Russell Brand is joined by Lara Logan and Neil Oliver to discuss Donald Trump's Inauguration and the withdrawal from the World Health Organization, as well as the Southport Murders in the UK, and the implications for globalism and global governance.
00:02:32.000Hello there you awakening wonders Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand and what a special episode we have for you this Thursday.
00:02:49.000It's been an extraordinary week redolent with symbology because an inauguration is about a transfer and instantiation of power.
00:02:59.000Is the signified and the signifier somehow intrinsically, authentically connected to an identifiable and objective reality?
00:03:08.000Or can we say that the symbol of a swishing sword cut in a...
00:03:12.000The cake while dancing to the YMCA is meaningless, yet the symbol of a Nazi salute is filled with meaning.
00:03:19.000We'll be talking about the inauguration as well as the WHO withdrawal by Donald Trump.
00:03:26.000And additionally, if we have time, some matters emergent from the Southport murders in the UK. Democratic crisis that has been introduced in my country, the UK, because of the way that those murders have been handled in media and the kind of cultural identity crisis that has coalesced around it right up to,
00:03:49.000I suppose, the jailing of people for posting stuff on the internet, the grooming gang crisis and the incarceration of Tommy Robinson.
00:03:57.000Joining me today and every week in this new Oracle series, which will make up our...
00:04:02.000Precious and beloved Thursday show are, my friends...
00:04:06.000And allies and fantastic reporters, Lara Logan and Neil Oliver.
00:04:11.000If you don't know about Lara Logan, she's an incredibly brave and brilliant reporter who made her name and her bones working inside Legacy Media and now does a great deal of incredible work in the field of human trafficking.
00:05:44.000Is this a positive step forward for America?
00:05:47.000Or does this indeed place the world's vulnerable and the health of Americans and the health of people around the world in jeopardy?
00:05:55.000Is this, do you think, an endorsement, an early endorsement of the Trump administration?
00:06:00.000Or do you think this is an indicator of a malign administration?
00:06:06.000This is an administration that's carrying out its promises, and it's doing it from day one, right?
00:06:11.000I mean, Trump said on the campaign trail that he was going to withdraw from WHO. You know, last time around, he withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord.
00:06:18.000He was looking at the United Nations very closely.
00:06:20.000It really marks the era of Trump doing something that Americans, millions of Americans have wondered about for a long time.
00:06:29.000Like, why are you a member of a group?
00:06:32.000That every chance they get, they stand up and say how awful you are.
00:06:52.000However, what's different with the WHO is COVID, right?
00:06:56.000Because you can make arguments, and I grew up, I was born and raised in Africa, so, you know, I know that there are Africans who are part of these programs and supposedly benefit from this, although never seen any improvement in the standard of living or the health of any of these countries where the WHO operates in practice, right?
00:07:15.000So I'm not sure how much good it does, but this is a kind of safety net, or so we believe.
00:07:21.000However, what happened with the WHO during COVID was that they really led this march on the world that was based on one lie after another.
00:07:32.000And what you saw, COVID brought into clear focus this clash between global governance and global organizations.
00:07:42.000And the individual rights and freedoms of sovereign nations and sovereign individuals.
00:07:47.000You know, I mean, Europe was ready to toss the Nuremberg Code out the window.
00:07:50.000It's like, oh, goodbye, Joseph Megler.
00:07:52.000Goodbye, you know, Nazi Holocaust and all the rest of it.
00:07:56.000We don't care about the Nuremberg Code anymore.
00:07:58.000It's time to talk about forced vaccinations.
00:08:00.000Well, you know, the Nuremberg Code was implemented specifically to prevent you from being forced to do something medically.
00:08:07.000But in the United States, you have a Bill of Rights, you know, and you have a constitution.
00:08:12.000And people are not just going to go along with that.
00:08:14.000They're not going to indefinitely suspend their liberties and then, by the way, sign on to a treaty that says that the WHO, the next time there's a pandemic, is going to be in charge.
00:08:25.000So really, I think it was the mass murder and harming of people all over the world that brought this issue of global governance into focus.
00:08:38.000I have to say, me personally, I'm one of those people that says the WHO could go, you know, they can get knotted.
00:08:44.000And you're going to have to come up with some other system, a better system, to help people across the world than one that is profoundly dishonest and, quite frankly, tyrannical, and then harming people.
