Russell Brand is back with a brand new show that's all about Mamdani, revolution, and proving the presence of God. We're joined by comedian Joe Pesci to discuss it all, plus a bit about Guy Fawkes, Bitcoin, and the Jamaica hurricane conspiracy.
00:00:53.000We're going to be talking about Guy Fawkes, that a plucky little fella who tried his damnest in the holy name of God to blow up the houses of parliament, but some snitch, some grass.
00:01:03.000They would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for one of them wrote a letter to one of his mates who's in parliament and said, you might not want to go to work on the 5th of November.
00:01:13.000A couple of us Catholics are thinking of making a bit of a storm.
00:05:48.000Of course, though, Mamdani is not speaking in a vacuum.
00:05:50.000He's speaking in a dialectic space that's been created by, let's say, at least 12 years of division, people talking about migration, nationalism, and patriotism.
00:06:01.000I'm a migrant right now in the United States.
00:06:04.000In fact, I would call myself an exile, a political exile.
00:06:08.000And I feel like this is the point I made when I was with a much more right-wing type of crowd.
00:06:14.000I said, all the people that are really scared about Trump and stuff should be heartened that while Trump is president, there is enough systemic democratic freedom that you can get elected democratically a Muslim migrant mayor.
00:06:29.000But I would say that these categories, Muslim migrant, are not ultimately important categories.
00:06:36.000Go on then, Massey, you filthy Muslim migrant.
00:06:40.000He's using the term immigrant in two different ways, right?
00:06:43.000The whole we're a nation of immigrants, meaning everybody other than the Native Americans is an immigrant to America.
00:06:49.000So it means everyone was an immigrant.
00:06:50.000But then he says, and as from today, led by an immigrant.
00:06:53.000But if everyone in America is an immigrant, hasn't it always been led by an immigrant?
00:07:19.000And what I was trying to say to them a lot on old actual friends yesterday was, well, look, let's not do here what the left did to Trump when Trump was campaigning.
00:07:31.000Let's not be hysterical and say, this guy is going to be the worst thing in the world.
00:07:47.000Like, I don't know who I'm at at worst risk of offending because Trump supporters will go, no, it was so different after Trump took over after Obama.
00:07:57.000And Obama's supporters go, no, it was different in a bad way.
00:08:00.000But I just think, right, that different.
00:08:02.000People are like, well, you know, I think things could be really different.
00:08:05.000It makes me wonder if, you know, people who come in with all these great intentions to bring change, you know, we're going to drain the swamp.
00:08:12.000And then they get into the position, they go like, we can't do anything.
00:08:16.000You know, like they have no power to it.
00:08:19.000So will a communist be able to do the change he actually wants or a socialist?
00:08:24.000Or are they going to get into politics and go, it's all rigged?
00:08:28.000You know what people say when they go, you know, what are the best two days when you buy, you know, the best two days of having a boat, the day you buy the boat and the day you sell the boat, they say.
00:08:38.000And I bet like that's the best you'll see of Mamdani.
00:08:45.000Then there'll be a bit where he leaves where he's like, oh, listen, it wasn't like what I thought it was going to be.
00:08:49.000You know, when you get off a roller coaster, oh my God.
00:08:53.000Or like, you know, like it's we like he will have it.
00:08:55.000He'll have to deal with the limitations and restrictions that come with political office.
00:08:59.000Even a maverick outsider like Trump, who I believe that the majority of opposition, let's say, you know, the kind of opposition that's expressed by the BBC editing his speeches to make him seem worse than he is.
00:09:11.000Have a look at that video from earlier this week.
00:09:15.000Like, he's like when this dude leaves office, like, yeah, sorry, what I want to say is like that, even a maverick like Trump, is the war between Ukraine and Russia over?
00:11:42.000He actually hates Andrew Cuomo and he took about 8% of the vote and everyone was urging him to do the right thing and step out of the race so that people who didn't want to vote for Mamdani would know who to vote for.
