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00:01:01.000Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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00:01:18.000We're gonna say stuff that the mainstream don't want you having access to, particularly because our guest today is a fantastic, radical enemy of orthodoxy, but powerful ally of truth.
00:01:30.000I've been friends with this man for a very, very long time.
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00:01:54.000And before that sound dims, please welcome to the stage my special guest, Graham Hancock!
00:02:02.000There are forces at work in our society that do not want people thinking for themselves.
00:02:08.000I think the problem is the institution of archaeology.
00:02:14.000What you don't need is an institutionalized elite class that's saying, we're the only people that are allowed to discuss this.
00:02:19.000Dude, make me think, why don't you f***?
00:02:22.000But once you get back into the remote parts where you don't have documents and you're dealing with artifacts dug out of the ground, they seem to feel that only archaeologists are authorized to speak about this.
00:02:31.000And this is part of an overall process in our society to actually make us less free while convincing us that we're completely free.
00:02:38.000Come and get us is the shift that's being made.
00:02:40.000There needs to be an awakening around this because there are sinister forces at work.
00:02:49.000Graham, before we get into some of the more controversial stuff that we'll keep exclusive for our Rumble audience, in particular I want to talk about the way that you've been smeared and condemned for a subject that I wouldn't consider to be as contentious as evidently the mainstream consider it to be.
00:03:05.000Before we get into that and talking about what the objectives of the mainstream media are, we'll just lightly introduce ourselves for 10 minutes by asking you What is it, Graham, that first ignited your interest in arcane civilizations?
00:03:19.000What is it in particular that you think is being revealed or being neglected by the potential for a cataclysmic event that obscures the origin of our species?
00:03:31.000I think the problem is the institution of archaeology.
00:03:38.000I have nothing against individual archaeologists.
00:03:41.000On the contrary, I've met many wonderful individual archaeologists.
00:03:44.000I couldn't do the work that I do without the work that archaeology has done.
00:03:49.000But there's a difference between individual archaeologists and archaeology speaking as an institution, for example,
00:03:55.000the Society for American Archaeology with its 5,000 members.
00:03:59.000And they seem to take a view that the only people who are entitled to interpret the past of humanity
00:04:07.000are archaeologists, particularly the remote past.
00:04:10.000There's a role for historians, of course, where we have documents.
00:04:13.000But once you get back into the remote past, where you don't have documents and you're dealing with artifacts dug out
00:04:17.000of the ground, they seem to feel that only archaeologists are authorized to speak about this,
00:04:22.000and that anybody else who puts a different point of view into the conversation, is a danger and a threat, and must be silenced.
00:04:35.000And I was disappointed by, not so much by the archaeologists, because I kind of expected this, but I was disappointed by the idleness and lack of rigor of journalists who covered this story.
00:04:48.000who simply took their cues from archaeology, never talked to me, and published stories about it, which were often very unpleasant.
00:04:56.000At the same time, I've had a major Netflix show, my voice is out there, and it's right and proper that it should be opposed and counter-minded.
00:05:05.000I'm pleased that it started a conversation and a debate around all this.
00:05:10.000But what I object to is when people create straw men around my work.
00:05:15.000A lot of it is, Graham Hancock says this, Graham Hancock says that.
00:05:33.000And I found again and again in the critiques that have been floated about my work that individuals are saying that Hancock says this, when in fact I never do say that.
00:05:43.000And then they attack that straw man and hope that nobody will look deeper and investigate it.
00:05:49.000The whole project seems to have been to to prevent people or discourage people from exploring my work.
00:05:58.000And that's when I came to realize that I'm involved in some kind of propaganda war here.
00:06:03.000The tools of propaganda are being used by mainstream archaeology as an institution in order to beat down alternative narratives.
00:06:13.000And I don't think that's healthy at all.
00:06:15.000It's interesting that in such a short period of time the ability to communicate openly around a range of subjects that I find surprising in so much that I find it surprising that it's become extensively censored and so rapidly.
00:06:31.000It suggests that there's been some kind of seismic shift in the way that information is handled, that authoritarianism is on the rise, and accompanying that, of course, we're aware that surveillance and censorship are increasing, that looking for opportunities to regulate appears to be a kind of guiding principle in the approach to crisis across as broad a range of subjects as war and even The thing that interests me and will touch more deeply upon the more controversial aspects of the reporting on your work exclusively on Rumble in just a few more minutes, so if you're watching this on YouTube now click on the link in the description so that you can join us over there.
00:07:23.000But first of all I'd like to just have a basic understanding if I may of the fundamental argument, at least the one that I hear you advancing more recently, that there was a seismic, cataclysmic event at some point.
00:07:41.000I feel like you say often it was around 12,000 years ago.
00:07:44.000Yeah, it wasn't a single moment, it was an episode.
00:08:31.000The world had been warming up and then suddenly it just got freezing cold again.
00:08:36.000As cold as it had been at the peak of the Ice Age.
00:08:39.000And weirdly, at that moment around 12,800 years ago, and this shouldn't happen when the Earth goes into a freezing period, there was a rise in sea level, which meant that water that should have stayed frozen had come off the ice caps and was entering the world ocean.
00:08:54.000And that rise in sea level of freezing water coming off the ice caps cut the Gulf Stream and stopped what's called the global meridional circulation, which is a central heating system of our planet.
