44.000 They weren't allowed to go in in case they spread this dread lurgy all over the place.

00:34:49.000 And the consultations were taking place on the phone.

00:34:52.000 And as a result of that, doctors were often writing up end-of-life drugs.

00:34:56.000 Now, end-of-life drugs are absolutely brilliant.

00:35:00.000 When my dad was dying at home, the doctor came round and he wrote him up for a raft of end-of-life drugs.

00:35:05.000 And then when the district nurse comes round to see my dad, if it was time, then she would give him those drugs.

00:35:12.000 Now, thankfully, he didn't need them.

00:35:14.000 He died, you know, of natural causes.

00:35:16.000 The Lord just took him at the appropriate time.

00:35:19.000 But end-of-life drugs are brilliant.

00:35:21.000 But what was happening is people were getting COVID and they were being given end-of-life drugs.

00:35:27.000 So you've got a respiratory infection.

00:35:31.000 You've got morphine and you've got midazolam.

00:35:35.000 Now, you can work out, Russell, as a non-medic, that that is a bad combination.

00:35:39.000 All three of those are attacking the breathing, the oxygenation of the blood.

00:35:44.000 And people were dying as a result of that.

00:35:47.000 Now, what Wilson Tsai did, he tracked the amount of midazolam that was going out and he tracked the excess deaths.

00:35:56.000 And he found out that a month after the midazolam was going out, the excess deaths were rising.

00:36:03.000 But then when he put the excess deaths back a month to make them overlap, they were following each other like salt and pepper.

00:36:11.000 Wow.

00:36:13.000 That month delay.

00:36:14.000 So the midazolam and morphine, he didn't look at the morphine, he just looked at the midazolam.

00:36:19.000 The midazolam was going out a month later, especially in 2020, there was excess deaths.

00:36:25.000 And that gave the impression that COVID had a case fatality rate or an infection fatality rate of about 23%.

00:36:34.000 Now, later it turned out to be about 0.18%.

00:36:38.000 So the majority of these patients, in my view, in care facilities that died in 2020, if they'd just been supported and not given morphine and midazolam, the vast majority of those would have made a full recovery.

00:36:53.000 Now, I think there was a lot of national panic going on.

00:36:56.000 I'm not blaming the doctors and the nurses.

00:36:58.000 They were kind of following the procedure.

00:37:01.000 And there were some patients that would have died who were given a more comfortable death as a result of the end-of-life drugs.

00:37:07.000 But as well as that, as well as this, what is essentially euthanasia on a huge scale, that gave the impression that COVID was a particularly lethal infection.

00:37:18.000 23% infection.

00:37:19.000 Now, if COVID's this lethal infection, then we need to lock down society.

00:37:24.000 We need to mass vaccinate in a panic with untested vaccines.

00:37:29.000 You know, we need to start wearing masks all the time.

00:37:32.000 All those COVID restrictions, you could argue that many of them came in as a result of this artificially inflated infection fatality rate, when in actual fact, the lockdowns and the vaccinations didn't work against midazolam overdose, which was a big part of the problem.

00:37:52.000 So the fact that that is in the culture is really quite concerning.

00:38:00.000 And in Parliament, we've got these moves to the assisted suicide bill, the assisted dying bill, the bump-off old persons bill, whatever you want to call it.

00:38:09.000 I mean, the House of Lords are putting lots of amendments into it, but the current Parliament is minded to pass that.

00:38:17.000 And obviously, they're going to put in lots and lots of safeguards and it will all be very carefully done and it will be lots of clever doctors and lots of clever judges.

00:38:26.000 But of course, we heard all this in 1967 with David Steele's Abortion Act.

00:38:32.000 You know, that it was only going to be done in particular circumstances.

00:38:36.000 And now in the United Kingdom, we've had about 10 million abortions since 1967, 10 or 11 million, I think, over 11 million, which is a number that was never anticipated by the Act.

00:38:50.000 And I think that is the reason the country is in the state it is.

00:38:56.000 Because you either believe that the spiritual force is affecting a nation or you don't.

00:39:02.000 And you and me know that the spiritual force is affecting a nation.

00:39:06.000 You read the Old Testament.

00:39:08.000 There's some things God absolutely hates, idolatry, but one of them is the shedding of innocent blood.

00:39:16.000 Yeah, and in particular, the sacrifice of children.

00:39:20.000 And as I'm saying, Nineveh.

00:39:27.000 Jonah was sent to Nineveh and he preached against Nineveh and the people there repented in sackcloth and ashes, so God relented.

00:39:35.000 But unfortunately, I don't see that sort of repentance in our country at the moment.

00:39:40.000 And, you know, I think we're in this basically spiritual attack.

00:39:48.000 Yes.

00:39:52.000 As a result of what we've done.

00:39:54.000 So, you know, the fact that we've got what in my view is the most appalling parliament in my lifetime, you could argue we've gotten what we deserve.

00:40:05.000 Yes, a friend of mine remarked that an abortion does not stop you from being a mother.

