Stay Free - Russel Brand - THE LEFT’S NEW STAR — What Zohran Mamdani’s Victory Really Means - SF647

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Radical Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello, you Awakening Wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand and what a fantastic and special show it is.

00:00:24.000 We are going to be talking about Mamdani.

00:00:26.000 We're communists now.

00:00:28.000 It's communism and we're Muslims.

00:00:30.000 Are we Muslims yet?

00:00:31.000 Have we become Dave?

00:00:33.000 Are you still Jesus?

00:00:34.000 I still love Jesus.

00:00:35.000 Jake's still Jesus. 0.51

00:00:36.000 Yeah.

00:00:37.000 Joe's still Jesus. 0.90

00:00:39.000 Christ is king.

00:00:41.000 Massey, where are you from again?

00:00:43.000 Iran.

00:00:44.000 Atheist, mate.

00:00:45.000 Atheist.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, let's see.

00:00:47.000 I told you it don't work, Persia. 1.00

00:00:49.000 Now, Bomb, now, so Mamdani has won that. 0.98

00:00:52.000 We'll be talking about that.

00:00:53.000 We're going to be talking about Guy Fawkes, that a plucky little fella who tried his damnest in the holy name of God to blow up the houses of parliament, but some snitch, some grass. 0.91

00:01:02.000 Like, that's what happened, Joe.

00:01:03.000 They would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for one of them wrote a letter to one of his mates who's in parliament and said, you might not want to go to work on the 5th of November.

00:01:13.000 A couple of us Catholics are thinking of making a bit of a storm.

00:01:19.000 Joe, don't be proud of Guy Fawkes.

00:01:21.000 We'll be talking about all that.

00:01:23.000 If you want to watch this show in this entire, click the link, get on Rumble.

00:01:26.000 We're going to be talking about, yes, Mamdani, we're going to be talking about revolution.

00:01:30.000 We're going to be talking about, and you might be interested in this, proof of actual God.

00:01:34.000 In case you've had doubts, we're going to prove the presence of God.

00:01:37.000 We're going to be talking a little bit about tipping because Massey wants to talk about that.

00:01:42.000 He's an atheist, so you know, he's got to cling on to every penny. 0.95

00:01:45.000 Got to enjoy it while you're here because this is all there is.

00:01:48.000 And we'll be talking about the Jamaica hurricane conspiracy.

00:01:50.000 I don't even know what that means.

00:01:54.000 Right now, I'm in Austin.

00:01:56.000 There might still be tickets available.

00:01:58.000 Look at that.

00:01:59.000 Look at how so vulnerable.

00:02:00.000 Oh, I've been accused of rape.

00:02:02.000 I'm knackered. 0.76

00:02:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:05.000 And then I'm going straight from that to the Bitcoin historical, a conference by the nation, national Bitcoin office.

00:02:11.000 I'm going to be in El Salvador pretty soon.

00:02:14.000 You can't come and see me in El Salvador.

00:02:15.000 And if you try, you'll end up in one of their super prisons.

00:02:18.000 I'm there with Mamdani.

00:02:21.000 Also, during this time, oh, no, Mamdani.

00:02:23.000 He's not there.

00:02:24.000 Bukay.

00:02:25.000 Bukayle is the first millennial president.

00:02:28.000 We'll be talking about that in a little bit.

00:02:31.000 And also, I'm going to be doing this event.

00:02:32.000 You can't come to that either.

00:02:33.000 I don't know why I'm promoting things you can't come to.

00:02:35.000 Maybe you can come to it.

00:02:36.000 I'm doing a lot of stuff is basically what I'm saying.

00:02:38.000 But right now what we're doing is we're talking about...

00:02:41.000 Yeah, they can't go, but just know.

00:02:43.000 Just know that's what we're doing.

00:02:45.000 Cool things are happening.

00:02:46.000 Cool things are happening everywhere.

00:02:48.000 Let's have a look.

00:02:49.000 All right.

00:02:49.000 So look, let's talk about this Mamdani thing briefly before we move into our stuff.

00:02:53.000 Because I know, like, because I do this other podcast, actual fans, no, only friends.

00:02:59.000 No, only friends.

00:03:01.000 Actual friends.

00:03:02.000 Actual friends.

00:03:03.000 Actually, I love Dave Rubin and Sage Steele and Jillian.

00:03:08.000 Yeah, that's you forget my name all the time, too.

00:03:11.000 I know you're called Jake.

00:03:12.000 One time I got it wrong outside the Bible Museum. 0.99

00:03:14.000 One time, because of that, that fucking Hungarian missionary, Josh. 1.00

00:03:20.000 We were outside the Bible Museum, and Dave, for some reason, brought a Hungarian missionary with us on a trip where I was. 0.99

00:03:26.000 You always need a Hungarian missionary to come with you. 1.00

00:03:29.000 If you don't have a Hungarian missionary, how are you going to convert those filthy Hungarians? 1.00

00:03:34.000 They'll be up and down the Danube worshiping Mohammed. 0.99

00:03:38.000 They'll be worshiping Mohammed on the Danube if you're not careful. 1.00

00:03:42.000 Anyway, I called Jake Josh by mistake when introducing Jake to the people at the Bible Museum where I'd been sleeping at a Bible museum.

00:03:51.000 Let's have a look.

00:03:51.000 Let's not get into that.

00:03:52.000 Let's firstly cover Mambani and what it means for democracy and whether it's important or not.

00:03:56.000 I was talking about it on OnlyFriends, actual friends.

00:03:59.000 I was talking about it on actual friends and they're worried about it.

00:04:02.000 They're worried about sort of communism and all that kind of stuff.

00:04:05.000 But here's my view.

00:04:06.000 Dave, here's my view is that you can't, nothing will happen.

00:04:10.000 Nothing will happen.

00:04:11.000 And the sort of, you know, when, well, things will happen, things will happen, but things happen all the time anyway.

00:04:15.000 It doesn't make no difference.

00:04:16.000 The institutions of political power are so coercively tight that I don't think it matters.

00:04:22.000 But, you know, what do I know?

00:04:23.000 Let's have a look at his victory speech.

00:04:24.000 What Rubin and them were pointing out is that he was a lot more aggie.

00:04:29.000 He was a lot once he's had his victory, he's a bit more like before.

00:04:31.000 He was like, they were saying that he was very sort of calm and patient and like a real little darling when he was campaigning.

00:04:39.000 You called him, he was a little bit more aggy. 1.00

00:04:41.000 Oh, yeah, Aggie, like up for aggravation. 0.98

00:04:44.000 That means something different in the South.

00:04:46.000 Yeah.

00:04:46.000 Oh, Aggie, what does that mean in the South?

00:04:48.000 Aggies.

00:04:49.000 Texas AM.

00:04:50.000 Oh, man.

00:04:51.000 I don't know how I feel about Texas AM.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 What is that?

00:04:54.000 I don't even know how to translate that to you.

00:04:56.000 Don't act like your language is better.

00:04:58.000 We invented language and you are borrowing English and frankly, you've damaged it. 0.71

00:05:03.000 Let's have a look at Mamdani being Aggie in an English way, not in a southern way. 0.79

00:05:07.000 They can't even describe what it means.

00:05:09.000 New York will remain a city of immigrants. 1.00

00:05:12.000 A city built by immigrants.

00:05:16.000 Powered by immigrants. 1.00

00:05:20.000 And as of tonight, led by an immigrant.

00:05:29.000 If you accept the term immigrant, in a way, you're accepting national borders and the idea of migration.

00:05:39.000 In a way, ultimately, the only kingdom that matters, the only domain that matters is the kingdom of God.

00:05:45.000 Thy kingdom come.

00:05:46.000 Thy will be done.

00:05:48.000 Of course, though, Mamdani is not speaking in a vacuum.

00:05:50.000 He's speaking in a dialectic space that's been created by, let's say, at least 12 years of division, people talking about migration, nationalism, and patriotism.

00:06:01.000 I'm a migrant right now in the United States.

00:06:04.000 In fact, I would call myself an exile, a political exile.

00:06:08.000 And I feel like this is the point I made when I was with a much more right-wing type of crowd.

00:06:14.000 I said, all the people that are really scared about Trump and stuff should be heartened that while Trump is president, there is enough systemic democratic freedom that you can get elected democratically a Muslim migrant mayor.

00:06:29.000 But I would say that these categories, Muslim migrant, are not ultimately important categories. 0.99

00:06:36.000 Go on then, Massey, you filthy Muslim migrant. 1.00

00:06:40.000 He's using the term immigrant in two different ways, right? 0.99

00:06:43.000 The whole we're a nation of immigrants, meaning everybody other than the Native Americans is an immigrant to America.

00:06:49.000 So it means everyone was an immigrant.

00:06:50.000 But then he says, and as from today, led by an immigrant. 0.69

00:06:53.000 But if everyone in America is an immigrant, hasn't it always been led by an immigrant? 0.96

00:06:59.000 Yeah, that's brilliant.

00:07:00.000 You've pointed out very, very quickly there that that language is disingenuous.

00:07:05.000 And I suppose that's what's happened in the cultural space we've been living in.

00:07:09.000 People like the Queen of Hearts just use language to mean what they want it to mean.

00:07:14.000 Like, you know, in this moment, immigrant means this.

00:07:17.000 In this moment, immigrant means that.

00:07:19.000 And what I was trying to say to them a lot on old actual friends yesterday was, well, look, let's not do here what the left did to Trump when Trump was campaigning.

00:07:31.000 Let's not be hysterical and say, this guy is going to be the worst thing in the world. 0.99

00:07:34.000 He's a Nazi. 1.00

00:07:36.000 Just see. 0.98

00:07:36.000 My personal belief is it won't be that bloody different. 0.98

00:07:39.000 You wouldn't even notice.

00:07:40.000 Like the same sort of stuff will happen.

00:07:42.000 Like I, what I felt like, say, like Obama in a Trump.

00:07:46.000 Like, was it really that different?

00:07:47.000 Like, I don't know who I'm at at worst risk of offending because Trump supporters will go, no, it was so different after Trump took over after Obama.

00:07:57.000 And Obama's supporters go, no, it was different in a bad way.

00:08:00.000 But I just think, right, that different.