00:09:01.000Trump emphasised in the withdrawal the economic aspect of the United States' relationship with the WHO, that their contributions significantly outweigh, for example, that of China, while America, of course, represent a smaller population.
00:09:18.000Neil, do you consider this to be an economic or ideological withdrawal?
00:09:22.000And what do you imagine its impact to be?
00:09:31.000on this board are so slippery that I would need to wait and see what actually happens and how the words manifest themselves in the days and weeks and months ahead.
00:09:46.000Trump's America has previously withdrawn funding from the WHO but money then went more directly to To Bill and Gates, I can't remember whether it was the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation or whether it was Gavi,
00:10:01.000but money was redirected so that it seemed to have left where people didn't want to see it, but it still ended up in a connected destination, Bill Gates or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation being amongst the biggest private funders of the WHO. I would need to see what actually happens.
00:10:21.000When I say slippery, the WHO were pushing the The pandemic preparedness treaty, which they were trying to get, you know, every, you know, every functioning country on earth to, you know, to accept.
00:10:36.000Then that garnered the kind of headlines that became a bit problematic for the WHO. Perhaps it went a bit into the long grass and then lo and behold, it resurfaced in the United Nations in New York with talk of the Pact for the Future and so on.
00:10:52.000So something that had seemed to be You know, kicked away or pushed down by popular displeasure, then resurfaced somewhere else.
00:11:04.000I would need to see what it actually means.
00:11:08.000I would very much like to see the World Health Organization cease to be.
00:11:13.000I think it's a malign presence and I don't want it funded by anyone.
00:11:19.000I don't want it having any authority anywhere.
00:11:22.000And if Donald Trump means it when he says that, you know, he, for his part, is going to withdraw everything from them, then good.
00:11:29.000But I would need to see in the weeks ahead how that actually shapes up.
00:11:37.000Wildly offer opinions without observing information, and it's certainly not a position that I generally take.
00:11:43.000I suppose the only thing around which we would have consensus, the three of us, is that the WHO could be regarded as a malign influence on global health, which is an extraordinary verdict to achieve consensus around, given the nature and name of the organisation.
00:11:59.000But we have accumulatively so much information on what...
00:12:03.000Their agenda appears to be that it's difficult to remain optimistic, and it's Trump's opposition to globalism that forms at least a significant part of his popularity, and I would say power, but I'm...
00:12:15.000The reason I'm so grateful to both of you and for the complexity and nuance that you bring to your opinions always on all of the subjects that we've discussed over the years is because this isn't a simple matter of the kind of neo-liberal left bad and compliant acolytes of a globalist agenda and MAGA populists.
00:12:39.000And it's interesting to bring in here Whitney Webb's take on this subject.
00:12:44.000To be fair, Trump also left the WHO in mid-2020, says Whitney Webb, a brilliant journalist, and then redirected what was once WHO funding to the Gates-funded Gavi Vaccine Alliance that Neil just mentioned.
00:12:56.000While leaving the WHO is positive, says Webb, it's not the slam-dunk summer advertising, especially considering Gates' recent comments on Trump's enthusiasm for his vaccine innovation proposals.
00:13:07.000I get called a lot of names, says Webb, for pointing this sort of stuff out.
00:13:11.000But remembering what happened last time is important and often instructive about the present, especially when few people in media are inclined to point these things out.
00:13:18.000She says that in response to Brett Weinstein's post congratulating Trump for his withdrawal.
00:13:38.000It feels to me as though we're circling a black hole.
00:13:46.000There's some hard to see, unfocused entity of centralisation.
00:13:55.000That is at the heart of things in the way that a black hole is supposed to be somewhere in the universe, a sort of universal attractor.
00:14:02.000And we are all of us kind of orbiting around the, you know, the event horizon, you know, one, you know, always being pulled into it and things are being distorted.
00:14:11.000And the wonderful, you know, Whitney Webb there, you know, what she's pointing out, almost certainly what she's saying there is where I got, you know, my information from that I said in my first response to your question.
00:14:27.000There always feels to me now like we're all moving, whether we want to or not, whether even Trump wants to or not, whether Robert Kennedy Jr wants to or not.
00:14:38.000We're being pulled by something centralising.
00:14:42.000And I think it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, even for somebody with the thrust of an Elon Musk.