00:40:11.000 It makes you the mother of a dead baby. 0.84

00:40:14.000 And that was a sort of a perspective that perhaps alludes to the level of suffering and despair that I mean, you know, if you mention this, people always say old men telling young women what to do with their bodies.

00:40:30.000 It's not that.

00:40:31.000 We have to decide at what point human life begins.

00:40:36.000 And before that, it's not a human life.

00:40:39.000 The point at which human life begins, it is a human life and therefore should have the protection that you and me have under the law.

00:40:48.000 And as Christians, we believe that what makes someone a human is not a particular stage of cleverness, not a particular stage of development.

00:40:57.000 It's that they bear the image of God.

00:41:00.000 And there's nothing that I can read of that indicates that the image of God is given incrementally.

00:41:06.000 You either have it or you don't.

00:41:09.000 So people need to decide at which point that is.

00:41:13.000 It's interesting.

00:41:14.000 To my mind, it has to be at conception.

00:41:16.000 I can't think of any other time to put it.

00:41:19.000 Otherwise, you could say, well, what about the day after?

00:41:21.000 What about 10 minutes before?

00:41:23.000 Indeed.

00:41:24.000 And when one considers the motivation, other than in the often listed cases that link so clearly to despair, it's, and, you know, I've been involved in abortions.

00:41:40.000 Let me be honest about that.

00:41:42.000 It's some form of false idolatry.

00:41:45.000 No, there's something I worship more than this actual biochemical, animal, divine, natural fact of my being.

00:41:56.000 And that is, I don't want to do this right now.

00:41:59.000 It's not a good time for me.

00:42:00.000 And we're not in a relationship.

00:42:01.000 Like, you know, like it's false idolatry.

00:42:03.000 And it begins, as I said earlier, with the self.

00:42:06.000 Now, but Doc, I mean, we're doing euthanasia, we're doing abortion.

00:42:10.000 But I'd love to do, I'd love to spend a bit of time, given that, in fact, our relationship, in a sense, begins with the fact that we were both somewhat high-profile commentators online during the COVID pandemic, who in different ways, I think, likely contributed to public opinion around these matters in real time.

00:42:37.000 Now, Now, in the years since the sort of peak pandemic, there have been a lot of significant revelations.

00:42:43.000 You've already touched upon one of them, the issue of end-of-life care to people that had a respiratory condition and the likelihood that that increased mortalities.

00:42:55.000 I would like to ask you, in the sort of subsequent couple of years, people are talking about a cancer spike across all populations, heart diseases in the young, children dying after vaccines, sudden death syndrome, miscategorization of statistics and deaths from and with COVID at the height of the pandemic, as well as more peripheral subjects like the way that this whole pandemic was reported,

00:43:22.000 the clandestine nature of drug companies and the data on the clinical trialing, the fact that there was never any trials for transmission.

00:43:34.000 I wonder, what do you believe, doctor, will be the single piece of data that provides a kind of tipping point where the majority of people will say, wait a minute, on reflection, we were lied to.

00:43:52.000 Something significant happened in that pandemic.

00:43:56.000 What do you think it will be?

00:43:58.000 Because at the moment, it's so diffuse and the kind of accumulative and incessant nature of ongoing despair, war here, migration there, means that it seems to me that the people of Britain and the people of America haven't significantly assessed what went on between 2019 and 2023.

00:44:18.000 And I wonder if you can point to a set of data or an object that you would say that, that there is the bullseye of what's just gone on.

00:44:33.000 The obvious one is correlating vaccination status against excess deaths.

00:44:41.000 Now, the British government were given the opportunity to release this just last month and they actually decided not to.

00:44:49.000 They closed that down.

00:44:50.000 They said they weren't going to release it because we know there's excess deaths and we know that vaccines were given.

00:45:02.000 What we don't know at what you call the participant level data is who had the vaccine and did they die?

00:45:10.000 And the government has refused to release that data.

00:45:14.000 Now, we believe that that data has been released to the pharmaceutical industry.

00:45:19.000 Where bits of data has appeared, like in Japan, for example, and also in Italy, it doesn't look good.

00:45:28.000 It looks like excess deaths were associated with vaccination.

00:45:33.000 Now, just a couple of days ago, I interviewed a renowned Italian scientist.

00:45:39.000 Let me get his name right.

00:45:42.000 His name was Panagius Polycritus.

00:45:45.000 Great name, Greek name.

00:45:48.000 And he's done quite a bit of work on this.

00:45:50.000 And what he found was that when someone was vaccinated for 15 days in Italy, and some places 21 days, but in Italy, it was 15 days.

00:46:03.000 For 15 days after they were vaccinated, they were counted as being unvaccinated.

00:46:10.000 It's a bit of a sly trick.

00:46:12.000 And the reason people did that is, okay, it takes time for the immune response to develop.

00:46:18.000 Now, if you're looking at the protective effect of vaccine, there's some rationale in doing that, that you wait till it works and then you look at how effective it's going to be.

00:46:29.000 Now, you and me know it wasn't very effective.