00:09:05.000It kept the Earth cold for a very long time.
00:09:17.000A number of theories just focus on that changing of ocean currents and saying that's what made the earth cold without saying why did the ocean currents change.
00:09:26.000And the best explanation for that is put forward by a group called the Comet Research Group.
00:09:30.000They started off as about 60, all mainstream scientists.
00:10:16.000What happened to the Earth was that a comet, which was estimated originally to have been 100 miles in diameter, entered the inner solar system, was tugged on by gravitational forces, began to break up into multiple fragments, and 12,800 years ago, the first bunch of those fragments, like a shotgun blast, peppered the Earth.
00:10:38.000And because the Earth is turning, that peppering covered a very wide expanse of the Earth's surface, right from North America right across to Syria.
00:10:46.000There's evidence of these impacts, airbursts, explosions in the sky, sometimes on the ground, and then further evidence which takes it down into South America and as far south as Antarctica.
00:10:57.000It's called the Younger Dryas boundary layer, and the only possible explanation for it, in my view, and I've been through all possible explanations, the best one is the fragmenting comet explanation.
00:11:09.000And then, because the fragmenting comet creates a meteor stream, that meteor stream, by the way, still exists.
00:11:28.000What happens is that this meteor stream has spread out.
00:11:30.000It's very, very wide now, and it includes many filaments of debris.
00:11:34.000Some of them are small, and some of them are very, very large.
00:11:39.000And what appears to have happened between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago was that the Earth passed repeatedly through large bits of this meteor stream.
00:12:04.000Now archaeologists say it wasn't so huge, it was spread out over a number of years, but you can't take an average as what happens in a particular year.
00:12:11.000You can have a year where there's a massive sea level rise and another year where there's none.
00:12:15.000If you take the average of that, you're not getting the true picture of what's happening.
00:12:18.000But I think it's true to say that if our civilization was confronted by an overnight 30-foot rise in sea level, it would have devastating effects on our civilization, and it had devastating effects on the world at that time.
00:12:32.000Well, what you've said is so broad, diverse, and includes a lot of data, cosmological, geological, and it's quite wide-ranging, and I can see how it would be difficult to make those claims irrefutably.
00:12:50.000It doesn't appear to me that anything you're saying is so contentious as to warrant censorship.
00:12:58.000Do you think that the attacks that you have foregone, have received, been a recipient of, are motivated by the kind of reflexive protection of orthodoxy that could be applicable in any field?
00:13:15.000Or do you feel that as this pertains to our particular history as a species, our hermeneutics, our worldview, progressivism, and I mean technological, medicinal and scientific progressivism in particular, are challenged by the idea that we are not currently experiencing the apex of human civilization and the hubris that would be punctured by that is threatened by the idea that We are not now the greatest that we have ever been, that there is much to learn.
00:14:07.000Secondly, it came as quite a surprise to me, but I realise it's part of The culture now.
00:14:15.000One of the reasons I was attacked was because my series, Ancient Apocalypse, seemed to be calling into question the expertise of archaeologists.
00:14:25.000And what the journalists did with that is say, what's going to happen next?
00:14:29.000Are we going to call into question all expertise?
00:14:32.000It seemed to be about a defense of experts in our society.
00:14:35.000Now, I've got nothing against experts.
00:14:40.000I'm alive today because of experts after a catastrophic epileptic seizure in 2017.
00:14:59.000They should not say, we know everything and you must simply do what we tell you.
00:15:05.000And that seemed to be the primary reaction to the series, that it was undermining confidence in experts and that somehow this is threatening to our society.
00:15:17.000And then secondly, Russell, yes, you're right.
00:15:19.000The idea that I'm putting forward that we may have lost a whole episode in the human story, which we haven't lost it completely because it's been passed down to us in myths and traditions all around the world.
00:15:29.000But that we've lost to our, if you like, our institutional memory, the notion that there existed a civilization during the Ice Age does raise important questions over our civilization today.
00:15:43.000And first of all, is it actually the apex and pinnacle of human achievement as we imagine it to be, as we're taught it is?
00:15:50.000The end of a long line of intellectual evolution that has finally brought us to this high point of complete control and understanding of the universe.
00:16:01.000And suddenly we're tipped from that pinnacle.
00:16:03.000And we have to wrestle with the possibility that there may have been other kinds of civilizations which may have done things in different ways from the way we do them.
00:16:15.000If I may create an extraordinary and odd phrase, it's like there's a kind of temporal occidentalism.
00:16:22.000The idea that indigenous and native ideas are somehow inferior and secondary.
00:16:29.000The presumption that we are at the apex.
00:16:31.000The presumption that other people are there to be colonized.
00:16:34.000The idea that there is just one linear trajectory.
00:16:37.000I notice frequently in the kind of dialogue between experts and grateful recipients of their manner, M-A-N-N-A, that there's a kind of hubris and haughtiness, whether it's witnessing Fauci admonishing African Americans on the doorstep for vaccine hesitancy, we're covering that in a later show, Or elsewhere, where there's a denial of spiritual principles based on that which is measurable.
00:17:09.000Of course, if something is ineffable and beyond our sensory dimensions, then it's going to be difficult to empirically demonstrate it. We're going to leave YouTube now and for
00:17:23.000the rest of the show we'll be exclusively available on Rumble talking about a whole range of ideas.
