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00:02:14.000Oh In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:02:31.000Thanks for joining me for a very special Friday edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:36.000We've got a brilliant conversation with RFK Bobby Kennedy, the man who's changed the complexion of the election.
00:02:42.000How can you maintain the vote for the Democratic Party is anything other than a vote for the establishment now that Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy have joined the Trump campaign?
00:02:51.000Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with me that this is an opportunity to disrupt the bizarre teleology of the beast, We're good to go.
00:03:46.000It's fantastic. Bobby Kennedy's coming up in a minute.
00:03:48.000But you can see me and Jordan Peterson talking about Christ, Christianity, and what What the archetypes are behind this current moment, where wherever you are in the world, there appears to be a conflict between nationalism and globalism.
00:04:00.000Is it possible for nationalism to become inclusive?
00:04:02.000Is it possible that it could become the fulcrum of new conditions of subsidiarity, where we have new broken down, I don't want to say Soviets, that's not a good word, communities that are fully autonomous, self-governing through electoral democracy?
00:04:35.000We're omnipotent organisations that censor and surveil according to their agenda are very much a part of the challenge that we are facing together.
00:04:44.000I've got a few things that I want to pick up on.
00:04:46.000Did you see Joe Rogan and Callie Means talking about the trivialisation of this election campaign when it's obviously super significant?
00:04:54.000Let me know what you think about this in the Awaken Wonder chat.
00:04:56.000Let me know if you're watching us on Rumble right now.
00:04:57.000Even if you're watching us on YouTube, we're a You better turn on the notification bell or you just won't know what we're doing.
00:05:02.000You've got to let me know what you think about the trivialisation of this election and the constant recourse to the idea that somehow what we're dealing with is a Nazi Donald Trump.
00:05:11.000Is that what nationalism means these days?
00:05:28.000And my prayer is that it is possible, of course.
00:05:31.000That's why we're devoted to having conversations that educate us.
00:05:35.000That's why we're doing the Oracle series that's only available on Locals.
00:05:39.000Episode 1, we talked about the pandemic with brilliant experts like Robert Malone and Pierre Corey.
00:05:43.000And Episode 2, Mike Benz got together with Kim Iverson and Max Blumenthal to talk about the nature of the state and the deep state and war.
00:05:54.000You will love that conversation. There's a link in the description telling you how you can watch that Oracle season right now.
00:05:59.000But first of all, let's have a look at this.
00:06:02.000The trivialisation and the accusations of Nazism that have surrounded Trump since he came down the old golden escalator.
00:06:35.000There's no way you can revere the Nazis.
00:06:37.000It was a dismal, dismal, murderous and insane project.
00:06:41.000He's read his book. He used to say he had it on his nightstand.
00:06:44.000Donald Trump has had a very sinister philosophy, wanting to be a dictator, absolutely dividing people up based on who they are, based on factors about them that have to do with their race and their gender, etc.
00:06:59.000And when he uses language like this, I don't think that it's a Freudian slip.
00:07:04.000I think that the danger of a Donald Trump is that he would absolutely try to exterminate an entire group of people because he thinks that their genes are somehow different than his and faulty.
00:07:16.000And I say this with all the sternness that you hear in my voice.
00:07:19.000That's so weird. They've gone so far with that idea.
00:07:22.000Did he say that? Has he actually said that?
00:07:24.000It was so extraordinary. On one hand, there's the absolute trivialisation of this election campaign.
00:07:29.000Mad little anecdotes, stupid dumb stories.
00:07:33.000And on the other hand, there's this kind of reprehensible escalation of the threat of ultimately an independent libertarian politician couched within the post-Tea Party Republican movement, forming alliances with other independents like Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy, which is obviously a disruption to the bureaucratic globalism that's been defining politics from Clinton onwards or Blair onwards in my country that was not interrupted by Trump.
00:07:56.000A Bush administration or successive conservative governments in my country.
00:09:08.000I've been on those shows, Stephen Colbert.
00:09:10.000He's a Catholic. He's a... Good man, I'm sure I'm convinced of it, but you know what it's like when you're in the insidious tendrils of that beast?
00:09:17.000You have to believe what it believes, otherwise you'd have to break away, become independent, oppose the machine, believe in people, believe in the power of transcendence.
00:10:49.000You'll be familiar, of course, with the work of Guy Debord, who said that what we're living in is a set of illusions anymore, that you can't feel reality or truth, can't feel a visceral or spiritual truth, because they're masking that, they're changing it.
00:11:03.000Here's a conversation between Callie Means and Joe Rogan.
00:11:07.000This is all before we get to Bobby Kennedy, by the way.
00:11:08.000This conversation about RFK is amazing, because I believe what I love about RFK... She's authentic.
00:11:14.000Have a look at this conversation between Callie Means, who's done more than anyone to help us understand the horrors of big food and how big food, in a sense, tee you up for big pharma, and Joe Rogan, who's done more for independent media than Joe Rogan.