00:08:02.000 People are like, well, you know, I think things could be really different.

00:08:05.000 It makes me wonder if, you know, people who come in with all these great intentions to bring change, you know, we're going to drain the swamp.

00:08:12.000 And then they get into the position, they go like, we can't do anything.

00:08:16.000 You know, like they have no power to it.

00:08:19.000 So will a communist be able to do the change he actually wants or a socialist?

00:08:24.000 Or are they going to get into politics and go, it's all rigged?

00:08:28.000 You know what people say when they go, you know, what are the best two days when you buy, you know, the best two days of having a boat, the day you buy the boat and the day you sell the boat, they say.

00:08:38.000 And I bet like that's the best you'll see of Mamdani. 1.00

00:08:41.000 That.

00:08:41.000 That's as good as it's going to get.

00:08:43.000 Like he's going, yes, yes, I've won.

00:08:45.000 Then there'll be a bit where he leaves where he's like, oh, listen, it wasn't like what I thought it was going to be.

00:08:49.000 You know, when you get off a roller coaster, oh my God.

00:08:53.000 Or like, you know, like it's we like he will have it.

00:08:55.000 He'll have to deal with the limitations and restrictions that come with political office.

00:08:59.000 Even a maverick outsider like Trump, who I believe that the majority of opposition, let's say, you know, the kind of opposition that's expressed by the BBC editing his speeches to make him seem worse than he is.

00:09:11.000 Have a look at that video from earlier this week.

00:09:13.000 We'll show you a clip of that later.

00:09:14.000 You're going to love it.

00:09:14.000 Have a look.

00:09:15.000 Like, he's like when this dude leaves office, like, yeah, sorry, what I want to say is like that, even a maverick like Trump, is the war between Ukraine and Russia over?

00:09:28.000 Oh, no.

00:09:30.000 Is there peace in the Middle East? 0.98

00:09:32.000 No.

00:09:33.000 Has Big Pharma been crushed?

00:09:35.000 Is the military industrial complex?

00:09:37.000 Like, again, I'm not like, I actually, for what it's worth, think that Trump is a sort of an amazing human being.

00:09:43.000 And the problems that you get with Trump are the problems you get with political systems.

00:09:46.000 And they don't radically alter in spite of the hysteria that much, not nearly enough, in fact, no matter who you put in office.

00:09:53.000 That's my personal opinion.

00:09:54.000 And I'm sticking to it.

00:09:56.000 If anyone's got anything to add to it, then you can.

00:09:59.000 Otherwise, I'm going to show a picture of Mamdani with Alex Soros.

00:10:05.000 There he is.

00:10:06.000 Alex Soros.

00:10:08.000 They're having a nice time.

00:10:08.000 There they are.

00:10:09.000 I mean, I suppose that's like, look, by the way, is he a communist?

00:10:13.000 Is he a communist really?

00:10:14.000 I mean, what do people mean by communists?

00:10:18.000 Total state control of everything.

00:10:22.000 What do they mean?

00:10:24.000 Socialism in the extreme.

00:10:26.000 Everybody, we should cater to lowest common denominator. 0.99

00:10:29.000 Rather than some people having great healthcare, everyone has shit healthcare. 0.99

00:10:33.000 And the one thing we can all agree on is everything is getting shitter anyway. 0.99

00:10:36.000 So I suppose he can claim victory with that.

00:10:39.000 But the whole point of that picture is he's meant to be against billionaires.

00:10:42.000 He's literally rallying against billionaires.

00:10:44.000 And then there you go.

00:10:45.000 He's with Alex Soros.

00:10:47.000 People are content to settle for rhetoric.

00:10:52.000 We've been coached to just is enough to, I want someone that says these sorts of things.

00:10:56.000 I'd like someone who says these sorts of things.

00:10:58.000 But like, it doesn't matter.

00:11:00.000 It's not going to make no difference. 0.95

00:11:01.000 If you were really genuinely even an actual communist, you'd go, I'm not fucking businessing with Alex Soros or any of them billionaires. 0.70

00:11:09.000 It wouldn't, yeah, you wouldn't be down. 0.94

00:11:11.000 You wouldn't be down.

00:11:12.000 New Yorkers rip into Curtis Slyer for splitting the vote and costing the election.

00:11:18.000 Who is Curtis?

00:11:19.000 Can one of you Americans tell me what that means?

00:11:22.000 Sleewar, it is.

00:11:23.000 Because I'm thinking about Curtis Steiger.

00:11:26.000 Curtis Steiger.

00:11:27.000 It can't be him.

00:11:28.000 I wonder why we hold on with tears in our eyes.

00:11:35.000 And I wonder why, I wonder why.

00:11:36.000 It's a bit like Michael Bolton.

00:11:38.000 Is it him?

00:11:40.000 It's not him.

00:11:41.000 No.

00:11:42.000 He actually hates Andrew Cuomo and he took about 8% of the vote and everyone was urging him to do the right thing and step out of the race so that people who didn't want to vote for Mamdani would know who to vote for. 0.97

00:11:54.000 So they basically the argument is that if he didn't hate Cuomo that much, he could have had it so Cuomo would have won and so New York wouldn't go to shit is what most people think. 0.77

00:12:04.000 But this video is really funny because this is, you know, Mamdani's like, say he thanks everybody, all these immigrants, people in Bodegas and all this. 0.91

00:12:12.000 Whereas this is an actual New Yorker and he doesn't once mention New Yorkers in his speech, but this is an actual New Yorker talking about what he thinks of Curtis Sleewan.

00:12:18.000 I thought it was pretty funny.

00:12:20.000 Curtis, I'll send it to him because you don't like either. 1.00

00:12:23.000 Hey, Curtis, you're a fucking scumbag, like I said all along, all these months. 1.00

00:12:28.000 You fucking got 8% of the vote. 1.00

00:12:30.000 You split the fucking vote for the $7 fucking million dollars. 1.00

00:12:34.000 You were a scummer. 1.00

00:12:36.000 New Yorker spits in your fucking face every single day you fucking sold out like fucking Judas sold out fucking Jesus Well, thanks, Granddad. 1.00

00:12:46.000 I appreciate your support. 1.00

00:12:48.000 And I'll see you at the christening.

00:12:51.000 Yeah, like, I say, that guy.

00:12:53.000 I wish he was a little bit more direct.

00:12:56.000 You never know what people are thinking these days.

00:12:58.000 What do you mean?

00:12:59.000 What does he mean, though?

00:13:01.000 What does he mean by that?

00:13:02.000 What kind of Aggie is that? 1.00

00:13:04.000 Anyway, we pulled a little bit of scripture because the truth of it is this.

00:13:08.000 Even though in general, I reckon Trump and MAGA is better at disrupting the kind of globalist imperialist powers that would seek to replace God's authority with endless bureaucracy.

00:13:22.000 I ain't like opposed to anything.

00:13:24.000 I believe that you should be in charge of your own life and you should democratically run your own community.

00:13:28.000 I try and say it all the time.

00:13:29.000 One of these days it will catch on.

00:13:31.000 Let's have a look at this bit of scripture that Jake pulled for us that sort of helps us to understand the complexity of current power and where we might be from a scriptural perspective from Timothy.

00:13:42.000 But understand this, that in the last days, there will come times of difficulty for people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness but denying its power.

00:14:12.000 Avoid such people.

00:14:14.000 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of truth.

00:14:28.000 Oh, it's such a relief, innit, to hear like truth.

00:14:32.000 Like one of the things that I've just found so exhausting and one of the reasons that we had the break that we've just been having is because bought on and heightened by the murder of Charlie Kirk, I felt like I was in a continual tundra of unwinnable conversation, just senselessness and hate and people not having any principles and just the pursuit of endless expedience.

00:14:57.000 And then like scripture is like a bomb.

00:15:00.000 Just to hear that, I think, it's all right that I don't know.

00:15:03.000 It's all right that I'm broken.

00:15:05.000 It's all right that I'm weak.

00:15:07.000 And it's right that you are as well.

00:15:09.000 And you don't have to pretend anymore.

00:15:12.000 You don't have to pretend that you know what you're doing.

00:15:15.000 What you have to do is surrender to God, repent and accept God.

00:15:18.000 Of course you don't know what to do.

00:15:19.000 Why would you know what to do?

00:15:21.000 How could you know what to do?

00:15:23.000 We'll be talking about these subjects, hopefully from a spiritual perspective.

00:15:26.000 Over there in the UK is my beloved friend Joe, one of the great reporters.

00:15:30.000 Some are calling him since his wonderful work on the Tommy Robinson Patriot March.

00:15:35.000 I can't remember what they called it no more.

00:15:36.000 Massey, who cuts up our content, Jake, who's running the desk and runs our show, and Dave, whose studio we use here, who has his own podcast, Shoot Me Straight.

00:15:45.000 You can connect with that here.

00:15:46.000 There's a link there, there, by my mic.

00:15:49.000 There, it's there.

00:15:49.000 There, I keep it there.

00:15:50.000 It's in there somewhere.

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00:17:11.000 Welcome back.

00:17:12.000 We'll be with you wherever you're watching us for a little while on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:17:16.000 I'm joined by the people that make this show possible.

00:17:19.000 If you haven't got Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium Now, right?

00:17:22.000 And now we are in El Salvador.

00:17:26.000 Well, maybe we're in El Salvador.

00:17:28.000 Are we in Austin?

00:17:29.000 Austin.

00:17:29.000 We're in Austin.

00:17:30.000 I'm in Austin doing the first stand-up show for a long time.

00:17:34.000 Then I'll be in El Salvador.

00:17:35.000 Then I'll be in Washington, D.C.

00:17:37.000 The fact is that this is pre-taped, but we're trying to keep it as raw and live as possible.

00:17:42.000 We wouldn't insult you by cutting out the many errors and mistakes.

00:17:46.000 Joe, you'll be joining me in El Salvador.

00:17:49.000 How's your preparations for that trip going?

00:17:51.000 Do you feel ready and do you feel okay?

00:17:54.000 Yeah, it's not been so straightforward.

00:17:56.000 Why are you making it complicated?

00:17:56.000 What's the matter?

00:17:57.000 I've given you the money for the ticket.

