Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Messiah Complex Returns — SF705

00:00:10.000 Russell Brand, trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 We're going to be talking about blasphemy, we're going to be talking about ascendancy and ascension and revolution and rebellion, and all of it is available on Rumble and Rumble Premium.

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00:00:31.000 Let us talk together freely outside the inhibiting presence of those that would seek to censor us.

00:00:38.000 But is some censorship.

00:00:40.000 A good thing?

00:00:41.000 Do you like having a president that would willfully just compare himself to Jesus?

00:00:47.000 I mean, it's shocking.

00:00:49.000 That's actually me.

00:00:50.000 I did that.

00:00:50.000 That's me comparing myself to Jesus before coming to Jesus.

00:00:54.000 Good photo, not the right message.

00:00:56.000 Although we can gain access to Christ if we are willing to surrender everything about ourselves that we consider to be more important than Him.

00:01:05.000 Here's the post that caused all the trouble.

00:01:07.000 When I was on Tucker Carlson.

00:01:10.000 Carson, the other day, it's on all of the Tucker Carlson things right now, I guess.

00:01:15.000 The thing that caused most concern was the demonic presence in the light above.

00:01:21.000 Now, like, in a way, should it make any difference?

00:01:24.000 Is it any different than when Donald Trump posts himself as Superman?

00:01:27.000 In a way, he sort of could say that he's reviving what looks like Hunter Biden around the people from that Duck Dynasty show.

00:01:35.000 Maybe it's as simple as that.

00:01:37.000 If there was anything that concerned me, it would be the demonic presence.

00:01:40.000 Up there in the sky.

00:01:42.000 Meghan Kelly, who I'll be joining soon to discuss my new book.

00:01:46.000 There's a link in the description to buy that. 0.96

00:01:47.000 Oh, don't hold that up so damn. 0.96

00:01:49.000 I'm talking about being antichrists. 0.98

00:01:51.000 This is my book, How I Become a Christian in Seven Days.

00:01:54.000 How I Love You, Lord.

00:01:55.000 It's a good book, this.

00:01:55.000 I'm real proud of it.

00:01:56.000 Please get it, particularly if you love me.

00:01:59.000 It's pretty good.

00:02:00.000 I'm going on Meghan Kelly soon.

00:02:02.000 Not like that, grow up. 0.77

00:02:03.000 Here's Meghan Kelly talking about how 1.4 billion Catholics have been offended.

00:02:08.000 One of those Catholics, Joe McCann, is on the Show with us, as you know, every week, and he'll be doing crack on in just a matter of moments. 0.56

00:02:15.000 But before that, we're going to cover Trump and blasphemy. 1.00

00:02:18.000 We're going to look at some of the disturbing news emerging all around the world.

00:02:22.000 We're going to be talking about Sam Harris, who hopefully will come on the show for an honest chat with us.

00:02:25.000 We're going to be fronting the IMF.

00:02:28.000 But first, let's hear Megyn Kelly's views on Trump's blasphemy.

00:02:33.000 I don't know why the president's getting so desperate for attention that he feels the need to mock 1.4 billion Catholics.

00:02:40.000 It's enough, okay? 0.96

00:02:41.000 It's enough with this nonsense.

00:02:43.000 I know you love getting a rise out of people.

00:02:45.000 I know you're really enjoying being subversive.

00:02:47.000 You upset all the right people.

00:02:49.000 I get it.

00:02:50.000 But you know, like, why? 1.00

00:02:52.000 Last week it was Muslims. 1.00

00:02:54.000 Now it's Catholics. 1.00

00:02:56.000 Who's next? 1.00

00:02:57.000 I bet you it's not going to be the Jews. 1.00

00:03:01.000 She bowled. 1.00

00:03:02.000 She bowled Meghan Kelly.

00:03:03.000 I'm looking forward to meeting her.

00:03:06.000 Hey, what I think is pretty interesting is Donald Trump, he's always been a little bit like this.

00:03:14.000 And I think what a lot of people are feeling is that in condemning Trump, those that were his vociferous advocates, among them Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Meghan Kelly, are having to.

00:03:29.000 Kind of walk back the evangelism and zeal that led him to be president in the first place.

00:03:34.000 Imagine how the liberal left must be rejoicing at this fragmentation of the once unified space.

00:03:43.000 Therefore, those of us that have always said don't worship political figures, the institutions and the systems themselves are what need to change, are, I would say, white as snow in this instance.

00:03:55.000 And I don't mean that in a racist way, I'm also against racism.

00:03:58.000 Let's have a look at John Stewart saying that he saw us.

00:04:01.000 Familiar face, I guess, in that meme.

00:04:02.000 Let's have a look at Jon Stewart.

00:04:04.000 He's a funny guy.

00:04:04.000 Wait, the guy in the bed, can I just.

00:04:07.000 Are you.

00:04:15.000 Nice, he's still got it, Judge Stewart.

00:04:17.000 He's still got it.

00:04:18.000 It's he himself.

00:04:19.000 Let's have a look at how Trump voters have responded to the Post.

00:04:22.000 That's a disgrace.

00:04:25.000 I mean, they've hit pay dirt there. 0.99

00:04:27.000 He's got a white truck, a mustache, not in a gay way, and he's not taken his shades off to be interviewed. 0.63

00:04:32.000 That is a Trump voter. 0.85

00:04:35.000 I'm very upset about that.

00:04:39.000 I mean, how egotistical can you possibly be?

00:04:41.000 I'm ashamed that he would actually do that.

00:04:45.000 A man I voted for and trust.

00:04:48.000 Again, this will cause revelry and rejoicing among the liberal left, but I urge you already to step outside of the vicissitudes of swinging from an imagined left to an imagined right between the colours red and blue.

00:05:00.000 Ascend, ascend these systems, demand direct digital democracy and absolute open source participation.

00:05:06.000 That's why me and Joby Weeks and a whole other set of people that have been exposed to significant lawfare, you'll be next, Dave, are building the technology for digital democracy.

00:05:16.000 I'll be running for Mayor of London in 20 28.

00:05:20.000 Who knows what conditions I'll be in by then?

00:05:22.000 But it doesn't matter because in democracy is the will of the people and indeed the ability of the people to vote that matters.

00:05:29.000 We're building the tech right now, even as we speak.

00:05:32.000 If you want more money spent on roads, no problem.

00:05:36.000 If you want police time and resources spent on Facebook crime, you can vote for it.

00:05:40.000 If you want it spent on knife crime, vote for it.

00:05:42.000 Throw off the shackles and the labels.

00:05:44.000 Walk instead with the divine truth accessible to us all.

00:05:48.000 The Iranians, it seems, are trolling President Trump for his recent ascent or descent into blasphemy. 0.63

00:05:56.000 Spence whose perspective you look at it from. 0.97

00:05:59.000 From his perspective, it's ascending because, you know, Christ can't go any higher than that.

00:06:03.000 From a religious perspective, it's a descent into blasphemy. 1.00

00:06:06.000 Let's look at what Iran, let's see what these cheeky Iranians are saying about this. 1.00

00:06:11.000 Your reckoning has come. 1.00

00:06:13.000 What is this?

00:06:21.000 I mean, we're in a blasphemy spiral now.

00:06:23.000 Our Lord would not be using the old fisticuffs, although apparently when he returns, it will be with a sword.

00:06:30.000 Let's have a look at how Trump defends this.

00:06:32.000 And let me know, I've not watched this yet.

00:06:34.000 I know the story, you know, stories a million years ago in internet years, but I want to see this is what I'm trying to hold together.

00:06:43.000 I find Trump a fascinating individual, having gone from in like 2015, 14, thinking this person can't be president, this is madness, finding him a sort of joy.

00:06:53.000 Because, you know, my enemy's enemy is my friend, that kind of mentality.

00:06:56.000 But perhaps a little more sophisticated and nuanced that he brings to the forefront political and ideological problems that are able to be masked if you have innocuous bureaucratic and managerial leaders, or even showbizzy leaders,

00:07:11.000 whether you're talking about Blair in my country, who's a sort of a blend of bureaucrat and showbiz, good public speaker, potentially demon controlled, or Obama, a sort of almost a return to the kind of Reagan and Kennedy levels of.

00:07:27.000 Public facing excellence.

00:07:29.000 And if those presidents could deliver little in 2008, Barack Obama yielding to the powers of the centralized financial industry, and if Trump ultimately does in a situation of global conflict what one imagines Kamala Harris would have done, isn't the gig up for centralized party politics, particularly this bipartisan concoction that most democracies live with?

00:07:52.000 So for me, this ain't no great revelation nor no great fall.

00:07:56.000 I'm really interested to see how his social dexterity and media skills enable him to.

00:08:02.000 Talk his way out of this one.

00:08:03.000 And did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ?

00:08:07.000 Well, it wasn't depicted.

00:08:08.000 It was me.

00:08:09.000 I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there, which we support.

00:08:17.000 And only the fake news could come up with that one.

00:08:20.000 So I just heard about it.

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00:09:57.000 And I said, how did they come up with that?

00:10:09.000 It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better.

00:10:12.000 And I do make people better.

00:10:13.000 I make people a lot better.

00:10:16.000 As an example, the 11,000, I understand your husband's going through a treatment.

00:10:21.000 Yes, sir.

00:10:22.000 Yes, sir.

00:10:22.000 He's going through some very serious cancer treatment, so this goes a long way.

00:10:27.000 Yes, sir, it sure does.

00:10:30.000 There we go, not vintage Trump, I wouldn't say, but somewhat adeptly handled.

00:10:36.000 In this giddying, spiraling time, I think it's difficult even to hang on to the rails.