00:11:54.000So they basically the argument is that if he didn't hate Cuomo that much, he could have had it so Cuomo would have won and so New York wouldn't go to shit is what most people think.
00:12:04.000But this video is really funny because this is, you know, Mamdani's like, say he thanks everybody, all these immigrants, people in Bodegas and all this.
00:12:12.000Whereas this is an actual New Yorker and he doesn't once mention New Yorkers in his speech, but this is an actual New Yorker talking about what he thinks of Curtis Sleewan.
00:12:36.000New Yorker spits in your fucking face every single day you fucking sold out like fucking Judas sold out fucking Jesus Well, thanks, Granddad.
00:13:04.000Anyway, we pulled a little bit of scripture because the truth of it is this.
00:13:08.000Even though in general, I reckon Trump and MAGA is better at disrupting the kind of globalist imperialist powers that would seek to replace God's authority with endless bureaucracy.
00:13:31.000Let's have a look at this bit of scripture that Jake pulled for us that sort of helps us to understand the complexity of current power and where we might be from a scriptural perspective from Timothy.
00:13:42.000But understand this, that in the last days, there will come times of difficulty for people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness but denying its power.
00:14:14.000For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of truth.
00:14:28.000Oh, it's such a relief, innit, to hear like truth.
00:14:32.000Like one of the things that I've just found so exhausting and one of the reasons that we had the break that we've just been having is because bought on and heightened by the murder of Charlie Kirk, I felt like I was in a continual tundra of unwinnable conversation, just senselessness and hate and people not having any principles and just the pursuit of endless expedience.
00:14:57.000And then like scripture is like a bomb.
00:15:00.000Just to hear that, I think, it's all right that I don't know.
00:15:23.000We'll be talking about these subjects, hopefully from a spiritual perspective.
00:15:26.000Over there in the UK is my beloved friend Joe, one of the great reporters.
00:15:30.000Some are calling him since his wonderful work on the Tommy Robinson Patriot March.
00:15:35.000I can't remember what they called it no more.
00:15:36.000Massey, who cuts up our content, Jake, who's running the desk and runs our show, and Dave, whose studio we use here, who has his own podcast, Shoot Me Straight.
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00:18:16.000Don't complicate it and don't do anything weird.
00:18:18.000Because I spoke to my wife and she said he's she said Joe has turned the simple business of acquiring a ticket to El Salvador in a situation and she used this phrase, he's in cahoots with an Indian.
00:18:31.000Now, I don't know what that even means.
00:18:34.000Why are you in cahoots with an Indian?
00:18:36.000They sold me a ticket that wasn't available, right?
00:18:40.000Then he's telling me, but now we've had a cancellation.
00:18:43.000So for an extra 200 quid, you can have that seat.
00:18:46.000I said, why don't you give me the one that you sold me?
00:18:49.000Oh, well, it wasn't there and we shouldn't have even had it on the website.
00:18:51.000I said, well, that's your fault, isn't it?
00:19:09.000Then he's trying to flog me a ticket where I'd have to change in the States and he didn't understand the concept of not being allowed an Esther.
00:19:17.000What kind of website did you buy this from?
00:19:20.000El Salvadorflight.com for people who have slash for people who have a hard time traveling to different countries.com.
00:20:48.000Like, what I think is, is that there's not been a leader like that before, someone that's a different strain of populism.
00:20:55.000Or could you argue that with banging people up in jail, left, right, and center, big 50,000 person Nicks, that he's actually just an old school authoritarian?
00:21:46.000I mean, it was the ⁇ wasn't El Salvador like the most dangerous, at least the most dangerous Latin American company in a country, I believe.
00:21:54.000But what I like about him is I think he's young.
00:26:54.000But in the 80s and 90s, bonfires were a big local communal event.
00:26:59.000People would go down to the local wreck or football ground.