00:46:32.000 But the point is, a lot of the adverse reactions against vaccine occurred in that first few days after the vaccines were given.

00:46:40.000 So if someone was vaccinated and they died, say, a week later of myopericarditis or blood clots, then that death would have gone into the unvaccinated country.

00:46:54.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:57.000 So vaccinated people that died would have been counted as unvaccinated.

00:47:01.000 Now, what does that do to the death rate in the unvaccinated?

00:47:06.000 It appears to put it up.

00:47:08.000 Therefore, everyone needs a vaccine to protect them against dying in the unvaccinated status.

00:47:17.000 But we could get rid of all this ambiguity of the government would just release who was vaccinated and the death data on a participant level.

00:47:26.000 The reason, of course, they say that they don't do this is because it would breach confidentiality.

00:47:33.000 But I've talked to a former science minister, David Davis, still an MP, great guy.

00:47:41.000 And he assures me that there's ways to do this completely anonymously.

00:47:46.000 But the government is not doing it.

00:47:49.000 Now, I would hope that the Trump RFK set up in the States would start releasing that for the states.

00:47:59.000 But where there's glimpses of it in Japan and one or two provinces in Italy, it's not looking good.

00:48:05.000 So that is the key thing.

00:48:07.000 Now, we've got brilliant statisticians standing by waiting for this data, but it's not released.

00:48:14.000 So we don't know.

00:48:15.000 So we're left trying to piece bits and bobs together.

00:48:19.000 Why don't they release this data given that they've reduced it, released the pharmaceutical industry already?

00:48:25.000 So we can assume that the government knows, we can assume that the pharmaceutical industry knows.

00:48:30.000 But us hoiperloi, us plauditariat, us useless eaters, we're not given that information despite the fact that we have people with the expertise to analyze it within days and give us definitive answers.

00:48:46.000 And my hunch is they're going to fight not to release this data, at least through the lifetime of this parliament.

00:48:54.000 Now, if there's another government in the UK, if reform gets in, you would hope there's enough enlightened thinking there to release that data.

00:49:04.000 But government bureaucracies do tend to move rather slowly.

00:49:10.000 So the data's there, but we're not allowed it, which is a pity.

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00:50:03.000 One of the things I sort of understood somewhat instinctively as an adolescent is that the categories of top secret exist, I would happily say. 0.84

00:50:18.000 primarily to protect these institutions from a population that if they understood the depth and degree of deception to which they've been exposed would become non-compliant and quickly radicalized.

00:50:32.000 And I must say that I've learned very little in the subsequent 30, 40 years to suggest that that perception needs adjusting.

00:50:43.000 In fact, everything I've learned since then has been, yes, of course, while they're claiming protection either, because, well, if the Russians were ever to find out this or the Chinese, my heaven help us. 0.82

00:50:57.000 That seems less and less likely every day.

00:50:59.000 And indeed, I use this now to, Helmet, now that I know what happened in the pandemic, is that we were told we were being protected when in fact we were being controlled, I can apply it nearly ubiquitously with a kind of a spirit of non-separation to any issue.

00:51:14.000 So whatever the reason is for mass migration into the UK, and by the way, as a Christian, I believe we are one family under God and that is our duty to love and care for one another.

00:51:27.000 But whatever the reason is, it ain't because they're fleeing some war-torn land and we want to offer them safe harbor.

00:51:34.000 That I know.

00:51:35.000 And the same with abortion or euthanasia.

00:51:38.000 It ain't to protect women and their bodily autonomy. 0.99

00:51:42.000 It isn't to provide a safe and happy harbour and passage to the next world.

00:51:48.000 Whatever the reason is, it isn't what they're telling you.

00:51:52.000 It will at some point interface with, superficially, profit and dominion and control materially and measurably.

00:52:00.000 But again, to refer to an earlier part of our conversation, I believe ultimately we're dealing with a kind of prima materia of spirit that's difficult to discern.

00:52:12.000 And now where these things start to glom together, in my view, doctor, is we have people that are not gatekept entering into the public space like you.

00:52:23.000 And the job that you were able to do, and the reason my admiration for you began, was because of the type of man you are and the manner of your communication.

00:52:32.000 I.e., unlike me, you're not hyperbolic.

00:52:35.000 You're not aggressive when it comes to confrontation.

00:52:39.000 You're not evangelical or zealous in the ways that I am.

00:52:43.000 I know what my role is.

00:52:44.000 I know that my job is to generate some...

00:52:49.000 I'm in the generation business.

00:52:51.000 I want to direct the spirit that he has given me.

00:52:54.000 But I know that there's some people who are just going to look at him and say, oh, you know, he's become Christian since he's been charged with rape.

00:53:00.000 Look at him. 1.00

00:53:00.000 He's crazy. 1.00

00:53:01.000 Just a bunch of long words, methylene blue on his fingers. 1.00

00:53:04.000 He's a lunatic. 0.86

00:53:05.000 But with you, when you're sort of breaking, oh, that's interesting that they won't release that data. 0.98

00:53:11.000 Oh, that's peculiar that they were, those deaths are counted as unvaccinated.