00:10:42.000 The world is moving so quickly, isn't it, now, into a kind of geopolitical heat that seems to me unprecedented.

00:10:51.000 Then I remind myself what would it have been like if you'd had Instagram and X when the bombs of Nagasaki and Hiroshima went off?

00:10:59.000 What would we be saying if Pearl Harbor had happened when.

00:11:05.000 If Pearl Harbor had happened when social media was available, or Dunkirk, or Normandy, or any of the sort of Second World War, the great wars, as they are known, of the last century, how would they be reported?

00:11:15.000 Vietnam, even the proxy wars in their last incarnation, how would they have seemed in their age?

00:11:20.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

00:11:24.000 Here, though, is an advert from Trump.

00:11:27.000 I'm not sure what the context is.

00:11:29.000 Here's an advert from Trump.

00:11:30.000 Are you suffering from a serious life-threatening illness?

00:11:33.000 Has your doctor told you you're probably going to die?

00:11:36.000 My name is Dr. Donald Trump and I have helped millions of patients with conditions.

00:11:41.000 I don't know.

00:11:42.000 I mean, what are you asking?

00:11:44.000 Do you think he was lying there?

00:11:46.000 Do you think he actually thought it was a Red Cross worker?

00:11:50.000 I don't think that.

00:11:53.000 I think he's below the threshold of his concern.

00:11:55.000 Someone said, I think he was told the photo was doctored, and they're wondering if he confused that to mean.

00:12:03.000 Well, he's someone healing someone.

00:12:06.000 He's someone healing someone.

00:12:07.000 But what I think he must be like, don't you?

00:12:09.000 Did you watch that Tucker Carlson documentary where he was like, yeah, you actually saw him posting?

00:12:15.000 Like, I didn't watch the whole thing, actually.

00:12:16.000 You know, who watches the whole anything these days?

00:12:18.000 I just remember seeing some clips of it.

00:12:20.000 And like, he's like just on Truth Social, typing and doing stuff.

00:12:25.000 And it's all very urgent and immediate and spontaneous.

00:12:28.000 And I don't see him going into an AI program and having it generate it.

00:12:34.000 And then him posting it.

00:12:35.000 So someone else probably generated it.

00:12:38.000 Hey, what do you think about this, sir?

00:12:39.000 Yeah, it's pretty funny.

00:12:40.000 And he's just like, put it out there.

00:12:43.000 Probably.

00:12:43.000 I think that might be what it's like.

00:12:46.000 In any event, he's put himself into a sort of a conflict.

00:12:50.000 If you were looking at Trump in a Lao Tzu way, as in an art of war, excuse me, a Sun Tzu, who is it wrote Art of War?

00:12:57.000 I can't remember.

00:12:57.000 But anyway, if you look at him in an art of war way, you're not meant to have conflicts unless you want to have the conflict.

00:13:03.000 And I think this feels kind of.

00:13:06.000 Inadvertent.

00:13:07.000 Whilst I reckon the conflict between Iran and the United States was going to happen, whoever was president, what I feel like this might represent is an end of the idea that Trump exists outside of an imperial globalist purview, i.e., whoever's really in control can continue to do what they want to do regardless of the outcome of any election.

00:13:31.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and the chat.

00:13:36.000 In English, I would simply say, when Once again, what I said in the Urbi et Urbi message on Sunday, asking all people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which is continuing to escalate and which is not resolving anything.

00:14:05.000 In fact, we have a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis.

00:14:11.000 Situation in the Middle East of great instability, which is only provoking more hatred throughout the world.

00:14:18.000 So come back to the table, let's talk, let's look for solutions in a peaceful way, and let's remember especially the innocent, children, the elderly, the sick, so many people who have already become or will become victims of this continued warfare, to remind all that attacks on civilian infrastructure, Is against international law,

00:14:44.000 but that it is also a sign of the hatred, the division, the destruction the human being is capable of.

00:14:52.000 And we all want to work for peace.

00:14:54.000 People want peace.

00:14:56.000 I would invite the citizens of all the countries involved to contact the authorities, political leaders, congressmen, to ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always.

00:15:10.000 Thank you very much.

00:15:11.000 In a way, it's heartening to see.

00:15:13.000 A religious leader, the head of the church in this instance, declaring that the goal should be peace and encouraging activism because the ascendant and ultimate authority is the authority of God.

00:15:28.000 Secularism, which has never been tried before, I was reminded in my conversation with Tucker Carlson, you'll be able to see that today, and our interview with him next week, is a relatively modern phenomenon.

00:15:39.000 People previously have never tried to live apart from a holy code.

00:15:44.000 Even if that's derived from pagan beliefs or Islamic.

00:15:47.000 And the idea that we can just through reason with mankind as the apex, not just one individual, but our entire species, is pretty novel and I would say doesn't seem to be going that well.

00:16:02.000 Don't you feel like a lot of times the church is subjugating itself to the power of the fallen one, the institutions that might be controlled by evil?

00:16:10.000 Certainly, that's the biblical and scriptural position that the institutions of the world, the world itself, is controlled by the evil one.

00:16:16.000 The prince of this world has come to get me now, our Lord says in Luke when Judas betrays him.

00:16:21.000 And I feel that the question of our time might be bigger even than the enormous personality of Donald Trump, and even larger than the great conflicts that appear to be igniting and exacerbating in the Middle East.

00:16:38.000 What is the role of God in your life as an individual and what is the role of God in our lives collectively?

00:16:45.000 If we reject God, what are the coordinates by which we govern our own lives and by which we navigate hot, contentious political conflicts such as the one right now?

00:17:00.000 In a sense, Pope Leo there didn't seem to be, and I don't know what the chronology is, particularly addressing a blasphemous post, but the problem of war itself.

00:17:07.000 And as I've heard, friends of mine, I'm friends with Sean Foyt, hey, that preacher, and he clearly really, he's a good guy.

00:17:12.000 I like him a lot.

00:17:13.000 I love him.

00:17:14.000 And he's, I think, a real advocate for Trump and believes that Trump's doing the right thing.

00:17:20.000 My feeling, though, is that, and also that we know what we get with Trump, and we always knew that he was a kind of a bombastic and egocentric individual.

00:17:30.000 In truth, though, and from my perspective, just as another Christian walking the earth very, very briefly, hopefully before being brought into eternity, the problem is not Donald Trump.

00:17:41.000 Donald Trump represents the end of a kind of political era, the era of the political personality or the anti personality politician, in the case of Keir Starmer. 0.68

00:17:52.000 It's over now.

00:17:53.000 There isn't someone else you can put in that office that is going to improve our condition.

00:17:59.000 We're all fallen.

00:18:00.000 We're all broken.

00:18:01.000 Lurid, vivid, colourful, powerful characters like Donald Trump.

00:18:06.000 Insignificant, grey, irrelevant characters like, you know, basically the rest of us when compared to him.

00:18:13.000 So.

00:18:14.000 We've got to stop believing in false idols, and that's been a pretty clear religious direction for a very, very, very long time indeed.

00:18:23.000 Here's Trump's response.

00:18:25.000 I mean, like he's attacking dear old Pope Leo, calling him weak and terrible for foreign policy, and says that he likes his brother better and that he was elected in a landslide, and that Obama's a better politician.

00:18:37.000 And in a way, sort of the type of discourse that we recognize, if we've, you know, let's face it, that pretty much the whole world follows Trump these days.

00:18:47.000 But what I'd like to point out to you from the book of Daniel here is this wicked prophecy man.

00:18:54.000 Check this out.

00:18:55.000 It's from Daniel 11.

00:18:57.000 See the prophet Daniel.

00:18:59.000 He dreams of, in his sort of vision that comes towards the end of the book, or at least it's after he's done, like, you know, a load of famous stuff, Lion's Den and them lads, Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego have been tossed in that furnace only for there to be a fourth figure in there.

00:19:17.000 Daniel offers up this vision.

00:19:19.000 This is in 7, Daniel 7.

00:19:22.000 In his vision, he says, I saw the winds churning up the great sea.

00:19:27.000 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.

00:19:30.000 The first was like a lion and it had the wings of an eagle.

00:19:34.000 That I saw as the combination of the British and American empires.

00:19:39.000 I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so it stood on two feet like a human being.

00:19:45.000 This I see as the personification of the counterfeit god that is the evil one.

00:19:50.000 It stands on its feet like a human being.

00:19:53.000 Government, like, see when people say corporations have human rights?

00:19:56.000 You know, you've heard that argument?

00:19:57.000 Well, this is a bit like that, but for government.

00:19:59.000 And the mind of a human was given to it.

00:20:01.000 I consider that to be the false consciousness of AI.

00:20:05.000 Then he describes that another of these four great beastly entities is like a bear. 0.84

00:20:10.000 I assume that's one way of understanding Russia. 0.80

00:20:13.000 Certainly that emblem can be attached to it.

00:20:15.000 But the fourth vision, after a set of images, animal images, totemic images that seem to represent the East, is the one that frightens Daniel the most.

00:20:25.000 It was terrifying, frightening.

00:20:27.000 It had large iron teeth.

00:20:28.000 It crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot what was ever left.

00:20:33.000 It was different from the former beasts.

00:20:34.000 It had 10 horns.

00:20:36.000 I'm really spending a lot of time, and let me know in the comments and chat.

00:20:39.000 And of course, both Dave and Jake and Joe have been Christian longer than I have, and I'll be interested in any interpretation of what horns mean.

00:20:47.000 I keep thinking about antennae and the capacity of antennae to conduct power.

00:20:52.000 Before me was another horn.

00:20:54.000 Now, this is really interesting and very graphic language.

00:20:57.000 Another horn, a little one, which came up from among them, and three of the first horns were uprooted before it.