00:17:59.000 What's the problem?

00:18:00.000 They won't give me an Esther again.

00:18:01.000 I can't even change flight in the States at the minute.

00:18:04.000 But the good old Colombians will let me change your Bogota. 1.00

00:18:08.000 Yeah, you be careful in Bogota.

00:18:11.000 I like Bogota.

00:18:13.000 Of course you do.

00:18:14.000 Just get it sorted out.

00:18:14.000 So you're coming.

00:18:15.000 Just buy the ticket.

00:18:16.000 Don't complicate it and don't do anything weird.

00:18:18.000 Because I spoke to my wife and she said he's she said Joe has turned the simple business of acquiring a ticket to El Salvador in a situation and she used this phrase, he's in cahoots with an Indian. 0.98

00:18:31.000 Now, I don't know what that even means.

00:18:34.000 Why are you in cahoots with an Indian? 1.00

00:18:36.000 They sold me a ticket that wasn't available, right?

00:18:40.000 Then he's telling me, but now we've had a cancellation.

00:18:43.000 So for an extra 200 quid, you can have that seat.

00:18:46.000 I said, why don't you give me the one that you sold me?

00:18:49.000 Oh, well, it wasn't there and we shouldn't have even had it on the website.

00:18:51.000 I said, well, that's your fault, isn't it?

00:18:52.000 Let me have that one at the price.

00:18:55.000 It's his funny.

00:18:56.000 It's his favorite thing.

00:18:56.000 I think I've never talked to anybody to buy a ticket before like that.

00:18:59.000 Like that's on a phone?

00:19:01.000 No online?

00:19:03.000 I bought it online.

00:19:05.000 Then they emailed me this morning saying, please call us urgently.

00:19:08.000 Right.

00:19:09.000 Then he's trying to flog me a ticket where I'd have to change in the States and he didn't understand the concept of not being allowed an Esther.

00:19:17.000 What kind of website did you buy this from?

00:19:20.000 El Salvadorflight.com for people who have slash for people who have a hard time traveling to different countries.com.

00:19:29.000 There's a lot of questions.

00:19:31.000 Dave's got what was yours, Dave?

00:19:32.000 Yeah, did you pay in crypto?

00:19:35.000 No, should have done.

00:19:37.000 I'd have taken it straight.

00:19:39.000 I told him I wanted a refund and he said, we'll issue you a refund, but you'll have it in five days.

00:19:45.000 I said, well, how does that work?

00:19:46.000 You've sold me something you haven't even got.

00:19:48.000 And now you're telling me I'm going to have my money back next week.

00:19:50.000 I wasn't just taking the completely space.

00:19:53.000 It's ready to fight.

00:19:56.000 Very angry.

00:19:59.000 Yeah.

00:20:00.000 Do you remember when we was arguing with that farmer, Joe?

00:20:03.000 Oh, Wilmer.

00:20:05.000 In Costa Rica.

00:20:06.000 I remember that guy.

00:20:08.000 No, after that farmer buy my house that you was arguing with.

00:20:12.000 Oh, you remember Wilma's name?

00:20:15.000 Wilma.

00:20:16.000 Yeah, I remember that farmer as well.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, we nearly had a straightener for driving through his fields.

00:20:20.000 Don't fight, no more farmers.

00:20:22.000 No more fighting.

00:20:24.000 Now, listen, what we've got to do is we've got to get you to El Salvador because I need you there for that Bitcoin conference.

00:20:29.000 I'm interviewing Bukay, the president of that whole country.

00:20:32.000 He's the first.

00:20:33.000 Was it you that said it, Dave, like the first millennial president of a country?

00:20:37.000 He's the first person who's got the vibe of a tech entrepreneur that's in charge of a country.

00:20:41.000 And he's doing all sorts of stuff that's pretty, well, is this true?

00:20:45.000 Is this Massey's a sort of post-structuralist?

00:20:47.000 It'll pull this apart.

00:20:48.000 Like, what I think is, is that there's not been a leader like that before, someone that's a different strain of populism.

00:20:55.000 Or could you argue that with banging people up in jail, left, right, and center, big 50,000 person Nicks, that he's actually just an old school authoritarian?

00:21:03.000 What do you think?

00:21:05.000 Yeah, I reckon it's like a bit of both, isn't it?

00:21:08.000 He's got all the, well, he's made Bitcoin the reserve currency of his country.

00:21:14.000 So he's the first country to do that.

00:21:15.000 But at the same time, he's law and order.

00:21:17.000 Let's lock everyone up.

00:21:18.000 It's like, yeah, well, I just had a tattoo.

00:21:20.000 I'm not in a gang.

00:21:20.000 It doesn't matter getting the slammer.

00:21:22.000 So I think he's a bit of both.

00:21:24.000 I think politicians are always going to be the same as you go forward, except they're going to have little flavors of new things.

00:21:30.000 This guy might be on TikTok.

00:21:31.000 Trump was on Twitter.

00:21:32.000 This guy's got Bitcoin as his reserve currency.

00:21:35.000 It's all the same at the end of the day, though, isn't it?

00:21:37.000 Do as I say.

00:21:38.000 I've got the guns.

00:21:39.000 What do you think, Dave?

00:21:41.000 I think he locked up 1% of the population, I believe.

00:21:44.000 1% of the population.

00:21:46.000 I mean, it was the ⁇ wasn't El Salvador like the most dangerous, at least the most dangerous Latin American company in a country, I believe. 0.61

00:21:54.000 But what I like about him is I think he's young.

00:21:56.000 He's like 43, I think.

00:21:59.000 I think he's in the, because they count millennials from like 1980, typically, 1980 or above.

00:22:08.000 And 1980 is the cutout.

00:22:10.000 But he's got that disruptor mentality where he's coming in and going, okay, this system doesn't work.

00:22:17.000 I'm not going to, I'm going to try and come in and like reinvent.

00:22:21.000 Like, let's figure this out.

00:22:22.000 Well, we're interviewing him and the interview will be this show one of the days, won't it, Jake?

00:22:27.000 If we want it to be, we could do whatever we want.

00:22:30.000 I think we should do that.

00:22:31.000 And then I'm going to ask him these questions directly.

00:22:34.000 Look, I worry when I wear this hat, two things.

00:22:37.000 I've said before, is it Otto from The Simpsons?

00:22:40.000 Or my wife said when Edward Scissorans does that robbery, like she thinks I look like when Edward Scissorands does a robbery.

00:22:51.000 In fact, he didn't even do the robbery. 0.99

00:22:53.000 He was set up by that other bastard. 0.99

00:22:56.000 But do I look like that? 0.99

00:22:57.000 Or is someone going to say, you look cool, Russell?

00:22:59.000 You look cool.

00:22:59.000 I like that you're wearing hats because you never used to wear hats and you were worried about how the hats looked.

00:23:06.000 And now it looks so natural that I wouldn't have even thought about it.

00:23:10.000 Thank you.

00:23:11.000 Now, my next gripe is that Jake's shot is nicer than mine.

00:23:15.000 Tell me, you lot, do you like, you've got that American flag behind him?

00:23:18.000 He looks like General Patton.

00:23:19.000 He's got that nice light up coming under his face.

00:23:21.000 What do you think?

00:23:22.000 Let me just add some of that.

00:23:24.000 I was in Dave's shot and you thought that was a better shot.

00:23:27.000 I'm scoring today.

00:23:29.000 Yeah.

00:23:29.000 It's mad.

00:23:30.000 I think it's Jake.

00:23:31.000 Jake's very handsome.

00:23:34.000 Maybe I'm too insecure to have handsome.

00:23:36.000 Hey, you need to show everybody you're a barkster.

00:23:39.000 Oh, that's you.

00:23:43.000 Look at these sweet babies. 0.97

00:23:44.000 And look, what people won't know, perhaps.

00:23:47.000 He's like, what the f- Dave, what is this?

00:23:51.000 This doesn't feel like a prop.

00:23:53.000 We're sure it's not loaded?

00:23:55.000 Yeah, I'll just keep it upward because I'm not.

00:23:57.000 What's that?

00:23:58.000 Dave!

00:24:00.000 That's a clip.

00:24:03.000 Is this safe for me to do this? 1.00

00:24:05.000 Before I answer, remember I am an idiot. 1.00

00:24:10.000 Couldn't do that in England. 1.00

00:24:12.000 No, you couldn't do that in England.

00:24:14.000 I tell you, you can see why people like guns because it's just absolutely gorgeous, isn't it?

00:24:19.000 That's cool.

00:24:21.000 Yeah, well, I'm just again a little bit sick and tired of the old government telling me what to do and the media lying about me.

00:24:27.000 Enough's enough, fellas.

00:24:30.000 Now that makes sense.

00:24:31.000 What is this firearm?

00:24:33.000 It's a short barrel rifle.

00:24:34.000 It's got a suppressor on it, elevated silence, suppressor.

00:24:38.000 Don't look in the barrel.

00:24:40.000 Hello.

00:24:41.000 You never.

00:24:42.000 Check your rules, Russell.

00:24:44.000 Never point a gun at anyone.

00:24:49.000 That's so harm's way.

00:24:51.000 Guns always loaded.

00:24:53.000 I was pretty happy with it.

00:24:53.000 Thank you.

00:24:55.000 All right, then.

00:24:56.000 We're talking about, as we clearly are, the endless potential and necessity for revolution.

00:25:01.000 It's bonfire night in the UK. 0.99

00:25:02.000 You stinking lousy Americans who abandoned us after everything we've done for you. 1.00

00:25:07.000 Firstly, Jamestown. 1.00

00:25:08.000 Secondly, we planted that tobacco.

00:25:11.000 Thirdly, Plymouth Rock.

00:25:13.000 We didn't land on Plymouth Rock.

00:25:15.000 Actually, we did.

00:25:17.000 I have a theory.

00:25:18.000 Go on.

00:25:19.000 I was watching these old clips, you know, on our unpacked series.

00:25:22.000 We're doing a lot more historical references, pulling back for some old clips.

00:25:27.000 I think what's hurt the UK is that the microphone technology has gotten better.

00:25:32.000 The cameras have gotten better.

00:25:33.000 Because every time you look at black and white and it's like, you know, kind of distorted microphone, they sound way cooler.