00:53:15.000 Oh, how interesting that if you give people with a respiratory condition strong opioids, that shuts down respiratory function.

00:53:22.000 Like you're reaching people that would find me appalling, perhaps.

00:53:28.000 But the truth is this, is that we're in this environment now where whether it's Candice Owens, you know, like, you know, a cynic would say, perhaps, and I'll use myself because then it's less offensive, you know, that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

00:53:42.000 And I like the idea of the infinite number of monkeys typing out endless truths.

00:53:46.000 But the fact is, is look, taken collectively, you, Neil Oliver, you know, like the UK, the lad Robert Winston out of, you know, out of Mumford and son, there's a lot of people, our car, the people that, you know, trigonometry from across, you know, different political perspectives.

00:54:01.000 Not everyone's, you know, like a right wing, not everyone's Christian. 0.69

00:54:05.000 But collectively, there's this sense that, well, we just can't bloody trust the media.

00:54:10.000 We can't trust the government.

00:54:11.000 And it's obvious why you can't trust the media.

00:54:12.000 They're either funded by the state or funded by commercial interests or ultimately owned by ulterior or ultimate interests that mean that they can't tell people the truth.

00:54:22.000 Because all, you know, as George Collin said, where interests converge, no conspiracy is necessary.

00:54:27.000 But I believe there is a conspiracy.

00:54:29.000 And the conspiracy is to ensure that a significant number of people don't wake up to the reality that the technology now exists for us to have a greater influence in our own lives and our own politics.

00:54:40.000 There is no reason to stick with political models of 400 years ago where you need to send one guy on horseback to Westminster to represent your village.

00:54:50.000 There's no reason to have political ideologies that were a response to industrialization like communism or fascism.

00:54:55.000 We need political ideologies and movements that reflect the reality of our time. 0.95

00:54:59.000 Now, personally, I don't want to be cynical about it because I think there's a lot of good stuff with reform, say for example, but I don't, I think what it seems to me, even from a distance, Doc, is it's like, oh, I can see that what's happening now is Nigel Farage, people have got, shit, it's too late. 0.91

00:55:14.000 He is going to win something. 0.70

00:55:17.000 Get hold of that guy quick.

00:55:18.000 In the same way with Trump.

00:55:19.000 The Republican Party didn't want Trump in control. 1.00

00:55:22.000 First, they were like, oh, he's a maniac. 0.91

00:55:23.000 Then it's like, oh, my God, he's going to win. 0.69

00:55:25.000 How do we deal with this?

00:55:27.000 How do we morph around him?

00:55:29.000 How can we mitigate this loss?

00:55:31.000 You know, the person that fascinates me most, and I'm sure you must be fascinated too, is Secretary Kennedy, because I know him some, I love him, and I believe that he's some of a pedigree of fighting big corporations.

00:55:44.000 He's a human being.

00:55:44.000 He's flawed.

00:55:45.000 Of course he is.

00:55:46.000 But the way that he's been treated is like a litmus test of, oh, wow, now we've got someone that would come out and say, control big pharma, control big food, control big agriculture.

00:55:58.000 He's a person that I bet if he was in absolute charge would say localized food production.

00:56:03.000 Human beings should eat whole food grown or reared where it's being eaten.

00:56:08.000 Pharmaceutical industry can't regulate itself.

00:56:11.000 It needs to change radically.

00:56:12.000 But you also see that once these people are within these institutions, and it's a near miracle in the case of Kennedy in particular that he is, that once they're in that, you know, they are subject to a lot of, there's a lot of control in that area.

00:56:23.000 It's clear and obvious.

00:56:24.000 I'm not saying I don't know anything that other people don't know.

00:56:26.000 It's just bloody obvious.

00:56:28.000 So do you think and feel, Doc?

00:56:31.000 I know you'll be answering questions that you want to answer because I saw you take notes.

00:56:35.000 But I also want to ask, do you think that we're at a time where people might start looking at what we agree with each other about and being ready to advocate for actual systemic change rather than cutaneous alteration of the cut of the pigmentation of the party?

00:56:52.000 Well, people are going to go, it doesn't matter if it's reform or bloody labor.

00:56:57.000 You can see when someone matters enters the frame because they'll try and kill them or destroy them.

00:57:02.000 Jeremy Corbyn, clearly, one way or another, mattered.

00:57:06.000 He was clearly a volatile entity.

00:57:09.000 Or maybe Tommy Robinson.

00:57:11.000 It doesn't need to be left or right.

00:57:12.000 But when someone comes in that's actually creating polarity, it's energy.

00:57:17.000 And they don't want that.

00:57:20.000 Yep.

00:57:21.000 So just maybe the reason I took a few notes there is you go from one topic to the other, which is fine.

00:57:29.000 You've got a good collection of ideas.

00:57:30.000 The first one there was, I'm mentally ill.

00:57:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.93

00:57:35.000 Aren't we?

00:57:35.000 All Russell.

00:57:38.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:57:40.000 We have similar aims, but I think it's fair to say we have different styles, both of presentation.