00:21:03.000 This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human.

00:21:06.000 Like the eyes of a human being, and a mouth that spoke boastfully.

00:21:11.000 Then there's some prophecy that sounds like it's the return of the chosen one.

00:21:14.000 The Ancient of Days took his seat.

00:21:16.000 His clothing was as white as snow.

00:21:18.000 His hair was white like wool.

00:21:19.000 His throne was flaming with fire.

00:21:22.000 There are many references to Christ like figures and to God, how one might personify God the Father.

00:21:29.000 Elsewhere, Daniel, a great prophet who survived four different dynasties, beginning with Nebuchadnezzar and then his son, and even survived when there was a change of command, like when Darius, the king of Persia, over.

00:21:45.000 Took the power of Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel remains in a position of authority.

00:21:50.000 One of my favorite bits in Daniel is there's the bit that's after the writing of the wall, where Belshazzar, I think, is his name, the son of Nebuchadnezzar, sees like the figurative writing on the wall, which, along with Christ writing on the ground before the adulterous woman, is one of these extraordinary times.

00:22:05.000 And I guess the writing of the Ten Commandments.

00:22:07.000 I like it when God is legible and lapidary writing in stone before us.

00:22:12.000 I like these occasions.

00:22:13.000 Anyway, in that writing on the wall, you can tell that the court are shitting themselves, like the king's terrified. 1.00

00:22:18.000 He's got a load of concubines around.

00:22:20.000 They've been necking booze out of the goblets that have been stolen from the temple. 1.00

00:22:24.000 They're delighting in their sacrilegiousness, these lot are.

00:22:27.000 And I really, the way that Daniel, the book of Daniel, and Daniel himself, if he wrote it, depict these times is right cool because everyone seems like they're messed up, like everyone's had a real high old time, orgies, drinking.

00:22:41.000 Then the vibe has changed because of this writing on the wall.

00:22:44.000 And the writing on the wall basically says, your enemies are going to take over, you're finished, you're going to die.

00:22:48.000 And there's this amazing bit. 0.89

00:22:50.000 Where the king Belshazzar gets Daniel in and he's like, Listen, I'll look after you.

00:22:54.000 I'm going to get you robes.

00:22:55.000 I'm going to give you a necklace.

00:22:56.000 You're going to be powerful.

00:22:57.000 And the way that Daniel deals with him is like, Yeah, all right, mate.

00:23:01.000 Listen, this is what I don't need nothing from you.

00:23:03.000 This is how it's going to go down. 0.84

00:23:05.000 And Daniel knows that that guy is going to be dead in the morning.

00:23:08.000 Those of us that are aligned with and attuned to the supreme truths cannot be controlled by earthly power.

00:23:15.000 You will feel like you will be happy to be anointed and eat in the presence of your enemies.

00:23:21.000 You'll be cool with it because you'll know.

00:23:23.000 We ain't here long.

00:23:25.000 Our gaze must remain fixed on the joy of the hereafter.

00:23:28.000 This is just momentary suffering we're encountering.

00:23:31.000 Anyway, listen to this about the king.

00:23:34.000 It's a pretty condemnatory passage, which when I read it to Tucker the other day, he noted that it could be applied to the current hubris of the current world king.

00:23:50.000 Excuse me while I just kiss the sky.

00:23:54.000 um king version i remember i thought it was in daniel 10.

00:24:01.000 What piece are you looking for?

00:24:02.000 I'm going to look it up.

00:24:03.000 This is from Daniel 11.

00:24:05.000 The king will do as he pleases.

00:24:07.000 He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the God of gods.

00:24:13.000 He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

00:24:19.000 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors.

00:24:22.000 It continues, of course, but I suppose it's easy to see those prophetic words as applicable to our time, and all true wisdom is by its nature atemporal, aspatial, because that's the character of God.

00:24:32.000 It's all happening all the time.

00:24:34.000 Everywhere, and it's our role to be able to tell you the truth as best we can beyond, inside, within, and around time.

00:24:42.000 It's our literal job.

00:24:43.000 It's our literal job to do that.

00:24:44.000 I forgot that for a while because I had a lot of pressure, but luckily that pressure has been relieved now.

00:24:49.000 So everything is good.

00:24:51.000 So we're living in, it seems, an apocalyptic age, and certainly from the revelatory sense, we always are living in a revelatory age.

00:24:58.000 People will come and go, they will die eventually. 0.98

00:25:00.000 All tyrants must die. 0.97

00:25:02.000 I remember Eric Hyde, all the great pythons, saying that from Monty Python, I mean. 0.97

00:25:06.000 And don't worry though, because it's all Going to be fine because God is absolutely, actually real.

00:25:12.000 I can tell you that for a certain fact.

00:25:14.000 Praise the Lord.

00:25:15.000 But that's just what I think.

00:25:16.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:25:18.000 If you don't have your copy of How to Become a Christian in Seven Days, then get one now.

00:25:23.000 We should do some sort of competition, don't you think? 0.56

00:25:25.000 Let's do some sort of competition.

00:25:26.000 In this competition, you have to give us a lot of money and we'll give you the book.

00:25:30.000 No, just give us what it costs.

00:25:32.000 Hold on, what does it cost?

00:25:33.000 I'm not going to keep no money from it, by the way, guys.

00:25:35.000 I'm going to do good things with it.

00:25:37.000 $32.99.

00:25:38.000 Oh, I might as well have just gone all the way up to $33.

00:25:42.000 One of my favourite.

00:25:43.000 Numbers there, because of the Lord and his lifespan.

00:25:45.000 Okay, we can't make this content without the support of our partners.

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00:26:05.000 OpenAI has former NSA leadership on its board, is exploring ads, and even requires government ID for some models.

00:26:12.000 That should give you pause.

00:26:13.000 Well, if you've got nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear.

00:26:15.000 Well, just hope that you never ever do anything that could ever bother anyone.

00:26:18.000 All you have to do is live a life of totally irrelevant and you should be fine.

00:26:22.000 But what if you want more?

00:26:23.000 What if you want to participate?

00:26:24.000 What if you want to be a conduit for divinity?

00:26:26.000 What if you believe that there's an Armageddon coming, a great big holy battle?

00:26:30.000 What are you going to do?

00:26:30.000 Sit quietly, put your ID into some digital code.

00:26:33.000 No, Fight back, baby.

00:26:35.000 We've already learned too late what social media was doing with our data.

00:26:39.000 AI is worse because people share far more intimate information.

00:26:42.000 Yeah.

00:26:43.000 On top of that, most AI tools censor harmless prompts and quietly steer what you're allowed to ask or think.

00:26:48.000 That's why I've been using Venice.

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00:27:47.000 Lawrence Fox, my brother actor over in the UK, has said the N word in public.

00:27:56.000 Massey put this in here, I think, because he likes stuff like this.

00:27:59.000 Myself, I find racism a bit awkward and embarrassing, and I'd prefer it if it stopped.

00:28:04.000 Nevertheless, this is Rumble.

00:28:07.000 I mean, let's take it further.

00:28:08.000 Let's go a lot further. 1.00

00:28:10.000 I think we should all be able to say the N word. 1.00

00:28:13.000 Go on, then. 1.00

00:28:14.000 Nigger. 1.00

00:28:16.000 Oh. 0.99

00:28:17.000 I think we should all be able to. say it I don't think it should just be reserved to one group of people okay I think if we're gonna have a word then everyone should be able to say it okay let's see who you will say will you say that to anyone are you do you mind the context I'm not interested in going and upsetting people and winding them up but I don't believe there should be one word that's reserved for one group of people I think that's that is wrong There you go.

00:28:41.000 Lawrence Fox saying the N word there.

00:28:45.000 I mean, I've told you before why I stopped saying that word.

00:28:49.000 People kept beating me up.

00:28:51.000 What's this one for the citizens?

00:28:53.000 Spain's Prime Minister says the legalisation of over half a million migrants will be approved today, calling it an act of justice.

00:29:00.000 That would be popular. 1.00

00:29:01.000 And the IMF has just downgraded Britain's economic prospects, making it the worst economy out of all the major economies of the world.

00:29:10.000 Breaking news.

00:29:12.000 The International Monetary Fund has downgraded Britain's economic prospects more than any G7 country in its latest update on the state of the global economy.

00:29:22.000 It's a fresh blow for Chancellor Rachel Reeves, with the financial institutions slashing the UK's growth forecast from 1.3% to 0.8%.

00:29:31.000 It also follows a similar downgrade from the OECD.

00:29:35.000 Just last month, the IMF says the UK is also set to see higher inflation in the months ahead.

00:29:42.000 Price rises set to average at 3.2% across 2020.

00:29:47.000 But I don't like their league table, the IMF.

00:29:49.000 I've never liked the IMF, the International Monetary Fund.

00:29:52.000 Who are all these people?

00:29:55.000 Israel have been called the New Third Reich by Konrad Berkowitz, who's a Polish politician. 0.91

00:30:01.000 The attack on Israel on the Blisk Wschod is that Polish people are going to be able to get paliwa.

00:30:07.000 But how do you get children, who have been killed many times more than during the whole war in Ukraine? 0.97

00:30:13.000 Żydzi stosują zakazaną bombę fosforową, która pochłania tlen z powietrza i doprowadza do ich śmierci przez uduszenie.

00:30:22.000 Więcej dym z tej bomby dostaje się do płuc i pali je od środka.

00:30:26.000 One duszą się i palą się od środka jednocześnie.

00:30:31.000 Kilkadziesiąt tysięcy kobiet i dzieci.

00:30:35.000 Ale jak jakiemuś dziecku się poszczęści i się nie udusi, to biały fosfor przyklei się do policzka, do rączki i wypala się przez tkanki do kości.