00:25:42.000 Like when the Queen's doing an address and it's like, hello, my subjects.

00:25:48.000 Or like the clip we just watched.

00:25:50.000 Enoch Powell.

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:52.000 That sounded cool.

00:25:53.000 But if he would have been an HD in a microphone, he would have been like, come my pants off.

00:25:59.000 It's like Kier Starmer.

00:26:01.000 He needs to go to black and white.

00:26:03.000 He needs to get one of those microphones that have like the, you know, the big, I don't know.

00:26:08.000 Yeah, like those BBC ones are like that.

00:26:10.000 It's like a load of bread.

00:26:10.000 It's a pressing the nation.

00:26:12.000 Kirstarber here, they're this.

00:26:14.000 You slot.

00:26:15.000 I've had a dates test to spawn it and deserve a bit of bleeding respect, don't I?

00:26:20.000 A couple of red boys just set fire to me perishing car for some reason. 0.56

00:26:24.000 Don't know what it was to do with it.

00:26:25.000 Right.

00:26:26.000 We're a country out of time.

00:26:28.000 Well, what it look, firstly, that was insulting, what you said.

00:26:33.000 Secondly, bonfire night is a period of great revolutionary fervor in the UK.

00:26:39.000 And Massey has some good points about this that I'm going to steal as my own.

00:26:43.000 Bonfire night is initially like a celebration of the execution of some rebels that were going to blow up the houses of parliament.

00:26:52.000 Everyone knows that.

00:26:54.000 But in the 80s and 90s, bonfires were a big local communal event.

00:26:59.000 People would go down to the local wreck or football ground.

00:27:01.000 And as Massey pointed out, it sounded like someone talking about 100 years ago, even though I kind of actually remember it myself.

00:27:07.000 They would set up a bonfire and it would be there for like a month, people adding stuff to it and growing a bonfire like on the wreck or on the village screen.

00:27:15.000 Now they don't do that no more because health and safety is all over everything.

00:27:20.000 So bonfire night, even though it's been customarily a celebration of, well, Protestant government power over Catholic rebels, but also the idea of rebellion.

00:27:30.000 Like we burn literal effigies, like a penny for the guy.

00:27:35.000 Little kids would make a guy. 0.94

00:27:36.000 Oh my God, this is weird.

00:27:38.000 It sounds like made up.

00:27:39.000 Little kids would make a guy, like and sort of stuff it and maybe put a mask on it and push it around in a wheelbarrow going, penny for the guy, mister.

00:27:46.000 Penny for the guy.

00:27:47.000 I mean, I've done that in my life.

00:27:49.000 Penny for the guy, mister.

00:27:50.000 Why, Dave?

00:27:51.000 Don't you have penny fire?

00:27:52.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.

00:27:53.000 What the heck are you talking about?

00:27:56.000 They would make a guy.

00:27:57.000 Yeah, we make a guy.

00:27:58.000 Penny for the guy, mister.

00:28:00.000 Penny for the guy.

00:28:01.000 You make a guy.

00:28:03.000 Guy Fawkes, you know, he is the effigy.

00:28:06.000 Guy Fawkes.

00:28:07.000 Oh, yeah, I've not mentioned Guy Fawkes.

00:28:08.000 No.

00:28:09.000 Explain who explain what the gunpowder treason plot, and then we'll get to Penny for the guy.

00:28:17.000 Narrative disjunct.

00:28:18.000 All right, okay.

00:28:19.000 Go back to black and white. 1.00

00:28:20.000 Remember, all right, shut up, you fucking cunts. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Remember, remember the 5th of November. 1.00

00:28:27.000 Gunpowder, treason, and plot.

00:28:29.000 I see no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

00:28:34.000 Guy Fawkes weren't even really the main leader.

00:28:37.000 He was just the schmo that got busted down underneath the sewers of Parliament, where 13 men, Catholics, have decided they were going to blow up King James on the opening of Parliament. 0.98

00:28:47.000 They had barrels of gunpowder down there.

00:28:49.000 And at the prearranged time, they were going to blow up Parliament and bring about a Catholic revolution. 0.93

00:28:57.000 One of the geezers, his mate, was in Parliament, and he goes, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to write a letter to my friend letting him know not to come to work that day. 1.00

00:29:06.000 A la 9-11.

00:29:09.000 And like, so that geezer grassed them up and like went, oh, there's a plot going on down in the basement.

00:29:15.000 So they got nicked while they were down there.

00:29:17.000 The police all arrived, the rest of them.

00:29:19.000 Guy Fawkes was hung, drawn, and quartered, all chopped up, and then burned.

00:29:24.000 And every year, ever since then, we celebrate that event by burning effigies of Guy Fawkes.

00:29:31.000 Penny for the guy.

00:29:32.000 You're right, Massey.

00:29:33.000 There was a lot of exposition.

00:29:34.000 I was much too early.

00:29:36.000 I was much too early.

00:29:37.000 The guy, like, give it to me.

00:29:39.000 Penny for the guy, mister.

00:29:40.000 No, the guy is the thing that you've made.

00:29:42.000 You're a little boy.

00:29:43.000 You're a little boy.

00:29:44.000 You've made a guy.

00:29:45.000 Penny for the guy, mister.

00:29:47.000 You would have said you guys have.

00:29:49.000 No, no, Guy Richie.

00:29:50.000 You guys have Halloween.

00:29:51.000 That's a really big thing in the States.

00:29:53.000 In England, Halloween isn't really that big a thing.

00:29:56.000 For us, it's bonfire.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, well, it is these days, but it was traditionally been bonfire night.

00:30:01.000 Bonfire night is 5th of November.

00:30:03.000 I knew it growing up because that's when we'd see fireworks.

00:30:05.000 Now, you guys obviously have July 4th.

00:30:07.000 I don't know the reason why you have fireworks on July 4th, but for us, it's signifying what would have happened if the houses of parliament would have gone up.

00:30:14.000 But as well as the fireworks, we have a local bonfire on the field just around the corner from your house where people throw all beds, pieces of wood that they've got, and they'd burn an effigy that children have made.

00:30:25.000 A dummy of Guy Fawkes.

00:30:27.000 It sounds so pagan and weird.

00:30:28.000 Did you want to want Parliament to burn?

00:30:31.000 I did want Parliament to burn.

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 I'm like it's out now.

00:30:39.000 He doesn't mean that.

00:30:40.000 Russell Brand banned from England for wanting Parliament.

00:30:43.000 Burn it down. 0.86

00:30:44.000 Burn it right down. 1.00

00:30:45.000 It's the only way they'll fucking learn. 0.99

00:30:47.000 To watch the rest of this content, click the link in the description. 0.99

00:30:49.000 We can't keep giving this stuff away to YouTube, those imperialist swine hunts.

00:30:53.000 Get over to Rumble and click the link.

00:30:55.000 We're going to be talking about so much more there.

00:30:57.000 Join us.

00:30:58.000 But like, okay, so let's look.

00:30:59.000 We've got some things here.

00:31:00.000 This is a Guy Fawkes effigy.

00:31:02.000 That's look, so you understand it.

00:31:03.000 That's a very good one.

00:31:04.000 That's like from a movie, I would suggest.

00:31:06.000 Yeah, like a witch hunt.

00:31:07.000 Yeah, like that can witch. 0.99

00:31:08.000 And there's poor Guy Fawkes.

00:31:10.000 Here's more of a like, that's little kids doing it.

00:31:12.000 Penny for the guy.

00:31:13.000 Penny for the guy.

00:31:13.000 They stop.

00:31:14.000 See those little urchins? 1.00

00:31:15.000 Look at them, little darlings, little British kids. 1.00

00:31:17.000 Lovely.

00:31:18.000 Now, note the mask.

00:31:20.000 Do you see that?

00:31:20.000 That mask is familiar.

00:31:22.000 You see that?

00:31:23.000 Because in the movie Viva Vendetta, that famous mask, the anonymous mask, is the face of Guy Fawkes.

00:31:31.000 Wow.

00:31:32.000 Because why?

00:31:33.000 Because Guy Fawkes is the anti-establishment rebel.

00:31:37.000 That's what Viva Vendetta is.

00:31:39.000 Right?

00:31:40.000 I'm into it now.

00:31:41.000 Now, look at this.

00:31:42.000 It's cool, isn't it?

00:31:43.000 Told you.

00:31:44.000 Now, look at that.

00:31:45.000 That's a traditional British bonfire night.

00:31:47.000 Look at the sparks.

00:31:48.000 Look at the joy.

00:31:49.000 There's none of the mad pageantry and patriotism of the 5th of July.

00:31:53.000 Let it, 4th of July, sorry.

00:31:56.000 Let it go, guys.

00:31:57.000 Let it go.

00:31:59.000 We were doing a good job of running that colony.

00:32:01.000 And do you know that one year when I got into one of my earlier scandals when I got in trouble in the UK?

00:32:06.000 You know, I'm always in trouble in the UK.

00:32:08.000 I have been whole time for the famous.

00:32:09.000 It never stops.

00:32:10.000 This was one time they burned effigies.

00:32:12.000 Look at that.

00:32:13.000 They burned effigy.

00:32:13.000 And I'm not even the bigger effigy.

00:32:16.000 Like, that was me and Jonathan Ross being set fire to.

00:32:18.000 In Kent, they used to like burn a baddie.

00:32:21.000 When David Beckham, one time, got sent off during a World Cup quarterfinal against Argentina for a foul on Diego Simeone.

00:32:29.000 He, um, there were effigies of him hung and burned.

00:32:32.000 There's a weird pagan undercurrent in the UK, and there a weird pagan undercurrent.

00:32:38.000 So Massey offered up that the reason that you know that this tradition has died out is health and safety.

00:32:46.000 Even though it's an odd celebration of you know, killing rebels, really, it'd be like burning Martin Luther King or something.

00:32:53.000 Like it's a, it's uh, it's, it's died out now because of a kind of like a health and safety prohibitions and restrictions, is the assumption.

00:33:03.000 Go on, Massey.

00:33:04.000 The problem I've found is that like when we moved to where we live in Birkenhead, it was around the beginning of November, and we met everybody in the community at the bonfire for bonfire night.