00:14:49.000Or the thrust of a Donald Trump to break free of that almost irresistible gravity of the black hole.
00:14:56.000I'm sure for some of them, there's genuine intent.
00:14:58.000You know, there's a genuine will and a desire.
00:15:01.000I mean, you said that Trump was anti-globalist.
00:15:04.000And I'm sure in some ways, some parts of his DNA are, because I think he's very much a, you know, he's a game player.
00:15:43.000Hailing, as she does from South Africa, you know, there's another excellent South African of my acquaintance, Nick Hudson, you know, and he has come up with this idea of Hudson's razor, where he says that if something is being pushed as a global crisis requiring only a global solution,
00:16:04.000you know, a one-size-fits-all solution issuing from a central point, and if, as the third criterion, Any opposition to that, any challenge to that is brutally suppressed.
00:16:17.000Hudson's razor says that that's a scam.
00:16:52.000Hey, OK, I'm sorry to interrupt you both.
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00:17:26.000If Hudson's razor is real, Neil, you should use it to trim your beard, he said.
00:17:37.000Lara, Neil makes so many good points there and uses such alluring and instructive imagery, the word thrust being particularly Potent image called upon by Neil, because it's almost as if some sort of priapic urgency is required from the members of the Trump administration to...
00:18:00.000Pull away from the yawning and appealing vortex of globalism.
00:18:05.000But if indeed such magnetic powers as Trump, Musk et al, with the mandate they appear to have, and it's that mandate you alluded to when we discussed even the legislation of the first 48 hours, which is all we're really able to...
00:18:21.000You know, discuss, diagnose or determine.
00:18:24.000We've already seen what appears to be an attempt to pull away from globalism.
00:18:29.000Yet Webb and Neil there point out that it's a little more complicated than that.
00:18:34.000And I wonder if you are concerned about some of the things that Bill Gates has been saying about vaccine programs.
00:18:40.000And indeed, what about this new cancer vaccine that was being discussed just yesterday?
00:18:47.000Are you troubled by things like that, Lara, when you see, and not to mention the new sort of AI program that appears to have enormous surveillance capacity?
00:18:57.000How do we reconcile the positive things that we're seeing, the release of, I don't know, Albrecht and, you know, there's plenty of positive things.
00:19:08.000I would say the withdrawal from the WHO is a positive thing with what appear to be, gosh, I don't want to say salutes.
00:20:06.000It's not some vortex that we have no power or control over.
00:20:10.000What you're actually describing is that there are very powerful people and institutions who have set up a system and a society that is pulling us in that direction and has been doing that for a very long time and stopping it.
00:20:24.000It's going to take a monumental effort.
00:20:26.000And it's not so simple as, you know, Republican versus Democrat, you know, Labour versus Conservative, because the reality is that Labour and Conservative, Republican and Democrat, they're all involved in forcing us into a global power structure.
00:22:38.000Go to the Midwest of the United States and see the towns and cities that I've seen that have just absolutely sunk into poverty when they moved manufacturing overseas.
00:22:48.000So maybe there's people in India and China who've got more jobs now.
00:22:52.000But they took those jobs from somewhere.
00:22:54.000So, you know, we've been deceived over and over and over.
00:22:58.000And this is a fight that's been going on for a long time.
00:23:01.000It's nothing new for people to want to control the world or to have absolute power.
00:23:05.000But we are in a moment now where I worry that if you say, oh, there's a force pushing us there, that people will think they can't do anything about it.
00:23:39.000So when I see all of this, it's tempting with social media to jump in there and throw your voice, you know, get your voice out there, throw your hat in the ring and be outraged and do this and that.
00:23:48.000But those are the moments when I take pause and I think about what are they really playing at here?
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00:25:34.000Well, it sounds like what you're anticipating is a kind of AI cold war of mutually assured destruction, that if your enemy is going to be utilizing this technology, then everyone has to.
00:25:46.000And in a sense, that absolves everyone of moral responsibility.
00:25:49.000What I'd like to sort of contemplate when it comes to the idea of outsourcing jobs and the economic impact of such is that what is really urgently required is a...
00:26:00.000A metric that transcends that dynamic that we don't look at our roles primarily as cogs in a machine.
00:26:13.000The problem of the arguments of the last century were perhaps that both sides use economic vernacular to determine their ideology.