00:11:25.000Anyway, in this conversation between these two, I would argue brilliant men, we get an insight into the trivialisation of the electoral campaign while we hover dangerously close to personal and maybe even global death.
00:11:39.000Trump wants this to be a generational issue for him.
00:11:42.000And I just want to say something. I think we're at a big moment here.
00:12:31.000They can't form another government, can they?
00:12:34.000Of course they can't. The reason that they seem so peculiarly powerless, odd vassals and empty ciphers is because the power is coming from somewhere else.
00:13:08.000That are explicit and open, believe in free speech, care about health and generally speaking are anti-war and I pray that it can become total anti-war as the total policy for that new movement.
00:13:18.000It's got to be better than the sort of sub-three, like the three letter agencies below them, FBI, CIA. They're not going to be marshaled, drained in under a Kamala Harris presidency, and the bizarre bureaucracies above them, I'm talking about globalist bureaucracies, specifically NATO, WHO, WF, they're not going to be opposed by that Democratic Party movement.
00:13:40.000Think about the pandemic. They're part of the confluence of that funnel of dark power.
00:13:45.000That's just what I think, though, of course.
00:13:47.000Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:13:48.000Seeing, you know, from my small vantage point inside, there is tremendous Connection of these two men and moral clarity of seeing what's happening.
00:14:00.000And my question is this, and to anyone kind of considering voting in this election, Trump is going to say stupid shit.
00:14:09.000There's two important questions to ask.
00:14:11.000Who sees this corruption and institutional capture that's going to destroy our country, I think, to an existential level?
00:14:18.000And who is willing to suffer that blowback?
00:14:21.000Who is willing to go up against these military industrial complex, the healthcare industrial complex, the education industrial complex that's making us a non-competitive They are ready.
00:14:43.000That, to me, is the foundational question.
00:14:45.000And I do consider this the most important election of my lifetime, watching these two men, because it is so genuine.
00:14:52.000And there is a genuine desire To truly transform, to see our broken corruption and institutions for what it is, and really, truly, I think, prevent nuclear war and dramatically reverse our health crisis.
00:15:10.000Trump has said that his one big mistake last time was personnel, was that the pharma and the ag slithered in and gave him the list of names.
00:15:19.000Everybody should ask, do you think RFK is going to have an influence on those names based on what Trump has said?
00:15:24.000And I think he is. And I think people like Elon are going to be involved.
00:15:27.000I think there's this coalition of people that are coming together and Trump's going to put in power and listen to.
00:15:35.000And no matter what happens, we have to solve this issue.
00:15:38.000But I will say this so clearly with the most conviction I can.
00:15:43.000We will... Be on the verge, I think, of a health population collapse, societally destabilizing event unless true executive leadership sees this corruption and this issue for what it is and says we need a radical transformation in how we see agriculture and how we see health, our two largest industries. I think we have to have that.
00:16:03.000And every single member of Congress I meet with, including Democrats, say that in order for this issue to get done, we need a president to make this the priority to talk because that gives us air cover and there could be transformational change if a president does that.
00:16:15.000So that's what I've seen from being in this.
00:16:17.000And I can tell you, President Trump has kept every promise to RFK and deeply cares about this issue.
00:16:23.000Well, that just seems like common sense, doesn't it?
00:16:58.000If the Democratic Party hadn't become a hollowed-out vassal for corporatist, globalist and deep state power, they would have made that dude their nominee.
00:17:21.000Anti-establishment, anti-big business, anti-corporatism, anti-globalist candidates can come from all over the place.
00:17:28.000As long as they're not talking about centralising the power of the state, facilitating the power of corporatism to the degree where it becomes globalist power, i.e.
00:17:37.000are transcendent and big enough to maneuver and control whole nations.
00:17:41.000If you want an example of that, look at the Ukraine-Russia war and look at who's
00:17:45.000benefiting from that. Look at Halliburton's role in it, look at Blackrock's
00:17:48.000role in it, look at where power might truly lie. If you want to oppose that, you've got to
00:17:53.000start thinking independently. If you want to oppose that, you've got to start thinking
00:17:56.000spiritually. But that's just what I think. Why don't you let me know what you think in
00:18:00.000If you're watching this on YouTube, turn on the notification bell.
00:18:02.000It's the only way they're ever going to let you know that we're here because they're part of this globalist machine.
00:18:06.000That's why there's any antitrust lawsuits going on all over the place.
00:18:10.000They have to strangle true free voices and thinkers like you.
00:18:16.000Okay, guys. Now, I'm so excited to introduce our guest today, Bobby Kennedy.
00:18:21.000I believe he's Has the power to change the course of history, certainly when it comes to this election, and this is the most candid conversation I've ever had with him.
00:18:58.000That the bureaucracy indicated by, say, Kafka or Huxley, and most obviously Orwell, is being augured and introduced.