00:57:48.000 You know, your hairstyle could do with a bit of improvement, you know, your dress sense could do with a bit of improvement.

00:57:53.000 You know, we're all different, but that's fine.

00:57:57.000 No, seriously, the media that you mentioned there is a big part of the problem.

00:58:03.000 Now, the BBC, for example, I kind of grieved for the BBC because the BBC of my youth, you know, you come home from school and you watch Blue Peter.

00:58:14.000 It was the height of, you know, it was the, you know, Valerie Singleton and John Noakes and Peter Purvis is the height of your day, you know.

00:58:21.000 And when I was abroad, you know, working on the on the in Thailand and Cambodia in the early 80s, you know, there was no internet then.

00:58:33.000 You tuned up this crummy old, well, I actually had quite a good one.

00:58:38.000 I had a nice Sony one.

00:58:39.000 Other brands are available.

00:58:41.000 Shortwave radio.

00:58:43.000 And on a good day, you would get DDD D D And this really serious voice would go, this is London.

00:58:55.000 And then you thought, you're going to get, and you got the BBC news and it was great.

00:59:00.000 You know, so why has it gone so far off?

00:59:04.000 Well, I think particular people have taken senior positions in the BBC and other organisations.

00:59:11.000 And the reason I don't think they are redeemable now is the fact that particular people with particular views are the only ones that have been appointed for the last 20 or 30 years, you know, for a generation of workers.

00:59:28.000 So, you know, the people that work for these organizations now, by definition, have particular views.

00:59:35.000 I think we're actually seeing the same in, for example, the judiciary.

00:59:40.000 You know, you need particular views now to be appointed to the judiciary.

00:59:44.000 And that is, you know, that is really concerning.

00:59:47.000 We've already got political appointments in the Crown Prosecution Service.

00:59:53.000 So the law, of course, you know, judges are brilliant people and there's lots of really good ones, but has there been a bias in the way that these people have been appointed that precludes people with a particular point of view?

01:00:07.000 I think is a question we need to talk about.

01:00:11.000 And you mentioned food there as well.

01:00:14.000 Control of food is, of course, everything.

01:00:16.000 Food should be produced as locally as possible.

01:00:20.000 And food should look like food.

01:00:22.000 It shouldn't really come out of a packet.

01:00:23.000 It shouldn't be ultra-processed.

01:00:25.000 And I'll just give you one example of that.

01:00:27.000 I've been working with a couple of scientists in the UK.

01:00:29.000 Well, I want to say I've been working with them.

01:00:31.000 I've been listening to them talk.

01:00:32.000 They did all the work.

01:00:34.000 And they've been looking at food additives, particularly folic acid.

01:00:38.000 So folic acid is put in everything.

01:00:42.000 And you'll talk to loads of people from the States.

01:00:44.000 You know, Joe Rogan, for example, says, you know, if he eats pizza in, I think is he in Florida now, wherever he, Texas, if he eats pizza in Texas, he says he feels ill afterwards, but he goes to Italy and he can pig out on pizza and he feels fine.

01:00:58.000 You know, is this because we're adding folic acid to all the flour in the United States?

01:01:03.000 Because these scientists have been working with, one's called Claire Craig, one's called Tim Kelly, but both great doctors.

01:01:13.000 They've worked out that folic acid is actually not a natural molecule.

01:01:17.000 Folic acid doesn't occur in nature.

01:01:20.000 And what folic acid does, it sits on cell receptors and it can actually block them up.

01:01:24.000 And that means the natural form, the folate, doesn't get into the cells.

01:01:29.000 So, the fact that we're giving all this extra folic acid to give what is actually B9 means that the cells are actually short of B9 in a substantial proportion of the population.

01:01:40.000 So, we've got this great irony where we are giving something to get rid of a deficiency, and that's actually causing a deficiency because we're jiggling around with all the food supply and all the additives and things like that.

01:01:53.000 You know, that is a real problem, and it's partly under political control.

01:01:59.000 The idea about systemically changing the political system, I agree with that to a large extent, but we need some form of governance.

01:02:13.000 And I'm kind of with Churchill on this.

01:02:16.000 You know, liberal democracy and the democratic government is an appalling, ridiculous form of government, but it's probably the best option we've got.

01:02:24.000 So, you know, I do believe in the principles of democracy.

01:02:27.000 It's a case of how those are exercised.

01:02:30.000 And we need to get rid of the vested interest that is controlling this.

01:02:35.000 If we had proper democracy at the most local level possible, in my view, this principle of subsidiarity, where decisions are taken as locally as possible, is the kind of change I would like to see.

01:02:49.000 And yeah, I agree with you completely.

01:02:51.000 I'm not saying that, yeah, okay, we've got a particularly bad parliament, a particularly bad government at the moment.

01:02:56.000 That's not a party-political saying, really.

01:02:59.000 It's just, I think anyone can see that.

01:03:02.000 You know, things are going pretty belly up in this country at the moment.

01:03:05.000 And I'm not saying a new government would necessarily change that because they're not going to change human nature.

