00:00:18.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:00:20.000We're going to be talking about blasphemy, we're going to be talking about ascendancy and ascension and revolution and rebellion, and all of it is available on Rumble and Rumble Premium.
00:00:56.000Although we can gain access to Christ if we are willing to surrender everything about ourselves that we consider to be more important than Him.
00:01:05.000Here's the post that caused all the trouble.
00:02:03.000Here's Meghan Kelly talking about how 1.4 billion Catholics have been offended.
00:02:08.000One of those Catholics, Joe McCann, is on the Show with us, as you know, every week, and he'll be doing crack on in just a matter of moments.
00:02:15.000But before that, we're going to cover Trump and blasphemy.
00:02:18.000We're going to look at some of the disturbing news emerging all around the world.
00:02:22.000We're going to be talking about Sam Harris, who hopefully will come on the show for an honest chat with us.
00:03:06.000Hey, what I think is pretty interesting is Donald Trump, he's always been a little bit like this.
00:03:14.000And I think what a lot of people are feeling is that in condemning Trump, those that were his vociferous advocates, among them Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Meghan Kelly, are having to.
00:03:29.000Kind of walk back the evangelism and zeal that led him to be president in the first place.
00:03:34.000Imagine how the liberal left must be rejoicing at this fragmentation of the once unified space.
00:03:43.000Therefore, those of us that have always said don't worship political figures, the institutions and the systems themselves are what need to change, are, I would say, white as snow in this instance.
00:03:55.000And I don't mean that in a racist way, I'm also against racism.
00:03:58.000Let's have a look at John Stewart saying that he saw us.
00:04:48.000Again, this will cause revelry and rejoicing among the liberal left, but I urge you already to step outside of the vicissitudes of swinging from an imagined left to an imagined right between the colours red and blue.
00:05:00.000Ascend, ascend these systems, demand direct digital democracy and absolute open source participation.
00:05:06.000That's why me and Joby Weeks and a whole other set of people that have been exposed to significant lawfare, you'll be next, Dave, are building the technology for digital democracy.
00:05:16.000I'll be running for Mayor of London in 20 28.
00:05:20.000Who knows what conditions I'll be in by then?
00:05:22.000But it doesn't matter because in democracy is the will of the people and indeed the ability of the people to vote that matters.
00:05:29.000We're building the tech right now, even as we speak.
00:05:32.000If you want more money spent on roads, no problem.
00:05:36.000If you want police time and resources spent on Facebook crime, you can vote for it.
00:05:40.000If you want it spent on knife crime, vote for it.
00:05:42.000Throw off the shackles and the labels.
00:05:44.000Walk instead with the divine truth accessible to us all.
00:05:48.000The Iranians, it seems, are trolling President Trump for his recent ascent or descent into blasphemy.
00:05:56.000Spence whose perspective you look at it from.
00:05:59.000From his perspective, it's ascending because, you know, Christ can't go any higher than that.
00:06:03.000From a religious perspective, it's a descent into blasphemy.
00:06:06.000Let's look at what Iran, let's see what these cheeky Iranians are saying about this.
00:06:21.000I mean, we're in a blasphemy spiral now.
00:06:23.000Our Lord would not be using the old fisticuffs, although apparently when he returns, it will be with a sword.
00:06:30.000Let's have a look at how Trump defends this.
00:06:32.000And let me know, I've not watched this yet.
00:06:34.000I know the story, you know, stories a million years ago in internet years, but I want to see this is what I'm trying to hold together.
00:06:43.000I find Trump a fascinating individual, having gone from in like 2015, 14, thinking this person can't be president, this is madness, finding him a sort of joy.
00:06:53.000Because, you know, my enemy's enemy is my friend, that kind of mentality.
00:06:56.000But perhaps a little more sophisticated and nuanced that he brings to the forefront political and ideological problems that are able to be masked if you have innocuous bureaucratic and managerial leaders, or even showbizzy leaders,
00:07:11.000whether you're talking about Blair in my country, who's a sort of a blend of bureaucrat and showbiz, good public speaker, potentially demon controlled, or Obama, a sort of almost a return to the kind of Reagan and Kennedy levels of.
00:07:29.000And if those presidents could deliver little in 2008, Barack Obama yielding to the powers of the centralized financial industry, and if Trump ultimately does in a situation of global conflict what one imagines Kamala Harris would have done, isn't the gig up for centralized party politics, particularly this bipartisan concoction that most democracies live with?
00:07:52.000So for me, this ain't no great revelation nor no great fall.