00:17:28.000You can click the link in the description and join us there and remember go to Graham Hancock's
00:17:45.000When you were talking about this idea of a lost civilization or a golden age, it's significant and interesting to see how frequently that appears in scripture and mythology.
00:17:56.000Of course, a Jungian or Campbellian, shall we say, analysis of that would be that it's harking back to a kind of prenatal state.
00:18:19.000And I've still been trying to find a way back, let me tell you.
00:18:23.000Do you think, then, that the sort of seeming collective memory of Atlantis, or a kind of a golden age, or an imperature of a utopia that proceeds rather than a utopia to which we aspire, is psychological in its origin, or sociological?
00:18:43.000I know that you're saying it's sociological because of the events you've just described, but do you think that, because it seems that one of the most contentious things you say, or one of the things for which you are most attacked, Appears to be you know like when you talk about Plato talking about Atlantis and and when you and also I know other thing because I I did some research and I try not to Graham Because I do like to shoot from the hip a good place to shoot from yeah nice Why bother holding a gun up high it makes you look stupid shoot from down there.
00:19:11.000It's cooler I like one of the things I saw is that when you talk about them kind of sonar, uh, radar type scans, you'll tell us the right word in a second, that are possible due of like the Amazon, and you say, oh, it could be that there's stuff down there.
00:19:26.000One of the leery attacks from the mainstream that I saw is, well, the one where I thought, oh my god, I know Graham Ancock.
00:19:49.000Well, one of the things seemed to be like, oh, like that you've said, using these sonar detection things, it looks like there could be structures in the Amazon.
00:20:00.000Well, one of the things I read was them going, that could be a whole host of things.
00:20:03.000So I'd like to know about the stuff about PLATO, and I'd like to know about the stuff of what them sonar things are detecting in the Amazon, please.
00:20:11.000Alright, well first of all, the story of Atlantis, if you mention the word Atlantis to any archaeologist, they will tend to roll their eyes on the assumption that they're dealing with somebody from the lunatic fringe.
00:20:25.000So almost by definition, if you take the concept of Atlantis seriously, you're regarded by archaeologists and their friends in the media as a kind of lunatic.
00:20:35.000I've always found this odd, because the source, the earliest surviving source for the tradition of Atlantis, is the highly respected figure of Plato.
00:20:45.000He passes it down to us in dialogues called the Timaeus and the Critias.
00:20:50.000He speaks of an advanced civilization, which was headquartered on an island, and that that island was submerged by an enormous flood, and in a single day and night was completely destroyed.
00:21:07.000Now, the view of archaeology is that this is all a fantastic tale that Plato made up, that he simply wanted to make some kind of political or philosophical point, so he invented Atlantis.
00:21:23.000Immediately contradicting that is the fact that there are hundreds of traditions from all around the world.
00:21:28.000Plato is the one that calls it Atlantis.
00:21:30.000But there are hundreds of traditions from all around the world that speak of a great flood and the destruction of a former civilization.
00:21:37.000And then the second issue is that Plato includes precise scientific information in the story.
00:21:47.000And this is what archaeology is ignoring.
00:21:49.000When it says that it's all a fantastical made-up tale.
00:21:53.000And it's to do with that Meltwater Pulse 1B that I mentioned, that brought the Younger Dryas to an end 11,600 years ago and raised sea levels massively.
00:22:04.000Plato said that the story came to him through his family line.
00:22:09.000His family line included the Greek lawmaker Solon some two or three hundred years before.
00:22:14.000Plato was writing in the 300 Solons around 600 BC.
00:22:20.000Solon made a famous and historically recorded visit to Egypt.
00:22:39.000He's visiting a temple that no longer exists, the Temple of Neith at Sise in the Delta.
00:22:45.000And he's shown writings on the walls by the priests.
00:22:49.000And he says, what do these writings say?
00:22:50.000And the priests then unravel the whole story of Atlantis, and they tell how there was this great advanced civilization, which at one time was extremely beneficial and positive to the world, but which fell out of harmony with the universe, became began to impose its power on other peoples around the world, became arrogant, became overconfident in itself, suffered from hubris, and a ringing phrase ceased to wear its moderation with prosperity.
00:23:23.000And the universe intervened and struck Atlantis down.
00:23:27.000So Solon said to the priests, OK, when did this happen?
00:23:31.000And they said, quite matter-of-factly, oh, 9,000 years ago.
00:24:21.000Visit the Temple of Horus at Edfu in Upper Egypt, which is still standing, and you will find the Edfu building texts, which relate the entire Atlantis story.
00:24:30.000They call it the homeland of the primeval ones, but it's an island.
00:24:34.000It's struck down and drowned in a flood.
00:24:36.000There are survivors and some of those survivors come to Egypt and create primeval mounds, which are to be the site of all future temples and pyramids in Egypt.
00:24:44.000So the connection to ancient Egypt that Solon draws and Plato passes on is actually very real.
00:24:51.000And I'm pleased to say that there has now been a full translation of the Edfu text, which has been, it's a translation into German.
00:25:00.000And the German Archaeological Institute, an individual called Dieter Kueth, it's an incredibly important translation, and it is going to completely unravel the archaeological position on the Egyptian origins of the story of Atlantis.