00:26:21.000Whether it was Marx saying that industrialization had tyrannized the population or capitalism saying that economies could liberate the population.
00:26:31.000What I believe we're experiencing through this revival, this revival that's concomitant with the many Evil forces that Neil alludes to in his vortex analogy and that you rally us to oppose, quite rightly, Boudicca of South Africa, that you are, warrior woman.
00:26:49.000It does indeed have to be opposed, but my concern would be that it can't be opposed simply using forces that are contained within that paradigm, i.e.
00:27:01.000Whether that's sort of MAGA nationalism or this peculiar new form of empire that we call globalism, perhaps precisely because the term is anodyne enough for us to be distracted.
00:27:14.000From the fact that, as you say, there's always been the pursuit of global power.
00:27:18.000But we'll leave that particular aspect of the subject, the World Health Organization, as an avatar for globalist power and Trump's withdrawal from it as a demonstration that nationalism is one of the most obvious ways to oppose globalism.
00:27:32.000In fact, it's just packed into the terminology, isn't it?
00:27:35.000It's kind of obvious that nationalism would be a response to globalism.
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00:28:04.000Here's an extract from our conversation yesterday with Nathan Finocchio.
00:28:09.000Have a look at this. - There's three books that have changed my life, I was on a bit of a demythologization quest in my 20s, and there's sort of two camps in Christian theology, particularly in the study of the Old Testament.
00:28:35.000One is explaining the supernatural in sort of a...
00:28:48.000No, it was just phenomenological to the narrator.
00:28:51.000You know, his world was flooding, but the actual world didn't flood.
00:28:54.000And this is sort of, these are the modern questions, so that Christians don't feel like idiots when they're conversing with people of science who think that the supernatural is insane.
00:29:07.000Heiser has pushed back on that, and he's like, no, no, everything, the talking snake, all of the miracles, I think that that's real.
00:29:17.000And beyond that, we're living in a supernatural world, and if you believe in a guy who came back from the dead, and he could walk on water and make people's limbs grow back, then what's your problem with the sun standing still?
00:29:30.000And that actually puts you in the seat of the intended audience.
00:29:34.000People that were reading the book of Genesis believed that such things could happen and did happen.
00:29:40.000And so, to be a better reader of Scripture...
00:29:43.000I should believe, like you said, like the trash cans can talk and that the trees are alive and the world, you know, kind of like in a Tolkien sense where, you know, the world is just so, it's more supernatural than we realize.
00:29:57.000And everything is a miracle and it's sort of more exciting.
00:30:00.000And I reckon that that's the way to read scripture.
00:30:50.000And what can we determine from the angle of Elon Musk's right hand?
00:30:55.000The media is going into apoplexy and spasms around this moment of Elon Musk.
00:31:01.000Did he do a Nazi salute or did he not do a Nazi salute?
00:31:04.000And look at all of these other people apparently holding their hands at the same angle, whether it's Taylor Swift or Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton.
00:31:12.000All of us have been guilty at some time or another of holding our hand at that angle.
00:31:17.000Now, I want to go to you first here, Neil.
00:31:22.000Neil, why is it that we're continually reaching for meaning?
00:31:27.000AOC, for example, was genuinely, I think, incensed by that angle.
00:31:32.000And I will say that, like I said on my show earlier, that's a crazy thing for Elon Musk to do by accident.
00:31:39.000And I genuinely sort of feel like it was an expression of excitement from a man with perhaps unusual skills.
00:34:42.000So I step back at that point, and I look at it strategically.
00:34:47.000And what we have is a return to the Nazi narrative.
00:34:51.000But more than that, what you've already seen from before the election and afterwards is that we're in the age of information warfare, fifth generation warfare, and one of the main narratives is designed to separate Trump from Elon Musk.
00:35:13.000It did much more than just give, you know, supporters of Trump a home.
00:35:16.000It broke information dominance in a very powerful way.
00:35:21.000So up until that moment, when you have legacy and traditional media, and then you have, you know, what you had in, for example, in 2020, when Facebook canceled Candace Owens.
00:35:33.000They had a deal with Verizon and AT&T and whatever, with the email companies, the phone companies, and they all canceled her.
00:35:40.000So she couldn't even reach the million-plus supporters she had through text and email.