00:30:45.000 Nie da się tego zgasić, więc od tego dziecku.

00:30:49.000 Izrael does not do it in our own eyes.

00:30:52.000 Izrael does not do it in our own eyes. 0.94

00:30:54.000 Izrael is now a Trade Rzesza. 0.74

00:30:55.000 Izrael is now a Trade Rzesza. 0.95

00:30:57.000 Izrael has to be like that. 0.99

00:30:59.000 Izrael has to be like that. 0.99

00:31:00.000 Thank you. 1.00

00:31:06.000 Pan poseł Maciej, and we are going to go to the next one.

00:31:24.000 A UK wholesaler has reported shocking price surges seen over the course of one week.

00:31:30.000 One week!

00:31:31.000 What's going on in our crazy country?

00:31:34.000 This time last week, a box of broccoli like that, I paid £9.90.

00:31:38.000 So, six kilos of broccoli last Friday. cost me £9.90.

00:31:45.000 You buy 20 boxes on a fry.

00:31:47.000 Today, this broccoli, same weight, Spanish broccoli, cost me £24 a box.

00:31:54.000 So, 15 quid a box or so dearer than this time last week.

00:31:59.000 This time of year, you'd expect to pay somewhere between £6.50, £7.00 a box for tomatoes.

00:32:06.000 This morning, £20.

00:32:08.000 Ordinarily, you'd be paid somewhere around, let's say £9, £9, £10 ordinarily.

00:32:15.000 This morning, £17.50.

00:32:17.000 12 in a box.

00:32:19.000 This time of year, I would expect the normal price for something like that would be £6.60, £7.20 a box, so costing us about £60p a head.

00:32:28.000 That's what I would normally expect to be paying.

00:32:31.000 This morning, that cost £1.10 per head.

00:32:36.000 If you're watching this anywhere other than Rumble, like YouTube or X, click the link in the description.

00:32:40.000 It's time now for Crack On with Dave, Russell, and Joe.

00:32:47.000 This podcast is not allied with nor endorsed by any particular 12 step fellowship.

00:32:53.000 Although we may reference their literature, we do not represent these organizations.

00:32:58.000 The primary purpose of this podcast is to provide additional support to men and women who walk the path of recovery.

00:33:05.000 We share our personal experience of the 12 steps in the hope that others can benefit.

00:33:10.000 Take what is useful, disregard what isn't.

00:33:13.000 Apologies in advance for any offence caused.

00:33:15.000 Any other problems, take them to your God and your sponsor.

00:33:20.000 Crack on!

00:33:22.000 Let us crack on and ignore the irony that I'm literally attached to a drip.

00:33:26.000 It says that this week we're discussing interaction.

00:33:30.000 In Crack On, we talk about recovery and principles of recovery.

00:33:33.000 The important thing I think about recovery is that it can be applied to the world.

00:33:40.000 You're addicted to nothing more than reality as you see it.

00:33:44.000 It's like you're consuming yourself in front of you.

00:33:47.000 We've got to decouple ourselves from these mad addictions.

00:33:50.000 We've got to recognize that until we enter into the spiritual world, we're dead indeed.

00:33:55.000 I picked this out.

00:33:56.000 So we have ceased fighting anyone or anything, even alcohol, for by this time, sanity would have returned.

00:34:03.000 We will seldom be interested in liquor.

00:34:06.000 If tempted, we recoil from it as we would from a hot flame.

00:34:10.000 We react sanely and normally, and we will find that this has happened automatically.

00:34:15.000 We will see that our new attitude toward liquor has been given us without any thought or effort on our part.

00:34:21.000 It comes.

00:34:22.000 That is the miracle of it.

00:34:24.000 It just comes, rather.

00:34:25.000 We are not fighting it.

00:34:27.000 Neither are we avoiding temptation.

00:34:29.000 We feel as though we had been placed in a position of neutrality, safe and protected.

00:34:34.000 We have not even sworn off.

00:34:36.000 Instead, the problem has been removed.

00:34:38.000 It does not exist for us.

00:34:39.000 We are neither cocky nor are we afraid.

00:34:42.000 That is our experience.

00:34:44.000 That is how we react so long as we keep in fit spiritual condition.

00:34:49.000 It goes on, but the gist of it is I picked that out because I thought, well, I mean, it says you get restored to sanity, right?

00:34:56.000 And that's like step two.

00:34:58.000 I mean, is that just in terms of alcohol?

00:35:00.000 Like, What does it really mean to be sane?

00:35:03.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:35:04.000 Because I personally feel like I'm always going to be mental.

00:35:06.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:35:08.000 Like, I know that I've been restored to sanity in terms of, like, I know I can't drink and it never looks even remotely sort of tempting or nothing. 0.97

00:35:19.000 But some days I do think, fuck me, I'm still mad, like, you know? 0.87

00:35:23.000 But then could that insanity drive you back out the door to a state where you think it's a good idea to drink again? 0.99

00:35:29.000 And can that happen through, like, you know, like that says in the literature resentment, fear, and all that kind of stuff?

00:35:35.000 Don't you think like a lot of people park at a level of recovery that's a kind of placid passivity where, like, we maybe don't drink or use, but the thing that's holding your life together isn't a spiritual connection?

00:35:51.000 Yeah, I see that a lot.

00:35:54.000 Or they get, they retard their spiritual growth, they like cap their spiritual growth in it, and it's just become, they may have some of that, but. 1.00

00:36:06.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:36:07.000 I find most of them cross addict in some sort of way to something else. 1.00

00:36:11.000 I mean, it's got to go somewhere. 1.00

00:36:15.000 And it's either, for me, it's either going to be spiritual or it's going to be some sort of sin.

00:36:19.000 It's almost better when you, like, see, like you worked a lot in like halfway houses and treatment centers than you, Dave.

00:36:26.000 Like, that first bit when you stop drinking and taking drugs, you've got this kind of almost, well, they call it pink cloud in a lot of the fellowships and groups, a pink cloud moment.

00:36:36.000 But like, there's a kind of euphoria.

00:36:38.000 At having been pulled out of it and that you're sort of still alive.

00:36:43.000 Do you know?

00:36:43.000 Do you remember that?

00:36:44.000 And like, so when you're working with people like that, like, and I remember it from my own for when it happened to me, there's a sort of a rawness and a liveness.

00:36:53.000 And then you think, oh, well, actually, I'm okay.

00:36:55.000 And you might drift back into, well, there's all sorts of things.

00:36:59.000 You could try drinking, and some people seem to be able to drink somewhat moderately, or obvious things, porn, food, smoking.

00:37:08.000 Like, I actually think that when you look at the literature of the 12th century, Of the 12 step programs, like the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, I'm saying, but even the 12 and 12 of Alcoholics Anonymous, what becomes clear is that the whole thing, and someone read an important section of the book, the bit where the 12 steps are described and a vision is given to you afterwards.

00:37:31.000 What becomes clear is that, to your point earlier, Joe, it ain't that we're just stopping drinking, we're stopping being the person that has to drink.

00:37:40.000 That's really what I think is happening.

00:37:42.000 And To do that, every single one of your attachments will one by one be chalked off.

00:37:49.000 Now, AA is only about alcohol, NA is only about drugs, and ad infinitum, the gambling fellowship is about that, and the debt fellowship is about that, and even the codependency and the Al Anon.

00:38:01.000 I suppose it starts to get a little bit deeper when you're talking about relationships because then you're forced to look at.

00:38:07.000 Oh, wow, I've got these unconscious expectations of every relationship.

00:38:12.000 I'm using people, I'm using them.

00:38:15.000 That person, I've given them a job to make me feel a certain way.

00:38:19.000 And if they don't do it, I'll punish them for it or I'll abandon them.

00:38:23.000 And I believe that where the program becomes truly magical is where your entry point through alcohol and alcoholism becomes the acknowledgement that you're actually continually trying to achieve states through stimulation.

00:38:41.000 Stimulation of, I have to go there every morning and do this or that.

00:38:45.000 I remember one of my mates saying, You're addicted to the cure because I was going to a bunch of 12 step meetings the whole time.

00:38:50.000 But really, what we're trying to get to, we're trying to get to a point of absolute connection to God that cannot be disrupted by any external stimulant that no one can take you out of.

00:39:01.000 And now, as a Christian, I'll say, Nothing will make you let go of Christ's hand, so people can agitate you.

00:39:07.000 A really good example of it from a non 12 step perspective is the movie Mr. Rogers, starring Tom Hanks as the Brilliant Mr. Rogers, American children's entertainer, I guess you'd call him, but also, I guess, evangelist.

00:39:20.000 There's a moment where the antagonistic reporter whose relationship with Mr. Rogers makes up most of the film is trying to push him over the edge by bringing up his difficult relationship with his son.

00:39:32.000 And you see, brilliantly acted by Tom Hanks, a moment where he sort of winces a little bit and before returning to a loving state, that Mr. Rogers was such a beautiful and successful entertainer because he.

00:39:44.000 Practiced Christianity, how Christianity should be practiced, must be practiced in the present moment.

00:39:49.000 In the present moment.

00:39:51.000 And see, I recognized the other day that money, if you, the relationship between alcohol and alcoholism can be investigated very in an interesting way through money.

00:40:02.000 Because what is money really?

00:40:05.000 What is it?

00:40:06.000 What is it that money does in your life?

00:40:09.000 How is it that money functions in your psyche?

00:40:12.000 It's power in a way.

00:40:14.000 And certainly, I can tell you what my relationship with money was, is like, I want to be left alone.

00:40:18.000 Leave me alone.

00:40:19.000 And that's what money is for me.