00:19:07.000That the continual threat that we are presented with, by we, I mean people who consume media, is that we have to be wise and aware of the militaristic dictator.
00:19:16.000Strongman archetype emerging and seizing a stranglehold over an enthralled population beleaguered by charisma.
00:19:25.000But I've felt for a while that there's this banalization, this bureaucratization of culture, this desacralization.
00:19:34.000A person with a cultural background that I come from, a person that's like...
00:19:39.000You know, love Martin Luther King or Gandhi or Malcolm X and even people that I'm so struggled to put in the inventory knowing some of the people that will be watching this.
00:19:50.000Like all of the people, all the people that get iconoclastically attacked for their obvious and many failings but nevertheless somehow represent rebellion and standing up to the establishment.
00:19:59.000It's been very hard for me to sort of learn over time that this is a very important and significant election.
00:20:05.000When you were running as an independent, it was clear you were making a great impact for the many, many people that feel that the nationalistic aspects of the MAGA campaign were offputting, even though I personally can understand why nationalism would be a response to globalism.
00:20:20.000It's pretty obvious why that would be the case.
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00:21:32.000You, joining Trump's campaign, supporting Trump, overcoming the many evident and I suppose obvious differences has meant that I now know what my junior and peripheral role is.
00:21:48.000It's to advocate for an anti-establishment movement that has a chance to disrupt something that I feel that if it were to remain uninterrupted, could bring about an unprecedented level of control.
00:22:03.000What kind of personal challenges have you faced in making this movement?
00:22:07.000And what now is your message to the many, many people across America, if polls are to be believed, that supported your independent candidacy?
00:22:17.000Yeah, let me begin by just commenting on something that has puzzled me, because my whole generation I grew up reading Aldous Huxley and George Orwell and Arthur Kessler and Solzhenitsyn and Robert Heinlein and all these other, I would call them almost philosophers or political philosophers, who were warning us about the advent of this kind of system, that this would happen one day.
00:22:52.000And we all looked at that and said, yeah, maybe in 200 years or something like that.
00:22:59.000But that generation that grew up with me, the baby boom generation, who are very well educated, this is before we discontinued civics lessons in American classrooms.
00:23:11.000We know better. And the extraordinary phenomena to me is how the capacity for critical thinking Has been so overwhelmed and subverted in that entire generation that they're not seeing any of this stuff happen.
00:23:34.000They went around along with COVID, which was just, looked like in many ways a psyops program with orchestrated fear using to disable the capacity for critical thought.
00:23:50.000And then now those same mechanisms are being used to get them to support Kamala Harris, a person who was not elected, to get them to ignore the fact that the Democratic Party abandoned elections.
00:24:05.000There was a palace coup against Joe Biden.
00:24:08.000First of all, Joe Biden's group disabled the elections to make sure that people like myself could not run against him, so there was no Democratic primaries.
00:24:18.000And then the kind of faux election that took place, of course, he won all the primaries because they had fixed them in very, very obvious and undeniable ways.
00:24:30.000But then he then had a palace coup against him, and Kamala was put in there without any pretense that she was ever elected.
00:24:39.000And yet the Democrats are able to tell themselves that they are Destroying or abandoning democracy in order to save it from the much greater threat which is Donald Trump.
00:24:51.000And people who support Kamala Harris rarely do it because they support any of her policies which are still unknown.
00:24:58.000She's never been forced to articulate them.
00:25:01.000They're supporting her because of the terror of Donald Trump.
00:25:06.000And this is, you know, that he is going to become a dictator, it will be the end of democracy, that, you know, the republic will be destroyed if he gets in there.
00:25:16.000You see this again and again and again.
00:25:19.000And it's created this atmosphere of kind of violence against him, but also this extraordinary phenomenon where Democrats have walked away from their core values, which were when I grew up in the Democratic Party.
00:25:37.000The Democratic Party was the party of civil rights, of constitutional rights, freedom of speech.
00:25:43.000The word liberal is derived from a term meaning freedom of speech.
00:25:49.000My uncle, my father loved the fact that our country was not as scared of debate, that the policies that we embraced were policies that had been annealed in the furnace of debate and then triumphed in the marketplace of ideas.
00:26:06.000We were the party, the anti-war party, and my father ran against the Vietnam War.
00:26:12.000My uncle John F. Kennedy said that the principal job of a president of the United States is to keep the country out of war.
00:26:21.000His term in office was one of the first times in modern history that we never sent anybody, a combat veteran, a combat troop abroad to fight.
00:26:31.000He resisted his military industrial complex and intelligence apparatus, their pleadings.
00:26:39.000That he go into Laos in 1961, that he go into Cuba in 1961, that he go into Berlin in 1962, Checkpoint Charlie Crisis, that he go into Berlin in 1963, or that he send combat troops to Vietnam, which he refused to do.
00:26:55.000And this was the history of the Democratic Party.