00:33:16.000 That kind of disappeared early 2000s.

00:33:19.000 There'd be bonfires everywhere in England.

00:33:21.000 You'd drive around and you'd see fireworks in the sky and then every field it felt like had a bonfire.

00:33:25.000 I'm sure Russell and Joe can remember this stuff.

00:33:27.000 Whereas nowadays you don't have that and it's just another thing of community that's gone.

00:33:32.000 Weird as it is that we're burning an effigy, really it's about us all getting together and burning an old bed that I've got and standing around and talking to each other.

00:33:39.000 And I was just thinking that initially it was there to celebrate the fact that they'd saved government.

00:33:45.000 Whereas now I think bonfires being around is a threat to government because the more community you have, the less likely you are to say, hey, you should put your mask on, you know, support the NHS and all that kind of stuff.

00:33:56.000 So sorry, Joe, go ahead.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 Now I was going to say, you say that, right?

00:33:59.000 Have you ever been to Lewis Fireworks?

00:34:01.000 Lewis in East Sussex.

00:34:03.000 Right?

00:34:04.000 They do it big there.

00:34:05.000 They're right into it.

00:34:06.000 It's like their biggest time a year, the fireworks night.

00:34:09.000 They burn effigies of everything.

00:34:10.000 They even had a massive one of the Pope going up in flames.

00:34:14.000 The successor of Peter up in flames.

00:34:17.000 It was demonic.

00:34:18.000 It was horrible.

00:34:19.000 And they're all loving it.

00:34:21.000 So is that a police for that one?

00:34:24.000 Is that a like a because there's two types of bonfires?

00:34:27.000 You get one at like Trammear Rover's a very terrible football team in England, football ground, which is an organized one you buy tickets for.

00:34:33.000 But the ones I'm talking about, which have disappeared, are the local ones that you have.

00:34:37.000 Hey, I've got some wood.

00:34:38.000 There's a field.

00:34:39.000 I'm making a bonfire. 0.99

00:34:40.000 That's how everyone got rid of their crap and they kept community going. 0.94

00:34:42.000 And those have completely disappeared. 0.96

00:34:45.000 Like completely disappeared.

00:34:46.000 And Russell's got an asset there of a reminder that went out on Facebook recently where they're basically saying don't use bonfires as an excuse for fly tipping, essentially.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, zero tolerance on illegal dumping being masked as bonfires.

00:34:59.000 They're basically unsanctioned celebrations of government savior.

00:35:05.000 It's really weird.

00:35:06.000 They'll use any reason really to stop us from being together and having community, I think.

00:35:09.000 And bonfires were the one time of the year when you'd do that.

00:35:13.000 Arson used to be a little bit of fun.

00:35:16.000 I like, who here has ever started a fire when he was a kid and it maybe got a bit out of hand?

00:35:22.000 Dave?

00:35:22.000 Yeah, hold on.

00:35:23.000 I did like the allotment.

00:35:25.000 I'll start one down the allotments.

00:35:26.000 That got out of hand down the allotments.

00:35:28.000 You've got to be careful down there allotments.

00:35:30.000 That's like sometimes houses would be built.

00:35:32.000 And because if you didn't have enough garden to grow food, you'd get out get an allotment so you could grow vegetables in it.

00:35:38.000 Well, that's a very good place to start your fires.

00:35:40.000 And that's where, like, I started a fire once that got a bit out of hand. 0.99

00:35:43.000 Dave, you were a Wayward heroin addict. 0.90

00:35:46.000 Did you start any unnecessary fires?

00:35:48.000 Before we get to Joe, who inevitably will tell us a story, probably we won't be able to broadcast.

00:35:56.000 My life was a dumpster fire.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, I lit fires all the time and making little explosives and all sorts of stuff.

00:36:05.000 Loved that, did you?

00:36:05.000 When I was a kid, I got a hold of the anarchist cookbook.

00:36:09.000 Do you ever remember that?

00:36:10.000 Is that like Molotov and all that?

00:36:12.000 Molotov cocktails.

00:36:13.000 It's all that.

00:36:14.000 And I just went through it chapter by chapter.

00:36:19.000 First bit of reading there, I remember.

00:36:20.000 Do you know what?

00:36:21.000 Because it's part of our freedom, isn't it?

00:36:22.000 It's the first sort of, you know, Prometheus' gift to us is fire.

00:36:25.000 That's when we rob the gods and start to, in mythology, claim some power back from the gods.

00:36:31.000 It's like a holy power.

00:36:33.000 Even the other night when we were at my kid's birthday, there was a bit towards the end where we stood around a fire and that bit had a different atmosphere.

00:36:40.000 And I started to tell stories and started to think that, you know, at the center could be a mutually warming resource rather than a little screen putting out sanctioned pre-tued government information.

00:36:54.000 What was you saying, Joe?

00:36:55.000 You must have started some terrible fires, did you?

00:36:58.000 Yeah, we used to, when I was a kid at school and that, we used to get the Friday ads.

00:37:02.000 You remember the Friday ad?

00:37:03.000 It's like free paper.

00:37:05.000 So we always go and get loads of them and that would be like the material for the fire wherever we wanted to set it.

00:37:10.000 I remember the worst one we done was after school.

00:37:12.000 We used to get the train to school, right?

00:37:14.000 And across from the station, I ain't going to say where, there was like these bushes, like a little homeless community thing in this bush.

00:37:21.000 It's terrible, but there was no one there on this particular day except for a big double mattress.

00:37:25.000 That went right up in flames.

00:37:28.000 It got a little bit out of hand.

00:37:29.000 I think a fire engine did come and put it out.

00:37:33.000 It's still burning today.

00:37:36.000 When I got a bit older, I thought about that.

00:37:37.000 Like for a homeless guy, that was like a nice bed.

00:37:40.000 When I was a kid, there was these Q80 oil fields, like Joe's stories.

00:37:47.000 It's going to be like the Exxon spillage in what was then the Gulf of Mexico.

00:37:52.000 Oh, that's amazing there.

00:37:53.000 That's what Bonfire Night was.

00:37:54.000 It's initially a celebration of, you know, government, the thwarting of a plot to bring down government, but in the end became an emblem of community.

00:38:03.000 And the globalists will not allow you community.

00:38:06.000 They can't just tell you up front.

00:38:07.000 You're not allowed community.

00:38:09.000 So for your health and safety, get in your house, maintain six-foot distance, put on the mask, take the shot, put that fire out.

00:38:17.000 They'll use your safety to legitimise endless bureaucracy. 0.97

00:38:20.000 It's not a coincidence that in the screw tape letters, C.S. Lewis depicts demons as members of a vast bureaucracy.

00:38:28.000 That's what I think, baby.

00:38:29.000 I think that's why you like that haunted car wash so much because there was no safety.

00:38:34.000 You can run over a kid's foot.

00:38:35.000 You can run over a kid's father.

00:38:38.000 I'm going to tell you something right now.

00:38:40.000 Jake's telling you about, they have here.

00:38:43.000 I went there with firstly with Dave and then I had to bring other people back to check I didn't dream it.

00:38:48.000 A haunted car wash, right?

00:38:49.000 We all know that a car wash is fun, isn't it?

00:38:52.000 A car wash, like when you go to a car washer and your kid, it's brilliant, isn't it?

00:38:56.000 Oh, car wash! 0.96

00:39:01.000 I still feel joyous about them times out with like Ron Brand getting into a car wash.

00:39:06.000 I don't know why.

00:39:07.000 It's nice. 0.93

00:39:07.000 It's like a big monster, like a Sesame Street character coming up to, oh, coming and looming on Mr. Snuffleuphagus, rubbing his butt against the screen. 0.93

00:39:16.000 Well, in America, in Florida in particular, at Otto's car wash, and it ain't even at all Otto's car wash, just one on the 98.

00:39:24.000 They've done a haunted car wash.

00:39:26.000 Now, me and my wife took our kids, including my young son, who's had art condition, to this, to Otto's car wash.

00:39:33.000 But it's not like gothic horror, like spiders' webs and witches.

00:39:38.000 It was all like leather face and light. 1.00

00:39:40.000 Someone got in our car with a fucking chainsaw, Joe. 0.99

00:39:45.000 My little boy was like, ah! 1.00

00:39:46.000 I had to get out.

00:39:48.000 There's no rules.

00:39:49.000 You're not on a track or anything before you get to the car wash.

00:39:51.000 I mean, you're driving for a while and it's just like people jumping out, like hiding from, rolling from underneath your car.

00:39:58.000 I mean, it's the craziest thing.

00:40:00.000 And they're teenagers as well.

00:40:01.000 So like they're teenagers, Massey.

00:40:04.000 So like, like, think about masks.

00:40:06.000 Masks are very powerful things.

00:40:08.000 Like, if you put it, that's why that pandemic was fascinating, actually.

00:40:11.000 Like, think of an eyes wide shut scenario where people put on masks and they're absolved of personal responsibility and identity.

00:40:18.000 In a one way of collapsing your identity is like Moses laying face down before the Lord because his own individual identity is unnecessary if all he's going to be is an emanuensis and scribe for the holy power.

00:40:29.000 The other type of anonymity is when you're going to go fully into your identity and self-worship. 0.88

00:40:34.000 That's what all them filthy sex parties about, all them pervs that are running in our various countries. 1.00

00:40:39.000 They get a mask on, they get a robe on, start worshiping Moloch and banging a kid or whatever. 0.99

00:40:44.000 Now down that Otto's car wash, like where they're all wearing masks, they've given them too much power.

00:40:51.000 You could see that some of them kids, they're just volunteers.

00:40:54.000 They're not workers for Otto's car wash. 0.91

00:40:57.000 They're just like some kid like that with a mad, mad rabbit mask on with all stitching and blood all over it. 0.68

00:41:03.000 And then my wife was going, that one dressed as a rabbit had a real spring in his step. 1.00

00:41:08.000 Like they were sort of skipping about.

00:41:10.000 It's just like they were using it as an opportunity to let out all of what I think is intense sexual frustration and energy.

00:41:18.000 And then you start thinking about what Halloween is.

00:41:20.000 Obviously, for our beloved Joe's a Catholic there, so it's all like about the time where the saints are being assessed and you can pray for people that are trapped in purgatory.