00:35:45.000These people colluded to silence people.
00:35:47.000So when they owned, whether it's Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and X, plus you own the email companies, you own the text companies, the phone companies, and you have traditional media, You have information dominance.
00:36:06.000And that has been so powerful for them.
00:36:08.000But when Musk took over Twitter, that ended in the biggest way.
00:36:14.000And then he exposed the censorship of the Twitter files and everything else.
00:36:17.000So there's no question that Elon Musk is a powerful force right now.
00:36:23.000He has a power that no other politician has.
00:36:26.000And they just don't, except for Donald Trump.
00:38:40.000They're vying for power, just like Al-Qaeda is fighting ISIS and this one and that one for power of the Islamic movement.
00:38:46.000These people, whether they're, you know, the Nazis or the Marxists, they're all fighting each other because when you dig the surface, they don't believe in freedom of speech.
00:38:54.000They don't believe in freedom of religion.
00:38:56.000They don't believe in individual liberty.
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00:40:01.000Those are not my opinions, I'm just supposing.
00:40:31.000There's constantly an ever refreshing performance on the stage, you know, and the rest of us are just in the auditorium watching, distracted, you know, being shocked by this plot change and this scene change and, you know, and this dramatic effect and this flashing light.
00:40:49.000And, you know, and what's happening now, I don't know, it seems to me the whole theatre of the inauguration, I was watching it in just sort of bewildered awe.
00:41:04.000The new president of the United States doing the YMCA. I mean, Nazi salutes from the, or purported Nazi salutes.
00:41:12.000I just didn't know which way to look next.
00:41:15.000And it feels like being on the waltzers or the merry-go-round and the guys that are the fair hands, just spinning everything faster and faster and faster, keeping everybody dizzy.
00:41:30.000You know, in the face of all the dreary stuff like the state of economies, the Ponzi scheme that is currencies, the quadrillions of debt, you know, the necessity to perpetuate war here, there and everywhere in order to keep the military industrial complex running.
00:42:33.000I'm not suggesting that we do in some detail examine the spat between Harry and Murdoch, but if you were to pull that, you would look at old media institutional power versus old collapsing monarchical power and how that's playing out even in an attempt to retain, as you said, attention in a manageable space.
00:42:54.000But, you know, recently I had this rather spiritual, if you...
00:42:58.000If you want my opinion, epiphany that if God is an all-encompassing, all-powerful creator of all reality, then his signature would be present like DNA, an identifiable hallmark in every moment.
00:43:16.000A different sort of presence entered my consciousness, which appears to be accessible, if not all the time, more frequently.
00:43:22.000And in any moment, it seems to me, Lara and Neil, you can identify deeper truths that are somehow embedded in a single gesture or communicative exchange in the same way as that you could take a single cell from either one of us and were the science available and surely the science of God is limitless, you could recreate us in our entirety.
00:43:44.000If there's a point to God at all, it's as an aspatial and atemporal being that can be antithetical to this nihilistic vortex that you earlier described, Neil, a dark and demonic or perhaps a light and luciferian force that...
00:44:01.000It brings about and charges our lower nature for a long time.
00:44:07.000I've had conversations with each of you separately about my belief that there needs to be a re-engagement of ulterior spiritual power, particularly the power of the cross and Christ Jesus, if we are to oppose these forces that you continually describe.
00:44:21.000Although the theology that I'm, of course, referring to doesn't indicate but plainly states that...
00:44:30.000Christ himself will resolve these issues and all we need to do is be prepared for that.
00:44:36.000I mean, but I don't want to park myself in indolence and hopelessness, irrelevant and redundant.
00:44:44.000I know that from my faith in him, works will unfold.
00:44:49.000That because I believe in him and because I believe he will return, is returning, is present now in this moment, I will...
00:44:57.000In accordance with that, I will become beautiful in his name and by his grace, not by my merit.
00:45:05.000I suppose I mention this just so that amidst all the giddiness of the ceremonies that you've described, Neil, it seems significant to me that two moments that we've not yet touched upon are the fact that a Bible is there at all is an indication that there's a requirement for an authority that goes beyond human power.
00:45:26.000And the fact that there is the prayer morning, and that the prayer morning created, once again, cultural controversy, as the clergy person, Bishop, um...
00:45:39.000Errol, Errol, Errol, something like that.