00:07:56.000I'm really interested to see how his social dexterity and media skills enable him to.
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00:10:30.000There we go, not vintage Trump, I wouldn't say, but somewhat adeptly handled.
00:10:36.000In this giddying, spiraling time, I think it's difficult even to hang on to the rails.
00:10:42.000The world is moving so quickly, isn't it, now, into a kind of geopolitical heat that seems to me unprecedented.
00:10:51.000Then I remind myself what would it have been like if you'd had Instagram and X when the bombs of Nagasaki and Hiroshima went off?
00:10:59.000What would we be saying if Pearl Harbor had happened when.
00:11:05.000If Pearl Harbor had happened when social media was available, or Dunkirk, or Normandy, or any of the sort of Second World War, the great wars, as they are known, of the last century, how would they be reported?
00:11:15.000Vietnam, even the proxy wars in their last incarnation, how would they have seemed in their age?
00:11:20.000Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:11:24.000Here, though, is an advert from Trump.
00:13:07.000Whilst I reckon the conflict between Iran and the United States was going to happen, whoever was president, what I feel like this might represent is an end of the idea that Trump exists outside of an imperial globalist purview, i.e., whoever's really in control can continue to do what they want to do regardless of the outcome of any election.
00:13:31.000Let me know what you think about that in the comments and the chat.
00:13:36.000In English, I would simply say, when Once again, what I said in the Urbi et Urbi message on Sunday, asking all people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which is continuing to escalate and which is not resolving anything.
00:14:05.000In fact, we have a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis.
00:14:11.000Situation in the Middle East of great instability, which is only provoking more hatred throughout the world.
00:14:18.000So come back to the table, let's talk, let's look for solutions in a peaceful way, and let's remember especially the innocent, children, the elderly, the sick, so many people who have already become or will become victims of this continued warfare, to remind all that attacks on civilian infrastructure, Is against international law,
00:14:44.000but that it is also a sign of the hatred, the division, the destruction the human being is capable of.
00:14:56.000I would invite the citizens of all the countries involved to contact the authorities, political leaders, congressmen, to ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always.
00:15:13.000A religious leader, the head of the church in this instance, declaring that the goal should be peace and encouraging activism because the ascendant and ultimate authority is the authority of God.
00:15:28.000Secularism, which has never been tried before, I was reminded in my conversation with Tucker Carlson, you'll be able to see that today, and our interview with him next week, is a relatively modern phenomenon.
00:15:39.000People previously have never tried to live apart from a holy code.
00:15:44.000Even if that's derived from pagan beliefs or Islamic.
00:15:47.000And the idea that we can just through reason with mankind as the apex, not just one individual, but our entire species, is pretty novel and I would say doesn't seem to be going that well.
00:16:02.000Don't you feel like a lot of times the church is subjugating itself to the power of the fallen one, the institutions that might be controlled by evil?
00:16:10.000Certainly, that's the biblical and scriptural position that the institutions of the world, the world itself, is controlled by the evil one.
00:16:16.000The prince of this world has come to get me now, our Lord says in Luke when Judas betrays him.
00:16:21.000And I feel that the question of our time might be bigger even than the enormous personality of Donald Trump, and even larger than the great conflicts that appear to be igniting and exacerbating in the Middle East.
00:16:38.000What is the role of God in your life as an individual and what is the role of God in our lives collectively?
00:16:45.000If we reject God, what are the coordinates by which we govern our own lives and by which we navigate hot, contentious political conflicts such as the one right now?
00:17:00.000In a sense, Pope Leo there didn't seem to be, and I don't know what the chronology is, particularly addressing a blasphemous post, but the problem of war itself.
00:17:07.000And as I've heard, friends of mine, I'm friends with Sean Foyt, hey, that preacher, and he clearly really, he's a good guy.
00:17:14.000And he's, I think, a real advocate for Trump and believes that Trump's doing the right thing.
00:17:20.000My feeling, though, is that, and also that we know what we get with Trump, and we always knew that he was a kind of a bombastic and egocentric individual.
00:17:30.000In truth, though, and from my perspective, just as another Christian walking the earth very, very briefly, hopefully before being brought into eternity, the problem is not Donald Trump.
00:17:41.000Donald Trump represents the end of a kind of political era, the era of the political personality or the anti personality politician, in the case of Keir Starmer.
00:18:25.000I mean, like he's attacking dear old Pope Leo, calling him weak and terrible for foreign policy, and says that he likes his brother better and that he was elected in a landslide, and that Obama's a better politician.