00:41:28.000 And more broadly in a Christian tradition, it's Reformation Day when Martin Luther bangs the thing up on the door and says, listen, this stuff's got out of hand. 0.91

00:41:35.000 Stop spending so much fucking money on candlesticks and getting people to pray their way out of sin. 0.96

00:41:40.000 Start focusing on our Lord's holy message. 0.99

00:41:42.000 God bless you, Father.

00:41:44.000 And then, and then, also, though, obviously, Halloween is like the, I think even the Jack-O'Lantern is like, it's a thing that is occupied.

00:41:53.000 There's a spirit within the thing.

00:41:56.000 And you've carved it macabre and made it unusual.

00:41:59.000 There is a haunting inside reality.

00:42:02.000 What are you saying, really, when you celebrate Halloween, if it's from a secular festive perspective or from a deep Christian perspective, is that the ultimate reality is not the sensory reality.

00:42:15.000 There is a secondary reality that we're all interfacing with and we're all aware of.

00:42:20.000 And it can be divine love, but it can also be demonic and dark. 0.98

00:42:24.000 The thing is, is like, after I come out watching all them fuckers dancing around with chainsaws, scaring my kids, because I had to go next door to a Mexican bodega and just hang out because my little boy was too frightened. 0.99

00:42:36.000 Anyway, like, like, I saw like a sheriff, deputy sheriff Geezer, like standing there, because there's old Bill there, because I think he's on the edge of going nuts. 0.99

00:42:45.000 Like, someone's going to get shot there. 0.98

00:42:46.000 Anyway, America, they can't fucking do a normal school day without if I'm getting banged up. 1.00

00:42:50.000 How they can have a haunted car wash is that ridiculous. 0.98

00:42:53.000 Anyway, like, so, um, so, like, so when I saw that sheriff guy afterwards, like an old deputy sheriff, like when I was going back to see if like this lot finished, because you know, they were still in the car wash. 0.76

00:43:04.000 My wife screaming her head off, apparently. 1.00

00:43:06.000 Like, um, when I spoke to him, he was like, What are you doing?

00:43:09.000 You're looking for the car wash, like that.

00:43:12.000 I was like, I was like, scared of him.

00:43:14.000 Everything sort of seems, everything's scary, because isn't that the basis of all horror?

00:43:19.000 Like, say, for example, the horror film Rosemary's Baby, the Polanski movie.

00:43:24.000 Would you really know if your spouse was in league with the devil?

00:43:28.000 That's the question.

00:43:29.000 You don't understand reality.

00:43:31.000 There's a deeper reality and you can feel its icy fingers on you.

00:43:34.000 I like how you said something to the effect of that's really what horror is, it's taking something normal and then twisting it a little bit.

00:43:43.000 And it's that little twist that's the real scare.

00:43:46.000 I wish we recorded when we first pulled up you and Laura's reaction to it because you and Laura were both like, whoa, hold on.

00:43:54.000 This is uncontrolled.

00:43:56.000 This is like, and you're trying to explain to me that this would not happen in England.

00:44:01.000 Like you could not have something like that.

00:44:02.000 Because it's not like, think of Disney World, right?

00:44:04.000 Disney World is sanitized carnival.

00:44:07.000 They realize that carnival is dangerous.

00:44:10.000 They're migratory, itinerant people that like they might come to town.

00:44:15.000 That's why there's always rumors and prejudice around, I'm assuming carnies, but certainly gypsies and travelers.

00:44:20.000 Oh, they're going to rip you off.

00:44:21.000 They'll steal your baby because they're not settlers. 1.00

00:44:24.000 When society first settled, there was still nomadic people and they would be troubadours or shamanic people that would come and like you have to prejudice against them fuckers. 0.99

00:44:35.000 Otherwise, everyone might go, why do we have to pay tax? 0.98

00:44:37.000 Why do we have to obey laws?

00:44:39.000 We can just wander around with these nomads.

00:44:41.000 Well, like, you know, like Walt Disney is, you know, he's a control freak, obviously.

00:44:45.000 You can control reality in 2D through magnificent animation, but can you control reality in 3D through theme parks?

00:44:52.000 You can sanitize reality.

00:44:54.000 You can remove freed.

00:44:55.000 Can you have fun without fear?

00:44:58.000 What is fun?

00:44:59.000 What is joy?

00:45:00.000 What is risk?

00:45:01.000 What is ecstasy?

00:45:02.000 What are these human conditions that are being sort of sanitized and exercised and eliminated from our human experience?

00:45:10.000 Well, they're not being eliminated at all. 0.84

00:45:12.000 They're more than a fucking forefront. 0.93

00:45:15.000 It's like driving and you hope, like, I guess that guy cleared out of the way of the car. 0.98

00:45:19.000 I mean, that's how it was because somebody would hop up in the back, open up the back of the car, kids would fall out of the back, and then the cars would go forward in the line.

00:45:27.000 And you're like, hope it didn't run over anybody's foot.

00:45:30.000 The best part is when they would come out a character and be like a really scary person and they'd be like, oh, is that Russell Brand?

00:45:35.000 And they, I love bedtime stories.

00:45:37.000 Like the most random reference and they're just having a conversation all just ghoul on their face.

00:45:42.000 We went back to film it to promote this Jeep we're giving away.

00:45:45.000 If you want to learn about that Jeep, have a look at the link in the description.

00:45:49.000 Right.

00:45:49.000 We went back to film it.

00:45:50.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:45:52.000 I'm going to come back here with adult men, not with my vulnerable children.

00:45:56.000 So I come back with like Dave and Jake and we start filming it.

00:45:59.000 But let me tell you this, this is profound, I think.

00:46:01.000 When we went back and we had a light in the car and we were filming, it was almost like the double slit experiment.

00:46:08.000 Under observation, Otto's car wash couldn't do it no more.

00:46:12.000 It couldn't do it.

00:46:13.000 Once we were filming them, they sort of like were self-conscious.

00:46:17.000 They couldn't be like all right, all their weirdness.

00:46:20.000 And also, like my kids the second time, the kids the first time around, they were screaming like, ah, it was like mental.

00:46:26.000 I think that Herbie, my son, was reacting to the screams of everyone in the car.

00:46:30.000 And if everyone had just been chilled, he'd have been okay.

00:46:32.000 I think he'd have been okay on the second one.

00:46:34.000 So the second one, there was a bit where I got out of the car and then I was like, oh man, this ain't good.

00:46:39.000 Now I'm part of the horror.

00:46:41.000 like no i don't want this like not with these allegations hanging over me that i'm like one of i'm like so yeah it was so weird I know that, like, I know that there's more to the conclusions or not conclusions, questions derived from the double slit experiment.

00:47:01.000 This seemed to say that under observation, the smallest inverted commas observable components of material reality behave differently, whether waves or particular.

00:47:11.000 They collapse and alter depending on whether or not they're being measured and observed.

00:47:17.000 And people do like misuse that information in a thousand different ways.

00:47:21.000 But what it ultimately can be said to demonstrate is that reality is not what we think it is.

00:47:26.000 It's not what Einstein thinks it is.

00:47:28.000 It's not what Newton said it was.

00:47:30.000 It's something different.

00:47:31.000 And it appears to involve consciousness in some way in ways that are difficult to understand.

00:47:37.000 And I would say, like, it's kind of an Isaiah, my ways are not your ways.

00:47:42.000 When you get down to the brass tax, consciousness is the primary material of reality and all else came from consciousness, i.e., an intelligent designer, creator who from the abyss and vortex created distinction, separation, delineation, and taxonomy.

00:47:59.000 God is real.

00:48:01.000 And we can't really ever get our heads around that because now the state's trying to replace God.

00:48:06.000 And because you can't ever prove something that's beyond sensory reality, you can just touch like that woman with our Lord.

00:48:13.000 You can just touch the edge of the garment.

00:48:15.000 If you touch the edge of the garment in faith, you will be healed.

00:48:19.000 But if you try to sort of pull apart the threads of it, then I don't know what the results of that will be because we're now at the edge of my understanding of reality.

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00:49:50.000 Hey, so who's like, who do you think we should do?

00:49:53.000 Like, let's decide as a group, DoorDash.

00:49:56.000 Oh, no, no, should we do Massey's thing about tips?

00:49:58.000 And like, well, I mean, Joe's going to prove that God exists in a minute.

00:50:01.000 We should probably take, we should probably take advantage of that opportunity.

00:50:05.000 But what do you want to say?

00:50:06.000 What do you want to say about that?

00:50:07.000 What do you want to say about tipping, Massey?

00:50:09.000 I've been interested in tipping ever since I got to North America. 0.98

00:50:13.000 And I just think it's bullshit the way it's done here. 0.94

00:50:19.000 And I wanted to have that discussion. 0.98

00:50:21.000 But I think nobody puts it better.

00:50:24.000 Well, okay, in England, you go to a shop or something and it has the price and that's what you pay.

00:50:32.000 And the same thing goes in restaurants.

00:50:33.000 Whereas out here, you have the price and then you need to do some maths to work out what the tax is and add that on top.

00:50:41.000 I guess because Americans want you to remember that you've got to pay tax to the government because they're against that stuff more than the British are.

00:50:46.000 So with British, we just include it all in the tax in there, right?

00:50:49.000 So I kind of like that.

00:50:50.000 So I have to work out the tax and then I have to have some weird dance with the waiter where it's like, well, he's not getting paid for carrying the food to me by his boss.

00:51:01.000 It's up to you to pay his wages and have to think about a but basically a huge flow chart comes out.

00:51:06.000 Am I in McDonald's?

00:51:07.000 Yes.

00:51:08.000 Well, you still don't tip in McDonald's.

00:51:08.000 Well, am I sitting down?

00:51:10.000 But if you're sitting in a cafe and they brought the food over, you have to tip.

00:51:14.000 It just feels like a load of nonsense.

00:51:16.000 And for a Brit that comes over here and you try to just buy a coffee or something, and then they're angry at you because they have got this weird thing with tipping.

00:51:25.000 It's like, hey, if there's a problem, call the police.

00:51:28.000 If you're not going to call the police, then I'm out of here.