00:46:02.000It's reporting that I've seen that many of the executive orders already signed are in alignment with specific decrees in Project 2025, which is undergirded by the Heritage Think Tank, which even in the article that I read was called a kind of conservative think tank.
00:46:20.000But it's a Christian think tank is really what it is.
00:46:24.000And I wonder, Lara, what you think is the significance and importance of Christianity and Christ.
00:46:32.000Why these ceremonies refer to Christianity and Christ?
00:46:37.000We are now apparently experiencing some kind of revival of interest in Christianity.
00:46:44.000And what you think is the significance of Christianity and Christ in particular, now that...
00:46:53.000Wherever you stand in this argument, this is an enormous shift.
00:46:57.000We're now not in, we've seen now Biden's ludicrous pardons.
00:47:02.000Ludicrous pardons, which again is of course a reappropriation of the concept of forgiveness and the idea that one can wipe the slate clean, that there is some sacrament or covenant that could cleanse a person.
00:47:14.000You preemptively can even deploy that for Fauci and the J6 committee.
00:47:23.000This shift in power, because now, those guys, and I really appreciate you saying before, Lara, that a power as nefarious and insidious and ingenious as that which we're describing is, of course, finding forms of expression.
00:47:36.000A significant example of that being an attempt to separate Musk and Trump, because if you have a Musk-Trump alliance, you have an albeit flawed conduit for continual free speech, at very least.
00:47:50.000How do you think, Christianity will evolve, how opposition will evolve in the light of the inauguration.
00:47:59.000Why is it significant that there has to be reference to Christian power in particular in these ceremonies, both in terms of the prayer breakfast and the controversy there and the Bible hovering?
00:48:11.000Because even though these are somewhat trivial issues, like I said before, Neil, the threads of them surely lead to some deeper truth.
00:48:33.000Having grown up outside of the United States and now being a citizen and having lived here for a long time, my children born here and so on, I have learned about something that I never understood from a distance, which is that...
00:48:47.000When you go back to the Constitution and the papers, you know, the writings of the Founding Fathers, the thing that makes America different from all the other nations on Earth is that it was founded on a covenant with God.
00:49:01.000So that's not something that people in Europe or Africa typically understand.
00:49:06.000It's not built, that covenant with God is not built into the fabric of the literal founding of the country.
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00:51:11.000So it's not just the founding of the country.
00:51:15.000If you go back and you look at the war against the British, what you will see is that the colonies, the 13 colonies, where did they organize?
00:51:26.000What was the foundation of the resistance against the British Empire?
00:51:30.000And against the crown, you know, which was the greatest power on earth at the time.
00:51:38.000And if you read the letters of the 13 colonies, you see how heavily they relied on that.
00:51:44.000So in the United States, not across the world, not something that people across the world can relate to, necessarily, or even understand, in the United States, the founding of this country is 100% You know, inseparable from Judeo-Christian values and from this covenant with God.
00:52:03.000And in fact, the taking of this country from the British, it came out of that.
00:52:08.000And so what happened was that those people who didn't take this experiment very seriously, right, those people from, you know, around the world who looked at this and thought that the colonies didn't stand a chance, they then looked at this again after The defeat of the British and what did they try to do over the next hundred years?
00:52:29.000There's historical evidence that shows How they tried to infiltrate the churches.
00:52:43.000Well, because you raised both the founding of America, why that hand on the Bible is there, in the inauguration ceremony, and then this pastor, this bishop, at the prayer breakfast, who stood there and lectured the president, as if he doesn't know exactly what the deal is with illegal immigration, and took a very Very selective political line.
00:53:02.000But that was interesting because in recent times, in America, there's been a push towards secularism, right?
00:53:59.000I can tell you having lived in Iraq and Afghanistan and traveled all over the Middle East and Central Asia and many other places, including most, you know, a lot of Islamic countries, they don't have that kind of freedom there, okay?
00:54:45.000And when I was in this village, where it was written in the history books that Jesus had walked those streets and all the rest of it, it was newly liberated from ISIS. And I was, I mean, they were still in control of Mosul at the time, which was, I mean, you could see it right there.
00:54:59.000You could see the enemy lines and, you know, all of that was still happening.
00:55:58.000And then when I went to the mosque, after that, the first mosque, Wasn't built in that town where Jesus did walk the streets until roughly 600 years after the first church.