01:03:10.000 No, of course not.

01:03:11.000 But it is going to be a human nature.

01:03:13.000 God can work through governments.

01:03:15.000 Yes, and it can be done.

01:03:18.000 Only with godly people, though.

01:03:20.000 And even the myth of secularism, I think, must be addressed.

01:03:24.000 You can't separate churches and state.

01:03:26.000 All you end up is a church of Satan deeply embedded in institutions of government, i.e., where is the ideology of current national government and global bureaucracies that have the power of government seated?

01:03:40.000 And where is it derived?

01:03:43.000 I'm talking about the influence of, say, NATO, WHO, WEF.

01:03:47.000 I know that's lesser, but it's still somewhat significant.

01:03:49.000 And whatever ulterior channels of power they're communicating through and expressing that power from.

01:03:55.000 And what I believe, when you say about subsidiarity there, that's precisely the, I think, where we agree.

01:04:01.000 And that's probably a better term than anarcho-syndicalism, certainly less incendiary.

01:04:06.000 And like, you know, I would say that what we have to do is explicitly declare that, you know, we already have the art of somewhat the infrastructure and architecture, local councils, mayoralty.

01:04:20.000 In this country where I am, we have states and we have governors.

01:04:25.000 And I would say that if the principle, the principle, the system must be formed around a principle.

01:04:30.000 If the principle were maximum subsidiarity, if the principle were maximum democracy, not minimum, not the maximum porous machine through which all sorts of influence can be exerted.

01:04:44.000 In this country, you could make clear changes overnight by saying, we're not accepting any political donations and we're not having lobbying anymore.

01:04:52.000 That's gone.

01:04:53.000 That's over.

01:04:54.000 Then you would start to see all sorts of crazy fluctuations.

01:04:57.000 And then I would say, wherever possible, maximally empower states to pass their own laws.

01:05:03.000 And in our country, the UK, we could have empowered mayors, empowered councils.

01:05:09.000 And what about, by the way, Doc, referenda?

01:05:11.000 For example, if we held a referendum on do you want those figures released, yes or no, as you said, David Davis said, maximally and not anonymized.

01:05:24.000 Do you want that?

01:05:25.000 Yes or no?

01:05:26.000 We're pretty sure you're going to get yes back.

01:05:27.000 Right.

01:05:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:29.000 Do it like you know, and what they do is they prevent those democratic principles.

01:05:33.000 If you've got the technology by which Uber and Airbnb can ultimately aggregate centralized but simultaneously decentralized taxi cabs and the rental of a hotel room, why can't you use that same technology to empower a community to say, right, this is your budget?

01:05:50.000 I'm your leader, so I would suggest we send this much on sewage, this much on roads, this much on ULES cameras or the removal of ULES cameras, and this much on XYZ.

01:06:01.000 But you guys, you vote.

01:06:02.000 You might have different concerns.

01:06:04.000 And of course, you can have a degree of representation because I've participated in some organizations that are somewhat based on, you know, through my anonymous, what do I want to say, address of my personal problems around drugs and alcohol.

01:06:17.000 These groups are run fully democratically.

01:06:20.000 And my God, it's slow.

01:06:23.000 It's boring.

01:06:24.000 You have to listen to everyone's opinion.

01:06:26.000 It doesn't matter if you're charismatic and can talk quick.

01:06:29.000 They'll shut you right down.

01:06:30.000 My opinion's no more important than anybody else's.

01:06:33.000 And that's why I believe it should be.

01:06:35.000 And then what do you have to change?

01:06:36.000 The idea, you have to get rid of the myth of progress, that false idol of progress.

01:06:41.000 Yes, there's been progress in technology.

01:06:43.000 Yes, there's been progress in medicine, but who's benefiting from it?

01:06:47.000 What is the principle that really underlies progress in both of those areas?

01:06:51.000 Profit.

01:06:52.000 Maximum profit in medicine.

01:06:54.000 Maximum profit in technology. 0.98

01:06:56.000 The idea that this has become a disposable artifact is bloody ridiculous.

01:07:00.000 You should have one cell phone, should last you for the rest of your life. 0.74

01:07:03.000 That's your cell phone done.

01:07:05.000 And like, you know, if people want to buy stuff, but the bewildering advent of total consumerism, it has to be stemmed.

01:07:13.000 Gandhi said this, you know, at the point when our country left India, he said there's no point kicking out the British and then replicating their systems.

01:07:22.000 India is a country of 70,000 villages.

01:07:25.000 Each one should be fully autonomous where possible, trading only where necessary.

01:07:29.000 And what happened?

01:07:31.000 When Britain did get kicked out of India, Nehru gave the speech about India's independence.

01:07:37.000 We're a free country now.

01:07:38.000 Guess what language he gave that speech in?

01:07:42.000 English.

01:07:43.000 Nothing changed.

01:07:44.000 They just got Nehru jackets instead of bowler hats.

01:07:47.000 And the same thing's happening again and again and again everywhere.

01:07:50.000 But now we have the technology to communicate and the technology to implement.