00:51:30.000 Anyway, Steve Buscemi does it a lot better than I do in Reservoir Dogs, and it's probably a good time to play that clip before getting into the debate.

00:51:37.000 What do you think?

00:51:38.000 Let me just get this straight.

00:51:39.000 You don't have a tip, huh?

00:51:40.000 I don't tip because society says I have to.

00:51:43.000 All right, I mean, I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip.

00:51:45.000 If they really put forth the effort, I'll give them something extra.

00:51:47.000 But I mean, it's tipping automatically.

00:51:49.000 It's for the birds.

00:51:51.000 I mean, as far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.

00:51:53.000 Jesus Christ, I mean, these ladies aren't starving to death. 1.00

00:51:56.000 They make minimum wage.

00:51:58.000 You know, I used to work minimum wage, and when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip worthy.

00:52:03.000 You don't care?

00:52:04.000 They're counting on your tips to live.

00:52:08.000 You know what this is?

00:52:09.000 It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.

00:52:13.000 You don't have any idea what you're talking about. 1.00

00:52:16.000 These people bust their ass. 1.00

00:52:18.000 This is a hard job. 1.00

00:52:19.000 So I was working at McDonald's, but you don't feel the need to tip them, do you?

00:52:23.000 Well, why not?

00:52:23.000 They're serving you food.

00:52:24.000 But no, society says, don't tip these guys over here, but tip these guys over here. 1.00

00:52:28.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

00:52:29.000 Wait craziness is the number one occupation for female non-college graduates in this country. 1.00

00:52:34.000 It's the one job basically any woman can get and make a living on. 1.00

00:52:38.000 The reason is because of their tips. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

00:52:45.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:52:47.000 I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips. 0.99

00:52:48.000 That's fucked up. 0.98

00:52:49.000 That ain't my fault. 1.00

00:52:51.000 I mean, it would appear that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. 1.00

00:52:55.000 I mean, if you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it. 0.98

00:52:59.000 Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it.

00:53:00.000 But what I won't do is play ball. 0.99

00:53:02.000 And it's not college bullshit you're giving me. 0.98

00:53:03.000 I got two words for that. 1.00

00:53:04.000 I learned to fucking type. 0.99

00:53:05.000 Because if you're expecting me to help out with the run, you're in for a big fucking surprise. 0.99

00:53:09.000 But like, what about I don't like automated tips now because now you're not even involved in an interpersonal connection with another human being. 0.80

00:53:18.000 It just comes up on that screen.

00:53:20.000 Tip five.

00:53:21.000 In some shops, they're kind enough to say five, seven, or ten or something.

00:53:25.000 In others, it's like 18, 25.

00:53:26.000 But I tipped someone yesterday $54 for takeout food.

00:53:33.000 Well, you don't realize that it's saying additional tip.

00:53:35.000 And it's additional.

00:53:36.000 Because when I would say, like, I'd press 5%, I'm going, I want to give them 20%.

00:53:41.000 I don't want to give them 5%.

00:53:43.000 So then you end up giving them 20, but then you realize that was an additional tip.

00:53:46.000 They added 18 or whatever you already did.

00:53:50.000 There's a coffee shop that I go to, and it's a good coffee shop, Causeway Coffee.

00:53:50.000 Check this.

00:53:54.000 I like it.

00:53:55.000 You have to, first of all, when you press that little thing to enter your, you know, you have to go, do you want to give some money to this thing they do, some mission where they're helping people?

00:54:04.000 Then you have to go whether or not you're tipping the person.

00:54:07.000 And all you've done is like bought a coffee.

00:54:09.000 You're like, you're involved in a like quite a strong contractual and bureaucratic relationship.

00:54:16.000 I suppose what it feels like is everything's being automated to the point where we're just like little sort of larvae moving between transactions with barely any autonomy.

00:54:27.000 And you're right, it ain't about meanness.

00:54:30.000 It's about like that everything is getting sort of legislated that you're personal fruit.

00:54:35.000 Like, how can you pay people for a personal connection when everything has become so impersonal?

00:54:40.000 I just want to bring up this DoorDash thing.

00:54:42.000 What was orders with no tip might take longer to get delivered?

00:54:46.000 Are you sure you want it?

00:54:47.000 Whoa, so they're sort of mandating it.

00:54:49.000 Did you put that in, Massey?

00:54:50.000 Yeah, so there's a difference here because Americans will say it's to get it's for your service, right?

00:54:55.000 And that's what it is in England.

00:54:56.000 If you think you've got good service, then you can give some extra money if you like.

00:55:01.000 But in your coffee shop example, they're asking you for the money before the service.

00:55:05.000 So, and you're then thinking it's to ensure having good service.

00:55:08.000 So it's no longer a tip.

00:55:10.000 It's now a bribe, right?

00:55:11.000 Because if I don't give them the money, all of a sudden, who knows what's going to happen?

00:55:15.000 Maybe I won't get my cop.

00:55:17.000 And DoorDash have done the same thing there because they're admitting in the app, if you don't give a tip, which is actually a bribe, then you might get the food late.

00:55:17.000 It's a shakedown.

00:55:26.000 And there's loads of companies that have done this.

00:55:28.000 Those apps will literally guilt you into paying their employees.

00:55:32.000 How dare they try to evoke guilt when they've made everything so absolutely impersonal?

00:55:32.000 It's crazy.

00:55:38.000 And again, because those are like zero contract workers that are being exploited.

00:55:43.000 And the company, in order to maximise their profits, are passing on that obligation as well to the consumer.

00:55:50.000 It makes me feel like, I talk about it sometimes in terms of prison and other times in terms of slavery.

00:55:56.000 That while the culture likes to tell you that it's progressive and becoming more and more enlightened, all it really is doing is masking tyrannical and controlling impulses in any way it can.

00:56:08.000 If they could, they just bang us all in cells.

00:56:10.000 You only have as much freedom as they need you to have in order to consume is how I feel about it.

00:56:15.000 And that is why I need God.

00:56:18.000 But first, before we get into Joe's Thomas Aquinas thing, let's just have a look at this server having a meltdown over not getting a tip. 0.53

00:56:25.000 I'm not seeing this.

00:56:25.000 Sat there two hours, ordered half the menu, and you walk out leaving nothing?

00:56:29.000 Not a dime?

00:56:30.000 No, don't manage me. 1.00

00:56:31.000 I'm busting my ass for you all night. 1.00

00:56:32.000 You think we're paid for free refuge? 1.00

00:56:34.000 There's a line on the receipt.

00:56:36.000 Wow, yeah.

00:56:38.000 I suppose what do you see that as kind of like entitlement or something?

00:56:42.000 Yeah, I just think that the relationship is very strange, that you're pitting the server against the customer.

00:56:50.000 And it's just a very unusual thing everywhere other than North America.

00:56:54.000 When I was doing research on tipping, I found out that tipping actually started as a practice as a way of paying freed slaves.

00:57:01.000 So they weren't actually paid by the employer.

00:57:04.000 They were paid.

00:57:05.000 You can work now for the gratuity of the people you're serving because no one wants to serve people food, do they?

00:57:12.000 No one's like, well, my dream is maybe cooking food, but no one's like, I want to hand the food to somebody.

00:57:18.000 Whereas we have this thing in America, I think the hang, I think tipping is the hangover from slavery.

00:57:24.000 I think that's what it is, both literally and figuratively, because if you are eating food and someone is serving you, you're engaging in like a slave master mentality.

00:57:34.000 No one wants to be doing that.

00:57:35.000 And Americans are so hung up on slavery, they're like, here's some money to prove it's not slavery.

00:57:39.000 And they're importing it to England.

00:57:41.000 It's doing my head.

00:57:42.000 Joe, have you seen it in England anywhere?

00:57:44.000 I like that.

00:57:45.000 Good analysis.

00:57:45.000 It's good.

00:57:47.000 Really funny.

00:57:47.000 I don't know.

00:57:49.000 How would you do it differently?

00:57:50.000 I mean, like, I think with DoorDash example, if you don't take the tip first, right?

00:57:57.000 Then these people rush your food to you. 0.98

00:58:00.000 And then if the person's a jerk, then they leave you almost nothing. 0.99

00:58:05.000 And you're like, you rush really hard to get there. 0.99

00:58:08.000 I think some of it may also be they're trying to ensure a good service for their customers.

00:58:14.000 So that way, if you tip first, they know that they're going to get that money.

00:58:17.000 Over time, there's such an inclination towards profiteering that every single decision is extracting the maximum amount of revenue out of every single transaction until you feel like you're being wrung out, to there's no regard for your humanity, to there's no idea that people might make exchanges other than transactional and fiscal ones, that we're actually participating in a deep unity with God and with the divine.

00:58:41.000 Everything is becoming materialized.

00:58:42.000 I think this is what happens when rationalism reaches the point that we accept and assume that if it can't be measured, it's not real.

00:58:51.000 If you can't see it, it isn't there.

00:58:53.000 That the only things that matter are observable and able to be iterated through finance.

00:59:00.000 And we'll leave that subject there.

00:59:01.000 Let me know what you think, though, in the comments and chat.

00:59:03.000 Now, to take us out is beloved Joe McCann with his humble assertion that you can prove the reality of God.

00:59:09.000 Actually, though, using the theology of Thomas Aquinas.

00:59:13.000 Why did you want us to watch this, Joe?

00:59:15.000 I know you think about Thomas Aquinas a lot.

00:59:17.000 Tell us a bit about Thomas Aquinas firstly, who he is and then what he said.

00:59:21.000 I'll tell you a little bit about him first.

00:59:23.000 So Aquinas was a Dominican friar, right?

00:59:27.000 So he was around the year 1200.

00:59:30.000 And around this time is when Aristotle's writing was translated from Greek into Latin.

00:59:36.000 So the church saw this as a huge threat because he was all about reason, right?

00:59:40.000 And observing nature and all that.

00:59:42.000 And this happened because that happened and that happened because this happened, all that sort of stuff.

00:59:46.000 And like what sums it up is a good quote from Aquinas, right?

00:59:49.000 And what he said was, to one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.

00:59:55.000 To one without faith, no explanation is possible.

00:59:59.000 So through his arguments, he proves that faith and reason will always come together in the end because there's only one truth, right?