00:26:57.000We were the anti-war party, and now we are the party of war.
00:27:02.000It is the Democratic Party that created the Ukraine conflict, which is The war that should have never happened.
00:27:09.000And where now you have this weird situation where Dick Cheney Who was the greatest villain to the Democratic Party.
00:27:20.000He was the guy who gave us the Patriot Act.
00:28:46.000The Democratic Party has become the party of big tech, big ag, big pharma, We're good to go.
00:29:07.000The half-voted Republican own only 70% of the wealth in this, or 30% of the wealth, where the half that voted Democrat owns 70% of the wealth.
00:29:17.000You've had this complete inversion of the Democratic Party, and a lot of it, and the alliance now between the Democratic Party and the intelligence agencies is something that I could have never believed would happen.
00:29:29.000I think you had 50 CIA agents endorsing Vice President Biden, two weeks ago, when she gave her very belligerent, you know, imperium speech at the Democratic Convention calling for U.S. hegemony around the globe, which is completely undemocratic impulses, She was preceded immediately in her speech by a former CIA director, Leon Panetta, who spoke before.
00:30:03.000And that is something that could have never happened in the Democratic Convention.
00:30:07.000You had military generals speaking in that convention.
00:30:10.000Oh, it's become the party of the neocons.
00:30:43.000It's very troubling to see people who are rational people who you've known your whole life Who are now embracing these ideas that we would have called fascistic.
00:30:54.000You know, the term fascism means a merger of state and corporate power.
00:31:00.000And that seems to be the general theme of the Democratic Party.
00:31:25.000You know, my father was a populist, and populism has two potentials.
00:31:31.000One is a very idealistic potential, like my father demonstrated, and the other is, you know, populist movement can be hijacked by demagogues and be used to serve very, very dark purposes.
00:31:45.000But it's a natural response to the globalism that's happening because people want local control and local democracy and they feel that their sovereignty is being taken away from them.
00:31:58.000Now, you know, in Europe has changed dramatically.
00:32:01.000There is no freedom of speech in Europe anymore.
00:32:05.000We saw the head of Telegram, Pavlo Derov, torn out of his airplane when he stopped to refuel in France.
00:32:12.000And, you know, Thierry Breton, who's the chairman of the European Commission, threatening Elon Musk that if he interviewed Donald Trump live on X Spaces...
00:32:28.000That he would be prosecuted criminally and civilly.
00:32:31.000We saw three weeks ago Brazil censor Twitter and censor a lot of other social media sites.
00:32:40.000So you're seeing this rise of censorship of totalitarianism all around the world.
00:32:44.000And, you know, I think the only hope to prevent that In this country is Donald Trump.
00:32:52.000If Kamala gets in there, this is what's going to happen.
00:32:55.000It is indeed a global phenomenon transcendent of national sovereignty.
00:33:01.000Our country is at a different inflection point.
00:33:04.000The United Kingdom, I mean by that, having just elected Keir Starmer, another authoritarian bureaucrat, fancy that, who is similarly governing in a banalizing way.
00:33:17.000Advocating for war, somehow a kind of un-person, transparent only in so much as there's nothing there, not from clarity of ideas, a legislator.
00:33:30.000Moral clarity. I mean, the blatant freebies that he's taking from, you know, from wealthy classes when he's Imposing austerity on the rest of Britain and predicting that the economy is not going to get better any time in their future.
00:33:51.000What I want to say is that the reason there is a plasticity and mutability around the principles is precisely because there's nothing to prevent that.
00:33:59.000There is no skeletal structure undergirding it that would be required in an idealistic movement.
00:34:04.000Now, the reason I mentioned at the beginning of this, I believe I did all well, Huxley, Kafka et al, is precisely to acknowledge that we're facing something darker than two political movements opposing one another, but a type of spiritual warfare is what I would like to allude to.
00:34:19.000And a lot of people, I think, are suffering from a degree of vertigo from the vacillating changes we're all being forced to undertake in order to augur something sensible to oppose.
00:34:32.000This gargantuan beast slouching towards us now with its thick and heavy thighs, Robert.
00:34:39.000Now, what concerns me is that, at least initially, what it appears that we're dealing with is an alliance between four mavericks, all of them in their own way flawed, being human.
00:34:51.000You... A brilliant and magnificent man, and I've said it's you that has acted upon me as the agent of change, that has made me recognise that in order to oppose establishment power, I have to have a different perspective on Trump and the MAGA movement, which I'd already come accustomed to to a degree, because you know what I hate?
00:35:18.000I hate it. I hate haughtiness and superciliousness in particular to working people because even though I didn't have a great time growing up, that's where I come from.
00:35:29.000And when people talk about baskets of deplorables and speak condemnatory language about ordinary working people, they're talking about the people that I grew up with.
00:35:44.000And I've seen the sort of the reflux induced by that esophageal grip in the form first of Brexit and the rise of Trump, two simultaneous events that amounted to the sort of belching out and shirking off.