00:18:37.000And in a way, sort of the type of discourse that we recognize, if we've, you know, let's face it, that pretty much the whole world follows Trump these days.
00:18:47.000But what I'd like to point out to you from the book of Daniel here is this wicked prophecy man.
00:18:59.000He dreams of, in his sort of vision that comes towards the end of the book, or at least it's after he's done, like, you know, a load of famous stuff, Lion's Den and them lads, Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego have been tossed in that furnace only for there to be a fourth figure in there.
00:19:57.000Well, this is a bit like that, but for government.
00:19:59.000And the mind of a human was given to it.
00:20:01.000I consider that to be the false consciousness of AI.
00:20:05.000Then he describes that another of these four great beastly entities is like a bear.
00:20:10.000I assume that's one way of understanding Russia.
00:20:13.000Certainly that emblem can be attached to it.
00:20:15.000But the fourth vision, after a set of images, animal images, totemic images that seem to represent the East, is the one that frightens Daniel the most.
00:20:36.000I'm really spending a lot of time, and let me know in the comments and chat.
00:20:39.000And of course, both Dave and Jake and Joe have been Christian longer than I have, and I'll be interested in any interpretation of what horns mean.
00:20:47.000I keep thinking about antennae and the capacity of antennae to conduct power.
00:21:22.000There are many references to Christ like figures and to God, how one might personify God the Father.
00:21:29.000Elsewhere, Daniel, a great prophet who survived four different dynasties, beginning with Nebuchadnezzar and then his son, and even survived when there was a change of command, like when Darius, the king of Persia, over.
00:21:45.000Took the power of Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel remains in a position of authority.
00:21:50.000One of my favorite bits in Daniel is there's the bit that's after the writing of the wall, where Belshazzar, I think, is his name, the son of Nebuchadnezzar, sees like the figurative writing on the wall, which, along with Christ writing on the ground before the adulterous woman, is one of these extraordinary times.
00:22:05.000And I guess the writing of the Ten Commandments.
00:22:07.000I like it when God is legible and lapidary writing in stone before us.
00:22:20.000They've been necking booze out of the goblets that have been stolen from the temple.
00:22:24.000They're delighting in their sacrilegiousness, these lot are.
00:22:27.000And I really, the way that Daniel, the book of Daniel, and Daniel himself, if he wrote it, depict these times is right cool because everyone seems like they're messed up, like everyone's had a real high old time, orgies, drinking.
00:22:41.000Then the vibe has changed because of this writing on the wall.
00:22:44.000And the writing on the wall basically says, your enemies are going to take over, you're finished, you're going to die.
00:23:25.000Our gaze must remain fixed on the joy of the hereafter.
00:23:28.000This is just momentary suffering we're encountering.
00:23:31.000Anyway, listen to this about the king.
00:23:34.000It's a pretty condemnatory passage, which when I read it to Tucker the other day, he noted that it could be applied to the current hubris of the current world king.
00:24:07.000He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the God of gods.
00:24:13.000He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.
00:24:19.000He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors.
00:24:22.000It continues, of course, but I suppose it's easy to see those prophetic words as applicable to our time, and all true wisdom is by its nature atemporal, aspatial, because that's the character of God.
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00:27:47.000Lawrence Fox, my brother actor over in the UK, has said the N word in public.
00:27:56.000Massey put this in here, I think, because he likes stuff like this.
00:27:59.000Myself, I find racism a bit awkward and embarrassing, and I'd prefer it if it stopped.
00:28:17.000I think we should all be able to. say it I don't think it should just be reserved to one group of people okay I think if we're gonna have a word then everyone should be able to say it okay let's see who you will say will you say that to anyone are you do you mind the context I'm not interested in going and upsetting people and winding them up but I don't believe there should be one word that's reserved for one group of people I think that's that is wrong There you go.
00:29:12.000The International Monetary Fund has downgraded Britain's economic prospects more than any G7 country in its latest update on the state of the global economy.
00:29:22.000It's a fresh blow for Chancellor Rachel Reeves, with the financial institutions slashing the UK's growth forecast from 1.3% to 0.8%.
00:29:31.000It also follows a similar downgrade from the OECD.
00:29:35.000Just last month, the IMF says the UK is also set to see higher inflation in the months ahead.
00:29:42.000Price rises set to average at 3.2% across 2020.
00:29:47.000But I don't like their league table, the IMF.
00:29:49.000I've never liked the IMF, the International Monetary Fund.