00:40:21.000 And because I've been poor, and I remember being around people even poorer, like drug addicts that are street homeless and are begging to get their next fix.

00:40:31.000 I would notice, my God, their poverty, it's actually eating their body.

00:40:35.000 They're so poor that they're sleeping in the street, their face, and they're like one guy had no eye and he had an amputation and he had ulcers.

00:40:43.000 And obviously those things are caused by heroin.

00:40:46.000 But if you were taking that much heroin and you were rich, you'd be able to do it in a pretty cool way.

00:40:50.000 And now I realised that for me, like not, I just had no more ability to drink or take drugs because the consequences were getting too fast, too rapid.

00:40:58.000 And now where I live is in a state where.

00:41:02.000 I've been given the tool and the language of addiction, but I recognize that it was always foundational for a deeper spiritual experience for me coming to Christ.

00:41:09.000 I'm holding up my own book because obviously I'm promoting it, but really the book I should be holding up is this one, that it moved me to a point where you have to, everything in front of you is from God.

00:41:21.000 Everything, like moment by moment. 0.62

00:41:24.000 So when you get into the coders and the Alanons, you know that that madness ain't going, that madness is like a rod and staff from Psalm 23. 0.91

00:41:33.000 You're going to be guided continually if you remain in the right state. 0.99

00:41:38.000 Like it can't do anything except get deeper and deeper, almost until there's nothing of you there.

00:41:46.000 There's not a point where you're.

00:41:48.000 I think a lot of people practice 12 step stuff until they get a nice girlfriend or boyfriend or a wife or some money or whatever.

00:41:57.000 And that's very tempting.

00:41:58.000 I know I did it.

00:41:59.000 What I did was I'll stop drinking and taking drugs until I'm famous.

00:42:02.000 And then I. Realized in the interim, oh, you can never drink or take drugs.

00:42:06.000 But what I didn't let go of was the addict mindset.

00:42:09.000 Like, I needed something to make me feel okay.

00:42:11.000 And for me, it obviously became sex for a long, long while.

00:42:14.000 And like, it's stripping it away one way, but gets subtler and subtler, don't you think?

00:42:19.000 Yeah.

00:42:20.000 I mean, I think in what Joe read was, was that's nine step promises or 10 step promises?

00:42:29.000 10 step promises.

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:31.000 I mean, at this point, when you're first going through them, when you talk about sanity and you're, you, It's sanity with regards to drinking.

00:42:39.000 You know, it's like when you're first going through it, it's just the fact that it still blows me away 25 years later that the fact that I don't like, I don't think about alcohol.

00:42:52.000 I don't, I don't have this like, I mean, it was such a solution for me for everything.

00:42:58.000 I couldn't imagine my life with alcohol or without, you know, it's like I, it blows my mind that something that was impossible to beat was just taken away just by doing these steps.

00:43:12.000 It still is pretty miraculous.

00:43:15.000 But I think when you're first going through it, it's about that.

00:43:18.000 But then, like everyone, like the girl we talked to from the driver we had at Tucker's, right?

00:43:27.000 He was in recovery.

00:43:29.000 A lot of our drivers have been in recovery.

00:43:31.000 Yeah, they're always in recovery.

00:43:33.000 It's pretty wild.

00:43:34.000 But he had a girl that just recently relapsed, and we called her up on the phone.

00:43:40.000 And really, primarily, Russell.

00:43:44.000 Push her to go to a meeting that day.

00:43:46.000 And, you know, she's been through it.

00:43:48.000 Like you could tell.

00:43:50.000 But, like with her, it's just the fact of, hey, get there, get plugged in, get a sponsor, start doing it.

00:43:59.000 Just do these basics.

00:44:00.000 Just follow some direction.

00:44:01.000 Are you willing to go through these steps?

00:44:03.000 Right.

00:44:04.000 In the beginning and then getting through them.

00:44:05.000 Then, when things return, then it's like we get distracted.

00:44:11.000 And then we start thinking, okay, I need the car, the girl, whatever it else is.

00:44:16.000 I need these external things.

00:44:18.000 Which, in a lot of cases, if they don't come for a little while, that could be a good thing.

00:44:24.000 You know, and so I think at first it is about not drinking at all, but really it's not even about getting to, for me, it's not about getting to a state that I'm like, man, the whole day I nailed it today.

00:44:38.000 Not once did I get in self, not once.

00:44:40.000 I've never had a day like that.

00:44:42.000 I always, it's not about perfection, it's about growth.

00:44:47.000 And so there's this momentum.

00:44:49.000 You know, one of the most powerful things in business is not having, You know, this killer quarter with all these cells.

00:44:57.000 It's about a team that's building momentum.

00:45:00.000 It's the most powerful thing is when you feel like you're on this momentum.

00:45:04.000 And when you're on a spiritual path and you're gaining momentum and you're growing.

00:45:09.000 I mean, that's what I think of when you do a 10th step. 0.95

00:45:14.000 I don't think of, oh shit, I didn't, another day that I didn't, you know, that I got in self or another day that, you know, I was dishonest or I whatever. 0.98

00:45:26.000 It's another day. 0.99

00:45:27.000 Instead, it's like, okay, here's how I can be better, better, better.

00:45:30.000 You know, like here's how I can be not just better.

00:45:34.000 This is how I can grow closer.

00:45:36.000 This is how I can get more free, more free, more free.

00:45:42.000 Like, guys miss that.

00:45:44.000 Like, having Jamie Winchip come down and talking about identity through self.

00:45:50.000 I mean, there wasn't, I don't think there's anything that he necessarily said that I thought, oh my God, I have no idea what he's talking about.

00:45:57.000 Some new concept.

00:46:00.000 It's still the basics in some ways, but it's a different angle.

00:46:06.000 And getting to identity through fear and looking at fears like, man, I'm excited for that.

00:46:14.000 Because I mean, it's growth.

00:46:15.000 It's growth.

00:46:15.000 I want to grow closer.

00:46:16.000 I want to get more free.

00:46:19.000 He's helped me, man.

00:46:20.000 Like, he's helped me because I had a similar experience with Jamie, or at least encounter to what you're describing, in so much as the idea that you have an identity in Christ and an identity in the world is really clever.

00:46:38.000 In a way, though, it's completely the same as addict self and recovery self.

00:46:43.000 It's the same concept, but because it's in Christ, that obviously brings it to a level of focus that's so sharp, I think.

00:46:51.000 And like when Jamie says, You know, now Jamie, interestingly, doesn't drink and went to AA 12 Steps, excuse me, for a while, but like didn't keep doing it.

00:47:01.000 And I'm always interested when someone doesn't keep doing it because I have to keep doing it.

00:47:06.000 I feel like my addiction part of me, like a mad wolf, the addiction part of me, that's from Brass Eye, so it's very sort of mad reference.

00:47:15.000 You should watch that thing.

00:47:16.000 Like the addiction part of me is so sort of like dominant, volatile, I don't know, that I need something in place all the time.

00:47:27.000 I don't think I'm always, and also I like it.

00:47:30.000 I like being around other drug addicts and alcoholics.

00:47:32.000 I like them.

00:47:34.000 I don't like them in my life, I'll tell you that.

00:47:36.000 But I like them in the rooms, and I like being kind to them and whatever. 0.99

00:47:41.000 But when they're in your life, I'm like, you're crazy, man. 1.00

00:47:44.000 I just can't take that crap. 0.98

00:47:47.000 But what I think Jamie does that's amazing is I'm almost sort of, it's weird because I don't want to do him a disservice because he's obviously brilliant and he's done something brilliant. 0.98

00:47:58.000 I already feel like, yeah, all right, like I've got this thing where I think we've talked about before.

00:48:04.000 As soon as I realize a new thing, I'm almost immediately irritated that other people don't know it.

00:48:09.000 Like, that's in that exact same second.

00:48:11.000 I'm like, this is obvious, isn't it?

00:48:12.000 Come on, why are we here?

00:48:13.000 I'm like, you didn't know this yesterday.

00:48:14.000 No, never mind all that.

00:48:15.000 Let's get on with it.

00:48:16.000 Like, now, something like your identity in Christ is so obvious.

00:48:20.000 Like, when he did that speech, which he outlines in his new book, The Worldview New Book, which we did on the show, you should check out the show on Monday if you've not seen it.

00:48:30.000 Was it Monday?

00:48:31.000 Yeah, it was Monday.

00:48:32.000 And this will be Friday.

00:48:33.000 So, yeah, check that out.

00:48:34.000 And like, when in that he talks about Harvard and giving a talk at Harvard, and now I've worked out how he does it.

00:48:41.000 He goes, Who in this room hears voices in their head telling them they're not good enough and that you're worthless and you're never going to succeed and that you're going to fail and everything's going to go wrong?

00:48:41.000 He does it like this.

00:48:52.000 And all these Harvard undergrads put their hand up and he goes, Good, right.

00:48:55.000 So, we all acknowledge that we hear voices in our head then.

00:48:58.000 Who has a voice in their head that tells them you're beautiful?

00:49:02.000 You're enough.

00:49:02.000 You're perfect.

00:49:03.000 I love you.

00:49:04.000 You're exactly as I made you to be.

00:49:06.000 You're doing so well.

00:49:07.000 No one puts their hand up.

00:49:08.000 None of us have that voice.

00:49:10.000 Now, I'd come across a comparable idea.

00:49:14.000 Myself, and it's much more fuzzy and confused to hear it is.

00:49:17.000 I was like, Come into Christ.

00:49:19.000 It's like, you know how you've always got a voice in your head that you're talking to all the time?

00:49:23.000 Well, eventually, that negative, destructive voice, eventually, that becomes Christ, and you can hear Christ talking.