00:27:01.000And as Massey pointed out, it sounded like someone talking about 100 years ago, even though I kind of actually remember it myself.
00:27:07.000They would set up a bonfire and it would be there for like a month, people adding stuff to it and growing a bonfire like on the wreck or on the village screen.
00:27:15.000Now they don't do that no more because health and safety is all over everything.
00:27:20.000So bonfire night, even though it's been customarily a celebration of, well, Protestant government power over Catholic rebels, but also the idea of rebellion.
00:27:30.000Like we burn literal effigies, like a penny for the guy.
00:27:39.000Little kids would make a guy, like and sort of stuff it and maybe put a mask on it and push it around in a wheelbarrow going, penny for the guy, mister.
00:28:29.000I see no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.
00:28:34.000Guy Fawkes weren't even really the main leader.
00:28:37.000He was just the schmo that got busted down underneath the sewers of Parliament, where 13 men, Catholics, have decided they were going to blow up King James on the opening of Parliament.
00:28:47.000They had barrels of gunpowder down there.
00:28:49.000And at the prearranged time, they were going to blow up Parliament and bring about a Catholic revolution.
00:28:57.000One of the geezers, his mate, was in Parliament, and he goes, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to write a letter to my friend letting him know not to come to work that day.
00:30:03.000I knew it growing up because that's when we'd see fireworks.
00:30:05.000Now, you guys obviously have July 4th.
00:30:07.000I don't know the reason why you have fireworks on July 4th, but for us, it's signifying what would have happened if the houses of parliament would have gone up.
00:30:14.000But as well as the fireworks, we have a local bonfire on the field just around the corner from your house where people throw all beds, pieces of wood that they've got, and they'd burn an effigy that children have made.
00:32:16.000Like, that was me and Jonathan Ross being set fire to.
00:32:18.000In Kent, they used to like burn a baddie.
00:32:21.000When David Beckham, one time, got sent off during a World Cup quarterfinal against Argentina for a foul on Diego Simeone.
00:32:29.000He, um, there were effigies of him hung and burned.
00:32:32.000There's a weird pagan undercurrent in the UK, and there a weird pagan undercurrent.
00:32:38.000So Massey offered up that the reason that you know that this tradition has died out is health and safety.
00:32:46.000Even though it's an odd celebration of you know, killing rebels, really, it'd be like burning Martin Luther King or something.
00:32:53.000Like it's a, it's uh, it's, it's died out now because of a kind of like a health and safety prohibitions and restrictions, is the assumption.
00:33:04.000The problem I've found is that like when we moved to where we live in Birkenhead, it was around the beginning of November, and we met everybody in the community at the bonfire for bonfire night.
00:33:19.000There'd be bonfires everywhere in England.
00:33:21.000You'd drive around and you'd see fireworks in the sky and then every field it felt like had a bonfire.
00:33:25.000I'm sure Russell and Joe can remember this stuff.
00:33:27.000Whereas nowadays you don't have that and it's just another thing of community that's gone.
00:33:32.000Weird as it is that we're burning an effigy, really it's about us all getting together and burning an old bed that I've got and standing around and talking to each other.
00:33:39.000And I was just thinking that initially it was there to celebrate the fact that they'd saved government.
00:33:45.000Whereas now I think bonfires being around is a threat to government because the more community you have, the less likely you are to say, hey, you should put your mask on, you know, support the NHS and all that kind of stuff.
00:34:24.000Is that a like a because there's two types of bonfires?
00:34:27.000You get one at like Trammear Rover's a very terrible football team in England, football ground, which is an organized one you buy tickets for.
00:34:33.000But the ones I'm talking about, which have disappeared, are the local ones that you have.
00:34:46.000And Russell's got an asset there of a reminder that went out on Facebook recently where they're basically saying don't use bonfires as an excuse for fly tipping, essentially.
00:34:55.000Yeah, zero tolerance on illegal dumping being masked as bonfires.
00:34:59.000They're basically unsanctioned celebrations of government savior.