00:29:55.000Israel have been called the New Third Reich by Konrad Berkowitz, who's a Polish politician.
00:30:01.000The attack on Israel on the Blisk Wschod is that Polish people are going to be able to get paliwa.
00:30:07.000But how do you get children, who have been killed many times more than during the whole war in Ukraine?
00:30:13.000Żydzi stosują zakazaną bombę fosforową, która pochłania tlen z powietrza i doprowadza do ich śmierci przez uduszenie.
00:30:22.000Więcej dym z tej bomby dostaje się do płuc i pali je od środka.
00:30:26.000One duszą się i palą się od środka jednocześnie.
00:30:31.000Kilkadziesiąt tysięcy kobiet i dzieci.
00:30:35.000Ale jak jakiemuś dziecku się poszczęści i się nie udusi, to biały fosfor przyklei się do policzka, do rączki i wypala się przez tkanki do kości.
00:30:45.000Nie da się tego zgasić, więc od tego dziecku.
00:30:49.000Izrael does not do it in our own eyes.
00:30:52.000Izrael does not do it in our own eyes.
00:32:19.000This time of year, I would expect the normal price for something like that would be £6.60, £7.20 a box, so costing us about £60p a head.
00:32:28.000That's what I would normally expect to be paying.
00:32:31.000This morning, that cost £1.10 per head.
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00:35:08.000Like, I know that I've been restored to sanity in terms of, like, I know I can't drink and it never looks even remotely sort of tempting or nothing.
00:35:19.000But some days I do think, fuck me, I'm still mad, like, you know?
00:35:23.000But then could that insanity drive you back out the door to a state where you think it's a good idea to drink again?
00:35:29.000And can that happen through, like, you know, like that says in the literature resentment, fear, and all that kind of stuff?
00:35:35.000Don't you think like a lot of people park at a level of recovery that's a kind of placid passivity where, like, we maybe don't drink or use, but the thing that's holding your life together isn't a spiritual connection?
00:35:54.000Or they get, they retard their spiritual growth, they like cap their spiritual growth in it, and it's just become, they may have some of that, but.
00:36:15.000And it's either, for me, it's either going to be spiritual or it's going to be some sort of sin.
00:36:19.000It's almost better when you, like, see, like you worked a lot in like halfway houses and treatment centers than you, Dave.
00:36:26.000Like, that first bit when you stop drinking and taking drugs, you've got this kind of almost, well, they call it pink cloud in a lot of the fellowships and groups, a pink cloud moment.
00:36:44.000And like, so when you're working with people like that, like, and I remember it from my own for when it happened to me, there's a sort of a rawness and a liveness.
00:36:53.000And then you think, oh, well, actually, I'm okay.
00:36:55.000And you might drift back into, well, there's all sorts of things.
00:36:59.000You could try drinking, and some people seem to be able to drink somewhat moderately, or obvious things, porn, food, smoking.
00:37:08.000Like, I actually think that when you look at the literature of the 12th century, Of the 12 step programs, like the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, I'm saying, but even the 12 and 12 of Alcoholics Anonymous, what becomes clear is that the whole thing, and someone read an important section of the book, the bit where the 12 steps are described and a vision is given to you afterwards.
00:37:31.000What becomes clear is that, to your point earlier, Joe, it ain't that we're just stopping drinking, we're stopping being the person that has to drink.
00:37:40.000That's really what I think is happening.
00:37:42.000And To do that, every single one of your attachments will one by one be chalked off.
00:37:49.000Now, AA is only about alcohol, NA is only about drugs, and ad infinitum, the gambling fellowship is about that, and the debt fellowship is about that, and even the codependency and the Al Anon.
00:38:01.000I suppose it starts to get a little bit deeper when you're talking about relationships because then you're forced to look at.
00:38:07.000Oh, wow, I've got these unconscious expectations of every relationship.
00:38:15.000That person, I've given them a job to make me feel a certain way.
00:38:19.000And if they don't do it, I'll punish them for it or I'll abandon them.
00:38:23.000And I believe that where the program becomes truly magical is where your entry point through alcohol and alcoholism becomes the acknowledgement that you're actually continually trying to achieve states through stimulation.
00:38:41.000Stimulation of, I have to go there every morning and do this or that.
00:38:45.000I remember one of my mates saying, You're addicted to the cure because I was going to a bunch of 12 step meetings the whole time.
00:38:50.000But really, what we're trying to get to, we're trying to get to a point of absolute connection to God that cannot be disrupted by any external stimulant that no one can take you out of.