01:07:54.000 And if we do our jobs as Christians, as servants of Christ, knowing we're only here for fleetingly, we're dying anyway, and are willing to love one another as he loved us, which means to the point of death, if necessary, lay down our lives for our friends, then the change will happen. 0.97

01:08:12.000 But I don't think it can happen when all you believe in is maximum number of blowjobs and sugar. 0.96

01:08:18.000 I've tried both those methods. 0.99

01:08:22.000 The idea that progress is inevitable does seem really quite ridiculous.

01:08:27.000 You know, people say in this day and age, as if human beings are any different, you know, they're exactly the same.

01:08:33.000 We just have more things, more gizmos.

01:08:37.000 But just now, what we've got in terms of that technology is we've got an exponential increase in what it can do.

01:08:45.000 The classic example is artificial intelligence, isn't it?

01:08:48.000 You know, when artificial intelligence is teaching itself, you get exponential increase.

01:08:53.000 And technology, in my view, is being used as a modality of control.

01:08:58.000 So at the moment in the UK, they are trying to, well, they are rolling out facial recognition cameras in every city, town, and perhaps village in the United Kingdom.

01:09:12.000 Now, this is good if you want to catch criminals and you can trust the government.

01:09:18.000 That's good.

01:09:20.000 But of course, that's predicated on the idea that you can trust the government.

01:09:23.000 And to tell you the truth, I don't.

01:09:25.000 No.

01:09:26.000 You know, you know, if if they roll out social recogn facial recognition software, that'll be good because it will pick up a few criminals, like DNA testing did.

01:09:35.000 You know, that that's good and it will deter some crimes.

01:09:40.000 But the government, it's like a it's like a cog, you know, once it's clicked round and it sort of jams into place, you know, it won't go back again.

01:09:51.000 So once it's been rolled out, it won't go back again.

01:09:54.000 And we could end up with a government that's even more totalitarian than we are now.

01:10:00.000 And the modality of control is there.

01:10:02.000 Combine that with the control of finances.

01:10:05.000 So, you know, there's a lot of movements to get rid of cash.

01:10:08.000 I think we've talked about this before.

01:10:10.000 You know, people want to get rid of cash.

01:10:12.000 So you use credit cards.

01:10:13.000 So what's the problem? 1.00

01:10:14.000 Well, stupid people like me, Russell, you know, I'm always losing my wallet. 1.00

01:10:19.000 I don't know about you. 1.00

01:10:20.000 I drive my wife mad. 0.98

01:10:21.000 It was in my wallet.

01:10:22.000 I can't find my wallet.

01:10:24.000 You know, I should have one of them air tag things in it. 0.98

01:10:27.000 So really, wouldn't it be more convenient for stupid people like me, instead of having a credit card in your wallet, just put a little one under there or under there? 0.98

01:10:37.000 You know, just planning, it will be only the size of a grain of rice. 0.99

01:10:41.000 And then I could just scan everything.

01:10:44.000 And of course, the interesting thing about that is once you get to that level of technology, it'd be like these buses that we have, these Chinese buses that can be switched off.

01:10:54.000 So someone could say, well, you know, I saw John Campbell there on that facial recognition software.

01:10:59.000 And he was talking to that scallywag, Russell Brand. 1.00

01:11:02.000 You know, he needs punishment for that.

01:11:04.000 Tell you what I'm going to do.

01:11:05.000 I know where he is now.

01:11:07.000 He wants to go to that pub for a pub lunch.

01:11:09.000 I'll tell you what I'm going to do.

01:11:10.000 I'm going to switch off his credit card.

01:11:13.000 And then you go to donk yourself.

01:11:15.000 And the barmaid says, well, sorry, John, that's not working.

01:11:19.000 And, you know, if you have no cash, so we're in that situation where that prophecy could be fulfilled.

01:11:24.000 No man may buy or sell.

01:11:27.000 He has the number of the beast.

01:11:28.000 And I bet the barmaid will be an AI robot. 1.00

01:11:31.000 She'll probably shoot you with sort of a two-ronny style bullet gun out of the boobies like my wife Katie Perry had in numerous pop videos. 1.00

01:11:39.000 Hey, do you know this? 0.99

01:11:40.000 I do hope not.

01:11:41.000 That's the way it's going, John.

01:11:43.000 Like that.

01:11:44.000 In Forbidden Facts by my dear great friend Gavin DeBecker, he talks about, and if you don't know him, you should.

01:11:51.000 You should meet him.

01:11:52.000 I know he's a fan of yours.

01:11:55.000 He says, but this is sort of terrifying, is that, of course, by then it would be centralized digital currencies anyway.

01:12:03.000 So they'd be able to change the value of your money.

01:12:06.000 They'd be able to shut down your finances.

01:12:08.000 They'd be able to social credit score you into being able to travel or not travel.

01:12:13.000 Total, total control.

01:12:14.000 The aim is total, total control.

01:12:17.000 He said also that once they've normalized vaccines for everything, that they would just, you would just receive a notification saying you are to attend, go to your local pharmacy to receive an injection.