00:36:01.000Of the imposition of authoritarianism.
00:36:03.000You say about populism, and I too believe that a kind of an engagement of the populary, a revivification of politics, a libidinization of people, is precisely what's being felt.
00:36:16.000You know, you, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, Trump, this peculiar quadrant that I feel has to be framed and enshrined and presented to the electorate as the alternative to this sterile and sterilising project that we're being invited to vote for may be like a quartet of mavericks And you could see from the way that you're being treated in the media, it's hard, I think, with Tulsi Gabbard, war veteran, so dignified and elegant.
00:36:48.000You know, Trump, my God, he provides them with so much raw material, doesn't he?
00:37:00.000And clearly their appetite for hollow ciphers of differing degrees can never be quenched precisely because they need to provide a conduit for the real power.
00:37:13.000I noticed one of the times I watch most, you know, watch as much of your stuff as I can, but you sort of said that the Trump campaign were never hostile, were never vindictive when you were running.
00:37:22.000And the Democrat Party went from trying to get you Off of ballots to ensuring that you remain on ballots because a kind of confusion and disorientation now is part of their campaigning against you.
00:37:37.000How important specifically is it, Bobby, that people ensure that they vote for Trump now in order to prevent this kind of globalism and totalitarianism that we're discussing?
00:37:49.000And how do you advise those people that have supported you and probably, you know, in fact...
00:37:55.000Wouldn't you have assumed the biggest demographic of Bobby Kennedy supporters would come from God?
00:37:59.000All the people that have been observing the risks you've taken around the subject of health.
00:38:03.000All the people that are anti-establishment but can't bring themselves to vote for Trump because of some of the clumsy stuff he's said.
00:38:10.000People disenfranchised and disenchanted by a democratic party that's clearly been captured by corporate interests and is now the party of war.
00:38:17.000How are you gonna guide them and what appeal do you make To ensure that when it comes to this election, they vote for Donald Trump.
00:38:28.000Yeah, I mean, that's a really important point, Russell.
00:38:31.000I'm in this kind of paradoxical position that I don't think any politician that I recall has been in, which is I'm urging people when they see my name on the ballot not to vote for me, and instead to vote for Donald Trump in the only way that I'm going to get to Washington, D.C., and actually try to start fixing these problems, which I will do if they let me in.
00:38:55.000Is if people ignore my name on the ballot and vote for Donald Trump instead.
00:39:01.000Particularly in a couple of the battleground states like Michigan, where I fought very hard to get off the ballot.
00:39:08.000I actually won the case in the Court of Appeals, and they ordered the Board of Elections to remove me from the ballot.
00:39:14.000The Democratic Party, which had been trying to keep me off the ballot for four months, Then pivoted and now is sued to keep me on the ballot because they knew that that would confuse the electorate.
00:39:28.000Yeah. Oh, you know, it's a deliberate anti-democratic imagination and, you know, I'm urging people not to fall for it.
00:39:38.000I don't want to be on the ballot and I don't want you to vote for me.
00:39:41.000I want you to vote for Donald Trump because that's the only way that I'm going to get to Washington and fix the food system.
00:39:48.000Fix the pharmaceutical system, unravel this corrupt merger of state and corporate power that has turned our agencies predatory against the American public, and hopefully rescue American democracy so that then we can begin actually promoting democracy around the world, not at the barrel of a gun, but through the power of example.
00:40:09.000One of the things I've enjoyed about you campaigning alongside Trump is the clarity of the messaging, moving away from rather diffuse, inane concepts like joy, the Kamala Harris campaign, or turning the page.
00:40:23.000It was pointed out to me earlier that Kamala Harris is on the page that they're turning, and on the next one, she's in government.
00:40:40.000These seem, obviously, to be pressing and important issues.
00:40:46.000What, in particular, in the event that there is a successful campaign and that you are granted the authority to do so, will you do about Big Food and Big Farmer?
00:40:57.000I was watching your video about the cereal the other day, you know, and, like, they're sort of...
00:41:01.000Someone said under there, like, I'm guessing this would be like...
00:41:18.000Addiction is the overriding of your compulsions, the overriding of your voluntary ability to choose whether or not to do something.
00:41:27.000I'm going to say this as an addict in recovery.
00:41:28.000I know you're... Public about your position, you know, you're a recurring addict as well.
00:41:33.000You know, if our food has things in it that take away your ability to choose whether or not you're eating it anymore, and that's happening at scale and being marketed at children, sometimes I think when we're caught up in the culture war, you know, and it's easy to get caught up in the culture war, there are evocative issues around identity and who cares more about anything they care about themselves these days.
00:41:53.000You know, like there are actually quite fundamental things being discussed, like the potential for war,
00:41:58.000the potential for war, and additionally food and pharma, pivotal fundamental issues.