00:49:29.000 And then in the end, that will be the only voice.

00:49:32.000 Like the other voice will have gone entirely.

00:49:34.000 And that's real similar to that bridegroom stuff that is at the beginning of John, when John the Baptist says, I must become lesser, he must become greater.

00:49:43.000 When the friend of the bridegroom hears the bridegroom's voice, And also, by the way, the whole time he's saying this, he's the best man at a wedding.

00:49:49.000 He's not even the groom, he's not the bride, he's not anyone.

00:49:51.000 John the Baptist put himself in a pretty humble position there for someone that our Lord says the greatest person that's ever lived.

00:49:58.000 And I started to feel like my own understanding.

00:50:01.000 So when Jamie puts it in them terms, like and said, right now, tell me all of the things that your negativity tells you. 0.99

00:50:10.000 Now, any of us that are addicts, we're black belts of that crap. 0.98

00:50:14.000 We've been doing it for a long time, we know how to talk about it. 0.99

00:50:16.000 What people are surprised at with me still to this day is that.

00:50:20.000 I'll tell you in real time what I'm feeling and like the bad things I'm feeling.

00:50:26.000 And I even did it with Jamie. 0.96

00:50:27.000 I mean, Jamie, I'm having trouble recommending you to like friends because I feel like I'm going to sort of get squeezed out and shit. 0.94

00:50:34.000 And I told him it. 0.95

00:50:35.000 And he was like, That's an unbelievable confession.

00:50:38.000 Well done.

00:50:38.000 You know, and like, so he's good at getting you to like own it.

00:50:43.000 And then I said to him, I think I get into situations where people think that it's the substance of what I'm saying is the problem. 0.73

00:50:52.000 Rather than the phenomena that I'm saying, I think people think, wow, this guy's crazy.

00:50:56.000 I'm not crazy.

00:50:57.000 I know myself so much better than you that it seems like craziness.

00:51:01.000 Like you're not in the same leagues.

00:51:03.000 And so now I'm moving into a part of it.

00:51:06.000 Like he's given me a different kind of language and a different kind of understanding of it.

00:51:12.000 And also the exercise where it's like, now who does he say you are?

00:51:17.000 And like, do you notice in that bit with Peter, by the way, when he says it, he calls him Simon at the beginning of it. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Like he says, Simon, what a fuck's up. 0.93

00:51:26.000 And then, like, he's, then Simon says, Who do you think, you know, when our Lord asked him, Who do you say I am? 0.99

00:51:32.000 He goes, You're the son of the living God.

00:51:34.000 Like, he goes, Yes, Peter.

00:51:36.000 Like, he goes, It's like, that's when you are who I made you to be.

00:51:40.000 Like, that's, and like, when me and you are communicating, Joe, I'm like, I've always can recognize that's not, that's recovery Joe, that's addict Joe, addict Joe.

00:51:40.000 Identity.

00:51:51.000 Like, but like, it's not to say that recovery Joe isn't funny.

00:51:54.000 Recovery Joe is really funny.

00:51:56.000 Like, when we like him too.

00:51:57.000 I like them both.

00:51:58.000 By the way, the addict Joe, that guy, you know, we've got to watch out for him.

00:52:03.000 Same with all of us.

00:52:04.000 The same, you know, if I run things from my.

00:52:06.000 Now, I think the problem is with like, if you get sort of successful, say, in some way, is you can build a little.

00:52:14.000 It's sort of a bubble or enclave or even a community around you where you're not called on your stuff.

00:52:21.000 And I think that's what happened.

00:52:22.000 There's so many things about these false allegations that direct me to truth.

00:52:28.000 So many things.

00:52:29.000 Like when they say enabled, right?

00:52:32.000 Enabling to do things that are not illegal is not good, but it's not a crime.

00:52:37.000 It's like, you know, you've got loads of people.

00:52:39.000 Like every famous person has that.

00:52:41.000 If you ever spent time around a famous person or maybe in a rich person or maybe even the most powerful person in your family, people won't tell your dad or whoever it is. 1.00

00:52:49.000 Just shut the fuck up, man. 1.00

00:52:50.000 That's wrong. 1.00

00:52:51.000 Like, you know, like people live in these little bubbles that no one challenges them on and they think that they're powerful.

00:52:57.000 Yeah.

00:52:58.000 But we ain't.

00:52:59.000 No, we, in counseling, we used to call it, we'd say disabling.

00:53:04.000 You know, you say you're enabling someone, we'd say you're disabling them.

00:53:08.000 For parents, a lot of times it's used as like, you know, they're giving them money or they're, you know, not punishing them when they know they're using drugs.

00:53:17.000 And we'd say you're disabling them because you're disabling them.

00:53:21.000 From having to learn lessons in life, right?

00:53:24.000 You're disabling them from growing.

00:53:28.000 We'll get disabled from growing because no one's calling us out.

00:53:32.000 We're not.

00:53:33.000 And I think for some people, it's harder than others.

00:53:36.000 I mean, I think when you've had some success, like you have Russell and stuff like that, you have to seek it out.

00:53:43.000 You got to invite it with others.

00:53:46.000 You got to put yourself, and it's not for everyone to.

00:53:49.000 I mean, you don't just open yourself up for just every random person to call you out on.

00:53:55.000 You know, your intimate stuff, but like you have to have a crew around you that feels free to call you out and say, Hey, Joe, I don't think you're doing good.

00:54:04.000 You seem like you're struggling.

00:54:05.000 You seem like you're resentful.

00:54:07.000 Are you building a resentment towards that?

00:54:09.000 Is that something you know?

00:54:11.000 I'm doing great.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:13.000 Yeah.

00:54:14.000 You do.

00:54:15.000 And I think you got to know, you have to do that.

00:54:19.000 You have to trust that the people that you're doing that with really care for you.

00:54:24.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 There's not been a lot of trust.

00:54:25.000 I'm not going to trust someone that I don't think really actually cares for me.

00:54:31.000 Yeah, it's very hard.

00:54:32.000 I'm really realizing there's a strong connection between trust and control.

00:54:36.000 You know how they say, is it in the Bitcoin world or whatever, don't trust, verify?

00:54:41.000 And for me, it's always been don't trust, control.

00:54:45.000 Like, I don't like to be in situations that I'm not in control of.

00:54:49.000 And because there aren't that many situations that I can control, I don't go into very many.

00:54:54.000 I just stay in a very particular set of situations because it's like, you can't be in control.

00:54:58.000 Like, you know, I don't like sport or dance.

00:55:01.000 There's so many things.

00:55:02.000 I'm like, I'm not going to do that because I can't be in control of it.

00:55:05.000 Just living it on like a sort of in a yeah, one square of one circle on a twister board rather than sort of go out and chant stuff because trust is hard.

00:55:16.000 You'll always, he'll always lead you, the Lord, to the very thing, to the very thing you'll be shown.

00:55:21.000 What is it?

00:55:22.000 Like, you know, it's like, oh, no, man.

00:55:24.000 That's why the same situation keeps bloody well coming up because this time, are you going to do it different this time?

00:55:29.000 No, all right.

00:55:30.000 Another five years.

00:55:31.000 You're going to do it different this time?

00:55:32.000 Another five years.

00:55:33.000 Like, in the end, it's like, are you going to let go of control?

00:55:39.000 Are you gonna let go of control?

00:55:43.000 But I, and it's weird because all of them, the step three, I'd call them type problem step three, made a decision to turn your will in your life over to the care of God as you understood God, all have this legitimacy to them.

00:55:54.000 Well, how am I gonna get anything done?

00:55:56.000 How am I gonna do this?

00:55:58.000 Okay, you know, if I don't do this, then what's gonna happen?

00:56:01.000 And I know it's, I don't quite know, and I wonder if you've got anything on this, know how to navigate divine action or sanctioned action or true identity action.

00:56:14.000 Versus action outside of, and also, you know, especially when you're an entrepreneur, especially when you own your own business, when you are the boss, like you have to make things happen.

00:56:28.000 Versus, okay, is this from God or is this me playing God?

00:56:32.000 It's very funny that my first shot at it, you know, like if you're an entertainer, you can't infantilization is diriger, like they will make you like a baby, they make you like a baby.

00:56:45.000 It's sort of like a king baby, as they would say in 12 steps.

00:56:48.000 Like, you know, people will bring you everything and do stuff and all of that.

00:56:54.000 And you sort of see it everywhere.

00:56:56.000 And it's very, it seems very legitimate because this is how it's legitimate.

00:57:02.000 If I do a thing that no one else can do, then I should spend all of my time focused on that.

00:57:10.000 Because what's the point of me cleaning the car?

00:57:12.000 What's the point of me?

00:57:14.000 What's the point of me?

00:57:15.000 Whatever it is.

00:57:16.000 Because someone else can do that.

00:57:17.000 And then I'll do more of this thing I'm good at.

00:57:19.000 There's actually a redeemed version of that, for sure, isn't there?

00:57:23.000 There's a version of it.

00:57:24.000 It's like, what's the point in you going through all these accounts?

00:57:27.000 You're not very good at accountancy.

00:57:29.000 And why, instead of that, why don't you go and write a book and we might generate some revenue?

00:57:33.000 I mean, that's a sort of a good idea.

00:57:35.000 But when it goes wrong, it becomes like, I'm not going to do anything except that.

00:57:41.000 And then it becomes very, for me, it became very, when I'm thinking about it, I sort of was also, I want to say lazy.

00:57:49.000 I've always been, in a way, a quite hard working person.

00:57:52.000 There was this George Bernard Shaw quote that I encountered quite young where it says, A true artist would rather that his mother starved and his children were sold than work at something that is not his art.