00:25:13.000And this is going to be very disturbing for archaeology.
00:25:17.000I am beginning to understand why there's opposition to challenging convention, because it feels like elsewhere in our culture there is a strong appetite to impose centralized control on many established institutions.
00:25:37.000I have read and often reflected on the writing of this CIA analyst, Martin Goury.
00:25:43.000He says that since we've had the technology to communicate en masse and immediately create counter narratives, the establishment has had the option of either accepting there are now numerous publics accumulating And to democratize information and democratize power as much as possible and recognize that the era of centralization is sort of coming to a type of conclusion or to double down on authoritarianism, smear dissent in all of its forms, try to control the narrative by creating opportunity for regulation.
00:26:15.000And what you're saying, I suppose, because When we use rhetorically phrases like follow the science, it's a kind of claim for superiority that doesn't acknowledge that science is a subset of all sorts of other interests, most obviously, evidently, observably and measurably, financial interests.
00:26:37.000Plainly, only clinical trials are being undertaken that at some point may become profitable.
00:26:44.000Perhaps There are less easy to observe biases indeed, that's much of your argument, that take place in every field and notably in this case archaeology, because if we start to present a different human history, a different possibility for human future starts to naturally emerge.
00:27:00.000In my own contemplation of how we might live, I think How did we evolve to live?
00:27:21.000How do we engage with God or the unknowable?
00:27:25.000If there are different cultural examples of that that may be obfuscated by the events you describe but nevertheless point to the fact that they may not be like savages grunting around and dragging things off into caves whether to eat them or fornicate with them but a highly advanced species that could move mountains with their minds that communicate with unknowable beings from other
00:27:53.000dimensions, that unlock mathematical mysteries,
00:27:56.000that appear in hieroglyphs etched upon ancient walls, then the supremacy of the modern era and the institutes
00:28:04.000that represent it suddenly seem a little more fallible.
00:28:08.000That's what I saw most strongly of all in the reaction to Ancient Apocalypse,
00:28:12.000which is that that reaction says that there are forces at work in our society
00:28:16.000that do not want people thinking for themselves, that do not want people doing their own research
00:28:22.000and investigating subjects directly, that want people simply to accept what the so-called
00:28:27.000experts tell them, to buy that in the whole cloth and not argue with it and
00:28:43.000But there's also a role for the individual researcher and for people who get their sleeves rolled up and get down into detail investigating the past for themselves.
00:28:53.000And while it may be true that a pilot of an airplane does really need to be trained in order to fly that airplane, I wouldn't like to get into an airplane if the pilot wasn't trained to fly an airplane.
00:29:47.000Were you not, um, or within it, excuse me, were you not upset, like, your wife's empty, she's a woman of colour, what about when they say you're racist?
00:29:55.000Didn't that make you think, why don't you fuck off?
00:29:57.000Yeah, it did make me think, why don't you fuck off?
00:30:03.000This is where I speak of a propaganda war, because it's as though they selected certain keywords.
00:30:11.000If we can apply these keywords, if enough people repeat these keywords, then people won't read any of Hancock's work or look at his series.
00:30:18.000Key words included saying that my work supports white supremacy, that it encourages racism, that it's misogynistic, and that it's anti-Semitic.
00:30:29.000All of those phrases were applied to my series.
00:30:35.000Except to say... I'm against all those things!
00:30:40.000If we stick these labels enough, and if enough people repeat these labels, then people say, we won't bother reading Hancock because he's a racist and a white supremacist.
00:30:50.000That's not real scientific debate that was going on there.
00:30:54.000You're right, because archaeology in particular could afford a spirit of amateurism.
00:30:58.000My understanding from people like Sheldrake and stuff is that even much botany and biology emerged out of priest class.
00:31:06.000It was almost an amateur pursuit of religious folk.
00:31:09.000And of course there's a place for experts, as you say, with your pilot analogy.
00:31:12.000Of course you need expertise, but what you don't need is technocracy and aristocracy, an institutionalized elite class that's saying, we're the only people that are allowed to discuss this.
00:31:31.000Have a look at the orthodox, what do I want to say, Pharisee-like contempt that is dispatched by people in positions of scientific authority.
00:31:42.000Of course if you're in a position of scientific authority, you have scientific authority.
00:31:46.000It's not authority to start telling people what to do, shut shit down.
00:31:50.000What they appear to do is demark a territory where the expertise is difficult to dispute and then use that as a point of departure for applicable authority, despotism and tyranny.
00:32:06.000And once you start saying, hey, maybe the past isn't what we think it is, should we look at some new ideas?
00:32:10.000It's always been the case that Advancing and emergent ideas come from the periphery, because the establishment has a vested interest in containing its own personal set of human hermeneutics, its own personal epistemology.
00:32:23.000It guards it, for that is the source of its power.
00:32:26.000Once you break open the tabernacle and start saying, why don't we all have a look around?
00:32:30.000How about we all have our own relationship with God?
00:32:32.000That doesn't mean you're going to let some nitwit be in charge of an aeroplane or a pandemic response, But you do also want to know, are the people in charge of this response financially invested in particular outcomes?
00:32:43.000Are we getting all of the available information?
00:32:48.000Are they allowing all potential voices to participate in this conversation?