01:00:08.000 So he explains it in five arguments.

01:00:12.000 And I can go through them if you like, one at a time.

01:00:15.000 So the first one being motion.

01:00:18.000 Everything has a motion, right?

01:00:20.000 So motion must have been set in motion by something else.

01:00:24.000 So the original mover, he calls God.

01:00:27.000 Does that make sense?

01:00:29.000 Kind of.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:30.000 Now, the second argument, it sounds on the surface very similar to the first one.

01:00:35.000 It's causation, right?

01:00:37.000 So every effect has a cause.

01:00:40.000 Trace it back.

01:00:41.000 Sorry, so let me say it again.

01:00:43.000 Trace it back and you reach a first cause.

01:00:47.000 So as in, rather than a mover, there's a cause, a cause and effect.

01:00:51.000 So you've got a constant change.

01:00:53.000 Rather than movement, it's a change.

01:00:55.000 That changed that.

01:00:56.000 So that changed that.

01:00:57.000 So there has to be something at the source that itself remains unchanged.

01:01:03.000 That is what he calls God.

01:01:05.000 That's the second argument.

01:01:06.000 The third one, contingency.

01:01:09.000 Because things exist, but could also not exist.

01:01:13.000 There must be a necessary being, which itself is contingent on existence.

01:01:19.000 Like, I like the example of this is, yeah, I could not be here.

01:01:22.000 I could die.

01:01:23.000 Existence still carries on.

01:01:25.000 Massey could not be here.

01:01:26.000 He could die.

01:01:27.000 Existence still carries on. 0.77

01:01:29.000 We could all die and existence still carries on.

01:01:32.000 So there must be something which when it goes, there is nothing that he calls God.

01:01:41.000 Right?

01:01:43.000 I think that's probably my favorite one.

01:01:43.000 I like that one.

01:01:45.000 The fourth one, this one I found hard to get my head around, right?

01:01:50.000 Is degrees of perfection, right?

01:01:53.000 So we judge things by being better or worse.

01:01:56.000 Okay.

01:01:57.000 Implying an ultimate standard of goodness.

01:02:01.000 And this is why I struggle with this.

01:02:03.000 The example they used on this video I was, right?

01:02:06.000 They said you've got two Dominican friars.

01:02:09.000 They're doing a maths test, right?

01:02:12.000 The answer, let's say, is 45.

01:02:15.000 The first friar, he didn't know the answer.

01:02:19.000 He had an educated guess.

01:02:21.000 He thought, 45.

01:02:22.000 So he's right.

01:02:24.000 The next guy, he knows the answer. 0.98

01:02:27.000 He proves it by long form algebra bullshit at the end. 0.98

01:02:31.000 Bang, 45 because XYZ. 0.98

01:02:34.000 So he is more right than the guy next to him.

01:02:38.000 I still couldn't get my head around the ultimate right is God, but that was the idea.

01:02:43.000 Well, I'll tell you why, because you explained it very brilliantly at the beginning, Joe, is that Thomas Aquinas enters into the dialectic at the point where the church feels under threat from the classical world and the augmentation of new arguments of reason.

01:02:57.000 Plato had this idea of forms that we all know what a table is, but somewhere there's a supreme idea of a table from which all tables are derived.

01:03:09.000 We all know what a house is, even like, you know, there's a house for like four windows and a door, but like a house to a mouse might be a hole in a skirting ball.

01:03:17.000 But if you saw a little hole in the skirting ball and the Tom and Jerry idea, you still understand it's derived from the concept of house.

01:03:23.000 But I like the example of the two Dominican friars reaching an arithmetic conclusion, one arbitrarily or at least by guesswork and one by deduction, I suppose what he's saying is that a creator God is not a set of random billiard balls in eternity bashing into one another and ultimately reaching conscious life.

01:03:47.000 And if you are an atheist asserting that, then what you are simultaneously asserting is the faculty by which you deduce there is no God is the process of arbitrary random events.

01:04:01.000 How then can you rely on this optimization of randomness to make any assessment?

01:04:08.000 It itself is just an outpost of randomness and therefore it has no undergirding.

01:04:14.000 Go, Joe.

01:04:15.000 So that's his fifth argument, right?

01:04:17.000 It's order and design.

01:04:19.000 So the order on the New Aquinas.

01:04:25.000 The order and purpose in nature suggests an intelligent designer.

01:04:30.000 So I've had a little note here.

01:04:32.000 Even randomness is not random.

01:04:34.000 There's a certain predictability to randomness and the ultimate order equals God.

01:04:39.000 The example they used here, right, is like, let's say this cigar, I hold it up, I drop it, it falls to the floor, right?

01:04:47.000 That's gravity doing what gravity is meant to do.

01:04:50.000 We understand the essence of gravity, the order that it's going to do what it's going to do.

01:04:55.000 I do this 10 times.

01:04:57.000 It's always going to fall to the floor.

01:04:59.000 It's not like one in 10, this just hovers in the air.

01:05:03.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:05:04.000 Like randomly.

01:05:05.000 And then I guess another way of looking at it, even in like sports betting, if odds are 100 to 1, you know, if you backed, backed your team 100 times, once it's going to win.

01:05:14.000 So there's all like a predictability.

01:05:16.000 It's not like it's just a random accident because things are in order.

01:05:20.000 And the ultimate order that maintains that order, the essence of order is God.

01:05:26.000 Yes.

01:05:26.000 Even if you assert that we are a pattern within chaos, the very fact that the concept of patterns exists is in itself an indication of some initial original event.

01:05:40.000 All five of them arguments obviously tie together and the function of those arguments is to suggest the presence of a creator.

01:05:47.000 Joe, I think you presented that really, really beautifully well.

01:05:51.000 And I think you've done a good service to the ideas of Aquinas there.

01:05:55.000 Nice one, man.

01:05:56.000 Nice one.

01:05:58.000 I've got a good handle on that.

01:05:59.000 It helped me to understand what Thomas Aquinas is for.

01:06:02.000 I didn't know, in fact, that he entered into the argument at the point that the classical world was bringing forth like geniuses, like the, you know, the geniuses of the age of reason.

01:06:11.000 And I think like reason in conjunction with divinity is the best tools we have, that we use our ability to understand patterns.

01:06:21.000 You know, like whether like, how can you have beauty?

01:06:24.000 How can you have music?

01:06:26.000 How can you have arithmetic unless there is some undergirding universal reality?

01:06:32.000 The post-structuralist indeed, Massey, the only atheist here, the post-structured, probably Massey seems to be the one that's most irked by many of the contemporary post-structuralist arguments that are used to enshrine the rights of the individual and not, you know, not just the rights of the individual, but the supremacy of identity.

01:06:48.000 That's what identity politics is.

01:06:50.000 The most important thing about me is my sexuality or my race or my gender.

01:06:54.000 And of course, what they'd say is, yeah, but we have to assert it because you white males imposed your authority, made God in your own image and denied us our right to personal sovereignty.

01:07:05.000 But what Christianity says is we are all part of a family of divinity.

01:07:10.000 All of us matter, not because of who we are or what we've done, but because of who loves us.

01:07:14.000 This God that has set in motion all of these events, created all of these patterns, all of this glory, all of this beauty, loves us.

01:07:21.000 And when you make that subtle shift to like, I'm important because of who loves me, not because of what I am or what I've done, you enter into a kind of fraternal embrace with all the rest of humanity, accepting simultaneously their greatness and their fallibility and flaws.

01:07:36.000 Whereas the individualistic, rationalistic model, I think, puts you in continual opposition with everybody else, places you as a sort of a competitor in the arena of nature.

01:07:47.000 And I think that also that reality itself, as the double slit experiment suggests, is impacted by our faith.

01:07:55.000 So faith isn't just like a kind of, go on, be faithful.

01:07:58.000 It's like you are kind of fueling the glory of God through your faith.

01:08:03.000 Your faith is bringing, is making God shine more brightly.

01:08:07.000 So you're not even irrelevant.

01:08:08.000 It's not saying that God needs us, although if he didn't, why would he create us?

01:08:13.000 You know, maybe you can get into the semantics of the word need, but we are present with him. 1.00

01:08:18.000 Fuck me, man. 1.00

01:08:19.000 Look, I've just really emptied my head out there. 1.00

01:08:23.000 Thanks, guys.

01:08:24.000 Look, we've been talking for 65 minutes.

01:08:26.000 There's no way that anyone can complain about this.

01:08:28.000 If you need more from us, you should look at Rumble Premium, where we talk additionally.

01:08:33.000 Some of these subjects are covered on Rumble Premium.

01:08:37.000 Join us there.

01:08:38.000 Has anyone got anything else they want to add? 1.00

01:08:41.000 Or do you feel spent, you beautiful bastards? 1.00

01:08:44.000 Bate, I fucked my lines up in that little bit there, my little Aquinas. 1.00

01:08:47.000 No, you never. 0.99

01:08:48.000 I wasn't going to be able to do it.

01:08:49.000 I'm not going to be a very happy chat.

01:08:50.000 I can't read my voice.

01:08:51.000 You've done so well.

01:08:52.000 Why you been arguing yourself?

01:08:53.000 It was good.

01:08:54.000 What do you want us to add? 1.00

01:08:55.000 That fucking plane ticket and it's done. 1.00

01:08:59.000 It's done. 1.00

01:09:00.000 All right, let's look at Thomas Aquinas then.

01:09:02.000 Since our Joe reckons his magnet.

01:09:03.000 If Thomas Aquinas comes on here and it's nothing like what you said, Joe, I don't know what that is.

01:09:08.000 That is, mate, you will not get a better description of his arguments than that.

01:09:12.000 Concisely.

01:09:13.000 We will.

01:09:16.000 If you dug him up, he wouldn't explain it better.

01:09:24.000 He wouldn't.

01:09:25.000 Well, there seems no point in going to that.

01:09:27.000 I agree.

01:09:28.000 Jake, tell us about his, Jake. 1.00

01:09:31.000 Welcome to Rumble Premium, you sick sons of bitches. 1.00

01:09:34.000 What's been going on in Joe? 1.00

01:09:36.000 I took my what?

01:09:37.000 Right, come on, someone.

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