00:58:03.000 And I was thinking, I like that.

00:58:03.000 Right?

00:58:05.000 Like, you know, like you just won't do it.

00:58:07.000 But, like, you know, sort of like, so, but me, when I'm in my thing, like, you just got to go and go and go until it's done, eh?

00:58:14.000 And then sometimes I do literally crack from exhaustion.

00:58:17.000 But those kind of things can, I think, facilitate the wrong mindset.

00:58:21.000 I don't know, like, is that true of everyone?

00:58:25.000 We're all doing that.

00:58:25.000 We're all sort of like refusing to do what we're supposed to do because it's what's in front of us.

00:58:29.000 What you're supposed to do is what's in front of you.

00:58:31.000 It's very so, like, why I get like a joke is, like I said in the book, I think he's as mad as me in the way that I'm mad.

00:58:39.000 Like a sort of an intense type of madness.

00:58:42.000 So when I'm talking to Joe, like, I'm like, no, that's crazy.

00:58:46.000 Why would you do that?

00:58:47.000 And then I sort of immediately think, well, what do you do that's like that?

00:58:49.000 And I say, so if things are obviously improving, like those two qualifications are meaningful qualifications.

00:58:55.000 So I would like the HGV license.

00:58:57.000 That means Joe can drive any kind of lorry and like a truck and the CPA, CPS thing, close protection.

00:59:05.000 That's two sort of good, even in just worldliness, streams of improvement.

00:59:10.000 And I know, because I know you well, what the voice in your head was.

00:59:13.000 Will tell you about where your life is and what your life is like and where you should be and why that doesn't mean anything.

00:59:19.000 But it's momentum, Joe.

00:59:21.000 Like that's momentum, you know?

00:59:24.000 Even if you didn't even use them.

00:59:25.000 I have two degrees I don't even use at all, but like it was momentum for me.

00:59:31.000 And I think that's good.

00:59:34.000 I do think, I think of in the steps where, um, I think of where it's, I don't think you're trying to, I don't want to say this.

00:59:52.000 I don't think you're, it's about the motive.

00:59:58.000 It can be the exact same action, but the motive behind it.

01:00:01.000 Am I, it talks about this God sense is like a sixth sense.

01:00:08.000 This God consciousness is like a sixth sense.

01:00:11.000 And so, like, you could do the exact same thing.

01:00:15.000 You could, Automate out, you know, have other people doing other aspects of your job because that's not what you're good at and you're specialized, right?

01:00:24.000 It's something that few people can do.

01:00:26.000 So that's what you're going to do.

01:00:28.000 But if you're coming at a motive of, I'm not going to do that because I'm playing God in that sense, I'm refusing to do that.

01:00:35.000 I'm not doing it out of pride and ego, or I'm doing that out of faith.

01:00:43.000 I think that's the difference now.

01:00:46.000 In practice, I don't always do that.

01:00:50.000 I think you kind of know if God's directing your thinking or not, then if you're like being honest with yourself and you're having your time in the morning of prayer and everything else and doing all the other suggestions within the program, like speaking to other addicts on a daily basis, connecting with your gratitude and all that kind of stuff.

01:01:07.000 And like it says, naturally your thinking becomes more on the plane of sort of inspiration and whatnot rather than divorced from selfish and self seeking motives.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 When you're in that state, you're headed for trouble, innit?

01:01:21.000 You know?

01:01:21.000 I'm always being given fit.

01:01:22.000 I mean, I've been given my whole body, my whole life, my mind, the ability to communicate.

01:01:26.000 I mean, everything we have, that's it.

01:01:28.000 We've got the wrong mindset.

01:01:29.000 We think about life, we approach life from entirely the wrong angle.

01:01:32.000 The first time someone said to me, What do you mean, your life? 0.99

01:01:36.000 I was like, Oh, shit. 0.99

01:01:40.000 What do you mean, your time? 0.99

01:01:43.000 What do you mean?

01:01:44.000 Where did you get it?

01:01:45.000 What did you do?

01:01:47.000 Did you do something?

01:01:48.000 No, right.

01:01:49.000 Everything you've got, you've been given.

01:01:51.000 So.

01:01:51.000 Now, get on and serve.

01:01:52.000 You know, it's very, very, very, very, we are very broken.

01:01:56.000 We are very broken.

01:01:58.000 I was going to ask you, right, in regards to that reading, yeah, so we react sanely and normally and all that in terms of drink.

01:02:05.000 So, to you and Dave Russell, right, because you're, how many years are you now?

01:02:10.000 I'm 23, Dave's 25.

01:02:12.000 23 and 25. 0.98

01:02:14.000 Do you remember the last time where you looked at a drink or a drug and you thought, I fucking want that? 0.56

01:02:20.000 I really want it, but I know I can't have it. 0.78

01:02:22.000 Like, when was the last time?

01:02:24.000 How long did it take for that to go completely for you?

01:02:27.000 And do you remember the last time that you had a thought like that?

01:02:30.000 Because I remember we were talking about it the other day, which made me think of this reading when I was in Brazil and I called you Russell.

01:02:36.000 I remember cold beers in that, in them cold beers.

01:02:40.000 On that little boat.

01:02:41.000 Like, because I was just at the point of, Having done the formalities of step 10 through the book, step 11, read it, and we've done a little prayer after a meeting and that kind of stuff.

01:02:52.000 And then, you know, putting my hand up to sponsor for step 12.

01:02:56.000 And I've gone off to Brazil for six weeks, almost with a mindset of like, I've done it now.

01:03:01.000 I'm all right.

01:03:02.000 Let's see what's out there. 0.98

01:03:03.000 Maybe I'll find a wife.

01:03:05.000 Anyway, I've been out there in Rio and I was getting to meetings.

01:03:09.000 I found two English speaking meetings.

01:03:10.000 It was pretty cool.

01:03:11.000 I was having a nice time meeting people in recovery and that.

01:03:15.000 And then I've gone off on like little excursions.

01:03:17.000 I went to this town, it's a few hours away from Rio, then a place called Parachi, like an old town.

01:03:24.000 And then from there, I went out on like a little excursion to these islands called Iagrangi.

01:03:29.000 And it was the Brazilian Independence Day weekend.

01:03:33.000 So it was like party time on these islands.

01:03:35.000 And I didn't know that, right?

01:03:37.000 And no one spoke English.

01:03:39.000 Well, I think like one or two people, maybe.

01:03:41.000 And I've gone out on this boat with these people and we were out on it all day.

01:03:44.000 I thought, you're meant to do stuff like this when you're away.

01:03:47.000 So I'll do it.

01:03:48.000 But I felt so like on my own.

01:03:50.000 And like this guy was drinking these ice cold beers and he had a big box of them full of ice.

01:03:55.000 And they were like little slim cans.

01:03:57.000 I remember thinking, oh, they must be real cold in that ice, the little slim cans.

01:04:02.000 And I was just watching him sipping on them.

01:04:04.000 And then by the end of the day, where I was like gone so like within myself and not being able to connect and speak to people properly, I was thinking, he must be drunk by now.

01:04:13.000 And then I'm looking at me and he's even pissed.

01:04:15.000 And I thought, I wonder what his wife's like with him when he gets home.

01:04:18.000 Will he be drinking whiskey when he gets home?

01:04:20.000 Does she have to beg him to stop?

01:04:22.000 Why do you always do this?

01:04:23.000 Just leave it alone. 1.00

01:04:24.000 I can't fuck off. 1.00

01:04:28.000 And then I thought, I want them beers. 1.00

01:04:32.000 I got off that boat.

01:04:33.000 I rang you Russell.

01:04:34.000 I left that island.

01:04:34.000 I went back to Rio.

01:04:35.000 I rang my mates in AA.

01:04:37.000 I got straight back in and.

01:04:38.000 I didn't drink, and I've been all right ever since. 0.99

01:04:40.000 But that was when I realized fuck, man, I can't leave any of this stuff. 0.98

01:04:45.000 I need to do everything daily prayer, meditation, contact other alcoholics, get to meetings as much as I can, and be as useful as I can to other alkies. 0.99

01:04:54.000 I can't, I ain't ever going to live a normal life. 1.00

01:04:56.000 Anyway, that was the last time. 0.93

01:04:59.000 I ever really wanted to, although I knew I couldn't have it, I fucking wanted it. 0.80

01:05:05.000 I really wanted it. 0.67

01:05:06.000 You remember, Dave?

01:05:09.000 It's been a while.

01:05:11.000 To be honest, it's not like a flex or anything, like a spiritual flex of, oh, it's been a while since.

01:05:22.000 It really has.

01:05:23.000 I think some too is, I mean, like, first 10 years, I probably would have like, Certain moments, when it would begin to come up, it would start to scare me.

01:05:36.000 I remember that early on.

01:05:38.000 It's like I would start getting spiritually sick. 0.99

01:05:42.000 I would just not do the shit I needed to do. 0.98

01:05:44.000 I wanted to spend time with God, wasn't going to me, wasn't getting plugged in at all, wasn't helping anyone, and then would just get selfish. 0.99

01:05:53.000 And if I do that for a little amount of time, then all of a sudden I would have like a somewhat stronger urge or thought.

01:06:04.000 Not that I, I mean, after going through all 12, like I really did have a spiritual awakening, but I mean, like it says, I mean, we have a reprieve, which it isn't a cure, you know.

01:06:17.000 You know, you guys know that, you know, they use that for people on death row, right?

01:06:22.000 Like that's what the word reprieve is really like, you know, you're not going to die today, you know, but you're on death row.

01:06:29.000 You're, you know, it'll be maybe tomorrow.