00:32:52.000Oddly, for all of their talk of diversity, they seem pretty interested in exclusivity, and in particular, exclusion.
00:32:58.000And so I suppose, like, your particular case, ...demonstrates what these forces will do when a new emergent voice is heard and becomes popular, even if it seems odd to use phrases like anti-Semitism, misogyny, and it doesn't make sense even.
00:33:36.000And I couldn't get why that was being flung at me, except that it would be a useful way to turn people off my work.
00:33:44.000And that's the propaganda aspect of this, that I realize that I am involved in a propaganda war.
00:33:51.000And that needs to be taken seriously, if I'm going to get my point of view across.
00:33:56.000And the other thing is, and we'll come on to this Amazon issue.
00:34:02.000So archaeologists claim, or archaeology as an institution claims, that they know enough about the past to rule out completely any possibility of any kind of thing that we would call a civilization during the Ice Age.
00:34:17.000But there's a real problem with that, because archaeology has only investigated tiny areas of the world.
00:34:24.000A great deal of archaeology that's done is done because a road or a dam is being built, and archaeologists are called in to make sure that there's nothing of historical interest in there.
00:34:34.000So it's random in that sense, the areas that they're looking at.
00:34:37.000Then, Most important to me is that issue of sea level rise at the end of the Ice Age.
00:34:42.000That 400 foot rise in sea level that occurred when the Ice Age came to an end.
00:34:48.000The 27 million square kilometers of continental shelves that were swallowed up by the sea at that time, which have hardly been investigated by archaeology.
00:35:23.000Yeah, so the main focus of marine archaeology is on shipwrecks from relatively recent history.
00:35:29.000There needs to be a much more comprehensive survey of the continental shelves before we can write off the possibility of a civilization destroyed in that cataclysm.
00:35:37.000And it's not only the continental shelves.
00:35:39.000Then you've got the nine million square kilometers of the Sahara Desert.
00:35:43.000We know for sure that there were periods during the Ice Age when the Sahara was rich and fertile.
00:35:51.000And yet, because it's remote, because it's very expensive to operate there, very little archaeology has been done in the Sahara.
00:35:58.000So that's another 9 million square kilometers of the Earth's surface that archaeology really doesn't know a lot about.
00:36:04.000And then there's the Amazon rainforest.
00:36:07.000Now, it used to be about 7 million square kilometers, but these horrific clearances that have been taking place in the Amazon have brought it down to closer to 5, 5 to 6 million square kilometers that are still untouched under canopy rainforest.
00:36:21.000And this is another area where only very minimal archeology has been done.
00:36:27.000And for archeology to claim that it knows everything about our past while it's not investigated
00:36:32.000the continental shelves, it's not investigated the Sahara Desert, and it's not investigated the Amazon rain
00:36:36.000forest is a terrible oversight, in my view, particularly since, I repeat, I'm not
00:36:46.000And there are archaeologists now working with a technology called LIDAR, Light Imaging and Detecting and Ranging, which you fly a plane over the area that you want to look at, and it can look down through the canopy of the Amazon rainforest, and it can see what's underneath it.
00:37:01.000And what they're finding is evidence of enormous cities that existed in the Amazon.
00:37:06.000Oddly enough, those cities were actually spoken about by a Spanish traveler in the late 1500s.
00:38:06.000And what's needed now is a much more thorough investigation of the Amazon rainforest itself by archaeology, if archaeology wishes to continue to claim that it knows everything about the human past.
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00:39:42.000It's analogous in many ways to fields that I pay more attention to myself where there is an assumption but where there has been no exploration or observation, nothing exists.
00:39:59.000Once, Brian Cox, who's someone I actually really like, he's an atheist and stuff, like he said, if you can't measure it, it isn't there.
00:40:10.000And I felt like, but surely that means that we are limiting all potential realities to the realities that can be contained by sensory instruments that by their nature must be limited.
00:40:19.000Yeah, literally to weighing, measuring and counting.
00:40:22.000Reality is confined to what we can weigh, measure and count.
00:40:41.000But it's dismissed automatically because most scientists say, of course there's no such thing as telepathy.
00:40:46.000The brain is the generator of all consciousness and it's limited to our bodies and it cannot Communicate with other brains without words or language in between.
00:40:54.000It's necessarily speculative to include Carl Sagan's beautiful idea that everything ever said is still reverberating limitlessly in space, that TV broadcasts in the 1940s emanate still there amidst the limitless.
00:41:09.000And if you can accept that vibration operates in that way and there is a vibrational quality to consciousness, the idea that consciousness could be intercommunicative Speculatively at least, that seems plausible.
00:41:21.000But within this idea that only that which can be measured can be real is the ridiculous assumption that by some extraordinary coincidence we have been endowed with all potential instruments Yes.
00:41:33.000all potential realities when even most basic mainstream cosmology includes the
00:42:35.000And I actually think I should take that seriously, because I've climbed the Great Pyramid five times, and it's an incredibly difficult, impossible monument to explain.
00:42:46.000And the notion that huge long ramps, sloping at 10 degrees, that teams of people pulled 20, 30, 70 ton blocks up and deposited them inside the Great Pyramid above the King's Chamber at about 300 feet above the ground.
00:43:02.000I think that the conventional method of explaining that is very limited.
00:43:06.000And I think we should be open to the possibility that we are not the masters of everything that human beings can do.