00:39:01.000And now, as a Christian, I'll say, Nothing will make you let go of Christ's hand, so people can agitate you.
00:39:07.000A really good example of it from a non 12 step perspective is the movie Mr. Rogers, starring Tom Hanks as the Brilliant Mr. Rogers, American children's entertainer, I guess you'd call him, but also, I guess, evangelist.
00:39:20.000There's a moment where the antagonistic reporter whose relationship with Mr. Rogers makes up most of the film is trying to push him over the edge by bringing up his difficult relationship with his son.
00:39:32.000And you see, brilliantly acted by Tom Hanks, a moment where he sort of winces a little bit and before returning to a loving state, that Mr. Rogers was such a beautiful and successful entertainer because he.
00:39:44.000Practiced Christianity, how Christianity should be practiced, must be practiced in the present moment.
00:39:51.000And see, I recognized the other day that money, if you, the relationship between alcohol and alcoholism can be investigated very in an interesting way through money.
00:40:21.000And because I've been poor, and I remember being around people even poorer, like drug addicts that are street homeless and are begging to get their next fix.
00:40:31.000I would notice, my God, their poverty, it's actually eating their body.
00:40:35.000They're so poor that they're sleeping in the street, their face, and they're like one guy had no eye and he had an amputation and he had ulcers.
00:40:43.000And obviously those things are caused by heroin.
00:40:46.000But if you were taking that much heroin and you were rich, you'd be able to do it in a pretty cool way.
00:40:50.000And now I realised that for me, like not, I just had no more ability to drink or take drugs because the consequences were getting too fast, too rapid.
00:40:58.000And now where I live is in a state where.
00:41:02.000I've been given the tool and the language of addiction, but I recognize that it was always foundational for a deeper spiritual experience for me coming to Christ.
00:41:09.000I'm holding up my own book because obviously I'm promoting it, but really the book I should be holding up is this one, that it moved me to a point where you have to, everything in front of you is from God.
00:41:24.000So when you get into the coders and the Alanons, you know that that madness ain't going, that madness is like a rod and staff from Psalm 23.
00:41:33.000You're going to be guided continually if you remain in the right state.
00:41:38.000Like it can't do anything except get deeper and deeper, almost until there's nothing of you there.
00:42:31.000I mean, at this point, when you're first going through them, when you talk about sanity and you're, you, It's sanity with regards to drinking.
00:42:39.000You know, it's like when you're first going through it, it's just the fact that it still blows me away 25 years later that the fact that I don't like, I don't think about alcohol.
00:42:52.000I don't, I don't have this like, I mean, it was such a solution for me for everything.
00:42:58.000I couldn't imagine my life with alcohol or without, you know, it's like I, it blows my mind that something that was impossible to beat was just taken away just by doing these steps.
00:44:18.000Which, in a lot of cases, if they don't come for a little while, that could be a good thing.
00:44:24.000You know, and so I think at first it is about not drinking at all, but really it's not even about getting to, for me, it's not about getting to a state that I'm like, man, the whole day I nailed it today.
00:44:49.000You know, one of the most powerful things in business is not having, You know, this killer quarter with all these cells.
00:44:57.000It's about a team that's building momentum.
00:45:00.000It's the most powerful thing is when you feel like you're on this momentum.
00:45:04.000And when you're on a spiritual path and you're gaining momentum and you're growing.
00:45:09.000I mean, that's what I think of when you do a 10th step.
00:45:14.000I don't think of, oh shit, I didn't, another day that I didn't, you know, that I got in self or another day that, you know, I was dishonest or I whatever.
00:45:44.000Like, having Jamie Winchip come down and talking about identity through self.
00:45:50.000I mean, there wasn't, I don't think there's anything that he necessarily said that I thought, oh my God, I have no idea what he's talking about.
00:46:20.000Like, he's helped me because I had a similar experience with Jamie, or at least encounter to what you're describing, in so much as the idea that you have an identity in Christ and an identity in the world is really clever.
00:46:38.000In a way, though, it's completely the same as addict self and recovery self.
00:46:43.000It's the same concept, but because it's in Christ, that obviously brings it to a level of focus that's so sharp, I think.
00:46:51.000And like when Jamie says, You know, now Jamie, interestingly, doesn't drink and went to AA 12 Steps, excuse me, for a while, but like didn't keep doing it.
00:47:01.000And I'm always interested when someone doesn't keep doing it because I have to keep doing it.