00:36:33.000Even the other night when we were at my kid's birthday, there was a bit towards the end where we stood around a fire and that bit had a different atmosphere.
00:36:40.000And I started to tell stories and started to think that, you know, at the center could be a mutually warming resource rather than a little screen putting out sanctioned pre-tued government information.
00:37:54.000It's initially a celebration of, you know, government, the thwarting of a plot to bring down government, but in the end became an emblem of community.
00:38:03.000And the globalists will not allow you community.
00:39:07.000It's like a big monster, like a Sesame Street character coming up to, oh, coming and looming on Mr. Snuffleuphagus, rubbing his butt against the screen.
00:39:16.000Well, in America, in Florida in particular, at Otto's car wash, and it ain't even at all Otto's car wash, just one on the 98.
00:40:08.000Like, if you put it, that's why that pandemic was fascinating, actually.
00:40:11.000Like, think of an eyes wide shut scenario where people put on masks and they're absolved of personal responsibility and identity.
00:40:18.000In a one way of collapsing your identity is like Moses laying face down before the Lord because his own individual identity is unnecessary if all he's going to be is an emanuensis and scribe for the holy power.
00:40:29.000The other type of anonymity is when you're going to go fully into your identity and self-worship.
00:40:34.000That's what all them filthy sex parties about, all them pervs that are running in our various countries.
00:40:39.000They get a mask on, they get a robe on, start worshiping Moloch and banging a kid or whatever.
00:40:44.000Now down that Otto's car wash, like where they're all wearing masks, they've given them too much power.
00:40:51.000You could see that some of them kids, they're just volunteers.
00:40:54.000They're not workers for Otto's car wash.
00:40:57.000They're just like some kid like that with a mad, mad rabbit mask on with all stitching and blood all over it.
00:41:03.000And then my wife was going, that one dressed as a rabbit had a real spring in his step.
00:41:08.000Like they were sort of skipping about.
00:41:10.000It's just like they were using it as an opportunity to let out all of what I think is intense sexual frustration and energy.
00:41:18.000And then you start thinking about what Halloween is.
00:41:20.000Obviously, for our beloved Joe's a Catholic there, so it's all like about the time where the saints are being assessed and you can pray for people that are trapped in purgatory.
00:41:28.000And more broadly in a Christian tradition, it's Reformation Day when Martin Luther bangs the thing up on the door and says, listen, this stuff's got out of hand.
00:41:35.000Stop spending so much fucking money on candlesticks and getting people to pray their way out of sin.
00:41:40.000Start focusing on our Lord's holy message.
00:41:44.000And then, and then, also, though, obviously, Halloween is like the, I think even the Jack-O'Lantern is like, it's a thing that is occupied.
00:42:02.000What are you saying, really, when you celebrate Halloween, if it's from a secular festive perspective or from a deep Christian perspective, is that the ultimate reality is not the sensory reality.
00:42:15.000There is a secondary reality that we're all interfacing with and we're all aware of.
00:42:20.000And it can be divine love, but it can also be demonic and dark.
00:42:24.000The thing is, is like, after I come out watching all them fuckers dancing around with chainsaws, scaring my kids, because I had to go next door to a Mexican bodega and just hang out because my little boy was too frightened.
00:42:36.000Anyway, like, like, I saw like a sheriff, deputy sheriff Geezer, like standing there, because there's old Bill there, because I think he's on the edge of going nuts.
00:42:45.000Like, someone's going to get shot there.
00:42:46.000Anyway, America, they can't fucking do a normal school day without if I'm getting banged up.
00:42:50.000How they can have a haunted car wash is that ridiculous.
00:42:53.000Anyway, like, so, um, so, like, so when I saw that sheriff guy afterwards, like an old deputy sheriff, like when I was going back to see if like this lot finished, because you know, they were still in the car wash.
00:43:04.000My wife screaming her head off, apparently.