01:12:28.000 And we don't know that you and me would be even getting the same injection.

01:12:31.000 They might say that Russell Brand, he's a bit caffeinated and a bit methylene blued up.

01:12:34.000 He's talking too quickly.

01:12:36.000 Shut him down.

01:12:37.000 Dr. John Campbell, he's too reasonable.

01:12:40.000 He could do with a good dose of adrenochrome or adrenaline or something.

01:12:45.000 So the next time you're matter, when you're on your show, you'll be all like frantic and you'd sound like me.

01:12:52.000 Lose your audience.

01:12:54.000 Yeah.

01:12:55.000 I think that I think there is a tendency towards more centralized control.

01:13:00.000 You know, I think the book of Revelation is talking about a one world government eventually, or at least, you know, global control.

01:13:08.000 And we're moving towards that.

01:13:10.000 Because I actually do believe in the concept of the nation state.

01:13:14.000 And I think that's what's being I think that's what's being attacked at the moment.

01:13:17.000 It's being undermined.

01:13:19.000 You know, Keir Starmer famously was asked, you know, what's more important?

01:13:22.000 Is it Westminster or Davos?

01:13:24.000 without hesitation said Davos.

01:13:26.000 You know, these people seem to be more internationalists than national leaders.

01:13:34.000 And that's moving towards something.

01:13:38.000 I mean, it may not be in our lifetimes, but it's moving in that direction.

01:13:42.000 And you could argue that it's inevitable, but it's also quite concerning.

01:13:49.000 No, we're at war, Doc, and we will win.

01:13:52.000 Thank you so much for staying up.

01:13:54.000 When I come to our country again, I would love to see you.

01:13:58.000 Oh, heck, yeah.

01:13:59.000 Yeah, come. 0.83

01:14:00.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 It's supposed to be going toe walking sometime.

01:14:03.000 I would love that.

01:14:04.000 When I saw you and I think your son in Kagul's, I thought, oh, bliss. 1.00

01:14:09.000 Dr. John's got the balance.

01:14:11.000 Walking the dog out on a country lane.

01:14:13.000 What could be better?

01:14:15.000 What could be better?

01:14:16.000 I wish I did have the balance, Russell.

01:14:19.000 Really?

01:14:20.000 Yeah.

01:14:22.000 No, I wouldn't say I've arrived.

01:14:25.000 No, no, maybe not.

01:14:26.000 Maybe not.

01:14:27.000 I suppose not.

01:14:29.000 Well, I love you.

01:14:29.000 Thank you.

01:14:30.000 Don't suppose we ever will.

01:14:32.000 No, maybe in the next one.

01:14:34.000 Hey, thanks, Doc.

01:14:35.000 I love you.

01:14:36.000 Thanks for making time.

01:14:37.000 Stay in touch with me, won't you?

01:14:38.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 Yeah, we've all got the WhatsApp thing.

01:14:43.000 That's right, darling.

01:14:45.000 Yeah.

01:14:46.000 You lovely old granddad.

01:14:49.000 I am a granddad.

01:14:52.000 Three of them now, yeah.

01:14:53.000 When you say things like bits and bobs and what's happy thing, people know that they're dealing with, and even barmaid in this day and age, we know we're dealing very much with a granddad.

01:15:03.000 Yeah, you're giving your, yeah.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, yeah, I use all that sort of what's the word?

01:15:11.000 I don't know, descriptive descriptive terms, onomatopoeic terms or something.

01:15:16.000 Yes, yes.

01:15:18.000 Anytime you can't quite think of the technology or the correct, the correct name for it.

01:15:24.000 I love you, Doc.

01:15:25.000 I've got to jump off and do something.

01:15:27.000 Sure, man.

01:15:28.000 Praise the Lord.

01:15:29.000 Yep.

01:15:29.000 Absolutely.

01:15:30.000 Thank you.

01:15:30.000 Take care.

01:15:31.000 See you, Russell.

01:15:32.000 Right.

01:15:32.000 Bye.

01:15:32.000 Thank you.

01:15:32.000 Bye.

01:15:35.000 All right, guys.

01:15:36.000 Thanks for joining us.

01:15:37.000 Remember, get Rumble Premium if you can.

01:15:38.000 I'd love that.

01:15:40.000 And hey, read this book.

01:15:41.000 This is a good book.

01:15:42.000 And be nice to people.

01:15:44.000 You know, try that.

01:15:45.000 Try being nice to people.

01:15:47.000 Be nice to them and at them, but also be yourself.

01:15:50.000 So you've got to make yourself nice. 0.73

01:15:52.000 Otherwise, the niceness will be hypocritical.

01:15:53.000 That'd be no good.

01:15:54.000 All right.

01:15:55.000 Praise the Lord.

01:15:55.000 Praise Jesus.

01:15:56.000 Thanks for watching this.

01:15:57.000 We're back with another show on Friday.

01:15:59.000 It's going to be pretty brilliant, I think.

01:16:00.000 And this is what I look like.

01:16:01.000 Praise the Lord.

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