00:43:12.000And that it is possible that people did things in a different way in the past, that telekinesis may have been a real power.
00:43:19.000Now, the point I want to make is that in my work, that is a tiny fraction of 1% of what I write.
00:43:27.000And I label it from the beginning as speculation.
00:43:31.000But when archaeologists critique my work, that's what they focus on.
00:43:34.000Hancock believes in telepathy and telekinesis.
00:43:39.000Once again, we're dealing with propaganda.
00:43:42.000And once again, we're dealing with a fixed paradigm about what reality is.
00:43:46.000RACIST HANCOCK BELIEVES THAT MINDLEGO MADE EGYPT!
00:43:50.000It's like, what they'll do, even with a conversation like this one, they'll find the bits that are like, you know, what that does is it inhibits the spirit of mental adventure.
00:44:02.000The commodity of imagination is our great gift.
00:44:06.000That all of the wonders of the world come via the human imagination.
00:44:09.000That it's a gift that is equally endowed upon us all.
00:44:12.000But we might all embark on these ideas.
00:46:08.000And while it is often claimed that we live in the era of great freedom, I'm not sure that we do.
00:46:14.000I think we live in an era of very sophisticated mind control.
00:46:20.000I'm not sure how much planning there is behind that.
00:46:22.000I'm not certain how much coordination there is behind that, but the tools and the techniques are available, and propaganda is one of those tools and techniques to shut down alternative narratives, that there must be one controlling narrative that runs our society, and that anything that questions that must be shut down, and any dirty trick that can be deployed to question that will be deployed.
00:46:45.000It's obviously throughout all worlds writing that where sensorialism can flourish best is when they control even your imagination.
00:46:57.000The private spaces of your mind become eerie and forbidden to you that you daren't dream.
00:47:03.000That you don't believe that you can create a better life, a better world.
00:47:08.000When they foreclose on even contemplation and imagination, they prevent change.
00:47:13.000So you start to see how... And as I'm fond of recounting, George Carlin said, there is no requirement for conspiracy where interests converge.
00:47:23.000And without becoming conspiratorial, if you look, for example, at the pandemic, if pharmaceutical interests to profit and government interests to regulate and control converge, you can see that there's a kind of momentum that takes place.
00:47:38.000When you have systems where the individuals within them are not significantly empowered, as Yanis Varoufakis told us when they were trying to get Syriza's win in the Greek elections ratified, verified, and the mandate they'd received from the Greek public to not pay back the bank loans around the 2008 crash, He said he realised when dealing with the EU that the person he was talking to, even this is some high up bod within the EU, had no power.
00:48:03.000That person, if you're the kind of person that's going to go, yeah actually we will honour that democratic right, you ain't getting that job.
00:48:08.000Like Chomsky said, like when talking to Andrew Marr years ago, like Andrew Marr goes, well I've not been conditioned, I've not been conditioned by the mainstream.
00:48:15.000Chomsky said, if you hadn't been conditioned, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.
00:48:22.000The kids that are getting kicked out of the school, the kids that aren't getting into the university, the kids that are getting lifed off on a bloody medication, the Ritalin and stuff, from day one you're being shut down.
00:48:33.000What do you think is the function of education primarily?
00:48:39.000Maybe you went to a private school and they made you a conformist that can flourish in the labour market for that class of people.
00:48:45.000Or maybe you went to a state school and you can compete in the labour market for those type of jobs.
00:48:49.000But what you will remember, using your own mind, and this is not a critique of teachers, who I revere and respect and love, is that the function of education is to generate conformity, not free thought.
00:49:00.000That's fundamentally what it's all about.
00:49:06.000Since you brought up the pandemic... I do, I bring it up.
00:49:11.000Let me just address that for a moment, because that's another one of those subjects that now People can't talk about in a way if you if you if you question any of the mainstream narrative about the pandemic, you're immediately regarded as a disruptive influence, a conspiracist, somebody who's undermining society in some way.
00:49:43.000I don't know whether it was deliberately released into the world as a result of genetic engineering or whether it was some sort of accidental.
00:50:42.000My interest, and I sense the interest of the people watching this now live on Locals, which you can do if you're a member of our community, or watching us on Rumble, because we're getting into some shady territory now, baby, is that it provided an opportunity to observe how power functions.
00:50:56.000functions. Of course I'm not claiming to be an expert in epidemiology or the
00:51:00.000pharmaceutical response to a disease, you know, in a way, who cares? I'm
00:51:04.000absolutely willing to take the advice of experts. But as you say, we can observe in
00:51:10.000real time, in a relatively short period of time, what type of information was
00:51:14.000shared at the beginning of the pandemic.
00:51:15.000What kind of information was repressed?
00:51:17.000What information has subsequently come out?
00:51:37.000Do you think that that's irrelevant or relevant?
00:51:39.000You can do your own scientific experiments now.
00:51:42.000If you think that's irrelevant, then I sort of admire the optimism that that suggests.
00:51:47.000But if you think that the function of these systems is to retain their own power and to create opportunity for ongoing benefit, then there's some questions to be had.
00:51:57.000When we spoke to Glenn Greenwald the other day on our channel, that's still up.