00:56:14.000So for 600 years, there wasn't a mosque there.
00:56:17.000And I'm only, I raise this to you for this idea, is that This idea that somehow, if you stand up for Judeo-Christian values, and you stand up for God, now means the death of all other religions, and you're an evil, terrible person, and you're forcing your identity on someone.
00:57:23.000Why would you believe in evil but you wouldn't believe in good?
00:57:26.000You know, those are the kind of questions that you start to ask yourself.
00:57:29.000And by the way, you know, the satanic church in America is currently suing the Supreme Court for the right to perform satanic ritual abortions in the United States.
00:57:39.000So if you want to say this is conspiracy, go to the Supreme Court docket and listen to the words of the satanic church that thinks that they have a right.
00:57:56.000If it's true, if that's true, I really want to see the receipts for that.
00:57:59.000Let's pull that up, because if the Supreme Court are currently reviewing whether the Satanic Church have the right to perform ritual abortions, okay, yeah, no, but just even the fact that such a concept would exist would fascinate me.
00:58:11.000But even before you'd said that, there was a great deal to unpack, Neil.
00:58:15.000I can't imagine that you are in a better position than you were when I stopped speaking to tackle what seems to be a pretty broad area, but I do know you, Neil.
00:58:23.000I know you're to be a brilliantly capable man with an extraordinarily illustrious mind.
00:58:27.000So make what you can of what both Lara and I have said, sir.
00:58:33.000I think it encourages a thinking person to go in search of simplicity in a sense.
00:58:43.000Quite early on in our conversation between the three of us, Lara, you said, you know, I had said something about the centrifugal force and you wanted quite rightly to say that Not too high!
01:00:52.000It invites nothing less than all of us looking on when we see something like a get out of jail free card being handed to Anthony Fauci and all of the rest to think that the law is just something that powerful people have as a gift.
01:02:13.000Because otherwise it will be utilised in exactly the way you're describing.
01:02:19.000Unless it is a transcendent yet imminent God.
01:02:22.000How will it not be subject to utility, Neil?
01:02:25.000It's really, I mean, it is important, I think.
01:02:29.000It's important, it's simple, it's easy to grasp this stuff.
01:02:32.000You know, statute, legislation, the stuff that parliaments or Congress, these documents that they write, these millions of pages of legislation that they come up with and empower themselves to pass, are just so much confetti in the wind.
01:04:59.000I mean, I'm still trying my best to be me and I still want attention and I still want power because I'm fallen and broken and desperate and silly.
01:05:09.000It's the recognition that when you accept Christ as man, the perfect life, perfectly lived, the perfect sacrifice to show that maximal power is the maximal power to sacrifice yourself for the common good.
01:05:20.000The very thing on the altar of the present in this moment, in your mind, Neil, Lara, me, all of us watching this, there is the aperture.
01:05:31.000Of consciousness, and there is the apex of the interaction between apparently external stimuli and the reception of that stimuli.
01:05:41.000Now, if on that altar you place your personal urgency and your desire, then you have...
01:05:52.000And if you actually, if you refute that, if you repent and take yourself off the altar, the self and what the self wants, and I'm not suggesting that I'm capable of doing that alone.
01:06:01.000In fact, I'm telling you that I'm not.
01:06:02.000And in this moment, I'm not even sure if I'm saying this now because it's Russell wants attention, Russell wants to get his point across, or because Russell resolutely believes in Christ Jesus.
01:06:11.000But it's only by accepting the transubstantiation of focusing on him in the present that you can overcome your own Russellness.
01:06:21.000And surely overcoming Russellness is an objective to be pursued.
01:07:24.000And it's very important to watch, as an example, an outgoing president letting people away with murder in order to realise that we do not live in a lawful society.
01:09:45.000And thank God, because they throw so much ambiguity at it.
01:09:50.000They throw so much crap in the air that we're actually spent a few minutes discussing Elon Musk's hand gestures, which was, you know, it's like a waste of time.
01:09:59.000You might as well suck your brain out.
01:10:04.000I think it's also, I mean, Russell, I think it's also, it's eminently, you know, useful, I think, to remember that when it comes to Jesus, that, you know, Jesus made plain when he turned up to begin his mission, when he began to speak as an adult man.
01:10:26.000He said, I've not come to write the law.