00:43:06.000Like, um, when I spoke to him, he was like, What are you doing?
00:43:09.000You're looking for the car wash, like that.
00:43:12.000I was like, I was like, scared of him.
00:43:14.000Everything sort of seems, everything's scary, because isn't that the basis of all horror?
00:43:19.000Like, say, for example, the horror film Rosemary's Baby, the Polanski movie.
00:43:24.000Would you really know if your spouse was in league with the devil?
00:43:31.000There's a deeper reality and you can feel its icy fingers on you.
00:43:34.000I like how you said something to the effect of that's really what horror is, it's taking something normal and then twisting it a little bit.
00:43:43.000And it's that little twist that's the real scare.
00:43:46.000I wish we recorded when we first pulled up you and Laura's reaction to it because you and Laura were both like, whoa, hold on.
00:44:21.000They'll steal your baby because they're not settlers.
00:44:24.000When society first settled, there was still nomadic people and they would be troubadours or shamanic people that would come and like you have to prejudice against them fuckers.
00:44:35.000Otherwise, everyone might go, why do we have to pay tax?
00:45:02.000What are these human conditions that are being sort of sanitized and exercised and eliminated from our human experience?
00:45:10.000Well, they're not being eliminated at all.
00:45:12.000They're more than a fucking forefront.
00:45:15.000It's like driving and you hope, like, I guess that guy cleared out of the way of the car.
00:45:19.000I mean, that's how it was because somebody would hop up in the back, open up the back of the car, kids would fall out of the back, and then the cars would go forward in the line.
00:45:27.000And you're like, hope it didn't run over anybody's foot.
00:45:30.000The best part is when they would come out a character and be like a really scary person and they'd be like, oh, is that Russell Brand?
00:46:41.000like no i don't want this like not with these allegations hanging over me that i'm like one of i'm like so yeah it was so weird I know that, like, I know that there's more to the conclusions or not conclusions, questions derived from the double slit experiment.
00:47:01.000This seemed to say that under observation, the smallest inverted commas observable components of material reality behave differently, whether waves or particular.
00:47:11.000They collapse and alter depending on whether or not they're being measured and observed.
00:47:17.000And people do like misuse that information in a thousand different ways.
00:47:21.000But what it ultimately can be said to demonstrate is that reality is not what we think it is.
00:47:31.000And it appears to involve consciousness in some way in ways that are difficult to understand.
00:47:37.000And I would say, like, it's kind of an Isaiah, my ways are not your ways.
00:47:42.000When you get down to the brass tax, consciousness is the primary material of reality and all else came from consciousness, i.e., an intelligent designer, creator who from the abyss and vortex created distinction, separation, delineation, and taxonomy.
00:48:01.000And we can't really ever get our heads around that because now the state's trying to replace God.
00:48:06.000And because you can't ever prove something that's beyond sensory reality, you can just touch like that woman with our Lord.
00:48:13.000You can just touch the edge of the garment.
00:48:15.000If you touch the edge of the garment in faith, you will be healed.
00:48:19.000But if you try to sort of pull apart the threads of it, then I don't know what the results of that will be because we're now at the edge of my understanding of reality.
00:48:28.000And with that, we can't make this content without the support of our partners.
00:49:05.000Arabic cadabra, I say, because it makes me feel absolutely magic.
00:49:09.000It's infused with C-A-A-K-G, which is kind of like a rifle, you know, like an assault rifle, but it's assault in your central nervous system with delicious beans, Bebe.
00:49:18.000A compound shown to support cellular energy, metabolism, and even healthy aging.
00:49:23.000You don't want to sit deteriorating in a chair, shitting yourself, drinking Starbucks.
00:50:24.000Well, okay, in England, you go to a shop or something and it has the price and that's what you pay.
00:50:32.000And the same thing goes in restaurants.
00:50:33.000Whereas out here, you have the price and then you need to do some maths to work out what the tax is and add that on top.