00:52:01.000He said that in the days of Rockefeller and the oligarchs of the old days, who seem sort of like adorable old cuddly folks now, he recounted that they were tossed dollar bills from limousines, that the good favour of the public was something that an oligarchy was dependent upon.
00:52:19.000But it seems some decision has been made, and I would suggest that it's a result of them understanding that the means of control now exist.
00:52:26.000Whether that's through a militarized police force, whether that's through AI, whether that's through the ability to control narratives, smear dissenters, shut down inquiring voices.
00:52:39.000Not appeasement of the populace, but come and get us.
00:52:42.000Come and get us is the shift that's being made now that they are willing to take it to the next level.
00:52:48.000This is a great conversation with Glenn Greenwald.
00:52:49.000He put it better than I could, but it suggests to me that there's been a sort of a shift because there's a point where a docile population slumbering on a sofa, consuming dumb TV and downing sugar, that's okay.
00:53:03.000Most of us aren't going to go to the streets if we're relatively comfortable.
00:53:20.000And we need to, there needs to be an awakening around this because there are sinister forces at work.
00:53:26.000I'm not going to pin them down and say this group or that group or this pharmaceutical company or another, but a general A general mind control operation is at work in our society.
00:53:36.000Whether, as I said, whether it's highly organized or not, I'm not sure.
00:53:40.000But the tools are there to shut down debate and dissent.
00:53:45.000And it doesn't involve having a dictator sitting at the top.
00:53:49.000It all unfolds within the context of democracy, as long as people can be persuaded
00:53:54.000that it's in their interests to bow down to that particular set of ideas.
00:53:59.000And this is an advancing trend in our society.
00:54:01.000A new technology is being deployed to use it.
00:54:05.000And although social media are very helpful in getting alternative voices out,
00:54:11.000they are also used in the opposite way as well.
00:54:16.000It was very interesting, the social media response to my shows has been the audience reaction
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00:55:01.000I'm looking at some of the comments online there.
00:55:03.000Someone just quoted Malcolm X. They send the drugs down to Harlem to keep us docile and easy to control.
00:55:42.000Graeme, before my question, I'd just like to say thank you for dedicating your life to raising awareness about our past.
00:55:53.000That's really kind of you to say that.
00:55:55.000Yeah, it's been a 30-plus year journey for me of constant engagement in this issue, and it touches my heart when I hear what you've just said.
00:57:02.000Actually, it's a fragment of that original comet that broke up.
00:57:07.000When it entered the inner solar system, there's Rudniki, there's Olgiato, there's a whole number of large objects in the Taurid meteor stream.
00:57:15.000And the calculations of the astronomers is that within the next 25 years, we are going to be going, certainly 30 years, we are going to be going through the lumpy bits of the Taurid meteor stream rather than the less lumpy bits.
00:57:29.000And that we are therefore entering a time of greater risk.
00:57:34.000There's no need for gloom and doom around this.
00:57:38.000It's a matter of choice for our civilization, what we do with the hazards and risks that our home environment faces.
00:57:49.000We can choose to go on spending billions or trillions of dollars on the mechanisms of warfare.
00:57:55.000We can constantly reinforce our military powers and spend vast amounts of money on that.
00:58:04.000tiny fraction of what's been spent on the wars over the last 20 years would be
00:58:08.000all that's needed to sweep the Taurid meteor stream clear and to allow
00:58:14.000the earth safety there. But it's a question of the priorities. When are
00:58:19.000the decisions made to do that? And right now those decisions don't seem to be
00:58:23.000being made unfortunately. Fantastic answer Graham.
00:59:38.000And then they say, and then they say, is there any particular project, you know, that we could put money into which would be really useful?
00:59:46.000And what I always say is put money into the LiDAR service in the Amazon.
01:00:09.000The technology needs to be made available.
01:00:12.000And hopefully one day some billionaire will call me up who's actually willing to put his money where his mouth is and invest in these projects.
01:00:20.000Don't start talking about where they're going to put their mouths, Graham.
01:00:23.000It's already a suspicious story about you and some billionaires.
01:00:27.000Graham, why in particular, what is it that's exciting about those two particular projects?
01:00:33.000Like when I listen to you, one of the things that most excites me is the idea that we as a human species could be embarking on I know that your current enthusiasm, as you've explained it thus far in this conversation, is because they are simply unexplored territories that may yield stuff.
01:00:57.000But recognizing that this is speculation, what is it in particular that excites you about those regions?
01:01:04.000Well, it's precisely because they're unexplored and because the initial exploration that's being done is revealing intriguing evidence.
01:01:15.000One subject that I've explored quite a bit over the years is ancient maps, which were often copied in the Middle Ages and put onto revised versions of those maps.
01:01:28.000And so maps from, say, the 1400s include information from much older source maps that are
01:01:36.000And many of those maps show a green and fertile Sahara.
01:01:40.000They show a river channel running through the Sahara where recent surveys have absolutely identified a river
01:01:45.000channel did used to run during the Ice Age.
01:01:48.000Suggests to me strongly that somebody was mapping the world during the last Ice Age.
01:01:53.000What excites me isn't so much the history of artifacts, it's the history of ideas.
01:02:00.000It's the way that ideas pass down from culture to culture, transfer, transmit.
01:02:04.000And the possibility of a very different kind of civilization, the way that we have steered our civilization over the past couple of thousand years.