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00:43:27.000I've had the feeling that these interests are so entrenched, Bobby, that, you know, even if you're actually in government, you kind of can't do it.
00:43:33.000You know, when you see Biden capping like 10 drugs or whatever and saying we beat big pharma this year, you think, why is the president in that kind of dynamic with pharma companies?
00:43:42.000If you're the president, aren't you just able to go, hey...
00:43:45.000Stop marketing these unnecessary drugs.
00:43:48.000Stop introducing new drugs that are essentially a rebrand of white label.
00:43:52.000So I get the sense that there are some pretty deep state and global corporatist powers in there.
00:43:59.000Let me make a point just and answer that.
00:44:04.000That suggestion that people have a choice.
00:44:08.000All of the institutions of our government have been corrupted to remove the choice from the American public.
00:44:14.000And it's done in a series of very powerful, some of them subtle ways, for example, just not informing the public that there's poison in their food.
00:44:26.000Creating, making the food addictive so that people don't understand the impact that it's having on them.
00:44:34.000As you know, During the 1980s and 1990s, the tobacco companies were the richest companies, some of the richest companies in the world, and they came under tremendous pressure from the government that was then suing them, a bunch of the states, not the federal government, a bunch of the states began suing them, glass action suits to reimburse for Medicare bill.
00:44:58.000There was education programs to educate and discourage people from smoking, and they saw the writing on the wall.
00:45:07.000So they went out to diversify, and they took all that money, and they bought up all the food companies in our country, and they brought in thousands of scientists who had specialized in addiction, in creating addiction in tobacco.
00:45:24.000They brought those scientists into companies like Kraft and the big food company.
00:45:28.000The two biggest food companies by the end of the 1990s in the United States We're Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds, the two biggest tobacco companies.
00:45:37.000And they brought all their scientists who were making tobacco more addictive and hooking children.
00:45:44.000And they began making chemicals that addict you to fluids.
00:45:49.000Monosodium, glutamate, but all hundreds of chemicals that are addicting and make food so that it doesn't satiate you, so that it actually keeps you hungry even when you're full.
00:46:01.000And these were chemicals that did not occur in nature.
00:46:12.000At the same time, there's tremendous economic pressure For people to eat these foods, for example, tens, hundreds of billions of dollars that go to the farm program every year, that money, 90% of that is going for three items, corn, soy, and wheat.
00:46:35.000And it makes those, crop insurance, all these other programs, makes those substances very, very cheap.
00:46:46.000So GMO corn, GMO soy, and wheat, which are heavily laden with pesticides, became the feedstock for this new processed food industry.
00:46:58.000And because they're so cheap, they're government-subsidized.
00:47:02.000We spend only about 2% of the farm program goes to fruit and vegetables.
00:47:09.000Most of it goes to these big GMO, heavily pesticide-laden and intensive grains that then become, you know, are put through extruders and other processes.
00:47:26.000They're filled with sugars which themselves are addictive.
00:47:29.000You know, sugar is, Mark Hyman has shown it's as addictive as crack.
00:47:34.000Oh, and that became the basis for the food program, so it's the cheapest food.
00:47:43.000In many neighborhoods in our country, particularly poor neighborhoods, there are food deserts.
00:47:47.000You can't get ahold of foods anywhere near it.
00:47:50.000The only food that you have access to is these kind of foods, these processed foods.
00:47:55.000And that's why black Americans and American Indians have the highest chronic disease rates of anybody in the world.
00:48:05.000And they had the highest death rates from COVID because it was actually chronic disease that was killing people from COVID. There's other mechanisms, too.
00:48:13.000The food stamp program, which is $80 billion a year, on $70 billion of that, goes to processed food.
00:48:22.000So if you're poor, it's the food that you're encouraged and the government pays for.
00:48:28.000And the school lunch program, which for many kids in this country, the only decent meal they're getting every day is school lunch, And that now, about 70% of that is processed food.
00:48:43.000Yeah, you can say they have people of choice, but they don't have choice.
00:48:46.000It's like saying they had a choice to vaccinate during COVID. They did have a choice.
00:48:52.000You could go into isolation, and you could lose your job, and you could...
00:48:58.000But there were a lot of penalties built in to coerce that choice, and there are economic penalties...
00:49:07.000They're physical and cultural, and advertising, as you say, is meant to overwhelm free choice.
00:49:14.000Oh, you have all these mechanisms for overwhelming free choice, and people do not have a choice.
00:49:19.000Most people don't have a choice but to eat this stuff.
00:49:21.000People don't want to eat it when they hear about it, but particularly if you live in a black neighborhood in this country, you have to spend a lot of your resources and a lot of your time trying to avoid those kind of foods if you're educated about it.
00:49:35.000And there's no education because the government is telling you, yeah, it's great.