01:06:31.000 And so we got to do these things to do a reprieve, but.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, like I've had it throughout my sobriety for sure, especially in those first years that I would have that come up.

01:06:45.000 And it would hit me at times that I would not expect it necessarily either.

01:06:49.000 I'd be feeling okay, and all of a sudden, but I wasn't doing anything spiritually.

01:06:55.000 I love altered states.

01:06:57.000 I've always loved altered states.

01:06:59.000 I still love altered states.

01:07:00.000 Sure.

01:07:01.000 This THC free CBD.

01:07:05.000 That, Ivy.

01:07:08.000 I'm still negotiating in a weird way.

01:07:12.000 I also, with me, a married man, as a father as well, I have to be very, very aware of my inclinations towards female beauty.

01:07:25.000 I have to really sort of be aware of it.

01:07:30.000 You're aware of that beauty, aren't you?

01:07:32.000 You're aware of it.

01:07:36.000 Good because two things started to happen a while ago.

01:07:38.000 One was like I started to understand in a kind of a Lazarus way flesh decays, you know.

01:07:44.000 And I also, as a father, began to see the daughter vibes of women, you know. 0.85

01:07:52.000 But like I know I could be like I'm cautious around that. 0.99

01:07:58.000 And I think it's a sort of a prudent caution because when I see Radhanath Swami, who'd been a monk all them years, shake hands with my wife, embrace me, I'm like, wow, man, they take that.

01:08:09.000 Seriously, I take it seriously.

01:08:11.000 Like, there is a dip, there is a charge, there is an energy.

01:08:14.000 It's real, it's not pretend.

01:08:17.000 When's the last time you actually saw alcohol or drugs or like had an actual.

01:08:22.000 The thing that came back when Joe asked the question was like, there's heroin, it's always heroin.

01:08:28.000 One time, I think I've told this before, I was doing something for New Musical Express, a cool magazine in the UK around music, and I was doing something for them before I got proper famous, but I was a bit famous.

01:08:38.000 And Pete Doherty out of the Libertines was very sort of cool.

01:08:42.000 Heroin addict and brilliant, brilliant musician.

01:08:44.000 I went into the toilet with him and held his spoon while he was cooking up.

01:08:50.000 The smell, the smell, I remember thinking, Oh man. 0.51

01:08:55.000 And then my mate Lucy, God rest her soul, when she would come around our house and she would have to use in our house, you know, like in our little children around in our little country cottage, she'd have to sort of pop off to the guest house and bang up.

01:09:10.000 And I like when I'm around the paraphernalia of it, like.

01:09:19.000 What I have to do more of is literally sit and be with Christ.

01:09:23.000 You know, I know you've got the rosary there, Johan.

01:09:25.000 You'd like to do the rosary.

01:09:27.000 Sometimes for me, any form of rote prayer can not be what I need.

01:09:33.000 Like, say, even I know I've memorized, as it says in our literature, I've memorized Lord's Prayer, St. Francis' Prayer, Step Three Prayer, Step Seven Prayer, and another prayer Tony Robbins gave me.

01:09:44.000 I know them by heart.

01:09:46.000 And when on a good day when I'm doing them, I feel them.

01:09:49.000 I feel like they relieve me of the bondage of self.

01:09:52.000 That I may better do thy will, take away my difficulties, that victory over them may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy love, and thy way of life.

01:10:01.000 You know, I feel it.

01:10:03.000 But, like, what I feel like, you know, see what heroin will do is unloop you from yourself, the part of yourself that's endlessly worrying and irritating to be in.

01:10:17.000 Like, that sort of feeling of a valve, like, and like, ah, and like that, man, I'll never forget that first time, man.

01:10:25.000 I'll never forget that first time of like just laying down as always on a bathroom floor and like, oh my God, this is amazing.

01:10:33.000 Why isn't everyone doing this all the time?

01:10:35.000 That's what I thought.

01:10:36.000 Why isn't everyone doing this all the time?

01:10:38.000 There's nothing better than this.

01:10:39.000 It's so comfortable, so easy.

01:10:43.000 I forget all the times it made me puke up and it never really worked and all of that and the itchiness and the kicky legs and the withdrawal and all those things.

01:10:51.000 You know, obviously, in the end, everyone stops because the consequences make you stop.

01:10:56.000 And it, like, whatever your drug, you stop because the consequences, you have to.

01:11:01.000 And all you don't, you die.

01:11:02.000 You know, like, the consequences start going like that.

01:11:05.000 It gets like a noose tightens in it.

01:11:08.000 And you're like, nah.

01:11:09.000 But otherwise, you still do it.

01:11:10.000 You know, like, but that's the one, like, just the smell, man.

01:11:14.000 The smell and the feeling of relief that's even better than sleep or dreams.

01:11:20.000 And I guess, really, what it points to, like, an arrow, Is you can't have, you can't be living in a life that's so painful for you that that's preferable.

01:11:28.000 You have to address what are these, what is this pain you're in?

01:11:33.000 That sounds really nice the way he described it, or it was making me want it.

01:11:38.000 I've never thought of it.

01:11:39.000 Think of it, I've felt that like not immediately, like heroin or alcohol or any other drug, but I get this similar response spiritually.

01:11:53.000 Just like in even think you, this is one thing I think that is good to mention about what you've you do, Russell, or we do together.

01:12:04.000 I mean, we'll confess with each other, even like we'll be somewhere and and you know, just thoughts that you're having, and we'll get back in the plane or we'll get back on the road and just being able to go, Oh man, I need to get this out and just sharing it.

01:12:22.000 Um, not even not even.

01:12:25.000 Confronting or anything like that, just putting it out there, just going, I'm getting this out of my head.

01:12:31.000 I'm not gonna rumorate on it.

01:12:36.000 But I hope we're not ending the show on a ringing endorsement for recreational heroin.

01:12:44.000 See what I was gonna say, yeah.

01:12:46.000 In like CA meetings, you men are like, do all that bit, and then like, you get everyone like feeling it, and then you go, but it's not like that today.

01:12:55.000 And then they did a little, like, everything's good today.

01:12:59.000 I'm not going to die of it.

01:13:04.000 I was obsessed with drugs before I even took them, weren't you?

01:13:07.000 I knew that they were saying about drugs.

01:13:09.000 I'm going to be a drug addict, I can tell.

01:13:11.000 Like, when I was really young, yeah.

01:13:14.000 I like the sound of all this.

01:13:15.000 This is what it's all about.

01:13:17.000 Even things that were warnings, I liked them. 0.95

01:13:19.000 Like, when the police came around and showed us drugs at school, I was like, this is fucking brilliant. 0.67

01:13:23.000 Where do I get it? 0.87

01:13:25.000 Like, there was nothing people could say to me. 0.94

01:13:28.000 That didn't make things like, you know, when like in a fag packet, they show you a picture of a fetus or dirty teeth or something. 0.94

01:13:33.000 Like, you know, with heroin, they're always trying to tell you how bad it is. 0.99

01:13:36.000 I think it sounds brilliant.

01:13:37.000 I don't know what you're all about.

01:13:39.000 I'm not interested in your counter arguments.

01:13:43.000 It's mad.

01:13:44.000 I was in the shop the other day, yeah, and I was looking at all the beers and all that.

01:13:46.000 Just that, like, you notice, don't you?

01:13:49.000 Because they're all on an end aisle.

01:13:50.000 You know, there's like promotional stuff on an end aisle, like Easter eggs or, you know, advent calendars for Christmas or whatever.

01:13:57.000 In this shop, it was all crates of beer, crates of Stella, Heineken, like, you know.

01:14:02.000 And different brands and that.

01:14:03.000 And you can get pissed out of your head for like £6. 0.99

01:14:07.000 And that video we saw earlier, mate, he's paying £6 for a fucking little box of lettuces these days. 0.99

01:14:12.000 It's mad, isn't it? 0.99

01:14:14.000 So they're managing to keep the price of beer down and spirits and whatever else.

01:14:19.000 And that matters. 1.00

01:14:20.000 That's dumb. 0.99

01:14:21.000 Yeah, that's what they want. 1.00

01:14:23.000 They want us all drugged up and drunk and arguing with one another and fighting on the streets like animals and idiots. 1.00

01:14:28.000 And sometimes that's as good as we can offer ourselves as well. 1.00

01:14:32.000 All right, well, let's wrap it up this week with.

01:14:36.000 A simple prayer that drugs actually, if you're a drug addict, you shouldn't take drugs.

01:14:40.000 If you aren't a drug addict, they're pretty good.

01:14:45.000 Same as alcohol.

01:14:47.000 Like, all right, so let's not do drugs now.

01:14:50.000 Well, thank you very much for joining us for Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell.

01:14:56.000 Thank you for that introductory music.

01:14:58.000 Remember, you lot, don't take drugs if you are a drug addict.

01:15:02.000 We will be back on Monday with a conversation with Tucker Carlson.

01:15:08.000 If you've been interested in the way that the war is unfolding and the MACA movement is fragmenting, then this is the conversation I think that will give you the most insight.

01:15:16.000 I reckon I only talk 15% of the time.

01:15:19.000 So it's going to be a different type of episode.

01:15:21.000 All right, you lot.

01:15:22.000 I love you.

01:15:23.000 See you next week for more of the same, not for more of the different.

01:15:26.000 Till then, if you can, stay free.

01:15:28.000 Say that again.

01:15:29.000 More for the same, but for more of the different.

01:15:31.000 I think you said for more of the same, not more of the different.

01:15:35.000 Either is fine.

01:15:36.000 Either is fine.

01:15:38.000 More of the same, not more of the different.

01:15:40.000 You don't want the different anymore.

01:15:41.000 You need continuity.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - April 17, 2026

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