01:02:18.000Yes, there's some positive aspects to it, but there's also some very negative aspects to it.
01:02:21.000But we don't have anywhere else to look for an alternative model.
01:02:25.000And I think the fact that I do regard us as a species with amnesia, that we have forgotten something incredibly important in our own past, and that's part of our disconnection today.
01:02:37.000I think the possibility is encountering a whole system of ideas which is very different from our own, and who knows, maybe even evidence of telepathy and telekinesis, which would completely destructure the existing laws of physics.
01:02:52.000Thank you all of you for your questions.
01:02:54.000Graeme, do you remember when we met that time in the Utah desert at some sort of tented event where I feel like everyone else except me was allowed to take psychedelics?
01:03:54.000I drink anything, petrol, perfume, like I mean if you've got a junky mentality you will drink and all drugs done properly will make you shit and piss yourself and vomit.
01:05:21.000To me, this is primarily what psychedelics are about.
01:05:24.000It's why some of the psychedelics now are proving so effective in getting people out of long-term depression.
01:05:30.000What is long, psilocybin in particular, what is long-term depression except a fixed mindset where you circle around again and again and again on the same miseries that are afflicting you?
01:05:40.000And what the psilocybin seems to do, and there's good science on this now, is it just frees the mind up a little bit.
01:05:47.000It allows those tight connections to be loosened up, and you can step out of depression.
01:05:53.000Fantastic results in people with depression, which big pharma drugs are not achieving.
01:05:57.000Siroxat and Prozac are horrible, horrible drugs.
01:06:11.000So I'm very intrigued by the way that these demonized substances called psychedelics are proving themselves as effective antidotes to depression, are helping people with post-traumatic stress disorder, This is very important work that's being done, and it tells us we're not dealing with an addictive class of substances here.
01:06:28.000We're dealing with a class of substances that challenge us, because having our mindset suddenly challenged is a very demanding thing, and that's why I say For me, the most important issue with psychedelics has been coming face to face with my own baggage.
01:06:42.000That those words that I said to that other person two weeks ago, which I felt were totally justified and he absolutely deserved, actually I was behaving like a piece of shit.
01:06:52.000And I made him feel miserable and I should never have done that.
01:06:55.000And it's made me address issues like my... I have a problem with anger.
01:07:01.000And it's made me address issues like that and try not to do that.
01:07:05.000I may feel it inside, but I don't want to manifest it in my behavior.
01:07:08.000I actually, obviously, have no option but to concur because I don't want you getting all riled up.
01:07:13.000But also, I want to say that even when you say that the class of psychedelics demonstrates no addictive component, in fact, I would obviously not dispute that nor be in a position to refute it.
01:07:25.000It's just that I think the addiction takes place within the addict.
01:07:47.000But believe me, there's no one in this room, I bet, that wants to take psychedelics more fervidly I really do.
01:07:53.000Almost every interview I do, I try and invite you, Joe Rogan, and I'm always subtly trying to gabble-matte, trying to essentially get an inventory of people, so I can take academics now, so I can show people in my 12-step recovery, look, these people have said I can take drugs, and the people in 12-step recovery go, no, because you'll ruin your life like you've ruined ours.
01:08:16.000So I think it's an ongoing conversation.
01:08:17.000My advice to anybody interested in psychedelics is first of all realize that this is a very serious business.
01:08:23.000Psychedelics are extremely serious matter.
01:08:26.000Far, in my view, far more serious than cannabis, for example, which is not such a serious matter.
01:08:32.000You are going to be challenged in multiple ways with psychedelics.
01:08:35.000It's not just a fun you know, colorful trip. It's getting to grips with your
01:08:40.000own demons that psychedelics are about.
01:08:43.000I would say it's important. This is where we in the West can learn from shamanistic cultures.
01:08:48.000Shamanistic cultures in the Amazon have been working with ayahuasca for thousands of years.
01:08:52.000They've developed a set and a setting in which it's safe to drink ayahuasca.
01:08:56.000The purpose of the shaman is to intervene if an individual becomes deeply disturbed and troubled, which can happen.
01:09:03.000What I worry about with ayahuasca in the Western context is that ceremonies are being offered by people who haven't got a clue what they're doing and they're just basically drug dealers.
01:09:12.000You have to know what you're doing with psychedelics and that's where we need to sit at the feet of shamans if we want to deploy these substances and we need to learn from them.
01:09:23.000Earlier part of our conversation, Graham, I feel that as Vandana Shiva is fond of saying, our culture has become desacralized.
01:09:33.000To the earlier part of our conversation where we talked about our anthropological origins and what we could learn and emulate in a setting more comparable to a penitentiary or a zoo, is that We have forgotten how to have elders.
01:09:46.000We have forgotten how to integrate, how to run a democratic tribal society, much as we evolved for for hundreds of thousands of years.
01:09:56.000And, you know, psychedelics and ceremony and an ongoing acknowledgement of the sacred is part of that, a significant and crucial part of that.
01:10:06.000I'm so glad that we got to have this conversation and I'm very glad too, Graham, that we got to have it in front of a live audience so that you could feel some of the appreciation and love and respect that people have for you, for your work, and that when you're enduring the attacks and the criticism, feeling all riled up and angry, being a racist in a mixed-race family, it must be confusing, that you know that people really respect and revere your work and people love you.
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