00:47:06.000I feel like my addiction part of me, like a mad wolf, the addiction part of me, that's from Brass Eye, so it's very sort of mad reference.
00:47:47.000But what I think Jamie does that's amazing is I'm almost sort of, it's weird because I don't want to do him a disservice because he's obviously brilliant and he's done something brilliant.
00:47:58.000I already feel like, yeah, all right, like I've got this thing where I think we've talked about before.
00:48:04.000As soon as I realize a new thing, I'm almost immediately irritated that other people don't know it.
00:48:09.000Like, that's in that exact same second.
00:48:16.000Like, now, something like your identity in Christ is so obvious.
00:48:20.000Like, when he did that speech, which he outlines in his new book, The Worldview New Book, which we did on the show, you should check out the show on Monday if you've not seen it.
00:48:34.000And like, when in that he talks about Harvard and giving a talk at Harvard, and now I've worked out how he does it.
00:48:41.000He goes, Who in this room hears voices in their head telling them they're not good enough and that you're worthless and you're never going to succeed and that you're going to fail and everything's going to go wrong?
00:49:19.000It's like, you know how you've always got a voice in your head that you're talking to all the time?
00:49:23.000Well, eventually, that negative, destructive voice, eventually, that becomes Christ, and you can hear Christ talking.
00:49:29.000And then in the end, that will be the only voice.
00:49:32.000Like the other voice will have gone entirely.
00:49:34.000And that's real similar to that bridegroom stuff that is at the beginning of John, when John the Baptist says, I must become lesser, he must become greater.
00:49:43.000When the friend of the bridegroom hears the bridegroom's voice, And also, by the way, the whole time he's saying this, he's the best man at a wedding.
00:49:49.000He's not even the groom, he's not the bride, he's not anyone.
00:49:51.000John the Baptist put himself in a pretty humble position there for someone that our Lord says the greatest person that's ever lived.
00:49:58.000And I started to feel like my own understanding.
00:50:01.000So when Jamie puts it in them terms, like and said, right now, tell me all of the things that your negativity tells you.
00:50:10.000Now, any of us that are addicts, we're black belts of that crap.
00:50:14.000We've been doing it for a long time, we know how to talk about it.
00:50:16.000What people are surprised at with me still to this day is that.
00:50:20.000I'll tell you in real time what I'm feeling and like the bad things I'm feeling.
00:51:36.000Like, he goes, It's like, that's when you are who I made you to be.
00:51:40.000Like, that's, and like, when me and you are communicating, Joe, I'm like, I've always can recognize that's not, that's recovery Joe, that's addict Joe, addict Joe.
00:52:41.000If you ever spent time around a famous person or maybe in a rich person or maybe even the most powerful person in your family, people won't tell your dad or whoever it is.
00:52:59.000No, we, in counseling, we used to call it, we'd say disabling.
00:53:04.000You know, you say you're enabling someone, we'd say you're disabling them.
00:53:08.000For parents, a lot of times it's used as like, you know, they're giving them money or they're, you know, not punishing them when they know they're using drugs.
00:53:17.000And we'd say you're disabling them because you're disabling them.
00:53:21.000From having to learn lessons in life, right?
00:53:46.000You got to put yourself, and it's not for everyone to.
00:53:49.000I mean, you don't just open yourself up for just every random person to call you out on.
00:53:55.000You know, your intimate stuff, but like you have to have a crew around you that feels free to call you out and say, Hey, Joe, I don't think you're doing good.
00:55:02.000I'm like, I'm not going to do that because I can't be in control of it.
00:55:05.000Just living it on like a sort of in a yeah, one square of one circle on a twister board rather than sort of go out and chant stuff because trust is hard.
00:55:16.000You'll always, he'll always lead you, the Lord, to the very thing, to the very thing you'll be shown.
00:55:43.000But I, and it's weird because all of them, the step three, I'd call them type problem step three, made a decision to turn your will in your life over to the care of God as you understood God, all have this legitimacy to them.
00:55:54.000Well, how am I gonna get anything done?
00:55:58.000Okay, you know, if I don't do this, then what's gonna happen?
00:56:01.000And I know it's, I don't quite know, and I wonder if you've got anything on this, know how to navigate divine action or sanctioned action or true identity action.
00:56:14.000Versus action outside of, and also, you know, especially when you're an entrepreneur, especially when you own your own business, when you are the boss, like you have to make things happen.
00:56:28.000Versus, okay, is this from God or is this me playing God?