00:50:41.000I guess because Americans want you to remember that you've got to pay tax to the government because they're against that stuff more than the British are.
00:50:46.000So with British, we just include it all in the tax in there, right?
00:50:50.000So I have to work out the tax and then I have to have some weird dance with the waiter where it's like, well, he's not getting paid for carrying the food to me by his boss.
00:51:01.000It's up to you to pay his wages and have to think about a but basically a huge flow chart comes out.
00:51:10.000But if you're sitting in a cafe and they brought the food over, you have to tip.
00:51:14.000It just feels like a load of nonsense.
00:51:16.000And for a Brit that comes over here and you try to just buy a coffee or something, and then they're angry at you because they have got this weird thing with tipping.
00:51:25.000It's like, hey, if there's a problem, call the police.
00:51:28.000If you're not going to call the police, then I'm out of here.
00:51:30.000Anyway, Steve Buscemi does it a lot better than I do in Reservoir Dogs, and it's probably a good time to play that clip before getting into the debate.
00:53:05.000Because if you're expecting me to help out with the run, you're in for a big fucking surprise.
00:53:09.000But like, what about I don't like automated tips now because now you're not even involved in an interpersonal connection with another human being.
00:53:55.000You have to, first of all, when you press that little thing to enter your, you know, you have to go, do you want to give some money to this thing they do, some mission where they're helping people?
00:54:04.000Then you have to go whether or not you're tipping the person.
00:54:07.000And all you've done is like bought a coffee.
00:54:09.000You're like, you're involved in a like quite a strong contractual and bureaucratic relationship.
00:54:16.000I suppose what it feels like is everything's being automated to the point where we're just like little sort of larvae moving between transactions with barely any autonomy.
00:54:27.000And you're right, it ain't about meanness.
00:54:30.000It's about like that everything is getting sort of legislated that you're personal fruit.
00:54:35.000Like, how can you pay people for a personal connection when everything has become so impersonal?
00:54:40.000I just want to bring up this DoorDash thing.
00:54:42.000What was orders with no tip might take longer to get delivered?
00:55:17.000And DoorDash have done the same thing there because they're admitting in the app, if you don't give a tip, which is actually a bribe, then you might get the food late.
00:55:38.000And again, because those are like zero contract workers that are being exploited.
00:55:43.000And the company, in order to maximise their profits, are passing on that obligation as well to the consumer.
00:55:50.000It makes me feel like, I talk about it sometimes in terms of prison and other times in terms of slavery.
00:55:56.000That while the culture likes to tell you that it's progressive and becoming more and more enlightened, all it really is doing is masking tyrannical and controlling impulses in any way it can.
00:56:08.000If they could, they just bang us all in cells.
00:56:10.000You only have as much freedom as they need you to have in order to consume is how I feel about it.
00:57:05.000You can work now for the gratuity of the people you're serving because no one wants to serve people food, do they?
00:57:12.000No one's like, well, my dream is maybe cooking food, but no one's like, I want to hand the food to somebody.
00:57:18.000Whereas we have this thing in America, I think the hang, I think tipping is the hangover from slavery.
00:57:24.000I think that's what it is, both literally and figuratively, because if you are eating food and someone is serving you, you're engaging in like a slave master mentality.
00:57:50.000I mean, like, I think with DoorDash example, if you don't take the tip first, right?
00:57:57.000Then these people rush your food to you.
00:58:00.000And then if the person's a jerk, then they leave you almost nothing.
00:58:05.000And you're like, you rush really hard to get there.
00:58:08.000I think some of it may also be they're trying to ensure a good service for their customers.
00:58:14.000So that way, if you tip first, they know that they're going to get that money.
00:58:17.000Over time, there's such an inclination towards profiteering that every single decision is extracting the maximum amount of revenue out of every single transaction until you feel like you're being wrung out, to there's no regard for your humanity, to there's no idea that people might make exchanges other than transactional and fiscal ones, that we're actually participating in a deep unity with God and with the divine.