00:49:40.000And by the way, they've not only bribed and captured the agencies, the Congress, the press, which is dependent on food and pharmaceutical advertising, but they've also captured the NGOs, Some of the biggest contributors to the American Diabetes Association are sugar drink companies.
00:50:06.000And probably the biggest contributor to the NAACP is sugar drink companies.
00:50:12.000To keep black people from complaining that 10% of food stamps are used for Coca-Cola and other sugar drinks.
00:50:18.000So Coca-Cola gives millions of dollars to NAACP, which is a national association for colored people.
00:50:26.000It's the primary frontline organization standing up for civil rights historically.
00:50:32.000But it's been completely bought off by Coca-Cola Company, So that if you say out loud, if you're a politician, you say out loud, we shouldn't let food stamps be spent on sugar drinks.
00:50:46.000We are poisoning all the poor people in this country and giving them all diabetes.
00:50:51.000The NAACP will condemn you as racist because they say that's the only food black people can afford.
00:50:58.000And you're trying to cut off their choice to live as they want.
00:51:01.000And it's all these contrived and fictitious and convoluted arguments that, no, it's not racist.
00:51:10.000The racist thing is poisoning all the black people in this country and poisoning American Indians.
00:51:15.000And let me give you just one example of how this is genocide.
00:52:52.000They're very durable. Right on the U.S. side of the border, where they're all being systematically inundated with these processed foods, they are dying at a younger age.
00:53:05.000I think that the average lifespan is 47 years.
00:53:55.000And yet their death rate was one two hundredth of American blacks who were, you know, fully vaccinated.
00:54:01.000And Indians had the highest vaccination rate of any population in the world, 100%, because they were being paid $1,000 apiece to get the vaccine.
00:54:11.000And they had by far, far, far the highest death rate from COVID in the world.
00:54:20.000CDC says the average American who died from COVID had 3.8 chronic diseases.
00:54:27.000So it wasn't COVID that was killing them.
00:54:28.000Healthy people did not die from COVID. The only people who died were people who were already sick, and it was chronic disease that was killing them, and that's caused by their food.
00:54:39.000We are mass poisoning this generation of kids.
00:54:43.000It's interesting to consider COVID not as an aberration, but a fulmination and culmination of processes that have long been in place and were requiring, I suppose, a third act of that magnitude and that nature to sort of, as the denouement almost, to like, you know, with the comorbidities and such.
00:55:07.000To just execute the final plan, not to use, I don't want to use sensationalist language.
00:55:14.000But Bobby, an earlier example you gave was the proposal that there be restriction on food stamp usage that people might, and with some legitimacy, regard as authoritarian if it were to say that certain foods can be purchased on food stamps.
00:55:31.000As the kind of the kind of superficial measure that prevents the excavatory work required from being undertaken when you describe these barren food deserts and you know when I when I think of the highly managed environments that I occasionally move through the Airports that I sometimes suspect that globalism wants the world to resemble, where your every move is surveilled and measured, where the food that you eat and the sounds that you hear are all curated and controlled for you.
00:56:04.000I wonder if the, not an alternative, but the necessary opposition might be, when it comes to say, just to your point about food and food stamps, a decentralized and localized system of agriculture.
00:56:20.000And when I think of what the alternative might look like, it's...
00:56:25.000The mind boggles the amount of institutions and institutional interests that would have to be challenged, opposed, brought down, decimated and destroyed to imagine the alternative where people were eating food grown locally and naturally, where people were Participate in their cultures and democracies directly, where people understood, to sort of paraphrase Burroughs' idea that people understood what was on the end of their fork, both physically and literally, but also in terms of the information that they're consuming.
00:56:59.000To challenge, like, interests like big food, to imagine the type of power we're discussing.
00:57:06.000I'm starting to see it, and I try not to yield to hysteria as best I can, It sounds sort of a cultist that that amount of power could be practised.
00:57:17.000And to imagine the opposition to that kind of power to enable people to...
00:57:24.000Like, if you're on food stamps, you'll be eating organic grass-fed beef.
00:57:30.000You'll be eating food grown near to where you are.
00:57:33.000When I think of the interests that have just collapsed...
00:57:54.000We are going to take on big agriculture, big pharma, big food to the degree where people eat food that they understand grown where they're from.
00:58:02.000We're going to end transporting food around the world.
00:58:04.000We're going to have a diet that's in harmony with our environment.
00:58:07.000Because ultimately, aren't we talking about consciousness?
00:58:36.000I feel frightened here, and God knows what it must be like with you and your history.
00:58:39.000I can't imagine what you say and what you do to prevent Coca-Cola having that power, Kraft having that power, Pfizer having that power, Raytheon, Norfolk Grumman, all of those.
00:58:51.000And maybe even those things are just visible logos of something far more insidious and deeper.
00:58:57.000And on a practical level, what is it that we're saying on day one?
00:59:08.000And, you know, one of the things that Robert Redfield said to me, you know, the former head of CDC who made this extraordinary endorsement of me this week.