01:10:30.000I've just come to remind everybody that the law is the law and that you're not obeying it.
01:10:36.000You know, he was pointing his fingers at the Pharisees in particular, upon whom he heaped a program.
01:11:25.000Sacrifice has to be played out relationally.
01:11:28.000Through the triune God, the inauguration of the Holy Spirit, through Christ, we're provided with the cartilage between the deity and the material.
01:11:39.000Now, I just want to say that when you said, wrote upon the water, and when you said, Lara, about light, the very first words of the great book, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
01:11:49.000Now, I suppose the only difference or differentiation that I'm trying to refer to is the idea that...
01:12:16.000For law to be, there has to be a principle behind it.
01:12:21.000And we were so close to C.S. Lewis's definition of the presence of Christ in mere Christianity that it seems impolite not to at least reference it, that his own argument...
01:12:32.000From atheism to Christ Jesus was predicated on his own visceral knowledge of right and wrong that all of us know when we have violated that law.
01:12:49.000And I just suppose that we're not really querying.
01:12:54.000Or quarrelling over anything, really, as long as we all arrive, it appears that we're all arriving roughly the same place.
01:13:00.000And I just want to say, as we bring this to conclusion, that...
01:13:03.000I'm actually very happy with how this has gone.
01:13:05.000I've really, really enjoyed it because even when we talked about quite tabloid and scintillating stuff like the hand gestures and the hovering above the Bible, that we did manage to find our way to why it was indicative of a deeper truth.
01:13:21.000Because even I think when we're fascinated by something that's ludicrously profane and overtly pornographic, we're dealing with something.
01:13:51.000And I suppose what I wanted to celebrate or at least acknowledge was that from...
01:13:59.000Covering these topics about the WHO and covering matters around the inauguration and the constant reference to something sacred or at least an unimpeachable or irrefutable or absolute power.
01:14:14.000And I'm really grateful that we got the opportunity to look at stuff as practical as tactics to separate Musk and Trump being part of an ongoing globalist agenda, as well as through Whitney Webb's work that we looked at briefly, recognising that there are no human powers that are going to independently deliver us.
01:14:48.000And I think when you said that, Laura, about like, you know, that we have to resist the vortex and you saying that, Neil, that gravity does precisely that, it reminds us of our individual agency.
01:15:00.000Because otherwise we live in this terrible age, as you referred to earlier, Neil, of, you know, the age of commentary, the chattering classes, chattering.
01:15:08.000And it's sort of it's like suddenly we become dreadfully inactive.
01:15:12.000And one of the reasons that I enjoy our conversation is because I know how active you are, in particular, Laura, around the child trafficking issues.
01:15:20.000And Neil, I know how you live the principles of the soil and the symbol through your, let's face it, very Celtic interpretation and therefore pagan interpretation of meaning itself.
01:15:36.000And I'm just very grateful to both of you for joining me today.
01:15:39.000I hope that you'll both agree to join me next week for another Oracle episode where we will discuss whatever issues are defining the never-ending carnival world as we are, as Neil alluded to in one of these many great metaphors over the course of this conversation, perhaps while being...
01:15:57.000Giddyingly and dizzyingly distracted from what we ought to be focused on.
01:16:02.000Lara, thank you so much for joining us today.
01:16:38.000I just feel that this conversation, I was obviously a part of this conversation, but hopefully I was listening more than I was talking.
01:16:47.000And I just hope it's encouraging for people to see that what we all have to try and do.
01:16:54.000After all this time, is to sort of fumble and feel our way towards the right way to say, to express these thoughts, to articulate these ideas, because it hasn't been fashionable for centuries, really, to openly be in this territory.
01:17:13.000You know, and if people listening felt that any one of us or all of us at different moments, you know, sort of lost our train of thought and it became confusing.
01:17:22.000It's because we are finding our way into it.
01:17:29.000You know, we're trying to find a way to the truth.
01:17:31.000You know, and the truth on the one hand is very simple, but it has been so obfuscated and buried and we're so distracted from looking at it and understanding that each one of us holds it in our hearts without having to be told.
01:17:43.000To be reminded of that is profound and it's a bumpy road to get to it.
01:17:49.000Neil and Lara, you're both so beautiful.
01:17:52.000I find it impossible to declare which of you I'm more in love with.