00:56:32.000It's very funny that my first shot at it, you know, like if you're an entertainer, you can't infantilization is diriger, like they will make you like a baby, they make you like a baby.
00:56:45.000It's sort of like a king baby, as they would say in 12 steps.
00:56:48.000Like, you know, people will bring you everything and do stuff and all of that.
00:57:35.000But when it goes wrong, it becomes like, I'm not going to do anything except that.
00:57:41.000And then it becomes very, for me, it became very, when I'm thinking about it, I sort of was also, I want to say lazy.
00:57:49.000I've always been, in a way, a quite hard working person.
00:57:52.000There was this George Bernard Shaw quote that I encountered quite young where it says, A true artist would rather that his mother starved and his children were sold than work at something that is not his art.
00:59:34.000I do think, I think of in the steps where, um, I think of where it's, I don't think you're trying to, I don't want to say this.
00:59:52.000I don't think you're, it's about the motive.
00:59:58.000It can be the exact same action, but the motive behind it.
01:00:01.000Am I, it talks about this God sense is like a sixth sense.
01:00:08.000This God consciousness is like a sixth sense.
01:00:11.000And so, like, you could do the exact same thing.
01:00:15.000You could, Automate out, you know, have other people doing other aspects of your job because that's not what you're good at and you're specialized, right?
01:00:24.000It's something that few people can do.
01:00:50.000I think you kind of know if God's directing your thinking or not, then if you're like being honest with yourself and you're having your time in the morning of prayer and everything else and doing all the other suggestions within the program, like speaking to other addicts on a daily basis, connecting with your gratitude and all that kind of stuff.
01:01:07.000And like it says, naturally your thinking becomes more on the plane of sort of inspiration and whatnot rather than divorced from selfish and self seeking motives.
01:02:24.000How long did it take for that to go completely for you?
01:02:27.000And do you remember the last time that you had a thought like that?
01:02:30.000Because I remember we were talking about it the other day, which made me think of this reading when I was in Brazil and I called you Russell.
01:02:36.000I remember cold beers in that, in them cold beers.
01:02:41.000Like, because I was just at the point of, Having done the formalities of step 10 through the book, step 11, read it, and we've done a little prayer after a meeting and that kind of stuff.
01:02:52.000And then, you know, putting my hand up to sponsor for step 12.
01:02:56.000And I've gone off to Brazil for six weeks, almost with a mindset of like, I've done it now.
01:03:57.000I remember thinking, oh, they must be real cold in that ice, the little slim cans.
01:04:02.000And I was just watching him sipping on them.
01:04:04.000And then by the end of the day, where I was like gone so like within myself and not being able to connect and speak to people properly, I was thinking, he must be drunk by now.
01:04:13.000And then I'm looking at me and he's even pissed.
01:04:15.000And I thought, I wonder what his wife's like with him when he gets home.
01:04:18.000Will he be drinking whiskey when he gets home?
01:04:38.000I didn't drink, and I've been all right ever since.
01:04:40.000But that was when I realized fuck, man, I can't leave any of this stuff.
01:04:45.000I need to do everything daily prayer, meditation, contact other alcoholics, get to meetings as much as I can, and be as useful as I can to other alkies.
01:04:54.000I can't, I ain't ever going to live a normal life.
01:05:23.000I think some too is, I mean, like, first 10 years, I probably would have like, Certain moments, when it would begin to come up, it would start to scare me.
01:05:38.000It's like I would start getting spiritually sick.
01:05:42.000I would just not do the shit I needed to do.
01:05:44.000I wanted to spend time with God, wasn't going to me, wasn't getting plugged in at all, wasn't helping anyone, and then would just get selfish.
01:05:53.000And if I do that for a little amount of time, then all of a sudden I would have like a somewhat stronger urge or thought.
01:06:04.000Not that I, I mean, after going through all 12, like I really did have a spiritual awakening, but I mean, like it says, I mean, we have a reprieve, which it isn't a cure, you know.
01:06:17.000You know, you guys know that, you know, they use that for people on death row, right?
01:06:22.000Like that's what the word reprieve is really like, you know, you're not going to die today, you know, but you're on death row.
01:06:29.000You're, you know, it'll be maybe tomorrow.
01:06:31.000And so we got to do these things to do a reprieve, but.
01:06:35.000Yeah, like I've had it throughout my sobriety for sure, especially in those first years that I would have that come up.
01:06:45.000And it would hit me at times that I would not expect it necessarily either.