00:59:17.000How did that feel? Because you wrote a lot about him in The Real Anthony Fauci.
00:59:20.000I was bowled over. But then I met with him, and one of the things he said to me is that, he said, you're the only one who can fix this problem at HHS, because everybody who goes into HHS gets captured there.
00:59:37.000To get appointed head of the HHS by any president of the United States, you already have to have been approved of and co-opt for a lifetime as part of this corrupt system.
00:59:51.000People don't get into HHS unless they're pharmaceutical lobbyists or whatever.
00:59:57.000But President Trump is an unusual guy.
01:00:00.000And he said to me, oh, you know, the pharmaceutical industry is going to go nuts.
01:00:07.000If I bring you in and give you power, and he said, I'm going to do it because I don't care.
01:00:12.000That's what he said. And I think he's the only guy who really doesn't care.
01:00:16.000He doesn't care. And what Redfield said to me, and just so people know, Robert Redfield was the head of CDC during COVID. And in my book, I bash him and his record.
01:00:32.000And I said to him, you know, I really was unkind to you in my book on Fauci.
01:00:37.000He said, I know, but I have a thick skin.
01:01:55.000And I know the names of people in these agencies who have to be moved, or the troublemakers, for example, when I sued Monsanto.
01:02:04.000We came across emails that showed that the head of the Pesticide Division at EPA for a decade had been secretly working for Monsanto and fixing studies, making sure that to bring in these phony mercenary industry scientists, we call them biostitutes, create studies that protected Monsanto, that hid the cancer signals from people using Roundup.
01:02:36.000So, I know the names of those people in many, many of the agencies, and I know what to do with them and how to get rid of them.
01:02:44.000We have to get rid of anybody in FDA who has anything to do with food.
01:02:50.000Some of it is going to be by opening up databases.
01:02:54.000There's a hundred things that I'm going to do in the first week.
01:02:57.000We also now have the example of this awesome power That the government took during COVID of declaring an emergency and saying you can do things that everybody believes were impossible and we can do that.
01:03:09.000But the most important mechanism that I will have at my disposal is the scientific research capacity at NIH. NIH gives away $42 billion a year.
01:03:24.00056,000 scientists at universities in the United States, Canada, Britain, elsewhere around the world, to do research.
01:03:32.000And the research, since 1980, the research has been really about new drug development.
01:03:40.000So most of those guys are basically partnered with the pharmaceutical industry, and the individual scientists at NIH can actually collect royalties of $150,000 a year forever.
01:03:53.000Any product that they developed at NIH, and that is then sold to the pharmaceutical industry.
01:03:58.000So it's become an incubator for pharmaceutical products.
01:04:02.000And studying gain-of-function and infectious disease to create more pandemics.
01:04:08.000If I go in there, I'm going to change the focus and say, what we're going to do now is actually make people healthier.
01:04:16.000We're going to figure out why has autism gone from 1 in 10,000 in my generation One in every 34 American kids today.
01:05:17.000There's millions of farmers who have been hooked on this system.
01:05:21.000They're an impediment to changing it from above.
01:05:23.000You could never say, the government could never say, we're going to get high fructose corn, get rid of it.
01:05:28.000Because Congress is owned by Cargill, Monsanto, the companies that are making it.
01:05:33.000There's a million farmers who are grassroots army for them.
01:05:38.000And Congress is given money by all those companies and the regulatory agencies are controlled, so you can't just declare it.
01:05:45.000But here's what you can do. I can do 20 or 30 studies, a mix of all different kinds of studies, animal studies, epidemiological studies, observational studies, that show the connection between high fructose corn syrup and diabetes or obesity.
01:06:07.000And then what happens is the lawyers are going to come out of the woodwork and they're going to round up millions of clients who have diabetes and they're going to sue these companies.
01:06:18.000Now, right now you can't do that because the science does not exist to allow those lawsuits to go forward.
01:06:24.000But once we create that science, the marketplace, you can't change it from above through a centralized system, through decentralized attorneys suing in court Locally, you can change the system because you can impose costs.
01:06:40.000And that's what we did with glyphosate, which was part of Roundup, which everybody said, you'll never get rid of glyphosate.
01:06:47.000We brought, you know, I had 40,000 clients, me and my partners, who at all were home gardeners who got non-Hodgkin's lymphoma from using glyphosate.
01:06:57.000And we tried those cases one at a time.
01:07:30.000Well, it's very exciting to imagine you and pray for you to receive the kind of power that you've dedicated your life to coming into alignment with.
01:07:39.000I pray that the rest of the campaign goes well for you, and I pray that you are protected, because I believe that you are doing such incredible and important work with such valour and such grace, and surely that's what we require now, nationally, internationally.
01:07:53.000Thank you. Thank you, Russell, and thank you for your courage and for You know, being the philosopher, the leading philosopher, the reigning philosopher of democracy left on the globe.
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