01:02:34.000So he is more right than the guy next to him.
01:02:38.000I still couldn't get my head around the ultimate right is God, but that was the idea.
01:02:43.000Well, I'll tell you why, because you explained it very brilliantly at the beginning, Joe, is that Thomas Aquinas enters into the dialectic at the point where the church feels under threat from the classical world and the augmentation of new arguments of reason.
01:02:57.000Plato had this idea of forms that we all know what a table is, but somewhere there's a supreme idea of a table from which all tables are derived.
01:03:09.000We all know what a house is, even like, you know, there's a house for like four windows and a door, but like a house to a mouse might be a hole in a skirting ball.
01:03:17.000But if you saw a little hole in the skirting ball and the Tom and Jerry idea, you still understand it's derived from the concept of house.
01:03:23.000But I like the example of the two Dominican friars reaching an arithmetic conclusion, one arbitrarily or at least by guesswork and one by deduction, I suppose what he's saying is that a creator God is not a set of random billiard balls in eternity bashing into one another and ultimately reaching conscious life.
01:03:47.000And if you are an atheist asserting that, then what you are simultaneously asserting is the faculty by which you deduce there is no God is the process of arbitrary random events.
01:04:01.000How then can you rely on this optimization of randomness to make any assessment?
01:04:08.000It itself is just an outpost of randomness and therefore it has no undergirding.
01:05:05.000And then I guess another way of looking at it, even in like sports betting, if odds are 100 to 1, you know, if you backed, backed your team 100 times, once it's going to win.
01:05:26.000Even if you assert that we are a pattern within chaos, the very fact that the concept of patterns exists is in itself an indication of some initial original event.
01:05:40.000All five of them arguments obviously tie together and the function of those arguments is to suggest the presence of a creator.
01:05:47.000Joe, I think you presented that really, really beautifully well.
01:05:51.000And I think you've done a good service to the ideas of Aquinas there.
01:05:59.000It helped me to understand what Thomas Aquinas is for.
01:06:02.000I didn't know, in fact, that he entered into the argument at the point that the classical world was bringing forth like geniuses, like the, you know, the geniuses of the age of reason.
01:06:11.000And I think like reason in conjunction with divinity is the best tools we have, that we use our ability to understand patterns.
01:06:21.000You know, like whether like, how can you have beauty?
01:06:26.000How can you have arithmetic unless there is some undergirding universal reality?
01:06:32.000The post-structuralist indeed, Massey, the only atheist here, the post-structured, probably Massey seems to be the one that's most irked by many of the contemporary post-structuralist arguments that are used to enshrine the rights of the individual and not, you know, not just the rights of the individual, but the supremacy of identity.
01:06:50.000The most important thing about me is my sexuality or my race or my gender.
01:06:54.000And of course, what they'd say is, yeah, but we have to assert it because you white males imposed your authority, made God in your own image and denied us our right to personal sovereignty.
01:07:05.000But what Christianity says is we are all part of a family of divinity.
01:07:10.000All of us matter, not because of who we are or what we've done, but because of who loves us.
01:07:14.000This God that has set in motion all of these events, created all of these patterns, all of this glory, all of this beauty, loves us.
01:07:21.000And when you make that subtle shift to like, I'm important because of who loves me, not because of what I am or what I've done, you enter into a kind of fraternal embrace with all the rest of humanity, accepting simultaneously their greatness and their fallibility and flaws.
01:07:36.000Whereas the individualistic, rationalistic model, I think, puts you in continual opposition with everybody else, places you as a sort of a competitor in the arena of nature.
01:07:47.000And I think that also that reality itself, as the double slit experiment suggests, is impacted by our faith.
01:07:55.000So faith isn't just like a kind of, go on, be faithful.
01:07:58.000It's like you are kind of fueling the glory of God through your faith.
01:08:03.000Your faith is bringing, is making God shine more brightly.