01:06:49.000I'd be feeling okay, and all of a sudden, but I wasn't doing anything spiritually.
01:07:36.000Good because two things started to happen a while ago.
01:07:38.000One was like I started to understand in a kind of a Lazarus way flesh decays, you know.
01:07:44.000And I also, as a father, began to see the daughter vibes of women, you know.
01:07:52.000But like I know I could be like I'm cautious around that.
01:07:58.000And I think it's a sort of a prudent caution because when I see Radhanath Swami, who'd been a monk all them years, shake hands with my wife, embrace me, I'm like, wow, man, they take that.
01:08:17.000When's the last time you actually saw alcohol or drugs or like had an actual.
01:08:22.000The thing that came back when Joe asked the question was like, there's heroin, it's always heroin.
01:08:28.000One time, I think I've told this before, I was doing something for New Musical Express, a cool magazine in the UK around music, and I was doing something for them before I got proper famous, but I was a bit famous.
01:08:38.000And Pete Doherty out of the Libertines was very sort of cool.
01:08:42.000Heroin addict and brilliant, brilliant musician.
01:08:44.000I went into the toilet with him and held his spoon while he was cooking up.
01:08:50.000The smell, the smell, I remember thinking, Oh man.
01:08:55.000And then my mate Lucy, God rest her soul, when she would come around our house and she would have to use in our house, you know, like in our little children around in our little country cottage, she'd have to sort of pop off to the guest house and bang up.
01:09:10.000And I like when I'm around the paraphernalia of it, like.
01:09:19.000What I have to do more of is literally sit and be with Christ.
01:09:23.000You know, I know you've got the rosary there, Johan.
01:09:27.000Sometimes for me, any form of rote prayer can not be what I need.
01:09:33.000Like, say, even I know I've memorized, as it says in our literature, I've memorized Lord's Prayer, St. Francis' Prayer, Step Three Prayer, Step Seven Prayer, and another prayer Tony Robbins gave me.
01:09:46.000And when on a good day when I'm doing them, I feel them.
01:09:49.000I feel like they relieve me of the bondage of self.
01:09:52.000That I may better do thy will, take away my difficulties, that victory over them may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy love, and thy way of life.
01:10:03.000But, like, what I feel like, you know, see what heroin will do is unloop you from yourself, the part of yourself that's endlessly worrying and irritating to be in.
01:10:17.000Like, that sort of feeling of a valve, like, and like, ah, and like that, man, I'll never forget that first time, man.
01:10:25.000I'll never forget that first time of like just laying down as always on a bathroom floor and like, oh my God, this is amazing.
01:10:33.000Why isn't everyone doing this all the time?
01:10:43.000I forget all the times it made me puke up and it never really worked and all of that and the itchiness and the kicky legs and the withdrawal and all those things.
01:10:51.000You know, obviously, in the end, everyone stops because the consequences make you stop.
01:10:56.000And it, like, whatever your drug, you stop because the consequences, you have to.
01:11:10.000You know, like, but that's the one, like, just the smell, man.
01:11:14.000The smell and the feeling of relief that's even better than sleep or dreams.
01:11:20.000And I guess, really, what it points to, like, an arrow, Is you can't have, you can't be living in a life that's so painful for you that that's preferable.
01:11:28.000You have to address what are these, what is this pain you're in?
01:11:33.000That sounds really nice the way he described it, or it was making me want it.
01:11:39.000Think of it, I've felt that like not immediately, like heroin or alcohol or any other drug, but I get this similar response spiritually.
01:11:53.000Just like in even think you, this is one thing I think that is good to mention about what you've you do, Russell, or we do together.
01:12:04.000I mean, we'll confess with each other, even like we'll be somewhere and and you know, just thoughts that you're having, and we'll get back in the plane or we'll get back on the road and just being able to go, Oh man, I need to get this out and just sharing it.
01:12:46.000In like CA meetings, you men are like, do all that bit, and then like, you get everyone like feeling it, and then you go, but it's not like that today.
01:12:55.000And then they did a little, like, everything's good today.
01:14:47.000Like, all right, so let's not do drugs now.
01:14:50.000Well, thank you very much for joining us for Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell.
01:14:56.000Thank you for that introductory music.
01:14:58.000Remember, you lot, don't take drugs if you are a drug addict.
01:15:02.000We will be back on Monday with a conversation with Tucker Carlson.
01:15:08.000If you've been interested in the way that the war is unfolding and the MACA movement is fragmenting, then this is the conversation I think that will give you the most insight.